Slashdot Mirror

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/tablet/thinkpad/thinkpad-tablet-2/ *drool

A laptop and a tablet

No.

Neither Apple (PDF) nor Lenovo (PDF) show their profits per product segment, although Apple does show its revenues ($4,933,000 on Macs, down 3% from this quarter last year).

Comparing the overall profits and revenues from both companies would be pointless here as we're specifically discussing their PC lines, not their phones or tablets. Unless you were planning on pulling a strawman to expand the scope.

Yeah, there have been no tablets with a full OS on them previous to now. Not a single one.

The difference: Nobody likes full blown Windows on a tablet. That's why nobody, including you, remembers that they've existed for a decade.

Yeah, there have been no tablets with a full OS on them previous to now. Not a single one.

The difference: Nobody likes full blown Windows on a tablet. That's why nobody, including you, remembers that they've existed for a decade.

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/thinkpad/xtablet-series/x230t/

I wish these were less of a niche- product, and reduced the cost a bit...
Also reduce form factor by a tiny bit while we're at it and there's a
"tablet killer" (or killer tablet, depending how you look at it) right there.

how about these? http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=34294F13CE4B1A2EFDCFAA6B11BB1C0D

Yes they are a bit bigger than the mac-mini, but if that is the biggest concern then yes, the mini is your only option.

You make it sound like vendors such as HP, System76, Lenovo etc. don't have already existing, presupported hardware setups for Linux that have full hardware acceleration. Maybe in future you should buy supported hardware to run on Linux instead? Because if you aren't going to buy properly supported hardware, VALVe supporting Linux isn't going to magically make it work anymore than it is now.

Onenote? What about Onenote? Get me firefox, mplayer, onenote, and an ereader on a tablet with bluetooth, wifi, decent battery, and stylus capabilities, and I'll pay real money for it. If it is sunlight readable, I'd pay double.

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/thinkpad/xtablet-series/

You can also take almost any tablet and install a custom linux on it. Obviously some are more difficult to re-install than others.

Sure they do!
http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/thinkpad/xtablet-series/x230t/
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/5169094-5169094-5102710-5256972-5256964-5071191.html?dnr=1
http://www.dell.com/us/k-12/p/latitude-xt3/pd

But they still have all the same drawbacks that made them unpopular before the iPad. Of those, the Lenovo is the only one really worth your while. I suspect after Windows 8 launches, we're going to see a whole new set of convertible/hybrid tablet PCs that are built for consumers with better prices and longer battery life. We've already seen a slew at Computex, some which were bizarre, some which were very promising.

Yeah, just get one that is also called a convertible touchscreen laptop. :)

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/thinkpad/xtablet-series/

The reason to run Android instead of a regular linux mostly is that the "tablets" run on the same low powered CPUs as phones, because that gives the best battery life.

ThinkPad W Series power adapters can pull 170watts.

http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/product-and-parts/detail.page?&LegacyDocID=MIGR-76762

... how can I buy an (otherwise) high-end laptop with "only" intel graphics? How can I get a quad-core i7 with full HD (or better) and intel graphics?

It's a fair question. My usual answer to most of this class of question is to say Lenovo. Check out the Lenovo 530. Hit the customize button. You will be able to pick all the way up to Core i7-3520M, display type up to 15.6" 1920x1080 LED backlit anti-glare, and still pick Intel HD Graphics 4000. It takes a little diligence to see what they will let you build. There are two even higher processors which for some reason they won't sell without Nvidia; who knows why - but this ones fills the bill. I am sure there are others.

BTW, Lenovo rules.

You mean like what is here? Yes it would be easier if they gave a Linux support flag on the actual model page, instead of flipping between these two pages (or gave pricing info on the Linux page), but it is better than many vendors.

So for 3 phones you have to pay:
$40: 1st phone (smart one)
$30: 2nd phone (basic!)
$30: 3rd phone (basic?)
$50: 1GB
===+
$150 for 1GB shared data or $50/month for 333MB if shared evenly. WTF is Verizon thinking!

In other news I read Lenovo becoming an access provide:
http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1602
In NL the prices would be 2GB for 35EUR/month or 5GB for 50EUR/month.
I thought that these prices were to expensive already.

I've had great performance with a Lenovo W520, using it for work. Nice sale for Memorial day

http://shopap.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/auweb/LenovoPortal/en_AU/builder.workflow:Enter?sb=%3A000000AD%3A00000525%3A&smid=2331781DDEAA69918104AF82946DF781

I have a Lenovo one that seems to do as what your friend needs (or needed).
http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/detail.page?LegacyDocID=MIGR-4JTRRF.

I acts just like the numeric keypad on a regular 101 keyboard, complete with Numlock that toggles the function of the buttons (sadly no status LED though). I verified with a key scan tool and pushing the buttons on the keypad register the exact same values as on a standard 101 PS/2 keyboard. Mine is several years old but they seem to be still available if you still need one. My guess is that the most of the ones with a proper Num lock key and both sets of legends printed on the keys would act properly.

The Only tasks you can really accomPlish with a 5 year old notebook is email and (light) web surfing.

That's complete bullshit. I'm typing this on an IBM ThinkPad T42: http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/detail.page?LegacyDocID=MIGR-57838

Over the years, I've upgraded it to 2GB RAM, bought Windows 7 Professional x86, installed a 320GB HD, and at this point it's pretty much "maxed out", from a hardware perspective [1]. As I type this, it's running Windows 7 Pro x86, playing music via Winamp, has Outlook running, Opera, Ubuntu in a VM under VirtualBox (Why? Why not? *grin*) and 2 RDP sessions to other systems on my home network and is quick and responsive - perfectly suited for the things for which I use it.

Like most peecee users, you don't really DO anything with the machine (ie photos, slideshows, movie creation).

I think I'm doing things with it, and doing them quite well, thanks very much. YOUR problem is that you think that the tasks that you list are the ONLY things worthy of a computer.

If you did, you'd realize how outdated and underpowered it really is.

Again, bullshit. Underpowered for the tasks that you think are important? Sure. Useless, as you imply? Not hardly.

Regards,

dj

Notes:

[1] Now, for those of you who are wondering why I'd spend money to upgrade an "obsolete" laptop such as this? That's easy: I didn't pay for it. It was broken when I got it. I fixed it (because I can), and then bought RAM for it when it was dirt cheap... and bought the HD the same way. My total investment in it, from a cash perspective, was more than worth it to me. In return, I got a rock-solid laptop that is quick and responsive, to keep in my garage, which isn't heated or cooled, but despite that it keeps running, day in, day out, and gives me access to my home network, the Internet [2], when I'm puttering about in the garage, and has done so for years. I don't have to baby it, don't even back it up: I don't store anything on it that I'd miss if it stopped working, because that's what my NAS and its backups are for. Now, if the prices of the Pentium M 765 would finally drop to about $50 US, I'd buy one...

[2] I just replaced the Intel 2200 b/g WiFi NIC with a TP-Link Wireless N adapter. Had to patch the BIOS (via the commonly available No 1802 patch) to do so, but now I have Wireless N connectivity to my home network. WELL worth it, for the $ 19 US that I paid, plus a little time researching and tinkering.

[3] This note has no reference from above :)

I was shopping around a few months ago. ALL laptops have that resolution

ALL doesn't mean what you think it does.

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t420s

> Display type
> 14.0 HD+ (1600 x 900) LED Backlit Antiglare Display, Mobile Broadband Ready

My current t410s is 1440x900

I realize you are really busy calling an Android Tablet owner an Apple Apologist and compiling a list of all those design elements Apple stole from WD, but you really should stop and look at what an Apple TV that predates the WD Elements by two years looks like.

I did look at the earlier ones, they look nothing like the current one, yet the current one looks very much like a WD Elements.
Original AppleTV, then came the WD Elements, then the next AppleTV.

But you said I've never seen one, so I'll still require detailed descriptons of Apple's specific ripoffs.

If you require detailed descriptions it means you can't see the similarities in the devices themselves, and if you claim you can't see them in the devices themselves you are being deliberately obtuse because no-one with the gift of sight could be that stupid.

Are you saying you cannot see the obvious design elements that have been copied? You really cannot see them and need them explained to you?

I'm honestly unable to understand what you mean by this phrase and parenthetical explanation. What is a "real Tablet PC" capable of that an iPad is not?

I have a distinct feeling you're speaking from ignorance (rather than just outright trolling) but I am curious if there is a difference you (or others) care to share.

His statement is a bit inflammatory and opinionated, but he's right about Tablet PCs being something different: they are a distinct type of system intended to cover both tablet and notebook use cases in a single device. A 'pure' tablet like the iPad or various Android ones is a different class of device that tends to be used for a different use case.

"Tablet PC" refers to hybrid convertible notebooks, which can be used as either a normal notebook (with keyboard) or as a tablet, usually with a wacom digitiser, by rotating the screen on its hinge and then closing the notebook. Due to the design, they're bulkier than a pure tablet but more flexible, and the existence of a proper digital pen instead of a stylus is useful for many due to things like improved accuracy, pressure sensitivity, buttons on the pen, etc.

Fujitsu and Lenovo are, as far as I know, the primary makers of these types of systems (example: Fujitsu Lifebook), though Asus also made a low-end one in its EeePC line, the Eee PC T101.

It also usually implies x86 architecture with Windows (or Linux), but that is more of a user expectation; the devices are primarily defined by the hybrid design, not by their OS or software. If the Axiotron Modbook didn't remove the keyboard as part of the conversion process it would probably be considered a TabletPC as well.

Some tablets are starting to blur the distinction, however, such as Lenovo's Thinkpad Tablet, which is an Android touch-based tablet that also has optional parts that make it act more like a TabletPC. Specifically, a pressure-sensitive digital pen (by N-trig) and a keyboard case that plugs into its USB port and turns the device into something more akin to a netbook. Another example is the Asus Eee Pad Transformer", which acts as a keyboard/

(For what it's worth, I have the TPT and love having an android device with a stylus. Haven't gotten the keyboard folio, and I'm not sure I even want it. I have a notebook for that.)

You mean like one of these: HP EliteBook 2760p Tablet PC OR ThinkPad X200t Tablet OR Dell Latitude XT3 Tablet PC ??

All of these currently available, but they sell in really low volumes. Don't know why... I have been using a tabletpc since last 5 years due to my RSI/CTS and the convenience it offers without taking away from the laptop features. But somehow these never took off though there is some demand from niche areas. Probably, there are much less content creation people and much more content consumers than we think.

I never could find any use for the Android/iOS/WebOS tablets except the occasional need to browse the net while watching TV or while waiting/commuting etc - maybe 10-20 min a day max. Even my kids ignore the ipad lying at home - But tablets selling in millions while tabletpc languish in the low '000 !

And current tabletpc models are quite light and with great battery life - so that isn't the reason. Only thing i can see is that there's no app market to waste time with newer and newer games on these.

What I'd like is a modern version of the "tablet" computers that Lenovo was selling 8 years ago. The kind where you could flip the screen around and use the thing as a tablet, or you could open it up and have a working laptop? Couple that with an ultraportable 13" laptop that tips the scales around 3lbs, and they could make a ton of money on it. Wouldn't even be that hard, they'd just have to rearrange the hinge design on the laptop I have right now (a Dell Vostro V130), and replace the LCD with a touchscreen. I'd even be willing to accept one that requires a stylus instead of finger input. It would be hugely useful. I would be willing to accept the extra bulk inherent in that kind of design in exchange for the increased usability, and I'd still have something that's more portable than the heavier 15" or 16" laptops most people buy.

Well, you're in luck then, because Lenovo decided to make one just for you. Oh wait, they never stopped making them.

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/notebooks/thinkpad/x-series-tablet/x220tablet

In all seriousness, did you even bother searching? Lenovo as a brand did not exist 8 years ago, but Lenovo the company have been making laptops and tablets for IBM for a very long time. Then in 2005 Lenovo bought IBM's computer division, but for the next year or two they still sold products under IBM's brand.

Regardless, either IBM or Lenovo have been selling tablet PCs for close to a decade (I might be off by a couple of years). Their latest one, the X220 has both finger and pen input.

Yeah, that photo is impressive.

1600 WH, for those who are uncalibrated, is approximately enough power to run a hair dryer non-stop for an hour: the maximum amount of power you can get out of a standard US wall outlet, for a solid hour straight. It would run your laptop for 2 to 3 years without sleeping. In other words, a highly non-trivial amount of electrical oomph.

You are off by two orders of magnitude. This 6-cell battery is approximately 55Wh and is rated for 8 hours. Thus a 1600wh battery is enough to run your laptop for about 30 times as much, which is 240 continuous hours. That's 10 days.

For those too lazy to Google: here you go

Unless you were recommending he buy used which is the only way he could get close to a price point I would consider cheap the current model is the X220T. I've deployed a few to our executives and they are the best version of the X series tablets to date.

The ones I was thinking of are Lenovos. I'll do you one better, this one gets up to 23 hours on a charge. If my laptop is any indication their estimate is probably pretty accurate.

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/thinkpad/x-series/x220/

Tablet PCs existed long before iPad launch and in terms of raw performance Tegra is a joke comparing for example to this:

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/products/professional-grade/thinkpad-laptops/x-series-tablets/x220-tablet.shtml

The ThinkPad Tablets are tough as nails and include a digitizer screen and stylus. They sense when you are using the stylus and can filter out your palm touching the screen so they are very comfortable to write on.

The Lenovo tablet was designed to enable note taking, with an intelligent stylus that communicates with the tablet, and handwriting recognition software as well. My girlfriend has one and likes it quite a bit:

  http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/tablet/thinkpad/

http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/App-Quill-handwritten-notes-v6/td-p/561697

People swear by this app for handwritten notes with the think

The Lenovo tablet was designed to enable note taking, with an intelligent stylus that communicates with the tablet, and handwriting recognition software as well. My girlfriend has one and likes it quite a bit:

  http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/tablet/thinkpad/

There were three things that annoyed me when I tried to use tablets to take notes. The first is that I couldn't rest my wrist on the screen. The second is that there was a delay between writing and seeing the results on the screen, and I just couldn't get use to that. Finally, I couldn't get enough written to compare to a paper page of the same size (probably because of the fat-finger styluses mentioned above). How does the Lenovo tablet fare in these situations? I'd love to have a tablet I could really use to write on, and I'd buy one in a second, but I just can't deal with any issues in those areas.

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/tablet/thinkpad/

I used a version of this tablet going through electrical engineering studies and it was great for taking notes. Whatever you do, stay away from resistive touch screens as it makes taking notes much harder as other input (i.e. hand resting on screen) besides the stylus affects your writing. Lenovo thinkpad tablets are very well designed and supported. While mine is over 6 years old, it still looks and runs great.

The Lenovo tablet was designed to enable note taking, with an intelligent stylus that communicates with the tablet, and handwriting recognition software as well. My girlfriend has one and likes it quite a bit:

http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/tablet/thinkpad/

In the US Lenovo sells ThinkPads without an OS (actually they come with DOS). When I bought one in May the discount was around $150 (including taxes) compared to the same laptop with Windows Vista.

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/special-offers.workflow:ShowPromo?LandingPage=/All/US/Landing_pages/Promos/thinkpad/ThinkPad_DOS

You can still order certain models without Windows: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/thinkpad-laptops-with-dos.shtml

• Core i7-2960XM Extreme (8MB L3 Cache, 2.70GHz)
• 1920 x 1080 or higher screen resolution
• 15.9" or smaller
• Manufacturer openly supports booting Linux

You may say I'm not the typical user, but I'm typing this on a Macbook Pro. I'm a power user and I do indeed need the 2960XM Extreme 2.7GHz. I also have to have the portability of a 15" and be able to develop software and engineering solutions in remote locations. So yes, I'm not the typical user. But I am a typical professional, and I have found Macs to be the best tool for the job - in the past.

About that manufacturer support one: since this is my primary work laptop, I'll only be buying one that I can send in for warranty service and overwrite the OS with Linux.

The results:
Dell: They have a paltry list of "no OS" options. Most of their laptops top out at a Core i7 2.50 GHz. Fail.
Apple: They don't support any other OS's. I'll compromise - Mac OS is based on BSD. But they also top out at a Core i7 2.50 GHz, and the screen is only 1680 x 1050. Oh, and to get even just those two specs: $2,549! Fail!
Lenovo: has a No OS special offer but also tops out at a Core i7 2.50 GHz.
System 76: Right here.

You burn the recovery DVD from the recovery partition. If you blew it away, you can buy the physical media for a few bucks. The exact part number depends on the exact version and language you need: Linky.

... And I know this because Lenovo has the same part number lookup system that they inherited from IBM, so it only took me a minute to find. They're pretty good about documenting this stuff. If the tech support monkey couldn't find it you either couldn't express your request in English or you started shouting "fuck lenovo I'm buying a mac" on the phone and they gave up trying to help you.

I say all this as someone who's pretty familiar with the insides of ThinkPads, Latitudes, Evo N (HP/Compaq before the Probooks and Elitebooks), and MacBooks:

ThinkPads are still about as good as it comes for a solid corporate laptop. Aside from being sturdy, they're serviceable. Just as an example: when you need to fix something, get a copy of the Hardware Maintenance Manual, and you'll get detailed procedures on how to do it, and all the part numbers for replacements.

Have fun with that MacBook. Apple won't tell you how to open it. People make howtos and then don't label them with which exact models it applies to. When you eventually find one, good luck prying the stupid case open without damaging it... those clips are a bitch, you'll bend the trim, and it'll never go back together quite right. And you'll have to do that every time you want to change any part, be it the hard drive (not in a sled), the LCD (screws that can't be removed without unbolting the hinges from inside the main body), unjam the DVD (ah, slot-loaders), or repair the lid-latch.

Apple doesn't patronize their users.

Yeah... Keep telling yourself that while you're waiting at the Genius Bar after you've realized those things are too much of a pain to fix it yourself and you'd rather pay the temple a couple hundred bucks to do it for you.

You burn the recovery DVD from the recovery partition. If you blew it away, you can buy the physical media for a few bucks. The exact part number depends on the exact version and language you need: Linky.

... And I know this because Lenovo has the same part number lookup system that they inherited from IBM, so it only took me a minute to find. They're pretty good about documenting this stuff. If the tech support monkey couldn't find it you either couldn't express your request in English or you started shouting "fuck lenovo I'm buying a mac" on the phone and they gave up trying to help you.

I say all this as someone who's pretty familiar with the insides of ThinkPads, Latitudes, Evo N (HP/Compaq before the Probooks and Elitebooks), and MacBooks:

ThinkPads are still about as good as it comes for a solid corporate laptop. Aside from being sturdy, they're serviceable. Just as an example: when you need to fix something, get a copy of the Hardware Maintenance Manual, and you'll get detailed procedures on how to do it, and all the part numbers for replacements.

Have fun with that MacBook. Apple won't tell you how to open it. People make howtos and then don't label them with which exact models it applies to. When you eventually find one, good luck prying the stupid case open without damaging it... those clips are a bitch, you'll bend the trim, and it'll never go back together quite right. And you'll have to do that every time you want to change any part, be it the hard drive (not in a sled), the LCD (screws that can't be removed without unbolting the hinges from inside the main body), unjam the DVD (ah, slot-loaders), or repair the lid-latch.

Apple doesn't patronize their users.

Yeah... Keep telling yourself that while you're waiting at the Genius Bar after you've realized those things are too much of a pain to fix it yourself and you'd rather pay the temple a couple hundred bucks to do it for you.

Firmware in a battery
Smart batteries are used by Apple, Lenovo, HP/Compaq, and other companies.

I guess I am a bit late to this party. Any how, I recommend a Lenovo laptop. They have a solid build quality but are slightly expensive (compared to Dell). Check out the Lenovo laptop chooser (shop.lenovo.com) to help you decide your specs, even if you are not going to buy from them. And like some others mentioned giving preference to business laptops may be better in the long run. Good luck!

The new thinkpads coming out late march will still have modems.

And why not, they probably cost pennies in components these days.

I went from a Thinkpad (which I bought with SUSE preinstalled, and which now is used as a linux server and is still in great condition) to a Macbook Pro, and I had exactly the same concerns you did: keyboard & mouse nub, and glossy screen (I have a 13"). I don't care about the convertible tablet thing, but that's kind of an unusual requirement (and I didn't know you could get a Thinkpad that does that?)

Sure, they're pretty much the only serious option if you're in the market for a convertible tablet:

http://shop.lenovo.com/us/notebooks/thinkpad/x-series-tablet

I spent plenty of time trying them out in the store, and I was fairly used to the keyboard and OS X for light use as I frequently used the Mac computer lab while in grad school as it was conveniently located (I generally only used those computers to kill time). When I bought it, I still wasn't sure I would like not having those features I thought were so important on the Thinkpad, but thought the thing was so nice otherwise that it was worth it.

Well, within a couple days, my opinion totally changed about those Thinkpad features. They keyboard on the Macbook Pro is fantastic - it doesn't seem like it should be if you look at it, but it's almost perfect. The only thing I don't like is that the "fn" key is farthest to the left on the bottom row, rather than the control key - but it's like that on the Thinkpad too! Otherwise, the feel and usability of the keyboard is excellent. When I type on the Thinkpad now, I still consider it good compared to most keyboards these days, but not *as* good.

Matter of preference, I suppose. The MacBooks and MacBookPros I've typed on (most of the MacBooks I've typed on were last-gen, and the MBP was the one that was just replaced) had decent keyboards, but still nothing compared to the compact shallow-travel clicky keyboards on an X series Thinkpad, or a R/T 6x/400/500 with an NMB keyboard...

There's also the matter of the butt-ugliness of the black chiclet keys on brushed metal, but I'm sure most people would disagree with me on that.

The mouse nub? The Macbook Pro touchpad is easily 100x more useful and easy to use (and the touchpad on the Thinkpad is essentially unusable, as with most non-Apple laptops). It's, again, fantastic - I have a mouse plugged in when I'm at my desk, but I only use it for really precise stuff in e.g. Photoshop (though most of my photo editing gets done with the touchpad - there are just a few photoshop things where it isn't easy to use).

Now that makes me feel like you were nowhere near as big a trackpoint fan as most Thinkpad users are. The beauty of the trackpoint is, essentially, that you never need to move your hands away from the keyboard. If you type a lot (I should think that most Slashdot users do :P), that's a fantastic feature that won't ever be outdone by the fanciest of multitouch gestures and ever larger trackpads.

A lesser, but still very important feature: Scrolling multiple windows is just so much more efficient with a trackpoint - take a two-paned text editor (Notepad++ in my case, love that little program), comparing two documents one another, and having to scroll each pane separately quite often... this is something I do daily. With the trackpoint, I keep my finger on the nipple, my thumb on the scroll button, and am able to scroll each pane with minimal effort. On a trackpad, it's much more complicated - not only to I have to take my fingers off of my home row, but I also need to lift my fingers between scrolls (trackpoint scrolling is continuous, hold the scroll button and push the trackpoint up, down, left or right, depending which way you want to scroll, and press harder or softer to control the scrolling speed), lift my fingers when switching between scrolling and moving the mouse pointer (to tell the system which of the two panes I want to scroll -

Lenovo Ideapad tablet Still technically an tablet but more of an x86 netbook)

Apple iPad

Considering that their roughly the same price (at the low end) and the Lenovo is going to do just about everything a PC can do (minus heavy duty gaming) vs the iPad, which will do what an iphone can do. I'd stick with the Lenovo. It's just a more open and capable platform. And if you're asking why the Xoom isn't in this comparison? at $600 it's not even in the same league. The Lenovo wins hands down on price alone.

The only things the tablets bring to the table is size and battery life, and I think I'll put up with a power cord and a little heftier weight from both my netbook and my fatter wallet.

That inconsistency is part of the trouble with the awesome bar. I don't go to Accuweather too often, but I've been there in the last couple of weeks. If I type in 'ac' or 'www.ac', my options are, in order:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=662909&page=2
http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/board.pl?action=userinfo&user=
http://www.neatorama.com/2010/10/07/new-software-adjusts-actors-body-shapes-automatically/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Neatorama+(Neatorama)
https://chaseonline.chase.com/MyAccounts.aspx
http://www.accuweather.com/
http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/#ss

I find this asinine, but some people like it. That's fine. Give me the option to have something sane and consistent. As someone else mentioned elsewhere, if they would just put the items with exact matches at the beginning of the domain first on the list (or give the option for it), it would help a lot. Then they'd just have to work on how slow it is.

Have you checked out the Lenovo Thinkpad USB keyboard yet? Supposedly it's the same keyboard ripped right from the notebook:

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=38&Code=55Y9003

Or maybe stop selling their PC division to a Chinese-based company.

There are already tons of Windows tablets with both a digitizer based stylus and multitouch. Apple just cheaped out on their touch screen.

It's not that hard, but you won't find them on a $600 laptop.

Ok, according to http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:expandcategory?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=0549C687E3D24BBD998B20D96BBB1281 the Lenovo S10 Starts at 330 USD. Can you please post a reference for the 250 USD ?