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Re:Be sure to read the fine print:
I guess not the rockets themselves, just the engines.
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And I'm sure Google has even more info on it. I haven't seen anything new on it, so I have no idea what has happened since then. I haven't seen any new complaints, but I also haven't seen anything to indicate people being happy it didn't pass, so... -
ohhhh come on
Space.com has an article on this, and has an interesting view. The article can be found here.
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Re:Air, Water, and Food.Elements of the experiment have been attempted previously -- Do we remember that mockery of BioSphere 2? (no, not the appauling Paulie Shore movie, "Bio-Dome") This site does a nice job of outlining the requirements of a viable biosphere or otherwise self-contained environment.
The thing that will prove interesting is whether or not the Russians will employ any of the information they learned from their CELSS experiments in the 60s , improving on the technology and science -- esp since the CNN article makes no suggestion of traditional CELSS techniques.
One of the things I found most curious about their proposed experiment is the sheer volume of material they intend to "bring along"... If I'm doing my math right (no guarantee there), 12 Tons of payload (assuming the need to protect the raw material and the need to divide the raw material into reasonable payload weight (per Arian 5 current specifications) (not including the habitat and its associated sundries) in current terms equates to, about $300M. That's just launch cost, and says nothing about development, storage, maintenance, docking, or any of those other fun things, bringinng the ticket (less development costs) close to $13B (figure another $30-50B for development costs). The other item of concern is the processing of waste.. If they're BRINGING their food, and not growing it, there's the associated packaging that goes hand-in-hand. Last I checked, that plastic baggie burried in my back yard with my dearly-departed hampster from 3rd grade is still intact.
I'd also be interested in finding out if they intend to simulate conditions and catastrophes a la MIR in their experiment. Or the effects of that mysterous space fungus , or bombardment by cosmic radiation. The record for space endurance is still held by Cosmonaut Valeriy Polyakov following his 438-day mission aboard MIR -- the long-term effects of cosmic radiation exposure are still unknown, and Russia is renowned for under-reporting ill effects.
As with many of my generation, the dream of cosmic exploration by the commomn-man is quickly being usurped by the likely reality that perhaps our grandkids or great-grandkids will have that chance. That said, I am hopeful that perhaps this will lead to private venture a la Ansari to egg our governements on to partner with private industry to actually move us beyond our 30-year-old boundaries.Ok.. Sorry to do it, BUT... "Well, can you at least make it taste like chicken? Otherwise, I'm gonna shrivel up like a super model"
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last time round...
From the CNN article: "Polyakov told Interfax reporters that the 500 Days experiment will not include female volunteers."
I wonder if this is related to what happened last time they tried something like this. From space.com:
"Canadian physician, Dr. Judith Lapierre, tells a different tale. She was in the chamber for 110 days. "Somebody pulled me by my arm and tried to kiss me. Of course, we are not talking about [rape], but for me it was a high level of sexual harassment and if women don't stand up, the next thing that happens is usually that. I pushed the guy, but then I was told that in Russia I just should just give him a slap in the face. However, it is not my way of handling such things.""
If this (sexual harassment problems) is their reasoning behind the decision to exclude women, I think its a pretty poor reason. Why not rather exclude men? -
Something's amiss
hm,
I think something is wrong with that image! -
Re:Proposed solution to over-regulation problem
Guys like Dennis Tito??
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Re:$10,000 for at least one orbit
Anyway, I presume that would be the next space prize.
It is the next space prize. -
Re:So which tourists will be the first....
NASA and the ESA have both studied it although NASA denies it.
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Re:Anoying
Can't you take your useless left wing fingers and type some shit into google before spewing your garbage all over slashdot?
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The system also touts a somewhat cleaner way to reach space. Its byproducts -- water vapor, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide and nitrogen -- are a bit more preferable than the waste produced by shuttle SRBs, which burn ammonium perchlorate and aluminum. -
Re:Damn...
Just wait for the Space Tether then they'll be everywhere.
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Re:Ding!
Now we know how those sneaky engineers got SpaceShipOne into orbit....
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article
Here's a short article about that. He wasn't a test pilot then, afaik. That was when he was stationed in Germany. The film was shot later, while on the ground at Edwards AFB. He denies seeing any from space, however.
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Re:Summer Vacation In Outer Space
>>"apart from Americans and Russians, no one has tried it, yet."
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Bigelow's inflatables and the next prizeSuddenly that old commercial advertisement for a Hilton Hotel in space doesn't sound so wacky anymore. What with Richard Branson investing in the Spaceship One technology for a fleet of commercial spacecraft.
...and Robert Bigelow's Bigelow Aerospace working on inflatable space structures. Robert Bigelow is also the owner of the Budget Suites of America Hotel Chain.
Bigelow has recently announced the logical follow-up to the X-Prize: America's Space Prize, a $50 million prize to build a vehicle capable of taking 7 people to an orbiting space habitat and back before the end of the decade.
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Re:I'm going for the Y Prize!
Speaking of which, the space.com picture of Brian Binnie looks a lot like Ed Grimley.
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Today is a great day
Today is a great day for space afficionados. We've been rather fed up with NASA's castration for years... it's great that the doorway to space seems to be opening up again.
Next step: orbit. -
First, Inflatable Reentry Vehicles, now this...Slashdot JUST covered the Inflatable Reentry Vehicles story on September 3, so its nice to see that people are thinking of inflatable items to cover the whole trip.
Incidentally, those wacky Russians did a test of this thing's ability to survive reentry and it seemed to to pretty ok. Check it out.
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1 passenger was Rutan's mother...Although they only required 1 passenger (+ weight of 2 more) in the rules, according to this space.com article...
Rutan revealed that SpaceShipOne carried the ashes of his mother, Irene Rutan. She passed away a few years ago.
So in a way there were 2 people on the flight. Anyhow, I thought that was an interesting bit of trivia...
"I only thought of doing this last night. We rounded up her ashes...she flew today," Rutan said, his eyes tearing as he spoke. -
Re:Engine cutoffs
Well its not excatly a solid state engine.
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New $50 Million Prize for Private OrbiterI'm surprised no one else has picked this new piece up:
Robert Bigelow, chief of Las Vegas-based Bigelow Aerospace, is apparently setting higher goals for private spaceflight endeavors with America's Space Prize, a $50 million race to build an orbital vehicle capable of carrying up to seven astronauts to an orbital outpost by the end of the decade, according to Aviation Week and Space Technology.
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nm?
Am I the only one who saw the "35nm" at the bottom of the flight plan (http://space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img
_ display.php?pic=040927_ss1_flight_02.jpg&cap=The+f light+plan+for+SpaceShipOne.+Credit%3A+Scaled+Comp osites%2C+LLC)
and thought - Holy fsck! And they're promising to land within 35 nanometers of the launch location, talk about precision! ...I realize I probably am.. -
Re:Beagle 2, Viking's, Polar Lander, Mars landers.
I would be interested to see if the Viking landers are still visible
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mgs_mpf_viki ng_040107.html
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Re:Unmanned mission
Not only that, but according to space.com, the mission is an orbiter, not a lander. The US sent Clementine to the moon for $75 million dollars ten years ago. Chandrayan will be more capable, and I'm all for it, but this isn't exactly a revolution in lunar exploration.
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Re:why blame immigrants?
The simple fact is that job growth in the US is not happening as fast as immigration.
It isn't an issue of blaming immigrants-but a question of the policy involved(and the folks that created athat policy) _and_ the real economic effects of that policy. During most of its history, the US economy was a vehicle for job growth that outstripped the rate of immigration. That has changed--and any likely mechanisms to reverse that (i.e. opening a new frontier or a major change in tax policy) are going to take time to have their effects felt. -
Life on Mars
According to this (long) article, there's "evidence that there were habitable environments" on Mars, and recent research results "also suggest a possible search strategy for evidence that there might once have been life".
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Not exactly correct either...
Or that India's cryogenic engine came of age on April 18, 2001 when India bustled into the exclusive GSL club?
It is still an impressive development. However, the cryogenic engine that they are using is a Russian import. The Indians build their own fuel tank and pumping system... Quote from the article "India is using the (Russian) engine as a component in the GSLV, but without a technology transfer." "It is a technology which has never been used by India before," Narasimha (Director of Indian National Institute of Advanced Studies) said.
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Re:I'd take this annoucement with a grain of salt
And finally, when the heck were space programs within on close to their budget? 88 million? More like 500-900 million $.
I don't believe such a mission can be completed in $88M either.
Let's forget about the more expensive US or EU rockets in the mean time....
The cost of a Russian Proton Rocket is about $100M. The cost of the Soyuz-Fregat is about $50M... But, the thrust is probably too low to push a meaningful size payload to the moon orbit. The Chinese Long March is on par of that... Indian's IT infrastructure is better than the Russian and the Chinese. But, heavy industry is what the Russian is very very good at. I can see no cost advantage from India at this stage. In terms of labour cost, China is as cheap. In terms of natural resources, Russia is the king.
So, the $88M is likely to be the cost of consumables... excluding any running cost of the space centre, extra equipment purchased for the project, labour cost associated with R&D. These associated costs are usually a one to two orders of magnitude higher for the initial flight. (compare the price of F22 with the initial development cost) $500M to $1000M is about reasonable.
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Cryogenic technology not ready, huh?Really? That must be quite bad then, especially since google is full of reports about India's cryogenic prowess. Here are the first three results:
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Re:What is the point?So it is amoral and shortsighted to launch weather satellites to help predict cyclones and other weather conditions that kill thousands?
So it is amoral and shortsighted to invest in developing local technology so that local industry thrive and help catch a pie of the multi-billion dollar satellite launch market by proving their capabilities, so they get foreign business, creating thousands of jobs in the process, and bringing in billions of foreign capital to grow their economy?
So it is amoral and shortsighted to invest in communications systems to help boost education levels in poor rural areas?
A space program isn't a pissing contest - all countries depend on space technology in one way or another. For a country with more than a sixth of the worlds population it would be lunacy to depend on other countries for things like military surveillance, communications, weather monitoring, etc. It would also be lunacy to let other nations cement their technical superiority and hold onto their grip on a market that is growing extremely rapidly, and will be a vital revenue source in a few decades.
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Can't we make this more relevant? Mention NASA?I am sorry but this has to be the weakest question of the lot.
I'm no expert but surely Metric vs. Imperial is not the big issue in US Competiveness. China, India and other Asian countries are not outcompeting the US because of Metric adoption surely?
Now there is the question of Metric adoption at NASA and failed Mars missions which might relate this a bit more to the "real" world. Let's spice it up please Metric fans!
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Radioctive batteries used for Pluto mission
My brother tells me about radioactive batteries used in space, specifically the Pluto probe due to go up in 2006 and arrive 2015.
More battery details here and here and here.
There's less and less solar power available as you move away from the Sun (which was abundant on the Mercury trip). Plus, you need power for 10+ years. Where do I get that battery? From nuclear material, of course. The battery is the last thing to go into the spaceship, and you do lots of testing without it. And you make sure all the materials in the spacecraft can function with a reasonably radioactive source (near the top, as I recall).
He told me all this because I didn't know that the pilot light in a gas heater heats a piece of metal which provides enough voltage to drive the thermostat (hey bro, why doesn't the water heater have an electric plug?) Radioactive materials are mixed with ceramics to keep a reasonably constant amount of heat. The voltage comes from the heat. Wow, appliance technology moved into the space program. -
Not the first time...
Obviusly, is not the first time it happens. Not so obvius, is not the first time this has been studied, either.
By the way, there's a slighty more detailed article in space.com., some other useful links in the article, also.
Excerpt from space.com:
The smaller cluster most likely contained about 300 galaxies, while its larger neighbor about 1,000 galaxies, researchers said. But when the two clusters collided with one another, they formed a still unsettled super cluster about 1 million light-years across that should take another billion years to settle down completely, researchers said.
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Not the first time...
Obviusly, is not the first time it happens. Not so obvius, is not the first time this has been studied, either.
By the way, there's a slighty more detailed article in space.com., some other useful links in the article, also.
Excerpt from space.com:
The smaller cluster most likely contained about 300 galaxies, while its larger neighbor about 1,000 galaxies, researchers said. But when the two clusters collided with one another, they formed a still unsettled super cluster about 1 million light-years across that should take another billion years to settle down completely, researchers said.
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Re:And when we don't win?
There's the annual X Prize Cup which will hopefully give a number of teams motivation to keep working on what they're doing. Anyways, I doubt that many of the teams would quit just because the prize was won... I mean, I think they all just want to get into space, and they're closer now than they've ever been (even if they're still a ways off).
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Human Space Exploration
To Bush: As part of your Vision for Space Exploration that you laid out earlier this year, do you intend to direct NASA in the direction of human settlement of space, or just scientific research.
To Kerry: As president, would you direct NASA to continue with human space exploration of planetary bodies or would you contract it's focus to Earth and near-Earth subjects? (Please provide specifics as previous answers to this have been very vague.) -
Re:This must be the fabled...
Nah, then they would have found it parked on Mount Ararat.
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Re:Sight seeingNo you can't, you can't stay in the Van Allen radiation belt for a long time, as it would be necessary in a space elevator.
There was a proposal to disperse the Van Allen radiation belts from Mr. Big Ideas himself, Robert L. Forward. Doing this would require a highly charged 100 km conducting tether -- a simple feat of engineering compared to a space elevator.
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Re:Some limitations:
requirement to avoid
... the South Atlantic Anomaly
Fascinating. But on the subject, if Earth's magnetic polarity flips, would that create a North Atlantic Anomaly? Or, how about removing the Van Allen belts altogether? -
Re:good going !
What's even worse:
It got nominated for a nebula award -
all about the vomit comet...
Flying The Vomit Comet Has Its Ups And Downs. NOTE: article deserves props for it's title alone, but it's also very revealing about what getting to Zero G is like. Not sure if I'd want to do it, but it must be a crazy feeling.
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Changes made to improve flight profile
What has not yet been mentioned in this
/. discussion is briefly, though not directly, mentioned in the aforementioned space.com article. The changes to the engine were made at least partly to offset the previous glitch encountered during the previous flight. "...the increased liquid nitrous oxide should delay that drop off and provide more thrust earlier in the flight, when SpaceShipOne's control surfaces can still bite into the Earth's atmosphere for steering." They hope this will allow them to reach their target altitude this time (almost missed the space altitude last time) without having to resort to secondary guidance systems. -
Changes made to improve flight profile
What has not yet been mentioned in this
/. discussion is briefly, though not directly, mentioned in the aforementioned space.com article. The changes to the engine were made at least partly to offset the previous glitch encountered during the previous flight. "...the increased liquid nitrous oxide should delay that drop off and provide more thrust earlier in the flight, when SpaceShipOne's control surfaces can still bite into the Earth's atmosphere for steering." They hope this will allow them to reach their target altitude this time (almost missed the space altitude last time) without having to resort to secondary guidance systems. -
Re:Wasting precious resourcesMore here.
- SpaceShipOne burns
... HTPB, a common ingredient in tire rubber. In conventional rockets, propellant can be pre-mixed -- as in the solid rocket boosters (SRBs) used NASA space shuttle -- or sit in tanks that are filled just prior to launch, like liquid oxygen and hydrogen rockets. In both engine configurations, the are highly volatile and can be toxic to handle.
"The fact that the oxidizer and fuel are not molecularly mixed in these [hybrid] engines, makes them non-explosive," explained Greg Zilliac, a hybrid engine researcher at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, California. "We've actually shipped fuel grains by UPS in the past."
- SpaceShipOne burns
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The scary part is that he's right
The WWW will eventually die, along with other common Internet technologies!
PlanetLab? Not RTFA, I suppose that's to make a new planet for us?
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Re:Nazi Germany
The only thing Nazi Germany wanted to do was build new technical devices to kill people
Antropomorphisms like this are dangerous. It's so tempting to say "Russia wants to conquer Tschetschenya" or "USA want to justify Guantanamo to the public opinion", but you should always remember there is no such person as Uncle Sam or Mother Russia. Whatever George W. Bush wants or needs, it's not necessarily what every American or even majority of Americans want or need. It's also dangerous when you talk about dictatorship, as there was more in Third Reich than just Hitler and his crazy followers. What we know about Werner von Braun is that he was interested in rocket science "as such" - his lifelong dream was a manned mission to Mars. He worked for Hitler not because he loved him, but simply because for a German rocket scientist in 1940's there weren't really any other options. When you say "That was their ethos" you should consider who do you mean by "they". Them-Nazis? Sure, you're right. Them-German scientitst? You are obviously wrong. -
Asteroid Toutatis flyby that day
When I went to put the date on my calendar (not like I'll make it, but I can dream), I noticed that September 29 is also the date that earth-crossing asteroid Toutatis is scheduled to make its closest approach to Earth. The bizarrely-shaped object is the size of a "small city" (whatever that means), and is due to get no closer than four times the earth-moon distance.
According to the wsu.edu page: 'Toutatis (also called Teutates) was an ancient Celtic god of war, fertility and wealth worshipped in Gaul. His name means "the god of the tribe".' His name is invoked regularly by the French cartoon character Asterix, who also fears that the sky will fall on his head.
Certainly an auspicious day for anyone interested in the heavens. Let's hope what's already up stays up, and what goes up comes down safely. -
Re:How do I sign up for a ride?
Considering what happened to Carmack's shuttle, you will be more likely riding into the other world than riding into space. I think it would be safer to wait 10 more years after they announce the winner before plopping down money to fly into space.
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Unconfirmed
This announcement was premature, at best. It is not responsible science.
The planet is not yet confirmed as such. It could very easily be a background star. This has happenned before, and the scientists got an awful lot of egg on their faces. Another unconfirmed "planet" image can be seen here, this one around a white dwarf.
The responsible thing to do is wait a few years to determine if the objects have common proper-motions--if they move through the sky together, they are probably physically linked, and one can determine that the companion object really is a planet. Without this confirmation, the simplest explanation is not that it is a planet.
Many teams of astronomers have images of planet candidates like this one. The responsible astronomers are the ones you aren't hearing from yet--the ones waiting to verify they have planets.
The press-release title should be "A dim spot imaged near a brown dwarf." Any further conclusions have no basis. -
Re:Stupid Question
There's a good article here about what exactly makes up a moon. I can tell you its not about gravity since basically every object with mass has gravity.
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Israeli Goverment already control US satillites
Isreali Goverment already controls the shutter on US spacecraft. Why can't the US government have the same rights over AMERICAN spacecraft?
link for more info here
Shutter control: Still there are issues that concern the remote-sensing industry. When applying a concept called shutter control, U.S.-issued licenses also contain provisions for the control of sensitive areas where space imaging might be limited. Shutter control restrictions on the space photography of Israel were inserted into a Senate bill in 1997. Drafted by Rep. John Kyle (R-Arizona) and Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico), the law imposes restrictions on imaging Israeli territory during certain periods invoked by the Israel government. The imposition of restrictions was unpopular with U.S. industry, which saw foreign partners without these limits as more competitive internationally. Still, U.S. providers worked around the matter. "The whole issue of shutter control was a short-term issue," Gabrynowicz said. "It wasn't a major issue, such as ownership control, monitoring or compliance," she said. Wooldridge agreed. "Any imposition of the [shuttle control] provision will be for the smallest area and the shortest period necessary," he said. "There can't be any permanent blackouts."