Slashdot Mirror

The stock is hardly dropping like a rock.

http://quotes.nasdaq.com/quote.dll?page=charting&m ode=basics&selected=AAPL

It climbed to a peak that was probably overvalued, and now we're seeing profit-taking by investors.

Well, that's my take on it anyway.

...last trade for Google is $466.

Is another economic bubble coming soon?

Well, that's not entirely true. As another poster suggested, Dell's primary source of PROFIT is from enterprise purchases (higher margins on better products and all) though selling on the low end allows for the volume Dell needs to keep its supplier prices in check.

In addition, as the SEC filings suggest, the rate of GROWTH for consumer PC's hasn't exactly excited anyone, inside or outside the company. This is reflected in the product shift to Consumer Electronics and Printers sales.

One thing to keep in mind is that Dell is probably MOST reponsive to the demands / needs of its enterprise customer base, at lease in the short to medium term. Especially since they drive a large share of profit growth, and these customers are probably the ones MOST sensitive to avoiding the MS tax. A few dollars per unit add up when you purchase THOUSANDS at a time, right?

*** DISCLAIMER ***

I'm an employee of Dell, though these opinions are my own, and this does not necessarily reflect the thoughts or opionions of my employer, blah, blah, blah

*** DISCLAIMER ***

Jeez, you would think that you could just unload the piece of junk on ebay.

Hmmmm.

Lets take a struggling print company: Knight Ridder, Inc. KRI
And compare it to Slashdot's parent company: LNUX

Evidence would seem to suggest that, in fact, being dead may be better than being Slashdot

Hmmmm.

Lets take a struggling print company: Knight Ridder, Inc. KRI
And compare it to Slashdot's parent company: LNUX

Evidence would seem to suggest that, in fact, being dead may be better than being Slashdot

Hmmmm.

Lets take a struggling print company: Knight Ridder, Inc. KRI
And compare it to Slashdot's parent company: LNUX

Evidence would seem to suggest that, in fact, being dead may be better than being Slashdot

You're quite right

http://charting.nasdaq.com/ext/charts.dll?2-1-14-0 -0-596-03NA000000DELL-03NA000000AAPL-03NA000000NDX -&SF:12|2|3|31|32|33|34|35|36|37|44-HC:2-HO:SE-WD= 484-HT=395-AT:9=0- Apple is kicking butt still in eight years time.

I think even the biggest MS supporter would agree their stock performance has been very ugly since Jan 2000. It may be a fairly stable place to park your money but investing in MS certainly hasn't been a money maker for quite a long time.

Level 3 has a 1.5 billion market cap whereas Cogent is already at 2.1 billion

Level 3 has a 1.5 billion market cap whereas Cogent is already at 2.1 billion

GOOG is a public company now, so

"I don't know everything that is happening in my company"

simply means

"we have not issued the press release yet, so I am not making any comments here"

"hemorrhaged $276 million last quarter"

Or, according to plenty of news sources, it was their most profitable quarter... EVER.

"racking up a dizzying $2.4 billion in debt"

Or, according to SEC filings, they have no long term debt as reported on page 23 of their FY2004 10-K filing. OOPS.

I won't even bother to go into the rest of this bullshit, as I've already knocked the foundation out of your argument.

Well you'd say wrong. As of writing this, Yahoo's market cap is around $47 billion, and Apple's is around $27 billion.

This difference in market cap is a result of the fact that Yahoo's profit has been growing far faster than Apple's, thanks to significantly higher margins, and the fact that Yahoo's current balance sheet shows a total equity of around $7 billion, compared to around $5 billion for Apple. Both companies have several billion in cash, cash equivalents and short term investments.

(Disclaimer: I own Yahoo stock)

So I decided to see what this company is actually worth....considering I never use their products nor do I know anyone who does...and according to Nasdaq, they're worth over a billion dollars?

Damn....I can't remember the last time I gave up on a RealPlayer install. Who uses this stuff, and how the hell are they worth over a BILLION dollars today....let alone being worth ten times that 5 years ago

So I decided to see what this company is actually worth....considering I never use their products nor do I know anyone who does...and according to Nasdaq, they're worth over a billion dollars?

Damn....I can't remember the last time I gave up on a RealPlayer install. Who uses this stuff, and how the hell are they worth over a BILLION dollars today....let alone being worth ten times that 5 years ago

It looks like there is trouble with the company. Their share price has plunged from nearly $10 to almost as low as $5 in the last year. See the stock price chart

Look at Apple's stock price over 5 years, for instance - it's higher now than it was at its peak in 2000.

http://www.nasdaq.com/about/nasdaq_listing_req_fee s.pdf Listing requirements $10mil in outstanding equity 750,000 outstanding shares $1.00 minimum share price 400 shareholders as well as other requirements for filing such as the form they missed .. triggering the reason for this artical

I stopped running RedHat when they dumped the old pricing model. I didn't mind paying them $, but I'm not a large corporation with money to burn either. Mandrake offers the same patch support that RedHat does and I've been running the 2.6 kernel for a very long time now.

If RedHat is so great, why this versus this?

Let's comapre Sun and Apple stock over the last year and decide who may have a better business plan...
Ummmm Yeah...

I remember predicting it wouldn't last too, it was just a gold rush for the few viable business ideas

ahh, the dot com disaster. my claim to fame was leveraging a $50 put that nobody thought i'd ever exercise into several thousand dollars.

i didn't come here to brag, I came here to help you -- that's right, YOU who is brave enough to read below +1

go read up on the options market and see if you can't find techs today that might be worth, playing with. Even when the market is in a downturn, there is money to be made.

The numbers are real alright but they do say something else:

I can't find the actual data of this quarter, but here are the data for the last four quarters. Notice that the quarter ending 12/31/2003 is the one used for comparison by the article.

-quarter ending 12/31/2003:
revenue $10,153,000, net income $1,549,000

-quarter ending 9/30/2004:
revenue $9,189,000, net income $2,528,000.

How can they have a billion less in revenue and a billion more in income?
The answer is also there: they spent $1.4 BILLION *less* in Research and Development.

Microsoft is of course still in a dominant position, and their software still sells like no other piece of software ever did, but the real advancement from last year is a +6% in revenue (which is propably *less* than the overall market growth).

It's an option for nasdaq.com's My Nasdaq. Interestingly, they also support the features without using Passport.

That's what happens when your stock price goes through the roof (check out the one-year chart: http://quotes.nasdaq.com/quote.dll?page=charting&m ode=basics&selected=ERTS From a business standpoint, this is a good move. From a consumer standpoint, very bad.

Considering that Sun's revenue has gone from $18 billion in 2001 to $11 billion in 2004 (link), how is this going to help them?

Seriously, is this move in the shareholders' best interest? It certainly won't increase revenue. Will it significantly reduce their development costs? Will this give them any competitive advantage at all?

Jason.

True, but employees get stock options, and they'd rather like it if the price was driven higher.

More importantly, the price had been driven down by hedge funds and other such evil selling over 64 million shares short. Now that AMD has blown past their previous 52-week high, those short sellers are now all under water. Some of them are going to start getting margin calls on Monday, meaning they'll have to buy AMD shares to cover their short sales regardless of price. We could be looking at the Mother of All Short-Covering Rallies next week. AMD is still well short of their all-time high of 48, and they're way better positioned this time.

Or Dell could say "Just kidding" and the hedgies could drive the stock down again, just in case anyone was thinking of going on margin.

The funny thing is that wages and salaries were up in July, but other sources of personal income were down enough to reduce total personal income. From NASDAQ/Econoday:

But importantly wages and salaries did rise in the month, up 0.4 percent. Other sources of income weakened, including Medicare reimbursements, rental income, and interest income.

Lets have a look at their 6 months movement.
This little chart shows how newSCO's stock is doing. Their recent pressreleases and blabbering during the SCOforum left a certain spike upwards, then things settled again, and the price is currently at around $4.30. Compared to such companies as Novell, wich you can see the comparison of here, there clearly is a trend that whenever newSCO releases some FUD to the general public and the eager-to-cover media their stock is up for a short time, and the companies they are in legal battles with are down. Then it all slowly goes back as it was before. IBM, RedHat and Novell are all three doing rather well in comparison to newSCO.

It's sad to see how this hunger for money drive a former great company into the ground. I hope both investors and current stockholders realize that the only thing that is going to save newSCO is to focus on their product and shuffle Darl and his litigation off into the void.

Lets have a look at their 6 months movement.
This little chart shows how newSCO's stock is doing. Their recent pressreleases and blabbering during the SCOforum left a certain spike upwards, then things settled again, and the price is currently at around $4.30. Compared to such companies as Novell, wich you can see the comparison of here, there clearly is a trend that whenever newSCO releases some FUD to the general public and the eager-to-cover media their stock is up for a short time, and the companies they are in legal battles with are down. Then it all slowly goes back as it was before. IBM, RedHat and Novell are all three doing rather well in comparison to newSCO.

It's sad to see how this hunger for money drive a former great company into the ground. I hope both investors and current stockholders realize that the only thing that is going to save newSCO is to focus on their product and shuffle Darl and his litigation off into the void.

Lets have a look at their 6 months movement.
This little chart shows how newSCO's stock is doing. Their recent pressreleases and blabbering during the SCOforum left a certain spike upwards, then things settled again, and the price is currently at around $4.30. Compared to such companies as Novell, wich you can see the comparison of here, there clearly is a trend that whenever newSCO releases some FUD to the general public and the eager-to-cover media their stock is up for a short time, and the companies they are in legal battles with are down. Then it all slowly goes back as it was before. IBM, RedHat and Novell are all three doing rather well in comparison to newSCO.

It's sad to see how this hunger for money drive a former great company into the ground. I hope both investors and current stockholders realize that the only thing that is going to save newSCO is to focus on their product and shuffle Darl and his litigation off into the void.

Lets have a look at their 6 months movement.
This little chart shows how newSCO's stock is doing. Their recent pressreleases and blabbering during the SCOforum left a certain spike upwards, then things settled again, and the price is currently at around $4.30. Compared to such companies as Novell, wich you can see the comparison of here, there clearly is a trend that whenever newSCO releases some FUD to the general public and the eager-to-cover media their stock is up for a short time, and the companies they are in legal battles with are down. Then it all slowly goes back as it was before. IBM, RedHat and Novell are all three doing rather well in comparison to newSCO.

It's sad to see how this hunger for money drive a former great company into the ground. I hope both investors and current stockholders realize that the only thing that is going to save newSCO is to focus on their product and shuffle Darl and his litigation off into the void.

Lets have a look at their 6 months movement.
This little chart shows how newSCO's stock is doing. Their recent pressreleases and blabbering during the SCOforum left a certain spike upwards, then things settled again, and the price is currently at around $4.30. Compared to such companies as Novell, wich you can see the comparison of here, there clearly is a trend that whenever newSCO releases some FUD to the general public and the eager-to-cover media their stock is up for a short time, and the companies they are in legal battles with are down. Then it all slowly goes back as it was before. IBM, RedHat and Novell are all three doing rather well in comparison to newSCO.

It's sad to see how this hunger for money drive a former great company into the ground. I hope both investors and current stockholders realize that the only thing that is going to save newSCO is to focus on their product and shuffle Darl and his litigation off into the void.

No.

MSFT is paying a dividend now, though a tiny one. Also, for quite a long time they have been buying back huge amounts of stock, almost $6 billion in 2001, and ~4.5 billion in 02 and 03, and are on track for the same this year. They are still making a lot more money than they are paying out, but that is beside the point because no one can force them to continue to buy back stock if they hit financial troubles. Most tech companies sell stock on the open market and dilute thier shareholders' value to raise cash, and there is nothing illegal or against the rules about that. Cisco, which certainly wasn't a poor company at the time sold $3 billion in stock from 2000-2001, and no one complained.

Everytime something happens in the SCucks case, Pretenderle and Didiot come out of the blue corner.

Well, as far as SCO is concerned, there seems to be only one analyst caring to give his opinion. It is "sell".

And his advice seems to be good: even though, SCO has made some press release and arranged for other news to try to get the investor's interest, their stock continues to plummet.

(There was no SCO story today, so we need at leat this comment in an unrelated story, dont'we?)

Everytime something happens in the SCucks case, Pretenderle and Didiot come out of the blue corner.

Well, as far as SCO is concerned, there seems to be only one analyst caring to give his opinion. It is "sell".

And his advice seems to be good: even though, SCO has made some press release and arranged for other news to try to get the investor's interest, their stock continues to plummet.

(There was no SCO story today, so we need at leat this comment in an unrelated story, dont'we?)

You mean for companies like Novell, IBM and Redhat?

This is a notice from the "Slashdot Idiot Recognition Squad". You've completely blown past "DROOLING MORON" and landed square in the middle of the range we call "FUCKTARD". Congrats on your achievement.

For a clue as to why this is so impressive, let's look at the points that you make one by one:

1) "Instead of making money, which they have enough..."

AMD's been losing money. Here's a link to the Nasdaq infoquote (the -.25 EPS indicates that they are losing money).

2) "A better chip at a reasonable cost.."

AMD's chips are generally much less expensive than Intel's

3) "can bring on a new revolution in the computer indistry..."

We've seen a many-fold increase in power since I started in the computer industry and the extra computing power has done little to revolutionize the industry. It's fundamental shifts like the Internet that have started the revolutions that I've witnessed.

4) "chaning [sic] society for the good."

Computers have had a much less noticable impact on society than many other influences. Especially television.

It seems you got justt about everything wrong in your post. Are you sure you're not logged into Daddy's account?

I wonder why they want to be anonymous? The recommendation.

Another area that could benefit from it is Google Zeitgeist

That chart seems a bit flawed. If you switch it to this you will see an entirely different story.

Try looking here and here and tell me Novell is down?

Try looking here and here and tell me Novell is down?

Unfortunately not just scox is down, see novl :(
SCO vs Novl

All the time i thought that this was an indication that SCO-stock was massively sold short and that those sellers needed 2.4 million shares (as of Feb. 13) to cover their sales.

Even though SCO's stock has had one hell of a run, and (overwhelming) majority of us believe that their campaign is a fluff, nasdaq's risk analysis tools rates it almost alongside Redhat's stock.

SCOX grade is at 369 and RHAT is at 356.
For reference, Nasdaq is 86 and S&P500 is 52
Higher the number, greater the risk.

SCOX Risk
RHAT Risk
So, either these analysts are smoking crack or maybe I am just a dumbass when it comes to stocks. The later is a likely possibility!

Even though SCO's stock has had one hell of a run, and (overwhelming) majority of us believe that their campaign is a fluff, nasdaq's risk analysis tools rates it almost alongside Redhat's stock.

SCOX grade is at 369 and RHAT is at 356.
For reference, Nasdaq is 86 and S&P500 is 52
Higher the number, greater the risk.

SCOX Risk
RHAT Risk
So, either these analysts are smoking crack or maybe I am just a dumbass when it comes to stocks. The later is a likely possibility!