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Assuming some NK hardware is not at least as capable is absurd.

This is 2016, not 1942. The technology for detecting and tracking submerged vessels has improved somewhat in the last 74 years. The North Korean subs are basically vintage 1960s era technology, like much of the rest of their military. They're not going anywhere without being tracked and if they approach the United States they will be sunk, war or no war, because nobody will be watching except the ones doing the shooting. Submarines can be accident prone and the Pacific Ocean has a fearsome reputation among mariners. Nobody would have any problem believing that a North Korean submarine had an "accident" while at sea. In fact, the visibility of submarines at sea to the general public is so low that they United States could essentially deny any knowledge. Finally, the North Koreans are so unsympathetic and unpopular these days that nobody would care what happened to their submarine anyway.

Well... here's some news from 2015 ...

"Where are North Korea's submarines? Whereabouts of fleet which vanished from radar remains a mystery days after Kim Jong Un ends stand-off with the South"

Or this: North Korea's 50 Missing Submarines Have Apparently Reappeared Following Truce

Because we're not dicks

Citation needed

We're not panicky bitches that live in fear of the latest bogeyman: The Blacks, The Chinese, The Chicanos, The Germans, The Russians, Vietnam, North Korea, Iraq, Iran, "Terrorists"... We're much more relaxed because our world is a reflection of our chillness, yours is a reflection of your anger and conquest mentality.

We wouldn't need the world's largest standing military, so a lot of those expenses go away.

As the world's 6th largest economy, you might want the world's 10th or so largest military though, putting you right back where you started. Unless of course you think the US is going to rescue you.

Well, since we have more working brain cells by not living in a continuous state of fear, we can work with the higher brain sections rather than just the amygdala, so can more logically analyze our defense needs. We have the USA to our right, lets presume they won't attack because we are a great trading partner and the source of most of their food especially during winter, so the Eastern and Northern flanks are covered. To the south, we have Mexico, not a huge military power and not bent on conquest, so our Southern border is safe as well. On the East, we have the Pacific Ocean, not easy to attack us there and the USians with their great fear of everything will not let anything approach us on that coast. We'll be trading like crazy, buying and selling shit so everyone will love us. China doesn't want to project power beyond its immediate borders, not militarily anyway, so who would really be coming at us from the West? Not much need I think for anything larger than maybe the 25th nation's military, which is really not a whole hell of a lot.

We could bill the USA government for the land and naval bases they'd want to still have access to, which would bring us yet more money.

Maybe, maybe not. The US maintains foreign military bases where its national interests lie. This does raise a couple of interesting questions, though: (1) would all the civilian employees at California military bases be fired and replaced by US citizens; and (2) would all the "California citizens" in the military be discharged because they're no longer US citizens?

We can demand that they vacate the bases or use all Californian employees for anything other than officers and enlisted personnel. We'll tax the shit out of them for the right to be on our land. California Citizens could make a choice and be Californians or USians, then they'll be treated accordingly. We may or may not allow dual-citizenship.

We'd legalize all drugs, making us a tourism Meca. We might have to set up a yuuge wall though, to keep out all the desperate USians wanting to immigrate to the land of milk and honey.

I think you meant "Mecca" and "emigrate", but whatever. Like all the desperate UAians wanting to emigrate to The Netherlands for the legal drugs? It's one thing to visit for a few days for the high; another to decide you want to live in the People's Republic of California. I suppose it would be a boon to all the emergency room operators, like it's been in Colorado.

Thanks for the correction, I wasn't sure about the spelling of "Mecca", I did mean immigrate as I was speaking from my POV, not yours. They would be immigrants to us. So you're saying we don't need to build a yuuge wall? Great, saves us money. Yeah, we'd have problems with the tourists but, hey! if they want to spend some money for an unnecessary emergency room visit, why should we care? Their money, assuming the dollar survives, will be acceptable or exchangeable everywhere.

Stay awesome tsqr!

Because we're not dicks

Citation needed

We wouldn't need the world's largest standing military, so a lot of those expenses go away.

As the world's 6th largest economy, you might want the world's 10th or so largest military though, putting you right back where you started. Unless of course you think the US is going to rescue you.

We could bill the USA government for the land and naval bases they'd want to still have access to, which would bring us yet more money.

Maybe, maybe not. The US maintains foreign military bases where its national interests lie. This does raise a couple of interesting questions, though: (1) would all the civilian employees at California military bases be fired and replaced by US citizens; and (2) would all the "California citizens" in the military be discharged because they're no longer US citizens?

We'd legalize all drugs, making us a tourism Meca. We might have to set up a yuuge wall though, to keep out all the desperate USians wanting to immigrate to the land of milk and honey.

I think you meant "Mecca" and "emigrate", but whatever. Like all the desperate UAians wanting to emigrate to The Netherlands for the legal drugs? It's one thing to visit for a few days for the high; another to decide you want to live in the People's Republic of California. I suppose it would be a boon to all the emergency room operators, like it's been in Colorado.

I miss the days of being able to Google/Infoseek/Altavista/whatever whatever the hell I wanted, and not even REMOTELY or subconsiously worry about someone finding out about it and:

1 - Blackmailing me

2 - Government agents knocking on my door

All that mattered was finding information to satisfy curiosity. Now, my freaking TELEVISION is a permanently-on microphone being used to sell everything about me (per their own ToS!) to the manufacturer, to "business partners", and "third-party affiliates" and everyone else under the sun.

Remember when you first read the Anarchists Cookbook, as a kid? It didn't mean you were gonna blow up a school. It was just cool, stupid stuff to read. But now, you might as well be asking for a visit from federal agents. And it's been statistically proven that I'm no edge case, and that people aren't searching a variety of topics they used to.

https://motherboard.vice.com/e...

We've passed from the Information Age of citizens using nearly infinite information to better themselves, into the age of Big Data wherein ALL INFORMATION no matter how conceptually small, must be tracked and exploited by billion dollar corporations and shady governments. And with every sensor and internet connection shrinking in price, the cost of tracking our every biometric data, every thought, every action, everything is now quickly becoming registered in a database... and we're just supposed to "trust" and have "faith" that these gigantic actors won't abuse their power, or, accidentally LEAK that same data.

It's no damn coincidence that hackers are worth big money now. Information is literal power. And any information that you take from citizens, the more valuable, the more likely someone will steal it--just like any valuable physical object. So our governments may not "abuse" tracking our every move, but SOMEONE will. If you build it, they will come. You can't stack untold amounts of valuable information into a single vault, and not expect a robber to sneak in during the night.

Sharing passwords/login credentials? I thought that sharing online passwords is a crime under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (1986): https://motherboard.vice.com/e...

Its almost enough to make one question the faith of libertarianism.
When a company named after Ayn Rand's own theology turns out to be just another Galt's Gulch of perfidy, what hope is there?

Motherboard actually had an interesting article pointing out that VPNs actually aren't all that great for routine browsing: https://motherboard.vice.com/e...

All its doing is moving your identifable traffic from the IPS to the VPN provider. The VPN provider can still sell your browsing habits.

Motherboard actually had an interesting article pointing out that VPNs actually aren't all that great for routine browsing: https://motherboard.vice.com/e...

By now they should have learned that mod points are a fixed quantity.
While I can never run out of copy/paste.

The so-called "regressive left" is excessively, stupidly tolerant - but that's still not regressive.

It's not a logical, rational definition, based on arguments or proofs of "regression". It's a code.

Regressive Left

The term was coined by British politician Maajid Nawaz as a label for those on the left who would jump at the chance to attack an idea or person for expressing an idea.
Calling any challenge of Islamic beliefs as "Islamaphobia," in particular, is considered part and parcel with regressive lefties.

Agree with the sentiment or not, Nawaz presented his measured argument for the phrase reasonably and soberly.
Naturally, all nuance has since been divorced from the term, and it is now indiscriminately used against any utterance of the left.

Do note the complete "divorce" of the origin and actual meaning of the term from how it is used in this very thread.
Neither you nor the OP even mentioned religion.
It's a code now. And it means different, generalized, things to different people.
You know... like "states' rights", "cutting taxes", "busing", "birth certificates"...

There... as good as new.
While a pathetic poor little snowflake troll cries over wasted mod-points in mom's basement somewhere.
Sad.

The so-called "regressive left" is excessively, stupidly tolerant - but that's still not regressive.

It's not a logical, rational definition, based on arguments or proofs of "regression". It's a code.

Regressive Left

The term was coined by British politician Maajid Nawaz as a label for those on the left who would jump at the chance to attack an idea or person for expressing an idea.
Calling any challenge of Islamic beliefs as "Islamaphobia," in particular, is considered part and parcel with regressive lefties.

Agree with the sentiment or not, Nawaz presented his measured argument for the phrase reasonably and soberly.
Naturally, all nuance has since been divorced from the term, and it is now indiscriminately used against any utterance of the left.

Do note the complete "divorce" of the origin and actual meaning of the term from how it is used in this very thread.
Neither you nor the OP even mentioned religion.
It's a code now. And it means different, generalized, things to different people.
You know... like "states' rights", "cutting taxes", "busing", "birth certificates"...

"'Verified' Is Now a Derogatory Term on Twitter... for rightards."

You know... Like liberal, feminist, socialist, immigrant, Muslim, Jew, black, literate, educated... and all other dog whistling insults that rightard cowards are using cause they don't have the balls to say what they really mean.
Sad.

In 1981, former Republican Party strategist Lee Atwater, when giving an anonymous interview discussing the GOP's Southern Strategy (see also Lee Atwater on the Southern Strategy), said:[19][20]

        You start out in 1954 by saying, "Ni99er, ni99er, ni99er."
By 1968, you can't say "ni99er" - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff.
You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that.
But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other.
You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Ni99er, ni99er."
        -âLee Atwater, Republican Party strategist in an anonymous interview in 1981

also, now that I'm on a roll here, more from FLORIDA - DEADLY ILLEGAL BUTT INJECTIONS

good god people, Fix-a-Flat, WTFx10^6!

...garbage disposal and off-shore drilling too! Come on women, WTF!

Good point, much like one in a Camille Paglia interview published yesterday.

It is an absolute outrage how so many pampered, affluent, upper-middle-class professional women chronically spout snide anti-male feminist rhetoric, while they remain completely blind to the constant labor and sacrifices going on all around them as working-class men create and maintain the fabulous infrastructure that makes modern life possible in the Western world. Only a tiny number of women want to enter the trades where most of the nitty-gritty physical work is actually going on—plumbing, electricity, construction. Women have played virtually no role in the erection of those magnificent towers in every major city in the world. It's men who operate the cranes or set the foundations or wash windows on the 85th floor. It's men who troop out at 2:00 AM during an ice storm to restore power to neighborhoods where falling trees have brought down live wires. It's men who mix the stinking, toxic cauldrons to spread steaming hot tar on city roofs. Last year in a nearby town, I drove by a huge, chaotic scene where emergency workers in hazmat suits were struggling with a giant pipe break, as raw sewage was pouring into the street. Of course all those workers up to their knees in a torrent of thick brown water were men! I've seen figures indicating that 92 per cent of people killed on the job are men—and it's precisely because men are heroically doing most of the dangerous jobs in modern society...

But if he truly thinks he's innocent, he's got nothing to lose.

I think he does. For the same reason that good lawyers tell you to never speak to the police when you've been arrested.

I call bullshit. Sounds like "Dream Arcades" is trying to find out creative ways to announce that they will jack up their refurbishment prices--and their profit margins...

1) An Indian manufacturer named "Videocon" still manufactures CRTs. So, while it's not Sony or some other high-quality manufacturer, they are still making them. In fact, as of a year ago, they were accepting leaded CRT glass for recycling into new CRT TVs. https://resource-recycling.com...
2) There's a warehouse in Columbus, OH, which will likely become an EPA superfund site, that was run by an electronics recycler called Closed Loop--which went bankrupt. It's full of old CRTs that I can imagine could be reused with some minor disassembly & testing. https://motherboard.vice.com/e...

As TFA https://motherboard.vice.com/e... says, half of them go to abandoned warehouses in the US. The other half go to Africa and India http://gizmodo.com/e-hell-on-e... where low-paid, unprotected workers burn off the insulation and plastic parts to get the copper. I've seen articles about this in the New Scientist and elsewhere.

Well, that only works when the economics of shipping them to China/India/Africa/wherever are favorable. They've been running into issues the last few years that have made the economics turn unfavorable, so more and more they'll likely just end up in the US (or Europe - e.g near the source) somewhere.

As TFA https://motherboard.vice.com/e... says, half of them go to abandoned warehouses in the US. The other half go to Africa and India http://gizmodo.com/e-hell-on-e... where low-paid, unprotected workers burn off the insulation and plastic parts to get the copper. I've seen articles about this in the New Scientist and elsewhere.

Better realize that the only thing that modern feminism supports is their own supremacist ideology. Because feminists supporting castration? Yeah that exists. Then there's the ones that support killing large segments of the male population because "reasons." And then there's the ones that support infanticide of male babies, and the other ones that are in support of using abortion directly against male babies. Then there's the feminists who are openly in support of FGM because you can't speak out against that backwards culture that believes in it. All the while supporting the same people who beat their wives is fine, as long as they aren't western.

Perhaps it's time to get out of your bubble.

Meanwhile, the DNC is on Signal.

Speaking only for myself, yes, I'll be mad at them if they're trying to evade the Presidential Records Act or similar, whichever party is doing this. I won't, however, just make blind assumptions or blame either party for trying to be secure. That said, insider threats are the big threats and for that it doesn't matter how securely the messages are delivered to the mole.

Except he most likely did, considering the files were taken down last week, not last year. TFS has it wrong (though it says last week later in the summary).

Ok, thanks for agreeing, that Rolling Stone is out. What about others pushing the fake news of "campus rape epidemic"? Like Vice? Note their wording: "Undeniably Massive Study Confirms Campus Rape Is an Undeniable, Massive Problem," — yep, the "undeniable" is repeated twice, almost as if article were about Global Warming...

Vice has an article titled "Countries that Use Tor Most Are Either Highly Repressive or Highly Liberal," that you might want to read.

"The results show that, controlling for other relevant factors, political repression does drive usage of the Tor network," Jardine writes.

Bridges had the strongest association with political repression. "Moving from a country like Burkina Faso (political repression equals 8) to a country like Uzbekistan (political repression equals 14) results in an increase of around 212.58 Tor bridge users per 100,000 Internet users per year," the paper reads.

If that were the only reason to use Tor you would be absolutely right. But my understanding is that Tor is also used (used more in fact) in countries where the governments will throw you in jail or kill you for the only reason of trying to exercise free speech. Those governments can employ the same tactics to find and jail political dissenters. And that would be a shame. It would be nice to be able to figure out the wheat from the chaff. But there are many governments that I wouldn't want making that determination, including the one being lead by the latest POTUS. In fact Tor might become a necessity for free speech in the USA soon.

one could easily argue that the Trump photo was taken at a different time

Yes, you could "easily" argue that, but you would be factually wrong. The photos I saw were taken within 5 minutes of the exact same time on their respective inauguration day.

I'll admit the possibility that the crowds were smaller if you admit the possibility that time stamps can be faked.

many people don't know what to believe.

This is by design. Again, you have to remember which power structure is ascendant in an age when "many people don't know what to believe". It is not a coincidence and it is not accidental.

Agreed, it is not accidental. Is it the dying throws of a corrupt disease in the process of being purged or is it the overthrow of an generally good government?

Right now I'm leaning towards Trump because I've yet to personally meet a violent, irrational Trump supporter

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/art...

I said the word PERSONALLY for a reason, there are extreme cases on both sides, neither of which are justified.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

one could easily argue that the Trump photo was taken at a different time

Yes, you could "easily" argue that, but you would be factually wrong. The photos I saw were taken within 5 minutes of the exact same time on their respective inauguration day.

many people don't know what to believe.

This is by design. Again, you have to remember which power structure is ascendant in an age when "many people don't know what to believe". It is not a coincidence and it is not accidental.

Right now I'm leaning towards Trump because I've yet to personally meet a violent, irrational Trump supporter,

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/art...

Apparently we've forgotten the folks (San Bernardino, etc) who had "clear evidence of ISIS sympathies" on their Facebook profiles and other public social media

More alt-facts. There was literally no public information on their accounts to suggest daesh sympathies.

FBI Says San Bernardino Suspects Did Not Pledge to Wage Jihad on Social Media

At a press conference in New York on Wednesday, FBI Director James Comey said that no evidence had been found to indicate that the couple who massacred 14 people in San Bernardino, California, on December 2 were members of a terrorist cell or had any contact with overseas militant groups. Most notably, he said that Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and his 29-year-old wife, Tashfeen Malik, had expressed support for "jihad and martyrdom" in private communications but never did so on social media. ...

The only "barriers" that exist are those created by Republican politicians.

Then explain why California has such a crappy broadband law. It does seem that deep Red states have the worst laws (outright bans), but the major ISPs are "friends" of every government and are just as happy with planting minefields. As long as it stops municipalities from solving the last mile, it's a good deal for them.

The U.S. overthrow of Ukraine is no more disputable than the fact that the U.S. government lied through its teeth on Iraq's WMD's. Hillary's stooge Victoria Nuland is on video bragging about spending $5 billion to manipulate the Ukrainian government - and then Democrats whine about Russian interference in their own elections. The legislature failed to get the necessary number of votes to impeach the president, but the US immediately recognized the legitimacy of the coup after the president was forced to flee for his life.

So go fuck yourself, you sucker of anti-semetic fascist cock, you.

And somebody calls me anti-semitic in 3.. 2.. 1... The IDF has been seen to use any excuse at all to attack gaza and further its illegal settlements. During the last round of attacks, there was an extended premise of "searching" for three teenagers whom the IDF already knew were dead. Israel is slipping further and further into fascism, not according to its enemies, but its own forner officials. https://news.vice.com/article/... Zionist trolls live in a post-fact based reality. This is where you call me an anti semite again.

Back in 2007, Vice President Dick Cheney had his pacemaker's wireless functionality disabled.

Ah, the good old days when the veep shooting his friend in the face with a shotgun and refusing to apologize was considered a scandal.

The article did not specify, but I don't think the district of East Texas will take very kindly to this sort of ruling, as there is money to be made from the Law. Judge Rodney Gilstrap in particular might be a bit upset.

Yup.
https://munchies.vice.com/en/articles/a-florida-chef-is-inciting-a-class-war-over-ketchup

If this is so simple, and it's been an issue for years, then why not even one single proof of concept. Nobody wants to control their power bill? ISIS just waiting for the right time to kill us all? In terms of credibility this is right up there with "Hackers can turn your home computer into a BOMB... & blow your family to smithereens!".

Nor is it #WhiteGenocide, despite what a certain group whose name rhymes with "halt-bright" would have you believe.

Well now - that escalated quickly!

It isn't just a Pepe' thing. http://madamenoire.com/94265/7...

https://www.vice.com/en_us/art...

That one is a little funny and sad at the same time. College educated woman demands college educated man, but they are starting to get a little hard to find, and that one good catch just isn't ready to settle down yet (at 45!) But rest easy - its still men's fault.

You would be arrested and thrown in jail for endangering the livelihood of some mega corp.

Correct, this could never happen in the US. Definitely, never in a million years.

Or, you could JFDI.

okay... first

dailymail monday to saturday is like the national enquirer.

dailymail sunday edition is a little more reliable.

Second contemporaneous analysis of the leaked documents showed russian language user names and hyperlink error messages in Cyrillic. The supposed romanian hacker couldn't speak romainian as a native. More details below along with hyperlink.

http://motherboard.vice.com/re...

July 25, 2016 // 08:55 AM EST

All Signs Point to Russia Being Behind the DNC Hack

The metadata in the leaked documents are perhaps most revealing: one dumped document was modified using Russian language settings, by a user named âoeÐÐÐÐÐÑ ÐÐмÑfнÐоÐÐÑ,â a code name referring to the founder of the Soviet Secret Police, the Cheka, memorialised in a 15-ton iron statue in front of the old KGB headquarters during Soviet times. The original intruders made other errors: one leaked document included hyperlink error messages in Cyrillic, the result of editing the file on a computer with Russian language settings. After this mistake became public, the intruders removed the Cyrillic information from the metadata in the next dump and carefully used made-up user names from different world regions, thereby confirming they had made a mistake in the first round.

Then there is the language issue. âoeI hate being attributed to Russia,â the Guccifer 2.0 account told Motherboard, probably accurately. The person at the keyboard then claimed in a chat with Motherboard's Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai that Guccifer 2.0 was from Romania, like the original Guccifer, a well-known hacker. But when asked to explain his hack in Romanian, he was unable to respond colloquially and without errors. Guccifer 2.0â(TM)s English initially was also weak, but in subsequent posts the quality improved sharply, albeit only on political subjects, not in technical mattersâ"an indication of a team of operators at work behind the scenes.

Other features are also suspicious. One is timing, as ThreatConnect, another security company, has pointed out in a useful analysis: various timestamps indicate that the Guccifer-branded leaking operation was prompted by the DNCâ(TM)s initial publicity, with preparation starting around 24 hours after CrowdStrikeâ(TM)s report came out. Both APT 28 and Guccifer were using French infrastructure for communications. ThreatConnect then pointed out that both the self-proclaimed hackerâ(TM)s technical statements on the use of 0-day exploits as well as the alleged timeline of the DNC breach are most likely false. Another odd circumstantial finding: sock-puppet social media accounts may have been created specifically to amplify and extend Gucciferâ(TM)s reach, as UK intelligence startup Ripjar told me.

Perhaps most curiously, the Guccifer 2.0 account, from the beginning, was not simply claiming to have breached the DNC networkâ"but claiming that two Russian actors actually were not on the DNC network at the same time. It is common to find multiple intruders in tempting yet badly defended networks. Nevertheless the Guccifer 2.0 account claimed confidently, and with no supporting evidence, that the breach was simply a âoelone hackerââ"a phrasing that seems designed to deflect blame from Russia. Guccifer 2.0â(TM)s availability to the journalists was also surprising, and something new altogether.

The combative yet error-prone handling of the Guccifer account is in line with the GRUâ(TM)s aggressive and risk-taking organizational culture and a wartime mindset prevalent in the Russian intelligence community. Russiaâ(TM)s agencies see themselves as instruments of direct action, working in support of a fragile Russia under siege by the West, especially the United States.

You do realize that if Russia invaded Ukraine it would be Georgia all over again

Well, let's see - Putin already admitted to invading Crimea, so you must be talking about the Donbas. Here's an active duty Russian (Buryat) soldier talking about how he and his tank battalion invaded Ukraine, where he sustained horrific injuries. He was telling his story openly in the Russian papers; afterwards, his mom started complaining that the Russian military is refusing to provide his family with benefits. Here's VICE tracking down another active duty Ukraine invader, in Russia. Here's the download link for the Nemtsov report, detailing loads of evidence of Russian soldiers in Ukraine, up to early 2015 (when Nemtsov was murdered right in front of the Kremlin): http://4freerussia.org/putin.w...

Russia is a nation with one of the most advanced and active space programs

Read up on the dependence of Russian aviation, space, and military companies on Ukrainian parts (incidentally, the top people in the Soviet space program were Ukrainian). That's one of the reasons that Russia invaded Ukraine - they've been disassembling defense factories in Lugansk and Donetsk, and shipping them back to Russia.

you do not understand the legal concept of assault

If Trump's "grabbing pussy" without first obtaining a written permission from the owner was an assault, then so is making somebody "feel unsafe". The relevant dictionary definition is:

threatened or attempted physical attack by someone who appears to be able to cause bodily harm if not stopped

FindLaw.com may disagree with it, but who is going to ask them? Certainly not the people, for who the very election of Donald Trump is an Act of Terrorism.

Not every goddamn thing is about "The Left"

Sure. Not every thing. But this one is...

your prodigious post history.

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They'd be better off completely rebranding themselves so no one knows they're RIM/Blackberry. If I knew a car I was about to buy had Blackberry software in it, I wouldnt buy it, because I know it'd be unsupported very soon.

I'm sure that however it's branded, it will have the enthusiastic support of LEO's everywhere. Yes, governments would just love it if the software in self-driving vehicles came from a company with a proven track record of literally 'handing over the keys' to authorities.

we saw that data was being falsified in advance of a vote to establish an international agreement on carbon taxes during the climategate scandal, by interests positioned to profit from the creation of a carbon tax credits trading exchange (who funded the falsification).

Repeating stupid bullshit doesn't make it true - just ask the lunar conspiracy theorists that have been trying for half a century.

I don't think this is a Trump issue, but a general issue, and while there's so much FUD going about, at least it's bringing attention to the problems inherent in the climate change issue.

It's a reasonable precaution based on what other right-wing incoming administrations have done.

public information if it is being used to justify legislation.

And generally it is - but there's a lot of it. You going to get a bunch of your winger pals together and store all this stuff when a single study can involve terabytes of data, and checksum the shit out of it to make sure none of it is altered?

If that is try why the rush to "back it up"?

So it's not destroyed by an incoming right-wing government.

More than likely what they are doing is hard-coding in changes they want to make to cook the data, back THAT up, then destroying the real raw data.

You don't need the maximum dosage of horseshit pills, the regular dose is more than enough.

I love it when liberal hippies are hypocritical (read: always). I thought it was only the gun-loving rednecks that believed paranoid conspiracy theories about the ill intent of government.

You were saying?

> You mean like how it didn't happen in Australia or Canada?

To backstop that statement, here is some reporting on how it happened in Canada:

The Harper Government Has Trashed and Destroyed Environmental Books and Documents

I seem to recall much information from the intelligence community in the run up to Iraq II which laid out the case as to what they knew..

This seems to be the go-to talking point these days. It's also 100% wrong. The CIA's conclusion was that it could not establish solid connections (either for or against) between Iraq and al-Qaeda or Iraq and WMDs. The Bush administration's response was to create the Office of Special Plans in the Pentagon to "reassess" the intelligence (basically, to make up whatever the hell they wanted). The CIA got it right; the Bush administration deliberately distorted to to pass their agenda.

> No there aren't, at least not in this article.

Yes, the FBI, though they only allude to that in passing. There have been other random anonymous people quoted as disagreeing too. I don't think there's much point in playing the "my anonymous source can beat up your anonymous source" game though.

Which is why the credibility of the reporter quoting the anonymous source matters.

> Because a lot of the evidence comes from confidential sources like CIA spies.

Yeah, no. See, I got over the secret evidence thing back when they used it to manufacture the war in Iraq.

Which is why you should be skeptical of politicians cherry picking and misrepresenting evidence from the CIA.

The CIA itself was a lot more skeptical about the WMDs than Bush implied.

Because that's been well established for months.

If by "well established" you mean that the press keeps reporting that it's true without giving us even one single verifiable fact we could hang our hat on.

Ok here. Unless you want them to personally drop hard drives off at your house I'm not sure what else you expect.

> why do I know you spent eight fucking years posting BOOOOSH!!!! LIED!!!!?

I didn't. But Congress did.

Congress eventually concluded that the Bush administration had "overstated" its dire warnings about the Iraqi threat, and that the administration's claims about Iraq's WMD program were "not supported by the underlying intelligence reporting."
The CIA Just Declassified the Document That Supposedly Justified the Iraq Invasion

Sounds as bad as Coleco Chameleon

This story presents facts about Russia's troll factory in St. Petersburg, just as I have done in numerous previous postings and got hammered by the Russian trolls. Go ahead, check my most recent postings to see how the trolls mindlessly mod me down for reporting facts about this troll factory, about the continuing shipments of cargo 200 from Ukraine (i.e. dead Russian soldiers), the terrorists in Ukraine who openly admit Russian soldiers are fighting there and supplying them with arms and munitions, or the Russian soldiers who state they have been sent to Ukraine and have fought there, and finally, the law which Putin signed which bars Russian mothers from talking about their sons who have died while fighting in Ukraine or even talking with other mothers about these deaths. Or course the graves of these dead Russian soldiers say otherwise, as do reports from eyewitnesses and families.

This story need to be modded down in like fashion. Wouldn't want the Russian trolls to have to see the facts of their dear leader's propaganda industry.

USB keyboards may be a catch22.

Indeed, from TFS: "having been linked to the Arab Spring, the war in Syria and the Boko Haram terrorist insurgency."

No matter where you stand on climate change, linking it to the above is more than a bit of a stretch.

Which brings up a point. If you're serious about doing something about AGW/climate change, articles such as this one move the cause backward, not forward, by giving ammunition to AGM/cc opponents.

Actually, not so much of a stretch. The civil war in Syria was preceded by a massive migration of people from rural to urban areas due to an unprecedented drought:

https://news.vice.com/article/...

Global warming doesn't directly cause civil wars, but migration and the resulting social instability most certainly does, and will.

They barely covered a couple of items of evidence in that.

Fair enough, but there appear to be blatantly fabricated "evidence" from the pizzagaters (photos taken from random websites, etc.). There's a huge difference between innocent mistakes or sloppy journalism, and intentional fabrication. And while we're at it, what ever happened to the Fun Time Kidz Day Care conspiracy?

But hey, maybe you're right and we should take these claims seriously. And since /. doesn't let us delete our posts, we'll have some sort of record of this discussion in a year or two when the whole thing ends -- either with serious prison sentences or with nothing.