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This is a distraction from the breaking story about possible GOP election fraud scandal coming to light in North Carolina.

The allegation is that someone on the GOP payroll was hiring people to go door to door and collect absentee ballots. This is illegal under NC law.

Additionally, those ballots passed through unknown hands, and may have been culled, substituted or otherwise altered in the process.

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Let methrow in a few of your Hitler references.

Seriously, you going for a Hypocrisy Award?

Or, education in the 1960's wasn't spending enough and sucked?

Not four times...

Or maybe some costs went up faster than inflation?

Four times faster?.. Don't be (quite so) ridiculous...

Maybe we have computer labs and AV clubs with greenscreens

70% of eight-graders can't be considered proficient in reading. If the monies go into the "computer labs", and not enough is left for reading proficiency, then we certainly are doing it wrong[TM]. Just as I said.

"We're spending more money" isn't an argument.

We are spending 4 times more money is an answer, when the question is, "how do you know there is enough cash?"

ah, little Troller Boy is still upset in defense of, again, the perennial martyr of the Right, the Great Sarah Palin, the least contributory of all of the losing VP-candidates throughout history, the one who all you have to say about is over the mean liberals and leftists who say such harsh words.

How Sad that that's ALL you can offer about her. Or her drones.

It's ok, we know you have nothing. No leadership. No integrity. It's trolling all the way down for Dumb-Ass-Troll.

Sorry, but in sum it appears to be true, ... at least under the immigration policies of the recent past.

Nope. You're just reciting the same flawed arguments from the same flawed sources, that's either ignorance, or apparently you didn't think anybody noticed that you were building on a broken base. But they did back when it was first published.

Sorry, but the Moonies are not helping you here, they get lost in their own agenda and tend to produce lies.

Besides, recent past?

I'm sorry, but your criteria is again:

Most immigrants end up costing the government more a lot more in services than they ever pay in taxes.

Sorry, but you have to consider all of the living immigrants, and I believe it's somewhere around 20 million people in total that you'd have to cover, and that's not even raising the question of what a "Lot more" happens to be.

Wait, so you mean when Ultra-Tolerant Liberals called him Hitler, just like Bush was Hitler, just like Mccain was Hitler, just like Romney was Hitler, just like Trump is Hitler right now? You mean we're all a bunch of hyperreactive nitwits that govern based on their reptile brains? No way! It must all be their fault. You know, them.

And FFS even Jimmy Carter was called "like Hitler", and this back in 2006.
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Would be better if Tesla would pay all the Puerto Rican truck drivers who are on strike and refuse to make deliveries of the thousands of containers of supplies until they are paid better.

This has been debunked as fake news. It didn't happen. Stop spreading lies.

Would that also be like the claims by the media, DNC and so on that Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton were just talking about grandkids?

You mean the hysterical screaming by the right-wing media, RNC and Trump that there was a secret conspiracy on the airport tarmac? You went on for weeks about it. Weeks on end.

Then you ended up attacking an innocent pizza parlor.

Or is it just a case that the FBI lied, the DNC and Obama administration covered it up, and the media directly worked with both to try and bury the story.

You mean the story that you were screaming over for weeks, if not months, that you, and the GOP and House Republicans kept trying to fan into a fire, desperate that we believe all their smoke?

But blow as hard as you could, it never happened. Never will either, and you know it.

That's what burns you the most.

Enjoy these FOIA documents, because the whole gigantic clusterfuck of collusion, lies, and complete bullshit from the previous administration and DNC is coming home. You can read the summarized version including the emails here if you don't want to read the ACLJ's stuff. Enjoy the part about the Washington Post wanting to bury the story.

Enjoy how Republicans admitted they faked a scandal. Go read their actual report nterview notes - ... where they desperately tried to claim something bad, but ended up with nothing.. Except in their own minds, where they proclaimed triumph over doing nothing.

Or we can look at Michael Flynn, Paul Manaforte, or Donald Jr. Himself. Now there is some meat. Or Trump's un-independent business dealings.

That isn't even touching on the stuff uncovered by Judicial Watch.

Ah, the famed blind Judicial Watch. Did they ever find Judge Roy Moore? I heard he killed Colonel Mustard in the Conservatory with the Candlestick. Why don't you just stop? But wait, I remember you lying with James O'Keefe videos and about Alberta's power grid. Yes, I remember you falsely claimed one group was responsible for it to one purpose, when it was actually the prior government for another.

What is it with you, can you just not resist the urge to lie?

Donald Trump seems to have that illness too. Who lies about the boy scouts? Oh wait, after his speech, he had no choice.

Your ad hominem trumps all other logical abilities! Simply brilliant, why didn't I think of that? That is your whole argument against Ted, despite the dozens of 2nd amendment interviews which are actually good interviews I can find in less than 2 seconds of web searching.

You contradict yourself, since you falsely protest over "ad homimen" but then declare I should look at interviews to observe him. In other words, you want me to assess his character.

Of course, it's those very interviews where Ted Nugent's antics are quite apparent

Sorry, but the fact is, it is entirely valid to assess a person's actual demeanor, and no, it wouldn't take long to find Ted Nugent's ranting hysteria on display.

And an amusing irony in that Ted Nugent is prone to engaging in the same behavior which you purport to oppose. He might be fine, for simply criticizing them, but his problem is that his manner is irrational and prone to hyperbole, which leads him astray.

That's why he is a terrible choice, for advocating anything. He's just too intemperate. You might genuinely be fawning over him, I don't know, but you might be faking it too. Your argument here is certainly fake though.

Here ya go. You are a fucking waste of a human being and debate like a turnip. I WIN!

Now this, actually shows your lack of an effective argument very clearly. Which again, is very similar to Ted Nugent's own behavior.

You should really work hard to change yourself, that's where your failures originate.

Start with getting over your false reliance on the political compass, you might find it'll be easier to rid yourself of than you may think. You're not as bad off as Archangel Michael, ScentCone, Mashiki, Bartles, or others.

Well, we don't know if there's evidence of rampant voter fraud.

We know there isn't evidence of rampant voter fraud. If there was evidence, you'd be able to produce it. Instead, states like North Carolina find...almost no voter fraud.

But hey, you may never know that Trump didn't win the Popular vote either, which makes you a double-sore loser.

Mainly democrat states are blocking the government from trying to determine how much fraud there actually is.

Nope. It's actually mainly Republicans like Kris Kobach miseleading the courts.

But let's go with the extrapolated report from earlier in the year. Which figures that somewhere between 4m and 6m people voted illegally. That includes everything from voting twice, to non-citizens.

Hmm, you want to cite a bogus report with no basis in reality? Hurts your own credibility, as bad as believing a James O'Keefe video.

Of course, if you do insist it's genuine that the elections are so compromised, then absolutely no elected official is legitimate, and they must all be removed, and their official acts rescinded.

The real reason behind voter ID laws is for Republicans to make it harder for people who tend to vote Democratic to vote at all.

So let's run with that. The reason democrats are for amnesty of illegals, is to make sure they always win by subverting democracy.

Sure man, we've been hearing that since the Naturalization Act of 1798.

You keep trying, but for some reason, people ain't buying.

Almost as bad as the whole Trumpcare business.

Even if you provide the ID free of charge.

Thanks in no small part to the States failing to provide the ID free of charge. Like in Pennsylvania

Meanwhile the GOP lies about California

Sorry, Mashiki, but you are as wrong about this as you were about the Alberta power grid, which as I pointed out to you, was done under the previous government, and not for clean energy, but so co-generation plants could make money.

The left considers violence wrong except in very specific circumstances.

Of course (Vol. I)!
Of course (Vol. II)!
Of course (Vol. III)!
Of course (Vol. IV)!

Oh my, somebody is a quote-miner, and hoping to come up with gems? Sadly, you've got a bunch of duds!

You aren't even being honest about them.

Seriously man, hoping Ailes dies a painful death is not a call for violence. It is unsympathetic, but hey, guess what? It happens on your side. Nor is accurately describing a murder victim as a bigot a call for violence either. That's wanting to be truthful. Warts and all.

And Madonna's words were clearly describing a state of mind which she rejected as an action.

You shouldn't lie. Especially with the number of people on the right claiming their words were twisted and misrepresented. These were mentioned in comments about those quotes already, so you should know to look at them with more scrutiny yourself.

And of course, there are already lists pointing out the right's calls for violence, and their own vicious statements. Well, actually, they're a decade old by now.

You think people forget? Well, I can't say you are entirely wrong.

How many of these do you remember?

As they say, the log in your eye is quite conspicuous. Go compile a list of your own sins, then repudiate them.

You think that the government would be less bloated?

Would it mean more government employees? Perhaps, it'd have to, to supplant the insurance company drones to some extent.

We are talking about the government.

Good for you.

They created the concept of ineffectual bloat and then expanded, enhanced and perfected it.

Oh, so they've done a good job then?

The government home of the $50,000 hammer.

A myth, actually, and you have to ask yourself, why you believe that the 50,000$ hammer wasn't sold to the government by a greedy entity even if your myth wasn't a lie?

No, private industry with a profit motive will always be more efficient than government bureaucrats with no motive at all for efficiency and service.

We don't want efficient healthcare, we want effective. So far, the private industry is killing over a quarter million from medical mistakes in the US.

Take a look at the deadly mess that is the VA and tell me single payer is better.

Take a look at the deadly mess that is the private medical industry, and tell me that it is better.

Not to mention fraud, prescription drug abuse, and denial of coverage. Go ahead.

That's the problem people like you have, you think that nobody knows about the crap in your average hospital, you just fume and snort about the VA, the VA, the VA! and yet you don't realize that the reason the VA is ignored is because 99 out of 100 people really don't care about the VA, or experience its services, or that they actually are subject to reports that your average hospital isn't. That's right, the VA is just used to look bad, that's all, you don't care about fixing it.

If the GOP wants to have an investigation into that money, that's okay with me. The fact that they haven't when they were so eager to have multiple Benghazi investigations repeatedly covering the same ground convinces me that there's a whole lot of nothing there

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>"Congress never ratified the Paris Agreement. In fact, Obama never sent it to Congress for ratification. there is nothing to "withdraw" from...we were never in it."

Don't try to use logic or reason here with any topic in which the word "Trump" is injected. It apparently doesn't work...

Agreed.

But Trump did do exactly what he promised the voters in his election campaign promises.

Disagree. Almost everything he promised on day one hasn't even been done yet - 100+ days out.

Had he not, then the same people would be complaining that he was a liar or didn't do what he said he would do.

If you actually look at the previous link or probably find any other metric, compare by numbers with Hillary or *any* other president (potential or not), you find the difference astounding. The man is, by all unbiased metrics, the biggest liar we've ever seen at this level, by (very) far.

I don't like Trump, nor some of what he does, but the alternative was not any better (just in different ways). I think South Park put it the best- we had a choice between a turd sandwich or a giant douche.

Hillary was attacked by the right for decades, Russia added a ton more propaganda to make the country believe in crazy conspiracy theories. Pizzagate is not a thing. The FBI said her crimes were piddly and would be laughed out of court. You can't compare running her own email server to the possibility of perjury, espionage, and treason that the current Administration is under investigation for. The current topic of Paris agreement is an economic no-brainer. Those are oil & gas companies saying we should go forward with it because there is money to be made in leading the world in technology. If you believe the scientists, this is a huge moral issue with millions of lives at stake. Secretary of Defense James Mattis sees climate change as a national security threat. This choice is a ridonculous one, and you can't compare this Administration to the boringness of what Clinton's would have been.

Of course they know you use an ad blocker. That's one more data point they have about you ...

It lumps you into the bucket of people with enough initiative to change the default settings on any aspect of their daily existence. You're probably an educated technocrat.

People Who Use Firefox or Chrome Are Better Employees

Michael Housman ... said that while the company's research hasn't identified anything to suggest causality, he does have a theory as to why this correlation exists. "I think that the fact that you took the time to install Firefox on your computer shows us something about you. It shows that you're someone who is an informed consumer .... you've made an active choice to do something that wasn't default."

Okay, you're harder to neutralize with micro-disinformation.

So they suck you into pointless debates about SpaceX, colonising Mars, medical nanotechnology, life extension, the AI singularity, Hayekian economics, Objectivism, or liberal save-the-world TED porn.

Effectiveness: what you know times what you do.

Wolowitz syndrome: able to configure an ad-blocker, but not exactly picking the right fight.
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I've already got a bit of file on Robert Mercer.

Yachts seen close together — March 2017

As Rene Magritte would say, "this is not a smoking gun." Not yet, anyway. Hey, that reminds me, has anyone here got a match?

Rachel Maddow Explains "The Money Man" — August 2016

Kellyanne Conway, who ran Robert Mercer's Super PAC, she's a very familiar figure in Republican politics.

What Kind of Man Spends Millions to Elect Ted Cruz? — January 2016

Working with his daughter Rebekah, he's spent tens of millions more to advance a conservative agenda, investing in think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation, the media outlet Breitbart.com, and Cambridge Analytica, a data company that builds psychological profiles of voters.

Groups he funds have attacked the science of global warming, published a book critical of Hillary Clinton, and bankrolled a documentary celebrating Ayn Rand.

In the real human world you should prepare yourself to defend against attackers who don't respect other's body and safety.

The best defense is a good offense. A good offense disarms your opponent before they can hurt you.

Wouldn't you rather there not be any need to worry about being attacked in the first place?

Strangely enough, those that whine about "hate speech" are usually against having the means to defend against attackers, they'd rather everyone just be a victim.

Strangely enough, however, those that whine about the need to defend themselves tend to be hysterical, to the point where they spent 8 years desperately buying firearms for...no real reason. Panicky, idiotic people, who are so easily lead astray are the ones who make me the victim of their insanity.

That's the real humans in this world.

Do you deny these things are racist, racist, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamaphobic, transphobic, misogynistic, anti Hispanic, etc and were said by those people?

Ann Coulter:
-"There’s a cultural acceptance of child rape in Latino culture that doesn’t exist in even the most dysfunctional American ghettos. When it comes to child rape, the whole family gets involved."
-"A lot of people are upset when I talk about Mexican child rapes, Muslims clitorectomies, Muslim honor killingswhite people don’t do that. America is not used to these types of crimes. We are bringing in cultures where child rape is very common."
-"It’s going to be a thousand years of darkness if this country stops being this country and we just become a second Mexico, which is where we’re heading right now."
-"In 1960 whites were 90% of the country. The census bureau recently estimated that whites already account for less than two-thirds of the population and will be a minority by 2050. Other estimates put that day much sooner. One may assume the new majority will not be such compassionate overlords as the white majority has been."
-"This is a country created by white peopleI am a Native because I am a descendant from settlers."

Ben Shaprio:
-"Tolerance fails as a virtue, first of all, because it is in some ways demeaning to people." (ok, that one isnt bigoted, other than opposing tolerance....it's just stupid )
-"If you pay tuition, you're sponsoring the militant homosexual agenda. If you pay taxes, you're sponsoring the militant homosexual agenda. If your child majors in English, you're sponsoring the militant homosexual agenda. Tell Billy to major in math."

Steven Crowder:
-best explained here

Mark Levin:
-equates marriage equality to incest
-also of the "Obama is a secret muslim" theory crowd

I'm running out of them.
the short of it is, you're full of crap, these people ARE indeed guilty of bigoted views and statements.

dont want to be called racist?
dont say racist shit.

Where is the right trying to "deplatform" left-wing speakers?

On News Corp platforms, Breitbart, twitter, 4chan, all sorts of places?

Just look for all the hand-wringing over "BLM" and "Anti-Trump" riots, against "Planned Parenthood", all the "Birther" claims, and you''ll find it.

Let's see, who is committing the violence [rollingstone.com] and trying to prevent the speech of others? That would be the left.

Also, case in point, here, by a user named Raenex. Who will never look at the right's actions.

But you, you want us to be upset over Milo's hiring a bunch of guys in masks to disrupt his own rallies and get attention. But Milo is out so you didn't even get your memo about that.

Which political party responds to critiques of Islam with cries of "Islamophobia" and "racist"? Which political party is against restrictions on Muslim immigration? Which political party has apologists for Sharia law leading [breitbart.com] women marches?

The left went from fighting political Christians to embracing Islam.

Which political party denounces Islam and creates lies about Sharia law? Which political party tries to convince us that Islam is a material threat? Which political party wants to ignore the terrorists among us?

Which political party lies about Planned Parenthood? Which political party has been found in court to engage in unlawful gerrymandering? Which political party is threatening judges who dared to reject Trump's unlawful ban? Which political party attacks how women dressed? Which political party claims to be pro-life, but resents paying for maternity care?

The right is the party that loves everything about radical Islamists, except the name they operate under.

Among those laws was the 1979 Department of Education Organization Act that established that entity.

Yep. As I said: a mission creep. Government looking, what else it can do...

The rules are simple. If (what seems like) a problem:

• does not endanger the nation's very survival;
• can be solved by private entities — commercial or charitable;

then the government must not touch it.

For the government to violate this principle is tyranny — taxpayer's money is confiscated to pay for things, he would not have paid for voluntarily.

And, like all other tyrannies, it is also inefficient. Your own example of public education is an ongoing disaster: per-pupil costs of public schools have quadrupled since the 1960-ies (inflation-adjusted), but 70% of the 8th-graders still can not be said to be "proficient" in reading.

Space-exploration is fascinating — leave it to Musk, Bezos, and Branson. They spend their own monies on it...

Later we found out that's because she ordered her people to (unlawfully) remove the markings.

Not true in the slightest, just Fox New lying:
http://www.mediamatters.org/re...

There's one popularized case where she was having an issue sending an e-mail and authorized staff to send THAT ONE e-mail insecurely if necessary. But A) It was actually securely faxed, and B) there's no evidence whether that one e-mail had any classified content at all.

The INCONVENIENT TRUTH is that the Swedish Security Source is a fraud

And the story is a fraud

it IS the topic and, oh, btw, the ENTIRE STORY about Sweden being "overrun" was told by a fraud used by O'Lielly

USA health costs per person is about $8000 whereas that bastion of capitalist competition, Sweden, is $4000 (you can check it out if you know how to use this thing called the internet).

Citation needed. The US does not have "Single Payer" halthcare — yet. Nor do we have a properly free market for it either — things were pretty bad and then became even worse with Obamacare.

But in primary education the market is cornered by the monopoly called Department of Education. And, according to their own figures (see, how citations are done with thing called "HTML"?), since 1950-ies the per-pupil costs of public school education quadrupled : from $3k to $13k (inflation-adjusted). Has the quality gone up? No, most unlikely — only 30% of the nation's 8th-graders, for example, are deemed "proficient" in reading .

you can check it out if you know how to use this thing called the internet

I do not. You make a claim, you cite supporting evidence.

There is nothing that mankind could conceivably do that would make Earth more unlivable than Mars.

There, there. How much is Elon Musk paying you for spreading doubts and diverting our attention, while he builds his Elysium over there?

Soros got to see it up close. As a young teen he was made into a pet by a nazi officer and forced to witness as the nazi confiscated jewish property around Hungary.

And then you look at other states that are failing

Other states have:

*Taxes that are devastating on people with lower incomes
*Instead of randomly belaboring a single data point, consider the whole picture, including the nastiness of total local government debt
*A regulatory and legal climate that leads to exposure to pollution and injury risks
*Decades old reports with schools that are some of the worst in the nation being hysteria to justify even worse results
*Huge backlogs of road work necessary across the country, and a refusal to pay for it
*Increasing income inequality
*Huge drug problems in rural areas.

I can drop links on you all day, don't pester California or San Francisco when you live in a glass house yourself.

And you should also admit that Trump is largely the source of the "hire local" climate, he's caused companies to rethink their outsourcing plans, especially in light of the alternative candidate who said explicitly that she wants completely open borders for job seekers.

Nope. That's been something proclaimed for YEARS. It's been a scam.

So is Trump's "Carrier deal" and "Ford and he lied about "Boeing too.

Durp, durp, durp. You lie about Hillary Clinton as well. Just like Your Orange God

Who also made up a story about bidding on drugs. LOL. Yeah, let's see him change the Republican's opposition to the reform proposed by Democrats for decades. He'll either come up with a way to screw us, or fail and claim he somehow saved us anyway.

But none of that matters. I don't think many people really care who takes the credit.

Is it important to you?

Help me out here.

Why should credit even matter?

Ask your good buddy, Donald J. Trump, who puts his name on everything.

Sorry, but some of us know that Donald only wants CREDIT for success, he doesn't even care if the job gets done.

Maybe you like his over-the-top bombastic style of self-aggrandizement, maybe you think his much vaunted narcissism is a matter of virtue, but you're the one who has to look at what you've embraced.

With open eyes. He's already said he likes being liked. He can't see a problem in that. He'll be a suck-up to anybody who offers him praise.

And if you dare to criticize or challenge him, he'll throw a tantrum.

On his November 27 program, Jones spent roughly half an hour pushing pizzagate conspiracy theories and told his audience that they “have to go investigate it for yourself," claiming, "Something’s going on. Something’s being covered up. It needs to be investigated.

He has since removed the video. According to the Internet Archive, the “Down The #Pizzagate Rabbit Hole” video was online as of December 6 but “removed by the user” by December 7. A tweet by Jones promoting the video is still online; it captures roughly 10 minutes of the video and links to the removed YouTube page. Non-Jones YouTube accounts have re-uploaded the “Down The #Pizzagate Rabbit Hole – Warning! Soul Sucking Info.” The video is roughly 30 minutes long.

Jones also removed the Jon Bowne video that Jones played during his November 27 program. On November 23, Jones’ YouTube channel posted the video with the headline “Pizzagate Is Real: Something Is Going On, But What?” The video was removed “by the user” shortly after the shooting, according to the Internet Archive.

Not for not knowing how to use e-mails, but for maintaining her OFFICIAL WORK ON A PRIVATE SERVER, CRETIN!!!

I never thought this was a good idea on the part of the Clinton camp - my advice to them would have been this was a STUPID thing to do - but it didn't seem to be a problem when others were using private emails officially.
Also, the Bush / Cheney administration "misplaced" several MILLION e-mails and there was barely any outrage but Clinton's fuckup makes her the Worst Woman Ever?
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2...

Politico, no friend of conservatives or the GOP, has a story about 91% of Trump media as negative.

Keep in mind that Trump is neither a conservative nor a Republican. Only a few short years ago, he was a Democrat and in deep with the Clintons. The GOP nomination process is so broken that a Clinton Democrat got nominated. Go figure.

And Mother Jones, a decidedly left-of-center outlet, shows that Trump got significantly more negative press than Hillary.

With Trump in the White House, we need more investigative journalism. MoJo has in-depth stories that the so-called conservative media won't touch like crony capitalism (i.e., Nestle still bottling water from a California national forest during a drought on an expired 1988 federal permit).

Anyone who claims the media constantly hammered Hillary over her (Wikileaks-proven) lies about her private server and ignored Trump is either ignorant or a partisan whackjob.

You haven't paid attention to the AP and New York Times coverage.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/08/26/associated-press-becomes-latest-get-burned-chasing-clinton-scandal-stories/212690
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/02/is-the-new-york-times-at-war-with-hillary.html

Wait, don't you guys believe in small government? I guess that goes out the window when it disagrees with you or presents a chance to attack liberals.
Anyway, YOUR WRONG :
According to a 2009 Congressional Research Service report that discussed local law enforcement agencies' responsibilities under 434 of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA) and 642 of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (IIRIRA), the "primary federal restrictions on state and local sanctuary policies" concern a state or local refusal to maintain or share immigration status information. However, the report noted that the 1996 law "does not require entities to collect such information in the first place" and the U.S Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit indicated that "Congress cannot directly compel states to collect and share information regarding immigration status with federal immigration authorities"

Watching Veritas' videos exposing campaign disruptions and voter corruption in the Democrat Party and the shenanigans the Republicans pulled trying to defeat Trump as well.
https://www.youtube.com/channe...

Watch what? Words out of somebody's mouth? Why didn't we get videos of ACTUAL buses being driven around? Why do we never get that?

Critical analysis shows the failure.

No matter how much editing Snopes claims O'Keefe has done, the entirety of all videos are available for examination AND there is no denying that the Democrat operatives said what they said and no reason to disbelieve that they did what they said they did.

Actually, Jerry, based on what O'Keefe's done in the past, including the result of the Planned Parenthood investigations that came out of his lies, there is zero reason to believe anything he produces. That you cite him, so uncritically, is a reason to disbelieve you.

Obama is a more mature person, and can handle criticism.

Oh yeah? Try calling him 'Big Ears'...

see? this is how I know were in a coma for the past 8 years:
100% delusional statements like that one, completely disconnected from reality.

read, and be edumicated:
http://www.washingtontimes.com...
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2...
http://www.realclearpolitics.c...
http://www.politifact.com/trut...
https://mic.com/articles/22662...
http://www.liberalamerica.org/...

Well, thanks for that. I must admit that is uncool on HuffPo's part. Uncool, but accurate.

But you know what's uncool and often inaccurate? Breitbart:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/1...
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2...

Well, that's certainly a matter of opinion. But regardless, Mashiki wasn't comparing Obama and Trump, he was comparing people in general (I suppose especially US citizens). Read what he said: "...were _people_ so rabidly insane" (emphasis added). He's presumably talking about the protests against the election, not about Obama or Trump themselves. (He also talks about Hilary Clinton.)

So ok, let's say DogDude got off the rails a bit, should we then go back and question Mashiki's claims a bit?

Well, Mashiki was talking about people not being so rabidly insane after Obama's election and relection. Ahem. That's a falsehood too, there's plenty of rabidly insane comments from those days. Even the Donald himself. Oh well, he deleted them. I guess they never happened.

I say many of these people were rabidly insane. Insofar as it is a figurative language, not a clinical diagnosis, but I think we know that.

It's like the Nazi comparisons which people on Fox never made. Or how there was no racism before Obama. (Then there's how she's wrong about the schools and neighborhoods shot up, and so forth.)

I'll grant the chair business wasn't entirely crazy. It raised flags with me, but ok, I'll let you just pass him off as Hollywood loony, not crazy.

And do note, I've not gone into the depths too far. This is not comprehensive, it is just enough to show that some people did go off the deep end. And if you look at the other comments, you will see, that they deny any, any craziness at all.

Of course, I'll say that the 70% who believe America is going in the wrong direction, unsourced though that is, would just as well cover people who think Trump being nominated, and winning as anything else. So they could be right. But of course, it's not sourced, so no idea what was truly being polled.

mandate that families hold funerals for miscarried or aborted fetuses

This was so crazy that I had to look it up. Turns out "hold a funeral" is "dispose of remains properly" -- the bill required that fetal remains be either interred or incinerated. Generally speaking that would be the responsibility of the healthcare facility in custody of the remains.

Tell me straight, is "require families to hold a funeral" truly the most accurate and reasonable way you could come up with to indicate the nature of the bill, or is it a purposeful deception?

This is what happens when you believe what you read at Media Matters. In this case, MM was blindly copying from Esquire:

http://mediamatters.org/resear...

And frankly, despite the horror and pain this will cause, if the media had been honest (and the DNC not been complicit in primary vote and convention rigging), Hillary would not have been nominated.

Please explain how the media were not honest here. You realize, don't you, that it was the media, the New York Times as a matter of fact, which first broke the story on Secratary Clinton's use of a private email server. And it was that very same media which went on and on about Clinton's email issues, right up until the very end of the campaign. According to Media Matters, using data from the Tyndall Report, reporting of Hillary Clinton's email issues eclipsed all other reporting combined on any other issue (100 minutes on emails vs 32 minutes for issue-based reporting).

Sorry, kwbauer, the fact is, we've already heard that sentiment. Republicans have proclaimed they have a mandate. Oh you may sputter over use of another phrasing, and you certainly won't admit the meaning is clear, but we've heard it.

Don't worry, some of us remember. Hypocrisy, and amnesia may be your defect, but others, others have their own recollections, and can spot your lies.

You have done it. You will do it again. Your political side has done it, in this particular instance. They have made the claim, get to the back of the bus. And yet...Trump still has less voters than Obama did. And a tighter margin.

Feel free to shock me, admit my interpretation is correct, then deny that Paul Ryan was correct.

you mean this maid?

http://mediamatters.org/resear...

oops.
looks like you fellows are pushing another non factual story.

Hmm, I'll ignore your error over who appointed Sonia Sotomayor, but Elena Kagan has darker skin than Merrick Garland? Saying that, I know your complaint isn't valid. Seriously, bad enough you ignore their real qualifications as jurists, but don't make shit up like that. It just makes you look bad.

It's like all of the complaints and excuses that Republicans have had for refusing to conduct a hearing on Merrick Garland. McCain already admitted it. They just don't want to let any nominee of a Democrat. And they facetiously blame it on who? Biden. Can't take responsibility for their own actions.

Stop making shit up and face the real problems.

Also, no suggesting that Obama nominate himself isn't because of his skin color. Shame on you for thinking that.

So she was following the example of Bush who didn't preserve millions of emails as the law requires so he could hide his illegal activities from FOIA requests.

Got it.

Funny how everyone who doesn't worship the liberal establishment automatically turns into "literally Hitler", and the same people who previously supported that person have a full body orgasm when they're taken down.

Yes, they're not measured and rational like Trump's long time friend and advisor Roger Stone who thinks Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama are literal demons.

I'm sure if he had dirt on Trump he'd release it also.

At one time, I would have agreed with you. However, it's becoming clear that Assange is not simply freeing information; he's playing politics -- possibly in hopes of a Trump pardon. That's not a far-fetched goal. Assange's standing among conservatives has improved greatly since he started dumping on Clinton. Take the example of Fox News anchor (and Trump lapdog) Sean Hannity. In 2010, he was calling for Assange's head and castigating Obama for not taking out wikileaks. Now, Hannity wants Assange to go free. (Source) So, if Assange had dirt on Trump, I highly doubt that Assange would release it. He wouldn't want to alienate his most powerful audience.

In the US for example, the 1.2 Billion dollars handed to Iran for hostages could have been used for roads and money been recirculated by the public.

This is incorrect for several reasons.

• The money wasn't for the hostages. The hostages were released in exchange for the U.S. giving clemency to several Iranians convicted of dodging the sanctions.
• The $400 million was money the U.S. had already accepted from Iran in exchange for weapons the U.S. then refused to send.
• The $1.2 billion was interest on that money. The original money was held and the interest accrued in an account specifically for this purpose and did not belong to the U.S. government or its citizens.

Now, if you're going to argue that the U.S. should not follow the rule of law, I'll save you some time and bow out of this conversation. Either way, you should do some more research on this. The U.S. has done some severely shitty things throughout its history, but repaying money owed for goods never delivered isn't one of them.

Pulling a BB gun that looks like a handgun and pointing it at police should be expected to result in that action.

How about pulling an actual sniper rifle and pointing it at police?

http://static1.businessinsider...

http://cloudfront.mediamatters...

Well, yeah. Don't you know how this works? In every election, the Republican candidate is Literally Hitler.

Except when it's the Republicans that are accusing Democrats of being LITERALLY HITLER.

Or at least, Goebbels. You may have forgotten.

Please take your protests to your own side first.

The same could be said of Trump who promises to sue the media for negative stories about him. There can be a fine line with hate speech, just like you can't yell fire in a crowded theater or threaten to harm someone. Hate speech has consequences. Joining a hate group (or any group that advocates violence) is a good way to get on the police or FBI's radar, for example.