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Cool.
Going a bit further, why not just put a miniscule amount of C4 in a bullet with those batteries and have explosive rounds? The 5.56 bullets we have now are effective, but simply lack the stopping power of an explosive-tipped armor-piercing warhead -- instead of a neat little hole in the head, which a mad terrorist could run through easily, why not just use C4-tipped rounds to destroy their head like a Gallagher-smashed watermelon?
Oh, and you're sexier than me and get more than I do.
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Eco tax evasion?
Will the British government bust people who use these batteries for evading the UK's fuel tax? They are busting the drivers of "grease cars." The oil mafia will crush alternative fuels at every turn, and they have governments in their back pockets.
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Re:browser requirements
Funny you should mention porn support.
One of my favorite web browsing features comes from a project called Pornzilla, an effort to turn Moz into a better poon-viewing platform.
At the link above, there's a neat little javascript-bookmarklet which will open a new window and populated with all images linkd to on any given page. You can then save just the images en-masse or view them without clicking to and fro a bunch.
Yes, it's a neat invention for porn surfers. It's even better for any kind of web artwork or to check image links on a page you're developing. Unfortuneatly, it chokes on donkey balls on sites that check referrer headers before serving images. -
Google is your friend.
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Re:The problem
"I dont like time warner, but they give us Netscape / Mozilla, Winamp and ICQ for free. "
You do realize you can get these four programs without relying on Time Warner at all?
How are you set up that you would have to pay for them in the first place? They're all free for anyone to have, and have been for months/years. -
Re:Is it really lean?
Why not take an old version of Netscape for a spin?
Netscape 4.77 download page
Yes, it's slow and clunky and crashes like drunken fratboy in his dads' truck, but it is less memory hungry than Mozilla. -
Re:Because...
Yes I am married. We are partners. I am not her manservant. If your marriage involves slaving for the princess, perhaps this story about a man who divorced his quarrelsome wife, and married a mute will make you feel better. If your marriage will be in trouble if you put your foot down, is it already in trouble.
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I think you can use the Netscape one
Here
Haven't tried it though. -
Netscape Spell Checker
In an earlier story, somebody mentioned that you could download the Netscape spellchecker as an
.xpi file from their ftp site. I think this is it.
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Re:p2p
I wonder if that's needed. Lots of websites use Google as their default search engine, for example Netscape search uses Google.
People smart enough to use Google cache and groups.google.com will always find alternatives .
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Spellchecker anyone?
You can get get the Linux spellchecker.xpi and the Windows spellchk.xpi from the Netscape FTP site along with some other options that aren't included with Mozilla. Yea, I know that there is a spellchecker project for Mozilla but it's not really ready yet - and my wife is really complaining about it.
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Spellchecker anyone?
You can get get the Linux spellchecker.xpi and the Windows spellchk.xpi from the Netscape FTP site along with some other options that aren't included with Mozilla. Yea, I know that there is a spellchecker project for Mozilla but it's not really ready yet - and my wife is really complaining about it.
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Built for the way I use the web?
So I'm surfing on over to Netscape's browser page to have a look at the new monster when...OH MY LORD!!!! Jumping out from behind my desk I run to the wall and yank my network cable from the wall jack.
It seems as though Netscape has been spying on me while I surf the internet, how else could they produce a browser for the way I use the web? I must say that I feel torn by the obvious intrusion into my personal space and the fact that Netscap 7.0 must now be a Lynx clone. It sure would be nice to run a text only browser with a Netscape interface.
Maybe when I get brave enough to go back on the web I'll give it a try...
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The term "Communicator" is dead
That's the difference between the browser Mozilla and the company Netscape? How do you compare a browser to a company?
The Internet suite distributed by Netscape Communications, a unit of AOL(tw), is called "Netscape". Version 4.x was called "Communicator". It began to be officially known as "Netscape" starting with version 6.
Ooooh! You meant the difference between Mozilla and Navigator, right?
From Mozilla 1.1, I pull down the Window menu, and I see the word "Navigator". I guess both Netscape and Mozilla use the term "Navigator" to refer to the web browser component.
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Re:EFFECT
Well, it's defintely not going to have much of an effect if Netscape doesn't even bother to mention it's out. Going to http://www.netscape.com just lets me know that Faith Hill is back (from where?) and some relative of the Kennedy's is in jail for 20 years.... if Netscape's not excited about the new 7.0 release, why on earth will I?
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NS Communicator 4.8?I was pokin thru their site the other day, and found this: ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/english/4
. 8/The funny thing is that 4.79 is listed at 11/7/2001, while this is actually brand new: 8/15/2002.
dunno why they're supporting this old ver, but whatever..
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Mozillazine has more info...
So that you wont have to
/. mozillazine.org here's the text with links:
Netscape Communications Corporation today launched the final version of Netscape 7.0. This latest release is based on Mozilla 1.0.1, making it the first Netscape browser to be built upon post-1.0 code. The new version boasts several enhancements over the 0.9.4-based Netscape 6.2, including tabbed browsing, the ability to save complete web pages, print preview, site icons (Favicons), a download manager, full screen mode (Windows only), Quick Search within Mail Newsgroups and Address Book, return receipts, mail labels, (Secure Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) S/MIME mail encryption, CSS support in Composer and one-click web page publishing.
Netscape 7.0 also has several features not found in Mozilla. These include the ability to access Netscape Webmail and AOL accounts directly from within Mail Newsgroups, a button to easily toggle the display of My Sidebar in Navigator and P3P (Platform for Privacy Preferences) support for automated cookie handling. Improved instant messaging features including file transfers, Buddy Alerts and Buddy Icons are provided by AOL Instant Messenger for Netscape and ICQ for Netscape. There's also a round throbber with a cool animation.
Netscape 7.0 can be downloaded from Netscape's web site or FTP server. More details can be found at Netscape Browser Central or in the Release Notes. -
Mozillazine has more info...
So that you wont have to
/. mozillazine.org here's the text with links:
Netscape Communications Corporation today launched the final version of Netscape 7.0. This latest release is based on Mozilla 1.0.1, making it the first Netscape browser to be built upon post-1.0 code. The new version boasts several enhancements over the 0.9.4-based Netscape 6.2, including tabbed browsing, the ability to save complete web pages, print preview, site icons (Favicons), a download manager, full screen mode (Windows only), Quick Search within Mail Newsgroups and Address Book, return receipts, mail labels, (Secure Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) S/MIME mail encryption, CSS support in Composer and one-click web page publishing.
Netscape 7.0 also has several features not found in Mozilla. These include the ability to access Netscape Webmail and AOL accounts directly from within Mail Newsgroups, a button to easily toggle the display of My Sidebar in Navigator and P3P (Platform for Privacy Preferences) support for automated cookie handling. Improved instant messaging features including file transfers, Buddy Alerts and Buddy Icons are provided by AOL Instant Messenger for Netscape and ICQ for Netscape. There's also a round throbber with a cool animation.
Netscape 7.0 can be downloaded from Netscape's web site or FTP server. More details can be found at Netscape Browser Central or in the Release Notes. -
Mozillazine has more info...
So that you wont have to
/. mozillazine.org here's the text with links:
Netscape Communications Corporation today launched the final version of Netscape 7.0. This latest release is based on Mozilla 1.0.1, making it the first Netscape browser to be built upon post-1.0 code. The new version boasts several enhancements over the 0.9.4-based Netscape 6.2, including tabbed browsing, the ability to save complete web pages, print preview, site icons (Favicons), a download manager, full screen mode (Windows only), Quick Search within Mail Newsgroups and Address Book, return receipts, mail labels, (Secure Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) S/MIME mail encryption, CSS support in Composer and one-click web page publishing.
Netscape 7.0 also has several features not found in Mozilla. These include the ability to access Netscape Webmail and AOL accounts directly from within Mail Newsgroups, a button to easily toggle the display of My Sidebar in Navigator and P3P (Platform for Privacy Preferences) support for automated cookie handling. Improved instant messaging features including file transfers, Buddy Alerts and Buddy Icons are provided by AOL Instant Messenger for Netscape and ICQ for Netscape. There's also a round throbber with a cool animation.
Netscape 7.0 can be downloaded from Netscape's web site or FTP server. More details can be found at Netscape Browser Central or in the Release Notes. -
Mozillazine has more info...
So that you wont have to
/. mozillazine.org here's the text with links:
Netscape Communications Corporation today launched the final version of Netscape 7.0. This latest release is based on Mozilla 1.0.1, making it the first Netscape browser to be built upon post-1.0 code. The new version boasts several enhancements over the 0.9.4-based Netscape 6.2, including tabbed browsing, the ability to save complete web pages, print preview, site icons (Favicons), a download manager, full screen mode (Windows only), Quick Search within Mail Newsgroups and Address Book, return receipts, mail labels, (Secure Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) S/MIME mail encryption, CSS support in Composer and one-click web page publishing.
Netscape 7.0 also has several features not found in Mozilla. These include the ability to access Netscape Webmail and AOL accounts directly from within Mail Newsgroups, a button to easily toggle the display of My Sidebar in Navigator and P3P (Platform for Privacy Preferences) support for automated cookie handling. Improved instant messaging features including file transfers, Buddy Alerts and Buddy Icons are provided by AOL Instant Messenger for Netscape and ICQ for Netscape. There's also a round throbber with a cool animation.
Netscape 7.0 can be downloaded from Netscape's web site or FTP server. More details can be found at Netscape Browser Central or in the Release Notes. -
Re:What's the difference between it and Mozilla?
Here is the Netscape 7 reviewers guide. (PDF)
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Simple...
Get a near-monopoly on desktop operating systems, expand into developer tools, and push the competition virually out of the marketplace by making people think they have to use your product.
:-)The same technique works well with web browsers and word processors.
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Re:no
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Re:Idiot web developer
By the way, IE is the most DOM compliant browser (comparing it to NS, Mozilla, Opera, and Links). So don't spread the FUD.
Hmm for some strange reason, I get the feeling you don't actually do much DOM work. If you did, you would know that you're the one spreading FUD... or at least, talking out of your ass.
Netscape put out a comparison chart a while ago (M13 vs IE/PC 5.5r1 vs IE/MAC 5.0), which while old, still serves it's purpose in pointing out IE5's weaknesses (IE6 is much improved). ppk keeps has own W3C DOM compatibility chart.
Still, IMO Mozilla's DOM support outshines IE's. Does IE have their known DOM bugs online like Mozilla does? Mozilla's main weaknesses are some speed issues (improving a lot recently), and lack of ranging/selections in textareas, however, the DOM Inspector and JavaScript Debugger more than makes up for it.
The DOM Inspector alone will make you switch to Mozilla as your primary testing browser - it'll tell you the DOM properties, Box model, CSS rules, and computed styles of any element. If that doesn't get your eyes to light up, then you probably haven't ever had to do much "advanced web code multiple browsers."
Praise be the Lizard!
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Re:why I love opera..
Mozilla has zoom. Ctrl +/- zoom in and out.
But that doesn't zoom images. But fortunately, you can get mozilla to zoom images with a bookmarklet from the Pornzilla page.
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Re:Arial Unicode MS Equally ImportantAnswering my own question...
Using the Wayback machine trick outlined above, I was able to get a copy of the original ariuni
.exe file. Below is the EULA, which is written as a supplement to that of applicable software. The definition of the latter includes "Microsoft Office" (no version specified), whereas the MS website now stipulates that the font is for Publisher 2000 users only.Thus, to expand on my comments above, there is an even more dire need for a OS'd and free prorportional TrueType (or better) font with as broad a unicode coverage as possible. The only alternative I know of is Cyberbit; Bitstream's website says it is now a commerical font, but you can download it from netscape's ftp site.
Arial Unicode MS EULA excerpt follows:
SUPPLEMENTAL END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT FOR MICROSOFT SOFTWARE ("SUPPLEMENTAL EULA") (c) 2000 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. IMPORTANT: READ CAREFULLY - These Microsoft software product components, including any "online" or electronic documentation ("Components") are subject to the terms and conditions of the agreement under which you have licensed the applicable Microsoft product ("Product") described below (each an "End User License Agreement" or "EULA") and the terms and conditions of this Supplemental EULA.
.... NOTE: IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A VALID EULA FOR ANY "PRODUCT" (I.E., MICROSOFT OFFICE, MICROSOFT PUBLISHER, AND ANY MICROSOFT PRODUCTS THAT INCLUDE MICROSOFT PUBLISHER AS A COMPONENT PRODUCT), YOU ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO INSTALL, COPY OR OTHERWISE USE THE COMPONENTS AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS UNDER THIS SUPPLEMENTAL EULA. -
Re:Apple and AOL have larger plans?
The eWorld cooperation led to nothing further up to now, so I am unsure if this means anything. Apple seems to be good at keeping options wide open. For example, while the default browser on a fresh Mac OS X is IE, the default home page is hosted by Netscape (AOL/TimeWarner, whatever).
Alex
*sigh* Looking at the eWorld history page reminded me that I even had an AppleLink address... -
Re:zone alarm
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Re:A 2-letter "country code"...
Koreans don't seem to like Unicode either. Most e-mails I receive are encoded as "euc-kr"...
related MLP:
- broad overview (Netscape FAQ)
- better introduction (*nix Unicode FAQ)
- Unicode homepage
Unfortunately, Unix Unicode implementations appear to use UTF-8 (see here) which is rather inefficient for non-ASCII encodings...
This problem appears to be bigger than the internet; it is deeply rooted in the C library itself... -
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PAT BUCHANAN
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LOU DOBBS
MAUREEN DOWD
STEVE DUNLEAVY
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MICHAEL FLEMING
ROGER FRIEDMAN
JOHN FUND
LEAH GARCHIK
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GEORGIE GEYER
JONAH GOLDBERG
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PETE HAMILL
CARL HIAASEN
NAT HENTOFF
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS
H'WOOD REPORTER E-MAIL
ARIANNA HUFFINGTON
INSIDE BELTWAY
INSIDE POLITICS
INSIDE THE RING
MOLLY IVINS
AL KAMEN
MICKEY KAUS
KEITH J. KELLY
MICHAEL KELLY
MICHAEL KINSLEY
HARRY KNOWLES
MORT KONDRACKE
KRAUTHAMMER
LARRY KUDLOW
HOWIE KURTZ
JOHN LEO
DAVID LIMBAUGH
RUSH LIMBAUGH
HAL LINDSEY
RICH LOWRY
MICHELLE MALKIN
CHRIS MATTHEWS
MARY MCGRORY
MICHAEL MEDVED
DICK MORRIS
PEGGY NOONAN
BOB NOVAK
OFF THE RECORD
KATE O'BEIRNE
MARVIN OLASKY
BILL O'REILLY
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ANDREA PEYSER
JIM PINKERTON
JOHN PODHORETZ
TV PROGRAMMING INSIDER
WES PRUDEN
ANNA QUINDLEN
WILLIAM RASPBERRY
REX REED
RICHARD REEVES
J. MAX ROBINS
RICHARD ROEPER
RUSH/MOLLOY
BILL SAFIRE
SCHLAFLY
TOM SHALES
GAIL SHISTER
LIZ SMITH
MICHAEL SNEED
JOE SOBRAN
THOMAS SOWELL
ANDREW SULLIVAN
HELEN THOMAS
CAL THOMAS
HUNTER S. THOMPSON
NEAL TRAVIS
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GEORGE WILL
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Re:its not a xul issueChoice 2 is exactly how the original Navigator / Communicator line was done: Bill Law has some info on this at his NSCP homepage.
IIRC, the discussions regarding creation of XUL went something like this:- No one wants to work on the Communicator 5.0 codebase; it's all crufty spaghetti.
- NGLayout is really cool; let's work on that instead!
- There are very few people who want to work on the front-end stuff for {platform X where X not in ('Windows','Linux')}
- You know, we have to code all these widgets anyway for use in the browser window; the APIs are all too different to try to use native ones in the renderer.....
- Why don't we use the renderer widgets to build the chrome!
- Let's go with that, and rebrand Mozilla as an Application Development Platform instead of a browser!
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No major reason to switch over????
Overall they say that mozilla would make a good substitute for IE 6 but there is no major reason to switch over.
No reason to switch over? I've been using Mozilla 1.0 in Windows constantly since 1.0 was released. IE 6 just feels so DUMB compared to it. I shouldn't even have to mention tabbed browsing or the sidebar tabs and the great reference content that you can put there. As a web developer I find it indispensible. I can't speak for the average user, but I think that when this thing gets released as Netscape 7 with seamless support for all of the plugins Microsoft will be in for run for its money.
Bottom line, there are major reasons to switch over -- tabbed browsing, control of javascript (no popups), searching Google from the url bar. I can't say enough.
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Outing the "inventor" of pop-ups.He's gonna kill me for this, but he has to find me first.
Hi Jonathan.
Back in the day (think Navigator 3.02 timeframe) at Netscape, the "home page" marketing team though spawning a new window would be nifty. With their PRD in hand, they turned to an engineer named Jonathan Feinstein.
Jonathan might not have been the absolute first, but he certainly created the most visible pop-up example. Back then, Netscape had well over 50% market share and the vast majority of those users still used www.netscape.com as their home page. Millions of users were baffled by this new thing. And thousands of "web-designers" copied it.
So there you go. I'll buy him a beer if I ever see him again.
(NOTE: I warned him I'd do this years ago. I just forgot. PDF file of his evil intentions
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Re:http referrer
The value of 1 came in a patch by the PornBrowser team, did it?
Many free web hosts (not just porn hosts) require each image request to include the correct referrer. I wouldn't expect the "images only" setting to work on porn sites, because the browser doesn't know whether a link (such as a thumbnail) links to an image or an html page.
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Re:Mozilla Sucks
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Re:You owe the Oracle a "get out of jail free" car(* define "inapropriate comment"... sounds to me like he was stupid enough to a joke about terrorists in an airport. *)
Well... According to this Article he said ""Why are you worried about tweezers when I could crash the plane?". A perfectly legitimate question for a pilot, from my point of view.
Sure, if that is in fact, what he said. From the CNN article linked to from the one you linked:Elwood Maneer, 46, was charged with making terrorist threats and disorderly conduct, said Philadelphia police spokesman Cpl. Jim Pauley, who would not disclose what was said. "I don't have the exact words," Pauley said. "We're just saying he made an inappropriate comment. We're not going to get into exactly what he said."
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Re:You owe the Oracle a "get out of jail free" car
(* define "inapropriate comment"... sounds to me like he was stupid enough to a joke about terrorists in an airport. *)
Well... According to this Article he said ""Why are you worried about tweezers when I could crash the plane?". A perfectly legitimate question for a pilot, from my point of view. -
Re:The studies have been done.. by interested part
Fear not, my friend! Our fearless selected, not elected, leader: George W Bush, is planning on having a veritable SWAT team to deal with these rich moneybags. Of course, the shenanigans he pulled at Harken Energy Corp. were "legitimate disagreements over accounting practices." The disagreement, apparently, was that some people thought that you should be held responsible for doing illegal acts, while others felt that rich shits like the Bushes don't need to be held to the same standard as a black guy stealing $23.50 from a vending machine (10 years jail).
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Re:Voluntary subserviance
never underestimate human stupidity
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It makes sense AOL has shoutcast and winamp
AOL already has the broadcasting infrastructure and the reciever infrastructure. Shoutcast uses streaming mp3s which do stream very well considering its not the best compression out there anymore. Winamp is probably still one of the best mp3 players out there.
The problem of course, if they want to kill real audio, is that AOL does NOT have the infrastructure to do video. Others might say the problem is that all this is bottled up in the mess which is currently time-warner. The company which bought up all the tools to destroy microsoft then failed to develop them.
But all this is a moot point because a sizable percentage of people haven't used any real audio product or service in ages because microsoft's media player is adaquate, free, and doesn't require installtion (since it's bundled with the os) or navigating past the "pay for something you already have!" screens to get to the "free" player.
Real audio is a dying format. All AOL has to do is either buy the company (doubtful given the current economic climate at time warner) or simply throw their support to quicktime or windows media. Eventually real audio will go the way of so many other dot.coms that tried to play in microsoft's sandbox.
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Bookmark KeywordsI've also found bookmark keywords to be extremely useful. I have mine set up so that if I want to search for something on google, I just type into the address bar:
- g "whatever i want to search for"
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Cafe Owner arrestedaccording to this article from Yahoo via AP.
Iron bars prevented the escape of customers, who screamed vainly for help at the windows as the building burned. The cafe was located in a hi-tech sector of the city, with two universities. Most of the dead were students, according to the article.
New regulations will be drawn up for operation of these Cafes, and those who comply will be allowed to reopen. I suppose that firewalls, as well as fire escapes, will be on the list of requirements.
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Re:Opera is *great*It can be used like this for anything that supports a GET, such as Google. The setup actually very easy. Check out this page for information on how to set this up, or use the following simplified setup for Google:
- Select Bookmarks|Manage Bookmarks...
- Click File|New|Bookmark in the Bookmark window.
- Enter a descriptive name and http://www.google.com/search?q=%s&start=0&start=0 for the location. (The %s tells it to insert the query there)
- Select the new bookmark and click Properties.
- Enter your choice of a letter or string to search (g?) in the Keyword field.
- You're done! Now you can search Google by typing in a query just like you wanted to and pressing Enter.
As for me, I'm using Mozilla 1.0 as my primary browser. I like it much better than IE. Opera is fairly good, but it's a niche browser. I really don't see any reason to use Opera over Mozilla, or even IE. Even Microsoft doesn't pester the user with ads in the browser. I do like mouse gestures though, so I also use OptiMoz on Mozilla. -
Re:Linux. My anti-virus.
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Re:Constitutional freedom
Another example of how Iceland's civil liberties are rather far from perfect, from today's news.
Can you imagine the outcry if the US banned all members of a specific religion from entering the country?
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Re:Blank page?
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Re:Get it now...
From the NewZilla FAQ:
"The code name for the product that became Netscape Navigator, and later Netscape Communicator. The name was derived from the fact that the first Netscape Navigator was intended to be the "Mosaic killer." Mosaic was the first graphical web browser and quite popular during its time."
The Mosaic it's refering to is NCSA Mosaic: the first web browser. Some of it's principal developers went on to form Netscape Communications Corporation. -
Microsoft is a bug up the software industry's ass!
could we please stop this needless bashing of MS
MS should be bashed...it's like the diner that tries to sell rancid water and stale bread for $100(us). They use whatever means necessary to beat down their competition, so almost all of the other diners (or food producers) have gone out of business or are struggling. You can get better food from homeless shelters for free.
If you want to make a better comparison of MS vs open source then take 80-90% of _all_ open source programs and compare the number of flaws to MS' flaws.
Probably 80-90% of all open source programs are made by one or more of: script kiddies, teenagers playing around, hobbists, power users, people that bought "Learn to Program C in 21 Days" who now think they are "experts", and the people can't program so they start a project on SourceForge with a basic description and hope someone bites. None of these people should be expected to create a decent, bug-free program. For you to even think MS needs to be compared with them shows how backwards your position is.
Anyone and their cat can start an open source project in their garage. It doesn't mean anyone will use these programs, and it is absurd to compare those projects with a funded company that has paid professional programmers. However, from what I've seen, Microsoft would barely scratch by with even this test. If compared with the commonly used (and made by real programmers) Open Source projects, Microsoft wouldn't even have a chance.
Take a simple program like "BitchX," an IRC client.
I've used it before. Not to dis the guy who made it (BitchX isn't too bad an effort), but it does seem a bit script kiddie-like. In fact only a script kiddie would choose such a name.
;-) In fact read their page: "BitchX was started by Trench and HappyCrappy as a script for the ircII client."It has had countless security issues, and IRC has been around since '89 or so.
Why don't you compare BitchX with Microsoft's IRC client--assuming they still have one. All I remember about it was almost no features and stupid cartoons. BitchX has lots of features. Not that I'm saying they should be compared, BitchX is made by script kiddies after all--in fact they seem to want to be known as script kiddies--just look at their page!
We like to conveniently forget about sendmail and bind
What kind of dumbfuck would use sendmail or bind on their servers??? There are plenty of alternatives to those programs...
there is no equal or objective comparison between MS and "Linux" (or whatever you want to define as the yardstick of security.. which is typically "Linux" on
/.) in terms of security.There is no equal or objective comparison between the two because MS doesn't care about security or bugs! Whatever Linus would call a "Brown Paper Bag Bug", Bill calls a "feature".
...and I don't think most slashdot readers define Linux as a "yardstick of security". That would be something more like OpenBSD, who kick the hell out of Microsoft in terms of paranoia and therefore security. Numbers from bug reports aren't a good comparison between them either--the OpenBSD people seem to raise hell when they find the tiniest potential exploit, while Microsoft won't even acknowledge the most horrid of bugs/exploits and will only release a patch if they are embarrassed into it. -
Re: from the it's-only-been-how-many-years dept.Jan 22nd 1998 - Netscape Communicator Source is opened to the public
June 5th 2002 - Mozilla 1.0 Released
Roughly, about 4.5 years.