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How can people say BSD is dying when it has a mascot like this?! Linux needs to get its act together if it's going to compete with the kind of hot chicks and gorgeous babes that BSD has to offer!

You just can't take Linux seriously when its fronted by losers like these. Would you buy software from them? I don't think so! You Linux groupies need to find some sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. I mean are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?!

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Don't you wish you could get one of these? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

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How can people say BSD is dying when it has a mascot like this?! Linux needs to get its act together if it's going to compete with the kind of hot chicks and gorgeous babes that BSD has to offer!

You just can't take Linux seriously when its fronted by losers like these. Would you buy software from them? I don't think so! You Linux groupies need to find some sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. I mean are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?!

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Don't you wish you could get one of these? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

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Furthermore, no license costs are incurred for the installation on multiple machines or for software subject to the GPL (General Public License).

on their 10 reasons to switch page. Cool.

WS price starts at 179$, and AS price at 1499$ for the Intel x86 platform.

I did the beta for RH3 on the zSeries - The sales guy told me this is the subscription price, per year, per machine, for the software. I've got a zSeries emulator running on a thinkpad - so that would have been two copies, one x86 the other zSeries running inside for that alone. It is really sad when it was cheaper to set up a partnership with one of the other distros than get licenses for just the machines in my cubespace.

Manditory support contract? Dumb, dumb, dumb... And this comes from someone who bought at least one box set every major rev since the 6.x series.

I've never understood why people care about the iso thing. You can do a ftp install off of two floppies, or burn the ftp/http/etc install cdrom and use that.

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How can people say BSD is dying when it has a mascot like this?! Linux needs to get its act together if it's going to compete with the kind of hot chicks and gorgeous babes that BSD has to offer!

You just can't take Linux seriously when its fronted by losers like these. Would you buy software from them? I don't think so! You Linux groupies need to find some sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. I mean are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?!

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you could have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin or a gay looking goat! Don't you wish you could get one of these? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

How can people say BSD is dying when it has a mascot like this?! Linux needs to get its act together if it's going to compete with the kind of hot chicks and gorgeous babes that BSD has to offer!

You just can't take Linux seriously when its fronted by losers like these. Would you buy software from them? I don't think so!You Linux groupies need to find some sexy girls like her! I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she excite you? I know this little hottie puts me in need of a cold shower! This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. As you can see, no man can resist this sexy little minx. I mean are you telling me you wouldn't like to get your hands on this ass?!

With sexy chicks like the lovely Ceren you will have people queuing up to buy open source products. Could you really refuse to buy a copy of BSD if she told you to? Come on, you must admit she is better than an overweight penguin! Don't you wish you could get one of these? Personally I know I would give my right arm to get this close to such a divine beauty!

Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!

SamsungContact
SuSE Openexchange Server
Oracle Collaboration Suite
and
Lotus Notes

are viable products that don't rely on AD and MSFT-products.

I use qmail for myself, but it's not something for people who need calendaring.
Disclaimer: my company re-sells SuSE's product.

I'd post more, but I have to save my bandwidth for downloading half a gig of patches for one of Win2K's lunix contemporaries.

Is the cognitive dissonance kicking in yet? Are you feeling compelled to slap this as a troll, rather than actually looking into how many patches there are for lunix systems? Do we care about the lunixatics that got rooted by ssh or sendmail vulnerabilities down the years? Can we even acknowledge their existence? Do we remember the FSF's ftp server getting hax0red out from under them?

Hello? Hello?

No Go!

ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/x86_64

That is the correct URL

SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 8 for AMD64 has been around for a long time. That's why it was used in all of those Opteron benchmarks after it was released.

For something a little more affordable, SUSE 9.0 for AMD64 will be released tomorrow. (Along with the IA32 version I preordered)

For a no-cost alternative, you can download all 9 ISOs for the SUSE 8.2 for AMD64 beta here.

Linux was the first OS around to support AMD64. Even before it was called AMD64. WTF does "optimized for them" mean? GCC also supports it, and has 31337 CPU-specific optimisations for it, too.

You'll note that you can buy RedHat AS for AMD 64 here, and Suse here.

And for those following along at home: is he/she a troll or a moron?

Are avalible from SuSE, Gentoo, and Debian!

SO if you are complaining "theres no 64 bit os yet", stop complaining, leave the evil empire behind and see the REAL power of opensource.

Midway through the article we see this. What's this, chopped liver?

"Not yet available: software for 64 bits

Although AMD has published a list with many details on the Athlon-64 support, there are few software publishers who plan over the medium term to offer applications for true 64-bit operation.

In video the Divx encoder for MPEG-4 will be available shortly in a final version for 64-bit. Game producers in general are also hesitant: although according to AMD, producers like Epic, Valve, Crytek and SCI offer games based on 64-bit code. Companies such as ID Software, who are responsible for titles like Quake3 and Unreal Tournament 2003, are not ready to jump onto the 64-bit bandwagon.

In what timeframe Microsoft will be able to bundle its final version of Windows XP 64 with systems is currently unknown. However, we can assume that an operating system will be ready before summer 2004. The pre-alpha version of Windows XP 64 that we use came with only a few drivers integrated."

... exploitable

http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-security/2003-S ep/0127.html

get your things straighten out first, befor posting bullocks and fud out on such a huge site as slashdot, where all them morons dont think for themselves and are about to start a panic in the sight of a supposedly ssh exploit...

jeeezuz, the nerds and morons used to have way higher IQs in the past than today....

Yes. Yes. Yes. Of course you can, you dolt.

Yast is Open Source, but not GPL. You can view the licence here
You can get a full version of SuSE (equivilent of Pro edition) from the ftp site.
The only thing you don't get is commercial applications like Mainactor. Yast is a pretty good tool, allowing central administration of the system from one place. Yes it has some bugs, but current versions work very well.

I've downloaded gigs and gigs of stuff.

Hey sort of like these operating systems ;)

Ohh, let's!

Gates Foundation - Charity or Strategy?
Microsoft Marketing Brings New Business and New Skeptics
Microsoft Donates "State of the Art" NT Systems To Mac Stalwart, Dartmouth
Defying a Microsoft World View
Special Report: MS Settlement under fire
COMMENTARY ISSUED ON OPEN SOURCE AND THE MICROSOFT DONATION IN SA
Your taxes are paying for the pricing practices of a proprietary monopoly.

I hate to break it to you, but the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation isn't Microsoft. They are completely different entities.

And a change of pace:
SuSE Linux Donates Software to Allentown, Pennsylvania Schoolchildren

In fact, in my opinion, CodeWeavers may even be working with Microsoft.

CodeWeavers' most promoted product is Crossover Office, which allows MS Office to run on Linux.

Does this help Linux and hurt Microsoft? No . . . quite the opposite, in fact. Microsoft wants Linux users running MS Office, because that keeps them locked in to Microsoft file formats while Microsoft prepares the .Net version of Office.

On the Xandros home page, the main heading states:

> Xandros Desktop now runs Microsoft Office XP

On the SuSE Linux Desktop page, one of the major benefits listed is:

> Codeweaver Crossover Office for the integration of MS Office

Notice how they don't say "for running Lotus Notes," or "for running Windows applications." They only talk about MS Office.

How did CodeWeavers manage to get Office working correctly when so many others had failed? How did they work out Microsoft's secret/obfuscated calls? Did they get help?

Or if they hacked the calls, why hasn't Microsoft sued CodeWeavers under the DMCA (or the "only run with Windows" clause in the licenses)? After all, Microsoft sued another company who made it possible to run MS FoxPro on Linux.

What argument did CodeWeavers use to convince people to LGPL the Wine source? They used the envy-based "we don't want others to profit from our work" argument. Have you ever heard a real Open Source developer say that? I haven't. Open Source developers may talk about how the GPL protects the source from companies like Microsoft, but part of the reason for Open Sourcing your software is the hope that others might profit from it.

Where have I heard the envy-based "surely you don't want others profitting from your work" argument? It was a common refrain by Microsoft astroturfers, who were trying to convince us that the Open Source development model will fail.

Was there a danger in using a BSD license for Wine? Not really. Since the purpose of Wine is to allow closed source applications to run on Linux, it matters little if those applications include some extra code from Wine.

What was the main result of changing the Wine license to LGPL? It hurt Linux! Here's how...

The biggest area where Linux is lacking applications is not office software. It's games! And when the Wine license was changed to LGPL, it prevented most Windows games developers from using it! Unlike Office software, for speed and other reasons, games need to include some library code, not just link to it.

What do you think the fuss was about? Why do you think many game manufacturers are working with Transgaming, instead of using the LGPL'd version of Wine? Now you know, and I thank Transgaming for their part in protecting the BSD'd version of Wine.

So, to summarize, CodeWeaver's involvement in Wine has:

1) Made them money.
2) Helped Microsoft create an MS Office lock-in on Linux.
3) Hurt Linux by making it harder to port games.

Anyone know if SuSE have any RPMs for i386? I found some for x86-64 but didn't notice any for my Barton :<

If you want a user friendly, awesome Linux, go use RedHat, SuSe, or Yellow Dog Linux.

YDL is the -best- Linux, IMO. It kicks some serious ass.

there are a ton of anti-Microsoft people out there who would love to see Microsoft go down in flames, and Linux take its place.

So... exit Microsoft Corp, stage left; enter Linux Corp, stage right? Have I got the picture?

But Linux isn't a corporation; and Linus would happily agree that Linux isn't a person. It has, in its enemies' words, "no centre of gravity", no central bastion to attack. It has no war-chest, no lawyers, no production facilities. If it is distributed from France or Germany, it isn't because of some strategic global plan, it's just where the distributors happened to live.

In short, while you can happily replace MS-Windows with Linux, there is nothing to replace Microsoft itself.

Yeehah! (-:

No one will answer you....

Probably because nobody can be bothered to respond to such an imbecilic remark. Sendmail and postfix are Mail Transport Agents, not Groupware. If you wanted to compare Exchange with a Linux equivalent, then there have been umpteen threads here in the past on the topic. This one, for example. Personally, I like this one but it isn't free. (At least not free as in beer. It's built on top of similar software to the free ones though.)

But do go on comparing apples with oranges if you wish. It doesn't hurt anyone, and it gives many of us a sense of smug superiority.

I can not complain about having to patch sendmail for the same

I'm so sorry, but you seem to be reading an imaginary slashdot thread in your own head, as opposed to this one, which is about the security holes in Sendmail and how using Postfix may be a better approach because of what a pain it is to keep it updated?

Perhaps you'd like to share your imaginary one with the rest of us and entertain us all some more?

Mandrake is a product of MandrakeSoft.

UnitedLinux is the parent company of SUSE, the European arm which produces SUSE Linux. There is also the Asian arm, TurboLinux, and the South American/Latin arm, Conectiva. Yep, all these major distributions fall under the same parent company. So you're pretty accurate in asserting that there's only a few big players as far as corporations go.

... or maybe they're punishing AMD for assisting Linux? ( SuSE Enterprise and Gentoo ( near the top of the page ) )

AMD simply doesn't DARE make AMD64 chips in volume until MS releases an AMD64 version of their OSs, and delaying the SP that coincides with AMD64-capability-in-MS-Windows means knocking-out a, what, a half-billion bottom-line $$ from AMD?

.. and yeah, I realize Gentoo's doing it on their own, but it must burn MS to see Linux gaining ground on kit that MS didn't authorize, and this'll hurt AMD deeply more than it'll give-ground to Linux, IF AMD obeys and doesn't release quantity AMD64 processors until MS allows it to...

And No, I don't believe for an instant that that could be the primary motivation, but it could have been an internal-to-MS political tipping-point, since that is the way authority-politics works...

Redhat
Debian
SuSe
Apple
Linux-Mandrake
Gentoo
FreeBSD

On a Mac, I have:

• Mac OS X (who knew?)
• BSD via Darwin or OpenBSD if you prefer.
• Linux (Suse, Mandrake, Yellow Dog and probably more that I've missed).
• BeOS for PowerPC
• And, of course, good old Virtual PC which, despite being now owned by Microsoft is still a great product, and allows you to run *any* x86-compatible OS on your Mac. And since most of the other OSs you mentioned (OS/2, AtheOS etc) are either old or low-resource, there will be negligible speed hit

In fact, I would go so far as to say that the Mac is the most-compatible platform out there. Personally, I have six different OSs on my Mac right now (Mac OS X, Mac OS 9.1, 9.2.2, Mandrake Linux, Win98 SE and PC-DOS). And that's not even breaking a sweat.

> What's Debian GNU/Linux problem?

_Certification_. Debian is not certified to run lots of commercial products. And vendors deny to support this configuration.

I don't know why this guy are crying when FreeBSD gets only one year of support, SuSE gets 2 years(with no warranties) and Mandrake one year and a half(only for base packages).

If you need long time life distribution you should paid for it. Enterprise distributions like SuSE and Red Hat get five years of support and Mdk gets three.

But if you are a brave , you can make it yourself. This is Open/Free software ;-)

SuSe is cheaper than AS, how much cheaper i do not know. but unlike most distro's they offer an "Enterprise Edition."

They also offer priced to fit support, and now have the backing of IBM and Sun, and they support oracle.

and this is coming from a Gentoo zealot.

If you want an easier install procedure, IBM backup and it's certified by the US ministry of Defence? Get SuSE. It's a really well organised distro (better than RH, as I've found out) Good luck with your quest.

Which end is up?
More evidence that this remains unknown in the alternate universe known as SCO.

On their website, SCO's display of "unity" with other Linux companies is beyond ironic,
and fits nicely with the continuing public FTP of the Linux code SCO is attacking!

SCO is so cah-loo-less that their "United Linux" web page still has a link to SuSE:
http://www.sco.com/unitedlinux

After clicking on the SuSE logo, you can read SuSE's opinion of the actions of their "partner":
http://www.suse.com/us/company/press/press_release s/archive03/sco_redhat.html

Besides greed and belligerence, the general state of consciousness seems to be sub-comatose at SCO.
(Of course, that's not news.)

Contrary to what I first thought, SuSe might get deeper into the game after all. I thought that they'd almost certainly would stay out since they've already shut SCO up in Germany, their primary arena of business I'd presume.

"We applaud their (RedHat -- eddy anm.) efforts to restrict the rhetoric of the SCO group -- and the FUD they are trying to instill -- and will determine quickly what actions SuSE can take to support Red Hat in their efforts. " -- SuSe Press-release

"SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8 on IBM eServer xSeries has earned an Evaluation Assurance Level 2+ certification, commonly referred to as EAL2+. IBM and SuSE also announced today that the companies have filed for a higher level of security certification for SuSE Linux, the Controlled Access Protection Profile with EAL3+ across the IBM eServer product line, which is expected later this year."

According to the press release the certification covers the `SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8 on IBM eServer xSeries', i.e. a specific SuSE product running on a specific family of servers. And nothing else. Read also this bit.

According to the press release the certification covers the `SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8 on IBM eServer xSeries', i.e. a specific SuSE product running on a specific family of servers. And nothing else. Read also this bit.

Their press release.

From that release...

SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8 has achieved Common Criteria Security running on IBM eServer xSeries.

It's still good to see Linux get this certification though. It's another step towards displacing Windows.

Where are these decent drivers you speak of? So far as I know there are none. Granted, this is a problem with Broadcom and not Linksys, but it's fishy to me that their WAP runs linux but that linux cannot be used to run their cards.

XP Home: http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3063039
XP Pro: http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3063019

Apple doesn't do "upgrade editions". Every time they sell a copy of their OS, they sell it as a full retail purchase. It's a bit of a bummer, but considering that their full retail price is a little over half what XP Pro full retail costs, and less than twice what XP Home Upgrade Edition costs, (XP Home is so neutered! Who'd want it?) it's clear that OS X is a bargain.

And, mais bien sur, Mandrake Linux, a worthy competitor to either one, is available for free download or $54 for the Powerpack Edition 7 CD-ROM set or 1 DVD-ROM set. Red Hat, for those who are conscientiously objecting to anything French, can be had without support in the basic pack for $40. For those who don't like Mandrake but do like KDE, SuSE is at the exact price point.

There is also ample evidence, even without MacOS X's liberal use of the codebase, that BSD isn't dying, exaggerated reports to the contrary.

This is great news as I have eagerly awaited the 1.0 version of Kolab since its announcement last October. But in the months that have transpired others have also toiled to produce similar Exchange "killers". Today, we have three relatively new candidates that all claim to be Exchange killers. They are Kolab, SuSE OpenExchange, and the recently announced OpenGroupware.

So, the Open Source world has gone from a complete derth of groupware servers to a seeming abundance of groupware servers and all in just six to nine months. Or has it? How do these different groupware systems compare with each other with respect to features, performance, scalability, ease of use and ease of integration? More importantly, how do these same packages compare with Exchange itself with respect to the same metrics? It would be very nice to see an article that thoroughly reviews and benchmarks these for groupware systems. One final note, to those that may take on the challenge of doing such a review, Exchange is now at version 2003. A review that compares these systems with Exchange 5.5 will be worthless.

One example?

What about the whole friggin' Wall Street companies?

RedHat + Oracle are running many critical parts of Merryl-Lynch, First Boston-Credit Swisse...

Also, the German Parliament runs with Linux servers.

And Banco do Brasil as well.

And many, may others, including the US Army and the Hong Kong's HSBC

What else do you need?

Peace

Is there any other real option for the government? I'm assuming everyone here wants a distro of Linux to be the government's OS of choice. Which one? Red Hat? Are they a large enough company to ensure 24/7 tech support on the governments' 140,000 computers? I don't know, and I don't think the government does either.

Which is why you don't just send some guy down to the local DC branch of CompUSA to pick up a RedHat box. If you look at the USA Today piece referenced in yesterday's /. article you will see that the city of Munich first hired a technology strategist company, Unilog Integrata to look at the situation. This company then reviewed the requirements, outlined various trade-offs in the two options, then recommended the SuSE/IBM option.

You can bet that 24/7 support for 140,000 computers is well within Big Blue's capabilities.

Kroupware looks pretty cool, but its missing an essential (IMO) component: a web-interface. I'd rather go with something like OpenExchange, which is mainly a web-based solution, rather than one that depends on being at a desktop computer with specific software installed. Even though its not free.

Let's not forget about SuSE's OpenExchange Server? We've just started looking at it, and it seems to have functionality from both camps you mentioned.

So tempting to mod you down like the troll you are but why not bite instead.

If you just go to this little link right here you'll find a very easy to use Office app that you can install in a few clicks on Windows, Solaris or Linux. And not only does it not have to be compiled, it doesn't cost your money or freedom either!

Or perhaps you'd like the entire linux OS, free of licensing, without having to compile a single thing. Here are just a few examples.

• MS Exchange Server (server end; NT only), MS Outlook (client end; Win32, MacOS). Very limited support of open-protocol clients (IMAP, webmail?). Microsoft Corp. wants to sell you Exchange 2000, these days, but Exchange 5.5 is still very common.

• Lotus Notes / Domino (server end, Linux supported), Lotus Notes (client end; Win32, MacOS). Limited webmail access (iNotes).

• Novell Groupwise. http://www.novell.com/products/groupwise/ Server end runs on either Novell NetWare 5/6 or WinNT. Client end is proprietary Win32 client or webmail. A native Linux client is under development.

• SuSE Linux Openexchange Server (formerly SuSE Linux eMail Server). Standard, good open-source components (Postfix, Apache, Cyrus IMAP, OpenLDAP, OpenSSL) preconfigured to work well with one another, plus a couple of proprietary components: YaST2 for graphical administration, and SkyrixGreen for integrated scheduling and group discussions (shared folders). Client access from any OS, including but not limited to webmail. A full-functional trial version (lacking only "maintenance") is available for US $20 at http://www.suse.com/openexchange/slox_eval_form.ht ml . Sites are known to scale well to at least 1,000 users per site. The largest deployment yet known (March 2003) is 1,900 users.

• Bynari Insight Server, http://www.bynari.net/ . Server end is Linux-based. Intended as a plug-compatible replacement for MS-Exchange Server, based on POP3, IMPA, SMTP, and LDAP, but also with full support for all the special, proprietary MS-Exchange Server RPC-based protocols for group discussion, scheduling, contact management, task lists, etc., when used with MS-Outlook clients. Review: http://linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6734

• Bynari InsightConnector, http://www.bynari.net/ . Extensions that load into MS-Outlook clients to let them perform MS-Exchange-type functions (scheduling, contact-management, public folders) without needing an MS-Exchange server, using only open-standard IMAP, SMTP, and LDAP servers, instead.

• Samsung Contact (formerly HP Openmail), http://samsungcontact.com/en/ . Server end can be Linux-based (or Solaris/AIX). Based on SMTP, IMAP, POP3, LDAP. Supports proprietary protocols for e-mail, scheduling, etc. native to Samsung's Contact client (which is available on Linux and Win32). Webmail access. Implements Microsoft's (documented, for a change) MAPI protocol for scheduling, public folders, offline folders.

• Oracle Collaboration Suite, http://www.oracle.com/ip/deploy/cs/ . Formerly Steltor CorporateTime, http://www.steltor.com/, until that firm's recent acquisition by Oracle. (That product is said to have emerged from Netscape Calendar.) Does IMAP, POP3, SMTP, E-mail, real-time conferences, voicemail, scheduling. Apparently implements all of the special, proprietary MS-Exchange Server RPC-based protocols for group discussion, scheduling, contact management,

have a look at this page.

Not all of the software suggested is "a freebie" as you put it.

One alternative I've found is Suse's OpenExchange which though it sounds Open really isn't. You still have to pay out the Wazoo and what good is a Linux solution you have to pay for? However, if you're willing to pay, it does do everything an Exchange server does.

The poster is right, there is a severe lack of a competing Groupware component for Linux. One thing people can't get over is the fact that you HAVE to have MS on the desktop in the corporate world, a good deal of the alternatives I've researched are completely *nix, both client and server.

We need to admit that an "email solution" doesn't mean pop/smtp anymore. You need full calendaring/appointment scheduling etc. and right now no one provides this in the OSS world. Hell, there aren't many that make a proprietary product that will do this on Linux.

I first saw this story posted this morning on Ask Slashdot and went to read another story first..when I came back it was gone! I searched to find it but to no avail. Now it's back!)