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Maybe because they're run by a secret cabal of Osiris worshipers.

HA HA...
heh...

In my more conspiracy-minded moments

good grief, do you even intarweb, bro ?

You probably think those shuttle disasters we "accidents", too.

/can't tell where parody ends anymore...

You are seriously using a link to globalresearch.ca as proof of something ?
This is one of the most obvious propaganda site I know, it's so obvious that it looks more like a joke site than a real site.

Hey, I've got great news, NASA is lying to us, these is life on the moon, on mars, and many other places : http://www.enterprisemission.com/

He can now squeeze a few more months of life out of his insane Mars conspiracy theories.

How insane, you ask?

Try this: Buck Rogers View-Master Reels .

That's some mighty good crackpottery, right there!

Who really knows what's going on? I think it's safe to assume that there is "state of the art" technology that is not commonly known to exist.

For example, suppose one of those government secret labs figured out the secrets of gravity decades ago. Would the powers-that-be let the public know that the most-sacred "Law of Gravity" has an off-switch?

Plus trying to hide such programs entirely is damn near impossible, or would cost more to hide than the entire program itself.

Little secrets are difficult to hide. Big, impossible secrets? Those would be much easier to keep under wraps, because it's easy to laugh advocates of "the impossible" out of the room.

And I'm sure they would know how to keep quiet the workers who'd retire from a project that was 'beyond top secret' anyways.

The Norwegian Spiral is suggestive of secret technology. Someone suggested that the HAARP array (or something like it) was used to reach out and "crush" the Russian's test rocket in mid flight. Status-quo defenders will snicker and laugh at such a proposition, but .... I do have to wonder if they've got a point. ?

How about some hi res images of the glass worms of Mars http://www.enterprisemission.com/can.htm

Well, according to this "expert" it's torsion weapons of mass destruction

Robert Hoagland's science

This isn't news to those of us who investigate NASA cover ups of alien life. Look at this picture of what I call a "space shrimp".

NASA used the rock grinder on the rover to destroy this invaluable fossil!

They've already got it. I heard about it on late night radio, "Coast to Coast AM" w/George Noory. Truth news!

Yep. I think Bush used it to send Katrina to NOLA, or something like that... Wilma, Ophelia -they were all manipulated. Even Pravda even wrote an article about it, so it must be true! OMG teh kittenz!

Well, OK, no I don't believe it. I think it is as plausible as us sending cloud ships out into the ocean to stop some process that has been going on for loooong before we were here, and will go on for long after we are gone...

But hey, 'cloud ships' are as good a way as any to get some grant money funding, I guess! :rolleyes:

And for those Bruce Willis fans out there, it's possible that Galileo nuked Jupiter for us.

Well, there was this curious formation that was ground through.

The symmetry is disturbing. But I don't accept the page's conclusion either.

Mod parent up informative. Also, I'd suggest checking out Richard Hoagland's hilarious batshit insane conspiracy theories about it ... there's some very interesting facts in there too if you filter out the crazy conclusions. It's a weird moon.

Someone call Richard C. Hoagland!

Say what you want about Richard Hogland, but he has an outdated blog about this very same subject. http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/weblog.htm

Plans for nuclear power in the UK seem to be taking an interesting turn. Greenpeace UK recently looked at...

If you want to post bad science, please get it from a conspiracy site (ie. Hoagland's site). Bad science without conspiracy theories is just too boring.

The picture of the puddle is similar to something Ive seen on Richard Hoaglands site, some time ago... I just cant find it at the moment.. But Ive seen the blue puddle well over a year ago...

This definitely looks like mud... http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/04-13-2 004_Methane_on_Mars/Laney-Magic%20Carpet.jpg

And on the flows from the walls of craters... this was seen years ago:
"Reports last year pointed to the existence of gullies on crater walls..."

Try reports from 07/19/2000:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/press-water.html

Sure Hoagland claims the end of the world every so often..... Take the good with the bad. He was so right about current water on mars, long before NASA would publicly state anything like him.

The picture of the puddle is similar to something Ive seen on Richard Hoaglands site, some time ago... I just cant find it at the moment.. But Ive seen the blue puddle well over a year ago...

This definitely looks like mud... http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/04-13-2 004_Methane_on_Mars/Laney-Magic%20Carpet.jpg

And on the flows from the walls of craters... this was seen years ago:
"Reports last year pointed to the existence of gullies on crater walls..."

Try reports from 07/19/2000:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/press-water.html

Sure Hoagland claims the end of the world every so often..... Take the good with the bad. He was so right about current water on mars, long before NASA would publicly state anything like him.

Here are pictures of Isabel:
http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/goes/030913.isabel.g if
http://www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane1.htm
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional% 20Hurricane_optimized/16.jpg

here is Ivan:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional% 20Hurricane_optimized/30.jpg

and here is Jean:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional% 20Hurricane_optimized/jeannani2.gif

Here are pictures of Isabel:
http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/goes/030913.isabel.g if
http://www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane1.htm
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional% 20Hurricane_optimized/16.jpg

here is Ivan:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional% 20Hurricane_optimized/30.jpg

and here is Jean:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional% 20Hurricane_optimized/jeannani2.gif

Here are pictures of Isabel:
http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/goes/030913.isabel.g if
http://www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane1.htm
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional% 20Hurricane_optimized/16.jpg

here is Ivan:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional% 20Hurricane_optimized/30.jpg

and here is Jean:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional% 20Hurricane_optimized/jeannani2.gif

Here are pictures of Isabel:
http://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/goes/030913.isabel.g if
http://www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane1.htm
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional% 20Hurricane_optimized/16.jpg

here is Ivan:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional% 20Hurricane_optimized/30.jpg

and here is Jean:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Hyperdimensional% 20Hurricane_optimized/jeannani2.gif

Richard C. Hoagland is preparing a major paper to be published shortly ... to explain this through hyper-dimensional physics which so baffles NASA.

Richard C. Hoagland is preparing a major paper to be published shortly ... to explain this through hyper-dimensional physics which so baffles NASA.

faaak... Richard C. Hoagland had this story in 2004.

I cannot wait for Richard C. Hoagland to write another diatribe about Hyperdimensional Hurricanes. :-|

http://www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane1.htm

I agree. Another great site is http://enterprisemission.com/, which has always done a great job debunking those so-called scientists with their "facts" and "experiments" when it comes to extra terrestialism.

This hasn't stopped the Enterprise Mission people from claiming conspiracy and that it is indeed still a face. Their web page is hilarious. One of the most recent articles has scans from a 1950's era Jack Kirby comic that featured a giant face on Mars as "proof" we knew about the face years ago, and that someone must have "leaked" the story to Jack Kirby. Too much fun.

This hasn't stopped the Enterprise Mission people from claiming conspiracy and that it is indeed still a face. Their web page is hilarious. One of the most recent articles has scans from a 1950's era Jack Kirby comic that featured a giant face on Mars as "proof" we knew about the face years ago, and that someone must have "leaked" the story to Jack Kirby. Too much fun.

It will be hilarious to hear the excuses Martian civilization expert, Richard C. Hoagland, close personal friend of Walter Cronkite and close personal friend of "Carl" will have to explain how this still really is a remnant of a past Martian civilization.

For more of his "solid science" you gotta see http://enterprisemission.com/ and be sure to buy his DVDs. :)/not

Oh yeah, I can't wait to see what Richard Hoagland makes of this!

Tapes of such importance don't just "get lost." According to some of the astronauts involved on that and other Apollo missions as well as people who have seen the original SSTV (superior to what was broadcast in quality) there were artifacts and other things that cannot be explained by conventional theories. http://www.totse.com/en/fringe/cydonia_and_moon_mo untains/cornet-a.html http://www.enterprisemission.com/Missing-Apollo.ht ml Some people like to just dismiss these sort of things because they have been conditioned to do so, but if you look at the evidence it is clear that something isn't right - between the missing tapes and photos, the censored (either manipulated or stright blacked out in sections) photos, the way that NASA handles real time communications from the shuttle and other spacecraft it is clear that they are hiding things. I am not saying I know what for sure, but I do know that there has been a lot of obfuscation, and that it is being done for a purpose.

Ex-NASA genius/nutball (you decide) Richard C. Hoagland has a page full of great pictures illustrating the above:
Hyperdimensional Hurricanes?

http://www.enterprisemission.com/
http://www.xenotechresearch.com/
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
http://www.divinecosmos.com/
http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/
http://einstein.stanford.edu/
http://www.biocybernaut.com/
http://www.lod.org/
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/
http://www.sitchin.com/
http://www.lenr-canr.org/
http://www.zptech.net/
http://www.un.org/depts/dhl/dag/meditationroom.htm
http://www.starchildproject.com/

That should keep everybody busy ..

> Not long from now people will start speculating that the rovers
> are CGI animation and start finding hundreds of "deffects" in the
> Mars shots that demonstrate they've been "Photoshopped".

They already are: http://www.enterprisemission.com/spirit2.htm

This fruit loop, oddly enough, uses photoshop himself to demonstrate that the GOVERNMENT IS LYING! The things that look like rocks all over the surface of Mars ARE ACTUALLY PIECES OF ALIEN MACHINERY! OMG!!!

Seriously, every time I go look at the site's front page, there's some new insane bit of conspiracy propaganda about "artificial features" and "NASA coverups" and other assorted drivel.

> People are cruel, people are doubtful. You can respect the latter but pitty the former.

Well, I pity farmers, but only because it's a hard life. With regard to cruel and doubtful, I mostly find that people are just plain stupid.

May 5, 2004,

"The entire solar system - not just our one small planet -- is currently undergoing profound, never-before-seen physical changes.

[...]

Here are some highlights:

        Sun: More activity since 1940 than in previous 1150 years, combined

        Mercury: Unexpected polar ice discovered, along with a surprisingly strong intrinsic magnetic field ... for a supposedly "dead" planet

        Venus: 2500% increase in auroral brightness, and substantive global atmospheric changes in less than 30 years

        Earth: Substantial and obvious world-wide weather and geophysical changes

        Mars: "Global Warming," huge storms, disappearance of polar icecaps

        Jupiter: Over 200% increase in brightness of surrounding plasma clouds

        Saturn: Major decrease in equatorial jet stream velocities in only ~20 years, accompanied by surprising surge of X-rays from equator

        Uranus: "Really big, big changes" in brightness, increased global cloud activity

        Neptune: 40% increase in atmospheric brightness

        Pluto: 300% increase in atmospheric pressure, even as Pluto recedes farther from the Sun

You know, at first I was really pissed off when I saw this post...I mean, for those of us who actually dream of and even have been involved in having a permanent and ongoing human presence in space, what you said was just plain nasty.

However...You did get me thinking...what is my reason for wanting to go to the moon? Why am I so passionate about something so big and so far fetched?

You know what I realized...I don't NEED a REASON (at least not one that you happen to approve of)...
It is real simple...
I am passionate about the possibilities available for humanity spreading out among the planets and even the stars...

I am passionate about the possibilities for our planet, once humanity gets a chance to really look down on our planet and sees it as a whole...

I am passionate about the possiblilties in the realm technology, once we get to a place where gravity doesn't interfere with crystal growth, where a vaccum can be a real vaccum, and where I could launch a space probe by openning a door...

They may have no reason for going to the moon.
They may have bad reasons for going to the moon.
So what...I can give them some good reasons...and I suspect so can you (and in the process you might just get your orbital hotel, etc).

Hell, so can these guys:
http://www.space.com/news/moon_top10_031208-1.html

http://www.enterprisemission.com/top-ten.htm

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/82/1

http://www.nssnyc.org/amillionreasons.html

http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kenn edy/3.htm

Senate Bill S. 517, introduced by Senator Kay Hutchinson (R-TX), on March 3, 2005 is pretty interesting:

S. 517: A Bill to Establish a Weather Modifications Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes.

Huh? Can this be for real? You bet: Clicky.

Also interesting, this is supposed to take effect on October 1, 2005! It has only been introduced, so this is unlikely at this point. But still the timing is creepy.

Thanks to Richard C Hoagland's Enterprise Mission web site for the information. Richard is way out there sometimes, but he definately has great credentials.

one like this?

At this stage, quoting from JunkScience in an argument proposing skepticism at the general consensus that man-made CO2 emissions are causing global warming isn't much different to linking to something on the Enterprise Mission website expressing a view that intelligent life may have existed recently on Mars. Sure, it might be that - remarkably - Hoagland's found something relevent and credible, but you'll forgive me for instinctively distrusting the source. It's also unnecessary if, as you suggest, "The research wasn't DONE by the JunkScience guy", to link to JunkScience's spin on it, you could just link directly to the source.

Sorry if that sounds close minded, but after a while, anyone but the least human of us considers certain sources strong clues as to whether something should be taken seriously. I'd have laughed at someone for linking to a Greenpeace report too. Link directly to the papers, or neutral group's readings of it (Nature, New Scientist, Scientific American, you name it) if you like, but don't expect to be taken any more seriously if you link to JunkScience than if you'd linked to the Church of Scientology.

IS one of Saturn's moons an ancient space station? Let's ask psuedo-science crackpot Richard Hoagland!

http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon2.htm

Whoa! Who could have guessed that it actually IS a space station?! Especially without this insightful analysis. Modelled on a buckyball, no less!

As for the Bothans:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php?date=2004-08- 15&res=l

If you want to read some kooky stuff about all of this, check out EnterpriseMission.com that guy has tons of interesting stuff about the moons. Sure, there are some segments that are to far out there, but it makes for an interesting read. He predicted half of this stuff and was a big wig at NASA for a while.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm/

i say to myself SCHTUP as i hit my forehead hard... it all becomes clear, the doggone gol-darn DOGON are returning -- too bad they are amphibians and the oceans are full of beer cans and raw sewage. I think if you watch the night sky and read less stichkin you will be much less prey to nefarious and spooky stories which will no doubt lead to some sort of social aberration manifesting as perhaps a rubber booted raincoated clown on a pogo stix, or even worse, as an aide to a politician in washington! there is magick at work no doubt and it does not look benign from my peephole, and if you are really interested in foreknowledge of events and astro-nomix (And your place within) start here: http://www.enterprisemission.com/egyptair.htm

I know too, that the "real reason" is that the Shuttle crafts are grounded again, so money can be diverted to building new crafts..

The poor astronauts will "die" (while they will be taken to safety using either russian or other craft) publically.

From a comment in Hoagland's blog:

As an engineer who has spent 20 years of his career helping to design the control systems that spray foam onto External Tank components I am deeply saddended by the current turn of events!

I would like to let everyone know that the people who work at the Michoud Assembly Facility in New Orleans give their All to make these tanks the best that can be made.

I remember well when the foam formulation was changed to eliminate freon as the "Blowing" agent. We spent several years re-qualifying the spray systems. We also noticed that the new foam had different characteristics and required more test sprays to validate it. All this was mandated by NASA to meet enviromental goals dictated by the Administration in power at that time.

After we changed the foam we started hearing about Shuttle tile getting dinged and gouged. Hey, it's not our fault you, (NASA), mandated the change. The point is, they knew about this years ago and did nothing! We told them that the new foam was different and they did nothing! They knew about it before 2001 when I left the program!

I agree it's time to go to a new vehicle design for space exploration.

If were smart the fastest way to get back into space is to keep the SRB's and External Tank. Put the next vehicle's manned component above the tank on a cargo carrier. That way you don't trash several billion dollars of manufacturing facillities that we paid for.

Thanks for letting me Rant!!

Richard, your doing a Great job!

From the latest post at Hoagland's Blog:

Return to Flight -- NOT Yet ... Maybe ... NEVER!?

So, the Shuttle Fleet is grounded because of foam coming off the Tank ... again.

Is this truly a surprise?

What is surprising is that the Space Agency told us ... while Discovery is still in orbit!

In striking contrast to the actions of the JPL management and scientific team controlling the increasingly mysterious Deep Impact Mission these past few weeks, NASA Shuttle managers overseeing the on-going STS-114 Discovery Mission have displayed a remarkable candor concerning both the potential problems with Discovery ... and the immense impact of these problems on the larger Shuttle Program.

Like -- telling us IMMEDIATELY they were "grounding" the entire Shuttle Fleet (!) -- as soon as the television images and digital stills were downlinked from the Mission, even before they were analyzed competely ....

John Shannon -- Space Shuttle Operations Manager -- foreshadowed this truly remarkable development when he stated at the first technical press briefing, the afternoon of Discovery's spectacularly successful launch:

"... I didn't come in with a lot of answers today. I came in trying to send a message that this is a test flight. And, we're very early in a six-day process. We're gonna share that with you as we go through it.

"We're not gonna keep data behind closed doors and try to understand it fully before we bring it out, we're gonna have you walk the trail with us. And we're gonna bring the information in as we know it, and let you share in it [emphasis added]...."

The Deep Impact Team should take a MAJOR hint ....

* * *

This "new" NASA does however raise some fascinating questions for an "old" NASA watcher like me:

Like ... why the sudden, almost embarrassing "openess?" Why the committment, so early in the Mission, to literally "let it ALL hang out?"

And ... why begin such a"new policy" ... before the current crew was back safely on the ground ... when such a policy could literally cost lives (see below) -- if not the entire Shuttle Program?!

I'm referring, of course, to NASA's (inexplicable, to me) amazing rush "to tell the whole world" -- and thus, all the literally thousands of NASA personnel working for the crew around the clock, trying to keep them safe in orbit, and to get them home alive ... and while the astronauts are still in flight! -- that NASA was suddenly, indefinitely--

Grounding the entire Shuttle Program!

Why not simply wait?

Why did NASA make its shocking announcement (certainly, to many of its NASA personnel, if not the Discovery crew itself) ... at (to me) precisely the wrong time--

In the middle of a Mission??!!

Why, indeed ...?

Morale is critical in any successful organization, certainly in a large-scale, complex operation such as a "manned" space mission. Literally thousands of people are involved in the Discovery Mission, from the managers at the top ... to the lowliest guy who sweeps the floor in the VAB, who's now specifically tasked with the critical job of looking for debris which could damage even one of those extremely fragile tiles ....

Why deliberately put all those people in a psychological tailspin -- by "blurting out," within literally hours after lifetoff -- at the very Beginnings of this long-anticipated Mission -- in effect, that "countless NASA personnel and NASA contractors' efforts had been wasted over these preceeding two and half years ...? Why tell them so precipitously, that the entire Shuttle Program has once

Especially now that the fleet is grounded once more with Discovery
still in orbit; it is VITAL that ALL space enthusiasts write, fax,
call, and email their political representatives and their local and
mainstream media. In your own words you need to point out that Area
51 HAS superior technological aerodynamic machines than ANY other
place on the planet. Don't THEY have something better and safer than
the shuttle for getting into orbit? Why doesn't the media and
political and defense leadership honestly address this question?
Should Astronauts continue to be sacrificed for some false sense of
national security when better access to space exists at Area 51 and
the Utah Facilities and other bases around the globe in the deepblack
projects of DARPA? America has no 'space fleet' right now capable of
flying by mainstream standards and we are once more dependant on the
Russians for rides to space. Soon we'll have to include the Chinese
as well.

From the DisclsoureProject.org we KNOW from Astronauts, Military,
Governmental FAA, FBI, DMA, CIA, DARPA, Pentagon personnel from
AirForce, Marines, Navy, Army, CoastGuard and even civilian persons
of note have made sworn testimony they would like to get before
congress that America already HAS and is USING anti-gravity
propulsion technology to go from ground to orbit and beyond easily,
safely and routinely. One of the main reasons for secrecy is not
only the technology of how it is done, but especially the fact that
humanity is not alone in the Solar System, much less the Universe
itself.

This denial and refusal to LOOK with a SERIOUS intent on
declassifying SOME of the Area 51 aerospace capabilities will
continue to cost Astronaut lives, billions in wasted tax dollars, and
a lost of the American vision and dream. We will not shape the
political and economics of the coming Solar System dynamics.

You can help change this by writing, calling, faxing, emailing the
prattling politicians, the babbling beaurocrats, the mindless media
minions both local and national. The time for Area 51 to come out of
the closet is NOW !

http://www.enterprisemission.com/help.htm

It is time to stop throwing dice with Astronaut lives in a game that
is rigged against them to begin with. This is like not providing
proper armor to our troops in the first years of this Iraq war. We
are not providing the BEST aerospace capabilities to our space
effort. It really IS that simple. I thank creation people like
Richard are holding NASA's feet to the fire. We need to also act in
concert and make our voices heard.

Say what you mean and mean what you say.

Don't make promises and policies you don't intend to keep and to keep
the policies and promises you do make.

ACTIONS speak louder than words.
ACTIONS are PROOF of intent.
ACTIONS are the final judgement of character.

It REALLY is that simple.

Bob... :D
http://www.commonsensecentral.com/

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images_v2/Iapetus /Iapetus-Color-High-Res.jpg

This guy alone probably tipped the scales considerably...

If it is indeed true that Saturn's rotation is slowing, then something very strange is happening with that planet.

The only thing a not especially well-educated person like me can make of this observation is that there is mass migrating upward from Saturn's core, thereby slowing the rotation down. Then again, there are the physicists who posit the existence of strange "hyperdimensional" effects to account for the Saturn behavior.

I don't know why this hasn't received more coverage: Iapetus

Maybe you've all seen this already, so I don't know if anyone cares. Basically, Iapetus is not spherical! It is an enormous Buckmister-Fuller skeletal structure! It has also been observed from earth (with radio telescopes) to have a dull, uniform radar signature despite its obvious surface features - but consistent with its unusual, non-spherical geometry. ie: it's stealthy!

There is a 60 000 foot high 'wall' around its equator - perfectly around its equator. This is an impossibly coincidental geological feature. But again, it is empirically consistent with a gradual surface erosion which will reveal an underlying bucky-fuller skeleton.

What could very possibly be an alien artefact has been hushed up. NASA continually draws more attention to Titan, but it's the outermost Iapetus that is far more intriguing. If it wasn't so, how come NASA has scheduled an originally unplanned second flyby?! No, I am not wearing a tin-foil hat!

Don't be fooled by the "Titan smokescreen" (my term for it). Iapetus ('eye-app-e-tis') is the truly significant Cassini investigation.

Enjoy,

Raj

Its a, uh.... Deathstar! [ofn alert] http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm