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Portland, OR city managers who have never been outside during the day may find this surprising:

There is this huge thing called the Sun. It emits ALL wavelengths. Cell phone towers limit their radiation because they don't want to interfere with the next "cell".

Portland, OR city management is VERY poor. One story: Portland's form of government fails residents in almost every way thinkable, report finds. (Feb. 10, 2019)

At least it didn't crash.

I'm pretty sure that even if Antifa was clubbing someone right in front of you, that you'd say they were just having a mild disagreement. Certainly it isn't an easy job covering for Antifa, but it does require a certain creativity of which at least you're clearly capable of.

Here's a good example of someone being 'held accountable' for daring to display a symbol of the fascist alt-right neo nazis, and being 'censored' as your ilk would have it.

No thanks. Religious fanatics have no business deciding what is or isn't 'harmful' or 'hateful' for the rest of us. Only a fool would submit to this kind of tyranny.

So do bible-thumpers. There's no meaningful difference between left-nazis and right-nazis here.

...

Bullshit.

First, left-nazis actually have terms for censoring opposing viewpoints.

Second, Bible-thumpers may be obnoxious in their misguided attempts to save your soul, but they won't beat up a progressive Bernie Bro for the crime of carrying an American flag, like a bunch of left-ACTUAL-nazi risibly self-proclaimed "Antifa" goons did.:

Paul Welch came to the downtown protest Aug. 4 to let his political leanings be known.

With pride he clutched his U.S. flag as he moved among the crowd of like-thinking demonstrators.

Soon a group of black-clad anti-fascist protesters, also known as antifa, demanded he lose the flag, calling it a fascist symbol. Welch refused, and a tug-of-war ensued.

It ended with Welch taking a club to the back of the head, lying on the ground in a pool of his own blood.

Only Welch was not a Proud Boy, a Patriot Prayer supporter or among the other conservative activists who descended into the area that day, many from out of town.

He was one of hundreds of progressive Portlanders who had turned out to oppose the right-wing rally held at the Tom McCall Waterfront Park.

Epic Freudian slip...

Left wing kooks are scarier if you are paying attention. At least right wing kooks are not beating their own into submission - for the offense as grave as carrying a flag.

Eh, a paper mill I applied to work at, while waiting to begin my retraining (yay Trade Acts for requiring you to either be looking for work or actively being educated) actually had us do a battery of paper based IQ tests which, based on the graphics, were a relic from the 60s and 70s. Needless to say, I didn't get the job (WHEW!), and the paper mill eventually closed.

it has also brought with it a surge in narrowminded and shortsighted egotism that taints everything. As long as "I" am successful, nothing else matters - society, the environment, the next generation, they can all go and screw themselves, as long as I have what I want.

Created environmental protection. Donates more to charity. Has actually lowered CO2 emissions. I think you, like others, can't see the forest for the trees. There is a cost to everything and negotiating that cost is not shortsighted. Blindly accepting any cost is very narrow-minded.

I don't know why you and others think that the the narrow-minded and shortsighted egotism is unique to the US. We have seen that kind of human behavior everywhere that had nothing to do with the US or capitalism.

The White-Rhino isn't going extinct because of American superstition and shortsightedness. Or is it the fault of the US because the US traded with China creating wealth for the Chinese so they could afford that superstition? However, I do see Americans setting up some very successful environmental protection that flies in the face of "narrow-minded and shortsighted egotism". They even come from "Trump country that hates EPA regulation"! Unless Idaho is a liberal bastion I was unaware of that also voted to have "the right to hunt, fish, and trap".

The only difference is that the US values private property and views it as a right. If "I" am successful then my children will have a better life. My children are more important to me than you. If I am successful enough I can donate $40 million to save the environment when the government is too crippled by Civil War. Not every millionaire will do that just like not every government will either.

I do not fault the hunters of bushmeat to feed their families when that is their only choice. There are serious environmental and conservational problems with bushmeat but until those people can be successful to help their children then conservation is a lofty idea for the rich and fed. Most people would burn the Mona Lisa to feed their family. It's easy to say you wouldn't with a full belly.

Be cautious how you spread your complaint of contemptible human behavior when also bemoaning the most efficient means of resource distribution that created the most successful country that values private property. It seems rather shortsighted and narrow-minded.

It's time the US put tariffs on Microsoft products manufactured in China and the EU, and it is time to send H-1B workers home and give those jobs back to Americans.

https://www.oregonlive.com/sil...
" Microsoft was moving production to the same place it makes all other Surface products. ... Microsoft has previously said it makes its other Surface computers in China."

And, it's been going on for a long time:
https://gizmodo.com/5517137/mi...
"The conditions—supported by photographic, not just anecdotal evidence—sound downright horrendous:
  Workers are hired as "work study students" as young as 16 years of age
  They work extremely long shifts, typically "from 7:45 a.m. to 10:55 p.m," for $0.65/hr, less food deductions. (Actual wage: $0.52/hr.)
  As is common in large manufacturing operations in China, the workers live onsite:
        Fourteen workers share each primitive dorm room, sleeping on narrow double-level bunk beds. To "shower," workers fetch hot water in a small plastic bucket to take a sponge bath. Workers describe factory food as awful.
  Workers are kept from leaving campus, except during designated hours
  There are reports of sexual harassment of female workers by male security guards"

And, its been going on for years. Learn how NOT to employ Americans here in America:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

You think standing matters to ICE or Border Patrol?

How credulous can you be?

So far, doubleplusungood opinions can only get you fired from your job, ousted from company you founded, or get you arrested. Flying ban is only for those who happen to share a part of a name with a "person of interest".

But, worry not, a campaign of reeducation is underway. You have a teacher snowflake who demands to be called made-up pronouns (not merely the other of two genders) but other employees balk at that? The school gets to pay a $60k fine. And so on, so on.

The US, despite having a right-wing president, is going left to a ridiculous degree. But meanwhile, in some other countries the rightthink is different yet not-so-different. In Poland, we get all-out worship of "Cursed Soldiers", whose heroic deeds were alike that of Bury who didn't kill a single Nazi or Soviet but loved gathering villagers who happened to be Orthodox rather than Catholics into buildings, setting them on fire and shooting those who managed to get out.

Then, the rightthink in Islamic countries hasn't changed for 1439 years, consequences for disobeying it being well-known.

> Donate to the groups that support net neutrality.

I already do. It's called taxes.

Threats from who?
[Intel] was the largest corporate sponsor of new contributions to the Linux computer operating system, according to a report Wednesday morning from the Linux Foundation

Intel is a big part of that community.

They were the top corporate contributor in 2015 and 2016. Before that they were second to Redhat. Before that they were third to Redhat and Novell.

Replies to:
"Our feelings are not doing any financial or reputational damage to the Intel brand."
and to:
"... what are the geeks (such a small market that it can not be measured) going to do about it?"

It is common, I've observed, that technically-knowledgeable people believe they should not get involved with social issues. In fact, however, they have discussions like this one and have a huge amount of power.

What are the legal issues? Can you recommend Intel or AMD hardware without telling the managers of your company or your customers that the hardware is not secure? Could you go to prison for knowingly selling insecure hardware without informing the customers in a way that causes them to fully understand? Suppose a company loses millions of dollars because Intel hardware you recommended was found to be hackable, especially since that kind of vulnerability has already happened. Can you be found liable?

"Intel has been richly rewarded for implementing ME and with AMD implementing similar backdoors..."

Intel SHOULD be "richly rewarded" for that. "Implementing ME" was a good idea. The issue is that was done in a way that Intel has kept hidden, and in a way that customers who don't need that feature are not allowed to understand and cannot control.

It seems to me that the business side of Intel is not being managed well. What I know about Intel management is from talking with Intel employees, sometimes at conventions, sometimes at social events not connected with technology, visiting an Intel campus during an open house event, and from news stories.

Here is one example of what I have learned, from a 2013 news story:

Intel has been emitting fluoride for years without state knowledge, permit. (Sept. 24, 2013)

Quote from that story: "When Intel applied for D1X approval, the company considered its fluoride emissions insignificant and did not include those. It was only when the company applied for the new DEQ permit required by greenhouse gas regulations that it [Intel] requested a 6.4-tons-per-year fluoride emission limit."

Intel is putting 6.4 TONS EACH YEAR of fluoride compounds into the air around its plant! Does that seem to you to be good business management?

My understanding is that there are many areas of bad business management at Intel. The central technological group, however, seems to me to be well-managed. For example, in recent years Intel has released CPUs that provide the same computational power, but lower the electrical energy required. That achievement is good for all humans on the planet.

The issue is not NN but competition. We have an issue with monopolies because the government... local and state mostly grants exclusive franchise licenses to run cable to no more than two companies typically.

Nope. Still got it wrong, Karmashock? Why do you knowingly repeat something you admit, even in this post, that you recognize is false? Congress outlawed that over 20 years ago, in the Cable Television Consumer Protection and Competition Act of 1992 and the Telecommunications Act of 1996.

And in fact, many municipal and state codes specifically indicate that any license granted for use of public rights-of-way and easements must be non-exclusive.

that people presume to be surprised when abusive and monopolistic behavior occurs when you grant companies monopolies is baffling.

That you, an individual, mistate the problem, even when you've been repeatedly informed of the error you are making, is not at all baffling, you found your easy answer, and now you're simply refusing to reassess the problem and actually understand the situation.

You do not have the right to such ignorance.

And you don't have the right to willfull blindness.

Grant right of way access to poles and conduits for third party last mile ISPs and all this NN stuff becomes irrelevant.

Nope. You neglect to mention the most important part. You actually have to have the connections run, you can't just magically declare the problem solved, there actually needs to be provisioning.

Google is having a hard time running cable. That is how bad and how corrupt these franchise agreements are right now. And if google with all its resources is having a hard time then what chance does anyone else stand?

Google has actually gotten numerous franchise agreements, because, contrary to your initial false assertion, the issue was not exclusivity.

Whether or not Google is having a "hard time" because of "how bad" and "how corrupt" these franchise agreements are right now, is not something you've provably established either, but at least it's not blatantly false. So there is that. If you can't do anything else, maybe you should stick to claiming there's corruption instead.

Unfortunately, you'll still likely be ignoring some of the realities of the situation, so you shouldn't stop there, but expand your perceptions and seek more information.

Here some fool will say that such agreements are illegal. De Jura they are... De facto they're the law of the land. Try to run cable and see what I mean. You can't. Only former Bell Companies and TV Cable companies are running last mile cable. This isn't because other people don't want to run cable or can't afford to run cable or because there isn't a market. It is because if you try... you are denied.

Oh, so the braying fool who willfully cites a false reason from the beginning, presents a blustering defense. Why don't you refrain from a poor phrasing, and describe your problem without resorting to something you know is inaccurate? It'll actually improve your own position, rather than make you look like an obstreperous fool who can't manage to present his ideas without deliberat

Did your RTFA? Did you see his photograph? Caption: "I'm an engineer, not a doctor, damnit!" http://image.oregonlive.com/ho...

Yeah, but those guys were paid by big oil to do that.

You forgot about big tobacco and big pharma.

An interesting article on pot taxes has come to light which will upset many of the "holy than though" (sorry I find it pointless alluding to the "left' or "right"). Still, $85 million USD is not to be sneezed at especially when that money can be spent responsibly. Of course, I do think that the "don't drive when under the influence" rule still applies.

Still very rare in the US. But starting to get some use. Portland will get an 11 story CLT building.

http://www.oregonlive.com/busi...

You are trying to see areas in which I am wrong, instead of cooperating and trying to see how what I said could be correct.

Nothing I said was intended to be a complete analysis of Google management of the last few years. I agree that GMail is a wonderful contribution.

I'm studying how successful companies eventually fail. For me, it was painful to watch Hewlett-Packard destroy itself. One article: How Hewlett-Packard lost its way (May 8, 2012).

Another example: Tektronix was once a wonderful leader in electronic measuring devices. Now: Tektronix, five years after sale to Danaher, continues to shed jobs and struggle (Dec. 08, 2012).

Google allowed Android cell phone company customers to prevent installation of Android updates. That has been extraordinarily destructive. There are many complaints about Google selling services that allow it to track web site visitors. There are smaller failures that indicate there has been insufficient oversight by Google management.

The fact that Google has succeeded very nicely in some areas does not take away from a study of the scary self-defeat.

While its extremely non-PC to suggest this, but illegal immigration has a role here. The study was done in Texas (a border state). While parents should vaccinate their children, herd immunity should prevent any large-scale outbreaks unless there is an injection of sick people who are acting as carriers.

A lot of outbreaks are also happening in West Coast states (where you have enclaves of non-immunized children due parents' belief in misinformation) where non-immunized foreigners are visiting and spread diseases that are otherwise no longer endemic in the US. Oregon is a good example.

Well, since you mentioned it ... Bundy ranch wasn't a riot. It was the Government vs Ranchers (regardless of your view of the subject). wasn't particularly violent.

I called it violence, whatever you call it, you ignored it.

Because they're your sort of people, and you don't mind what they do.

Same with the militia violence.

And in that case, you missed Branch Davidian Compound that actually was.

Did you think my list was meant to be exhaustive? Hardly. I didn't mention the attacks by such fine entities as the Old Order, Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph or the Huttaree.

Malheur standoff (fixed spelling) was violent, but the only violence was caused by the government in an ambush.

Sure man, they weren't threatening violence and trespassing.

What else you going to say? They was good boys, never meaning no harm? But they keep showing their hands, and not their face on TV?

Good Example.

Driving away from police and waving a gun? Yeah, I'll call that violent.

Dylan Roof was a punk kid with a troubled background with mental illness who became (or always was) a racist prick. I didn't forget him, it was an odd case all the way around.

Racist gets a gun. Decides to shoot people. You blame his troubled background and dismiss it as an odd case. And no, I didn't say you forgot him. I said you ignored him. Ignoring and forgetting are two different things.

Benjamin McDowell didn't though.

You might as well pointed out the Dallas shooting then too.

Or the Houston one. No wait, that's police brutality. Another serious problem that you don't want to admit exists.

You want to ignore it, and frenetically rage at your preferred target, BLM. You love that form of identity politics, don't you?

Robert Doggart wasn't violent, because unlike San Bernadino, people reported him and he was arrested before he could do anything because he was suspicious.

Plots violence. Is on tape actually plotting violence. Archangel Michael claims he wasn't violent.

You should probably tell the judge who sentenced him to 20 years.

I say unlike, because people in SB saw suspicious activity and failed to report it for fearing to be "Islamophobic".

Pfft. Enrique Marquez Jr. was not going to report them, nor the other participants in that sham marriage. Nothing to do with fears about being Islamophobic at all. You might as well claim that Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez's family didn't report him because they didn't want to be thought Islamophobic.

Las Vegas Strip Shooting, a hispanic man shot two killing one. No motive had been determined for the shooting, although authorities ruled out any link to terrorism.

Nope, Jerad and Amanda Miller were not Hispanic(not even White Hispanic), and they killed 3 other people. And their motives were quite clearly demonstrated, what with their conduct, if the use of the Gadsen Flag wasn't enough for you.

Sorry, but they're right-wing through and through. And you identify with them. You just won't admit to it.

So, of the five events you listed, two or three are possibly "ri

If, by sabotage, you mean they report what he says and does, then I concede the point

No, by "sabotage" I mean publication of falsehoods and innuendo, which, without stating an accusation, masterfully create a perception of the impeachment-worthy "high crimes and misdemeanors" having already been committed by the President.

he should stop giving them so much fodder.

What "fodder" did he give anybody to accuse him of treason? None — but for months we were talking about it... Indeed, Comey, of all people, knew perfectly well, the charges of "treason" are so baseless, there is not even an investigation about them — but still maneuvered to have a special prosecutor appointed to investigate something — even though no one can even state a coherent accusation, much less prove anything.

That is done to sabotage his agenda — there is no other plausible explanation — an undeniable and objective fact...

Oracle has already been practicing, and is perfectly poised to swallow gigatons of money while providing crap software to the medical insurance industry.

Oracle wants you to use cloudy thinking?

Oracle Effectively Doubles Licence Fees To Run Its Stuff in AWS.

Oracle profit, software license growth decline

Oracle Begins Aggressively Pursuing Java Licensing Fees

Judge Blasts Oracle's Attempt To Overturn Pro-Google Jury Verdict

Oregon settles bitter legal fight with Oracle for $100 million

Oregon Reaches $100 Million Settlement With Oracle

If you cannot maintain the solution locally, it's the wrong solution.

This is a marvelous opinion, but the validity of this has been disproven by existing systems so often. Even "simple" VHF voice systems can be complex enough to be outside the scope of local maintenance. Are you arguing that a simple VHF voice solution is the wrong solution to providing local voice communications?

Unless it's under local control it's going to be locally useless to first responders and they won't bother to spend their money on equipment that can use it.

That is utter nonsense, and disproven by existing systems. Just one example, in Oregon there is something called OWIN (or was called that) that many agencies have bought into. It is hardly useless. And the National Interoperability channels are under NATIONAL control and they are hardly useless.

IF it's nothing more than another cell phone network, what's the point of building it?

Good thing it isn't just "another cell phone network." If you don't know what it is, please don't waste our time telling us how it won't work.

I urge you to do some thinking about what a local emergency looks like and what kinds of infrastructure might not survive.

I urge you to do some thinking about what kinds of local events classify as emergencies before you assume what infrastructure will and won't "survive". I see no reason why a fire at a chemical plant would do anything to take out the local cell system or a network based there. You're stuck thinking of "major disaster" when major disasters are rare, and many local events can benefit from having adequate data communications.

THINK

I find such arguments to be particularly insulting, as if only YOU have the ability to THINK of what might happen. Sorry, but there has been a lot of thinking about such things, and not every likely scenario has all the cellphone towers falling down.

It you have to call back to a suburb of Washington DC to make a change to the infrastructure to solve a local problem,

You truly have no idea what FirstNet is. Nobody has to call back to "a suburb of Washington DC" to use it. Or to get a COW to fill in coverage.

Really, how many documented cases of speakers being prevented can you provide? How many injuries? How many hospitalizations?

Here are a few:

(1) Berkeley riots, which injured people, and caused the university to cancel a speech by Milo Yiannopoulos:

The university insists that it made elaborate preparations for protests. It canceled the speech only after what it called an “unprecedented” invasion of the campus by “more than 100 armed individuals clad all in black” who engaged in violent, destructive behavior. They hurled metal barricades, threw Molotov cocktails and smashed windows at the student union.

The event was cancelled after left-wing rioters, who the university claim were not students, smashed ATMs and bank windows, looted a Starbucks, beat Trump supporters, pepper sprayed innocent individuals, set fires in the street, and sprayed the words “Kill Trump” on storefronts.

Video was posted showing violent leftists chasing and beating a man with sticks.
The man appears unconscious in the street as they beat him.

(2) A speech at Middlebury College was severely disrupted by protesters. After the speech, when the speaker and Professor Allison Stanger left, they were attacked, and Prof. Stnager's neck was injured:

Then I went onstage, got halfway through my first sentence, and the uproar began.

First came a shouted recitation in unison of what I am told is a piece by James Baldwin. I couldn’t follow the words. That took a few minutes. Then came the chanting.
. . .
This went on for about twenty minutes.
. . .
Professor Stanger and I were led out of the hall to the improvised studio.
. . .
Then there was the sound of shouting outside, followed by loud banging on the wall of the building. . . . Then a fire alarm went off, which was harder to compete with.
. . .
We finished around 6:45 and prepared to leave the building . . . I didn’t see it happen, but someone grabbed Allison’s hair just as someone else shoved her from another direction, damaging muscles, tendons, and fascia in her neck.

There, several masked protesters, who were believed to be outside agitators, began pushing and shoving Mr. Murray and Ms. Stanger, Mr. Burger said. “Someone grabbed Allison’s hair and twisted her neck,” he said. . . . After the two got into a car, Mr. Burger said, protesters pounded on it, rocked it back and forth, and jumped onto the hood. Ms. Stanger later went to a hospital, where she was put in a neck brace.

(3) About 600 people protested the immigration ban at the Portland Airport. There was a 4-person counter-protest:

One of the counter-demonstrators was assaulted just after 5 p.m., Port of Portland spokesman Steve Johnson said.

Grant Chisholm, 39 of Portland told The Oregonian/Oregonlive that he was at the airport with three other members of the group Bible Believers for a counter-protest when a Trump opponent hit him in the head three times with something metallic. Chisholm dropped and drifted in and out of unconsciousness, he said, while vomiting a

If that had happened here my coworker would be in the office the next day with a broken nose and the other guy would be in court on an assault charge.

Are you sure of that? I just did a Google search on "killed by punch" and got a lot of hits. Here's an interesting article that came up:
http://www.oregonlive.com/port...
That's an article on people killed with a single punch, I'm certain many more were killed with multiple blows. This also ignores the possibility of being killed by a stabbing, poisoning, club, run over by a car, etc.

Given recent events in Europe, with so many people getting killed by being run over and stabbed, I don't think Europeans have any standing to be smug about their gun laws.

What many people forget outside the USA is that the USA is a federation, each state has their own gun laws. Some cities even have stricter laws than the state due to "home rule" provisions in law. Excellent examples of this is Chicago, Illinois and District of Columbia, they have very strict gun laws but also the highest murder rates in the states.

What is also interesting is that Kansas (where the murder occurred) and Missouri (where the suspect was arrested) recently repealed the laws that required a permit to carry a concealed weapon by those that may lawfully possess one. I have to ask, was the suspect prohibited from possessing a weapon? Being drunk, an addict (including addiction to alcohol), would make one prohibited from possessing a firearm. The Kansas City Star article states the suspect may have been diagnosed with PTSD, that would also make a person prohibited from touching a gun.

Here's the thing, murder is illegal and yet it happened. I have a sneaking feeling that this suspect had a history of criminal behavior, a history of mental illness, and therefore was prohibited from touching a firearm. If that is true then the laws against him possessing the firearm were broke as well. Theft is also illegal and guns used in crime tend to be stolen. Any one want to bet that the suspect bought the gun at a licensed gun shop?

On second thought I'm not going to get on that, too many people have bought guns by passing a background check only to develop mental issues later. Many of which go on shooting sprees in "gun free zones" because even the mentally deranged know that unarmed people are at a disadvantage. Any bets that Garmin has a policy against carrying a sidearm on their grounds? If so then the victims were disarmed by company policy while the suspect broke that law as well.

Making insane laws to keep the insane from doing insane acts of violence is itself insane.

"Oracle ... gouging their clients."

One example of Oracle's gouging, two stories:

Oregon settles bitter legal fight with Oracle for $100 million

Oregon Reaches $100 Million Settlement With Oracle

How it happens: Managers with no technical knowledge believe they can buy contracts for technology development. Technology companies know they can say anything and it will usually be accepted.

Another example of an ignorant manager assuming it is possible to manage technology without knowing anything about technology: Price for Failed Obamacare Website: $394 Million and Counting.

Former U.S. President Barack Obama often acts like a knowledgeable leader even when the depth of his knowledge is extremely shallow.

Actually, it's rather ironic. You see, we're often told about the Paradox of Tolerance formulated by Karl Popper, essentially that intolerance is the one thing one cannot tolerate. However, how does one decide what "intolerance" is and by what right is it suppressed? Well, just look at what Popper wrote:

In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols.

From this we can see that the moral justification is based on dealing with those who "answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols." So it's ultimately justified by means of the right of self-defense and anyone using Popper to justify going on the attack has it completely backwards. It's a shield, not a sword.

Instead, it should properly be used against the intolerance and criminal behavior of those particular individual people who promote or are involved in things like large riots or attacking and nearly killing an old man in the street (as well as stealing his car) after a fender-bender when they believed he supported the other political party.

Julian Assange is a KGB agent, on a mission to elect Donald Trump.

Wait, Snowden — hiding in Russia is a hero for his exposes, but Assange — hiding in London — is a "KGB agent" for his?..

Only releases information that is useful to russia.

The only known instance of an American politician covertly seeking Russian help in exchange for favorable policy changes is that of Ted Kennedy (struggling against Ronald Reagan) — the Democratic "lion" and otherwise a hero of everything Progressive.

Secretary Clinton lied yesterday, when she claimed, Trump is the first to be accused of collaborating with Russia. And, while accusations against Trump are completely unsubstantiated, those against Kennedy are backed by the KGB's archives...

The BEST (or worst) "fear mongering" I saw was some made-for TV movie that had a nuclear reactor that was overheating...and the sub-plot ended with several people INSIDE the control rod room when the water flooded it (which cooled it down and saved the day). I also remember Gary North's website (which is now hawking wealth management) which constantly had a mix of fear-mongering, prepper stuff, and potential economic fallouts.

I'm guessing your talking about the Year 2038 issue "coming up". As an interesting side note, you should check out the John Titor time-travel stuff surrounding it. Someone I know actually patented the time travel device! Well, filed an application for a patent, I don't know if it was granted. IMHO, the guy that did it is a psychopath and is currently in prison. .

"The article about fluoride emissions is short on information."

These are the chemicals Intel emits, listed on page 28 of the report linked below: Vinyl acetate, Ethyl benzene, Xylenes (mixed), Sulfuric acid, Nitric acid, Fluorides, Hydrogen Fluoride, Perchloroethylene {Tetrachloroethene}, and Ethylene glycol monobutyl ether.

The Portland metropolitan area doesn't have good news reporting. The Oregonian newspaper is poorly managed, in my opinion. The only Oregonian reporter for technology issues is Mike Rogoway. He apparently has almost no technical knowledge.

This Oregonian article gives some information: Intel secures air quality permit, two years after fluoride gaffe derailed it. Intel emitting poisonous compounds was not a "gaffe", it was extremely destructive dishonesty.

That article links to an Intel Health Risk Report (PDF file), but I don't see anything showing the amounts of the chemicals emitted.

It seems to me that Intel has handled its business in an extremely destructive and self-destructive manner. Intel's plants should not be allowed to emit poisons.

Apparently there is a continuing intention to avoid rather than resolve the many issues. Intel is by far the biggest employer in the area. Avoiding effective disclosure and avoiding actually fixing the emission problems seems to be helped by government incompetence and possibly government corruption.

You missed the point. The point is that there is an enormous depth of dislike for what Seattle has become. Only a few of those commenting are being completely logical. If they were logical, they would move away from Seattle.

Can you find other web sites and articles about people who dislike their city? I'd like to see them.

Consider the U.S. metropolitan area centered on Portland, Oregon:

Portland has become unlivable. There are traffic jams all day. The air is poisonous. Things About Portland That Suck

Intel has been emitting fluoride for years without state knowledge, permit. Quote: "When Intel applied for D1X approval, the company considered its fluoride emissions insignificant and did not include those. It was only when the company applied for the new DEQ permit required by greenhouse gas regulations that it requested a 6.4-tons-per-year fluoride emission limit. " 6.4-tons-per-year!!!

Oregon warns home gardeners, Portland leaders lash out at state pollution response. Quote: "Regulators have known for years that Portland has high levels of the heavy metal cadmium in the air, but didn't know until 2015 what the likely sources were." Another quote: "The department's own air monitoring found arsenic levels were 159 times higher than the state's safety goal in Southeast Portland and cadmium levels were 49 times higher."

Portland pollution: How does it affect you? Quote: "Tests detected cadmium and arsenic near Bullseye Glass in Southeast Portland and Uroboros Glass in North Portland. Superheating the metals, which are used to add color to glass, can send small particles up smokestacks and into surrounding air." The next paragraph: "The state also found that another carcinogen, hexavalent chromium, was used by the two plants."

Portland, Oregon is no longer a livable city in other ways. Portland city management is allowing the construction of large buildings with no parking! One story: New Portland apartment buildings with no parking have neighbors worried about congested streets.

You missed the point. The point is that there is an enormous depth of dislike for what Seattle has become. Only a few of those commenting are being completely logical. If they were logical, they would move away from Seattle.

Can you find other web sites and articles about people who dislike their city? I'd like to see them.

Consider the U.S. metropolitan area centered on Portland, Oregon:

Portland has become unlivable. There are traffic jams all day. The air is poisonous. Things About Portland That Suck

Intel has been emitting fluoride for years without state knowledge, permit. Quote: "When Intel applied for D1X approval, the company considered its fluoride emissions insignificant and did not include those. It was only when the company applied for the new DEQ permit required by greenhouse gas regulations that it requested a 6.4-tons-per-year fluoride emission limit. " 6.4-tons-per-year!!!

Oregon warns home gardeners, Portland leaders lash out at state pollution response. Quote: "Regulators have known for years that Portland has high levels of the heavy metal cadmium in the air, but didn't know until 2015 what the likely sources were." Another quote: "The department's own air monitoring found arsenic levels were 159 times higher than the state's safety goal in Southeast Portland and cadmium levels were 49 times higher."

Portland pollution: How does it affect you? Quote: "Tests detected cadmium and arsenic near Bullseye Glass in Southeast Portland and Uroboros Glass in North Portland. Superheating the metals, which are used to add color to glass, can send small particles up smokestacks and into surrounding air." The next paragraph: "The state also found that another carcinogen, hexavalent chromium, was used by the two plants."

Portland, Oregon is no longer a livable city in other ways. Portland city management is allowing the construction of large buildings with no parking! One story: New Portland apartment buildings with no parking have neighbors worried about congested streets.

You missed the point. The point is that there is an enormous depth of dislike for what Seattle has become. Only a few of those commenting are being completely logical. If they were logical, they would move away from Seattle.

Can you find other web sites and articles about people who dislike their city? I'd like to see them.

Consider the U.S. metropolitan area centered on Portland, Oregon:

Portland has become unlivable. There are traffic jams all day. The air is poisonous. Things About Portland That Suck

Intel has been emitting fluoride for years without state knowledge, permit. Quote: "When Intel applied for D1X approval, the company considered its fluoride emissions insignificant and did not include those. It was only when the company applied for the new DEQ permit required by greenhouse gas regulations that it requested a 6.4-tons-per-year fluoride emission limit. " 6.4-tons-per-year!!!

Oregon warns home gardeners, Portland leaders lash out at state pollution response. Quote: "Regulators have known for years that Portland has high levels of the heavy metal cadmium in the air, but didn't know until 2015 what the likely sources were." Another quote: "The department's own air monitoring found arsenic levels were 159 times higher than the state's safety goal in Southeast Portland and cadmium levels were 49 times higher."

Portland pollution: How does it affect you? Quote: "Tests detected cadmium and arsenic near Bullseye Glass in Southeast Portland and Uroboros Glass in North Portland. Superheating the metals, which are used to add color to glass, can send small particles up smokestacks and into surrounding air." The next paragraph: "The state also found that another carcinogen, hexavalent chromium, was used by the two plants."

Portland, Oregon is no longer a livable city in other ways. Portland city management is allowing the construction of large buildings with no parking! One story: New Portland apartment buildings with no parking have neighbors worried about congested streets.

You missed the point. The point is that there is an enormous depth of dislike for what Seattle has become. Only a few of those commenting are being completely logical. If they were logical, they would move away from Seattle.

Can you find other web sites and articles about people who dislike their city? I'd like to see them.

Consider the U.S. metropolitan area centered on Portland, Oregon:

Portland has become unlivable. There are traffic jams all day. The air is poisonous. Things About Portland That Suck

Intel has been emitting fluoride for years without state knowledge, permit. Quote: "When Intel applied for D1X approval, the company considered its fluoride emissions insignificant and did not include those. It was only when the company applied for the new DEQ permit required by greenhouse gas regulations that it requested a 6.4-tons-per-year fluoride emission limit. " 6.4-tons-per-year!!!

Oregon warns home gardeners, Portland leaders lash out at state pollution response. Quote: "Regulators have known for years that Portland has high levels of the heavy metal cadmium in the air, but didn't know until 2015 what the likely sources were." Another quote: "The department's own air monitoring found arsenic levels were 159 times higher than the state's safety goal in Southeast Portland and cadmium levels were 49 times higher."

Portland pollution: How does it affect you? Quote: "Tests detected cadmium and arsenic near Bullseye Glass in Southeast Portland and Uroboros Glass in North Portland. Superheating the metals, which are used to add color to glass, can send small particles up smokestacks and into surrounding air." The next paragraph: "The state also found that another carcinogen, hexavalent chromium, was used by the two plants."

Portland, Oregon is no longer a livable city in other ways. Portland city management is allowing the construction of large buildings with no parking! One story: New Portland apartment buildings with no parking have neighbors worried about congested streets.

As a regular commuter of TriMet, your experience is sorely lacking diversity. I use TriMet on a regular basis. I don't have a second car, I don't pay for parking, and my pass is $50 for the entire year -- the rest is subsidized by my employer. And I still want to avoid it like the plague. I'll focus on the technical issues and not even politics or the union-management relationship.

Using LMGTFY because it's convenient and you can readily see what the link is before you click it, here's a search of @trimet's Twitter account for "Steel Bridge." It's chock full of signal or switch problems on that bridge. And those impact my commute regularly. They're working on improvements, but not until July 2017. None of the other issues cause as many problems as that Steel Bridge. It should have a higher priority.

Customer service is available 8-5 M-F, excluding holidays. At the end of the morning rush and right as evening rush is starting.

Their on-time performance is steadily declining. March 9 presentation.. I've heard by rumor -- looking at other Twitter accounts -- that when they make these reports they define "on time" as being within 20 minutes. If that's true and those numbers are still that bad, they've got a massive problem. Their published adjustment is by 3 minutes either direction. Their published "Frequent Service" standard is 15 minutes. So if that's true, MAX is missing a cycle of "Frequent Service" almost 1 in every 4 times.

They steal on-time, in-service buses to handle MAX failures, impacting bus riders. I've missed appointments I should have made handily. And I'm not the only one. Page through the contingent of complaints to @trimet to see what a rider's day is like. There are two other accounts, unaffiliated, run by volunteers, that are really what @trimet ought to be -- @trimetscanner and @unTrimetAlerts. I rely on these.

Last year was bad enough that I continued paying my ~$5/mo pass and STILL looked to friends, family, acquaintances to get me to/from work when I could. The drive in, despite increased chance of variability due to traffic conditions, was actually pretty regular.

Tl;dr: you can't cherry-pick your trips and say MAX is reliable.. It's not.

Portland is no longer a liveable city. There are 2 reasons: 1) The air is poisonous, much worse than before. The news stories linked below don't discuss all the issues. 2) During all hours of the day there are terrible traffic jams.

The problem with the air is more than pollution, the air is poisonous:

Intel has been emitting fluoride for years without state knowledge, permit. Quote: "When Intel applied for D1X approval, the company considered its fluoride emissions insignificant and did not include those. It was only when the company applied for the new DEQ permit required by greenhouse gas regulations that it requested a 6.4-tons-per-year fluoride emission limit. " 6.4-tons-per-year!!!

Oregon warns home gardeners, Portland leaders lash out at state pollution response. Quote: "Regulators have known for years that Portland has high levels of the heavy metal cadmium in the air, but didn't know until 2015 what the likely sources were." Another quote: "The department's own air monitoring found arsenic levels were 159 times higher than the state's safety goal in Southeast Portland and cadmium levels were 49 times higher."

Portland pollution: How does it affect you? Quote: "Tests detected cadmium and arsenic near Bullseye Glass in Southeast Portland and Uroboros Glass in North Portland. Superheating the metals, which are used to add color to glass, can send small particles up smokestacks and into surrounding air." The next paragraph: "The state also found that another carcinogen, hexavalent chromium, was used by the two plants."

There are now traffic jams most of the day. Yet Portland city management is allowing the construction of large buildings with no parking! One story: New Portland apartment buildings with no parking have neighbors worried about congested streets.

Portland is no longer a liveable city. There are 2 reasons: 1) The air is poisonous, much worse than before. The news stories linked below don't discuss all the issues. 2) During all hours of the day there are terrible traffic jams.

The problem with the air is more than pollution, the air is poisonous:

Intel has been emitting fluoride for years without state knowledge, permit. Quote: "When Intel applied for D1X approval, the company considered its fluoride emissions insignificant and did not include those. It was only when the company applied for the new DEQ permit required by greenhouse gas regulations that it requested a 6.4-tons-per-year fluoride emission limit. " 6.4-tons-per-year!!!

Oregon warns home gardeners, Portland leaders lash out at state pollution response. Quote: "Regulators have known for years that Portland has high levels of the heavy metal cadmium in the air, but didn't know until 2015 what the likely sources were." Another quote: "The department's own air monitoring found arsenic levels were 159 times higher than the state's safety goal in Southeast Portland and cadmium levels were 49 times higher."

Portland pollution: How does it affect you? Quote: "Tests detected cadmium and arsenic near Bullseye Glass in Southeast Portland and Uroboros Glass in North Portland. Superheating the metals, which are used to add color to glass, can send small particles up smokestacks and into surrounding air." The next paragraph: "The state also found that another carcinogen, hexavalent chromium, was used by the two plants."

There are now traffic jams most of the day. Yet Portland city management is allowing the construction of large buildings with no parking! One story: New Portland apartment buildings with no parking have neighbors worried about congested streets.

Portland is no longer a liveable city. There are 2 reasons: 1) The air is poisonous, much worse than before. The news stories linked below don't discuss all the issues. 2) During all hours of the day there are terrible traffic jams.

The problem with the air is more than pollution, the air is poisonous:

Intel has been emitting fluoride for years without state knowledge, permit. Quote: "When Intel applied for D1X approval, the company considered its fluoride emissions insignificant and did not include those. It was only when the company applied for the new DEQ permit required by greenhouse gas regulations that it requested a 6.4-tons-per-year fluoride emission limit. " 6.4-tons-per-year!!!

Oregon warns home gardeners, Portland leaders lash out at state pollution response. Quote: "Regulators have known for years that Portland has high levels of the heavy metal cadmium in the air, but didn't know until 2015 what the likely sources were." Another quote: "The department's own air monitoring found arsenic levels were 159 times higher than the state's safety goal in Southeast Portland and cadmium levels were 49 times higher."

Portland pollution: How does it affect you? Quote: "Tests detected cadmium and arsenic near Bullseye Glass in Southeast Portland and Uroboros Glass in North Portland. Superheating the metals, which are used to add color to glass, can send small particles up smokestacks and into surrounding air." The next paragraph: "The state also found that another carcinogen, hexavalent chromium, was used by the two plants."

There are now traffic jams most of the day. Yet Portland city management is allowing the construction of large buildings with no parking! One story: New Portland apartment buildings with no parking have neighbors worried about congested streets.

Portland is no longer a liveable city. There are 2 reasons: 1) The air is poisonous, much worse than before. The news stories linked below don't discuss all the issues. 2) During all hours of the day there are terrible traffic jams.

The problem with the air is more than pollution, the air is poisonous:

Intel has been emitting fluoride for years without state knowledge, permit. Quote: "When Intel applied for D1X approval, the company considered its fluoride emissions insignificant and did not include those. It was only when the company applied for the new DEQ permit required by greenhouse gas regulations that it requested a 6.4-tons-per-year fluoride emission limit. " 6.4-tons-per-year!!!

Oregon warns home gardeners, Portland leaders lash out at state pollution response. Quote: "Regulators have known for years that Portland has high levels of the heavy metal cadmium in the air, but didn't know until 2015 what the likely sources were." Another quote: "The department's own air monitoring found arsenic levels were 159 times higher than the state's safety goal in Southeast Portland and cadmium levels were 49 times higher."

Portland pollution: How does it affect you? Quote: "Tests detected cadmium and arsenic near Bullseye Glass in Southeast Portland and Uroboros Glass in North Portland. Superheating the metals, which are used to add color to glass, can send small particles up smokestacks and into surrounding air." The next paragraph: "The state also found that another carcinogen, hexavalent chromium, was used by the two plants."

There are now traffic jams most of the day. Yet Portland city management is allowing the construction of large buildings with no parking! One story: New Portland apartment buildings with no parking have neighbors worried about congested streets.

Rio suffers from insufficient city management. Improvements that should have been done 50 years ago haven't been done. People in the U.S. often don't like dealing with details. Brazilians, in general, are even more intense about not liking details. So things don't get done.

To get a more balanced view, consider the U.S. metropolitan area centered on Portland, Oregon:

Intel has been emitting fluoride for years without state knowledge, permit. Quote: "When Intel applied for D1X approval, the company considered its fluoride emissions insignificant and did not include those. It was only when the company applied for the new DEQ permit required by greenhouse gas regulations that it requested a 6.4-tons-per-year fluoride emission limit. " 6.4-tons-per-year!!!

Oregon warns home gardeners, Portland leaders lash out at state pollution response. Quote: "Regulators have known for years that Portland has high levels of the heavy metal cadmium in the air, but didn't know until 2015 what the likely sources were." Another quote: "The department's own air monitoring found arsenic levels were 159 times higher than the state's safety goal in Southeast Portland and cadmium levels were 49 times higher."

Portland pollution: How does it affect you? Quote: "Tests detected cadmium and arsenic near Bullseye Glass in Southeast Portland and Uroboros Glass in North Portland. Superheating the metals, which are used to add color to glass, can send small particles up smokestacks and into surrounding air." The next paragraph: "The state also found that another carcinogen, hexavalent chromium, was used by the two plants."

Portland, Oregon is no longer a livable city in other ways. There are now traffic jams most of the day. Yet Portland city management is allowing the construction of large buildings with no parking! One story: New Portland apartment buildings with no parking have neighbors worried about congested streets.

The stories about Portland help give a more balanced view of the poor city management in Rio.

I have lived in Brazil a total of about 3 years. When the 2008 financial crash occurred in the U.S., Brazilian newspaper writers were assigned to write stories about how the crash affected Brazil. The writers seemed to put a lot of effort into finding stories about bad effects, but they never seemed to find anything particularly bad. Why? Brazil has better banking laws and the laws were followed.

The U.S. financial system continues to be corrupt. For example, see this story about Goldman Sachs: The Great American Bubble Machine.

Rio suffers from insufficient city management. Improvements that should have been done 50 years ago haven't been done. People in the U.S. often don't like dealing with details. Brazilians, in general, are even more intense about not liking details. So things don't get done.

To get a more balanced view, consider the U.S. metropolitan area centered on Portland, Oregon:

Intel has been emitting fluoride for years without state knowledge, permit. Quote: "When Intel applied for D1X approval, the company considered its fluoride emissions insignificant and did not include those. It was only when the company applied for the new DEQ permit required by greenhouse gas regulations that it requested a 6.4-tons-per-year fluoride emission limit. " 6.4-tons-per-year!!!

Oregon warns home gardeners, Portland leaders lash out at state pollution response. Quote: "Regulators have known for years that Portland has high levels of the heavy metal cadmium in the air, but didn't know until 2015 what the likely sources were." Another quote: "The department's own air monitoring found arsenic levels were 159 times higher than the state's safety goal in Southeast Portland and cadmium levels were 49 times higher."

Portland pollution: How does it affect you? Quote: "Tests detected cadmium and arsenic near Bullseye Glass in Southeast Portland and Uroboros Glass in North Portland. Superheating the metals, which are used to add color to glass, can send small particles up smokestacks and into surrounding air." The next paragraph: "The state also found that another carcinogen, hexavalent chromium, was used by the two plants."

Portland, Oregon is no longer a livable city in other ways. There are now traffic jams most of the day. Yet Portland city management is allowing the construction of large buildings with no parking! One story: New Portland apartment buildings with no parking have neighbors worried about congested streets.

The stories about Portland help give a more balanced view of the poor city management in Rio.

I have lived in Brazil a total of about 3 years. When the 2008 financial crash occurred in the U.S., Brazilian newspaper writers were assigned to write stories about how the crash affected Brazil. The writers seemed to put a lot of effort into finding stories about bad effects, but they never seemed to find anything particularly bad. Why? Brazil has better banking laws and the laws were followed.

The U.S. financial system continues to be corrupt. For example, see this story about Goldman Sachs: The Great American Bubble Machine.

Rio suffers from insufficient city management. Improvements that should have been done 50 years ago haven't been done. People in the U.S. often don't like dealing with details. Brazilians, in general, are even more intense about not liking details. So things don't get done.

To get a more balanced view, consider the U.S. metropolitan area centered on Portland, Oregon:

Intel has been emitting fluoride for years without state knowledge, permit. Quote: "When Intel applied for D1X approval, the company considered its fluoride emissions insignificant and did not include those. It was only when the company applied for the new DEQ permit required by greenhouse gas regulations that it requested a 6.4-tons-per-year fluoride emission limit. " 6.4-tons-per-year!!!

Oregon warns home gardeners, Portland leaders lash out at state pollution response. Quote: "Regulators have known for years that Portland has high levels of the heavy metal cadmium in the air, but didn't know until 2015 what the likely sources were." Another quote: "The department's own air monitoring found arsenic levels were 159 times higher than the state's safety goal in Southeast Portland and cadmium levels were 49 times higher."

Portland pollution: How does it affect you? Quote: "Tests detected cadmium and arsenic near Bullseye Glass in Southeast Portland and Uroboros Glass in North Portland. Superheating the metals, which are used to add color to glass, can send small particles up smokestacks and into surrounding air." The next paragraph: "The state also found that another carcinogen, hexavalent chromium, was used by the two plants."

Portland, Oregon is no longer a livable city in other ways. There are now traffic jams most of the day. Yet Portland city management is allowing the construction of large buildings with no parking! One story: New Portland apartment buildings with no parking have neighbors worried about congested streets.

The stories about Portland help give a more balanced view of the poor city management in Rio.

I have lived in Brazil a total of about 3 years. When the 2008 financial crash occurred in the U.S., Brazilian newspaper writers were assigned to write stories about how the crash affected Brazil. The writers seemed to put a lot of effort into finding stories about bad effects, but they never seemed to find anything particularly bad. Why? Brazil has better banking laws and the laws were followed.

The U.S. financial system continues to be corrupt. For example, see this story about Goldman Sachs: The Great American Bubble Machine.

Rio suffers from insufficient city management. Improvements that should have been done 50 years ago haven't been done. People in the U.S. often don't like dealing with details. Brazilians, in general, are even more intense about not liking details. So things don't get done.

To get a more balanced view, consider the U.S. metropolitan area centered on Portland, Oregon:

Intel has been emitting fluoride for years without state knowledge, permit. Quote: "When Intel applied for D1X approval, the company considered its fluoride emissions insignificant and did not include those. It was only when the company applied for the new DEQ permit required by greenhouse gas regulations that it requested a 6.4-tons-per-year fluoride emission limit. " 6.4-tons-per-year!!!

Oregon warns home gardeners, Portland leaders lash out at state pollution response. Quote: "Regulators have known for years that Portland has high levels of the heavy metal cadmium in the air, but didn't know until 2015 what the likely sources were." Another quote: "The department's own air monitoring found arsenic levels were 159 times higher than the state's safety goal in Southeast Portland and cadmium levels were 49 times higher."

Portland pollution: How does it affect you? Quote: "Tests detected cadmium and arsenic near Bullseye Glass in Southeast Portland and Uroboros Glass in North Portland. Superheating the metals, which are used to add color to glass, can send small particles up smokestacks and into surrounding air." The next paragraph: "The state also found that another carcinogen, hexavalent chromium, was used by the two plants."

Portland, Oregon is no longer a livable city in other ways. There are now traffic jams most of the day. Yet Portland city management is allowing the construction of large buildings with no parking! One story: New Portland apartment buildings with no parking have neighbors worried about congested streets.

The stories about Portland help give a more balanced view of the poor city management in Rio.

I have lived in Brazil a total of about 3 years. When the 2008 financial crash occurred in the U.S., Brazilian newspaper writers were assigned to write stories about how the crash affected Brazil. The writers seemed to put a lot of effort into finding stories about bad effects, but they never seemed to find anything particularly bad. Why? Brazil has better banking laws and the laws were followed.

The U.S. financial system continues to be corrupt. For example, see this story about Goldman Sachs: The Great American Bubble Machine.

Here's a newspaper story on it. I'm not sure the state has the list posted online yet, I haven't been able to find it.

What a fine example of the effectiveness of the propaganda networks. Or have you forgot to add sarcasm tags?

Sorry, Dude, but these guys make it entirely clear all on their own.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

waste, which has never been handled well

We built a perfectly good, and safe, and vast long-term waste sequestration facility inside Yucca Mountain. It was never put into use thanks to brain-dead Nevada politicians. Never mind that it's not even in anyone's back yard.

You mean the Umpqua Community College shooting? Where the gun free zone resulted in lots of dead? http://www.oregonlive.com/educ... Care to try again?

The fact that most gun owners are responsible is true but irrelevant. The problem is that some people ARE killers and we can't tell who they are in most cases prior to them putting bullets into people.... and groups like the NRA fight even the most reasonable efforts to contain the problem tooth and nail.

The fact that you see no contradiction between the opening and the closing of your final paragraph is telling. You can't tell who they are in most cases, but it's "reasonable" to impose all sorts of hurdles on 'irrelevant' responsible gun owners in the vain hope that you can achieve a marked reduction of gun crime. Real world efficacy be damned.

California has implemented essentially every reasonable control measure proposed to date, and advocates even admit that "[n]ot every law can prevent every gun death" (Allison Anderman, Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence), but god forbid anyone question whether yet another supposedly reasonable regulation like tying background check results to a due-process-free terrorist watch list is as reasonable and worthwhile as some believe.

This is why people outside the firearms industry buy in to the NRA's "propaganda." By which I actually mean "disagree with you" and "lobby to get their way just like everyone else."