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You made the following explicit claim (emphasis added):

The first one was when incels and Jordan Peterson demanded that women have sex with them to prevent mass murders.

You provided the following links, neither of which mention Jordan Peterson:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://forward.com/schmooze/4...

You mention 'Robin Hanson's blog' but did not provide any link. Assuming you meant the following link from one of the articles, it does not mention Jordan Peterson either:

http://www.overcomingbias.com/...

So you have not provided any citation where Jordan Peterson is even mentioned, let alone that he specifically "demanded that women have sex with them to prevent mass murders". Apparently your sources refer to "incels" for the first part of your claim, but the second part is unsubstantiated by the citations:

Jordan Peterson demanded that women have sex with them to prevent mass murders.

One could assert in a similar manner that "Donald Trump and PopeRatzo bragged about grabbing women by the pussy" and cite cnn.com with the same level of evidence you as what you had provided: i.e. absolutely none for the second party mentioned, who is never mentioned in any of the linked sources.

So do you have any actual evidence -- specifically an unabridged direct quote of him for the full context -- that Jordan Peterson "demanded that women have sex with [him] to prevent mass murders"?

Citation of a specific, direct, demand with a threat please.

Since you said, "please", here you go:

Elliot Rodger, the Isla Vista killer, uploaded a video to YouTube about his “retribution” against attractive women who wouldn’t sleep with him (and the attractive men they would sleep with) before killing six people in 2014.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

And this is directly from Robin Hanson's blog:

"One might plausibly argue that those with much less access to sex suffer to a similar degree as those with low income, and might similarly hope to gain from organizing around this identity, to lobby for redistribution along this axis and to at least implicitly threaten violence if their demands are not met. As with income inequality, most folks concerned about sex inequality might explicitly reject violence as a method, at least for now, and yet still be encouraged privately when the possibility of violence helps move others to support their policies. (Sex could be directly redistributed, or cash might be redistributed in compensation.)"

But really, the demand for sex with a threat of violence has been a tool of losers and incels for millennia:

https://forward.com/schmooze/4...

If none of that satisfies you, I would direct you to the /incel section of 4chan or reddit.

but you're doing a bang up job of blaming the victim. You do know that poor people don't actually go after whitey, no matter what Charles Manson tells you (read the article, I'm not just trolling).

Poor people overwhelmingly commit crimes against other poor people. That makes sense. I've experienced the reason personally when I moved to a well to do area after landing a nice job and got followed around by cops in my junker car for 3 weeks until they learned I was harmless. If you're poor in a rich neighborhood and you're not cleaning their pools or mowing their lawns you stand out like a sore thumb. If you keep showing up you're liable to get pulled over and have some trumped up drug charges thrown at you. Heck, our entire drug war is a combination of subsidies for private prisons (who couldn't survive w/o the huge numbers of non-violent drug offenders that are cheap to house) and excuse to screw with minorities. Ever look up the history of why Marijuana is illegal? Hint, migrant farm workers from a certain country liked it and it was a great way to kick 'em out of the country at the end of the season.

DWS talking about weaponizing Bernie's Jewish background. She was 100% in the tank for Hillary and did everything she could to ensure Hillary won the primaries. Say what you will about Priebus, but he at least played it neutral with the GOP field...

He was labeled anti-black for reasons I have yet to be able to find.

Donald Trump violated the civil rights act by refusing to rent homes to black people.

* http://www.nytimes.com/times-i...
* http://new.www.huffingtonpost....
* http://www.thedailybeast.com/a...
* http://www.newyorker.com/magaz...

Trump continued to refuse to rent homes to black people three years after Justice Department ruling on the matter sides against Trump.

* http://www.nytimes.com/1978/03...
* http://www.nytimes.com/1983/10...

Trump ordered blacks to leave casino floor whenever him or wife arrives on property.

* http://www.newyorker.com/magaz...

1991 book written by Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino President quotes Trump as saying:

"I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day⦠. I think the guy is lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It's not anything they can control."

* http://articles.philly.com/199...

Trump built a casino in black majority city and breaks promise to mayor about hiring locals, refrains to hire the minorities and opting to staff the casino with almost exclusively all Caucasian employees.

* http://www.nydailynews.com/arc...

Trump was asked about replacing TSA's 'heebeejabis' with veterans, responded with:

"We're looking at it"

* http://www.npr.org/2016/06/30/...
* http://www.businessinsider.com...
* http://time.com/4039658/trump-...

Trump responded to accusations of racism by hiring a former aid for Joseph McCarthy to sue the government for half a billion dollars.

* http://www.salon.com/2011/04/2...

Trump kept books of Hitler Speeches by his bed.

* http://www.businessinsider.com...
* http://forward.com/the-assimil...
* http://www.gq.com/story/donald...

Trump's campaign photoshopped a white model black.

* http://www.huffington

The cases where Polish people harm Jews were rare.

Much as I would like to believe that, because I grew up with a lot of Polish friends, it doesn't seem to be true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

My response is, let the historians figure out what happened, when they do let's face the truth, and move on to forgiveness and reconciliation. http://forward.com/news/world/...

Or this is an attempt to stop the scourge of baby assassins. You have to worry about those kids, they are the terrorists from within: http://forward.com/opinion/176...

It should be noted that the author of the report retracted the claim that it was Israeli government policy to deliberately target civilians. Read the whole wikipedia article or google it for details, TLDR: The report stated that both Hamas and Israel targeted civilians, then the part about Israel targeting civilians was retracted because the author concluded that his sources were bias and inaccurate. Even with that having happened, the anti-Israel crowd still quote the redacted parts of the report because it fits their narrative, and fail to mention the part about Hamas targeting civilians.

In true hasbara style, you are lying about the Wikipedia article. I'm astounded by these Israelis. They tell a lie, even when it's easy for anyone to look it up and find out that it's a lie:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

On 1 April 2011, Goldstone published a piece in The Washington Post titled 'Reconsidering the Goldstone Report on Israel and war crimes'. Goldstone noted that the subsequent investigations by Israel and recognized in the U.N. committee's report "indicate that civilians were not intentionally targeted as a matter of policy" while "the crimes allegedly committed by Hamas were intentional goes without saying." The other principal authors of the UN report, Hina Jilani, Christine Chinkin and Desmond Travers, have rejected Goldstone's reassessment arguing that there is "no justification for any demand or expectation for reconsideration of the report as nothing of substance has appeared that would in anyway change the context, findings or conclusions of that report with respect to any of the parties to the Gaza conflict".[15][16] According to journalist Connie Bruck, writing in the The New Yorker magazine, "Goldstone came under such pressure that threats were made to ban him from his grandson's bar mitzvah at a Johannesburg synagogue."[220] ...

Also Goldstone maintained that, although the one correction should be made, he had "no reason to believe any part of the report needs to be reconsidered at this time" and that he didn't plan to pursue nullifying the report.[229]

That pressure included Alan Dershowitz telling fanatics that Jewish law allows them to assassinate Goldstone. http://forward.com/news/breaki...

I met Desmond Travers after Goldstone's letter, and Travers made it clear that Goldstone was speaking for himself, and the report hadn't retracted anything.

This was documented by investigators from the Goldstone Commission, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Ha'aretz, the New York Times, Washington Post, Independent, and others. The Israelis never investigated. I'll tell you what Israeli Ambassador Ron Prosor said: They're all lying. Goldstone, AI, HRW, Ha'aretz, NYT, WP, they're all lying. They're all Jews who have gone over to the anti-Semites

Did Goldstone, AI, HRW, Ha'aretz, NYT, and WP see it themselves? They're all quoting the same Palestinian sources, which offered no evidence. No hospital records for the child who was allegedly hospitalised and left disabled, not the child herself, and no bodies or graves for the children allegedly killed.

In other words, Palestinians say that Israelis committed war crimes, and everyone believes them without even asking to see the evidence which must exist if it's true.

Yes, the Goldstone commission, B'Tselem and Amnesty International sent investigators to the location to examine the scene and interview eyewitnesses. So did the newspapers. The BBC sent a crew to the scene and to the hospital (in Egypt, I think) and filmed Samar in a hospital bed. An eyewitness told an investigator that one of the soldiers had been sitting on top of the tank eating potato chips. The investigator found an Israeli potato chip bag on the scene.

The Israelis, for their part, refused to cooperate with the investigators. They didn't talk to the Palestinian eyewitnesses, so they have no way of knowing what actually happened.

This is not just one incident, but part of a pattern. You can search the Goldstone report for "white flag" and find many reliable accounts of Palestinians who were killed while following orders and waving white flags.

There were many incidents, over the occupation, in which there were eyewitnesses, photos, videos, and even testimony by the soldiers involved. There were cases that several members of the international press saw first-hand, like the Gaza beach killings of boys. The Israeli government simply denies it all out of hand.

I've dealt with Israeli officials, and what impressed me was that they lied. They misquoted Palestinian articles in magazines and newspaper interviews about things that you could look up in the library. Some people in public relations believe that you should tell the truth (whenever possible), because once you get caught in a lie, you lose your credibility. The Israeli government doesn't believe that. For example:

http://forward.com/opinion/310...
Michael Oren vs. The New York Times
Larry Cohler-Esses
June 20, 2015
(Book review of Michael B. Oren’s ‘Ally: My Journey Across the American-Israeli Divide’)
In a section entitled, ironically enough, “Hatchet Jobs,” Oren bitterly attacks The New York Times opinion page as the “most malicious,” and goes after its editor, Andrew Rosenthal, with an account of a conversation that sounds absolutely outrageous.
Oren’s ire was focused on Rosenthal’s decision to publish a piece by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in which, he writes, “Abbas suggested that the Arabs had accepted the U.N.’s Partition Plan in 1947 while Israel rejected it.”
There are three big problems with Oren’s account. The first, and most important, is that nowhere in his piece of May 17, 2011 does Abbas assert that “the Arabs had accepted the U.N.’s Partition Plan in 1947 while Israel rejected it.”

It sounds like you are a diehard supporter of the Likud, and no facts will ever convince you that Israel has committed brutal crimes or that peace with the Arabs is possible. I'm not writing for you, I'm writing for the benefit of other readers who are open to reason.

There are two solutions. One is for Israel to continue on its present unsust

Sorry, I fail to see, how mere racism or sexism can lead to a boycott, while abuse of a suspect gets a pass. And not just once either!

Regarding Exodus, you can't see the difference between a director/writer saying "I did it because ACTION (aka, the Micheal Bay reason)" and "I did it because fuck your race/gender/sexual orientation"?

Regarding Frozen, feminazis* don't work on logic to begin with.
*Who are merely a minority among feminists, though a very vocal one. And it kinda sickens me that I felt the need to explain that I am not saying that all feminists are feminazis.

They get away with lots of things in movies that are not acceptable in real life.

Sorry, I fail to see, how mere racism or sexism can lead to a boycott, while abuse of a suspect gets a pass. And not just once either!

Likewise, if Captain Steven Hiller — Will Smith's character in Independence Day — can be a hero despite beating and otherwise abusing a prisoner, the morons of Abu Ghraib have their excuse...

The real life vs. fiction may explain the legal responsibility, but the moral condemnation of such actions should not be any different between the real and imaginary worlds.

Let me guess, your search term was "Zionist lies from Slashdot"?

Because a few moments of googling for ME turned up the following links, which certainly suggest that the climate in France is certainly not particularly warm to Jewish people and moderate Muslims:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
http://www.theatlantic.com/int...
http://time.com/3694100/france...
http://www.npr.org/blogs/paral...
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb...
http://forward.com/news/breaki...

Please proceed to tell us about how all of these articles are just more examples of crackpot, Zionist activity.

OK, here's a recent article about a US lawyer who has friends in ISIS and was negotiating with them for the release of a hostage, the American aid worker Peter Kassig who was ultimately murdered by ISIS. The terms of the proposed hostage release:

If consummated, the negotiations in which Cohen was involved would have included an agreement by ISIS to halt all kidnappings and beheadings of civilians; in exchange for this, Maqdisi and Abu Qatada, another widely respected jihadist theologian, would have agreed to cease and desist their scathing public denunciations of ISIS.

Citation:

http://forward.com/articles/211631/stanley-cohens-radical-detour-on-the-way-to-prison/?p=all

So yeah, there are some influential Muslims who speak out, but you know, they can get murdered also for doing so. How many non-Muslim people do you know who will open themselves up to terrorist attack to speak out against injustice?

Courage is in short supply in this world no matter the religious affiliation, ethnic group, skin color, etc.

If public safety is his concern, there are many more dangerous things than terrorism :
americans-are-as-likely-to-be-killed-by-their-own-furniture-as-by-terrorism
us-police-murdered-5000-innocent-civilians-since-911
more-killed-by-toddlers-than-terrorists-in-us
Dead right you should think of the children. They're dangerous.

This guy? Sounds like he might have been up to something else:

http://forward.com/articles/151432/what-did-alan-gross-do-in-cuba/?p=all

"Mordechai Kedar, a professor at Bar Illan University, last week issued a statement calling on IDF soldiers to rape Palestinian women as “The only thing that can deter terrorists" (Palestinian resistance against Israel’s decades-old illegal occupation)."

Where are the moderate Jews who repudiate this man's extremism? Why don't they come forward. Because there ARE NO "moderate Zionists".

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.606542

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/22/right-wing-professor-raping-arab-women-is-the-only-thing-that-deters-suicide-bombers/

http://forward.com/articles/202558/israeli-professor-suggests-rape-would-serve-as-ter/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/23/1315958/-Rape-is-a-WAR-CRIME-even-for-the-sisters-and-wives-of-suicide-bombers

Israel claims that it is merely exercising its right to self-defense and that Gaza is no longer occupied. Here’s what you need to know about these talking points and more.

Israel has killed almost 800 Palestinians in the past twenty-one days in the Gaza Strip alone; its onslaught continues. The UN estimates that more than 74 percent of those killed are civilians. That is to be expected in a population of 1.8 million where the number of Hamas members is approximately 15,000. Israel does not deny that it killed those Palestinians using modern aerial technology and precise weaponry courtesy of the world’s only superpower. In fact, it does not even deny that they are civilians.

Israel’s propaganda machine, however, insists that these Palestinians wanted to die (“culture of martyrdom”), staged their own death (“telegenically dead”) or were the tragic victims of Hamas’s use of civilian infrastructure for military purposes (“human shielding”). In all instances, the military power is blaming the victims for their own deaths, accusing them of devaluing life and attributing this disregard to cultural bankruptcy. In effect, Israel—along with uncritical mainstream media that unquestionably accept this discourse—dehumanizes Palestinians, deprives them even of their victimhood and legitimizes egregious human rights and legal violations.

This is not the first time. The gruesome images of decapitated children’s bodies and stolen innocence on Gaza’s shores are a dreadful repeat of Israel’s assault on Gaza in November 2012 and winter 2008–09. Not only are the military tactics the same but so too are the public relations efforts and the faulty legal arguments that underpin the attacks. Mainstream media news anchors are inexplicably accepting these arguments as fact.

Below I address five of Israel’s recurring talking points. I hope this proves useful to newsmakers.

1) Israel is exercising its right to self-defense.

As the occupying power of the Gaza Strip, and the Palestinian Territories more broadly, Israel has an obligation and a duty to protect the civilians under its occupation. It governs by military and law enforcement authority to maintain order, protect itself and protect the civilian population under its occupation. It cannot simultaneously occupy the territory, thus usurping the self-governing powers that would otherwise belong to Palestinians, and declare war upon them. These contradictory policies (occupying a land and then declaring war on it) make the Palestinian population doubly vulnerable.

The precarious and unstable conditions in the Gaza Strip from which Palestinians suffer are Israel’s responsibility. Israel argues that it can invoke the right to self-defense under international law as defined in Article 51 of the UN Charter. The International Court of Justice, however, rejected this faulty legal interpretation in its 2004 Advisory Opinion. The ICJ explained that an armed attack that would trigger Article 51 must be attributable to a sovereign state, but the armed attacks by Palestinians emerge from within Israel’s jurisdictional control. Israel

Israel claims that it is merely exercising its right to self-defense and that Gaza is no longer occupied. Here’s what you need to know about these talking points and more.

Israel has killed almost 800 Palestinians in the past twenty-one days in the Gaza Strip alone; its onslaught continues. The UN estimates that more than 74 percent of those killed are civilians. That is to be expected in a population of 1.8 million where the number of Hamas members is approximately 15,000. Israel does not deny that it killed those Palestinians using modern aerial technology and precise weaponry courtesy of the world’s only superpower. In fact, it does not even deny that they are civilians.

Israel’s propaganda machine, however, insists that these Palestinians wanted to die (“culture of martyrdom”), staged their own death (“telegenically dead”) or were the tragic victims of Hamas’s use of civilian infrastructure for military purposes (“human shielding”). In all instances, the military power is blaming the victims for their own deaths, accusing them of devaluing life and attributing this disregard to cultural bankruptcy. In effect, Israel—along with uncritical mainstream media that unquestionably accept this discourse—dehumanizes Palestinians, deprives them even of their victimhood and legitimizes egregious human rights and legal violations.

This is not the first time. The gruesome images of decapitated children’s bodies and stolen innocence on Gaza’s shores are a dreadful repeat of Israel’s assault on Gaza in November 2012 and winter 2008–09. Not only are the military tactics the same but so too are the public relations efforts and the faulty legal arguments that underpin the attacks. Mainstream media news anchors are inexplicably accepting these arguments as fact.

Below I address five of Israel’s recurring talking points. I hope this proves useful to newsmakers.

1) Israel is exercising its right to self-defense.

As the occupying power of the Gaza Strip, and the Palestinian Territories more broadly, Israel has an obligation and a duty to protect the civilians under its occupation. It governs by military and law enforcement authority to maintain order, protect itself and protect the civilian population under its occupation. It cannot simultaneously occupy the territory, thus usurping the self-governing powers that would otherwise belong to Palestinians, and declare war upon them. These contradictory policies (occupying a land and then declaring war on it) make the Palestinian population doubly vulnerable.

The precarious and unstable conditions in the Gaza Strip from which Palestinians suffer are Israel’s responsibility. Israel argues that it can invoke the right to self-defense under international law as defined in Article 51 of the UN Charter. The International Court of Justice, however, rejected this faulty legal interpretation in its 2004 Advisory Opinion. The ICJ explained that an armed attack that would trigger Article 51 must be attributable to a sovereign state, but the armed attacks by Palestinians emerge from within Israel’s jurisdictional control. Israel does have the right to

Here is an official rebuttal of one if Goldberg's recent articles.

That's not mainstream Judaism. That's a Haredi institution. They're not just anti-evolution. They're anti-TV, anti-Internet, anti-movies, anti-newspaper reading, anti birth control, anti public library usage, anti knowing the language of the country they're in, anti wearing colors, anti female equality... The sect is set up to give kids no option other than to stay in the Haredi community and overdose on religion for their entire lives.

It's a lot like Shia Islam, down to the beards. There's even a Haredi group in Canada that wants to move to Iran because Canada won't let them abuse their kids.

In the United States, Antisemitism overwhelmingly comes from the political left, both the Occupy Wall Street crowd and the victimhood identity politics left that regard Islamists and Palestinians as protected species.

This accusation is so utterly stupid that it requires a Jew smarter than me to answer it.
http://forward.com/workspace/assets/images/articles/Eli_OWS_greyscale-FINAL-greyscale-for-web.jpg

oh ok http://forward.com/articles/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/?p=all

If you don't think the Israeli model would cost more, then you don't understand the Israeli model.

A number of articles have examined the issue:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aFyfihM1e3G4&refer=politics
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/01/07/would_you_pay_25_for_71_seconds_of_scrutiny_in_an_airport
http://forward.com/articles/122781/israel-s-airport-security-object-of-envy-is-hard/
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/11/20/counterproductive_airport_security_does_tsa_cause_more_deaths_than_it_prevents.html
http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/aviation-security-and-the-israeli-model/#more-27215

This book looks at the entire cost-benefit equation:
http://www.amazon.com/books/dp/0199795762

The Soviet Union used to tightly control emigration. Under Stalin there was considerable repression. There was a lot of back and forth with the West on the issue, and internal Jewish dissidents pressuring for it. Over time the policy became more liberal.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/fsuemig.html
http://forward.com/articles/12254/declassified-kgb-study-illuminates-early-years-of-/

It was a horrific system for a very long time. (Some of the material in the videos is pretty rough.)

The Soviet Story (2008)
A Portrait of Stalin: Secret Police

There was a recently published book Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People By Harry Ostrer Oxford University Press. Read more: http://forward.com/articles/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/ It was widely heralded as showing "Jews Are a 'Race,' Genes Reveal" http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/dna-links-prove-jews-are-a-race-says-genetics-expert-1.428664 I did not see comments calling the book extremist or hateful words being used about the author. This man had a genetic test and he is some sort of devil. The same sort of tests are carried out on Jewish people are this is fine and dandy Why the hypocrisy? I see lots of anti-racist rhetoric. But it does make me wonder. Why is it bad for the politician to investigate his race but good for Jewish people to investigate theirs. It almost make me think there is denial of the White race. It makes me think this anti-racist rhetoric is really anti-White. I've seen posted: Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White. Looks like it is true for lots of posters here.

Did you read a different article?

Here is what it says in the article.

“The purpose of the [gathering] is for people to realize how terrible the Internet is and, of course, the best thing for every [good Jew] is not to allow it in his home at all,”

Read more: http://forward.com/articles/156102/orthodox-rally-for-a-more-kosher-internet/?p=all#ixzz1vWYuGChY

The event is organized and supported by the governing bodies of these communities.

The rally was organized by Ichud HaKehillos LeTohar HaMachane, led by Rabbi Moshe Drew.

The most recent protection of child molesters (that I've heard of) is organized by the office of District Attorney Charles Hynes.

Neither one is an absolute "governing body" of the Orthodox Jews who, as far as I know, do not actually have any form of central governance, being comprised of several distinct communities who all consider themselves "Orthodox".

>>>Sounds like they're trying to help people figure out how to USE the internet to their benefit, not how to censor it. Did you read a completely different article?

I guess. "Despite this new openness, the rabbis involved insist they still oppose the Internet. 'The purpose of the [gathering] is for people to realize how terrible the Internet is and, of course, the best thing for every [good Jew] is not to allow it in his home at all,' Rabbi Matisyahu Salomon told the Brooklyn Orthodox daily Hamodia. Salomon, spiritual guide of Beth Medrash Govoha, a large and prominent ultra-Orthodox yeshiva in Lakewood, N.J., is one of the lead sponsors of the CitiField rally. Internet without a filter, he told the paper, is 'treif gamur,' or completely unkosher."

Read more: http://forward.com/articles/156102/orthodox-rally-for-a-more-kosher-internet/?p=all#ixzz1vWBF4YoT

We should just bite the bullet : http://www.forward.com/articles/122781/

The Israel's airport security model is very effective. But it is very difficult to follow in the US. You can google for a number of sources such as this. Excerpt:

While American and European security procedures rely mainly on technological solutions for screening luggage and passengers, Israel’s security philosophy is based on a mix of advanced detection devices and personal interaction with the passengers.The multi-layer system begins outside Israel’s biggest port of entry — Ben Gurion airport. Cars approaching the terminal are stopped by guards and asked one or two questions, usually about where they are coming from or what is the purpose of their visit. A nervous response, or one revealing an Arab accent, could trigger further scrutiny even before entering the airport.

When walking into the terminal, visitors pass by another set of security agents searching for passengers behaving suspiciously. The next stop for human evaluation is before the check-in counter, where passengers are required to show their travel documents and answer a series of seemingly standard questions from trained security personnel. (Did you pack your bags by yourself? How long did you spend in Israel? What was the purpose of your visit?) Screeners are interested more in the tone and body language than in the content of passengers’ replies.

This is also the point where profiling takes place: While most Jewish Israeli citizens will be waved through after the brief conversation, others, mainly Israeli Arabs and non-Jewish visitors, will be taken aside for lengthy questioning and a thorough luggage and physical check.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2102081.stm

There was clearly a tank crew that did something very terrible some 8 years ago, killing two children (and most likely not in a completely accidental incident).

That's awful and those people should be in jail.

But unfortunately for your inane argument, it has nothing to do with your original statement. At all. You could point to dozens of incidents in Afghanistan over the last few years where children have been killed by US soldiers. Some where accidental, some might have been less so. Only a couple have resulted in criminal convictions.

Can you then make the absurdly broad generalization "America doesn't value non-American lives"? Of course not. It's not true. Do Americans get more upset when Americans die than when foreigners die? Probably true, but it's true of almost any tribal, national or ethnic group on earth and your extension of that to an absurdity creates a straw man that's trivial to beat down.

Furthermore, you have now changed your original statement around, from referring to all non-Jews, to referring to "an Arab or a Moslem".

Finally, you cite the existence of settlements as evidence, when the majority of Israelis *oppose* the creation of new settlements in the West Bank. And in fact, 46% of Israelis oppose the expansion of settlements within East Jerusalem too (a more contentious issue than the West Bank settlements). Furthermore, since 2001 the majority of Israelis have supported the dismantling of most West Bank settlements in exchange for a peace agreement. See, for example, here for some recent poll results.

In short, presenting Israel as a monolithic entity with a single view on settlements or with a uniform view attributing no value to non-Jewish lives is absurd. You are wrong and you won't get anywhere in discussion with rational people until you tone down the nonsensical rhetoric.

"The US has been openly anti-racist in its policies for the last 50 years. In Iran, being a Jew is essentially a crime in and of itself."

There are Jews in the Iranian parliament. Sorry to burst your bubble little guy. Try again.

http://www.forward.com/articles/iranian-jews-rejec t-outside-calls-to-leave-1/
"It might seem strange," said Javedanfar, the Israel-based expert, "but they can travel to Israel and other places, come back [to Iran] and have a comfortable Jewish life, as long as they keep quiet about Israel."

Despite the limitations of both data sets, several findings are of interest. The poverty rate is 28 percent among the Hezbollah militants and 33 percent for the population. In terms of education the Hezbollah fighters are more likely to have attended secondary school than are people in the general population (47 versus 38 percent). The results suggest that poverty is inversely related, and education positively related, to the likelihood that someone becomes a Hezbollah fighter.

Similarly, Claude Berrebi, a graduate student in economics at Princeton, has studied the characteristics of recent suicide bombers in Israel. From information on the Web sites of Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Hamas, he was able to paint a statistical picture of suicide bombers. He compared that to survey-based data on the broader Palestinian population of roughly comparable age. His results indicate that suicide bombers are less than half as likely to come from impoverished families than is the population as a whole. In addition, more than half of the suicide bombers had attended school after high school, while less than 15 percent of the population in the same age group had any post-high-school education.

Study Finds Most Bombers Are Educated

The study, released this month by an Israeli think tank, looked at the 163 Palestinians -- 155 men and 8 women -- who killed themselves while attacking Israeli targets between September 2000 and December 2005. It found that almost a quarter (37 individuals) graduated from college and another quarter (39) from high school. There is no clear information about the education level of 76 of the suicide bombers, but researchers at the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, which published the study, assumed that many of these terrorists also had achieved high levels of education.

"This illustrates what we have been saying for years, which is that the chief motivating factor for suicide terrorism is ideology, a conviction that the cause is just, and not simple-mindedness or economic distress," said Yoram Kahati, senior research fellow at the center. Palestinian suicide terrorism, he said, is typically a product of a combustible combination of militant ideological fervor and a personal or collective sense of hopelessness. "These are people who are not stupid, yet are absolutely convinced that they are doing the right thing by sacrificing their lives," Kahati said.....

"This corresponds with the worldwide pattern" of the typical suicide bomber "and shatters a lot of our simplistic assumptions that if we cure the world of poverty, terrorism will go away," said Bruce Hoffman, a leading counter-terrorism expert who heads the Rand Corporation's Washington office. Suicide terrorism "is a much more complex phenomenon, not amenable to any simple cause or simple solution," he said.

Even for Shoe Bombers, Education and Success Are Linked

THE fifth anniversary of 9/11 passed with a great deal of hand-wringing over all the people who want to kill Americans. Especially worrisome is the apparent rise of terrorists whose origins seem far from fanatical.

These terrorists are not desperately poor uneducated people from the Middle East. A surprisingly l

How does any of that change the ideological basis for most of today's current terrorism? IE, Islam, literally, submission.

Such twisted bullshit. The majority of muslims live in states that suffer either directly or indirectly from oppresive policies of the west. They happen to be muslim because in large part western oil addiction funds the evangelical equivalent of muslim missionaries.

The guy who just went on a shooting spree in a Jewish community center was apparently very well employed, and what came of it? Murder.

Holy shit, you only see what you want to see don't you?

The guy was constantly between jobs, had an engineering degree and had trouble keeping even unskilled jobs like retail clerk at home depot. That's not even close to "very well employed."

The guy was also baptized about a year ago. So much for your islam is a terrorist religion bullshit.

He was due to stand trial on charges of lewd conduct the thursday following the shooting. Considering how strict his family was, and his history of mental illness for which he had been prescribed lithium it is a lot more reasonable to conclude that he felt overwhelmed by life and decided to do something crazy instead.

Moreover, many US Muslims, despite having everything you wish to give terrorists, sympathize with or outright finance terrorists.

Convenient conjoing of two very disparate claims "sympathize" and "finance" -- most critical thinkers, muslim or not, "sympathize" because they understand what leads people to make desperate acts. But that's a far cry from finance and your blending of two is just an obvious display of bias.

We are fighting people who think it is the will of Allah to convert you to Islam, make you submit as a Dhimmi, or kill you.

The extremist salafists who believe that (the Qutbi) are a tiny minoritiy of muslims, they are even a minority of salafists. Your attempt to ascribe the motives of less than 0.1% of all muslims world-wide to the majority of muslims is disingenious at best. It's like pointing to the KKK and saying they represent the majority of christains.

Go crawl back in your hole you troll.

One of the authors of the Washington Post article cited above is Rita Katz, director of the stupidly named "The Search for International Terrorist Entities (SITE), which seems to be an asinine play on SETI. The SITE website is actually very light on real original content. As I revisited it tonight, I found that they have given citation for their copy and paste of the US State Department's Patterns of Global Terrorism 2003 Report, which is the entire contents of SITE's "terrorism library". A year ago, they did not offer this bit of enlightening data. This should be enough to question the veracity of the whole story.

Katz obtained a degree from the Middle Eastern Studies program at Tel Aviv University, and is speaks Hebrew and Arabic. She emigrated to the US in 1997. She has both personal and financial issues which could bias her analysis.

• Katz is Iraqi born, and her father was tried and executed as an Israeli spy, whereupon her family emigrated to Israel.
• Katz is/was a paid consultant for the law firm, Motley-Rice, which file a 1 trillion dollar lawsuit on behalf of the 911 WTC victims.
• Katz is author of the book Terrorist Hunter (HarperCollins, 2003) in which she writes of infiltrating US-based Arab groups to investigate terrorist connections as a private investigator, and receives a plug for the book in every bio blurb that is published with her articles.

Katz got her terrorism expert start working for Stephen Emerson, who himself has credibility issues.

Katz was the anonymous source for a 60 Minutes segment that alleged a chicken farm supported terrorism, and for which both CBS and Katz were sued by Gainesville, Georgia based Mar-Jac Poultry Inc., as well as two Virginia-based muslim charity orgs, for libel.

Katz was also a principle player an an egregious example of of post-911 governmental misuse of prosecutorial powers in the case brought against a Saudi Arabian Computer Science doctoral student at the University of Idaho, Sami al-Hussayen.

Al-Hussayen was charged with giving material support to terrorist, for doing volunteer web mastering of the site of the Islamic Assembly of North America, an organization which the government has never charged. He was also charged with 11 minor visa violations, one being that his student visa didn't allow him to work, and he had received $300 from the Islamic Assembly of North America spread out over his five years of volunteer work for it.

The jury in Idaho acquitted on all three terrorism charges, and 3 of the visa charges, but hung on the remaining 8 visa charges.

The main thrust of the material support charges stemmed from the website Al-Hussayen worked on having published 4 fatwas by 4 radical immans on it. A government expert witness blew holes in that theory when he admitted that he had published the very same speeches on his anti-terrorism website.

When Katz testified, she admitted to the same visa violations that Al-Hussayen was charge with, only she had earned real money in violation of her entry terms.

Katz's testimony ended Friday with questioning about her own visa problems when she entered the United States. Katz testified that as a new immigrant in 1997, she misunderstood work permit requirements related to her visa and was employed, in at least one job and possibly two, before she was legally authorized to work. Under cross-examination, she acknowledged that she detailed those problems in her autobiographical book, in which she expressed disgust for burdensome government re

The music people are greedy and clever -- like this guy, Bronfman -- he's descended from Jewish bootleggers (organized criminals).

These people are very smart, and they want their money. E.g. they want that Google should pay them a cut of search-related ads.

You might think it is the height of chutzpah, but really, these are just greedy, Talmudic entertainment bosses who are used to living off the creative efforts of others. E.g. first the jazzmen, then rock n' rollers, and now "urban" musicians.

If I recall correctly, Bronfman (the name refers to making brandy, in German -- but Bronfman is as kosher as gefilte fish), is from a long line of alcohol makers. They supposedly made their fortune dealing in liquor illegally during Prohibition by making a huge fraction of the illegal alcohol sold in the US.

His daddy was in essence a kosher Pablo Escobar.

Little Bronfy himself presided over the shameful shakedown of Swiss banks in the 90s.

It doesn't surprise me at all that Little Bronfy vants his money.

Here are some references:

http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.06.07/news6. html
http://www.davidicke.net/tellthetruth/reststory/br onfmanking.html
http://www.blacksandjews.com/bronfman.html

Well, the fact that he was anti-authoritarian Jew that fit a certain type celebrated by some Jews was germane. The guy even had a pet parrot named after a Yiddish vulgarism, which he carried around the office. So yeah, he was very aware of his ethnicity, and quite in-your-face about it.

The comparison to Woody Allen, who had made fun of obstreperous Jews in the past was meant to evoke the type (Al Goldstein, Abbie Hoffman, Irv Rubin, etc.). When my boss rebelled against the authority figures, it was entirely habitual and natural to him, it would have taken great effort for him to comply entirely with their wishes. I genuinely wish more Americans were like this.

The fact that Rackspace rolled over like this and sent in the disks when the govt. just wnated logs makes me think they could use more backbone, which I why I brought up this guy. He never would have overcomplied like this, unless it was going to cost him big money.

-FL

Go here:

http://www.forward.com/issues/2001/01.11.30/news7. html

Then, and only if you feel like breaking the law, click here:

http://kinoko.c.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~duraid/stolen_scien ce/The_Origin_of_Palestinians_and_Their_Genetic_Re latedness_With_Other_Mediterranean_Populations.pdf

Actually, believe it or not, The Thing is Jewish. (Another article.)

"Actually, that's been public knowledge since the late 1990s, and large amounts of detail were released, based on Iraqi oil minstry records, well before the Commission reported."

Large amounts of detail have still not been released, even from the UN, who doesn't like to look for terror ties within its own organization.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

How on earth does this qualify as an extaordinary claim?

"If anywhere, Al Qaeda got some logistical support from Iran rather than Iraq, and those two countries were hardly allies."

So, out of curiosity, why is it that ben Laden, in 1998, all-of-a-sudden decides to mention Iraq throughout his speeches, when previously he gave them little notice?

http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.06.20/news2. html

9/11 commission never looked into oil-for-food

"One obvious "elsewhere" that no one seems to have seriously considered was Saddam's secret geyser of money, gushing from the so-called Oil-for-Food program. That possibility is not discussed in the 9/11 report, and apparently it was not included in the investigation. A 9/11 Commission spokesman confirms that the commission did not request Oil-for-Food documentation from the U.N., and none was offered."

What really stinks about comics are the way the one genre of teenage masturbatory power fantasy has taken over everything. I quite enjoyed those as well, but if 97% of the marketplace recycles the same plot pieces then it gets really boring. Imagine how boring a world with 97% of one genre of music would be (rap/country/classical). Whatever appreciation you had for the genre will die in over-exposure, simplistic plot lines without end, and just plain ennui.

Looking at movie storyboards (and by extension movies), it's curious why they're so varied in content while comics come no where near that level of diversity. As much as I like Alan Moore's Watchmen and Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns, they aren't really groundbreaking. They use some variations of the suparearo genre that aren't typically allowed (aging characters, indifference to humanity, continuity ended).

There is a spark left with titles like In the Shadow of No Towers, 52 Timil Deeps, Larry Gonnick's Cartoon History series.

I just wish it didn't seem like the whole of mainstream comics was awash with variations on the 47 plotlines dealing with superpowers.

Anthony Zinni is not stranger to the Middle East and Israel. He was the US mediator trying to end the current uprising there. He knows the players and the facts on the ground.

MORE MUSLIMS NOW SEE U.S., ISRAEL THE SAME WAY

Wayne Parry, Associated Press, 5/28/04

PATERSON, N.J. -- Israel's dealings with the Palestinians have long been the top grievance of many Muslims and Arab-Americans when they think about the Middle East.

But the prisoner abuse case and America's other setbacks in Iraq are increasingly linking the United States with Israel in the minds of many Muslims, who now equate American treatment of Iraqis with Israel treatment of Palestinians _ surely one of the last things President Bush hoped for when he authorized the war in Iraq.

"The more you look at Iraq, the more you see a replica of what is happening in the West Bank," said Hani Awadallah, president of the Arab-American Civic Organization in Paterson. "The story is no longer that we are there for liberation. It is clear to everybody that we are there as conquerors..."

Televised images of American troops battling insurgents in Iraq _ and graphic footage of wounded and dead civilians _ resonate among a Muslim community long used to seeing similar pictures beamed from Palestinian refugee camps.

At the Islamic Center of Passaic County, one of New Jersey's most influential mosques, many worshippers express concern.

"The same thing is happening in Iraq and in Palestine: One force has all the power and the other side is trying to defend itself and find its liberty," said Nabil Abbassi, the center's president.

"The whole reason we went to Iraq was to liberate it," he said. "What is going on is not liberation. All the problems of the people in the jail and the animosity toward the U.S. doesn't help us. It's definitely heading in the wrong direction. We're getting ourselves deeper and deeper into a quicksand situation."

Ahmed Shedeed, director of the Islamic Center of Jersey City, put it more succinctly: "An occupation is an occupation."

ISRAEL: NOW YOU SEE IT, NOW YOU DON'T

Robert L. Jamieson, Jr., Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 5/29/04

King County Democrats just pulled off a nifty magic trick.

They made Israel disappear.

Not the country, mind you, but the word -- as it had appeared in proposed language for the party's 2004 county platform.

The plank called for the United States to stop sending aid to Israel unless it treats the Palestinian people with dignity and respect. But when county Democrats, preparing for the big state convention, ironed out the final wrinkles of the platform Tuesday, "Israel" vanished.

Poof.

The whole thing makes me wonder if the "party of the people" is open to all so long as influential toes are not stepped on. Do that, and the Democrats suddenly become "the party of select folks who must be tip-toed around."

I'm talking, of course, about supporters of Israel.

This tale of abracadabra began May 8, when the King County Democratic Party gathered for a convention in Seattle. It was a time when thinking people could put forth thoughtful planks for the platform.

Naseem Tuffaha, a Seattle businessman and a voice of consciousness in the Arab American community, offered this: "We believe our tax dollars should not be sent to Israel while it is in violation of international law..."

ZINNI CHARGES NEOCONS PUSHED IRAQ WAR TO BENEFIT ISRAEL

Ori Nir And Ami Eden, Forward, 5/28/04

The simmering debate over the role of Jewish neoconservatives in drawing America into war in Iraq erupted with new fury this week. One of America's most respected ex-generals took to the airwaves to c

BTW, in case you haven't seen them yet, here are two more excellent links which go further:

http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.03.15/news2. html

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/pf/p-j030802.html

A NATION CHALLENGED: THE TALLY; Officials Say Number of Those Still Missing May Be Overstated

By ERIC LIPTON (NYT) 1217 words

It has become clear, though, that the question of foreign citizens has been the most problematic in efforts to keep the city's count accurate. Over the last several days, the city's list of the missing became inflated by what officials said were missing persons reports from consulates and embassies for countries including India and Israel.

But interviews with many consulate officials yesterday suggested that the lists of people they were collecting varied widely in their usefulness. For example, the city had somehow received reports of many Israelis feared missing at the site, and President Bush in his address to the country on Thursday night mentioned that about 130 Israelis had died in the attacks.

But today, Alon Pinkas, Israel's consul general here, said that lists of the missing included reports from people who had called in because, for instance, relatives in New York had not returned their phone calls from Israel. There were, in fact, only three Israelis who had been confirmed as dead: two on the planes and another who had been visiting the towers on business and who was identified and buried.

They are civically uninformed on a wide variety of issues, and push to make things worse in many cases.

You may think they push to make things worse; you may also think Bush's solution to stimulate economy is a good one. They may think they push to make things better, and may also think Bush's economic solution is a bad one. Either way, there are plenty of knowledgable, educated policy-makers (economists, in the above example) who debate these issues every day. To each their own I say, but to blindly charge them as being "civically uninformed" is just silly.

Thanks to moveon, an antisemite is the leading Dem candidate.

According to the recent polls, Lieberman is the leading candidate. If he is "antisemite", then Bush is a "compassionate conservative" (or whatever the latest feel-good label is).

I'll assume you mean Howard Dean, but to say moveon is responsible for his high placing in the polls is giving them far too much credit. They haven't 'endorsed' any one candidate yet, and Howard Dean has gotten where he is without any help from moveon (that I'm aware of). Howard Dean is also certainly *not* antisemitic - he has said his views are "closer to that of AIPAC's" - far too 'pro-semitic' in my opinion.

I think the most compelling evidence is the Odigo story originally reported in the Washington Post. They've since taken it down, but Haaretz still carries it.

You can of course find the text of the article in the Washington Post through Google.

That an Israeli company received advance warning of the attacks is interesting, given that The New York Times reports that only one Israeli died in the WTC. This suggests that the Odigo workers may not have been the only ones warned. It's worth noting too that the one Israeli who died was only there visiting, that is, they may not have known he was even going to be there.

Then there's the Israeli spy ring that was uncovered shortly after 9/11... the biggest spy ring ever uncovered in fact. Fox News had this story, of course, they too later took the story down, but it's archived here. The presence of the spys was largely confirmed by the Jewish publication, even if they sought a more benign explanation, but both accounts link these spies with the alleged 9/11 terrorists.

Finally, we have the Israelis who were dancing as the towers fell, and who appear to have been Mossad agents.

Is that enough? There's more you know. All of it sourced by mainstream/corporate media organizations, all of it far more damning than the largely imaginary case being made against al Qaeda and the 19 terrorists (seven of whom have been found to still be alive, BTW.

Ever hear of Flirting with Nazism?