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> "First off all many Arab nations and people question the existence of Israel, that doesn't mean they want to nuke the entire country and kill all of its citizens, it just means they don't recognize Israel as a legitimate state. Kind of like the U.S. doesn't really recognize Palestine as a legitimate state."

It should be mentioned that none of the countries in Western Europe recognize the Palestinian state, nor does Canada or Mexico.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine

Also, the Arab non-recognition of Israel is not like the US (or European or Canadian) non-recognition of Palestine.

For example: During the Clinton administration, the US offered the Palestinians $30 billion dollars in part of a deal to broker peace between Israel and Palestine. The US is going out of it's way to broker peace deals. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/776477/US-offered-30-billion-PLO-says.html

On the other hand, Iran's Khamenei said Israel is a "cancerous tumor that should be cut and will be cut" and "From now on, in any place, if any nation or any group confronts the Zionist regime, we will endorse and we will help. We have no fear expressing this," said Khamenei.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9059179/Iran-We-will-help-cut-out-the-cancer-of-Israel.html

Israel's neighbors have also invaded Israel several times.

From that perspective, the US non-recognition of Palestine is just a sticky diplomatic point for US conservatives, so people don't touch it. The Arab non-recognition of Israel is because they would like to wipe it off the face of the earth.

Of course, I'm not arguing that we should invade or bomb Iran. I'm just pointing out the reality of the situation.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705397726/State-officials-grant-use-of-water-for-N-plant-in-Green-River.html

Used media has always been a legitimate business as has used software. If there is really only one user with one installed copy, the gaming companies need to have a big mug of STFU. Games are crazy expensive anyway. It's a wonder that they sell any copies at the original MSRP.

Here's link to Garth Brooks and his anti-used CD crusade:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/304702/GARTH-BROOKS-HASNT-THROWN-IN-THE-HAT-ON-USED-CD-CONTROVERSY.html

They're not about to open up a Skype phonebook and say "I want to call Ookokook", the trainer would has to do everything and then hold it up for them.

Especially since Ookokook unfriended him on Facebook....

You're right, they need constant supervision with the tablets, they are not allowed to even hold the tablets. Imo it sounds much like the great revellation that Orangutans enjoy watching TV last year.

I was also taken aback by the sight of the primates penned up in such small cages - it looked worse than the cages used in Rise Of the Planet Of The Apes.

> Someone will have to pry my Jarts out of my cold dead brain.

FTFY

One of the main proponents of X-Ray scanners, former Bush-Era Homeland Security Secretary Michael "Jackoff" Chertoff, the man who apparently was too deaf or STUPID to hear and see the hundreds of American citizens trapped in a shopping center in New Orleans, is well-connected to the manufacturers of the body scanners.

So when Bush fell asleep on 9/11 he was not only proving for the nth time in his life that he's a useless fuckoff who shouldn't be trusted to watch grass grow, let alone the security of a nation, he was also serving a valuable function to his well-connected toadies in providing a fear-based marketing system to screw the public out of all kinds of money in the guise of making us safe.

Heckuva job, Bush!

How many governing parties all over the world (on national and state level, where applicable) would rather that AGW wasn't true? For example here are the Utah republicans.

So how do you get funding if you think you have something which would show that AGW wasn't happening, or would be offset by some other effect, or just global warming but not anthropogenic? Apply for research money from the state.

And if due to some bizarre conspiracy that's not possible in your state - try in any other industrialized country of the world.

Can you provide citations for this statement?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705355601/Homeland-Security-Secretary-Michael-Chertoff-benefiting-from-scanner-sales.html

These machines remind me of a revolving door.

Can you provide citations for this statement?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705355601/Homeland-Security-Secretary-Michael-Chertoff-benefiting-from-scanner-sales.html

Looks like this guy is making burgers from garbage since 1993.

Care to explain to me exactly HOW Am I supposedly trolling? Are newborn children not currently being found to have plastics in their bloodstream from their first breath of life? Why I believe that is a yes. In fact it looks as if plastics may even be causing liver damage in preemies.

Now would YOU care to show me those long term peer reviewed studies on the massive electrical smog we are currently blanketed in NOT paid for by a company that makes devices that would be harmed if anything bad was found? because frankly all I have seen is studies bought and paid for by the cell phone handset manufacturers with if you believe they will be fair and impartial you probably believed MSFT's get the facts and Mohave campaigns.

If there is one thing I have learned it is the USA government is MASSIVELY CORRUPT full stop. That is why we have superfund sites, why the government has repeatedly covered up the misdeeds of corps (hell they even covered up a contractor in Afghanistan selling 9 year old boys for fuck toys to get a contract! How fucking corrupt do you got to be to sign off on THAT?) so frankly if the government told me it was raining outside I'd want a second opinion. You believe them if you want, but you might want to look up a little thing known as "frakking" which is being given the green light by the current government. So what if the water smells funny or catches on fire right? The government is protecting you!

First I have heard of it as well. I suppose John Inglish wasn't making money fast enough so UTA decided to have a payment system so we can deposit money directly into his personal account. But this would explain the 25% rise in fares.

Some background on UTA and Utahs public transportation system for those that live outside of Utah:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700025866/UTA-executive-John-Inglishs-salary-is-top-among-public-transportation-executives.html

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51490724-76/2013-base-fare-fares.html.csp

That the number of deaths due to nuclear power is zero is not actually true. There are deaths due to typical mining activities, but also many people died due to radiation exposure. Think about it... miners trapped down in an inclosed space breathing air full of radon and uranium for 10 hours a day. It's not a healthy way to live. Not to mention that the waste produced from the mining laced all the water downstream of them with uranium (in the article). The number of deaths due to coal is much, much higher, but nuclear power is not without it's own particular form of nastiness.

Speaking as a longtime resident who has lived long periods in 2 other states and one other country (all of which I liked, by the way), Utah does seem like utopia sometimes. I understand our unemployment to be lower than most (http://www.deptofnumbers.com/unemployment/utah/), our state government is very well-managed (recent award: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/695258427/Utahs-No-1-for-governing.html), the mountains are *beautiful*, the people are friendly (I think so, Carlos Boozer thinks so: http://www.deseretnews.com/mobile/article/700108270/Utah-Jazz-Carlos-Boozer-returns-as-member-of-Bulls.html, people are always thanking the bus drivers, I'm sure you can find someone who doesn't think so), and my personal opinion is that so many things are done ... sensibly. Yes, there is good & bad everywhere, but I for one really like where I live.

Speaking as a longtime resident who has lived long periods in 2 other states and one other country (all of which I liked, by the way), Utah does seem like utopia sometimes. I understand our unemployment to be lower than most (http://www.deptofnumbers.com/unemployment/utah/), our state government is very well-managed (recent award: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/695258427/Utahs-No-1-for-governing.html), the mountains are *beautiful*, the people are friendly (I think so, Carlos Boozer thinks so: http://www.deseretnews.com/mobile/article/700108270/Utah-Jazz-Carlos-Boozer-returns-as-member-of-Bulls.html, people are always thanking the bus drivers, I'm sure you can find someone who doesn't think so), and my personal opinion is that so many things are done ... sensibly. Yes, there is good & bad everywhere, but I for one really like where I live.

(offtopic) It made sense for this guy: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/414175/INMATE-SUES-HIMSELF-FOR-5-MILLION.html

Really? Americans sold them fully automatic AKs and hand grenades?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mmBw3uzPnJI/TDL6TdwOQuI/AAAAAAABaVU/B1QMkH2PuQw/s1600/weapons_of_mexican_drug_cartel_17.jpg
http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/874557.jpg

Those RPG's came from the US?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mmBw3uzPnJI/TDL5zWaiA5I/AAAAAAABaT0/cpJghwohg9c/s1600/weapons_of_mexican_drug_cartel_29.jpg
http://ppjg.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/picture5.jpg

That M60 was probably made in the US, but sure as fuck didn't come to cartel hands thru Texas!
http://stylemens.typepad.com/details__details/images/2008/11/17/power10.jpg

M1919 wow!
http://img.breitbart.com/images/2009/4/14/ap-p/9d90422f-c905-457a-8e1a-3f3d9f401f9f.jpg

The argument that all those firearms comes from the US is a red herring from Mexico to place blame on the US, which anti-gunners, the media, and power-hungry politicians latched onto like rabid dogs.

On one hand you have South America which has been at the center of cold-war proxy wars for decades with all kinds of ordanance.... on the other hand, maybe cartels prefer semi-auto rifles and revolvers for twice the price?

Think critically some time.

Besides, where the hell do you get something like THIS in the US?
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Mexican-Drug-Lord-Guns-Diamonds-5.jpg

Even a microwave oven, but it's weird it's lasting exactly 2 hours. Maybe some of your neighbours has some household "experiment" running (fusion reactor anyone?) Arrange this with your neighbours: each one of you tries channel 1, 6 and 12, just to check that it affects all frequencies or just one. Another thing you could try: get a directional antenna to try to find the source of the interference (if you point it towards the interference source you should get few or none aps when passively scanning -with kismet for example). Taking into account you have like 2 hours, you can triangulate an approximate location.

Unfortunately, you can't use the number of people who "spoke up" as evidence of public outcry because there's probably just as many who didn't speak up in their agreement because it's rather "uncool" to tweet cheers to such a tweet. I'd say it's far less acceptable to tweet something like: "Good! He deserved it!" than it is to tweet: "That's terrible."

What makes you think it's "far less acceptable to tweet something like: "Good! He deserved it!"" ?

The newspapers are reporting that after the execution, a victim's grandaughter said
"... I just feel like justice has finally been served. He deserved it."

FFS, Google "He deserved it" + "Ronnie Lee Gardner"
/I tried searching twitter, but all I get are people talking about the World Cup.

How about someone who's meds have run (Is it a crime to forget to take your meds on a long trip?) out and they experience a psychotic breakdown. Wife calls 911, to get help in calming him down. 42 seconds after the officer arrives on the scene the Tazer is deployed on this innocent man, who granted in his delirium had stripped naked. A second jolt is administered as he's lying incapacitated on the ground.

This resulted in his death. No crime had been committed, mental illness is not a crime. Yet this family is now without a husband and father.

No crime, but still a death by Taser. This happened last year in Utah.

Link

I’ve been scammed before, so I know. No, PayPal didn’t make the seller prove that he’d mailed the item (I never received it). Could they have done more? Probably. Was it their fault? No more than it was mine.

Aside, I was somewhat pleased when googling the little shit’s name (Mitchell Fillmore) turned up this article.

Not that I agree with the bill, but I suppose I could be considered one of those militant constitutional crusaders from Utah.

I believe the argument is somewhere along the lines of, "Criminals give up their rights, including the right to keep the state out of their business, when they commit a crime." I doubt you'd find too many people who disagree with this line of reasoning. However, there is that probable cause thing that makes legislation like this confusing to me.

On the other hand, law abiding citizens do expect the government to stay out their business. This holds true for a range of issues, be it health care, perceived land grabs for environmental protection (link), gun control, etc.

Not saying I agree with all aspects of where this reasoning goes, but you asked how these positions are rationalized.

what happens when the chip identifies humanity as a virus?

Well, if you're keeping up on the news via Slashdot you'll find out about the destruction of mankind sometime around three months after the fact.

Ah Slashdot, one of the few places where the phrase "new news" isn't redundant and "old news" isn't clichéd.

"Darl McBride, chief executive of SCO Group Inc., says he sometimes carries a gun because his enemies are out to kill him. He checks into hotels under assumed names. An armed body guard protected him at Harvard Law School when he gave a speech last month."

So, did he ever get use that gun against the people who terminated him, I wonder?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,595047068,00.html?pg=1

This comes just weeks after Microsoft announces they're opening a center less than a mile from there. Coincidence? I'm not so sure that Novell is the big winner here.

By the way... the Sonny Bono who promoted laws for eternal protection of copyright failed miserably. His estate is now suing UMG for royalties they claim to be robbed of.

So even the great extensionator himself isn't seeing any benefit from the tyranny he imposed on us all.

"This one is different and much more troubling, since it harms not just our company, but also damages the systems and productivity of a large number of other companies and organizations around the world. The perpetrator of this virus is attacking SCO, but hurting many others at the same time"

"There are computers with incorrect clock settings that may already be firing off an attack," against SCO's site"

Curiously enough SCOs site was hit before the virus was set to trigger and a company Centershift based in the same co-location facility was hit at the same time and/or were having contemporaneous problems with the same hosting company. And iirc the DNS record for www.sco.com briefly disappeared at the time.

I think you are mostly correct in that Mormons weren't the only influence for MS higher ups to drop the pub. However, I don't doubt this guy's story at all. LDS leaders and organized groups in their religion are always trying to establish their religious beliefs as the law of the land. Screw the Constitution I guess, unless it benefits them.

Just look at the California gay marriage issue:

• The Mormon Church Is Leading the Fight Against Gay Marriage in California
• Some Mormon faithful dismayed by church's all-out anti-gay campaign for Prop. 8
• LDS Church expresses disappointment in California gay marriage decision.

Note this is people in Idaho and Utah trying to influence an election in California. I can tell you, if people in California tried to influence an election or legislation in Utah, they'd be going apeshit about it. For the next 10, or perhaps 100 years they'd be whining and complaining to anyone who'd listen that people in California were trying to persecute and oppress them.

I live in Idaho,and just last week, I heard an offensive ad on the radio denouncing some stimulus bill because it relaxes the number of alcohol permits. I wonder who paid for this ad? The ad was claiming alcohol causes "crime" and all sorts absurd crap. Methinks the US has just as many religious zealots as they do in the Middle East. If someone doesn't believe in religious freedom, what are they doing in this country?

LDS Church officials, GOP leaders discuss upcoming legislative session

Hmm...???

How about...

Lawmakers, LDS Church brainstorm

...that?

There's more... and it has occurred at the beginning of every legislative session for decades, regardless of the demographic of the state legislature. Do your research.

LDS Church officials, GOP leaders discuss upcoming legislative session

Hmm...???

How about...

Lawmakers, LDS Church brainstorm

...that?

There's more... and it has occurred at the beginning of every legislative session for decades, regardless of the demographic of the state legislature. Do your research.

If fetuses are living humans, how 'come we don't prosecute women who miscarry naturally? Wouldn't that at least be manslaughter?

Funny you should mention that... http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,595048573,00.html?pg=1 (not mentioned in all the hearsay in the article about her "fear of being scarred": her previous child was delivered by c-section)

Charges coming in Davis County over nude photos

"It's out there and it's happening," Dunn said. "It's felonies, potentially federal felonies, and kids are clueless. They think that because the person is across the room and you're sending it across the room that it isn't a big deal. It's not the case."

These kids could end up on the sex-offender registry, which would further deflate its usefulness and also deny a whole host of opportunities from these kids. What they did amounts to "show me yours, I'll show you mine" in my opinion -- but our culture is so wrapped up in sex offender mania that we're conflating rapists with innocent behavior.

When we bought our house close to the University of Utah, we looked on the state's sex offender registry and were alarmed by all the incidents around. After drilling down to specific cases, however, it turns out that most of them were of the drunken-college-student variety. Now, when I hear that someone is a "sex offender", I'm not certain if they are a violent rapist, or if they took a dare to run down the block naked.

You seem to be under the impression I am advocating coal

No, I don't have the impression you're pro coal. I do think you're pro nuclear power, wanting to build more power plants "with only a few thousand nuclear plants, eventually, powering the US" .

Environmental impact of energy production comes from the waste emissions

Environmental impacts also come from mining as well as pre and post processing solid waste.

That's where nuclear becomes a very attractive option.

Uranium mining can be very dirty and destructive. "Uranium mining left a legacy of death". The Navajo have had to live with it. "Navajos won't allow uranium mining"[pdf]. Throughout the world it's mostly Indigenous peoples who carry the burden of uranium mining. "Indigeneous Peoples Call for Global Ban on Uranium Mining".

when we're redirecting enough solar energy to electricity that we start losing vegetation?

Any vegetation effected by solar power, PVs or concentrated, will only be where the concentrators or PVs are.

Nuclear, on the other hand, won't still the tides, it won't slow the winds, it doesn't soak up the sun's radiation, and it won't release the CO2 that we now know from experience warms the earth.

Forgetting mining, the construction of nuclear power plants releases a lot of CO2. Construction of plants require prodigious amounts of concrete and steel, both of which require massive amounts of heat energy to manufacture, and more than likely it come from coal. Then there's the need to transport them.

...the wind potential off the Mid Atlantic comes to 330 [gigawatts] Look at that another way - that's 330GW (but really a lot more, since windmills aren't 100% efficient) of energy getting taken out of the global airmass every year and put into our air conditioners and refrigerators. Nuclear takes that 330GW (again, more in reality) out of a fairly small amount of uranium or thorium.

Like there are air conditioners and refrigerators of the coast. There are more than likely houses with them near mining and manufacturing though. Then there's the need for water for the mining yet water isn't readily available where the uranium is. In Colorado "Gov. Ritter Signs Uranium Mining Water Protection Bill".

The Univ. of Delaware study you linked to (see, I click! I read! Feel the love, Falcon.) plans to generate 330GW of power annually - from 166,720 turbines floating on top of fifty thousand square miles of ocean.

That area is still capable of being used as it is now. Ships and sail boats can still sail. Fishermen can still fish, actually because of the platforms needed for wind ginnies more fish could live there. Then with more fish more people could be encouraged to swim or snorkel and dive, which could boost the economy of the area. This is being done in Florida, artificial reefs are made by sinking cleaned objects which then encourages coral to grow. The coral offers shelters and food to fish.

That's a wind farm roughly one-fifth the area of Texas

Texas, specifically west Texas has wind farms that prod

I would just add as a member of the LDS Church that the church is often misunderstood. Take the stories about the completely separate FLDS Church in this thread. Take issues of polygamy or any other confusion. At its core, it is an organization that tries to help its members follow the example of Jesus Christ, hence the name, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

I would just say that given the history of being persecuted for their beliefs, it's natural to want to avoid any unnecessary misunderstanding. They were forcibly kicked out of Missouri, Illinois, and other places. That's the reason they went west - to escape those who had murdered their first leader with a mob and burned their homes.

For better background information, here is a site that is for the news media that talks about statistics, core beliefs, and history. Here is a website that talks more about the basic beliefs.

So please just take in a bigger picture when deciding that they are just trying to censor or gag anyone. They just want respect for privacy like just about any slashdotter wants.

The announcement of "cold fusion" 20 years ago really put a damper on research in the field. According to this article there are only 30 desktop fusion reseach systems (they only add 4 neutrons/minute compared to the background level of 36 neutrons from space.

If these views set me up as "anti-mormon," so be it. Consider the expression, "takes on to know one." As far as I can see there is a direct parallels between Scientology and Mormonism. It is a dangerous road whenever the tenets of the religion are subject to change and the followers aren't even sure of their own belief system.

Here is an example of changing tenents in the early Mormon church, on the topic they are most well known for: the practice of plural marriage or polygamy (polygyny only.) A lot of early Mormons would disavow that their sect practice polygamy. This was an honest denial because they truly did not believe it was part of the religion. They had not been "trusted" with the revelation given to the "higher officials." BTW, a lot of the higher official apparently had no problems with the new mandate (because it sounded fun?) and took to the "practice" like ducks take to water (Joseph Smith, Brigham Young). Some others did have a big problem with it and it caused a 4 or 5 way split of the church when Smith was assasinated. There is some very interesting reading on the topic in Wikipedia. The parallel with Scientology is they will disavow Xenu because they haven't been on the cruise and been let in on the secret.

Mr. Blademaster, in a parallel thread on this topic you claimed no knowledge of "baby killing." It is a reference to Ron and Dan Lafferty's 1984 killing spree in American Fork, Utah. The murder victims had their throats cut, IRC.

Well, there is that little thing about the DOE scientists evaluating the safety of Yucca Mountain and the likelihood of it contaminating the water supply... you know, the thing about the scientists falsifying data:

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600119181,00.html

and there is that little thing about, you know, earthquakes in the vicinity:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/06/14/yucca.quake/index.html

But other than that it's perfectly safe. :-)

Regarding the government scientists falsifying safety data for Yucca Mountain disposal site in Nevada, and the earthquake near the site in 2002, I posted links that are broken (error on my part). Since I couldn't figure out how to edit my original post, here are corrected links:

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600119181,00.html

and:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/06/14/yucca.quake/index.html

Yeah, it's safe mkay. Repeat after me, mkay, it's safe. Mkay? Yeah, mkay.

Well, there is that little thing about the government scientists at Yucca Mountain falsifying information in their reports regarding the dangers of the water supply being contaminated. Don't remember that? Well, let's refresh our memories:

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600119181,00.html/

And, well, there is that little detail about the waste needing to be stored safely for oh, say, maybe ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS! Gosh, that shouldn't be too difficult. Especially in light of the earthquakes around Yucca Mountain. Mkay? Don't recall that either? Well, let's refresh our memories again:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/06/14/yucca.quake/index.html/

Maybe not so easy to keep safe for a hundred thousand years or so after all, mkay. :-)

The only source of the number leads straight back to the cthurch of Scientology which can provide no meaningful data to support that. It's highly suspect that they claim they can't, because the whole organization is obsessed with "stats" thanks to Hubbard, and every Thurdays at 2pm a report goes uplines of how many people on course, how much money, how many new people signed up, how many Stress Tests, how much money, etc.

[..] that the church's estimates of its membership numbers -- 4 million in the United States, 8 to 9 million worldwide -- are exaggerated. "You're talking about anyone who ever bought a Scientology book or took a basic course. Ninety-nine percent of them don't ever darken the door of the church again." If the church indeed had 4 million members in the United States, he says, "they would be like the Lutherans and would show up on a national survey" such as the Harris poll.

The dangers of internet porn to families is real. There was a good series of articles on dealing with the issue at the family level: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660213821,00 .html

--Msg: 28501 of 28505 4/23/2007 6:17:36 PM Recs: 8 Sentiment: Strong Sell
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The REAL reason Ralphie hates open wireless

Here's a curious thing. During the recent CP80 hearings in Utah, Ralphie proposed cracking down on local Utah ISPs, and anyone who offers open wireless access. The one witness in opposition quoted in the media was one Pete Ashdown, CEO of XMission, a local Utah ISP that would disproportionately bear the brunt of Ralphie's proposal, since it's a local ISP, and offers open wireless access in the Salt Lake metro area. It seemed odd at the time that Ralphie and the legislators would be so hot on the proposal, since ISPs based out of state would be unaffected by the proposed law, so the law would have no effect whatsoever on the pr0n "crisis".

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660213162,00 .html

Pete Ashdown's name sounded vaguely familiar, but I didn't connect the dots until today. In addition to being the founder & owner of XMission, Mr. Ashdown was also the Democratic challenger to Sen. Orrin Hatch in last year's general election.

http://formaline.blogspot.com/2006/05/im-with-pete .html

Recall that Ralphie donated quite heavily to Sen. Hatch's reelection campaign, with donations arriving in his name and the names of his kids as well. Which isn't technically legal, but hey. Oh, and Hatch's son is one of SCO's top lawyers, of course.

So maybe this is all one big incredible coincidence. Or maybe it's political payback time, with Ralphie trying to buy a few more favors in the process.

Msg: 28505 of 28505 4/23/2007 7:06:32 PM Recs: 0 Sentiment: Not Disclosed
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Posted as a reply to msg 28501 by atul666

Re: The REAL reason Ralphie hates open wireless

[Or maybe it's political payback time, with Ralphie trying to buy a few more favors in the process. ]

I'll pick door number two - payback time. If Mr. Ashdown had any other political ambitions, they are history now. From here on out, Mr Ashdown is going to labeled as, at best 'soft on child pornography' and, at worst, a purveyor of child porn. Child porn is everybody's favorite campaign issue because nobody is for it and, once you get elected, you don't actually have to *do* anything about it as it is already against the law and vigorously prosecuted. From here on out, thanks to Ralph 'Spoilsport' Yarro, Mr. Ashdown is on the wrong side on an issue that creates a very powerful gut level reaction. Mr. Ashdown could cure cancer, bring world peace, stop gloabl warming, and eliminate poverty world wide and he has a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected dog catcher.

I don't think PJ was using any poetical language when she passingly refered to the use of weaponry
in her post.
I would be concerned if Darl Gun Nut McBride was out to get me.

Bloomberg News:
"Darl McBride, chief executive of SCO Group Inc., says he sometimes carries a gun because his enemies are out to kill him. He checks into hotels under assumed names. An armed body guard protected him at Harvard Law School when he gave a speech last month.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595047068,00 .html

Too many suicides related to SCO and Canopy
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=canopy+sco+su icide&btnG=Google+Search

Then connect the dots.
Even if she only caught a cold, Darl should be very concerned if something happens to PJ.

SCO's CEO has made a point of telling the press that he carries a gun. So he's got lawyers and guns, but he's running out of money.

Then it became a shopping mall. But now, it's a war zone.

Why just settle for one when you can have both?

> And what the heck will you do with the cloned passport, since you're obviously not the same person on the photo ?

There exists a person Bob who is not obviously not the same person as Jim, who happens to look very similar to Bob. Bob simply needs to get Very Lucky.

References:
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650206136,00 .html
Bertillon measurements regarding Will and William West at the Federal Penitentiary in Leavenworth, Kansas, between 1903 and 1909.

There appears to be an open proposal to implement the ID scenario that you're talking about, but it appears to be being thwarted by claims that it is a civil rights violation. See http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650192229,00 .html/.

Careful, he's waiting for you. ;)