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I have a (Hyper 212 Plus) which is very similar to the N520, it's the size of the radiators used by these liquid coolers and it has amazing cooling ability.

The N520 performs quite a bit worse than the Hyper 212 Plus. It was a step backward for Cooler Master. For the numbers of damn near every heatsink, see FrostyTech. They never drop heatsinks off their comparison, so the latest review always gives the full picture.

Although it's a little pricier now than when I bought, the Zaward Vapor 120 is the best under $50 heatsink by far, but the 212 Plus at $26 is definitely worth it, and makes me wonder why the $34 at best N520 even exists.

You're totally right. My brain mistake. I have seen 32" tv's for the 300 - 400 dollar range recently, though.

They can be had very cheaply, as you say. Probably much more cheaply than people realize.

MP3 port = AUX Input
This = Dock Connector

Ignorant and uninformed? Hmm...

If you're patient, you can get a dell for up to 40% off, and although it's not quite as drastic with Lenovo, the same is true. This macbook will ALWAYS be expensive.

That's not as clear-cut as you make it sound. As you said, you have to be "patient" to get such a huge discount on your Dell. That's in part because those discounts happen when Dell wants to move a line faster, e.g., to update it.

Guess what: a similar thing happens with Macs. Not from Apple, mind you, but from other resellers. For example, I have been receiving this offer from MacMall for way more than a month:

Apple
15.4" MacBook Pro Glossy Screen - Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz, 2GB Memory, 160GB Hard Drive Notebook
Apple's Normal Price $2499
MacMall's Normal Price $2494
MacMall's Sale Price $1798.99
Mail-in Rebate $200
You Save from Apple's Price $900.01 (36%)

Note that even though the offer is still available, I copied this text from a one mont old email I fished out of the trash (it automatically deletes messages after one month). I'm sure that I was receiving it for several weeks before that because that was an option I was contemplating for a friend who finally bought a new MB Pro (but the basic one, not the top 15" one that replaced the one in the offer).

Price drop: mac is now $569.
link

NEW! Mac mini
1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
1GB/80GB 7200rpm/Combo Drive
Gigbit Ethernet/ wifi / bluetooth
firewire/usb 2.0
infrared remote
Intel GMA 950 graphics with 64MB shared memory
Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard
optical audio
Built-in stereo speakers + 12 watt amplifier
FREE Shipping, Parallels Desktop 3.0, Epson Stylus Printer

upgrade to a second gig of memory +$49
add a cheap external (fast) diskdrive if you want more storage.

From the AVG free version license: http://free.grisoft.com/doc/98/us/frt/0

You must not use the program in a network or on more than one computer. This particular software version is distributed free of charge, therefore, the applicable license is only granted for home use thereof. In case of this free version, the program is not subject to any guarantees, and the user has no right to any technical support whatsoever.

So: http://www2.grisoft.com/doc/buy/us/crp/0 2 years AVG Antivirus: $39
- or -
2 years AVG Internet Security: $70

So, 3 years of AVG Internet security is another $140.00. - total is $1,040.00

http://www.macmall.com/macmall/families/new_promo~dp~7349100~family~macbook~promo~1.asp Apple MacBook: $1,019.00

The Apple is cheaper over 3 or more years.

There lowest base 17" model did have Intel GMA950 video. Here's one on MacMall. If you were getting the cheapest iMac you had to settle for Intel video.

whereas Macs are always the same price, no drops, no competitive pricing, nothing. A macbook is a macbook is $1,099 is $1,099. No matter where you go.

There are no OEMs of Apple-platform computers, but Apple authorized resellers regularly sell Intel Macs with Windows XP pre-installed.

Well, they sell x86 Intel microcomputers, which you can buy from several resellers pre-installed with Windows, so.. what were we talking about?

By this standard they're a marginal PC manufacturers, with a market share on the scale of the Sony Vaios.

There's vendors that will do it for you:

http://www.macmall.com/

This also knocks off the added-cost argument from the parent troll. I'll probably go this route on my next mac mini.

And this batshitloonball considers himself an editor?

"After you've already been overcharged for a Mac, you need to spend another hundred dollars or so buying Windows, just for the privilege of tainting the Apple core with Microsoft's OS. "

Which doesn't really jive with MacMall and other vendor's offers of free Windows XP bundles / pre-installations. http://www.macmall.com/

Considering recent popular press about Bloggers and their lack of fact checking - and considering PCmall / Macmall ADVERTISES in PCWORLD - the lazy cunt wouldn't have to even miss his fucking Bagel Break checking this shit out.

Must be nice to collect a check for all that sweat on his brow. PAH!

Also his name calling is oh-so professional....par for the course for a cocksucking leach of other people's oxygen whose ballsack has been gnawed off from a ferrit with rabies.

(note: author's language degrades from minutes elapsed between smoke breaks)

It seems like there are a lot of things that PDA's should do but they don't. I have a Palm Tungsten E, and I keep thinking it should be more useful. For instance, the other day I needed some information I had on my USB flash drive, but I had nothing handy it could interface with; shouldn't this be the job of my PDA? Doesn't anyone who designs these things have this kind of inspiration?

Incidentally, I have an uninformative story about this product. A friend of mine had one in his Treo, which he dropped in the parking lot. The SD card popped out and shot off somewhere under a car; he didn't notice it until he got home. The next day, he spent a half-hour looking for it in the lot, and just as he was about to give up, he found it (quite a ways away -- apparently, the Treo can function as a small cannon). It had gotten wet from the rain during the night, but he dried it off, put it back in the Treo, and it worked. Ah, the wonders of solid-state technology!

--- SER

Just looking through the MacMall external storage section shows a number of drives that meet his requirements.

Would be nice too if Apple would fix OS X so it didn't reset all the #@*& USB buses 1.5 seconds into boot, so we could boot X off our flash drives.

Would be nice too if Apple would fix OS X so it didn't reset all the #@*& USB buses 1.5 seconds into boot, so we could boot X off our flash drives.

http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail~dpno~46 3024.asp

been out for at least a year now too.

Or MacMail?

Even if the software supported that feature, it would be a mistake to use it on most systems. DVD burning is something you have to do all at once, unless you're short of coasters. Running a lot of CPU intensive processes, such as recording and TV show and encoding it to DVD format, has a high liklihood of causing a fatal interruption. Maybe you could do it on a high-end system -- but a consumer DVD recorder is a lot cheaper.

You mean ... THIS Doom 3?

This thread's context was bound to be left out. We're talking here about end-user machines, not machines built by nerds who enjoy doing things to computers. With this in mind, let me elaborate a little more:

you can't use Linux as a decent desktop operating system, and it really sucks on laptops. Beyond web browsing, e-mail, basic forms of text editing, and the clumsy-assed open-office suite, your average end-user productivity on a Linux system is limited.

Very little Mac OS X can do that linux can't? Get real. iLife anyone? iSync? YOU might not care, but many of us do. Where's the linux address book application that interoperates with many other applications. iCal? It's a whole package, i'm not looking at the kernel. Sure if you say "well, if you install OS X kernel and basic extensions and you do the same with Linux, well you've got basically the same thing". Well you can install and run Darwin, the core of Mac OS X, with X11, for free, on both X86 and PowerPC architectures. Butl that's not what Mac OS X is, it's a complete package of an operating system and productivity apps.

Furthermore, try closing your linux laptop and reopening it. How do you deal with multiple network profiles in Linux? Mac OS X handles this beautifully. Network ports are clearly laid out, for each network profile, each port is easily configurable, in a user-interface that makes sense. Windows' network configuration has always been horrible. Linuxconfig isn't much better.

Linux can't deal with external devices, be they USB, FireWire, Bluetooth, without hunting-down some damned drivers. I can plug ANYTHING to an OS X machine and it just works. Digital Still Cameras, DV Camcorders, i'm using a USB IBM 5 buttons + scroll wheel mouse for which I didn't have to install any software, same goes for ALL USB mice on the market, Bluetooth phones (i use sony ericsson t610), external hard drives, printers, you-name-it, if it you can plug it in, it works.

When was the last time you built a laptop yourself? Or upgraded a laptop's CPU? It ain't exactly the cake-walk that building desktops is. Portable Athlon64 with Linux? I dare you to buy one and use it as your everyday machine.

I've pretty clearly established that there are, indeed, quite a few things that Mac OS X can do, that Linux cannot do. What was the thing you mentioned that Mac OS X can't do that Linux can? Oh yah ... hovering over a window to gain focus? You don't gain focus when hovering in X11, you gain a response from that window, focus is still governed by clicking. But hey, if you don't like Aqua, that's fine, you can run X11 on your mac just fine. Apple ships its own version of X11 on the developer CD that ships with Mac OS X. You can install most everything you run on Linux on OS X, including X11 apps, thanks to projects such as Fink. You had also prefaced your sentenced with "at the expert user, server maintainer, or developer", again, this is not what this whole thread is talking about, we're talking about your average end-user here. I don't believe in machines that are hybrid server/client. While OS X and Linux both allow you to do that, it is asking for trouble. If i run server services in any permanent way, i stick debian or netbsd on some cheap-ol' PC.

Linux on desktop or laptop might be very sufficient to many people who have very limited use for their computer as a typical end-user machine, and a very cost-effective solution too. That doesn't make Mac OS X any less of a far better, more useful operating system than Linux is.

G5 laptops are very-much on the horizon. Java 1.5 has been seeded to developers who are now testing it.

Then find a Canadian Friend, and wire them money on a regular basis to buy tunage from the iTMS. Since you're saving 16 cents a track, all you have to do is record enough tunes on the drive to cover the cost of the drive (about 900) plus the shipping (about 100 or less, depending) to break even.

Your Canadian Friend then DLs track to the Drive via the Canadian iTMS. Once the drive is full, or you feel you've spent enough, Your Canadian Friend mails back the drive with the note "Hey dummy - you left this on the desk, ya hoser - see you soon, yours truly: Your Canadian Friend".

Of course, your Canadian friend has an incentive: he gets all your songs for FREE as he copies them to his own drive or DVDR or whatever floats his little Canadian Boat.

I figure, if each tune is about 5 megs, you should be able to get about 32,000 songs on there, and at a 16 cent saving on each, you'll save USD$5120. Well Worth the Expense of the drive.

RS

FUCK DA POLICE!

The computer that's just a step below premium is the PowerMac G4 and you can get it from MacMall over the phone (international) for $1,299.

Sorry Apple won't cater directly to you, but it's not like they have a role reversal with Dell. When the sales show the need to diversify, Apple will. Look at the avalable power book models!

The computer that's just a step below premium is the PowerMac G4 and you can get it from MacMall over the phone (international) for $1,299.

Sorry Apple won't cater directly to you, but it's not like they have a role reversal with Dell. When the sales show the need to diversify, Apple will. Look at the avalable power book models!

How about a nice terabyte sized external hard drive? Only $1,199.00.

Is there a reason you don't use a SCSI to Firewire cable?

http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail.asp?dpn o=943905

If you're using a G4 just for the extra slot, you look into some of the adapter cables available.

I thought I saw external PCI boxes before, but I think it was just the external IDE boxes. (for adding an internal CD-drive or HD as an external firewire device)

http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail.asp?dpn o=68161

Is there a reason you don't use a SCSI to Firewire cable?

http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail.asp?dpn o=943905

If you're using a G4 just for the extra slot, you look into some of the adapter cables available.

I thought I saw external PCI boxes before, but I think it was just the external IDE boxes. (for adding an internal CD-drive or HD as an external firewire device)

http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail.asp?dpn o=68161

I hear there's going to be a big push to try and get G5 sales to where Apple thought they should be to begin with... (I think Apple got some significant negative publicity with the controversial "worlds fastest PC" campaign.)

....things like this don't exist.

What about one of these?

Just to save the curious some search time:

Link to the sale on MacMall

Looks like another consumer has fallen prey to the "[Feature X] Ready" scheme.

Check the stats again. The Va Tech box is:
"AirPort Extreme Ready
BlueTooth Ready"

That means it's *ready* for you to shell out to actually have these features, just like any other PowerMac G5; it doesn't actually come with them. There's nothing inherent about these G5s that would stop you from getting those features, but, then, that's not really news, is it? Heck, they're all, "John Carmack exclusive pre-alpha Doom 3 build ready", but don't plan on actually playing. ;^)

So keep your credit card in your wallet, thank you for playing, and enjoy your take-home version of Buying Celebrity Macs.

That said, if there is another spot where this "ready-ness" turns into "comes pre-installed at no charge" (like it's some MacMall deal I might have missed), give us the link!

The TiBook is great! We do both Java development(via eclipse) and DV on it and it works flawlessly. If you can swing it, I highly recomend getting the Superdrive. Also, these dudes will double the RAM for a $40 "installation fee". I bought mine through them and they shipped it immediately.

2.5 inch hard drives, the same drives used in notebooks can cost from 100 to 300 bucks. Here's a link. And the ipod is not for the rich. I have one, and I sure as hell am not rich.

The Apple Store appears to be more usable to me. For starters, I can click on a picture of an iPod and jump right to the iPod page, instead of the digital lifestyle device page. This link used to be in the upper left of the old store.

I can see and pick from pictures of Apple products instead of going to a 'software' page and first. This is a big usability plus.

All of the laptops and systems are laid out and ready to be clicked upon.

If you want cluttered design, pick up a MacMall catalog, or visit the MacMall site, both grand examples of clutter and inappropriate exclaimation.

I know it isn't specifically what you asked for, but you can buy a:

Solar powered 12V trickle charger (about $40) to run into the bike's battery, then get a auto/air adapter for the powerbook($80), and a lighter/accessory outlet (about $5, with cable at Radio Shack or your local auto parts store) if you need one. This way, the alternator is feeing the charging usually, and the solar panel is 'topping off' the bike's battery, whether or not the bike is running -- handy to have for a trip around the world, even without the laptop, I'd imagine.

Have you considered hooking a solar panel up to the laptop for charging and cutting the bike out of the equation completely? Not as reliable, and doesn't solve the 'I ran out of juice at night' problem, but worth a thought as you're undoubtedly going to be putting massive stress on the bike's battery and alternator. Googling for "laptop solar cell" will bring dependable results.

Best of luck, sounds fun.

MacMall gives you 512MB RAM free.

Of course, you have to pay the $39.99 'install fee', but look at what Dell wants for more RAM, or what it'd cost you to buy the memory from NewEgg/etc

On a side note - $39.99 to pop the keyboard off and stick a DIMM in?!

That link should be: 867GHz Macs!! Yay!

Well, I did some checking and it would seem that I purchased a $20 10.1 update CD some time ago, and that was how I went from 10.0.4 to 10.1.

I'm not sure if this is the same thing or not, but it's probably worth looking at.

Of course, you can probably find the software a bit cheaper through places like macmall.com, CDW or Insight. But if you are already in a market for a new Mac, free is still much better than $699 :)

this situation is getting stranger and stranger. and ain't i the lucky one to have acaben's cell phone number ;)

grace

It appears that the thieves have shown themselves. If you type in "http://macslash.com," you hit a series of forwarding pages that bounce you as follows:

• http://www.merc-net.com/md/macslash.htm
• http://www.qksrv.net/click-1144694-53427
• http://www.commission-junction.com/track/track.d ll ?AID=53427PID=1144694CBID=ie470hkUI D1811=66sebz2D11812D102280898684692 Ddm
• http://www.macmall.com/macaffiliate/?AID=53427&# 38 ; ID=1144694
• http://www.macmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcamp ai gn=external,zwb12166
• http://www.macmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcam pa ign=external,zwb12166

(And, as far as I can tell, that's it. Lynx.trace logs are not easy to read!)

In the end, you are redirected to an outfit called Creative Computers, which appears to run websites called MacMall and PCMall. The WHOIS entry makes reference to a technical/administrative contact named Simon Abuyounes, whose direct line is (310) 225-2800, ext. 5651. His fax is (310) 630-3462.

They are located at 2555 West 190th Street in Torrance, California (90504). You can reach them at (310) 354-5600, but why not use one of their toll-free numbers?

Their sales number is (800) 222-2808; their government sales number is (800) 323-2704; their education sales number is (800) 328-2793; and their technical support numbers are (800) 760-0300 and (800) 727-7579. Only the first number is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week; the others have certain times they're open. For international customers, the line to call evidently is (01) 310-225-2600.

E-mail address include macmallsales@macmall.com, customerservice@macmall.com, mactech@macmall.com, and webmaster@macmall.com. Other valid e-mail addresses from their feedback form include sales@macmall.com, maccorpsales@macmall.com, and mmtech@macmall.com.

It appears that the thieves have shown themselves. If you type in "http://macslash.com," you hit a series of forwarding pages that bounce you as follows:

• http://www.merc-net.com/md/macslash.htm
• http://www.qksrv.net/click-1144694-53427
• http://www.commission-junction.com/track/track.d ll ?AID=53427PID=1144694CBID=ie470hkUI D1811=66sebz2D11812D102280898684692 Ddm
• http://www.macmall.com/macaffiliate/?AID=53427&# 38 ; ID=1144694
• http://www.macmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcamp ai gn=external,zwb12166
• http://www.macmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcam pa ign=external,zwb12166

(And, as far as I can tell, that's it. Lynx.trace logs are not easy to read!)

In the end, you are redirected to an outfit called Creative Computers, which appears to run websites called MacMall and PCMall. The WHOIS entry makes reference to a technical/administrative contact named Simon Abuyounes, whose direct line is (310) 225-2800, ext. 5651. His fax is (310) 630-3462.

They are located at 2555 West 190th Street in Torrance, California (90504). You can reach them at (310) 354-5600, but why not use one of their toll-free numbers?

Their sales number is (800) 222-2808; their government sales number is (800) 323-2704; their education sales number is (800) 328-2793; and their technical support numbers are (800) 760-0300 and (800) 727-7579. Only the first number is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week; the others have certain times they're open. For international customers, the line to call evidently is (01) 310-225-2600.

E-mail address include macmallsales@macmall.com, customerservice@macmall.com, mactech@macmall.com, and webmaster@macmall.com. Other valid e-mail addresses from their feedback form include sales@macmall.com, maccorpsales@macmall.com, and mmtech@macmall.com.

It appears that the thieves have shown themselves. If you type in "http://macslash.com," you hit a series of forwarding pages that bounce you as follows:

• http://www.merc-net.com/md/macslash.htm
• http://www.qksrv.net/click-1144694-53427
• http://www.commission-junction.com/track/track.d ll ?AID=53427PID=1144694CBID=ie470hkUI D1811=66sebz2D11812D102280898684692 Ddm
• http://www.macmall.com/macaffiliate/?AID=53427&# 38 ; ID=1144694
• http://www.macmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcamp ai gn=external,zwb12166
• http://www.macmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcam pa ign=external,zwb12166

(And, as far as I can tell, that's it. Lynx.trace logs are not easy to read!)

In the end, you are redirected to an outfit called Creative Computers, which appears to run websites called MacMall and PCMall. The WHOIS entry makes reference to a technical/administrative contact named Simon Abuyounes, whose direct line is (310) 225-2800, ext. 5651. His fax is (310) 630-3462.

They are located at 2555 West 190th Street in Torrance, California (90504). You can reach them at (310) 354-5600, but why not use one of their toll-free numbers?

Their sales number is (800) 222-2808; their government sales number is (800) 323-2704; their education sales number is (800) 328-2793; and their technical support numbers are (800) 760-0300 and (800) 727-7579. Only the first number is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week; the others have certain times they're open. For international customers, the line to call evidently is (01) 310-225-2600.

E-mail address include macmallsales@macmall.com, customerservice@macmall.com, mactech@macmall.com, and webmaster@macmall.com. Other valid e-mail addresses from their feedback form include sales@macmall.com, maccorpsales@macmall.com, and mmtech@macmall.com.

It appears that the thieves have shown themselves. If you type in "http://macslash.com," you hit a series of forwarding pages that bounce you as follows:

• http://www.merc-net.com/md/macslash.htm
• http://www.qksrv.net/click-1144694-53427
• http://www.commission-junction.com/track/track.d ll ?AID=53427PID=1144694CBID=ie470hkUI D1811=66sebz2D11812D102280898684692 Ddm
• http://www.macmall.com/macaffiliate/?AID=53427&# 38 ; ID=1144694
• http://www.macmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcamp ai gn=external,zwb12166
• http://www.macmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcam pa ign=external,zwb12166

(And, as far as I can tell, that's it. Lynx.trace logs are not easy to read!)

In the end, you are redirected to an outfit called Creative Computers, which appears to run websites called MacMall and PCMall. The WHOIS entry makes reference to a technical/administrative contact named Simon Abuyounes, whose direct line is (310) 225-2800, ext. 5651. His fax is (310) 630-3462.

They are located at 2555 West 190th Street in Torrance, California (90504). You can reach them at (310) 354-5600, but why not use one of their toll-free numbers?

Their sales number is (800) 222-2808; their government sales number is (800) 323-2704; their education sales number is (800) 328-2793; and their technical support numbers are (800) 760-0300 and (800) 727-7579. Only the first number is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week; the others have certain times they're open. For international customers, the line to call evidently is (01) 310-225-2600.

E-mail address include macmallsales@macmall.com, customerservice@macmall.com, mactech@macmall.com, and webmaster@macmall.com. Other valid e-mail addresses from their feedback form include sales@macmall.com, maccorpsales@macmall.com, and mmtech@macmall.com.

It appears that the thieves have shown themselves. If you type in "http://macslash.com," you hit a series of forwarding pages that bounce you as follows:

• http://www.merc-net.com/md/macslash.htm
• http://www.qksrv.net/click-1144694-53427
• http://www.commission-junction.com/track/track.d ll ?AID=53427PID=1144694CBID=ie470hkUI D1811=66sebz2D11812D102280898684692 Ddm
• http://www.macmall.com/macaffiliate/?AID=53427&# 38 ; ID=1144694
• http://www.macmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcamp ai gn=external,zwb12166
• http://www.macmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcam pa ign=external,zwb12166

(And, as far as I can tell, that's it. Lynx.trace logs are not easy to read!)

In the end, you are redirected to an outfit called Creative Computers, which appears to run websites called MacMall and PCMall. The WHOIS entry makes reference to a technical/administrative contact named Simon Abuyounes, whose direct line is (310) 225-2800, ext. 5651. His fax is (310) 630-3462.

They are located at 2555 West 190th Street in Torrance, California (90504). You can reach them at (310) 354-5600, but why not use one of their toll-free numbers?

Their sales number is (800) 222-2808; their government sales number is (800) 323-2704; their education sales number is (800) 328-2793; and their technical support numbers are (800) 760-0300 and (800) 727-7579. Only the first number is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week; the others have certain times they're open. For international customers, the line to call evidently is (01) 310-225-2600.

E-mail address include macmallsales@macmall.com, customerservice@macmall.com, mactech@macmall.com, and webmaster@macmall.com. Other valid e-mail addresses from their feedback form include sales@macmall.com, maccorpsales@macmall.com, and mmtech@macmall.com.

It appears that the thieves have shown themselves. If you type in "http://macslash.com," you hit a series of forwarding pages that bounce you as follows:

• http://www.merc-net.com/md/macslash.htm
• http://www.qksrv.net/click-1144694-53427
• http://www.commission-junction.com/track/track.d ll ?AID=53427PID=1144694CBID=ie470hkUI D1811=66sebz2D11812D102280898684692 Ddm
• http://www.macmall.com/macaffiliate/?AID=53427&# 38 ; ID=1144694
• http://www.macmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcamp ai gn=external,zwb12166
• http://www.macmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcam pa ign=external,zwb12166

(And, as far as I can tell, that's it. Lynx.trace logs are not easy to read!)

In the end, you are redirected to an outfit called Creative Computers, which appears to run websites called MacMall and PCMall. The WHOIS entry makes reference to a technical/administrative contact named Simon Abuyounes, whose direct line is (310) 225-2800, ext. 5651. His fax is (310) 630-3462.

They are located at 2555 West 190th Street in Torrance, California (90504). You can reach them at (310) 354-5600, but why not use one of their toll-free numbers?

Their sales number is (800) 222-2808; their government sales number is (800) 323-2704; their education sales number is (800) 328-2793; and their technical support numbers are (800) 760-0300 and (800) 727-7579. Only the first number is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week; the others have certain times they're open. For international customers, the line to call evidently is (01) 310-225-2600.

E-mail address include macmallsales@macmall.com, customerservice@macmall.com, mactech@macmall.com, and webmaster@macmall.com. Other valid e-mail addresses from their feedback form include sales@macmall.com, maccorpsales@macmall.com, and mmtech@macmall.com.

It appears that the thieves have shown themselves. If you type in "http://macslash.com," you hit a series of forwarding pages that bounce you as follows:

• http://www.merc-net.com/md/macslash.htm
• http://www.qksrv.net/click-1144694-53427
• http://www.commission-junction.com/track/track.d ll ?AID=53427PID=1144694CBID=ie470hkUI D1811=66sebz2D11812D102280898684692 Ddm
• http://www.macmall.com/macaffiliate/?AID=53427&# 38 ; ID=1144694
• http://www.macmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcamp ai gn=external,zwb12166
• http://www.macmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcam pa ign=external,zwb12166

(And, as far as I can tell, that's it. Lynx.trace logs are not easy to read!)

In the end, you are redirected to an outfit called Creative Computers, which appears to run websites called MacMall and PCMall. The WHOIS entry makes reference to a technical/administrative contact named Simon Abuyounes, whose direct line is (310) 225-2800, ext. 5651. His fax is (310) 630-3462.

They are located at 2555 West 190th Street in Torrance, California (90504). You can reach them at (310) 354-5600, but why not use one of their toll-free numbers?

Their sales number is (800) 222-2808; their government sales number is (800) 323-2704; their education sales number is (800) 328-2793; and their technical support numbers are (800) 760-0300 and (800) 727-7579. Only the first number is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week; the others have certain times they're open. For international customers, the line to call evidently is (01) 310-225-2600.

E-mail address include macmallsales@macmall.com, customerservice@macmall.com, mactech@macmall.com, and webmaster@macmall.com. Other valid e-mail addresses from their feedback form include sales@macmall.com, maccorpsales@macmall.com, and mmtech@macmall.com.

It appears that the thieves have shown themselves. If you type in "http://macslash.com," you hit a series of forwarding pages that bounce you as follows:

• http://www.merc-net.com/md/macslash.htm
• http://www.qksrv.net/click-1144694-53427
• http://www.commission-junction.com/track/track.d ll ?AID=53427PID=1144694CBID=ie470hkUI D1811=66sebz2D11812D102280898684692 Ddm
• http://www.macmall.com/macaffiliate/?AID=53427&# 38 ; ID=1144694
• http://www.macmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcamp ai gn=external,zwb12166
• http://www.macmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcam pa ign=external,zwb12166

(And, as far as I can tell, that's it. Lynx.trace logs are not easy to read!)

In the end, you are redirected to an outfit called Creative Computers, which appears to run websites called MacMall and PCMall. The WHOIS entry makes reference to a technical/administrative contact named Simon Abuyounes, whose direct line is (310) 225-2800, ext. 5651. His fax is (310) 630-3462.

They are located at 2555 West 190th Street in Torrance, California (90504). You can reach them at (310) 354-5600, but why not use one of their toll-free numbers?

Their sales number is (800) 222-2808; their government sales number is (800) 323-2704; their education sales number is (800) 328-2793; and their technical support numbers are (800) 760-0300 and (800) 727-7579. Only the first number is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week; the others have certain times they're open. For international customers, the line to call evidently is (01) 310-225-2600.

E-mail address include macmallsales@macmall.com, customerservice@macmall.com, mactech@macmall.com, and webmaster@macmall.com. Other valid e-mail addresses from their feedback form include sales@macmall.com, maccorpsales@macmall.com, and mmtech@macmall.com.

It appears that the thieves have shown themselves. If you type in "http://macslash.com," you hit a series of forwarding pages that bounce you as follows:

• http://www.merc-net.com/md/macslash.htm
• http://www.qksrv.net/click-1144694-53427
• http://www.commission-junction.com/track/track.d ll ?AID=53427PID=1144694CBID=ie470hkUI D1811=66sebz2D11812D102280898684692 Ddm
• http://www.macmall.com/macaffiliate/?AID=53427&# 38 ; ID=1144694
• http://www.macmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcamp ai gn=external,zwb12166
• http://www.macmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcam pa ign=external,zwb12166

(And, as far as I can tell, that's it. Lynx.trace logs are not easy to read!)

In the end, you are redirected to an outfit called Creative Computers, which appears to run websites called MacMall and PCMall. The WHOIS entry makes reference to a technical/administrative contact named Simon Abuyounes, whose direct line is (310) 225-2800, ext. 5651. His fax is (310) 630-3462.

They are located at 2555 West 190th Street in Torrance, California (90504). You can reach them at (310) 354-5600, but why not use one of their toll-free numbers?

Their sales number is (800) 222-2808; their government sales number is (800) 323-2704; their education sales number is (800) 328-2793; and their technical support numbers are (800) 760-0300 and (800) 727-7579. Only the first number is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week; the others have certain times they're open. For international customers, the line to call evidently is (01) 310-225-2600.

E-mail address include macmallsales@macmall.com, customerservice@macmall.com, mactech@macmall.com, and webmaster@macmall.com. Other valid e-mail addresses from their feedback form include sales@macmall.com, maccorpsales@macmall.com, and mmtech@macmall.com.

It appears that the thieves have shown themselves. If you type in "http://macslash.com," you hit a series of forwarding pages that bounce you as follows:

• http://www.merc-net.com/md/macslash.htm
• http://www.qksrv.net/click-1144694-53427
• http://www.commission-junction.com/track/track.d ll ?AID=53427PID=1144694CBID=ie470hkUI D1811=66sebz2D11812D102280898684692 Ddm
• http://www.macmall.com/macaffiliate/?AID=53427&# 38 ; ID=1144694
• http://www.macmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/deal.asp?source=zwb12166
• http://www.pcmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcamp ai gn=external,zwb12166
• http://www.macmall.com/macmall/default.asp?adcam pa ign=external,zwb12166

(And, as far as I can tell, that's it. Lynx.trace logs are not easy to read!)

In the end, you are redirected to an outfit called Creative Computers, which appears to run websites called MacMall and PCMall. The WHOIS entry makes reference to a technical/administrative contact named Simon Abuyounes, whose direct line is (310) 225-2800, ext. 5651. His fax is (310) 630-3462.

They are located at 2555 West 190th Street in Torrance, California (90504). You can reach them at (310) 354-5600, but why not use one of their toll-free numbers?

Their sales number is (800) 222-2808; their government sales number is (800) 323-2704; their education sales number is (800) 328-2793; and their technical support numbers are (800) 760-0300 and (800) 727-7579. Only the first number is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week; the others have certain times they're open. For international customers, the line to call evidently is (01) 310-225-2600.

E-mail address include macmallsales@macmall.com, customerservice@macmall.com, mactech@macmall.com, and webmaster@macmall.com. Other valid e-mail addresses from their feedback form include sales@macmall.com, maccorpsales@macmall.com, and mmtech@macmall.com.