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HP ProLiant BL10 e-Class Server? A File Server??? oh, puhleezz! It's equivalent to high-end laptop from two years ago. However, it's very useful for things like web servers, terminal servers i.e. scale-out applications. Go look at the product page here (hp.com) and decide for youselves. The 40GB drive is a laptop Hard drive, admittedly the faster 5400rpm variety. Not a 7200rpm desktop ATA or 15KRPM SCSI, let alone an array of them that I would expect to find in a file server.

• Myth: KDE is more integrated than GNOME
  Reality: The oft-heard cry of the noisiest KDE advocates. No explanation is given - the reader is expected to simply grok the wholesomeness of KDE, and the lack of this mystical quality in GNOME. It's nonsense of course. Neither desktop is particularly "integrated" compared to Windows XP, and certainly not compared to any version of the Apple Mac. Whatever "integrated" really means.
• Myth: KDE is easier to use
  Reality: Again, such nebulous arguments are never explained, and the reader is expected to simply understand the truth of the zealots statement. Both KDE and GNOME have user-interface irritations (indeed, all systems do) - but "ease of use" is not a simple thing to measure. KDE has never been subjected to detailed user testing, unlike GNOME [gnome.org], and the claims of user-friendliness are from crazed supporters and not average users. Furthermore, the KDE faithful rarely look beyond simple-minded copying of Windows, and forget that administering a desktop system is just as important as having widgets in the correct place on the toolbar. For example: What about application installation and removal? GNOME has the excellent RedCarpet [ximian.com] by Ximian [ximian.com], which makes the installation, removal and updating of applications trivial. KDE users are expected to fend for themselves with brutal command line driven systems. GNOME also has the excellent Ximian setup tools to handle various very tricky cross-platform and potentially risky system configuration operations - KDE offers none of this, only a few small half-assed Linux-only tools, which make no attempt at check-pointing to return to known working configurations.
• Myth: KDE is more popular
  Reality: In what sense? Arguably more people use KDE - but it is a close run thing. Most KDE zealots claim the results of online polls as proof of their superior userbase - which is, quite frankly, complete and utter nonsense. Online polls are the joke of the century; it doesn't even require a motivated script kiddie to render then worthless. A single post alerting the faithful on a zealot-ridden site can skew the result so much it makes American presidential elections look fair and well organised. Popularity is also difficult to measure when both GNOME and KDE are frequently installed on the same system. Indeed, the systems can co-exist and even run at the same time, except for certain applications such as panels. Many KDE users actually run GNOME applications for their superior features and stability, not realising that by doing so they are barely running KDE at all.

  One of the few solid measures of popularity is the adoption in commercial use - and here, GNOME is far ahead, with both Hewlett-Packard [hp.com] and Sun Microsystems [sun.com] committing to using GNOME as the desktop for their Unix systems. This also ties in with the previously mentioned ease of use - Sun's major contribution to the GNOME project is in the areas of user/developer documentation, testing, accessiblity and user-testing. Three of the less glamourous parts of desktop development. The arrival of the GNOME 2.x series will see these contributions reach fruitition and allow GNOME to make a quantum leap ahead of KDE in most of the basic computer/user issues.

• Myth: Konq

Check out HP's PRM.

Really? What do you think these laid-off chip designers are gonna do when they get back to Chennai? Sell trinkets to tourists?

MYTH #3: "R&D jobs don't go overseas. Hell, they don't even leave the US east and west coast, for the most part."

REALITY:

• GE Corporate Research in Bangalore and Shanghai
• HP Opens New Research Center in Singapore
• HP Bangalore Research
• IBM India Research Center
• IBM China Research Center
• Microsoft Research Beijing

Per nasscom.org, "A recent study on the biotech market by business intelligence firm, Ernst & Young, has shown that India has the potential to become a leading hub of biotech projects. Indian companies have the capability to enter segments such as manufacturing biogenerics, contract research services, clinical trials and even areas such as bio-informatics."

MYTH #5: "Ultimately, what xenophobes need to realize is that writing shitty code doesn't make anyone "high-tech." You're no more entitled to an inflated salary than the auto workers who saw their work moved overseas - if someone with no education can do your job cheaper, you don't deserve your job."

"Accenture in India has also been moving into front office work such as doing clinical data management for its pharma clients. Accenture's pharma team here, which consists of doctors, dentists and biologists, analyses data from tests and helps its pharma client to gain `time-to-market' advantage. "Normally, for a BPO, back office activities are the target, but we are beginning to spot opportunities in front office activities as well," Cole said."

So far I've got " a slice of pizza sticking out of your head", "a taco surgically grafted to your head", and "like talking into a banana or Frisbee."

Any others?

You can see a picture of someone using the phone here.

Remember HP's "invent" ad campaign of 2001. http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/hpads/2001/index .html

I think that was a great way of distinguishing them from Dell, MSFT, etc, who were focused on innovating instead of inventing

I visited the SCO Roadshow page but could not see any reference to HP on there. It refers to Microlite as sponsors.
I also found the place where you can email HP CEO Carly Fiorino, but decided to confirm HP's involvement with SCO in general but the Roadshow in particular before letting rip at HP.

So, can anyone put HP together with SCO Roadshow?

HP is very linux friendly. Look at their linux page. They support other distributions besides RedHat even like Debian and Suse and possibly others. They have linux drivers for winmodems on some of their PCs. On their Itaniums, 3 OSes are supported HPUX, Linux, and Windows.

Plus don't forget that HP Offers Linux Purchasers Indemnification for its customers using Linux on HP hardware.

They may be a mostly M$ shop, but they do have interests in other OSes. In fact, HP is the vendor with the most systems on the top500 list, and not one of those machines runs windows...

I used this link some time ago to state that I am often asked by people what they should buy (I'm considered to be a nerd). Because of the previous sponsor action for SCO Forum and because of hp-s abysmal support for linux drivers for their scanners, I now advice people to buy Epson, and bought an Epson scanner myself as well.

If enough people send notes like this, we might make a difference. Just remember to keep it simple and refrain from cursing and swearing.

"Informative"? This is nothing new.

Just for giggles when a hdd in one of laptops crapped out, I went to HP's website to find out what they had to offer, i found this $1073.00 10 gig laptop hard drive.
I just about fell off my chair laughing so hard. I think we bought an equivelant hdd through compgeeks for
wang33

Really? What do you think these laid-off chip designers are gonna do when they get back to Chennai? Sell trinkets to tourists?

MYTH #3: "R&D jobs don't go overseas. Hell, they don't even leave the US east and west coast, for the most part."

REALITY:

• GE Corporate Research in Bangalore and Shanghai
• HP Opens New Research Center in Singapore
• HP Bangalore Research
• IBM India Research Center
• IBM China Research Center
• Microsoft Research Beijing

Per nasscom.org, "A recent study on the biotech market by business intelligence firm, Ernst & Young, has shown that India has the potential to become a leading hub of biotech projects. Indian companies have the capability to enter segments such as manufacturing biogenerics, contract research services, clinical trials and even areas such as bio-informatics."

MYTH #5: "Ultimately, what xenophobes need to realize is that writing shitty code doesn't make anyone "high-tech." You're no more entitled to an inflated salary than the auto workers who saw their work moved overseas - if someone with no education can do your job cheaper, you don't deserve your job."

"Accenture in India has also been moving into front office work such as doing clinical data management for its pharma clients. Accenture's pharma team here, which consists of doctors, dentists and biologists, analyses data from tests and helps its pharma client to gain `time-to-market' advantage. "Normally, for a BPO, back office activities are the target, but we are beginning to spot opportunities in front office activities as well," Cole said."

Right, big tech companies obviously avoid Linux -- say big tech companies like:

• IBM
• SAP
• HP
• Oracle
• Dell
• Intel
• AMD
• Sun

Or which big technology companies were you referrring to exactly? Sure, it was a troll, but hey -- who isn't supporting Linux that doesn't make a competing OS? I mean, heck Sun, HP and IBM do make competing OSes and they've all jumped on the Linux bandwaggon.

Really? What do you think these laid-off chip designers are gonna do when they get back to Chennai? Sell trinkets to tourists?

MYTH #3: "R&D jobs don't go overseas. Hell, they don't even leave the US east and west coast, for the most part."

REALITY:

• GE Corporate Research in Bangalore and Shanghai
• HP Opens New Research Center in Singapore
• HP Bangalore Research
• IBM India Research Center
• IBM China Research Center
• Microsoft Research Beijing

Per nasscom.org, "A recent study on the biotech market by business intelligence firm, Ernst & Young, has shown that India has the potential to become a leading hub of biotech projects. Indian companies have the capability to enter segments such as manufacturing biogenerics, contract research services, clinical trials and even areas such as bio-informatics."

MYTH #5: "Ultimately, what xenophobes need to realize is that writing shitty code doesn't make anyone "high-tech." You're no more entitled to an inflated salary than the auto workers who saw their work moved overseas - if someone with no education can do your job cheaper, you don't deserve your job."

"Accenture in India has also been moving into front office work such as doing clinical data management for its pharma clients. Accenture's pharma team here, which consists of doctors, dentists and biologists, analyses data from tests and helps its pharma client to gain `time-to-market' advantage. "Normally, for a BPO, back office activities are the target, but we are beginning to spot opportunities in front office activities as well," Cole said."

who has one of these. I used one in the CIT lab here at UT, but I think most Kinko's or drafting places will do it for you. I've done several large art prints with these, and they can't be beat. Building your own is a neat idea and all, but unless making your own large format printer is part of the piece, I'd stick with the professionals. No need to reinvent the wheel, man.

blade desktops? (assuming you've not already got the hardware?).
I've just read an article about them at ZDNet.
Looks like the main manufacturer at the moment is ClearCube, although HP are about to get in on the act.

If you want server density the current crop of blade systems is hard to beat. The Compaq/HP BL10e class can get 20 servers in the same space as 3 1U boxes, and at significantly reduced cost and power consumption. You do loose external connections. No permenant USB or KVM and no serial at all.

Of course there is the obvious Designjet . But that isn't as fun as putting a scope on the lines to an inkjet head to get an idea of what it takes to make dots. Another idea might be to use an old dot matrix head. Or like the spray paint can printer, but use an airbrush head for finer dots. As far as the programming, once the image is in a bitmap, it would be straightforward to loop through the pixels while stepping the motors.
This project sounds like fun, let me know if you happen to be in the Atlanta area.

Too much talking about HP and SCO
time for comercial
Comercil

64bit processors is a relic from the last century...

(have one of those at home, sweet little thing)

What are you talking about? Everyone knows that RMS really stands for Record Management Services on OpenVMS. It is what you use to read and write files. Goes back to the PDP era.

In one of my VMS manuals, RMS-11 is a registered trademark by Digital Equipment. I wonder if they registered RMS too...

Press any key to continue, or any other key to cancel.

Someone at Compaq also posted the "any key" thing in their user forums.

E.g. it will automatically add to every buffer access the neccessary boundary checks. When fed with C-Sources, there are not enough meta informations to add these kinds of checks.

Yes there are.

There's nothing in the C language spec that requires your compiler to permit buffer overflows or heap attacks, and indeed it's possible to disallow them at runtime.

Nobody does it, of course, because it adds a lot of overhead and, in the case of GC, less control. Well, that and, since nobody does it, the tools to do it aren't very mature.

Finally! No longer do I have to spend hours looking for that damn key; boy, do I feel silly.

Of course, now I've a different problem. Secure in the knowledge that I could press any key, I whacked the one marked Ctrl. Nothing. So I tried the uparrow key above it; niente. Surely Caps Lock'll work? Nah.

Bloody compaq. I'm never buying one of their poxy keybaords again.

But kudos to Compaq (or HP) nonetheless. In their ergonomic guide, they even show you what you should look like when you're standing.

The technology for the Semantic Web is good enough - people and organizations just have to be willing to add semantic markup. This will enable what I would call knowledge based search. Some good tools are:

HP's semantic web toolkit

Protege Ontology Editor

RDF and semantic web tools for Swi-Prolog

-Mark

Here is the new catalog for you. I hope that Infineum has luck with the Phantom project.

http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/hpdirect/shoppi ng/scripts/home/store_access.jsp?template_type=com puter_store&landing=desktops&category=compaq_presa rio&aoid=11074

Thanks for choosing Compaq,
Jeff

but a replacement for atx is really needed.

Also, I found an interesting tidbit out. Compaq bought out DEC, and HP bought out Compaq, right? Well, the "third party" that you mention making 1.2 GHz boxes actually has topped your speed by 50 MHz - and it's HP.

Here it is...

This doesn't appear to be true, at least for the nx7000. According to hp's website it only supports WXGA w/ 1280x800 and WSXGA w/ 1680x1050. They are an interesting looking option though, however, as far as I've heard the centrino wifi doesn't work under linux either.

jason

"I want to know why the X capable clients cost so much more than the Winterm clients."

They don't. The HP t5700 starts at $599. A similarly configured Wyse 5540XL costs about $629, runs SuSE Linux 7.x, which makes it X compatible, and also has RDP and ICA clients.

In other words, it's much more flexible than the HP unit, costs about the same, and runs X.

Really? What do you think these laid-off chip designers are gonna do when they get back to Chennai? Sell trinkets to tourists?

MYTH #3: "R&D jobs don't go overseas. Hell, they don't even leave the US east and west coast, for the most part."

REALITY:

• GE Corporate Research in Bangalore and Shanghai
• HP Opens New Research Center in Singapore
• HP Bangalore Research
• IBM India Research Center
• IBM China Research Center
• Microsoft Research Beijing

Per nasscom.org, "A recent study on the biotech market by business intelligence firm, Ernst & Young, has shown that India has the potential to become a leading hub of biotech projects. Indian companies have the capability to enter segments such as manufacturing biogenerics, contract research services, clinical trials and even areas such as bio-informatics."

MYTH #5: "Ultimately, what xenophobes need to realize is that writing shitty code doesn't make anyone "high-tech." You're no more entitled to an inflated salary than the auto workers who saw their work moved overseas - if someone with no education can do your job cheaper, you don't deserve your job."

"Accenture in India has also been moving into front office work such as doing clinical data management for its pharma clients. Accenture's pharma team here, which consists of doctors, dentists and biologists, analyses data from tests and helps its pharma client to gain `time-to-market' advantage. "Normally, for a BPO, back office activities are the target, but we are beginning to spot opportunities in front office activities as well," Cole said."

http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/Cana da/10447.html#11746

direct link

http://h18000.www1.hp.com... clicky clicky

Too fast for ya? T5700 with 1Ghz Transmeta

Really? What do you think these laid-off chip designers are gonna do when they get back to Chennai? Sell trinkets to tourists?

MYTH #3: "R&D jobs don't go overseas. Hell, they don't even leave the US east and west coast, for the most part."

REALITY:

• GE Corporate Research in Bangalore and Shanghai
• HP Opens New Research Center in Singapore
• HP Bangalore Research
• IBM India Research Center
• IBM China Research Center
• Microsoft Research Beijing

REALITY: Per nasscom.org, "A recent study on the biotech market by business intelligence firm, Ernst & Young, has shown that India has the potential to become a leading hub of biotech projects. Indian companies have the capability to enter segments such as manufacturing biogenerics, contract research services, clinical trials and even areas such as bio-informatics."

MYTH #5: "Ultimately, what xenophobes need to realize is that writing shitty code doesn't make anyone "high-tech." You're no more entitled to an inflated salary than the auto workers who saw their work moved overseas - if someone with no education can do your job cheaper, you don't deserve your job."

REALITY: "Accenture in India has also been moving into front office work such as doing clinical data management for its pharma clients. Accenture's pharma team here, which consists of doctors, dentists and biologists, analyses data from tests and helps its pharma client to gain `time-to-market' advantage. "Normally, for a BPO, back office activities are the target, but we are beginning to spot opportunities in front office activities as well," Cole said."

Really? What do you think these laid-off chip designers are gonna do when they get back to Chennai? Sell trinkets to tourists?

MYTH #3: "R&D jobs don't go overseas. Hell, they don't even leave the US east and west coast, for the most part."

REALITY:

• GE Corporate Research in Bangalore and Shanghai
• HP Opens New Research Center in Singapore
• HP Bangalore Research
• IBM India Research Center
• IBM China Research Center
• Microsoft Research Beijing

REALITY: Per nasscom.org, "A recent study on the biotech market by business intelligence firm, Ernst & Young, has shown that India has the potential to become a leading hub of biotech projects. Indian companies have the capability to enter segments such as manufacturing biogenerics, contract research services, clinical trials and even areas such as bio-informatics."

MYTH #5: "Ultimately, what xenophobes need to realize is that writing shitty code doesn't make anyone "high-tech." You're no more entitled to an inflated salary than the auto workers who saw their work moved overseas - if someone with no education can do your job cheaper, you don't deserve your job."

REALITY: "Accenture in India has also been moving into front office work such as doing clinical data management for its pharma clients. Accenture's pharma team here, which consists of doctors, dentists and biologists, analyses data from tests and helps its pharma client to gain `time-to-market' advantage. "Normally, for a BPO, back office activities are the target, but we are beginning to spot opportunities in front office activities as well," Cole said."

REALITY:

• GE Corporate Research in Bangalore and Shanghai
• HP Opens New Research Center in Singapore
• HP Bangalore Research
• IBM India Research Center
• IBM China Research Center
• Microsoft Research Beijing

REALITY:

• GE Corporate Research in Bangalore and Shanghai
• HP Opens New Research Center in Singapore
• HP Bangalore Research
• IBM India Research Center
• IBM China Research Center
• Microsoft Research Beijing

Interesting factoid, HP OpenView on Solaris, Linux, and HP-UX was affected by the blaster worm as well through RPC:

HP document on the vulnerability.

That's what we settled on. The entire rest of our world is Apple PowerBooks, iBooks and Gentoo boxen (except the internal web server -- it's an old RedHat machine).

We tried and tried and tried all the other IMAP servers, since we had to support Outlook XP, only UW-IMAP seemed to work with TLS and Outlook.

I would not want to run Gentoo on my mailserver. I want fast, fire and forget. I love Gentoo and OS X on my G4 PowerBook, on my desktop and even in the server and testbed farms.

Not email.

Not for a while.

I'm sorry, come again? HP and Sony don't perform R&D? You're myopic, right?

Dell may just be a product shop turning out commondities, but I think you're way off base about HP and Sony. Either that or these links are just a figment of my imagination.

Um..

Plastic: Dell Dimension

Plastic: Gateway Sb-4100-B

Plastic: Compaq Presario

3 Standard PC's

Not Plastic: PowerMac G5

I doubt the virus idea is going to fly with most people. However, I made the "I didn't mean to do it" argument the other day too.

Instead of a virus, just blame usability. Here is a paper talking about a usability problem with Kazaa. It seems like you could always blame usability. "I didn't mean to share that directory!" You'd be playing on the technophobia that the judge is likely to have anyway.

The HP xw4100 with Linux preloaded looks more like a real computer.

Rather incredibly, HP-UX 11 actually won't let you use a 10.0.0.X address by default because it blindly (and wrongly) follows these ancient RFC specs ! If you don't believe me, check out this discussion , which thankfully does indeed have the fixes in the thread (patch PHNE_20633 and a hack to nddconf).

Yep, we use 10.X.X.X addresses and got bitten by this with our HP-UX boxes :-(

I can think of several legal arguments. Of course IANA(BS)L.

Here's my favorite - "I didn't know I was sharing those files" - point to papers such as this Kazaa study. Heck, the RIAA is terrified of computers so they may even sympathize with you.

The order form offers up to 512MB RAM and the option of a 7200RPM 80GB hard drive. Even with that, the specs for this model lists "2.0GB maximum system memory". It's really not a bad box for the price, for people who would rather buy preconfigured systems instead of building them from parts.

Actually quoting the GPL? That'll never catch on. ;-)

Before anyone weighs in with the observation that HP can just point customers at Mandrake, they can't. The next clause is:

c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)

In other words, HP: you ship it, you host the source. Do they?

" software & drivers for your compaq d220 ut: Our database did not return results for your Compaq d220 uT"

As you can see, these controllers cost from $59 to $85. Last weekend Fry's was selling a retail boxed 1800 MHz Athlon XP processor with fan included and an ECS motherboard for $59 total. So $80 seems like a lot for a little card with one chip and a flash ROM.

Damn, we paid about $500 for an UltraSCSI 320 RAID controller and you think 80 bucks is expensive? And each one of the 75 GB drives cost $550, ouch!

I guess you allready figured out that I work for the govn't. 8) It's not the same planet as the private sector.