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Has it actually been passed?

I saw this story on Slashdot yesterday (Thursday) and it's now Friday morning (10am in England) and there is nothing on the BBC and no update to the parliament.uk page regarding the bill.

Is there a chance this hasn't actually been passed which is why it's not being reported? The BBC has no recent (within last week) news on this.

OK, so searching with Google News I can now see a few UK papers picking this up today: The Independent, Digital Trends, Out-Law, and Press Gazetta but they are not what you'd consider main-stream.

Fuck the main-stream media.

Fuck the UK government.

iPhones aren't known to combust

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/02/...
http://www.digitaltrends.com/m...
http://bgr.com/2016/10/03/ipho...
http://www.ibtimes.com/apple-i...

I think that you could find reports of any device with l-ion batteries exploding/catching fire.

And that's why Apple is getting patents on folding phones, because they're so creative and they're going to have patented rounded corners, wow, how creative is THAT, huh, Samsung could never compare to Apple which has phones that fold in half and rounded corners! /sarc - I think

Apple is in for a surprise when they arrive at the patent office. Samsung has already patented folding phones.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/m...

Yeah, and I applaud them for demoing that by putting a sheet of paper into a plastic case and then folding that.

But back to to the real point: this isn't about patenting "a foldable display" as in "all possible foldable displays", it's about a technology to make a foldable display. And Samsung uses "a metal thin film", Apple uses "a carbon nanotube flexible printed circuit". Notice the difference?

And that's why Apple is getting patents on folding phones, because they're so creative and they're going to have patented rounded corners, wow, how creative is THAT, huh, Samsung could never compare to Apple which has phones that fold in half and rounded corners! /sarc - I think

Apple is in for a surprise when they arrive at the patent office. Samsung has already patented folding phones.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/m...

How about listening to users and extending Windows 7 support even longer, and perhaps un-crippling the Windows Update service on that platform?

Windows 7 gained more new users than Windows 10 in last two months

Maybe you should check those stats...

http://www.independent.co.uk/l...
http://bgr.com/2016/10/03/ipho...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
http://www.digitaltrends.com/m...
http://www.express.co.uk/life-...

Trend Micro relies on unsecured anti-virus to protect all their customer's computers.

iMessage is like a suped-up version of SMS. Like Whatsapp and then some.
Allows free messaging (text, pictures, video, gifs, your own drawings, etc) to other iMessage users. Shows when messages have been delivered, if people are replying, etc.
Now also allows 3rd party apps. Potential here. This will give you an idea, skip past the "sticker pack" crap: http://www.digitaltrends.com/m...
Thing is, it's done rather well. Things are seamless, e.g. will even send standard SMS messages if data isn't available or recipient doesn't use iMessage. There's minimal clutter, but a lot of power if you want to go past basic texting.
So no, you wouldn't care about iMessage if you've never used it, but going from iMessage to basic SMS is noticeable, but hardly the end of the world.

The Japanese are working on it.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/c...

Because clearly, Apple would never have issues with defective batteries?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/m...

Also, since the Samsung Note 7 is the only model of Android on the market, clearly it is the only thing that can be compared to the fashion accessory iPhone.

Sounds like somebody's pretty Butthurt! Did you get BURNED with your GN7 purchase?

Burned. Ha ha, hehe! Sometimes I just kill me!

Because clearly, Apple would never have issues with defective batteries?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/m...

Also, since the Samsung Note 7 is the only model of Android on the market, clearly it is the only thing that can be compared to the fashion accessory iPhone.

Says the pot?

That is an entirely true statement, but it makes him a shill?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/m...

It isn't like Apple has been without any issues in this arena.

An elevator goes up and down in a finite space and that's ALL it does,

Not any more they don't: Next-gen elevator goes sideways as well as up and down

In this case, it probably was 3.5mm jack, or sealed case for waterproofness. I'm guessing waterproofness won out.

Nope. There are other waterproof smartphones that have a higher rating (IP68) than the iPhone 7, yet they all have a headphone jack. What won out was a way to push customers into either buying headphones that use the lightning port or bluetooth headphones that use Apple's W1 chip. Either way, Apple gets paid when others make accessories with their proprietary crap. "Oh, but there's a dongle", you say. Indeed there is. Apple knew there would be an even bigger shit-storm if not for some way for people to still use non-Apple headphones, but genius lies in the inconvenience of using the dongle. Which is exactly what will make iPhone users more likely to purchase Apple taxed headphones in the future.

I don't disagree with your general point, but my hope is that there will now be some effort in a better Bluetooth. Something like this maybe http://www.digitaltrends.com/c... Wires suck. I like canal phones because you can get excellent sound quality and brilliant noise isolation. Nothing better for a long business flight and drowning out the sounds of the plane and kids. But the cable and the jack on these things is the weak point and the more you use them the sooner they break. They get tangled up, they get caught on things. I would love to be able to ditch the wire! Apple is a big enough chunk of the market that alternatives to the ubiquitous wire might have a chance to get returns for some R&D.

You may be a bit behind on tech.... http://www.digitaltrends.com/c...

Now, the bespoke phone can't upgrade to a 24Gigapixel camera, or a laser bar code scanner, or whatever foolishness without a complete re-design

Not true.

"The exploit, dubbed ‘Sweet32’, isn’t easy to carry out, however. It involves mining hundreds of gigabytes of data, and targeting specific users who have accessed a malicious website which saddled them with a bit of malware" ref

Already in the game. You have to confirm that you're a passenger if it thinks you're moving too fast to be walking and it tells you not to play while driving.

True. From Digital Trends:

The automaker now bills the Model S as the quickest production car in the world, but there are a couples [sic] issues with that statement. Both the Ferrari LaFerrari and Porsche 918 Spyder are quicker off the line by one tenth of a second or so, which would make the Model S the third-fastest car in the world, not the first. Don’t worry though, Tesla has an explanation.

“Both the LaFerrari and the Porsche 918 Spyder were limited run, million-dollar vehicles and cannot be bought new,” the brand said. “While those cars are small two seaters with very little luggage space, the pure electric, all-wheel drive Model S P100D has four doors, seats up to 5 adults plus 2 children and has exceptional cargo capacity.”

Perhaps “quickest car in the world that can be purchased new in 2016” would be a better title, however that doesn’t exactly roll off the fingertips. At any rate, the Model S and Model X are now faster than almost anything on the road, and with its new power source, the Model S is the first production EV to cross the coveted 300-mile range mark.

Dubbed P100D, the electric powertrain [with the new, 100kWh battery pack] drops the Model S’ 0 to 60 time down to just 2.5 seconds, and total range has been increased from 294 miles to 315 miles. The Model X P100D sees similar improvements, as the heavier vehicle can now sprint to 60 mph in 2.9 ticks and drive for 289 miles without recharging.

Not bad. If you got the garage space and some change for a charging rig, they've got a superfast car you can use to take the kids to the pool... if you can stand telling them "no" a million times when they beg, beg, beg you to gun it in "ludicrous mode" off the traffic light (I said... DO NOT TOUCH!) and Tesla should definitely offer some super-secure teen-driver proofing so your kid with the freshly minted driver's license doesn't squish himself on a joy-ride whilst you and the missus are reconnecting on holiday.

Yeah.... No Thanks Mr. Chen. Apple's phone is more secure than anything you believe in making. Read Here

This.

Sprint Admits Deceptive 'Half-Off' Deal Really Offers Only 20 Percent Off: http://www.cio.com/article/285...

Sprint Counts on Ignorance with New Half Price Plans: https://www.wirelessweek.com/b...

No, Sprint isn’t really cutting your phone bill in half: http://www.digitaltrends.com/m...

Interesting. On multiple benchmarks Chrome appears to be faster where it counts - Javascript performance, network performance, rendering speed. It's also better, in terms of standards compliance and accurate rendering.

If Safari really is "running rings" around Chrome on MacOS, that suggests that Apple is either favouring Safari somehow (like Microsoft did by pre-loading a lot of IE on Windows) or crippling Chrome somehow (like they do on iOS by forcing it to use a slower version of Apple's HTML/JS engine).

In response to the third reported Autopilot crash, which was the first of three where there were no fatalities

The first crash in Florida was the guy who got killed going under the truck while watching his DVD.
The second crash was a gallery owner in Detroit and he and his passenger survived without any injuries .
The third crash - the one apparently without autopilot - hit a guard rail in Montana. "The two occupants walked away without major injuries."

I don't know why this "fatalities in two crashes" myth is so pernicious. It was also falsely claimed in this Slashdot story on the third crash last Monday. But all of the linked articles are absolutely clear that there's been only one fatality, so it's not like the various submitters are just getting bad information from the media. Instead, the Subbys appear to be making up the second fatality out of nothing.

A more skeptical person than me would wonder if someone shorted TSLA.

Whether you can tell the difference between any given resolutions depends on display size, viewing distance, and the fundamental resolving capabilities of the human eye. For example, on a display less than 50", from a viewing distance of more than 10 feet, someone with normal vision will not be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. On the same display from 6 feet away, they will easily be able to tell the difference. There is no point whatsoever arguing about whether you can tell the difference or not without specifying the display size or viewing distance.

Ilustrative chart here

Did you ask for permission to visit Slashdot? I posit that you don't have authorization to be here, and since Slashdot is owned by a for profit company (BIZX media) and since you are using a false identity (an alias), I accuse you of committing wire fraud under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

I'm not trying to get you indicted (I'm committing the same crime), just saying the CFAA is a terribly written law that used another terrible law as a template (the Espionage Act of 1917). The Authorization section was specifically included to protect ATMs at a time when networking was alien to congresspeople. I think WarGames the movie terrified them into action and they took one of the countries most loosely worded laws and applied it to computing..

Going forward I know I am feeding a troll, but I will explain just in case you really have the IQ of a four year old.

In this context the companies are consulting with ex-cia. They aren't teaching the ex-cia guy the ex-cia guy is teaching them.

If you're teaching something you must have some level of experience prior. There's only two types of people in the world that I can think of that would have experience data-mining social media; SJW's and individuals acting at the behest of a Nations security or military agencies. What the CIA does is obviously classified, but it goes without saying that people coming out of Govt organizations with this kind of teachable knowledge that *just happens* to align with the objectives our Govt has been requesting it's not a leap at all to come to the conclusion that CIA has been data-mining social media.

Oh wow, look at this:

https://theintercept.com/2016/...
http://www.digitaltrends.com/s...
http://securityaffairs.co/word...
http://www.usnews.com/news/art...
http://www.commondreams.org/ne...

google: Cia data mining social media

U.S. Customs is just a late comer to the party that's already been going on that you're calling me a conspiracy nut over. News is out man, Go home, and go to bed.

When are high-profile people - particularly tech people - going to learn to use any of the multi-factor auth options available to them?

As soon as Twitter allows a person with more than one account to use two-factor authentication on more than one account without multiple cell phone lines.

If you control both a personal account and a business account, you can expect the following error message when adding a second account: "The phone number you gave us is currently used by another Twitter account. Only one account can be used with a mobile phone at a time." (screenshot). Many major 2FA IDPs other than Twitter support TOTP, and some support U2F keys through Google Chrome. Though the Twitter Rules allow a user to manage more than one account with distinct purposes,* a user has to either forgo 2FA for one account or fork over $120 per year for a second cell phone line. Have things changed materially since September 2014 when this article was written?

Furthermore, this article claims that an account can't have more than one number, which makes 2FA impractical for multiple staffers who tweet on a single account. One might consider using a landline shared by staffers in an office, but that doesn't work either. I tried to associate my Twitter account with a landline in May of this year, but it gave an error message that my carrier was unsupported.

If any of this has changed, link me the announcement.

* As opposed to these Twitter accounts, all of which which exist to praise GNU/Linux and bash "M$".

It looks like the OS doesn't suck, but the hardware does...

http://www.digitaltrends.com/c...
"The Marshall London looks fantastic, and its musical ability lives up to expectations, but it's a terribly mediocre, overpriced smartphone."

http://www.androidauthority.co...
"What the Marshall London does have going for it is its near-stock Android experience. Marshall didn't try too hard to make Google's OS different, something that might have helped keep the phone snappier. Just keep in mind you would be getting a mid-to-low tier performance out of this phone. That's really the important part....
With that said, we also have to mention casual smartphone users will have to cut too many corners to live with superior sound. That's the main issue here, Marshall took a generic phone and put its name on it. Cool apps and a good design won't be enough to put this phone in the hands of people outside the target niche. Especially when considering that price."

http://www.alphr.com/mobile-ph...
"A distinct lack of imagination continues throughout the handset."

That depends on whose numbers you read, of course. Netmarketshare still has XP at over 10%, with 10 now up to around 15%. Even if you question the Netmarketshare stats (and I would agree there are reasons you might), another source I've seen cited a few times that puts XP much lower still agrees that 10 has only around one third of the market share of 7 and that 7 retains around half of the desktop/laptop market.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/c...

Keep in mind that you can measure marketshare in many ways, so the various sites don't have to be wrong and be different.

That one says Windows 10 hit 20% of the market after 8 months. That actually strikes me as good, considering that it is competing with Windows 7, which also was quite good.

Keep in mind that Windows 10 has 300 million users after 8 months. How many Apple Mac users are there total?

Before you say people are leaving Windows, look at the totals. Apple sold less than 5 million Macs in 2015, total. Windows 10 gained 300 million users in 8 months. Most companies would love to have Microsoft's "failure". :)

Well, firstly, you're assuming that everyone needs to replace MS on the desktop. With the variety of devices available today, it's quite possible that a significant part of the market simply won't buy new PCs at all, preferring other types of device such as tablets for some applications.

That has happened, to some extent, with tablets and smart phones, a market that MS clearly waited too long on. However that market has cooled off a lot in the past year as well, due to people finding that they don't need new versions of those devices either.

The obvious answer for those who do want a more traditional PC set-up is Apple. You say they cost way too much, but plenty of businesses I work with routinely equip their staff with Apple laptops. The TCO isn't so very different, and with Windows 10 the TCO of Microsoft's platform doesn't look nearly as attractive as it used to.

Except, they don't... see the above numbers...

In 2015, 238 million PCs were sold, less than 5 million of which were Macs. It isn't even close.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/...

>> I'd rather they quit pestering me to do something I do not want to do.
> I understand... I don't want to pay my taxes either, but I have to...

False equivalence much? You're comparing apples and oranges assuming they are the same thing.

NOT paying taxes is illegal.

NOT upgrading is legal.

> You don't have to like it, but you have to do it.

[[Citation]]

I get to decide what patches to install on my computer, not Microshit.

> If you're online, you have to keep your computer up to date, to do otherwise is irresponsible and unsafe...

Assuming the updates are safe AND work. Oh look, why did Microsoft pull updates KB 3114409, The Windows 10 Nov. Update, /KB3001652, etc.

But keep drinking that Kool-Aid (TM) and astroturfing there buddy.

Plank time.

Also, deflategate, he got the ideal gas law all wrong, and made an ass out of himself claiming that the ball couldn't have lost pressure.

http://physicsbuzz.physicscent... http://www.digitaltrends.com/h...

Yeah, so?
Hawking has made mistakes http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/stephen-hawking-admits-the-biggest-blunder-of-his-scientific-career-early-belief-that-everything-8568418.html,
Einstein has too http://discovermagazine.com/2008/sep/01-einsteins-23-biggest-mistakes,
and so has Newton.

Most famous scientists have till their death defended a claim that was shown wrong long before.

Also, deflategate, he got the ideal gas law all wrong, and made an ass out of himself claiming that the ball couldn't have lost pressure.

http://physicsbuzz.physicscent...
http://www.digitaltrends.com/h...

Digital Trends, to be exact: http://www.digitaltrends.com/c... Obviously they grabbed some stock keyboard art that included the Win logo. The key how to tell it's a Mac is that if it were a PC it'd still have Intel marketing stickers all over the goddamn palm rests.

This sentence is only true of the Samsung Gear VR, not the Oculus Rift, which contains its own screen. This is why the specifications for the Rift include a resolution:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/v...

Now consumers have mostly rejected it

You say that as if it were, in fact, actually true. I really respect your willingness to demonstrate such a high level of "flexibility." ;)

Vizio announces its first consumer 4K TVs, kills all 3D support
Sky drops 3D channel
BBC drops 3D programmes due to lack of interest
The End Of 3D? ESPN Drops 3D Channel
DirecTV scales back 3D content due to lack of demand
Poll: Is 3D TV dead? Do you care?

A quote from the last one:

3D's biggest issue has always been lack of 3D movies and TV shows, however, and they're only getting more scarce. ESPN's highly hyped 3D channel quietly got put to rest two years ago. Many other 3D-only channels, like 3net, Xfinity 3D, Foxtel 3D, Sky 3D and more, are also gone.

Some download services, like Vudu, still offer 3D, but the total number of 3D Blu-ray movies has dropped off significantly. They peaked in 2013 at 77, up from 66 and 68 the two years previous. Last year? 44, and only 22 so far this year. There will certainly be more in the second half, but I doubt we'll break 40.

Maybe you liked it, I'm not to argue with personal taste. But it's barely been mentioned as a feature for a couple years now, there's no plans for 4K in 3D in the new Bluray standard and nobody really seems to care. It works for most people at the cinema for a few hours every now and then, but at home it's been a dud.

Just don't join or use FaceBook?

Simple..easy to do. And hey, you might even make closer, better friends in meatspace, by you know..actually talking to them in person, and doing things with them...

Have you ever heard of Facebook shadow profiles [1]? Maybe it's not as easy as not signing up or quitting. Because they will still profile you. Forever. Just think of Facebook as the metastasized version of the government files on you.

[1] http://www.digitaltrends.com/s...

As long as you can capture the raw video and audio output you can copy anything into your own format.

Not a trivial problem.

Ultra HD Blu-ray will use primarily double-layer 66 GB discs (though 100 GB triple-layer discs are part of the spec) and will be capable of delivering up to 108 Mbps of data. To put this in perspective, consider that Netflix's 4K Ultra HD streams are delivered at about 16 Mbps and represent an average of 14 GB of total data for two hours of entertainment.

Ultra HD Blu-ray arrives March 2016; here's everything we know

And maybe not worth the trouble.

One interesting feature is the Digital Bridge, which makes it possible to make an exact bit for bit copy of an Ultra HD Blu-ray on an authorized media drive, or transfer files to an authorized mobile device. Though Victor Matsuda, Chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association Global Promotions Committee, has explained that the extent of support for this feature will be down to the individual UHD Blu-ray manufacturers.

Ultra HD Blu-ray: All you need to know about 4K Blu-ray players, discs and the rest Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/...

Exactly what does that mean 'there is no labour', nobody is willing to work?

It means nobody is willing to hire. Not because of whatever government regulation, but because the "employer" fabricated themselves a windmill then used the electricity to fabricate themselves miners, assemblers, and so on, for the cost of the plastics and metals that went into them.

Do you own your 500foot yacht?

If I had the money for the epoxy and fiberglass I could have robots fabricate one for me.

Your own airplane

If I had the money for the aluminum and jet fuel I could have robots fabricate it for me.

Your own submarine

If I had the money for the metal it could be made.

Your own farm

If I...

A new form of entertainment that is unavailable today?

Ah, that's the spirit. Everyone can produce 7 or 8 billion channels of entertainment (it's not like they'd need to employ anyone to make it). Of course, it's all shit.

The only reason jobs are unavailable is government interference with the free market and money and interest rate and debt manipulation.

And the reason for the jobs to be unavailable after automation is because paying $ for the materials plus $ for the labor is more expensive than paying $ for the materials. Robot-assembling robots would significantly change the equation of "would it cost more to get a robot than to hire a person". That's leaving aside whether a well-designed robot would make mistakes on the production line like a distracted human would.

Will this be a problem in my lifetime? I certainly hope not. I suppose I could plan ahead by buying land, but China is already fabricating islands.

The scary thing is I believe a lot of people likely still use it because that's all they can get.

Viable still applies if it's being sold, and lot of people are on it.

According to this (which is from 2013), 18% of American internet usage was on DSL.

I don't think "viable" means what you think it means. Used by tons of people and still actively sold ... well, it's outdated, but it's still viable.

For the amount of power the world uses, the effect a negligible. http://www.digitaltrends.com/c...

http://hackaday.com/2010/03/31...

http://hackaday.com/2013/03/14...

http://hackaday.com/2013/03/18...

http://www.extremetech.com/com...

https://www.avforums.com/threa...

Most any WiFi firmware artificially limits the radio -> http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/proj...

http://www.ilounge.com/index.p...

Whoa, your car has hidden features? https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Extra cores on your CPU? No way! http://www.bit-tech.net/hardwa...

Cripple phone features? Oh noes! https://www.techdirt.com/artic... https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

More than one HAM radio have been found to be subject to software tweaking for improvements in scan speed and frequencies covered.-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Got a RAID card? Some of them can be crossflashed to gain features BTW. Or you can pay thousands to the manufacturer for some features (*cough*PERC*cough*) http://www.servethehome.com/ib...

Gains can be had by flashing custom firmware to your DVD\BD RW drives but I didn't feel like spending any time past a cursory search to find this. http://binflash.cdfreaks.com/ http://www.rpc1.org/viewtopic.... http://dvrflash.rpc1.org/

Firmware being used in external HDD has also been found to be crippled vs a standard drive, this didn't used to always be the case....

Here's one that's just an upgrade with features the manufacturer didn't include (see also ANY Jailbreaking post ever)

http://lifehacker.com/find-out...
http://lifehacker.com/5942229/...
http://www.digitaltrends.com/p...

Oh look, your camera now supports RAW? Thought that was only for pro cameras not P&S pocket models...

I could go on and on with examples but suffice it to say yeah it DOES happen and it happens fairly often. It happens most often with system that have a full OS, often Linux, where a firmware flash can give you all sorts of features (OpenWRT or Tomato anyone?) but it also happens in cameras, lab bench tools, TVs, stereos, and just about anything else that is driven by software. Want more turbo boost in your car? Software baby! Want that printer to register an empty toner cartridge sooner? No problem!

Tired now, think I've made my point?

The guy is obviously a sociopath.

The thing that really gets my goat is that he paid $2 million for that one-off Wu Tang Clan album and didn't just share it with the world.

I hope he does hard time, but chances are he'll just go to a Club Fed and come out and get a book deal.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/m...

I wish there was a way that all the cancer patients could chime into the case and make sure he goes to a serious, federal, "Pound me in the ass" prison. I am talking "First day, kick somebody's ass or become someone's bitch" prison. Bubba would have a lot of fun with a hipster like Shkreli.

The guy is obviously a sociopath.

The thing that really gets my goat is that he paid $2 million for that one-off Wu Tang Clan album and didn't just share it with the world.

I hope he does hard time, but chances are he'll just go to a Club Fed and come out and get a book deal.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/m...

here is an article in which they announced that starting in 2015, they would hit the south and southeast and move forward. Also , if you want it, get your neighbors involved. That article gives clear direction as to what is going on, and what someone that really lives in Austin needs to do.

An all electric 4 door luxury sedan that seats 5 is equaling your turbo. Porche 2017 911 Turbo S: 2.8 seconds. Tesla’s Model S P85D: 2.8 seconds. http://www.digitaltrends.com/c... http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/...

You keep posting this; are you unaware that taking a car round a track involves more than just raw torque? That some of the joy of driving includes navigation of twisty bends of roads. There's a reason many of the most popular car races involve bends.

Are you unaware of the fact that suspension, steering, etc are independent of the drive train? If an all electric five seater luxury sedan happens to beat a 911 Turbo S image what a car designed to be an all electric sports car can do.

An all electric 4 door luxury sedan that seats 5 is equaling your turbo. Porche 2017 911 Turbo S: 2.8 seconds. Tesla’s Model S P85D: 2.8 seconds. http://www.digitaltrends.com/c... http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/...

You keep posting this; are you unaware that taking a car round a track involves more than just raw torque? That some of the joy of driving includes navigation of twisty bends of roads. There's a reason many of the most popular car races involve bends.

Why are so many trying to compete with a company that is barely profitable, especially since oil has dropped?

Because a Tesla all electric 4 door luxury sedan that seats 5 is equaling a Porche 2 seater sports car with 580 horsepower at zero to 60mph.

Porche 2017 911 Turbo S: 2.8 seconds.
Tesla’s Model S P85D: 2.8 seconds.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/c...
http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/...

An all electric 4 door luxury sedan that seats 5 is equaling your turbo.

Porche 2017 911 Turbo S: 2.8 seconds.
Tesla’s Model S P85D: 2.8 seconds.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/c...
http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/...