Domain: caldera.com
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Re:Wait a minute...
Honest mistake. You simply failed to ask the right questions before making your purchase. If anybody else has questions about the SCO Source licensing program - any questions at all - you can simply use this handy online form to ask.
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Wait a minute...
SCO is dead!? I just bought a new SCO Source license yesterday for $699! Why wasn't I told about this sooner? Thanks a lot, guys.
Anyway, I'm still glad I have the peace of mind of fully licensing all of SCO's Unix intellectual property within my installation of Ubuntu. If you'd like this peace of mind, buy today at:
http://www.caldera.com/scosource/
Now does anyone know where I can purchase a rock that wards off tigers? -
Teabaggers
http://www.caldera.com/images/execs/McBride34.jpg
Where's the license fee troll? -
SCOX-like Arrogance.
SCOX made a similar claim against IBM...
Limitations of Linux Before IBM's Involvement
82. Linux started as a hobby project of a 19-year old student. Linux has evolved through bits and pieces of various contributions by numerous software developers using single processor computers. Virtually none of these software developers and hobbyists had access to enterprise-scale equipment and testing facilities for Linux development. Without access to such equipment, facilities, sophisticated methods, concepts and coordinated know-how, it would be difficult or impossible for the Linux development community to create a grade of Linux adequate for enterprise use.
83. As long as the Linux development process remained uncoordinated and random, it posed little or no threat to SCO, or to other UNIX vendors, for at least two major reasons: (a) Linux quality was inadequate since it was not developed and tested in coordination for enterprise use and (b) enterprise customer acceptance was non-existent because Linux was viewed by enterprise customers as a "fringe" software product.
84. Prior to IBM's involvement, Linux was the software equivalent of a bicycle. UNIX was the software equivalent of a luxury car. To make Linux of necessary quality for use by enterprise customers, it must be re-designed so that Linux also becomes the software equivalent of a luxury car. This re-design is not technologically feasible or even possible at the enterprise level without (1) a high degree of design coordination, (2) access to expensive and sophisticated design and testing equipment; (3) access to UNIX code, methods and concepts; (4) UNIX architectural experience; and (5) a very significant financial investment. -
Re:When did this stop being standard?
Who doesn't use bash?
Short answer: Everything that isn't Linux.
Long answer:
FreeBSD defaults to sh.
OpenBSD defaults to (pd)ksh.
NetBSD defaults to csh, although this can be changed to sh or ksh at install time.
Solaris defaults to sh.
AIX defaults to ksh.
HP-UX defaults to the OSF POSIX shell (whatever that is).
SCO Unixware and OpenServer default to the NewKorn (aka ksh-93) Shell.
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FALSE! HP and MySQL are ''GOLD'' sponsors
of the SCO conference... see http://www.caldera.com/2006forum/index_flash.html and click on 'Sponsors'. So at the very least, MySQL AB is sponsoring SCO's conference
Quote from TFA:
> To draw Unix developers back into its embrace, SCO is offering cash incentives for
> developers to attend its upcoming user group conference in Las Vegas in August.
Quote from promotional materials for the above user group conference:
> SCO and MySQL AB have teamed to create the ideal applications platform SMB and
> replicated/branch enterprise computing environments. With SCO and MySQL, you gain the
> competitive advantages offered by both open standards and open source.
MySQL AB is listed as a 'Gold' sponsor and the preceding is the copy for that placement. -
Re:My Bad - Mysql and HP are NOT SCO sponsors!
I stand corrected: Again, MYSQL and HP are NOT Sponsors of SCO's laughable ploy, and probably have nothing whatsoever (or as little as possible) to do with SCO.
Bullshit. Google for SCO Forum 2006. Click the "sponsors" link. Read that HP is a Platinum Sponsor and MySQL AB is a Gold Sponsor. Now, that may mean $10 and $5 respectively, but you can bet your butt they're letting SCO use their names in the advertising.
Your idea of "as little as possible" covers a whole lot more than mine.
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Re:What a waste
Here you go. Just click on the "Sponsors" tab.
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Is it a parody?Real or not, this is absolutely SCO's website. Look at the whois.
Domain ID:D1704028-LROR
Domain Name:OPENLINUX.ORG
Created On:03-Aug-1998 04:00:00 UTC
Last Updated On:10-Nov-2004 04:47:01 UTC
Expiration Date:02-Aug-2006 04:00:00 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Dotster, Inc. (R34-LROR)
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:DOTR-00936995
Registrant Name:Domain Administrator
Registrant Organization:The SCO Group
Registrant Street1:355 S 520 W
Registrant Street2:Suite 100
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Lindon
Registrant State/Province:UT
Registrant Postal Code:84042
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.8019325800
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant ******************@sco.com
Admin ID:DOTC-03050361
Admin Name:Domain Administrator
Admin Organization:The SCO Group
Admin Street1:355 S 520 W
Admin Street2:Suite 100
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Lindon
Admin State/Province:UT
Admin Postal Code:84042
Admin Country:US
Admin Phone:+1.8019325800
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin ******************@sco.com
Tech ID:DOTC-03050361
Tech Name:Domain Administrator
Tech Organization:The SCO Group
Tech Street1:355 S 520 W
Tech Street2:Suite 100
Tech Street3:
Tech City:Lindon
Tech State/Province:UT
Tech Postal Code:84042
Tech Country:US
Tech Phone:+1.8019325800
Tech Phone Ext.:
Tech FAX:
Tech FAX Ext.:
Tech ******************@sco.com
Name Server:NS.CALDERASYSTEMS.COM
Name Server:NS2.CALDERASYSTEMS.COM
Caldera nameservers and everything. So this is not a parody site. If this press release isn't real, it's only because SCO got hacked. Which is, y'know, a possibility. Weirdly enough, if you go to the IP address that openlinux.org currently points to (thus stripping away the openlinux.org site's virtual server), you get.. a page saying nothing but "FSI INF". "FSI INF"? WTF?
Meanwhile it is awfully suspicious that caldera.com says nothing about this that I can see. Is there any evidence this "press release" has been... you know... released to the press? Or is it just a page on a website? -
1. Shoot self in foot. 2. ???. 3. Profit!!!
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in the beginning there was sco!In the beginning there was SCO. From all the linux2.4XX kernel source this snippet.
"This document describes the implementation of a simple SMP
Linux kernel extension and how to use this to develop SMP Linux kernels for architectures other than the Intel MP v1.1 architecture for Pentium and 486 processors.
Alan Cox, 1995
The author wishes to thank Caldera Inc. http://www.caldera.com/ whose donation of an ASUS dual Pentium board made this project possible, and Thomas Radke, whose initial work on multiprocessor Linux formed the backbone of this project."
I would say that sco had a great deal to do with starting Linux on the road to server heaven...Somehow they got bit by the Penguins big time trying to shit on Microsoft in the first place. The fact that Al Cox and Thomas Radke had big help from SCO in 1995 is overlooked by many in the Linux community. I think this is why they turned to Microsoft for financial help, the price for that help was all the legal nonsense. Given that Bush has appointed Meyers to the supreme court I would not be at all suprised if in 2007 SCO wins. The sooner Linux is gone the faster Microsoft can gain control over the internet. That is their thinking, and they have the Government behind them. So all and all it is one hell of a good time to become a tech lawyer.
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A SCO sponsor?
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Re:How about a stable ABI?
The ABI doesn't matter all that much to you, even if you have to compile code yourself and use the prescribed compiler version. This is important when you are programming assembly, which you have already ruled out with your comment.
In case you actually want to learn something new have a look at this:
http://www.caldera.com/developers/devspecs/
or this to get an overview:
http://www.linuxassembly.org/
You may have figured out by now that ABI means Application Binary Interface (How come you didn't write about it in the article?). As a user you run into trouble mainly when two compilers have to live together on one system, and they support a different ABI.
See here for an example:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/04/msg 00153.html
While all those changes may seem a nuisance to you, this may just be the thing some people are willing to accept to get some benefits out of not having to carry along the remnants of a legacy architecture.
If that's not what you want then Windows may just be the thing for you. To say that Linux developers have failed is maybe a sign of a somewhat overboarding sense of self-importance. Don't forget, that those people frequently write the code for fun or to scratch an itch, if they are happy they certainly haven't failed. -
Re:Manual hacker attacks
The sco server I maintain doesn't even have tunefs, but online I found:
http://docsrv.sco.com/cgi-bin/man/man?tunefs+1M
http://ou800doc.caldera.com/en/man/html.1M/tunefs. 1M.html
I think sco doesn't use the filesystem in question anymore. (They use vxfs now.) -
Re:File size - business perspective2GB files don't seem so rare today, but remember that until now, openserver was based on SVR3.2.... which was somewhere between 1986 and 1988 (the openserver name was apparantly applied in 1992).
Back in the SVR3.2 days, 2GB must have seemed like an unimaginably large file. Afterall, hard disk drives topped out at about 80 megs back in those days.
Now, admittedly, openserver 5.0.7 was released somewhere in 2002... providing much needed drivers for modern hardware, and of course bundling lots of open-source software.
Now they've finally gone and provided large file capability, loadable kernel modules, and other "new" stuff.
Hey, at least they're not Microsoft, who'd call them "innovations".
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Re:I've been waiting for this!
Moreover, I don't have to give the litigious bastards (Apple, of course) any of my dough!
I thought that was SCO's trademark. -
Re:Yet more proof
The funny thing is, the campaign didn't just googlebomb the phrase "litigious bastards" - it even bombed the word litigious by itself.
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Why is this news
SCO has supported open source products in their Unix for years skunkware. I don't see what is news here at all.
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Suggestion:
Start here.
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Re:This is WAR!
Enderle seems to have picked his side
Is there a question?
The guy gave a keynote speach at SCO forum titled "Free Software and the Idiots Who Buy it". He states that "Steve Ballmer invested a great deal in our company on my word"
You can change seems to is. -
Re:I hear quite abit about SCO
The Original SCO was known as The Santa Cruz Operation. They created the first x86 Unix called Xenix. In 1995 they obtain some sort of licensing from Novell. In 1998, they announced Project Monterey with IBM. They are now know as Tarantella but most of the business was sold to Cadera.
The SCO Group started as Cadera Systems and was split off from Novell in 1994. They were a Linux Distributor and was involved in the devolopement of the Red Hat Package Manager. In 2001 they acquire most of SCO includig rights to use the name. In 2002, Ransom Love leaves as CEO and Daryl McBride is named the new CEO. Later the name is changed from Caldera to the SCO Group, SCO for short. 2003 The IBM lawsuit is launched. SCO produces ever more ridiculous PR pieces. Eventually the mainstream press catches on that SCO is full of it (and I don't mean Information Technology).
Most of this available as a timeline from SCO -
Re:How about...
That is far too specific for a patent anyway.
There are plenty of people who deserve a kick in the nuts.
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Right SCO - my point still stands.Ummm, that's a rather curious timeline. It's also apparently mistaken. According to Caldera's own website it was:
2002 Caldera changes its name to The SCO Group (SCO), returning to the SCO brand.
2003 SCO Files Lawsuit Against IBMMy point still stands, despite your curious error in this matter; this is the second time that SCO (or the owners of the so-called "brand" name) have partnered with Microsoft to bring a lawsuit in order to stifle competition in the UNIX area.
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And let's not forget....
Darryl McBride, who with his 19 years of executive management and leadership experience, singlehandedly led the formerly faltering SCO to develop a state of the art product like Linux.
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Re:Paul Thurrott's review
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Re:Well ...ahem... lest we forget. Caldera may be downgraded to irrelevant imaging software now, but once upon a time they were a !RedHat Linux distro. Caldera kept themselves from being irrelevant by... aww, who am I kidding.
Besides, you can't actually expect fiaSCO to run a cash register OS for a web server, can you?
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Re:This may just be me...
Free? It's a $699 value.
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Re:I hate to be picky... but....
Does this help?
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Remember the licenses?
Hope they didn't forget the $6.4 million startup cost and $2.2 million annual fee for linux licenses (assuming 8 CPU systems).
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And ofcourse,no halloween would be complete without a Darryl McBride mask.
Just don't forget to wear a bullet proof vest when you venture out.
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Re:Please Open Your Eyes
I think some stupid web site will generate some sympathy.
Talking about the website,
I tried it in both Firefox & IE. In firefox, the
"Roll mouse over timeline icons to see summary of each document." doesn't work.
Is this a problem with the website or with Firefox?
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Re:Fraud?Indeed. In fact, from SCO's own mouthpiece:
Sounds like IBM's partial summary judgement would go a long way towards dispelling this favorite crank of SCO's.
4. As set forth in more detail below, IBM has breached its own obligations to SCO, induced and encouraged others to breach their obligations to SCO, interfered with SCO's business, and engaged in unfair competition with SCO, including by
a) misusing and misappropriating SCO's proprietary software;
b) inducing, encouraging, and enabling others to misuse and misappropriate SCO's proprietary software; and
c) incorporating (and inducing, encouraging, and enabling others to incorporate) SCO's proprietary software into open source software offerings.
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Hmmm lets see...
Fraud (n)
1) A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair or unlawful gain.
Hmm , now given 2 companies , IBM and SCO ... and given the evidence - who do we think the dictionary definition of fraudulant bastards best describes ?
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Artists against SCO scm unite
keep the site opened, for reading purposes of course
:)
http://www.caldera.com/ibmlawsuit/
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Sales Call!
Anyone else notice that they offer a link on their site to request a sales call. Where do we start? Have them try and sell licenses to known spammers? Request a sales call of the judges working on the SCO cases? Maybe just get a sales person to call each of us so we can inquire about linux licenses.
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Re:Even if they offer a "download"They still do. They've got a datasheet right here that lists many of the features that they are now bitching about.
- Linux 2.4 Kernel - The new Linux 2.4 kernel is a key component of the OpenLinux Server product. The Linux 2.4 kernel provides significantly improved hardware support for new hardware devices, improved SMP scalability, larger memory support (up to 64 GB of RAM), faster I/O performance, and many other performance boosting enhancements.
- Permission and Service Audits - Files and services have been audited and updated to give them appropriate access permissions and running privileges that reduce security risks.
Errmmm, so you've audited the system for security, yet somehow didn't notice your own products showing up in it. Uh, yeah.. That sounds reasonable. -
Fucking lawyers!The guy who's suing is a complete ass who couldn't argue himself out of a paper bag. What a retard, for wanting to sue people who call him names! I think he's a pussy, plain and simple. Hey wise guy, go ahead and suck on THIS! Let's see you take me to court, you pansy!
Sincerely,
Darl McBride
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Re:SCO Community Forum?
Here's the website for the event. It looks kinda pathetic, with a lame 007 theme. There definitely is a dirge of anything at all of substance on that page. It all seems so sad.
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A Google Bomb is in order
I can't stand the guy. Check out this steaming load if you havn't had the displeasure of seeing his mug. He stands for, and looks like, everything I am against. It is too bad that steaming load in Google points to William Shatner (understandable). It would be great if steaming load were to point to that guy. I mean, look at him. Breathing through his mouth. What a frat boy. If anyone was worried about what SCO was doing,and how it pertains to Linux, have no fear, because it really is that simple. Darl is a shithead and a frat boy and a simpleton. He only got where he was because he starches his shirts, golfs, knows how to glad hand and back slap, laugh disingenuously, and do all those other things required of executives in America.
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A Google Bomb is in order
I can't stand the guy. Check out this steaming load if you havn't had the displeasure of seeing his mug. He stands for, and looks like, everything I am against. It is too bad that steaming load in Google points to William Shatner (understandable). It would be great if steaming load were to point to that guy. I mean, look at him. Breathing through his mouth. What a frat boy. If anyone was worried about what SCO was doing,and how it pertains to Linux, have no fear, because it really is that simple. Darl is a shithead and a frat boy and a simpleton. He only got where he was because he starches his shirts, golfs, knows how to glad hand and back slap, laugh disingenuously, and do all those other things required of executives in America.
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A Google Bomb is in order
I can't stand the guy. Check out this steaming load if you havn't had the displeasure of seeing his mug. He stands for, and looks like, everything I am against. It is too bad that steaming load in Google points to William Shatner (understandable). It would be great if steaming load were to point to that guy. I mean, look at him. Breathing through his mouth. What a frat boy. If anyone was worried about what SCO was doing,and how it pertains to Linux, have no fear, because it really is that simple. Darl is a shithead and a frat boy and a simpleton. He only got where he was because he starches his shirts, golfs, knows how to glad hand and back slap, laugh disingenuously, and do all those other things required of executives in America.
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Re:The neverending sagaYes, but at least most of those B movies had a random naked woman tossed in for variety.
SCO has those too.
OK, they're not naked, but it's a joke, OK?
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Link to SysV ABI (ELF) at Caldera
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Re:Webmin is nice
Remember that SCO has contributed to webmin. Using webmin obviously means that you are violating their IP rights and will be sued for $1b per day of infringement. Of course you likely were already violating their IP rights by using the Linux kernel, java, and if you use RedHat, rpm.
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Re:Bad name
You forgot the link:
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Re:One of Brown's misrepresentations
Bear in mind that this is not the same company. The company formerly known as The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. is now known as Tarantella Inc. The company now known as Litigious Bastards oops I mean The SCO Group, Inc. is what used to be not Litigious Bastards I mean Caldera Systems Inc.
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his source of information...
Government investment in open source development will accelerate innovation. However, increased investment should be in true open source, open source without any stipulations, other than attribution and copyright notification, not hybrid source.
"Hybrid source code" is a phrase coined by former Tocqueville Chairman Gregory Fossedal. The term refers to any product with a license that attempts to mix free and proprietary source code at the same time.
Gee, I wonder where he gets his information. Obviously this is a verifiable source of unbiased journalistic excellence! -
I'm annoyed.
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Uh Oh.
Now these guys will want a piece of the action.
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Re:Not PC, but: Intergraph==SCO, Intel==IBM
The tone of your message makes me suspect that you have a large position in SCOX and believe press releases from SCOX instead of well researched facts on Groklaw; for all I know you may work for SCOX.No interest in SCO, no interest in Intergraph, no interest in Intel, and no interest in IBM [although I worked there briefly about seven years ago, and, for the record, hated every second of every minute of every hour I spent on IBM premises, and hated the very thought of going to work every day].
Just somebody who follows the news.
And perhaps I should emphasize that my comments had nothing to do with the Torvalds-ish aspects of the SCO litigation [other than to have referenced the fact that Richard Stallman is a marxist whose goal is the abolition of private property rights]. Rather, I commented on PROJECT MONTEREY, which was a joint IBM/SCO project to design a next generation x86-ish/IA64-ish/UNIX-ish operating system out of IBM's AIX and SCO's UnixWare.
IBM had no expertise in writing Unix on x86, SCO had tons of expertise in writing Unix on x86, so IBM called in SCO:
IBM inks Unix pact with SCO
IBM proceeded to rape and pillage SCO's intellectual property portfolio, plant a knife squarely in SCO's back, twist the knife sadistically, sprinkle a little salt in the wound for good measure, and walk out the door with a big shit-eating grin on its face:
Story last modified October 26, 1998, 1:25 PM PSTThe new version of Unix, code-named Monterey, will merge with parts of IBM's Unix operating system (called AIX), some of SCO's UnixWare (a popular version of Unix for small businesses), and a bit of Sequent's PTX technology. The OS will run on Intel's 32-bit and upcoming 64-bit processors as well as IBM's Power family of chips. It's expected to reach the market in about 18 months, around the time when Merced is due.
COMPLAINT
Everytime you read about SCO and IBM, repeat to yourself: Project Monterey, PROJECT MONTEREY, PROJECT MONTEREY!!! If IBM hadn't screwed SCO in Project Monterey, i.e. if a viable [which is to say, sellable] product had emerged from Monterey, there'd be no SCO litigation.54. By about May 2001, all technical aspects of Project Monterey had been substantially completed. The only remaining tasks of Project Monterey involved marketing and branding tasks to be performed substantially by IBM.
55. On or about May 2001, IBM notified plaintiff that it refused to proceed with Project Monterey, and that IBM considered Project Monterey to be "dead." In fact, in violation of its obligations to SCO, IBM chose to use and appropriate for its own business the proprietary information obtained from SCO.
http://www.caldera.com/scosource/complaint3.06.03
. htmlUPDATE: CRN Interview: SCO CEO Defends $1 Billion Lawsuit Against IBM
2:57 PM EST Thurs., Apr. 24, 2003CRN: How much of this stems from Project Monterey? [Project Monterey was a joint venture between IBM, Intel and SCO to produce a Unix-based cross-platform operating system.]
McBride: IBM walked away from Project Monterey, and they told us if we didn't like it, sue us. That took two years out of our life. IBM took chunks out of Monterey, and gave it away. You can find it in Red Hat and SuSE Linux. When IBM pulled out of Monterey, they did it concurrently with moving over to Linux. The heat has been turning up on this for some time.
http://www.crn.com/Components/printArticle.asp?Ar
t icleID=41480Instead, however, IBM threw SCO to the wolves.