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I do know the history - the nukes were dropped so the Japanese would surrender to the US instead of Russia who they had been in talks with about a surrender.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/t...

I'm not saying the Japanese were a bunch of innocent guys, I'm saying the US response was completely disproportionate to any real or perceived threat.

And I note you didn't go near Iraq - that one is pretty clear cut as not having anything to do with 9/11 at all.

The Persian gulf may be one of the more livable areas as we are sliding into the next era of global cooling.

After all, global temperatures have not increased now for over two decades... if CO2 (which has been rising) is warming the planet, a flat climate with no increase means the natural progression was actually cooling.

TSA agents continue to grope and oogle women through their clothing
http://www.globalresearch.ca/a...
http://time.com/3822487/tsa-se...

Bored people in the airline reservation system who pre-screen passenger names for security using, in part , known pictures of them continuer to amuse themselves by seating "twin strangers" right next to each other then laughing as the internet loses its shit at the crazy coincidence. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

Longman dictionary:
someone who uses violence such as bombing, shooting etc to obtain political demands

or, by their actions: "Insurgent" Eats Heart of Syrian Soldier, or Free Syrian Army allegedly trafficking in human organs. They are just like the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) which U.S supported before.
Moreover, U.S official admitted that they has trained only 'four or five' Syrian fighters against Isis, top general testifies, and it's cost about 500 M, and the U.S funded groups frequently desert or handed armors, weapons to the Al Qaeda.

it was rebels from Ukraine which were armed by Russia

False. Operating the Buk system is too complicated for "peaceful coal-miners" to have done it — certainly not the mere 3 months into the insurrection. It was Russian military — even if disguised as locals. Whether they targeted a passenger liner by mistake or deliberately is still a question, but it obviously was not the rebellious locals.

I'm pretty sure a good number of the commercial airplanes which were shot down could be attributed to the US.

For an accusation of such gravity, you better have more solid citations than your own "pretty sure". Do you?

Finally, Ukraine also shot a Russian commercial aircraft in 2001.

First of all, that was an honest mistake. Second, Ukraine hasn't denied it. And third — and most intriguing — the missile was fired from Crimea and the servicemen responsible are now all Russians. Temporarily.

And by the way, the US certainly played an important role in the current Ukrainian situation

Whether that's true or not, how is this relevant to the conversation?..

The ones who are in power right now in Ukraine had support from the US and Europe

So?.. Your desperation in trying to switch the topic is really showing. Mr. Kiselev would've done a better job — were he not busy blaming some non-existent Ukrainian jets for the crime.

Imagine if Russia was supporting a successful coup in Mexico.

Why imagine it in Mexico, when saw it actually happen in Cuba and, more recently, Venezuela? No passenger airliners were shot down in either place...

Go back to watching Kremlin-TV...

You're not going to get an argument from me that coal is bad. It is a shit industry, they don't want to change and you already know my opinions, based in knowledge of the appropriate bills, how and why the nuclear industry is still, like all of us, beholden to coal and oil.

I think you need to lay off the oil-nuclear conspiracy theories. And yes, that's what I'd relate them as. Nuclear has historically been a baseload electrical power source, with Oil only being used for emergency power(including at nuclear plants) in most areas. In the previous thread where you posted more on this, I was seriously off-put by your allegations.

'Coal' opposing nuclear is more understandable, but it's important to remember that coal isn't a single entity - and they're actually more in bed with each other than being opponents. A lot of coal power plant owners also own interests in nuclear.

You also know that I think Nuclear *could* be better if we could get past all of the people who think they are supporting it, but in reality are preventing it from evolving a safety culture. It needs to be divorced from private industry's profit motivation and moved into the domain of government where it can be managed with the same type of safety culture that exists in military installations.

You do realize that 1/3 of the major nuclear disasters was from a government controlled nuclear plant? If you go below 'catastrophic' and look at the behavior of government controlled plants, you'll find that their record is actually much worse than the commercial plants. That includes the USA and USSR.

Consider that for commercial plants that an accident means lost money, huge amounts of it. There's plenty of incentives to be safe.

Also, I've worked on military installations. 'Safety Culture'? We're not really any better than private industry. Also, consider that the USA hasn't had a major disaster since TMI, which is when we went through and drastically increased safety requirements, instituting drastically altered safety protocols. Defense in depth, automatic safety systems, etc...

Well, I think you need to read my comments about IAEA and WHO [slashdot.org] however I see that it has already been modded down, perhaps the facts are a little too confrontational. It doesn't matter - the real conversation about Nuclear power is always at -1 here at /.

Looked at that post. First, your citation as to the hazards of DU consists solely of a heart-string tugging google image search. In short, at best you have some coorelation there, but also a lot of images of birth defects that have nothing to do with Iraq, photoshopped images, fakes, and normal birth defects that happen in any population, especially when nutrition isn't that great and pre-natal care is relatively primitive. And you complained about me posting a yahoo news link?

Your second reference, which you claim supports a death toll of ~980k, doesn't say so at all. I see references of 4,000-93,000, the latter by greenpeace, which I've read as having problems since they pushed out most of their more scientific members.

What I could find of your higher figure, I see a number of issues that make me rate it as 'uncredible'. Consider global warming research - there are still papers written and published that deny it's existence, they're just not credible. To be blunt, it seems that they're counting 'all cancers' where another cause, such as smoking, isn't identified.

As for killing less than solar, I think it is clear that that is a contrived situation.

Contrived, how? Dead is dead, whether it's by radiation leak, lung cancer fr

This. Cops were dumb enough to give themselves testicular cancer by constantly irradiating their testicles back when laser guns first came out (by holding the gun between their legs while it was on). They will certainly be dumb enough to blast people with much more radiation than necessary with these devices. Cops are, after all, selected for low IQ.. Let's give them a ray gun that can give people cancer! What could possibly go wrong?

I like this one
http://www.globalresearch.ca/t...

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Before his next appearance on Fox, Kristol could do worse than peruse Professor Hamoud Salhi’s address, presented at the Center for Contemporary Conflict, of the (U.S.) Naval Postgraduate School in June 2004.(iii pdf) It is entitled: “Syria’s Threat to America’s National Interest.” It is arguably even more pertinent now – and another reminder of how long Syria has been in U.S. sights.

He opens: “Syria’s threat to America’s national interest in the Middle East can only be understood in the context of U.S. plans to reconfigure the Middle East. Knowing now that the motive for invading Iraq was strategic, taking over Syria would give the United States further strategic depth in the region tipping the balance of power (even more) in favour of the United States regional allies, Israel and Turkey.”

Salhi notes that “strategic pre-emption” is long central to American policy in the Middle East, citing Rapid Deployment Forces during the Carter Administration, Dual Containment under Clinton, Pre-emptive Doctrine under George W. Bush. Polices, he holds, which: “have been instrumental in maintaining hegemony in the region”, avoiding threats to U.S interests, or to those of Israel,Turkey and the Gulf States.

After the 1998 US-UK Christmas bombing of Baghdad drew world-wide criticism, Salhi points out that the often daily (illegal) bombing of Iraq by the two countries was stepped up, with often daily sorties, “using the latest technology” destroying what minimal economic infrastructure remained: “under the pretext that they represented future threats.” It was he contends, the “quiet war”, an ongoing tragedy little noticed by the world.

The ground was – literally – being prepared for invasion, the trigger finger ever itchier, any excuse sought. George W. Bush would later explain that invading Iraq was necessary: “ to advance freedom in the greater Middle East ” (Emphasis mine.)

11th September 2001 arguably gave the excuse to release the safety catches. On 20th September 2001 PNAC sent a letter to Bush: “ recommending the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, even if no direct link to the 9/11 attack were found.” Time to redeem American: “supremacy in global politics (and for) regime changes in Iraq, Iran and Syria.”

Michael Ledeen, foreign policy expert, another neo-con minded Fox News commentator, alleged to be a “strong admirer” of Niccolo Machiavelli, regarded 1991’s Desert Storm attack on Iraq as a woeful missed chance states Salhi. He notes Ledeen’s view that driving Iraqi troops from Kuwait was wholly inadequate. Strategy should have been: “regime change in Baghdad” (as) “one piece in an overall mission”, which should have been: “one battle against Iran, Iraq, Syria and Saudi Arabia.”

Addressing “The Syrian Threat”, Professor Salhi reminds of the U.S. Congress 2004 “Syria Accountability Act” which considerably financially weakened Syria’s fragile economy, with further aims clearly paving the way to regime change.

That achieved: “the United States will have completed its final stage of encircling Iran. This would further tip the region’s balance of power in favour of Israel and ultimately open new doors” for the U.S. “active involvement in toppling the Iranian regime.”
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Afghanistan is just a side gig, perhaps simply an opportunity to wage war even if it's strategically useless. The "revenge war against 911" narrative needs the US to go in Afghanistan : if you only attack Iraq, every one knows it's unjustified because there's no Al Qaeda or Bin

Newsflash. If you don't create problems for yourself in the first place, there will be no need for imperfect solutions.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/a...

Here is a prime example of your "foreign policy"

You idiots are the one who financed the Taliban, Osama bin-laden, and this brought upon 911 on yourself, and indirectly causing the rise of ISIS. The bottom half of this 1998 interview is the proof of that.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/a...

There are 1.5 billion of us. Believe me, if we really were the blood thirsty monsters that the sensationalist media makes us out to be, then these and thesestatistics would look a lot different. According to the FBI and Europol, between 90% and 99% of global terrorist acts are committed by non-Muslims.

Kinda skewers your narrative there, sparky. I see you have a nasty case of ignorant world view-itis. I prescribe a daily dose of reserch, along with a healthy diet of facts.

Nuclear power’s main energy competitor is of course Big Oil, which had no problem with nuclear weapons, but was not happy to lose its grip on the world’s major source of energy. Nuclear energy was not under their control, requiring by definition major government involvement and regulation of the industry. Its widespread use would leave Big Oil with falling profits, and would mean the end of Big Oil’s economic hegemony.

This led to a bizarre situation where oil companies both founded and funded ecology-related organisations, including the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies, Nature Conservancy, Greenpeace, Sierra Club and others to protest the peaceful use of nuclear power. These groups have all received backing from the oil industry, notably Atlantic Richfield Oil and BP

http://www.globalresearch.ca/b...

Of course, many still choose to believe and support big oil's agenda to the day.

Prison is not a deterrent: http://www.abc.net.au/pm/conte...
Prison increases recidivism: http://www.prisonpolicy.org/sc...

So what does prison actually do? It doesn't prevent crime, and it doesn't make it less likely someone will commit a crime in the future. You can say you're using it to keep violent criminals away from the public, but the truth in the US is way more creepy.

The reason prison is big in the US is because your government/corporations use it for cheap labour. Prison industry is big business with low overheads. That article also comes with some interesting statistics:

Ninety-seven percent of 125,000 federal inmates have been convicted of non-violent crimes. It is believed that more than half of the 623,000 inmates in municipal or county jails are innocent of the crimes they are accused of. Of these, the majority are awaiting trial. Two-thirds of the one million state prisoners have committed non-violent offences. Sixteen percent of the country’s 2 million prisoners suffer from mental illness.

But of course I'm sure you can tell me why prison works and it does any of the things that you think it does, when only 3% of incarcerated people are the kind of people you actually need to keep locked up and the rest are more likely to commit crimes after they've been in jail.

But that tiny power can cause a lot of damage if the exposure is for many hours a day for several years. Here's a story about the dangers of microwave radiation. Calling all non-ionizing radiation safe is quite careless.

You can't just say off-hand there is no harmful effects. They need to perform studies to reach that conclusion. And the study should be done by an independent agency, not the FCC or Samsung. That would be like letting the wolves guard the hen house.

The USA knows that Neo-fascists run Ukraine now and has been in favor of putting the far right into power. The USA has come full circle-- from defeating the far right in WW2 to helping put them in power. http://www.globalresearch.ca/t...

Well, among other things, he revealed that:

1) The NSA intercepts and stores virtually all communications sent on electronic networks anywhere it can reach. Not just metadata. In the case of phone calls, they also speech->text them and make that archive searchable.

http://rt.com/news/172284-nsa-...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/n...
http://www.theguardian.com/wor...

2) The NSA constantly works at ways to break into encrypted communications, including hacking into the VPNs of supposedly friendly governments.

http://www.spiegel.de/internat...

3) The NSA listens to the cell calls of friendly foreign leaders. (hopefully, also, unfriendly ones).

http://www.spiegel.de/internat...

4) The NSA may have worked to weaken encryption standards in order to make their task easier.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/9...
http://www.scientificamerican....

5) The NSA has physically broken into the fiber plants of major public Internet companies (ie. Google), supposedly without their knowledge, in order to steal data sent only internally.

http://www.extremetech.com/int...

6) Major Internet companies, and all telcos, have willingly shared much or all of their client's communications with the NSA.

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/ar...

7) The NSA and foreign intelligence agencies share data in order to evade domestic spying restrictions.

https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

8) The NSA has hacked into at least one major supplier of SIM cards, in order to spy on calls made from the phones made with them.

http://news.softpedia.com/news...

I'm sorry for you and your family. autism is everywhere now. in the last 20 years it's gone from one in hundred thousand to one in fifty. Everybody, myself included, either has asd, has a relative with it, or knows someone with it. They like to say it's genetic, but it's not. It didn't exist in previous generations, and it does not exist presently in countries without pediatric vaccinations.

in the last year a CDC whistleblower has come forward, and is testifying before congress. you must have heard of him. Yes, vaccines cause autism. The CDC said so. Not to mention the vaccine court in the US, and a court in italy, etc, etc. You don't have to look hard to find well referenced articles about this. Follow the links and you'll find Dr Thompson's letter of confession, and tapes of him discussing what exactly the CDC has done.

here's a link for the CDC whistleblower. Dr. William Thompson

also, Dr. William Thompson.

the simpsonwood tapes have been out for years, where big-pharma and the cdc plotted out how to hide the autism connection. The corrupt and venal CDC not only sat on this info for years, but invested your tax dollars in every scheme possible to hide and obfuscate this truth.

it should be simple. mercury is a neurotoxin. we know this. if the vaccine vial falls on the floor and breaks, you bring in the hazmat suits. inject it into small babies - it will damage them, no doubt about it. it's mercury - what do you expect? now, as to whether you diagnose it as autism or minimata disease, that would be a different matter. that's a regulatory capture issue.

I'm sorry for you and your family. autism is everywhere now. in the last 20 years it's gone from one in hundred thousand to one in fifty. Everybody, myself included, either has asd, has a relative with it, or knows someone with it. They like to say it's genetic, but it's not. It didn't exist in previous generations, and it does not exist presently in countries without pediatric vaccinations.

in the last year a CDC whistleblower has come forward, and is testifying before congress. you must have heard of him. Yes, vaccines cause autism. The CDC said so. Not to mention the vaccine court in the US, and a court in italy, etc, etc. You don't have to look hard to find well referenced articles about this. Follow the links and you'll find Dr Thompson's letter of confession, and tapes of him discussing what exactly the CDC has done.

here's a link for the CDC whistleblower. Dr. William Thompson

also, Dr. William Thompson.

the simpsonwood tapes have been out for years, where big-pharma and the cdc plotted out how to hide the autism connection. The corrupt and venal CDC not only sat on this info for years, but invested your tax dollars in every scheme possible to hide and obfuscate this truth.

it should be simple. mercury is a neurotoxin. we know this. if the vaccine vial falls on the floor and breaks, you bring in the hazmat suits. inject it into small babies - it will damage them, no doubt about it. it's mercury - what do you expect? now, as to whether you diagnose it as autism or minimata disease, that would be a different matter. that's a regulatory capture issue.

Global Research invites you to take a moment to look at some of the best articles published on the Boston Marathon Bombing and the Tsarnaev brothers, all of which reveal lies, anomalies and inconsistencies in the official story ref.

interact biologically [globalresearch.ca]

globalresearch.ca is a well-known crackpot and conspiracy theory outlet. Among various outrageous articles and radical political views, they even became a channel for pro-Russian propaganda in regards to the war in Ukraine. Anyone who cites information from the same outlet that produced works of journamlism like North Korea, a Land of Human Achievement, Love and Joy is a fucking tool.

Europe banned Fluoride in drinking water since at least the 1980's.

And all their teeth fell out! ;) Just kidding, they got refrigeration too.

The biggest risk is that fluoride is not fluoride. Sodium fluoride dissociates well, but most water supplies use silicofluorides that don't, and they cause heavy metals to cross the blood-brain barrier because the silicofluoride compounds interact biologically.

The dominant fluoridation chemical is actually toxic waste from fertilizer plant smokestack scrubbers that would have a real disposal problem if there weren't municipal water supplies to dump it in.

And those problems don't even touch on osteoporosis, the economic problems with watering one's lawn with fluoridated water, or the moral issue of involuntary medication.

I've got cavity-free kids on well water. Toothpaste with xylitol (birch/watermelon sugar alcohol) is the simple answer. In Scandinavia they give the kids a couple pieces of xylitol gum with their school lunch - far more economical than the US system and with fewer risks. But in the US, government programs are a secular religion that may only ever be tweaked, not found to be foolhardy.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/temperatures-were-warmer-than-today-for-most-of-the-past-10000-years/question-4723358/
Fifteen thousand years ago, temperatures rose 10 to 20 degrees in just one century.........

About 12,800 years ago we plunged into the Younger Dryas...... When we came out of the Younger Dryas, temperatures again
shot upward, rising 15 degrees in just 40 years.

The end of the Younger Dryas cold period warmed by 9F ( 5C) over 30-40 years and as much as 14F (8C) over 40 years.

http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/01/16/scientists-balk-at-hottest-year-claims-we-are-arguing-over-the-significance-of-hundredths-of-a-degree-the-pause-continues/
Climatologist Dr. Roger Pielke Sr., commenting on claims that 2014 was the warmest year on record: 'We have found a significant warm bias. Thus, the reported global average surface temperature anomaly is also too warm.'

Global climate changes have been far more intense (12 to 20 times as intense in some cases) than the global warming of the past century, and they took place in as little as 20–100 years.

Oh...sorry....you just wanted me to post a single already-posted graph. I guess I didn't follow your instructions properly, huh?

I'm pointing out that there is certainly quite a bit of mass hysteria going around. Sometimes that manifests as whackos killing innocent people, as per your definition. Other times it manifests as whackos engaging in multi-year legislative and regulatory exercises.

The OP was talking about cockpit door regulations. I tend to think that's a good idea, but it obviously has a downside; his point isn't unreasonable. Lots of other "legislative and regulatory exercises" are harder to defend: the random stuff airport security comes up with seems to be borne completely of overreaction. Also things like special border zones hundreds of miles from a border, domestic spying to make Orwell blush, decades long wars, that kind of thing.

Idiots killing innocent people and overbearing regulators: different sides, same mass hysteria coin.

I also found this interesting:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/n...

Putting aside for a moment that this KS is probably a scam, what are the ramifications of an act such as this.

In the current climate, what would he US call it if citizens of another nation started drone flights of unknown purpose over US soil. I would suggest the T word would be used and as soon as the launch point is identified all extra-judicial efforts will be made to ensure the perpetrators are removed from the gene-pool.

Would a state like "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" consider doing less if it were in their interest.

Other states have done similar to citizens of other countries, located outside of their boarders for reasons of National Security, see:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...
AND
http://www.globalresearch.ca/t...
AND ALSO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...

Must be a different Wikipedia than the one everyone else reads

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

Aftermath
The nuclear-armed Jupiter intermediate-range ballistic missile. The US secretly agreed to withdraw these missiles from Italy and Turkey.

The compromise embarrassed Khrushchev and the Soviet Union because the withdrawal of US missiles from Italy and Turkey was a secret deal between Kennedy and Khrushchev. Khrushchev went to Kennedy thinking that the crisis was getting out of hand. The Soviets were seen as retreating from circumstances that they had started. Khrushchev's fall from power two years later was in part because of the Politburo embarrassment at both Khrushchev's eventual concessions to the US and his ineptitude in precipitating the crisis in the first place. According to Dobrynin, the top Soviet leadership took the Cuban outcome as "a blow to its prestige bordering on humiliation."[92]

You also might want to commit these to memory

Saber Rattling

http://www.merriam-webster.com...

VS blockade which is an act of war

http://www.globalresearch.ca/b...

1- It is clear that you are completely ignorant of the definitions of the words "socialist", "communist", and "Soviet".
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2- It isn't the US that broke Germany's back. It was Russia. And Hitler's own obsession with it. We dont teach it in our history books nearly as well as we should. And people like you are poorer for it. There is no doubt that we contributed much of the technological might to the fight to counter the German's own (and even then we found just how far ahead of us they really were after the war).

But the numbers, the sheer numbers of attrition, both allied and axis, were provided by the Russians.
88% of all German casulaties were on the Russian Front.

The Western Front was nothing comapred to the Russian Front. There's a reason being "sent to the Russian Front" was considered a death sentence and used as a threat within Germany. On the Russian Front fighting was "between 400 German and Soviet divisions on the Eastern Front for four years. The front itself spanned 1,600 km. In the meantime, the fighting on the Western Front involved 15-20 divisions at most." ( http://www.globalresearch.ca/w... )

It as the Battle of Kursk that turned the tide of the war when a German advance was stopped for the first time before achieving its objectives, in one of the largest battles in human history. The Soviets incurred more 250,000 killed and 600,000 wounded. The Germans suffered 200,00 total casulaties, both fatal and wounded. One million casualties, in a single battle.

Total Russian casualties for the war would be between 20 and 30 MILLION, far larger than any other country except China (10-20 million), and comprising nearly half of all casualties in the European theater.

Keep in mind only a small portion of Germany's military might made life very difficult for all of the western allies (US, UK, France, etc), while the bulk of Germany's army was fighting Russia. If Hitler hadn't tried to take Russia, if he hadn't broken his own treaty with them, nothing the US did would have mattered. It was Russia that removed the German Army's will and capability to fight. It was Russia that absorbed the bulk of Hitlers might and eventually, slowly, beat him back.
It was Russia that won WWII.
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3- You are troll:

You dont know basic facts.
You substitute your own bigoted opinions for facts.
You pass those opinions off as facts.
You then denigrate people who point that out.

This post is spot on, because many of the people impacted by the influx of GMO seeds are sustenance farmers, not profit based farms. Attempting to convert them to a money making agriculture system does not work very well because the people have little to no income sources to go buy food that people are selling. The few jobs these companies create do not support the economy, and the pay is so low that it can't support the economy.

The current reality is that these small governments must subsidize what used to be sustenance based economies. Until manufacturing, repair facilities, etc.. are functional in the country there is no choice, because there are no income sources. And lets face it, there are no plans to bolster anything else in these economies

In other words, the only people currently gaining from these programs are the people pushing the programs. There is plenty of information out there on the subject, you can start with this one, or this one, or this one (get the point? There is plenty of information). Sure, Dupont is not the same company but a new face on a same exact problem.

Al-Qaeda means "the base"

Well, sure. But I won't be able to show that the changes in transmission already mentioned are due to mutation or some other cause. But they did happen. And it's worth noting that viruses mutate often (and mutations happen more frequently when there are a lot of infections) and that Ebola has transitioned to an airborne mode before (the Reston virus case and a later experiment in 2012).

Is it possible to have socialists ideas before the term socialism was coined? It doesn't matter what you were referencing, the idea you were conveying is a socialist one.

So you're saying that the proletariat of France were socialists before socialism was cool? What hipsters! For the record, proto-socialist ideas started popping up in France distinctly after the revolution. I suppose that these distinctions are lost on you, though, since you're using the word in a prejorative sense, not a technical one.

Did you read below that I will repeat it since you missed it, if you are saying they had it equally as good you need to find something that made up for a serf's lack of technology, like cell phones, clean drinking water, indoor plumbing, living quarters without livestock, cars, laundry facilities,... What area did the serfs have it better then migrant workers to make up for all those things I listed.

First, I'll reiterate my objection that those aren't things that migrant workers have, generally speaking. Second, I'll reiterate the response I offered earlier: leisure time and living space.

If they are only given enough not to riot then they are way over compensated.

Your "they" refers to people risking their capital, according to the rules of English grammar. There is no meaningful risk of them rioting, so that interpretation of your words doesn't make sense. I don't think you meant to refer to the poor either, since then you'd be saying that they should be paid less so as to cause riots. Riots are generally undesirable for a society, so that interpretation doesn't make sense either. I can't think of any other ways to parse this statement, so I'm genuinely not sure what you're trying to say here.

People are breaking the law just for the opportunity to go work as a migrant worker, that is a long way away from a revolt.

I'm glad you think so. You may think the distribution of wealth in this country is just fine, but 92% of Americans would disagree with you, despite the fact that a majority of Americans actually underestimate the actual inequity in wealth distribution. See aforementioned Forbes link as reference for this claim.

I repeat, yet again, this thread got rather long. I don't like that. The last time I participated in a thread this long, it got way too long. The lesson I learned there is that some people have trouble communicating with me, and that it takes a considerable amount of effort to resolve the issue. Since I'm not willing to dedicate sufficient effort to accomplish that in this thread, I think this is as good a time as any to throw in the towel.

The disclaimer I've added to the end of my last three posts (as well as this one) has been rather prophetic, don't you think? Perhaps you're interested in breaking the 76-post-long-thread record I set with bingoUV? That would be even more impressive with this disclaimer in place the whole time. I totally think you should go for it.

Far more than just Free Syria. The United States has spent years arming 'radical muslims' to fight Assad, and now wants to attack these armed radicals. You wouldn't think Americans would be so eager to get punked by the USG a second time after the invasion of Iraq, but two beheading videos is all it takes.

Sure thing:

• "The 9 page, extensive report has since been vindicated many times over with revelations of US, NATO, and Persian Gulf complicity in raising armies of extremists within Libya and along Syria's borders. ISIS itself, which is claimed to occupy a region stretching from northeastern Syria and across northern and western Iraq, has operated all along Turkey's border with Syria, "coincidentally" where the US CIA has conducted years of "monitoring" and arming of "moderate" groups.

   
  In fact, the US admits it has armed, funded, and equipped "moderates" to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. In a March 2013 Telegraph article titled, "US and Europe in âmajor airlift of arms to Syrian rebels through Zagreb'," it was reported that a single program included 3,000 tons of weapons sent in 75 planeloads paid for by Saudi Arabia at the bidding of the United States. The New York Times in its article, "Arms Airlift to Syria Rebels Expands, With C.I.A. Aid," admits that the CIA assisted Arab governments and Turkey with military aid to terrorists fighting in Syria constituting hundreds of airlifts landing in both Jordan and Turkey."

And for our "allies"

• "But in the years they were getting started, a key component of ISISâ(TM)s support came from wealthy individuals in the Arab Gulf States of Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Sometimes the support came with the tacit nod of approval from those regimes; often, it took advantage of poor money laundering protections in those states, according to officials, experts, and leaders of the Syrian opposition, which is fighting ISIS as well as the regime."

Come on people!

Don't believe every piece of propaganda created to justify US geopolitics in the Middle East.

ISIS is a spawn of US foreign policy, funded and armed by the US.

Here's General Wesley Clark giving the plan away:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/w...

After the US gave up on the Iraqi government (because it has sided with Iran and Russia), they've decided to threaten it with their puppet terrorist group (which was then being used to overthrow the Syrian government and replace IT with a puppet regime). ISIS is a stereotype of everything that the US government would want to be wrong with a terrorist group. The lies spread to make them the boogie man are ridiculous.

It's taken a little bit longer than the original plan, but the plan is obviously still in effect.

You are correct, except your statement regarding religious leadership, both during and after WWI.

However, regarding "At the end, was there any religious head who came out and said, "We were wrong!"?."
The answer is yes, and starting before and during the war.

As an example of what you describe (for those who don't know WWI) : http://www.globalresearch.ca/w...

As for religious heads:

Randall Davidson (1848-1930), Archbishop of Canterbury, counselled against war. In a sermon on August 3, 1914, he said,

What is happening is fearful beyond words, both in actual fact and in the thought of what it may come to be. . . . This thing which is now astir in Europe is not the work of God but the work of the devil.

And:
Pope Benedict XV (1854-1922; Pope 1914-1922) expressed "bitter sorrow" over the war from the beginning. In the encyclical "Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum," issued November 1, 1914, he lamented:

Who would imagine as we see them thus filled with hatred of one another, that they are all of one common stock, all of the same nature, all members of the same human society? . . . Sorrow and distress swoop down upon every city and every home; day by day the mighty number of widows and orphans increases. . . . We implore Kings and rulers to consider the floods of tears and blood already poured out, and to hasten to restore to the nations the blessings of peace. . . . Unless God comes soon to our help, the end of civilization would seem to be at hand.

And one from Germany:
Adolf von Harnack was the father-figure of German liberal Protestantism. (1928)

War is the battle of everyone against everyone in the literal sense: all men, women and children; war is the suspension of all ethical rules, the surrender of all moral values; war is the campaign of slander and lies throughout the entire earth; war is hunger; the destruction of culture, chaos and annihilation. The World War has also taught us how war comes about: no previous summons to hate is necessary, no conspiracy of malice, no plunderous avarice, but 'only'unrestrained nationalism, unrestrained pride and thoughtless indiscretion.

That is nonsense. The US government provided arms to the Iraqi government. The Iraqi government lost control

The US began arming Syrian rebels with small arms and other supplies almost a year ago.

Back then your MSM still had you cheering for the "Arab Spring" and Assad was the bad guy. Remember that? The narrative then was the noble and oppressed peoples of the Middle East rising up to topple puppet dictators and NPR et. al. were thrilled. So we gave these noble fighters weapons.

Yay!

Predictably, however, the Islamists started filling trenches with the bodies of infidels. The "Arab Spring" meme had to be quietly abandoned and now you're taught to fear the terrors of ISIS.

ISIS, IS, or whatever, are the exact same violent atavists we were arming twelve months ago; they move freely across the Iraq – Syria border, pursuing their Caliphate using both weapons we've supplied directly to them and weapons they've managed to capture.

It's also going pear shaped in Libya, the place we "liberated" from the Qaddafi regime with airstrikes. Soon those Islamists will start filling trenches with infidels and photos of Hillary posing with them will vanish when we start dropping bombs.

Watch for it.

Many of us understood all of this back when the "Arab Spring" started. The elites took a little longer to figure it out.

There are no recent examples of extended power-sharing or peaceful transitions to democracy in the Arab world. When dictatorships crack, budding democracies are more than likely to be greeted by violence and paralysis. Sectarian divisions — the bane of many Middle Eastern societies — will then emerge

These are cultures that can not govern themselves peacefully. They indulge Islamic extremism and they're not slaughtering infidels only when a dictatorial strongman wields enough power to keep the imams and muftis under control.

The rulers that prevailed during the Cold War understood this and worked to keep a lid on this mess. Those policies are now believed to be "imperialist" and so we've become schizophrenic; we indulge Islamists as the nobel oppressed right up until their nature is exposed by their atrocities and then we start dropping bombs.

Personally, I hope for change. Real change. Like ISIS, IS whatever overrunning Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Libya, etc. etc. until they reach the sea in all directions. Then, at least, there will be no more nasty little low-intensity squabbles as we try to referee this crap and all doubt about the threat Islam poses to the species will be gone.

One can dream.

And for the record, no man made GM food has ever harmed a bee.

Citation needed.

Searching for "gmo harming bees" gives:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/d...
It is said that Terminator seeds provokes something similar to cancer to bees.

Um yea...

Despite presenting itself as a source of scholarly analysis, Globalresearch mostly consists of polemics many of which accept (and use) conspiracy theories, pseudoscience and propaganda. The prevalent conspiracist strand relates to global power-elites (primarily governments and corporations) and their New World Order. Specific featured conspiracy theories include those addressing 9/11,vaccines,genetic modification, Zionism, HAARP, global warming. Bosnian genocide denialism and David Kelly.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/G...

Also, juts go to that sites front page... The nature of the site because quite evident just reading the headlines: http://www.globalresearch.ca/

You might as well be quoting the Time Cube guy.
Check your sources next time.

And for the record, no man made GM food has ever harmed a bee.

Citation needed.

Searching for "gmo harming bees" gives:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/d...
It is said that Terminator seeds provokes something similar to cancer to bees.

Um yea...

Despite presenting itself as a source of scholarly analysis, Globalresearch mostly consists of polemics many of which accept (and use) conspiracy theories, pseudoscience and propaganda. The prevalent conspiracist strand relates to global power-elites (primarily governments and corporations) and their New World Order. Specific featured conspiracy theories include those addressing 9/11,vaccines,genetic modification, Zionism, HAARP, global warming. Bosnian genocide denialism and David Kelly.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/G...

Also, juts go to that sites front page... The nature of the site because quite evident just reading the headlines: http://www.globalresearch.ca/

You might as well be quoting the Time Cube guy.
Check your sources next time.

And for the record, no man made GM food has ever harmed a bee.

Citation needed.

Searching for "gmo harming bees" gives:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/d...
It is said that Terminator seeds provokes something similar to cancer to bees.

Check alternative sources: http://rt.com/news/184863-russ... and http://www.globalresearch.ca/b...

Check alternative sources: http://rt.com/news/184863-russ... and http://www.globalresearch.ca/b...

Check alternative sources: http://rt.com/news/184863-russ... and http://www.globalresearch.ca/b...

Check alternative sources: http://rt.com/news/184863-russ... and http://www.globalresearch.ca/b...

Check alternative sources: http://rt.com/news/184863-russ... and http://www.globalresearch.ca/b...

Check alternative sources: http://rt.com/news/184863-russ... and http://www.globalresearch.ca/b...

If one wants to post something on international affairs, then one should educate oneself on a specific topic and get info from different sources, not just Chicken Noodle News. Try http://rt.com/news/184863-russ... and http://www.globalresearch.ca/b....

And I fear it will work this time too. http://www.globalresearch.ca/f... ISIS is a bunch of cunts but don't let them sell you vietnam part IV, we only make it worse by staying.

Given that all our leaders in both the west and Russia are pathological liars, I'm always interested to find the other side of the story. Not that our media makes it easy.

This slashdot story reports what's happening as fact. But as far as I can tell what we have is actually only quotes from Kiev, the same people who have been claiming that Russia was invading for weeks. The same people who claimed that a convoy of aid was actually full of soldiers and military equipment, even after it was repeatedly spot checked by journalists and found to contain exactly what Russia claimed it did (food and aid). This is coming just days after Poroshenko dissolved his Parliament, there were apparently rising protests against conscription into the Ukrainian army, and the separatists were able to make progress.

Just to make things even more complicated: simultaneous with the claim that Russian troops are crossing into Ukraine, RT is claiming that Ukrainian troops crossed into Russia, in order to defect, and the Ukranian government admits this.

This comment on the Guardian story (which incidentally is much less biased than this Slashdot article and presents this as an accusation by Kiev) is what got me to look for these stories and I think interesting enough to quote in full:

Nothing really to explain. Ukraine troops, left without leadership and provisions, have been deserting and losing ground all week. Now that people are demonstrating in Kiev calling for Poroshenko's resignation, he's calling invasion.

- Close to 2,000 Ukraine combatants have put down their guns and asked for asylum in Russia.
- In the last 4 or 5 days, the DPR army has encircled and captured more than 7,000 troops, and all the hardware they possessed.
- On the 24th we all saw thousands of these defeated troops marched through Donesk city centre.

Now they have close to 80 tanks, and various other armored vehicles, all acquired from defeated Ukraine troops, and are sweeping over eastern Ukraine.

Poroshenko was given billions of dollars, and some how failed to pay pensions, salaries, or to send adequate supplies to the forces. He's losing this war, that's all.

Why is it our media (even this post) always seems to portray Hamas in a positive light?

This conflict would end the SECOND Hamas stopped their aggression. The moment Hamas stops shooting, IDF stops shooting, period. Hamas lies and has no moral honor, they betray everything, and want nothing less than to wipe other people off the face of the earth. How is that humanitarian and moral? And yet the western media doesn't portray that side of the story!

Your naivete would be cute if it wasn't for all the dead children!

Israel will not stop when Hamas stops firing rockets. I suspect Israel will stop the slaughter the moment when the Palestinians cede ownership of their natural gas fields to Israel for free. http://www.globalresearch.ca/w...

Also, how do you know these things about Hamas if the medias doesn't cover it? Of course the media covers Hamas's acts of terror. The part that is lacking is the fact that vast majority of Hamas's terror is aimed at Palestinians who belong to rival factions or who don't pay their protection dues on time.

As I pointed out I already pay my fair share.

What I have a problem with is allowing the IRS to over-step their idiotic jurisdiction.

If you can show the Blizzard server where I can pay the IRS my WoW gold then I'll pay the "income" I've "earned." Oh wait, they don't have one .. because Blizzard owns ALL their "virtual currency", aka WoW gold.

Likewise for other digital currency -- the IRS can make all the claims they want, but that doesn't make it true. They don't "own" BitCoin, NOR the bits used to represent the currency.

17 trillions in debt and the IRS has done fuck all to help the country get out of debt. If the IRS wasn't so greedy then maybe I'd actually respect them in spite of paying my taxes. But most Americans are too stupid and a bunch of pussies to do anything. They would rather watch their unreality shows such as "Big Brother" then give a dam.

So yea, I have a problem with illegal government over-stepping their pseudo jurisdiction such as the Federal Reserve, which is neither Federal, nor a Reserve.

Nice little piece of propaganda spin there.

Has anyone told you, on Slashdot posting anonymously doesn't work. You need to use one of the old accounts, just buy it from someone, then your propaganda will get traction.

So, how are things in your university class room in Israel? Feeling like you are part of the "team" are we, like your participating in the "war".
Nice to see, you love the bloodshed.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/i...

Student propagandists in Israel are just as Evil as the Government in place.
If you dont agree, you dont spread lies. If you actively spread lies, its like you are killing the children yourself.

SHAME ON YOU!