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Look no further: HP Notebook Computer and Mobile Workstation Battery Safety Recall and Replacement Program

Let me stop you right there again.
https://www.newegg.com/Product...
https://www.newegg.com/Product...

Or why not let the SIs speak for you: https://store.hp.com/us/en/cv/...

Considering that I understood the marketing and you did not

To channel my inner Trump: WRONG! You have clearly failed to understand the marketing. Good work finding a detailed description of NAND and ignoring the information that is most front and center to consumers. You're still splitting hairs trying to save your horrible interpretation of the situation while you continue to ignore the ACTUAL MARKETING.

Intel® Optane SSD DC P4800X with Intel Memory Drive Technology enables data centers to deliver more affordable memory pools by displacing a portion of DRAM or significantly increasing the size of memory pools. This solution transparently integrates the drive into the memory subsystem and presents the SSD as DRAM to the OS and applications.

WHOLY SHIT. I mean I was sort of trolling when I said you don't understand marketing. But you actually don't understand marketing! Like at all. It all makes sense now. You tried to discredit a promise Intel made on it's marketing material (which didn't make sense and failed to deliver) with ... a promise made on Intel marketing material.

Dude, get help.

Among the orchards and canneries were people who tinkered with electronics, radio and telephony. Hewlett-Packard's first product in 1939 was an audio osciallator. Defense contractors set up shoop after WW2. Silicon Valley came much later.

Not that I know of... Especially when you compare them against what you can get from Dell, HP, and even Lenovo for under $500. A $600 Chromebook seems like a really big stretch...

Currently there are several problems with Windows 10 for ARM:
a) ARM processors (Snapdragon 835) have the same performance as an Atom chip ( https://www.techspot.com/revie... )
b) There are very few Windows 10 ARM apps
c) Windows 10 ARM does not run Windows 10 x86-64 applications
d) ARM processor does not run emulate Windows 10 x86-32 applications very quickly ( https://www.techspot.com/revie... )

a) / b) / d) can be solved with future ARM processors, c) can be solved in future Windows 10 versions

But I think the main problem is the price: you can have a Windows 10 ARM tablet (HP Envy X2 - https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp... )... for 900 USD. Sorry,but I think it needs to be half the price (at least!)

Why does stating facts seem to piss you off?

Because these particular "Facts" are being SPUN to make them look like they are a behavior/policy/business-model that is EXCLUSIVE to Apple.

Every. Single. Time.

But even this SLIGHTEST effort will show them to be anything BUT Apple-Exclusive behaviors/policies/business-models.

For example: Since we were talking about Adapters (so-called "Dongles"), these were found in about 5 minutes of Googling, and I didn't even have to try hard AT ALL (my search term was [mfg] USB-C Adapter:

https://www.cdw.com/product/De...

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-DA...

https://www.dell.com/en-us/sho...

https://www.dell.com/en-us/wor...

So, where's the Outrage at Dell?

https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp...

https://www.amazon.com/HP-USB-...

https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp... ...and IMHO, the MOST egregious:

https://www.amazon.com/HP-N2Z6...

So where's the outrage at HP?

I could probably go on an on with other laptop OEMs; but I think (hope) you get the point.

I'll take my apology now...

Why does stating facts seem to piss you off?

Because these particular "Facts" are being SPUN to make them look like they are a behavior/policy/business-model that is EXCLUSIVE to Apple.

Every. Single. Time.

But even this SLIGHTEST effort will show them to be anything BUT Apple-Exclusive behaviors/policies/business-models.

For example: Since we were talking about Adapters (so-called "Dongles"), these were found in about 5 minutes of Googling, and I didn't even have to try hard AT ALL (my search term was [mfg] USB-C Adapter:

https://www.cdw.com/product/De...

https://www.amazon.com/Dell-DA...

https://www.dell.com/en-us/sho...

https://www.dell.com/en-us/wor...

So, where's the Outrage at Dell?

https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp...

https://www.amazon.com/HP-USB-...

https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp... ...and IMHO, the MOST egregious:

https://www.amazon.com/HP-N2Z6...

So where's the outrage at HP?

I could probably go on an on with other laptop OEMs; but I think (hope) you get the point.

I'll take my apology now...

I stopped buying HP printers when they stopped supporting Linux properly.

What's wrong with their support? HP Linux imaging and printing

A few years back I selected HP just because of their good Linux support.
I had tried to make a Canon all-in-one to work with my system before that - it had no official support at all, only community hacks.

HP corporation still uses it for downloading patches, drivers, documentation, etc

ftp://ftp.hp.com

Is Dell or HP going to release a new bios/mcode update for 5 year old systems? I doubt it.

Seeing as plenty of hardware for corporations have 5 year contracts for updates, yes. Specifically, HP definitely issued updates for some 5+ year old systems like my Elite 8300 SFF from mid-2012.

Cue the AMD fanboys who aren't getting updates for 8 year old AMD cpu flaws either.

Yes, being I'm such an AMD fanboy I want my Intel system fixed..? I understand at least the point they aren't going to issue updates for all their CPUs because the cost isn't worth it to them, but the fact is that higher end 6 or 7 year old CPUs are still very competitive today with the mid range of CPUs today. It's hard to argue that they're worthless or anything from the consumer end.

HP Elite X2 1012

I thought initially this would be about the ability to properly wipe the device's storage. Now that would have been useful...

I know the HP 840 laptops at my workplace have a hard drive secure erase feature in BIOS. see here

Plenty of options here:
1) Install Windows 10 to an external hard drive. Run the utility before Windows Activation kicks in.
2) Contact them through the battery recall web site and give them your laptop serial number and battery barcode number (yeah, you might have to take it apart - what do you expect?)

According to the FAQ page, if you can't install the validation tool, you should contact HP through the support form: https://batteryprogram687.ext....

Needs beefy machine.

Runs 2011 MBP.

Well, I've been struggling with what I have for a number of years....and right now, the old system doesn't do what I need.

Not to mention, for big purchases, I like to save my nickles and dimes and buy what I want/need with cash and have no buyers remorse...therefore rather than make lots of small purchases, I save up and buy big and best as I can periodically.

Currently, I can bog the little systems down for DAYS at a time with a heavy After Effects render.

And I can't do much with Resolve before it halts things to a snails pace.

So, yes, I'm looking for dropping some coin on a high end workstation type unit, that will hopefully get my preferred workflows going at a manageable speed, and hopefully, last me for a few years to come.

Again, I've looked at something comparable, as recommended by Blackmagic Design, for running Resolve (linux or windows) with the HP Z840...which also get $$$ very quickly.

I did a very quick comparable on the HP z840 to the base iMac pro and it was about $4665...it isn't exact, but is close to what Apple purports the base iMac pro to be. And also, the iMac pro includes the 5K 27" monitor which you would have to add to the HP or other comparable unit.

No, not everyone needs this type of workstation, but if you are wanting to do a good bit of quality video, SPFX and even some high end photography compositing, etc....a nice high end system can make your day and workflow work for you.

Behold! The HP Scanjet Enterprise 9000. 150 pages at a time and a duty cycle of 5000 pages a day. Pretty much fully automated.

Hold on a second while I get out my HP-28S...

100 Boxes is about 150,000 loose pages (assuming banker's boxes). At 5000 pages a day you've got 30 days or one month.

So, at your rate of pay they could have had it all digitized for about $2400. Not including the cost of the scanner (since they made it themselves).

Document storage (paper) is about $0.30/box/month. So assuming that we stored these boxes since 1950, storage costs would be: $24,120.

You're right. They totally should have let you store those files on a USB key bouncing around in your car's glove box. Scanning is 10x cheaper than storing (paper) files.

My current desktop has 2 Xeons in it and room for 256GB of RAM.

Out of curiosity, how quiet is that - in a home setting? I'm looking for something, more preferably with disk/power redundancy, to serve VMs either via Linux or VMWare. I had been looking at older, less expensive, systems like Dell PowerEdge T### systems from places like Server Monkey.

My current desktop has 2 Xeons in it and room for 256GB of RAM. Mobile is always playing catch up. So while this may have an 'i7' and compete fine with older desktops in engineering we've just taken that to mean we get that much faster desktops.

Your statement just makes you look like an asshole. The 8th gen processor in the Surface Book 2 is significantly faster than two year Xeons, and you're a douche for trying to play that down.

My current desktop has 2 Xeons in it and room for 256GB of RAM. Mobile is always playing catch up. So while this may have an 'i7' and compete fine with older desktops in engineering we've just taken that to mean we get that much faster desktops.

Either you're an extreme edge case, or you're wasting a lot of hardware. Congratulations.

My current desktop has 2 Xeons in it and room for 256GB of RAM. Mobile is always playing catch up. So while this may have an 'i7' and compete fine with older desktops in engineering we've just taken that to mean we get that much faster desktops.

I have an HP Touchsmart.

It received a Windows 10 update which (apparently) depended on a BIOS update to be installed first.

I do not know what the update was supposed to do but the PC is now a paperweight with no BIOS.

Not an isolated case:
Here

Here

Here

I have an HP Touchsmart.

It received a Windows 10 update which (apparently) depended on a BIOS update to be installed first.

I do not know what the update was supposed to do but the PC is now a paperweight with no BIOS.

Not an isolated case:
Here

Here

Here

I have an HP Touchsmart.

It received a Windows 10 update which (apparently) depended on a BIOS update to be installed first.

I do not know what the update was supposed to do but the PC is now a paperweight with no BIOS.

Not an isolated case:
Here

Here

Here

I still find people who haven't benchmarked file processing or heavy business logic.
It doesn't take much time to reveal performance gaps.

And sometimes it's cheaper to throw hardware at it. Our engineering workstations are a $75/mo lease.

You *could* just rewrite the business logic in assembly with SSE optimizations and all if you really wanted speed.

For fake dots to work, you'd need to "jam" the dot-code by adding dots to the message.
Doing that would require calibration for every single printer AND probably a special driver (or a customizable one) for every single printer.

And it would only work if steganographic dots are NOT randomly distributed OR they are distributed in a very predictable pseudo-random fashion.
Still... Yellow dots are just one way of including steganographic data in printouts.

One solution conveys data using blocks of output pixel shapes
[3]. Some techniques employ a watermark to convey visual
information [4][5]. One such idea uses two halftoned versions of
the same image that must be overlaid to reveal the hidden bitonal
watermark; the complementary halftones are called "conjugate
pairs" [6][7]. Dispersed-dot dithering approaches also hide data by
manipulating image edges [8], or by toggling pairs of pixels [9].
At Purdue, Allebach has pursued the policy of not disturbing the
data and instead has focused on embedding data in sub-pixel
offsets available in some electrophotographic printers; he calls this
the "printer mechanism" in his feasibility studies [10].
Clustered-dot halftones have been used to carry information
by creating asymmetric shapes in the clusters, such as ovals [11],
and manipulating shape orientation to encode a bit. Limited
information can be embedded in clustered-dot screens by altering
their phase and frequency [12]. For recovering individual ink
patterns from color clustered-dot printed halftones, a solution for
separating the scan of such halftones is reported [13]. Anoto [14]
covers an entire page with dots of the same size and shape where
every dot is shifted from a nominal position as a form of encoding,
but is not in any way used to halftone an image or encode an
arbitrary payload.

Black and white is a mode of the driver.
Steganographic dots are included on the firmware layer.

Besides that... grayscale or even pure black and white are no protection from steganography.
Stegatone encodes about 2k bytes/square inch.

An entire case redesign could be done in 3 months if they weren't such wankers about how it had to look. Pro desktop lines don't need a Johnny Ive video.

A) No Mac, including the Pro models have ever looked shit like a cheap PC.
B) If "Pro desktop lines don't need a Johnny Ive video" - how do you explain this?

What are you smoking?

This new model is pretty modern - touchscreen, apps, wireless, and even has a software emulator for iOS, Android, and Windows.

What are you smoking?

This new model is pretty modern - touchscreen, apps, wireless, and even has a software emulator for iOS, Android, and Windows.

Many, including Hewlett-Packard, use the Windows Update tool to distribute their updates.

I'm at work right now typing on it. It doesn't have this executable, it doesn't have the Conextant audio driver either.

This does make me curious, though, since I recently tested some newer HP laptops/convertibles which had a noticeable cpu eating process called Flow which is also tied to the Conextant audio driver.

We gave them back so I can't check them but it's an interesting coincidence ...

My new laptop at work (ZBook 15 G3) has USB-C. It's everything USB should have been since the beginning.

The very fact that HP has to publish this chart for your laptop and other HP devices shows that it is not "everything USB should have been since the beginning." It's a confusing mishmash of functions potentially provided through the same mechanical interface, with no guarantee that anything is supported except for USB 2.0 signalling.

If I *need* to do some GPU work I can plug in an external GPU. Or gigabit ethernet or any other PCIe device.

Which means that your ZBook 15 G3 has a Thunderbolt-enabled USB-C port. But you've simply called it USB-C, which could also be merely USB 3 Gen2, USB 3 Gen1, or even technically USB 2. Which provides a perfect case study for Microsoft's point.

I bet they could have easily charged a surface on over USB Power Delivery.

Of course, you charge your device through the USB-C port, right? Nope! Your laptop still has a separate charging port. But USB-C should let you charge a device at up to 100W. Don't you have USB-C? You said it could easily be done. Why not?

Which is Microsoft's point...

My new laptop at work (ZBook 15 G3) has USB-C. It's everything USB should have been since the beginning.

Reversible, Just Works(Tm). It'll drive 2 4k external TVs.

Laptop itself has Ethernet, VGA, 3xUSB3.0 and 2xUSB-C ports. Holds 64GB of RAM, 2xM.2 NVMe drives and 1x 2.5" drive.

The dock could still use some work. You shouldn't have to issue a white paper on how to hook up monitors (Which is still wrong, the HDMI port drives 4k just fine.).

If I *need* to do some GPU work I can plug in an external GPU. Or gigabit ethernet or any other PCIe device.

Microsoft screwed up on this one. They're releasing old hardware. I bet they could have easily charged a surface on over USB Power Delivery. It's taken us a while but USB-C is pretty damn good as far as a physical connection. And Thunderbolt 3 is equally as good of a protocol.

For most people if the 'desktop is dead' it's because USB-C/TB killed it. I just want to plug my laptop into cluster of CPUs when I'm at my desk.

Arguably, it's the 'equivalent infrastructure' bit that is particularly unrealistic. Duplicating a set of software components well enough to allow for drop-in replacement is hard enough; but it's at least theoretically doable if the target isn't moving too fast; and it has been done with varying levels of success.

"Infrastructure", though, is something that can't exactly be copied at zero marginal cost; and requires substantially more(both in terms of money;and in terms of things like mapping data) than mere API interoperability.

"API compatible with Google Play Services 10.2" is to "Equivalent infrastructure" roughly what "Eucalyptus" is to "AWS". The one is a piece of software. The other is a great deal bigger.

We can split hairs all day long over this. The Raspberry Pi and its successors are not general-purpose computer systems for the era they are built within. They don't come with a display, keyboard, mouse, they don't have enough RAM to run a modern browser (at least the original Pi doesn't) and even when the RAM was upgraded they still have a pokey ARM chip at the core. The Pi boards are just little bare compute boards. They don't even come with a case or a power supply. They are designed to be embedded devices, not general-purpose computers (in the colloquial sense, not the "it can do more than a highly specialized set of operations" sense.) The Pi is literally nothing more than a cell phone board design modified to expose various ports and GPIO pins. To say that it's a computer is like saying the Apple Watch is a computer. In a strict technical sense it is, but it's not useful to the general public for their day-to-day computing tasks.

If I reference the HP Pavilion p563w, I'm talking about a complete general-purpose computer with very particular specifications sold to the public under a specific model number. Same thing for the Commodore 64, or the Apple IIe, or the Atari ST 1040. When I say "Raspberry Pi B+" I'm talking about a specific model of embedded processing board. To say that "The Raspberry Pi has beaten the Commodore 64 in total sales" while combining the Pi A, Pi B, Pi A+, Pi B+, Pi Zero, Pi 2B, Pi 3B, and all the other Pi variations into the entire brand name "Raspberry Pi" is complete and utter bullshit. To claim that the Pi is a general-purpose computer just because it has USB, ethernet, HDMI, and Wi-Fi is disingenuous at best because it can barely even execute a modern internet browser on some models, if it can run one at all, and once it's running it's unusably slow. Being able to spin up a copy of Firefox or Chromium isn't optional for a computer meant to be useful to the unwashed masses. It's intended to be an embedded device, plain and simple. My Pi B is sitting on a shelf next to me, unused because the only thing it's good for is Xbian, and even that struggles to perform acceptably.

Before anyone says something: no, Midori does not count.

Sure it "runs" but how reliably? I just bought a used http://support.hp.com/us-en/do... for $100 running Windows 8.0 because the previous owner said it ran slow, and I uninstalled Norton AV, and everything was fine. Now I have it running Windows 10 Insider Preview.

I just bought an AMD A8 computer for $100, http://support.hp.com/us-en/do... because the previous owner said it ran slow and apparently had more money than sense. I uninstalled Norton Anti-virus and now it runs just fine,

Apples hardware sucks! HP Z marketing is right!

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campa...

This is where desktops / workstations are not going away anytime soon.

Also apple does not have anything the works good in server room other then running mac os in VM on non apple hardware that works but the license does not let you do that.

Here are links to the CPSC and HP websites for the recall

CPSC
https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2017/HP-Expands-Recall-of-Batteries-for-HP-and-Compaq-Notebook-Computers

HP
http://www.hp.com/go/batteryprogram2016

Why give vague statements like "12 clicks from the bottom, or 75" when they could easily measure the screen brightness for easy comparison to other laptops? Oh, wait, never mind, answered my own question.

Because brightness specs could not be easily duplicated by most people, and wouldn't be that good for cross-comparison purposes anyway, because there isn't a correlation from one brand to another as far as energy-usage and the absolute brightness of the screen.

And call it "vague" all you want; but Apple's spec. Is FAR better than MS' "auto brightness disabled" with NO other conditions regarding the actual brightness setting (which tells me they simply set the brightness to MINIMUM).

And please show me a laptop that provides the information on battery life the way you are expecting Apple to do, ya know, for easy comparison.

For example, this Dell XPS 15, which I swear I picked simply because it seemed to be roughly equivalent to the 15" MacBook Pro, does even LIST battery life, and when you click the "more info" link on the "battery" section, you're treated to a nice, fat 404 Error. That's great for comparison. Now let's try HP:

The Spectre 15" (again picked simply because it looks roughly equivalent, CPU, storage and RAM-wise to the 15" MacBook Pro, (and because I couldn't make heads or tails of Lenovo's 50-thousand different models)). Under "Battery Life", it simply states "Up to 13 hours for FHD display; Up to 9 hours and 30 minutes for UHD display". That's it. No test-conditions, no footnotes, no asterisks, no NOTHING.

So, there are two non cherry-picked examples for you.

I don't know about you; but by comparison, I'd say Apple damn-near publishes a whitepaper on their battery test conditions, so, I'd suggest you simply STFU.

However, powershell *puroports* to have security features like execution policies and signing, so it draws more scrutiny.

Both terrible "security" policies. What would a signature possibly mean to me as a user if I don't know you? With or without a signature, my choice is still: either I run this script I need to my job, or I don't and I can't do my job (or it gets much, much harder). So basically PowerShell's security is no better than any other shell that's come before it; it projects a false sense of security, and like UAC before it, it just gets in your way.

So given the fact that getting a job done is king, and running scripts or programs written by potentially malicious people is the only reasonable way to do your job, then running arbitrary scripts must be made safe. The means to achieve this is the Principle of Least Authority (POLA), and POLA environments can and have been done before, even within commodity POSIX and Windows systems.

The earliest secure POSIX shell that I recall was Plash. Now we also have Shill (requires a kernel module) and the Capsicum shell (also requires kernel modules). Windows can be made POLA secure out of the box as was demonstrated with Polaris.

It's just amazing that we fail to learn the mistakes of the past even when solutions are available.

Like the HP thunderbolt 3 dock? http://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/...

How about something the size of a larger cell phone that can wireless connect to a display and keyboard where it functions like a laptop. And has a dock to turn into a PC? You wouldn't really be gaming on it though.

http://store.hp.com/us/en/ContentView?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&eSpotName=Elite-x3

And HP. Why not vote with your wallet and support those that support you rather than giving money to both Lenovo and Microsoft.

You can build an HP business laptop and choose FreeDOS, which actually shaves $200+ off the price

example:
http://store.hp.com/us/en/Conf...

A) the fact there was no incumbent in the market using underhanded tactics trying to stop it. As an OEM, losing your cosy relationship with Microsoft in exchange for something new and relatively unproven is a *big* deal. So, no big OEMs would ever take that risk.

Despite your unsubstantiated rantings big OEMs did and do "take that risk". Dell in fact offers Ubuntu on their XPS13, their Inspiron line and their Precision line of computers. Samsung sell the Chromebooks of Microsft's biggest competitor, Google, along with Windows laptops. HP advertise it on their laptops, desktops and workstations.

B) Because of A, there never was and probably never will be any significant amount of computers available for sale with Linux pre-loaded, which is the key.

As listed above there are plenty. They even had them on the shelves at Best Buy but nobody wanted them. Instead of desperately trying to make excuses and blame Microsoft maybe you should consider capitalizing on the extremely low barrier to entry of Linux (preloaded by major OEMs, freely downloadable online, available to try or to install from USB sticks).

D) The general public expects a computer to run Windows, to the point where I've repeatedly been told that a computer "can't run unless it has Windows on it".

Rubbish, one of the biggest selling lines of personal computers in the world is the Mac.

From the Apple support pages themselves!

This is quite good.

However, while there is a lot of information about interference from Microwave ovens and WiFi, I could not find anything specifically about shipping or radar. Perusing information about the UHF band shows that two-way radio could be a source of interference, however most shipping uses VHF for ship-shore and ship-ship communication. The ISM band is the most likely cause of interference, however, again, I can't easily identify anything that would be used by regular commercial shipping.

Sorry, it's a useless post, can anyone else illuminate us?

Two I encountered last week after speaking with tech support folks:

http://en.community.dell.com/

http://h30434.www3.hp.com/

Dell's phone eventually (2nd try) got me someone who understood the problem and escalated it. HP's guy explained to me that the problem I was having with the USB keyboard not functioning in the BIOS setup was due to my not having installed the Windows USB 3.0 drivers :-)

The companies that provide excellent technical support on the first contact have dwindled alarmingly. Supermicro, Mellanox, and Intel have provided consistently excellent support when I've contacted them. Others have by and large been hit or miss.

Seriously if you want an ad, check out HP's zbook ultrabook line. A laptop with a xeon proc, 64gb ecc ram, and 2 drive bays. It's a portable server. THAT, my friend, is high-end.