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Intel Predicts Death Of WWW
LostCluster writes "Forbes is running a report saying that Intel's CTO claims that the WWW is 'running up on some architectural limitations' that will eventually cause its downfall. He's pushing a project called PlanetLab that has Princeton, Cambridge, Hewlett-Packard and AT&T on board, but Cisco is notably absent from that team."
Is he also, by any chance, suggesting a solution: buy more, newever, faster Intel chips!?
Simpy
Yeah, and Beta's been "dead" for 20 years. But I still can go buy tapes for it.
Chris Knight is my hero.
than spread FUD. They're losing the CPU battle with AMD and they know it. So they try to scare people about the imminent death of the internet so they're solution products start selling... I say fuck them. I haven't been satisfied with an Intel product since the pentium 200 mmx... One can only hope they bankrupt themselves on their gargantuan inadequacy. Fuck them.
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Don't bother to RTFA this time, the article's about as low on info as the summary.
Instant Karma's gonna get you Gonna look you right in the face -- John Lennon
Intel predicts that it will be able to convince the world to abandon the unscalable approach of following standards, including upcoming standards like XForms and IPv6, and open P2P systems, and instead invent its own propietary system.
X-Has-Sig: yes
... it has already happened!?
"The Internet will end when 1 million slashdotters click this link"
Dupes
WWW may be dying, but repeating old stories is forever
I'd love to see how much of the nets resources are taken up by spam mail, viruses, worms, and the like. I would imagine (although I am totally uneducated in the arena of 'tech') that if these problems were wrapped up for good, a whole lot of stress would be removed from the Internets shoulders.
I'm also cynical enough to predict that intel are saying;
"The net is dying... AND WE HAVE THE SOLUTION! SIGN UP NOW FOR ONLY $5.99 TO GET A STARTER PACK"
Is it me, or does it sound like Dvorak cooked this one up?
Dupe, Dupe, Dupe, Dupe of URL
Dupe of URL.
Dupe of URL.
Mea navis aericumbens anguillis abundat
WWW may reach the same level Gopher is today, it is not so popular (mainstream) but it's contents can be very interesting if you perform some data mining (geekly speaking of course).
The end of Usenet/NNTP has been predicted many times as well. It's a stage that every successful protocol eventually reaches. Our baby is growing up!
Perhaps the internet will be killed by the fact that, with constant breeding of duplicated news stories, one will eventually reach critical mass and overwhelm all other information.
Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
They're doing what they can to get some publicity to the PlanetLab project.
this is not my signature.
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered the Internet community when IDC confirmed that the Internet market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that the Internet has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. the Internet is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict the Internet's future. The hand writing is on the wall: the Internet faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for the Internet because the Internet is dying. Things are looking very bad for the Internet. As many of us are already aware, the Internet continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
All major surveys show that the Internet has steadily declined in market share. the Internet is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If the Internet is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. the Internet continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, the Internet is dead.
Fact: the Internet is dying
You know TFA is a load of crap when the excerpt is about the same size as the actual article...and half of the article's page is devoted to promoting some financial news service.
This is, by far, one of the worst news posts EVER on slashdot.
In fact, do go to the article and witness the historic event.
There are two kinds of people in the world: Those with good memory.
It strikes me that this 'new internet over the existing one' is an extremely vague idea.
At least to me, they have not said what the problems are to begin with and further more have not said how they are going to address each one.
All this tells us is 'X Corp is working on an unknown problem with an unknown solution'.
Adding a network on the existing one doesn't sound like a great solution either because it uses the apparently flied infrastructure to construct a method to make that structure more stable..? Sounds like building on sand to me..
It's unfortunate that while a newer, faster version of the internet is in the works, it's supposedly going to be limited to use by scientists and other researchers. Perhaps the system with increased complexity that was previously reported on slashdot is the answer to our difficulties?
Any article that confuses the Internet with the world wide web can't be taken seriously.
Well god bless them. I remember the day vividly when my shiney new Pentium 3 arrived, and i was finally able to browse the internet.
And why hardware limitation exactly are they refering to; heat from your cpu exhaust instantly melting through your patch cable?
-Chris
--an unbreakable toy is useful for breaking other toys--
I looked at the article and it had..
:-O
"Beware of the End of the World (Wide Web), " Says Intel
Clearly the " the start of the internet corruption.
On a more serious note, the news story doesn't actually tell you anything except use Intel stuff.
Wouldn't it be nice if dot com meant something?
... and move all the dot coms there. I mean the real dot coms. People with a commercial tax id and a willingness to pay a tax to subsidise this new infrastructure.
Perhaps Intel could build another internet
Just a thought,
--The Dude
Intel CEO: "So what can someone suggest as a way of bumping our revenue?" Patrick Gelsinger: "I know, let's go public and say that the WWW is dying and that we have a solution." Person with conscience: "But, but, but, what about IPv6 and such?" CEO: "Who let him in here?!?!"
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I thought that the HTTP protocol was going to die? But no, they are talking about the Internet switches and routers being overloaded. And it will only get worse as more people use broadband - that means ISPs will have to upgrade their equipment! (shock! horror!) The WWW is going to break with all the """ codes in the article, too.
Gelsinger's solution is to build a new network over the current Internet,
The WWW is a network over the current Internet... Oh well
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Article summary: FUD.
However, it is somewhat humorous that the writer often substitutes "World Wide Web" for "Internet." Considering that the number of estimated Internet users increased from 38,000,000 at the end of 1994 to 604,000,000 in 2004, I am somewhat incredulous to the belief that our current architecture is incapable of accommodating expansion. It may not be inexpensive, but it is possible.
Aside from that, the article contains no other information. A substantial percentage of the article body is actually dedicated to FinancialWire and StreetSignals.
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A while back I thought it was quite ironic that one of the inventors of Ethernet would be proclaiming the death of it.
I cannot recall if he was always saying the Internet would die or that Ethernet would die... I think it would be great to have Jumbo Frames, but that would no longer be Ethernet!
Your Average Joe
"Gentleman, the bad news is that there isn't much more money to be made selling Internet hardware. Profit levels in Internet-related hardware are down 300% from 5 years ago.
The good news? We've just landed a top notch PR firm to help sell our message that we must upgrade and overhaul the whole infrastructure. We'll be monitoring the impact of this message over the next several months. If successful, we expect to see profit levels soar again within 3 years."
---Technology will liberate us if it doesn't enslave us first.
A worthless article to be sure, with no discussion of the web's architectural problems. (bad Slashdot) There is obviously more to the architectural problem than will be solved by IPv6, but allowing for IPv6 and higher capacity routers alone, I'm sure the web could go a long time with no other upgrade. I can only wonder how much money Intel will spend on convincing people that the web will die "sooner than you think." If it's anything like the $300 million they spent on telling people they have the best/only Wi-Fi solution, we'll be hearing this for a long time.
Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. -Groucho Marx
...the death of Intel, the rise of AMD, film at whatever
h.
Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious
Has he linked his project to the War on Terror(TM)? If not, he won't stand a chance of getting any funding or attention. The virus protection scam comes close, but he needs to throw in a little more doom and gloom...
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No more slashdot then?! --shock--
What's really funny.
MSFT wants to control the web, and is trying to build tech into longhorn to accomplish that. Embrace, Extend, Extinugish. Now Billy G is going after the world.
How to Kill MSFT, Kill x86. as a side affect Intel dies as well. Damn, now those brilliant engineers can actually build a better processor.
i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
Listen, I'm no fan of Intel, and this article contains no useful information whatsoever. But, if Intel went bankrupt like many have suggested here, I can guarantee the price of AMD chips will increase.
welcome our new Intelnet overlords.
I really think the future lays in some sort of system that distributes server load to clients. sort of like an interactive bittorent.
A lot of things that are done these days over the web are extremely simple and could be done on the client side, but can overwhelm a server when it needs to be done for thousands or millions of people. And bandwidth still isn't free.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
The Web was not created by companies like Intel. It wasn't created by companies at all, only in some cases co-opted by them.
When companies like Intel pitch these wide-ranging changes, it comes over like some seedy traveling salesman pitching a monorail.
If we want to make changes to the web, we will.
Tenemus pyrobolos atqui jacimus cognitiones.
The WWW reports that former chip giant Intel is finally collapsing ironically its death is attributed to the marketing scam that made it successful. In order to keep up with their megahertz myth, Intel was forced to crete processors that consumed so much power even when not actually performing any computing functions that they became totally impractical for PC use.
Bill said in 1995 there is no need for an Internet Explorer because it's too slow.
You could burn the content of the Internet on 6CDs!
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The WWW will eventually die, along with other common Internet technologies!
PlanetLab? Not RTFA, I suppose that's to make a new planet for us?
Thanks, Intel!
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
Pentel, the world's leading provider of 0.5mm mechanical pencils has predicted the World Wide Web cannot continue to function at its present level for much longer. Pentel is offering an alternative, called WSD, or Writing Stuff Down, that is virtually immune to scaling problems currently plaguing the Web. Industry experts have been slow to respond to this proposal but their responses are expected any day now, via another new technology called the Post Office.
Who are they to confirm anything? AMD will probably crush them into the dirt and the WWW will still be here waaaaay after Intei is gone =)
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That'd suck if they were right... I'd have to go back to reading Slashdot in the newspaper like I used to.
(things seem funnier at five a.m.)
This is my sig. It's prescription, I swear. I need it for reading things... on the other side of things
Remember Intel are the guys who were trying to downplay AMD's 64bit processor when it first came out?
They basically say something like "640k is enough for everyone" except that a few months down the road when market forces start acting, who are the ones playing the catch up game now?
I'd say we'd all be happily surfing the WWW in our subterran bunkers in 2038 when Intel is no more..
Online backup with Mozy, sounds like Ozzie, but more!
To the music of the Imperial March?
Hemos: "They will feel the power of the slashdot!"
timothy: "The slashdot effect is insignificant compared to the ire raised when I dupe."
Why, o why must the sky fall when I've learned to fly?
WWW is 'running up on some architectural limitations' that will eventually cause its downfall.
uh... Windows is spelt with only 1 W and ends in "indows"
And the day www goes dead where will they announce it ?
Striving to be common...
A little piece of the WWW dies every day. But after it has spent it's 12 hours on the front page of /. it will be back. Don't worry, the death is only temporary...
...a Led Zeppelin reunion without John Paul Jones.
Oh, wait...
WARNING: Smartphones have side effects--most of them undocumented.
One of the signs of this impending cataclysm? Random occurences of the string "":"
I hate sigs.
These are the people who have published a series of pro-scox/msft and anti-linux articles. Not to mention numerous other idiotic articles. There investment advice is just as worthless - Forbes used to praise a medical company called Dynacq (DYII) now that company is in the pink sheets (DYII.PK).
Forbes is absolutely worthless. I'm amazed anybody considers forbes worth anything.
... are bringing it to its knees ...
No, I think it's meant to be to the tune of "Duke of Earl", which is much funnier, imho.
Or maybe to the tune of DUKE OF EARL you fucking idiot.
The whole story looks like a mistake to be honest. If they would add more info to it, maybe it could be a note or a scrap, but hardly a story.
-Kenneth Sundby-
How long have influential members of the community be predicting the demise of tape and tape systems? When the going gets hard, the community seems to alywas find ways to overcome the obstacles predicted by the experts.
I got some spam the other day about 'architectural limitations'. I think that is what they mean, they should give it a go, no gadgets and gizmos, no creams, no pumps required!
Lets reinvent the web and have someone own it, and we all pay them! yes please! here is my credit-card number.
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Why are people blaming Dvorak for everything?
He was a great composer. If you don't like his work fine, BUT STOP BLAMING HIM for all of today's problems!!!
It seems the author of the article has decided to give it a sensationalist spin. PlanetLab is a platform intended for researchers to experiment with new protocols. It's a world wide network of computers dedicated to research, and a number of interesting research projects are using it.
t la b.htm ...
http://www.intel.com/research/exploratory/plane
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I for one welcome our new intel overlords Its slashdot, its tradition, and somebody had to say it.
Invent a "problem", then offer a solution.
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The history is filled with these types of marketing schemes. In the 1930s there was a product called Listerine, made to treat throat infections. A guy called Gerald Lambert made a marketing scheme, "inventing" a problem ("bad breath") and offered the solution (his product), the birth of mouthwash products.
Ref: http://chnm.gmu.edu/features/sidelights/whoinvent
...by buying AMD next time I build a computer. Shame on them.
Intel's prediction makes sence. We won't be able to communicate with Mars most of the time through TCP, the connections will timeout, so we'r gonna have trouble with interplanetary Internet connections.
However, there is light at the end of the tunnel (and it's not the train comming): Intel has just found the solution for this huge problem and will incorporate it in their Wi-Fi routers, which is undoubltly good news.
In the other hand, how many people predicted the end of the world before the 21st century?
Wasn't this about the imminent breakdown of the Internet??? Btb. What would Al Gore think of this?
i don't like style guides
Intel in not known for it's vision lately: RDRAM, Itanium/Itanic, processor's operating frequency as main measure of performance, 64-bit extensions, ... death of the internet...
Intel wrong again?
So Cisco controls all the switches and routers on the internet? Fools are they who paid Cisco for them!
As "Erm, vaguely, something, some day"?!
An while they are at it, how about defining the out-of-context "collapse" and "some architectural limitations" for this article to have any meaning whatsoever?
OMG. Aren't we all just stunned by the writer's clarity, precision and thorough understanding of all things technical...
If there's an "anti-Pulitzer", a prize for the worst misachievements in journalism, Forbes&FinancialWire may just have given us a very promising "Candidate of the Year".
...until netcraft confirms it.
We replaced our intel boxes by AMD Opteron's and Apple G4's ... so intel will probably see us as another dead customer. So THEIR net indeed is dying.
Here is how the "trusted internet" will fail:
1. Claim that the internet, with the advent of widespread broadband, is going to crash. Cause the herd to panic. Bypass your IT manager. Put it right in Forbes and Fortune 500. Make them demand it from the top down.
2. Speak of adding a new functionality (like a new and improved clippy) and then slide in DRM to prevent "hackers" from getting into your machine. This of course, will never prevent hackers. All it will do is make the hackers get into the BIOS level of your computer when you allow a shell at that level.
3. Roll out "trusted computing." Pretty soon, your computer won't trust you to let you do what you want on it. You will feel a sudden twinge as millions of Joe Users will cry out in agony, and then suddenly, silence.
4. Geeks will find and work with corporations that are not on trusted computing. They will be fine. They will know where to get the useful mobos and processors. Their side of the internet will not change at all, ever.
5. One generation of "Joe User" will find that all of the interesting things that made owning a computer are now blocked and will become frustrated. They will blame the computer instead of the architecture. "My Dell won't let me do what I want!" Gateway, Dell, and other Windows syncophants will start going belly up in the slimmest of markets after they drove all of the profit out of the business. IBM will be fine with Linux for the business market. Comcast will hemmorage profits when people can't get to what they really want, and then suddenly turn on all of the other companies. AT&T will suck it up, those losing more traction in the real world as usual.
6. The industry will dump DRM and trusted computing while it is still hot, because basically, there won't be any purchases, and people have to sell computers to pay the bills. Word will get out to the common person, quickly, and they will sit on the shelves and rot.
Why do I think it will happen just like this?
The whole "trusted drinking" thing worked so well during prohibition. A group of Holy rollers thought that banning things or preventing them would stop bad activity. All prohibition did was make "bad" activity more expensive... and much more aggressive and organized. These "trusted computing" twits are insane. If they think that it is going to work, they're nuts. Go ahead and delay Longhorn or whatever. Simply put, it ain't going to work. Look, if geeks need to get their chips from Burma, or Morrocco, or wherever, rest assured that they will find a way.
- Apple will go bankrupt.
- We'll be in Flying cars by the year 2000.
- Astronaut food is yummy. Everybody will eat it.
- The Red Sox will win another World Series.
If only the last one wold come true. Hmmm, let me make some predictions:or
Bush will win and start the apocolypse
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Since the internet is used to transmit copyrighted information (heck, even this post is copyrighted under the Berne convention), reverse engineering such a system would be illegal under the DMCA.
I have been waiting for this for a while. "Security" measures in hardware on networking that is really used to lock out any new vendors.
SkyNet
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IMHO, of course.
May the SOURCE be with you.
I think the article is actually referring to the limits imposed by IPv4 and the need to move to IPv6 for more addresses. If so, then the World Wide Web is *NOT* dying, only our ability to extend the life of IPv4 is dying (so to speak).
Heh finally you won't have to type "WWW.whatever.xxx"... just "whatever.xxx" on ANY website.
"www" is just a dummy default subdomain.
Fucking a fat girl is like riding a scooter... it's fun 'til someone sees you.
Is this the same INTEL that recently said " If the net grows to 100 billion devices connected to it, our goal is to have a piece of Intel inside in every one of those hundred billion" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3643902.stm IMHO, this is a pure bit or maketing FUD just to promote INTEL. So carry on INTEL and you too could soon become the pariah that Microsoft could only dream about.
I'd rather be riding my '63 Triumph T120.
... is that Slashdot needs a a special icon for "X is dead/X predicted to die" stories.
May I suggest a small tombstone with "R.I.P." engraved on it? Perhaps a black armband?
MÖÖP
Because I felt like I wanted my car tuned up to maintain good performance over time ; treat any machine well and it will bring you anywhere.
..kaching..kaching..kaching. Little, but persistant.
..but promised me to spend some time thinking about it. The day after he discovered it was just a loose part not fixed well after the tuneup.
The technician was happy to do the cleaning job that he knew well, he was paid for and did a good job. My car felt like new, no Ferrari but hey it was a tune up not a modification ! While I was waiting a car salesman approached me, proposing me to trade in the old car for a brand new one, offering a good deal. I refused as I went in for a tune up and I didn't want to give up a perfectly good car that was OK for my needs.
The car salesman didn't pressure me much, I later realized. After like a week of traveling I noticed a noise I had never noticed before
I was a little alarmed, but the car didn't seem to behave badly. I didn't want to run in trouble, so I went back to the mechanic. The technician said he didn't know, and asked his coworkers..meanwhile the car salesman said that he knew, it was a structural defect of some pump and that to save me time and expenses he would have replaced it for little money. That "kaching" was typical of the problem, which was little known but to insiders.
I said I would have tought about that, and I went to another mechanic, who didn't know
Kaching...you need new hardware or the world will fall apart...kaching..it's a big problem, we don't want you in harm.
I cannot tell you guys how many spam zombies there are out there. As a Sys Admin for a hosting company, I am finding an alarming rate of increase in regards to infected PCs spamming without the knowledge of their owner... Imagine all the thousands of newbies and the junk those guys will send :( Maybe you better not ;)
photoplankton
Stupid idiot...
Oh well, what the hell...
...to take away Intel employees' external web access so they'll work harder.
A bunch of companies have different solutions which disrupt the original shared code cooperative model and Unix dies.
A bunch of companies have different solutions which disrupt the opriginal standards based model and the Internet dies.
I might accept the idea but it does not belong to Intel, Princeton, AT&T, nor Cambridge. It belongs in the bucket with all the other ideas that eventually get implemented. Otherwise the Net will be just like television.
The message on the other side of this sig is false.
1) Flying cars only 10 years away (for the last 60 years).
2) Y2K will end life as we know it.
3) WWW now officially dead. Close your browser.
I guess that sums it up. Forgive me if I don't hold my breath.
"No support for quote marks", says Forbes
"The WWW has never shown that it can consistantly produce the quotation marks we need
when we need, and for this reason it needs to go back to the drawing board", said an unnamed source with the Forbes web design team.
We have a couple PlanetLab nodes in our computer room. They're just Dell Pentium 4 Optiplices running Red Hat under UML. Just the sort of technology you'd want to build a new uber-Internet upon. One of them is is often locked up solid, requiring a power-cycle. Naturally, we'll need a new Internet protocol for power-cycling remote nodes.
As a user of both the WWW and Planetlab I can say that they are totally unrelated. The WWW is a source for finding/exchanging existing data. Planetlab is a testbed for new networking/computing technologies. Planetlab produces data, the WWW distributes data.
In the slashdot posting we get this: He's pushing a project called PlanetLab that has Princeton, Cambridge, Hewlett-Packard and AT&T on board, but Cisco is notably absent from that team."
Yet, when we look at the article: It's a vision apparently shared by Cisco (NASDAQ: CSCO), Hewlett-Packard (NYSE: HPQ) and AT&T Corp. (NYSE: T), all of whom are working feverishly, either together or apart to save the World Wide Web, which Intel and others see as becoming so overloaded it will eventually break. Ripping good show, sport!
due to technological limitations (heat disapation, power consumption) that will cause its demise.
*rolls eyes*
Is the juice worth the sqeeze?
It makes sense that the web evolve as new requirements are placed on it. Nobody when the web was created predicted how successful it would be. Likewise, nobody thought that companies would start moving their information on the web in droves, or that people would want HTML to have graphics design or motion capablities for the creation of more interactive web pages. People are trying to get the web to do things it wasn't really designed to do.
I think the biggest push that may cause this revolution (eventually) is companies looking to protect their IP. In the beginning, it was imagined that the web would be the haven for the free flow of information. As soon as companies jumped on to the web, now it's all about security and information control. Making sure some l33t haxor doesn't steal your carefully guarded trade secrets. Or restricting users into doing what you want them to do.
Me personally, I think the web should be split into two different webs: the commercial internet and the non-commercial internet. Companies have really distorted what the web was supposed to be about: free information. Free information to me does not mean bullshit popup ads or huge banners that make it impossible to find the content I'm looking for. Every website and their brother wants me to register to view anything they have, so they can send me "valuable product information", aka spam. Websites are created daily whose sole purpose is to spam google with websites designed to get people to click through various web pages so they can raise their hit count and please advertizers. If companies want to do all this, by all means, they are allowed to do so. But I think such websites should be segregated off to a different part of the web so users know what to expect from a given site.
Do they know there is one? Or is the WWW going to die but the internet will continue to thrive?
If we can just convince enough companies of this, then they'll all get off the internet and let us get back to USING it for things!
Keith D.
First it was a move towards the 13 nm EUV lithography crap and now, its death of the world wide web. Intel keeps coming up with propoganda that makes people wanna buy Intel and invest in its technology. Shouldn't they concentrate on their chip making business where currently AMD is kicking their ass both in price and performance? The Opetron's are a few million transistors less and about 3 times as fast.
Except here, the problem lies in the WWW architecture. Unlike Usenet newsgroups, which cache information among several providers, web sites tend to have a single point of failure. When too many people try to access a web resource at once, the server's connection to the Internet often becomes saturated, and this congestion can only increase with a larger worldwide audience. Think Slashdot effect 24/7. No, many smaller publishers of information on the WWW cannot financially afford redundant hosting.
The ethernet (and mostly internet) protocol was predicted to die 30 years ago. People offered alternatives like ATM and MicroSofts early 90s protocol (failed attempted hijacking of the Net), but none really caught. A mediocre standard used by billions of computers perseveres.
Funny you should mention, "...you can forget about using linux on the desktop...". Planet Lab is built on Linux. Since this article is, in fact, about Planet Lab. Linux is a very large part of the picture.
/^([Ss]ame [Bb]at (time, |channel.)){2}$/
Can't Al Gore do anything right? No wonder he is so pissed off now.
A better news summary at:
3 406161
http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/
Or the organization itself:
http://www.planet-lab.org/
Keep an eye out on who's posting the dupes, you'll see.
Why do we even listen to them?
The entire idea is asinine. To paraphrase who many simply call the inventor:
-- Sir Tim Berners-Lee... won't believe this until NetCraft confirms it.
I was wondering.. Now, I understand that Intel is trying to drum up some business. Ok, fine..but I also understand that there is a natural progression to evrything, and without getting into religion, there is an evolution to things as well. That being said, was not a major part of the history of the Internet the direct result of a collaboration of Digital, Intel and Xerox (DIX)? If so, (and I could be confusing my facts here), but does it not make sense that such a collaboration be necessary to evolve the Internet into it's next state? Also, it seems to me that the whole other network overtop of the Internet amounts to little more than a bandaid on a sucking chest wound.
Decaffeinated coffee is kinda like kissing your sister.
I was at the IDF Keynote, and I bounced some questions off Gelsinger afterwards. There are two problems with this that make it a non-starter in my opinion.
First, they are talking about layering another level of obfuscation on top of the net as a fix for the underlying problems. Rather than dealing with the problems, they ignore them, and make a shiny thing. Wow, that's architecture for you!
Next, with the innovation fom HP lately, and the fact that they are going commercial with it rather than open and standards based, it is doomed to be a niche idea at best. As one questioner afterwards pointed out, the internet was built on open ideas. This is looking to go the opposite way. NEXT!
Vint Cerf was cool though. They said there would be a special guest, but to my horror, they only meant Vint. No telletubbies in bondage gear this year. I can only hope for spring 2005 IDF....
I plan to rant about this on the Inq as soon as I recover from last week.
-Charlie
The end is near!!! Save yourselves!!!
What exactly is "some architectural limitations" ? The article is very vague.
Sounds more like marketing than anything else.
Nothing scary there, just what almost every computer company strives for.
How reassuring...
SCNR
WWW at the same time it helped proliferate the internet on the level to where common users could "surf", it also ruined the internet. I say party on a telnet server, talk and exchange files in a newsgroup and trade porn via ftp. The web killed the internet, and I want my Internet back.
First, the article confuses WWW with the Internet, so we don't know what architectural perspective they're referring to.
Then, this doozy: "'We're running up on some architectural limitations,' Gelsinger was quoted as saying." Ummm... which are?? At least give us a friggin' nutshell!!!
I'm thinking this article should win a "Worst of 2004" award.
Steve Magruder, Metro Foodist
That's three times in less than a week!
Is there nothing NEW happening in the World?
Goofy, Geeky Gifts and More!
Maybe he was trying to plug in his cable modem to his phone jack and got upset.
As an operational model, this fails. Either the system gets take over by hostile code, or there's some central adminstration that controls who runs what. (This last is the 3G cell phone services model. It's not working.)
This is one of those ideas, like "push technology" and "micropayments", which fail because the people who benefit are separate from those who absorb the costs. Only in a monopoly situation can that work.
Pulling out boot, applying to ass. Man, I hate monday's. Gracias for the grammar correction.
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From an article that says Cisco "controls" most of the routers on the Internet?
"Manufactures", sure. "provides the software used to operate", sure. But "controls"? Yeah, like Ford controls most of the pickups on the streets of North America, all at once, by remote control, without even looking at the roads.
All those drunken speeders who get busted on the show Cops on TV? Yep, just helpless passengers in vehicles controlled by the auto manufacturers. Because whatever you build and sell, you control after the sale. There's no selling something and turning over control to the buyer. That just never happens.
I hope y'all appreciate this, I had a bitch of a time getting the stupid /. filters to accept this.
... What'd I say?
The Monorail Song
Lyle Lanley: Well, sir, there's nothing on earth Like a genuine, Bona fide, Electrified, Six-car Monorail!
Ned Flanders: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
Patty+Selma: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail!
[crowd chants `Monorail' softly and rhythmically]
Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud...
Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud.
Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend?
Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.
Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs?
Lyle Lanley: You'll all be given cushy jobs.
Abe: Were you sent here by the devil?
Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level.
Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can.
Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man.
I swear it's Springfield's only choice...
Throw up your hands and raise your voice!
All: [singing] Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: Once again...
All: Monorail!
Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken...
Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!
All: [singing] Monorail!
Monorail!
Monorail!
[big finish]
Monorail!
Homer: Mono... D'oh
The antidote for misuse of freedom of speech is more freedom of speech.
-- Molly Ivins
I'm going to blame it on the GNAA. I knew those bastards' so called harmless fun would come back to bite us all in the ass.
There's a growing sense that even if The Future comes,
most of us won't be able to afford it.
-- Lemmy
Do you know how much fiber in North America is not being used right now?
If Intel's CTO really said that its time for him to be fired. Except that he didn't. What he really said is this
Planetlab isn't an alternative to anything. Its not even a network really. Its a research testbed, for people who want to evaluate their protocols on more realistic network conditions than the LAN in their labs. Its a good tool to help design the next generation Internet, but Plantlab in itself isn't going to do anything.
I know this because I happen to be one of the people who does network research on Planetlab, and one of those 429 happens to sit on a table across the room from me right now.
[sweet innocent voice]
You see, it's merely a coincidence that people happen to be able to share illegal content on top of P2P Software. And if someone were to actually do such a thing, well then it would be their mean nastry content that was illegal! It's not our fault! We just made a sweet innocent piece of P2P software and all sorts of wonderful features, there's no mean nasty illegal content inside P2P Software itself! We are all sugar and spice and everything nice!
[/sweet innocent voice]
i'm the jedidiahmarkfoster your parents warned you about
Intel should be predicting the death of their Itanics. Well Intel better have some netcraft graphs showing WWW is dead.
But just to be sure I'm going to be running the last website on a vax, running bsd, which I installed off a dvd.
We will phase out the WWW and replace it with the XXX. I'm always ready for new technology.
Know your pads. One time pad: good for cryptography. Two timing pad: where to take your mistress.
I see a market for maybe five WWW's in the world.
not Duke, you daft wankers
That's like Nicholas Carr saying Information Technology will become a commodity and no longer have a creative and innovative form. IMHO, it seems like they want to put fear into people so that they would buy or invest more. I would like to see what are the possible scenarios that can occur and what would be the reasons behind them.
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I predict PlanetLab will replace WWW at about the same time IPv6 replaces IPv4.
I wonder if this has any relationship to the Internet2 academic network that's been going on for a while with nodes at various universities, incl. my alma mater. http://www.internet2.edu/
Should be:
d, d, d, d o u
d, d, d o u
d, d, d o u
hth, hand
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Intel is issuing PR to keep their name in the papers. They are using the media to create artificial "news". Intel has been losing market share, and rather than see their stock plummet, they make baseless claims to lead the public into believing that we can't live without Intel's leadership.
Frankly, I think Intel should sink more time and effort into R&D, and bring products to market that the public wants to buy.
When a company is in trouble, they usually do everything they can to focus attention away from their products and performance. It'll be interesting to see what Intel does in the next few months.
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WWW has already killed the audio CD, and now it will also die? What next?!
Sincerely,
Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
"Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
...from the "trying to maintain relevance" department.
But Officer, I DID read the f**king article!
Well nothing is eternal, and once we're born we already know that all got our ticket to death. The question is who will die first, Intel or the internet
Is there an insatiable demand for these corny-ass headlines? "Death" of "WWW?" Surely you either don't know that death means, or what WWW is, or, most likely, both.
Stop sensationalizing
"WWW is 'running up on some architectural limitations' that will eventually cause its downfall
into
Death of WWW
you cretins.
And whatever happens, it will not die. It will be extended, sub-classed, XML'd and in general made much more complex than it needs to be and obfuscated and more bandwidth hungry and less us[ful|able], but it will not "die."
Must-not-watch TV!