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I've had my men out working on a Grand Hole in Northern Arizona. My Grand Hole covers 277 miles and has a small river running through it to wick away toxic wastes depositing them in a Giant Pond. So there's no problems with the Good Ol' USA!

Now that same image belongs to Corbis. It's on their web site, but before they quote a price on an image, they make you specify what you're going to do with it. All their uses seem to be commericial. The closest I could come to my needs was to specify that I intended to put it up in the lobby of my business.

And after I go through all this, I'm told that online pricing for this image isn't available! Lame.

I try it again with an image of a person that doesn't have a greedy estate. I end up with a photo of this statue. A download will cost me $1700!

This is IP hoarding of the worst kind.

It's not that black and white. Look at the National Park Service's mission statement.

It's not about choosing unqualified conservation XOR unqualified public-use.

It's a gray area where the need for conservation is balanced against the need for public enjoyment. And it's a balance that varies from decade to decade, administration to administration, and park to park. As both stewards of the land and public servants, park staff are constantly trying to find the right balance.

The "mentality" of "these folks" is really a lot more mature and deep than you're giving them credit for.

Here's the e-mail for the folks at the St. Croix National Scenic Riverway who have banned cacheing though they admit its "good clean wholesome fun." Jeesh. SACN_Interpretation@nps.gov

Sounds kind of like UTM coordinates...

>That fucking statue of liberty you have in New York was made in France. The US just bought it.

This is just wrong.
The Statue of liberty was given by the people of France to the people of the United States as a symbol of freedom and democracy, and a recognition of the strong link between the two countries (grounded into the french revolution movement)

The statue was designed by the sculptor Bartholdi and the inside structure was build by Eiffel (the guy from the famous paris tower).

The story is that once the french has given the statue, the US people had to build the pedestal. But money was not there, until Joseph Pulitzer wrote a famous article to raise funds to honour the french present !

3 years later, the US offers a small one to the french as a tribute to the universal liberty.

Now both statue are face to face for ages one in NYC, one in Paris ....

Let's hope that the "mediacracy" will never manage to separate our peoples.

You could do it like a real caver (i.e. spelunker). Here are some links: Good summary of technique , Some relevant books, A cave surveying mailing list, Some software to reduce your raw data, Links of links to more of the above and cave equipment suppliers.

What's the male/female ratio here, like 5000:1? and the smell of 5000 youngsters, this place will have to reek something fierce, so what's the attraction here? Sure, 5000+/- computers on a Gbit line is pretty kewl, but so is the Blue Ridge Parkway if you haven't been before.

By the way, the company is Acacia , not Acadia , which is the national park in Maine by where I live...

This.

For the historically challenged, the US national symbol of freedom was donated by France. I'd expect the US government to STFU their idiot boycott, or give the monument back to the French.

Almost? Shit man, MS gaves us Impossible Creatures and Asheron's Call. What the fuck did the french ever give us?

How about this thing?

NPS Digital Maps are here.

I always though that the naming of geologic formations allows an interesting glimpse into the mind of the those naming them. Thus we have the French christening mountains in Wyoming the Grand Tetons, and the Spanish dubbing mountains in New Mexico Sangre de Cristos (Blood of Christ).

There are probably some engineers who work only for the money...

Engineers like to make things.

Disney emphasized the nation's Civil War heritage for its latest venture. .... In an effort to combine education and entertainment, Disney officials hoped to include "painful, disturbing and agonizing" exhibits on slavery and re-create a piece of the underground railroad through which park visitors would escape. The goal, as Rummell later clarified, was to be "entertaining in the sense that it would leave you with something that you could mull over." ....

At the initial press conference, Senior Vice President Bob Weis made the mistake of saying that, to show the Civil War "with all its racial conflict," attractions would "make you a Civil War soldier . . . [and] make you feel what it was like to be a slave." Weis meant to refer to Disney's use of the new technology of virtual reality, in which visitors could physically enter an environment and explore it. For instance, Disney had created a ride on Aladdin's carpet in which guests would literally feel as if they were flying through a room. Weis did not intend to suggest for Disney's America the sociological impacts associated with slavery, but many listeners immediately made the connection. Washington Post columnist Courtland Milloy did not mince words when he reminded readers that "authentic history," as Weis promised, must include such atrocities as slave whippings and rape. Unamused, Milloy urged Disney to stick with fun and keep history, especially slave history, out of the park.

You've committed a (probably intentional) logical fallacy. You assume that because the protesters want these particular trees to be saved, that it must mean that they want no tree in the world to be cut down, and that therefore their use of any natural resource is hypocritical. Have I got your logic right?

The fallacy of course, is that these particular trees are very unique. They represent some of the last old-growth coastal redwoods left in the world. They are thousands of years old. There used to be a lot more of them, but they've almost all been cut down over the last century, to make crap like this.

These trees should not be cut down. There's plenty of non-unique timber out there.

1) Big Brutus, in West Mineral, Kansas - the second largest electric shovel in the world, and (IIRC) the only one still in (more or less) one piece. If you are in Branson, MO you are a couple of hours out.

2) The Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center, Hutchinson, Kansas. See where Apollo 13 and Liberty Bell were restored, and (in a couple of months) watch them restore a V2 rocket (and even help them do it!). (While here, if it isn't Sunday, get directions to The Carrage Crossing restaurant).

3) EBR-1 the world's first breeder reactor, and the first reactor to make electric power, just outside Arco, Idaho (first city to be powered by nuclear power) (while here, you can go through Craters of the Moon National Park, one of the places that the Apollo astronauts trained. Stay in the DK inn, and you have a good chance of staying in one of the rooms they stayed in).
4) The Very Large Array, outside Socorro, New Mexico. While here, you could also go through White Sands National Park.
5) The London Bridge V2.1 in Lake Havasu, Nevada, where the entire London Bridge was relocated to.
6) The Jefferson National Expansion Memorial a.k.a. The Saint Lewis Arch - there is quite a museum below the arch, and I found it mind-blowing to realize that Saint Lewis is an ocean port.
7) Mount Rushmore National Park - go through the Rushmore Borglum Story for how they carved it and the tricks Borglum used to make the faces look more alive. While there, stop by....
8) Crazy Horse Memorial to see such a work being created.
9) Mesa Verde National Park, near Cortez, Colorado, and Walnut Canyon National Monument, near Flagstaff, AZ, are great examples of how people can eake out a living and build a city where you wouldn't think anybody could survive.

Of course, just look at The National Parks Service website for all sorts of cool places to go.

1) Big Brutus, in West Mineral, Kansas - the second largest electric shovel in the world, and (IIRC) the only one still in (more or less) one piece. If you are in Branson, MO you are a couple of hours out.

2) The Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center, Hutchinson, Kansas. See where Apollo 13 and Liberty Bell were restored, and (in a couple of months) watch them restore a V2 rocket (and even help them do it!). (While here, if it isn't Sunday, get directions to The Carrage Crossing restaurant).

3) EBR-1 the world's first breeder reactor, and the first reactor to make electric power, just outside Arco, Idaho (first city to be powered by nuclear power) (while here, you can go through Craters of the Moon National Park, one of the places that the Apollo astronauts trained. Stay in the DK inn, and you have a good chance of staying in one of the rooms they stayed in).
4) The Very Large Array, outside Socorro, New Mexico. While here, you could also go through White Sands National Park.
5) The London Bridge V2.1 in Lake Havasu, Nevada, where the entire London Bridge was relocated to.
6) The Jefferson National Expansion Memorial a.k.a. The Saint Lewis Arch - there is quite a museum below the arch, and I found it mind-blowing to realize that Saint Lewis is an ocean port.
7) Mount Rushmore National Park - go through the Rushmore Borglum Story for how they carved it and the tricks Borglum used to make the faces look more alive. While there, stop by....
8) Crazy Horse Memorial to see such a work being created.
9) Mesa Verde National Park, near Cortez, Colorado, and Walnut Canyon National Monument, near Flagstaff, AZ, are great examples of how people can eake out a living and build a city where you wouldn't think anybody could survive.

Of course, just look at The National Parks Service website for all sorts of cool places to go.

1) Big Brutus, in West Mineral, Kansas - the second largest electric shovel in the world, and (IIRC) the only one still in (more or less) one piece. If you are in Branson, MO you are a couple of hours out.

2) The Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center, Hutchinson, Kansas. See where Apollo 13 and Liberty Bell were restored, and (in a couple of months) watch them restore a V2 rocket (and even help them do it!). (While here, if it isn't Sunday, get directions to The Carrage Crossing restaurant).

3) EBR-1 the world's first breeder reactor, and the first reactor to make electric power, just outside Arco, Idaho (first city to be powered by nuclear power) (while here, you can go through Craters of the Moon National Park, one of the places that the Apollo astronauts trained. Stay in the DK inn, and you have a good chance of staying in one of the rooms they stayed in).
4) The Very Large Array, outside Socorro, New Mexico. While here, you could also go through White Sands National Park.
5) The London Bridge V2.1 in Lake Havasu, Nevada, where the entire London Bridge was relocated to.
6) The Jefferson National Expansion Memorial a.k.a. The Saint Lewis Arch - there is quite a museum below the arch, and I found it mind-blowing to realize that Saint Lewis is an ocean port.
7) Mount Rushmore National Park - go through the Rushmore Borglum Story for how they carved it and the tricks Borglum used to make the faces look more alive. While there, stop by....
8) Crazy Horse Memorial to see such a work being created.
9) Mesa Verde National Park, near Cortez, Colorado, and Walnut Canyon National Monument, near Flagstaff, AZ, are great examples of how people can eake out a living and build a city where you wouldn't think anybody could survive.

Of course, just look at The National Parks Service website for all sorts of cool places to go.

1) Big Brutus, in West Mineral, Kansas - the second largest electric shovel in the world, and (IIRC) the only one still in (more or less) one piece. If you are in Branson, MO you are a couple of hours out.

2) The Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center, Hutchinson, Kansas. See where Apollo 13 and Liberty Bell were restored, and (in a couple of months) watch them restore a V2 rocket (and even help them do it!). (While here, if it isn't Sunday, get directions to The Carrage Crossing restaurant).

3) EBR-1 the world's first breeder reactor, and the first reactor to make electric power, just outside Arco, Idaho (first city to be powered by nuclear power) (while here, you can go through Craters of the Moon National Park, one of the places that the Apollo astronauts trained. Stay in the DK inn, and you have a good chance of staying in one of the rooms they stayed in).
4) The Very Large Array, outside Socorro, New Mexico. While here, you could also go through White Sands National Park.
5) The London Bridge V2.1 in Lake Havasu, Nevada, where the entire London Bridge was relocated to.
6) The Jefferson National Expansion Memorial a.k.a. The Saint Lewis Arch - there is quite a museum below the arch, and I found it mind-blowing to realize that Saint Lewis is an ocean port.
7) Mount Rushmore National Park - go through the Rushmore Borglum Story for how they carved it and the tricks Borglum used to make the faces look more alive. While there, stop by....
8) Crazy Horse Memorial to see such a work being created.
9) Mesa Verde National Park, near Cortez, Colorado, and Walnut Canyon National Monument, near Flagstaff, AZ, are great examples of how people can eake out a living and build a city where you wouldn't think anybody could survive.

Of course, just look at The National Parks Service website for all sorts of cool places to go.

1) Big Brutus, in West Mineral, Kansas - the second largest electric shovel in the world, and (IIRC) the only one still in (more or less) one piece. If you are in Branson, MO you are a couple of hours out.

2) The Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center, Hutchinson, Kansas. See where Apollo 13 and Liberty Bell were restored, and (in a couple of months) watch them restore a V2 rocket (and even help them do it!). (While here, if it isn't Sunday, get directions to The Carrage Crossing restaurant).

3) EBR-1 the world's first breeder reactor, and the first reactor to make electric power, just outside Arco, Idaho (first city to be powered by nuclear power) (while here, you can go through Craters of the Moon National Park, one of the places that the Apollo astronauts trained. Stay in the DK inn, and you have a good chance of staying in one of the rooms they stayed in).
4) The Very Large Array, outside Socorro, New Mexico. While here, you could also go through White Sands National Park.
5) The London Bridge V2.1 in Lake Havasu, Nevada, where the entire London Bridge was relocated to.
6) The Jefferson National Expansion Memorial a.k.a. The Saint Lewis Arch - there is quite a museum below the arch, and I found it mind-blowing to realize that Saint Lewis is an ocean port.
7) Mount Rushmore National Park - go through the Rushmore Borglum Story for how they carved it and the tricks Borglum used to make the faces look more alive. While there, stop by....
8) Crazy Horse Memorial to see such a work being created.
9) Mesa Verde National Park, near Cortez, Colorado, and Walnut Canyon National Monument, near Flagstaff, AZ, are great examples of how people can eake out a living and build a city where you wouldn't think anybody could survive.

Of course, just look at The National Parks Service website for all sorts of cool places to go.

1) Big Brutus, in West Mineral, Kansas - the second largest electric shovel in the world, and (IIRC) the only one still in (more or less) one piece. If you are in Branson, MO you are a couple of hours out.

2) The Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center, Hutchinson, Kansas. See where Apollo 13 and Liberty Bell were restored, and (in a couple of months) watch them restore a V2 rocket (and even help them do it!). (While here, if it isn't Sunday, get directions to The Carrage Crossing restaurant).

3) EBR-1 the world's first breeder reactor, and the first reactor to make electric power, just outside Arco, Idaho (first city to be powered by nuclear power) (while here, you can go through Craters of the Moon National Park, one of the places that the Apollo astronauts trained. Stay in the DK inn, and you have a good chance of staying in one of the rooms they stayed in).
4) The Very Large Array, outside Socorro, New Mexico. While here, you could also go through White Sands National Park.
5) The London Bridge V2.1 in Lake Havasu, Nevada, where the entire London Bridge was relocated to.
6) The Jefferson National Expansion Memorial a.k.a. The Saint Lewis Arch - there is quite a museum below the arch, and I found it mind-blowing to realize that Saint Lewis is an ocean port.
7) Mount Rushmore National Park - go through the Rushmore Borglum Story for how they carved it and the tricks Borglum used to make the faces look more alive. While there, stop by....
8) Crazy Horse Memorial to see such a work being created.
9) Mesa Verde National Park, near Cortez, Colorado, and Walnut Canyon National Monument, near Flagstaff, AZ, are great examples of how people can eake out a living and build a city where you wouldn't think anybody could survive.

Of course, just look at The National Parks Service website for all sorts of cool places to go.

1) Big Brutus, in West Mineral, Kansas - the second largest electric shovel in the world, and (IIRC) the only one still in (more or less) one piece. If you are in Branson, MO you are a couple of hours out.

2) The Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center, Hutchinson, Kansas. See where Apollo 13 and Liberty Bell were restored, and (in a couple of months) watch them restore a V2 rocket (and even help them do it!). (While here, if it isn't Sunday, get directions to The Carrage Crossing restaurant).

3) EBR-1 the world's first breeder reactor, and the first reactor to make electric power, just outside Arco, Idaho (first city to be powered by nuclear power) (while here, you can go through Craters of the Moon National Park, one of the places that the Apollo astronauts trained. Stay in the DK inn, and you have a good chance of staying in one of the rooms they stayed in).
4) The Very Large Array, outside Socorro, New Mexico. While here, you could also go through White Sands National Park.
5) The London Bridge V2.1 in Lake Havasu, Nevada, where the entire London Bridge was relocated to.
6) The Jefferson National Expansion Memorial a.k.a. The Saint Lewis Arch - there is quite a museum below the arch, and I found it mind-blowing to realize that Saint Lewis is an ocean port.
7) Mount Rushmore National Park - go through the Rushmore Borglum Story for how they carved it and the tricks Borglum used to make the faces look more alive. While there, stop by....
8) Crazy Horse Memorial to see such a work being created.
9) Mesa Verde National Park, near Cortez, Colorado, and Walnut Canyon National Monument, near Flagstaff, AZ, are great examples of how people can eake out a living and build a city where you wouldn't think anybody could survive.

Of course, just look at The National Parks Service website for all sorts of cool places to go.

Well parts of it at least. The textile industry in the US was built on stolen technology from the British. The designs for the advanced British machines was memorized by Samuel Slater who came to the US and started buildin the machines in Rhode Island.

How quickly we forget...

From the Fifth Amendment:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

If you are ever in Idaho, you should visit EBR-1, the world's first breeder reactor. It is decommissioned, cold, and open for tourists during the summer season. Outside, they have some prototype nuclear jet engines - devices that took in air, heated it with a fission reactor, and expelled it for thrust. Neat stuff - would have been nasty as hell had it ever gone into service, but neat none the less.

EBR-1 is about 4 hours drive from the west entrance of Yellowstone National Park, and about 45 minute from Craters of the Moon National Park, so there's plenty of other stuff to do in the area.

If you are ever in Idaho, you should visit EBR-1, the world's first breeder reactor. It is decommissioned, cold, and open for tourists during the summer season. Outside, they have some prototype nuclear jet engines - devices that took in air, heated it with a fission reactor, and expelled it for thrust. Neat stuff - would have been nasty as hell had it ever gone into service, but neat none the less.

EBR-1 is about 4 hours drive from the west entrance of Yellowstone National Park, and about 45 minute from Craters of the Moon National Park, so there's plenty of other stuff to do in the area.

Actually, since 1933 the HABS project has been documenting everything about various historically significant structures. They note everything from building materials, to decorating details (your wallpaper pattern choices noted for the benefit of future generations) to detailed drawings of how those structures were used, and then all that is preserved in the Library of Congress. (Check out the section of the site on production notes to find out the meaning of the word detailed.) So, the way I figure it - if they raze the city (or anywhere else) tomorrow, even if it isn't rebuilt there is at least good documentation for some of the more important structures, and what they were used for. Of course, I'm not sure how that will work if someone destroys the Library of Congress instead.

your right
Nothing good ever came out of garage tinkering, anyhow.

Ironically, what you suggest is called the Universal Transverse Mercator grid, it's already build into all decent GPS models and yes it's based on Metrics.

Ahh, I see someone has taken (or leads) the
Wild Cave Tour at Mammoth Cave, KY.

For some time I've been working on a contingency plan for the event that I might end up unemployed.
A major part of it is this trip - just under 6500 miles covering many places I've been before, or would love to go to.
I estimate it would take about 3 months to do properly, so that I could enjoy everything I could without having to rush through it.

I figure camping along the coast of Lake Superior by Wawa would be a great start.
I've spent many a week off in the summer camping there, and never run out of things to see. [Pictures/Writeup of a recent trip].

After that, it would be a westward run along highway 1 accross the canadian shield towards Clagary, Banff, and Jasper.

I probably would dip towards the south as I approached Calgary, to pass through Fort Macleod so that I could visit the Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump again, before I lingered for a couple of weeks around Banff and Jasper.
I have only been in this area twice, once about 9 years ago as part of the last long road trip I took with my parents, and last year with a friend [Pictures]. The Banff and Jasper parks are amazing. The Icefields Parkway is Breathtaking. I could probably spend every summer out here for the rest of my life, and never get bored or stop discovering new things.

When it was finally time to move on, I would push on to the west coast, and gradually wander southward along the coast from Vancouver, to Los Angeles.
I intend to try out a small chunk of this part of the run in July, taking a week to drive between Los Angeles and SanFrancisco (and back) with my brother.

After this, everything gets vague. I could swing south, and see Mesa Verde for the first time since middle school, take the central route and revisit Dinosaur National Monument, or swing to the north and rexperience the solitude of the badlands. I probably wouldn't decide until I reached LA.

For some time I've been working on a contingency plan for the event that I might end up unemployed.
A major part of it is this trip - just under 6500 miles covering many places I've been before, or would love to go to.
I estimate it would take about 3 months to do properly, so that I could enjoy everything I could without having to rush through it.

I figure camping along the coast of Lake Superior by Wawa would be a great start.
I've spent many a week off in the summer camping there, and never run out of things to see. [Pictures/Writeup of a recent trip].

After that, it would be a westward run along highway 1 accross the canadian shield towards Clagary, Banff, and Jasper.

I probably would dip towards the south as I approached Calgary, to pass through Fort Macleod so that I could visit the Head Smashed In Buffalo Jump again, before I lingered for a couple of weeks around Banff and Jasper.
I have only been in this area twice, once about 9 years ago as part of the last long road trip I took with my parents, and last year with a friend [Pictures]. The Banff and Jasper parks are amazing. The Icefields Parkway is Breathtaking. I could probably spend every summer out here for the rest of my life, and never get bored or stop discovering new things.

When it was finally time to move on, I would push on to the west coast, and gradually wander southward along the coast from Vancouver, to Los Angeles.
I intend to try out a small chunk of this part of the run in July, taking a week to drive between Los Angeles and SanFrancisco (and back) with my brother.

After this, everything gets vague. I could swing south, and see Mesa Verde for the first time since middle school, take the central route and revisit Dinosaur National Monument, or swing to the north and rexperience the solitude of the badlands. I probably wouldn't decide until I reached LA.

Are you saying that all people who use linux are affiliated with al qaeda? And Pres. Bush's middle name is not washington, it is walker.

He didn't say President George Washington Bush. Being one of the founders of Washington state, George Washington Bush would do doubt be a supporter of the state's savior, Bill Gates, against communist Linux and BSD and the pinko hippie Apple regime, who are supporting the Axis of Evil, refusing to let the MPAA and RIAA help our children by deciding what they get to witness and in what order.

P.S.: Washington state is the new postal home to the true Catholic Church, reigning gloriously from a post office box in Springdale. You may think that has nothing to do with financial software, but it's just that kind of thinking that aids terrorism.

Would You Trust a Source Named Anarchy?

More than I would trust one ending with .gov

On a separate note, an attempt to reach the Marconi site's website, resulted in a repeated ``www.nps.gov could not be found'' error. I guess they know too much about the Dept. of Interior's Indian Trust Fund. The link to the Cape Cod site in the story takes you to Google's cache.

The site www.doi.gov is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) on Solaris.

The site www.blm.gov is running Apache/1.3.22 (Unix) PHP/4.0.6 on unknown.

The site www.nps.gov is running Netscape-Enterprise/4.1 on Solaris.

Oh, and nps is still up....

"Virtually Identical"

I thought reality was something with which you could interact. Even a virtual reality must have some sort of I/O or it's just a movie, no matter how many gimmicks are thrown in. Smoke and mirrors may prepare soldiers for some of the confusion of being in combat, but the ability to think on one's feet and react to a rapidly changing scenario won't come from looking at a movie screen.

Between Kennedy Airport and the crash site lies Gateway National Recreation Area, providing ample opportunities for New York's Muslim Arab community to enjoy such recreational activities as birding, boating and fishing. Brooklyn, just next door to Queens, has the largest concentration of Arabs in the US - the second-largest after Detroit. One Brooklyn high-schooler, of an Egyptian immigrant family, proudly told his class a week before 9/11, "See those towers. In a week they won't be there." Authorities appear to believe this a coincidence, as they let the boy's father return to Egypt after questioning.

For those interested in the mountain behind (or above, being the tallest mountain in the contiguous United States at 14,412 feet) go take a look at the Mount Rainier National Park Homepage. Its a beautiful place (I grew up there, my dad was a Park Ranger (look at his page for more pics of the mountain).

I, for one, am really glad to see that Linux is supporting our national parks. Heaven knows that we geeks need to get outdoors once and a while.

"We had no idea. If we had, we would have stuck to the bicycle trade, and saved countless lives!" declared Orville.

"Oh, get a life!" replied Wilbur, "We never said any of that. Typical yellow journalism."

this site,
this site,
this site and
this site all mention "the vietnam war". Whilst the US might never have been at war with the country Vietnam itself (although that is debatable when you look at the whole thing) it was certainly involved in some kind of war in Vietnam. I would call it a civil war, not unlike the Spanish civil war. In that war the Nazis backed the fascists like the US backed the South-Vietnamese.

The biggest violation that you missed was perpetrated by FDR during WWII. This was the closest America has come to a "final solution" so recently (terrifying).

Previously it was the American Indian (from our modern standpoint it is fortunate for America that the American Indian lacked access [GUN CONTROL in action] to a sufficient quantity of guns and ammunition to preserve their way of life ... visit some reservations to get a clearer picture ... the ones who faught are all dead now so we can't ask why they faught)

Because the second amendment, and those championing "gun rights", have never protected their rights and they never will. NOT EXACTLY ==> Guns Save Lives [News] Stories (eleven-pages of hyperlinks ... there would be more for 2001/2000 but there seems to be growing censorship of publishing these stories - memory hole???)

California's Government Code, Sections 821, 845, and 846 which state, in part: "Neither a public entity or a public employee [may be sued] for failure to provide adequate police protection or service, failure to prevent the commission of crimes and failure to apprehend criminals." (Please check this out as I only copy 'n pasted from a non-CA gov't website ... maybe it is misquoted ... whether misquoted or not you can still "Dial 911 and [wait to] die" ;-);-);-)

Of Holocausts and Gun Control (Washington University Law Quarterly)

GAMBLING WITH YOUR LIFE Is 911 an acceptable option?

Statistics the Gun Haters Don't Talk About

The Racist Roots of Gun Control

Taking Aim at Gun Control

"Dial 911 and Die (Radio Commercial)"

GUN CONTROL: A REALISTIC ASSESSMENT

The First Million Mom March

Guns and Violence: A Summary of the Field

Gun Control Advocates Purvey Deadly Myths

Research related to "Gun Control

"Genocide Delayed"

Jews and "Gun Control": Fear of Freedom or Freedom from Fear?

The Racist Origins of US Gun Control: Laws Designed To Disarm Slaves, Freedmen, And African-Americans

Post your mailing address so I can send you a yard signs and window stickers that say "The people in this home are unarmed. We depend on 911" and "Protected by 911"

I would post more links to DATA but the hour is late and we are beginning to go off topic from the First Amendment issue. Although I raised the other twenty-six Amendments as a "tangential editorial comment"

This is you? I am impressed! Too bad for your sake that I'm not some cute blonde 19 year old impressed coed, but I am impressed all the same.... I've always wondered how you verify the discovery / recovery of a new / rare species. Usually I wonder this right when some cool looking gold-shelled beetle with emerald green eyes lands nearby and I wonder if this is a new species that I could name cybrpnkii bugii.... Please allow me to read between the lines of your postings and make a comment or two. So what if nobody else around you thinks trees are cool or even doesn't care about your solid achievements as a naturalist? What you care about IS important, whether anybody shares that with you or not, and deep inside you obviously know that. The world is full of people who don't care and own chain saws. The day that the few people like you stop caring about conservation is the day the last field gets paved over, and that will be a very bad day indeed. It's people like you who poke around under rocks in the forest (so to speak) that have given all of us the keys to genetic engineering and leads on a cure for cancer. This is important even tho the financial rewards are often lacking...So best of wishes on your wildlife pursuits, and who knows, I'm a Tennessee native (Go Vols!) living in north Alabama, if I ever bump in to you in Gatlinburg or the Smokies, the drinks are on me! -cybrpnk (rickyjames@email.com)

I could see this type of thing really sprucing up the Dinosaur National Monument in Vernal, UT.

It allowed aboriginal Americans to claim the 9,000 year old bones of the Kennewick Man as their direct ancestor. Nova also covered this issue with Mystery of the First Americans. His genes show that he's most closely related to the Ainu.

There hasn't been a successful DNA analysis. I'm pretty sure that scientists weren't allowed to drill into the teeth, which would be the most likely source of uncontaminated DNA.

I guess the DNA study is a recent development. P revious researchers think they may have been related to the Celts. The Weegas (God knows how many English spelling variations ther are) probably have some ancestry from these peoples. Some of them have blue eyes, which can be seen in other shows about Western China. They do share some cultural characteristics with the mummies. Over time the caucasoid gene pool was replaced by the mongoloid gene pool.

Check out PBS 1998 Nova's Mysterious Mummies of China and for 1999 the Discovery Channel's Riddle of the Desert Mummies

Why oh why is it that all the cool stuff about the history of mankind... er ah humanity is in countries that aren't friendly to America? China, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.

If you think the international politics are bad. Just check out our very own domestic Graves Act. It allowed aboriginal Americans to claim the 9,000 year old bones of the Kennewick Man as their direct ancestor. Nova also covered this issue with Mystery of the First Americans. His genes show that he's most closely related to the Ainu.

The peopling of the Earth is a contentious issue and probably will be until all our genes are thoroughly mixed and we become a uniform gray with no outward sexual differentiation.