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Project Copycat Clones A Cat

texchanchan writes: "'Copying' is not limited to other people's proprietary files. Soon you'll be able to 'share' their prize Siamese. From Yahoo news: "A domestic cat was cloned late last year in a Texas A&M University research program called CopyCat....Cloning research at the university has been funded with more than $3.5 million in investments from John Sperling, an 81-year-old financier who formed Genetic Savings & Clone Inc." (These Texans know how to name things, too.)"

240 comments

  1. Marketing At Work by InfinityWpi · · Score: 2

    Anyone who can raise that much funding for a feline cloning program called 'CopyCat' has a real future in marketing or political fundraising.

    1. Re:Marketing At Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Anyone who can raise that much funding for a feline cloning program called 'CopyCat' has a real future in marketing or political fundraising.

      I don't think that is odd at all. Can you imagine the number of people that would like to clone "Fluffy" when their pet dies? It should be a growth business, so to speak.

    2. Re:Marketing At Work by GTRacer · · Score: 3, Funny
      Do you remember the :CueCat? That thing had over $10 mil in funding and it was doomed from the start.

      Could that same guy be behind the scenes?

      GTRacer
      - Has a :CueCat but never installed CRQ...

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    3. Re:Marketing At Work by BdosError · · Score: 1

      I don't think an 81 year old financier has much of a future doin' much of anything. Probably why he's funding cloning.

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    4. Re:Marketing At Work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Copycat... yeah... and did you notice the funder's company? - "Genetic Savings & Clone Inc."


      I mean who ARE these people?

    5. Re:Marketing At Work by jo42 · · Score: 1

      Oooh... Two (2) pussies for the price of one!

  2. Intel has better batch yield by buckeyeguy · · Score: 1

    The article says it takes over 100 tries to get one cat pregnant? Sheesh...

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    1. Re:Intel has better batch yield by buckeyeguy · · Score: 1

      Oops.... not that article... but this one does. 188 tries, 82 embryos, one cat. If they're going to that much trouble, bring back Morris from the old 9 Lives commercials... that was a cool cat.

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    2. Re:Intel has better batch yield by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      The article says it takes over 100 tries to get one cat pregnant?

      That's nothing. Malda has tried thousands of times.

    3. Re:Intel has better batch yield by ichimunki · · Score: 0, Troll

      Like we even need more cats... my local Humane Society is overloaded with these things and here these people are making more?

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    4. Re:Intel has better batch yield by ichimunki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cripes, here I'm joking about it, but then I find this at the end of the article, "The Humane Society of the United States opposes pet cloning, the Journal said, because of the danger of overpopulation." Yeah, cloning is going to cause cat populations to go all out of control.

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    5. Re:Intel has better batch yield by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we actually took the advice of the various animal societies, and spayed/neutered ALL housecats (pretending for a moment we could catch all the wild ones), housecats would go extinct as of ~20 years from that date.

  3. Price Is Right. by clinko · · Score: 4, Funny

    I bet Bob Barker is furious.

    1. Re:Price Is Right. by Paul+Komarek · · Score: 2

      Unless they find a way to clone spading or neutering, too.

      -Paul Komarek

    2. Re:Price Is Right. by compwiz3688 · · Score: 1

      They can genetically altered the DNA so that it is born neutered already.

      "This is Bob Barker reminding you to have your cloned pets pre-spaded or pre-neutered."

    3. Re:Price Is Right. by Stickerboy · · Score: 2

      Nope... Bob Barker was the first secret test subject.

      How do you think he's still around?

      ;)

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    4. Re:Price Is Right. by Bonker · · Score: 1, Troll

      The Humane Society of the United States opposes pet cloning, the Journal said, because of the danger of overpopulation.

      Every year, tens of millions of cats, dogs, puppies, and kittens are 'put to sleep'.

      'Put to sleep' implies the use of euthenasia drugs, giving animals a fairly quick painless death. In fact, this happens only in context of a vetrenary office. In pounds and animal shelter, animals are slaughtered by putting them in a vacumn chamber.

      If you take anything other than a kitten or a puppy, you are almost certainly condeming that animal to death by explosive decompression. Sounds fun, huh?

      Cloning has many, many wonderful possibilities. The idea that skin or organs could be cloned for injured people is a neat thing... a development that could possibly save lives.

      For everyone out there who thinks it would be cool to clone an animal as a pet or a service animal when another could just as easily be adopted from a local pound, please remember the terrified cat or dog who doesn't understand why she's being tortured to death.

      It's been said so often that it's a joke, but spaying and neutering your pets isn't an option if you care about them at all. You're preventing more domestic animals from suffering a grisly, grisly fate.

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    5. Re:Price Is Right. by BdosError · · Score: 1

      Vacuum chamber? You're kidding, right? Please tell me you don't actually believe that. For some real information, check the Santa Cruz SPCA, for example.

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    6. Re:Price Is Right. by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2

      I hate to nitpick, because I agree completely with your statement, but there's a factual error in there...you said:

      If you take anything other than a kitten or a puppy, you are almost certainly condeming that animal to death by explosive decompression.

      This is one of the greatest unchallenged urban myths: exposure to vacuum leads to explosive decompression. It's simply not true - the kind of pressure forces need to "pop" an animal cannot be generated before the animal breathes and equibrilates with the environmental pressure. What does happen is even worse, in my opinion: while slowly suffocating from lack of oxygen, the animal suffers from severe decompression sickness - dissolved N2/O2/etc. in the blood expands, and can due horrible tissue damage. Divers call this the "bends" and it's a horrible, horrible way to die. But the animal does not die from "explosive" decompression. It's a subtle, but important difference. Important because the use of sensational words like "explosive" will turn more people away from your argument - if I heard somebody say that the local Humane Society were blowing up dogs and cats, I'd dismiss that person as frankly, kind of looney. The point gets across better with accuracy, you see?

      sorry about that offtopic ranting - just to stay OT, it seems ludicrous that with all the benefits controlled cloning could give us, one of the first things we do is find some way to succour rich pet owners. Never mind that people are dying on organ wait-lists, let's bring back Muffy the Sheepdog. Sheesh. :)

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    7. Re:Price Is Right. by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2

      Maybe not in Santa Cruz, but high-altitude used to be a common means of euthanasia. See:

      http://www.ccac.ca/guides/english/V1_93/chap/chxii .htm

      for details. FWIW, the practice is now "discouraged" but it wouldn't surprise me if it still happens in lower-income pounds and such...

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    8. Re:Price Is Right. by Mr_Matt · · Score: 2

      Shit... s/"high-altitude"/"high-altitude decompression"/g

      Man, I gotta start using the "Preview" key and actually previewing the stuff I write. :)

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    9. Re:Price Is Right. by matrix29 · · Score: 1

      Maybe not in Santa Cruz, but high-altitude used to be a common means of euthanasia. See:

      http://www.ccac.ca/guides/english/V1_93/chap/chx ii .htm [www.ccac.ca]

      for details. FWIW, the practice is now "discouraged" but it wouldn't surprise me if it still happens in lower-income pounds and such...


      Physical methods of euthanasia include stunning, cervical dislocation, electrocution, pithing, decapitation, shooting, maceration, microwave radiation, and exsanguination.

      Microwave Radiation
      Poor Gerbils

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    10. Re:Price Is Right. by ramb · · Score: 1

      Hey RTFM.

      High altitude decompression is considered unacceptable by the CCAC. At one time, it was used by some animal control agencies and humane societies for killing unwanted dogs and cats, but is now not recommended by them (White, 1984).

      Decompression hasn't been used for at least sixteen years. And the CCAC has not approved it as long as I can remember. It was the animal control societies themselves who used it, and now even they won't go near it. I'm reviewed by the CCAC regularly and "unacceptable" means exactly what it says. I actually have trouble (albeit often minor) getting approval for procedures rated "acceptable"

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    11. Re:Price Is Right. by ramb · · Score: 1

      Again RTFM ....

      Microwave radiation is a relatively new technique employed mainly by neuroscientists who wish to maintain the anatomic, enzymatic and physiological chemical composition of the animal's brain in an unaltered state (Stavinoha, 1983; Ikarashi, Maruyama and Stavinoha, 1984). Microwave radiation must be delivered specifically to the brain; therefore, standard household microwave ovens must not be used (Stavinoha, Frazer and Modak, 1977); ,only instruments which have been designed specifically for this purpose and have the appropriate power and microwave distribution may be utilized. [their emphasis]

      I can't find a catalog nearby, but I seem to remember prices in the $50K+ range.

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  4. No problems yet by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dancing with the Devil leads you to obesity and liver problems.

    Procreate, don't recreate. Of course, for humans Procreation is recreation. :-)

    BTW, the cat doesn't look like its adult version because womb conditions dictate the formatting of the fur.

    Dancin Santa

  5. And the first cloned domestic dog? by compwiz3688 · · Score: 1

    CopyDog? That doesn't sound right...

    1. Re:And the first cloned domestic dog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe 'Dupli-Dog'?
      Or DoppelDog?

    2. Re:And the first cloned domestic dog? by Ledge · · Score: 2

      mimeomutt

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    3. Re:And the first cloned domestic dog? by Redneck+Genius · · Score: 0

      But atleast they'll have witty names for all of the CopyDog failures...

      SlushPuppies

      tank u... tank u.. i'll be here all week.

    4. Re:And the first cloned domestic dog? by Chundra · · Score: 1

      "CC:" for "carbon canine" brought to you by Dogmatic, Inc., El Paso, TX.

    5. Re:And the first cloned domestic dog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about DoubleDog!

      No! Wait. I'm trademarking that!

    6. Re:And the first cloned domestic dog? by ThePlague · · Score: 0

      Actually that project has been going on since 1998: Missiplicity Project

    7. Re:And the first cloned domestic dog? by YourMissionForToday · · Score: 0

      Congradulations, you've spawned a festering brood of horrible puns. Thank god no one is cloning the responses.

  6. First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Had to say it

    1. Re:First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No you didn't.

  7. Question by PowerTroll+5000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why is it wrong to copy a CD, but not a living creature?

    There are much bigger ramifications in the latter type of "copying" than the former.

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    1. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it wrong to copy a CD, but not a living creature?

      Usually talent and effort went into creating the CD's content.

      For the most part, neither went into creating the creature.

    2. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Living creatures don't make money for corporations.

      Well, okay, sometimes they do, but you can breed a cat just as easily as a corporation, and so there's no corporate interest which is served by creating an artificial scarcity in housepets.

      CDs, on the other hand, there are a number of campaign-donating corporations who are much benefited by there being an artificial scarcity in intellectual property, so of course congress is going to protect that.

    3. Re:Question by zcat_NZ · · Score: 2
      Usually talent and effort went into creating the CD's content.

      Talent and effort huh? Then why's it still illegal to copy britney or nsync?

      Anyhow, your theory is bunk.. there's months, perhaps a year of effort in putting out a CD? Several million years for the 'development' of the cat..

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    4. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talent and effort huh? Then why's it still illegal to copy britney or nsync?

      I said "usually". They are the exceptions that prove the rule.

      Anyhow, your theory is bunk.. there's months, perhaps a year of effort in putting out a CD? Several million years for the 'development' of the cat..

      Thus, the cat IP is public domain.

    5. Re:Question by Winged+Cat · · Score: 2

      And what if you encoded, say, a CD's worth of information into the "junk" DNA of a clone? (It wouldn't be an exact clone with the extra info, of course, but close enough.)

    6. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Thus, the cat IP is public domain.

      Then what is the government doing granting patents on existing human IP? Patents aren't supposed to be obtainable for prior art.

    7. Re:Question by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 2

      cause the original cat (or it's creator/inventor) isn't likely to sue for copyright infringement.

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  8. Pets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will we all be able to have identical pets someday then?

  9. i've got it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These Texans know how to name things, too.

    Well, remember, you are talking about the state that brought you the cuecat..

    Maybe the same people were involved in some way?

  10. Does this mean.... by lumpenprole · · Score: 3, Funny


    The clone wars are going to be fought with a spray bottle and a rolled up newspaper?

    Bad Lord of the Sith! Bad, Bad!

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  11. Great News! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More pussy!

  12. Justification ? by hexa00 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Are they going to justify this by saying that it's essential for cat parents who can't have a baby the traditional way ?

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  13. Shroedinger? by antisocial77 · · Score: 1

    What happens if you put a cloned cat in the box? The cosmic implications are mind boggling.

    1. Re:Shroedinger? by iforgotmyfirstlogon · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:Shroedinger? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You kill one & leave the other alive.

      Then the cat really *is* both alive & dead!

  14. Where are your priorities? by Eharley · · Score: 3, Funny

    Posted by CmdrTaco on Thursday February 14, @2:45PM

    Sr. Taco,

    You have just been engaged. For God's sake, man, why are you not taking the rest of the day off to reflect upon this life-altering decision that has been wrought?

    1. Re:Where are your priorities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He is, you fool! Isn't it obvious?

    2. Re:Where are your priorities? by CentrX · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it make more sense that he reflect upon this life-altering decision before he takes the action that will launch that decision into motion, that is, before he proposed?

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  15. Somewhere, horny geeks are disappointed by typical+geek · · Score: 2

    Clone your favorite pussy,click here!

  16. Obvious Question by TheMatt · · Score: 1

    If you clone a Siamese, as suggested above, does that make it a Siamese twin?

    ...runs and ducks...

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  17. This has to violate DMCA by Nonac · · Score: 1

    As biotech firms are abusing the patent process to make genetic sequences their intellectual property, this violated DMCA by facilitating the unauthorized reproduction of copyrighted material.

    1. Re:This has to violate DMCA by Prowl · · Score: 1

      God is gonna seriously pissed off...

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  18. Success Rate by smak · · Score: 1

    According to the BBC article only one of 87 kitten emrbyos to survived. Given that success rate, and that Dolly the cloned sheep is developing problems only now, I think theres a long way to go until this becomes "useful", in any sense of the word.

  19. The other project by rjamestaylor · · Score: 2
    Texas A&M announced that a similar project, CopyCmdr has commenced today with the agreement of one Kathleen Hent to consent to marry CmdrTaco of Slashdot fame.

    Congratulations, CmdrTaco!

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  20. Not the first "companion animal clone" by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 2

    Oh, how quickly we forget Alba, the first cloned pet. Of course, the Alba story was much more interesting because he was an albino rabbit with jellyfish genes to make him glow.

    1. Re:Not the first "companion animal clone" by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Alba only actually growed under special light (what kind of special light I don't know). Unfortunatly Alba also died. Alas, there goes my dream of a glowing steak:)

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    2. Re:Not the first "companion animal clone" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More to the point it wasn't a clone, to the best of my knowledge - it was a regular rabbit embryo genetically modified to carry a bioluminescent gene.

    3. Re:Not the first "companion animal clone" by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2

      I don't give a shit if it wasn't a clone! A rabbit that glowed in UV light would be the -coolest- fucking thing ever! The only way that could possibly be better is if it had laser-vision.

      And that's the real challenge for genetic engineers, as far as I'm concerned. Who cares if we can clone a person, or make a replacement liver for alcoholics. Stop working on that crap and answer this -- Can we make a bunny with laser eyes?

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  21. cheese with my wine please? by Em+Emalb · · Score: 2

    "John Sperling, an 81-year-old financier who formed Genetic Savings & Clone Inc."

    Good grief. Talk about lame ass naming pun.

    At least he didn't name it CowboyNeal

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    1. Re:cheese with my wine please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't it be wine with my cheese in this case?

  22. So they want to clone pets for wealthy animals by CitznFish · · Score: 0

    What a great humanity saving gesture! :rolleyes:

    Also if I had the money to clone my favorite pet, I would be damn sure to insist it looks identical.. none of this 'The Coat pattern may differ since it is not exclusive to the genes' BS! Bring out the hair coloring kits and get busy!

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    1. Re:So they want to clone pets for wealthy animals by zeno_2 · · Score: 1

      If I could clone something, it probably would be an elephant or giraffe that was the size of a small dog =).

  23. BBC Story + Pics by Pilferer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here is a link to the BBC story, with a picture of the cat (named "Cc:").

    MEoW.

    1. Re:BBC Story + Pics by llauren · · Score: 1

      From the BBC story (see above for link)

      • <bbc>

      • Researchers in Texas have cloned a cat, producing a two-month-old kitten called Cc:.
        </bbc>

      Doesn't anybody else think it's strange that they produced a two-month-old kitten by cloning? I mean, even cloned beings would be born at age zero.

      On the other hand, we've seen adults born by cloning in the movies before, so why not a kitten?

      • ~llaurén
  24. Re:Oh, gee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which raises the question of why, why did you submit this post in the first place, and why did Taco think it important enough to appropriate?

    It's a non-issue; no one gives a shit.

    If you want something thought provoking, try this.

  25. Re:Oh, gee! by drsoran · · Score: 1

    Wow, did I submit this earlier today? Let's see...

    2002-02-14 17:24:02 Texas A&M Clones a Cat (articles,news) (rejected)

    Oh, I guess I did! Wow, and to think that I was actually hoping for consistency with the Slashdot editors. I guess that's too much to ask.


    Well, assuming that 17:24 is UTC time and the story was posted only a half hour later at 17:54 UTC there's a strong possibility that texchanchan sent in his version earlier than yours. Don't worry about it, wait about 5 hours. Hemos or Michael will come online for the night shift and post it again.

  26. This had to happen by Microsift · · Score: 1

    Scientists around the world have already cloned mice and various livestock, but the Texas cat would be the first cloned companion animal.

    Clearly these cats are being cloned to eat all of the cloned mice they've been making... I guess they'll be cloning rotweillers to take care of the cats, Hatchbacks to take care of the rottweilers, SUV's to take care of the Hatchback, Semis...

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    1. Re:This had to happen by Aexia · · Score: 2

      >>Hatchbacks to take care of the rottweilers, SUV's to take care of the Hatchback, Semis...

      and the beauty of it is that the Semis freeze to death come winter!

  27. It's always good to have a backup by MonkeyInTree · · Score: 5, Funny

    There are times when frustration gets the better of you and you just need to kick the cat. It's comforting to know that in the future we can make backups first ;)

  28. Funny titles by neonstz · · Score: 1

    Your story got rejected because it didn't have a funny title. "Texas A&M Clones a Cat", what kind of stupid title is that? :)

  29. Easy by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 2, Funny

    Doguerreotype

    Dancin Santa

  30. This just in from Reuters - God files lawsuit. by immanis · · Score: 4, Funny

    God files suit in Texas court, cites numbers copyright violations on the part of Texas A&M University.

    The Almighty God (Yaweh, The Big Guy, Jehovah) filed a suit in a Texas court today, seeking to block further progress on the CopyCat project, a cloning experiment out of Texas A&M University.

    "I'm PISSED!" God was quoted as saying. "It took me days, well a day, to come up with the design of the Cat. It's mine Dammnit! My Cat profits are going to plummet!"

    A representative from Texas A&M could not be reached for comment.

    1. Re:This just in from Reuters - God files lawsuit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In order to write off the experiment as a loss, Texas A&M has instructed lab technicians to destroy product using a hammer.

  31. What are the odds? by EllisDees · · Score: 2

    Both John Sperling and George Soros on the same Slashdot page and neither article is about their involvement in Medical Marijuana. Give me a Peter Lewis and we'll have the complete set.

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    1. Re:What are the odds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are the odds some right-wing anti-drug wacko will post a biased link to some fundi anti-drug website. Sure it's fine that doctors can prescribe cocaine and morphine - medicines that cost MONEY TO BUY - but that they can't allow people to use a FREE HERB that grows naturally. Yeah, having our tax dollars go to support non-violent users in prision while real criminals go unpunished - because they have nothing the polices can sieze - is also wonderful. Good job with that. Anyway, shouldn't you be off destroying the environment or converting brown people to Christ or something?

      My body - my choice. FUCKING DEAL WITH IT.

    2. Re:What are the odds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll find many of us on the right wing support decriminalization, if not legalization, of drug use.

    3. Re:What are the odds? by EllisDees · · Score: 2

      Please. Try not to be so stupid in the future. The link I posted was just the first that came up in a search engine that talked about him and his support for the MMJ initiatives. I am neither right-wind nor anti-drug (as anyone with a half-brain could see from my sig). Also, there are just as many people on the conservative side of the fence that are for decriminilization as there are on the liberal.

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  32. Usual cloning caveats apply by maggard · · Score: 4, Funny
    1. This is a genetic clone, the same as an "identical twin"
    2. Even "identical twins" are often not actually identical; for example hair and pigment patterns often differ. The same is true for clones.
    3. While temperament and other characteristics are likely somewhat inherited prenatal nutrition and womb environment have significant if poorly-understood effects
    4. Furthermore how the animal is raised (nurture) also has a profound influence on the temperament and behaviors of an animal
    So, while this critter may indeed may be a clone it is not the original reincarnated and will differ in any number of ways.

    Finally, contrary to any number of unimaginatively-written SF& Horror stories clones haven't shown any special abilities or to be any more susceptible to demonic possession (though with Siamese cats this may be moot - who could tell if they're being unnaturally evil?) However there is a high rate of failure and the produced animals have shown a greater susceptibility to illness and abnormalities (again, with Siamese cats this is also about par for the course already.)

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    1. Re:Usual cloning caveats apply by Steveftoth · · Score: 1

      But the clone will have a death wish twords the original, blindly going after and killing until the original is destroyed. Unless of course the clone and mother collide in which case they will explode as the same matter cannot occupy the same space. Thank you Einstein very much sir!

    2. Re:Usual cloning caveats apply by Delirium+Tremens · · Score: 2

      Ok for the temper of the little beast. It will probably not be the same as the original one's.

      But what about its talents? Like having an exceptional sharp ear? Or being able to walk on a rope? Walk on a ball? I can imagine that a Circus, for one, would be extremely interested in cloning an animal that turns out to be exceptionally skilled in being trained.

  33. Rights? by Joel+Ironstone · · Score: 1

    Will this cloned cat have the same rights as other cats?
    I mean cats have rights, don't they?

  34. wifes pussy by avandesande · · Score: 1

    I wonder if John Sperling cloned his wife's pussy?

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  35. Great more FAT cats ....next cloning cockroaches by CDWert · · Score: 2

    This will be funny, the errors that are appearing in genetic replication that lead to obesity,

    Ever notice the more dysfunctional someone is the fatter their cat ?

    This will be hilarious, first a genetic predisposition to obesity, followed by some loon that just cant let go of "Fluffy" I can see it now CAT-KONG (Its a funny childrens book)

    An 80 lb cat, a shortened life span and an already neruotic owner that couldnt let go thie first time around, watch this become a really sad vicious cycle, copies of copies, getting fat and dying yet faster than the last time around. Maybe I should go after a Vet Liscence.....

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  36. Re:STFU asskissers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Er, it's called non-sequitor (speling?) humour, not whoring.

  37. RePet by Brian+Knotts · · Score: 2, Funny
    Sperling plans to offer the technology first to wealthy individuals seeking to replace beloved pets

    Great...so there really is going to be a "RePet."

    I just hope they don't also actually invent that creepy doll.

    1. Re:RePet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeez, (bangs head on desk) what movie was that in again?

    2. Re:RePet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The 6th Day

      Can't say I'm proud to announce that I paid money to see it, though.

    3. Re:RePet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Six Days"

  38. Let's just hope they don't breed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...or clone.

  39. Cloning of existing pets by azadam · · Score: 1

    I've known a number of people who consider their pets to be as close, or closer, than other family members. It came up in a discussion a while back that with all the advances in cloning- would you bring back a lost pet again, if there was a service that could do so?

    All Pet Sematary images aside, it seems like if someone could prey on all the emotion behind the lost of a loved family member, people would be willing to pay a load of money to experience the joy of raising beloved Whiskers again from the beginning.

    1. Re:Cloning of existing pets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it is physically the same cat, but it won't be the same cat you grown up with...

      Might be cheaper to get a new cat.

  40. Re:Great more FAT cats ....next cloning cockroache by avandesande · · Score: 1

    get your kicks here...

    http://www.tubcat.com/

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  41. Big Mistake!!! by toupsie · · Score: 3, Funny

    They cloned the wrong Pussy!!!

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  42. Just what we need. by Restil · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    More cats.

    And now they'll all look alike too.

    What a scary world this is turning out to be.

    -Restil

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  43. Humane Society Objection?!? by jchawk · · Score: 2

    From the article "The Humane Society of the United States opposes pet cloning, the Journal said, because of the danger of overpopulation."

    I don't understand why they are really worried about this. It is quite apparent that a person who is willing to spend big bucks on having their pet cloned obviously loved the animal in the first place.

    I could however understand an objection to say a pet breeder having prize animals cloned, but they never made any distinctions and this technology does have practical applications for grieving pet lovers. :-)

    I know I would love to have a copy of my dog Mookie who died a few years ago. ;-(

    - I'll bash you in the face.

    1. Re:Humane Society Objection?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I think their point is that why spend $X dollars cloning your pet when there are millions of pets available for adoption all across the country? Currently the vast mojority of animals in shelters across the country will be euthanized or used in medical experiments and then euthanized. Sure you wont get something exactly the same as your beloved Mookie, but since your Mookie Mark II clone will not have the same mind as the original it will be different too.


      If you had a human friend and he or she died, would you prefer to wait 20 years for a not-so-accurate duplicate of the original friend, or would you simply grieve, and then move on to make new friends? Why should pets be any different?

    2. Re:Humane Society Objection?!? by voice+of+unreason · · Score: 1

      2 reasons. First, they feel that they're setting people up for disappointment, since it wouldn't really be the same animal (no memories of the owner, for example). Secondly, there are already so many cats that need a home. It's not commonly known, but overpopulation can be something of a problem with cats. They breed like rabbits.

  44. Did they change it's name? by iforgotmyfirstlogon · · Score: 2, Funny

    "The 2-month-old kitten called "Cc:" is the first successful product of a program..."

    So was it a "Bcc:" when it was born?

    - Freed

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    1. Re:Did they change it's name? by SLot · · Score: 1

      No, it'd only be Bcc: if they had poked it's eyes out.

    2. Re:Did they change it's name? by iforgotmyfirstlogon · · Score: 1

      At the risk of making you look like an idiot:

      "Kittens are born blind, with their eyelids sealed shut."

      - Freed

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    3. Re:Did they change it's name? by SLot · · Score: 1

      I have three cats, I know they can't see when they are born.

      That said, I'm often an idiot. :)

    4. Re:Did they change it's name? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clue Cat ?

      If it were BCC - can it catch the 3 blind mices ?

  45. Warning, DMCA Violation by CFN · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure this is illegal under the DMCA:

    section 4.3.B
    Biological material, having a copy
    protection scheme provided by their
    Creator, shall not be copied. Doing
    so shall be a violation of this act,
    punishable by fine, jail time, or an
    eternity in the fiery pits of Hell.

    1. Re:Warning, DMCA Violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if no one comes forth to prosecute...then no lawsuit.

  46. Hate to break the news to everyone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    ..but these animals are not clones unless the donor egg used in the conception is from the same animal. If not, then the so called "clone" does not share the mitochondrial DNA of their "parent" and thus is not a clone. Now back to your regularily scheduled ignorance.

    1. Re:Hate to break the news to everyone... by nickynicky9doors · · Score: 1

      My understanding of mitochondrial DNA is that it comes only from the mother. Attempts to identify the age of our species are based on the statistical analysis of mitochondrial DNA as it issues only from the mother. Does this account for your quotation marks around the word parent?

      cheers

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    2. Re:Hate to break the news to everyone... by Dahan · · Score: 2

      Yes, well, as the BBC article says, "Cc: is a copy of her genetic mother, not of the surrogate cat which actually gave birth to her." So she is a clone.

  47. This just in!! by erroneus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Said to be a member of yet another Jesus-freak-christian-cult, an unidentified man has destroyed the cloned kitty in the name of God. Authorities have already begun their investigation and until the man is identified, he will be known as ...

    Gawd? Do I have to finish it?

  48. But there are limitations to this technology . . . by Anomalous+Cowbird · · Score: 1

    This is not an infinitely repeatable process. In this case (since they now have two) they will only be able to create seven more . . . .

  49. And you'd think... by Cheetah86 · · Score: 1

    You'd think they'd name it carbon copy, since it is a carbon based life form...

    1. Re:And you'd think... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They did! See other posts, search for Cc:...

  50. Re:Oh, gee! by Wind_Walker · · Score: 1
    How in the FUCK is this off-topic? I'm talking about the fucking cat, after all! Jesus Christ, the moderators are shitty today.

    Eh, I whored myself all the way up to 50 Karma, and now I'm back down to 40. I've got a little ways to go until I whore myself up again. Whatever.

    Fuck Slashdot.

  51. Re:But there are limitations to this technology . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you get that joke off the Fox News Buildings Ticker in Manhattan? They had the same lame joke about 9 lives.

  52. Mixed feelings by ocelotbob · · Score: 1
    As far as domesticated animals go, cloning is actually pretty silly. First off is the aforementioned fact that this is not true cloning in the pulp science fiction sense, but rather a time-delayed clone. The personality and fur pattern will more than likely be different; I'm certain the first few people will be disappointed because the cat won't be the same, even though it has the same DNA.

    As far as service animals go, its similarly a silly point. It's far cheaper to rescue animals from animal shelters and train them. The methods already in place for getting them is already very good, cloning will only lead to service animals being more expensive.

    Yes, it's interesting technology, but essentially, is a waste of money.

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  53. Better Link... by FortKnox · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... is here as per my journal.

    Also has a pic of the cat. Its named "Cc:" (seriously).

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  54. I have a real problem with this by LordNimon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There are an estimated 6 to 8 million cats and dogs killed every year because they are not adopted. That's right, every year, millions of cats are purposely killed because no one will adopt them. So if your cat dies, the right thing to do would be to adopt another cat. Save the life of another animal, please!

    People who would clone their cat rather than adopt another one disgust me. According the article, the new cat probably won't look the same anyway! And whether it will behave the same is also questionable. So in other words, it is both unethical and pointless to clone your cat.

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    1. Re:I have a real problem with this by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      Do you also oppose regular pet breeding, then? Should we stop producing domestic animals by any deliberate method until all the strays are adopted?

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    2. Re:I have a real problem with this by Amarok.Org · · Score: 1
      People who would clone their cat rather than adopt another one disgust me. According the article, the new cat probably won't look the same anyway! And whether it will behave the same is also questionable. So in other words, it is both unethical and pointless to clone your cat.

      Let me get this straight... Your summary suggests that the ethical considerations involved here have to do with the availability of other cats, not anything to do with the actual cloning process. That said, do you support human cloning since the pool of adoptable babies is so small?

      That's a new one, at least.

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    3. Re:I have a real problem with this by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      Your summary suggests that the ethical considerations involved here have to do with the availability of other cats, not anything to do with the actual cloning process. That said, do you support human cloning since the pool of adoptable babies is so small?

      You don't get it. The poster's comment didn't oppose cloning qua cloning, but rather the questionable ethics of going to a lot of trouble to create a creature when so many others of that same sort are destroyed for lack of owners.

      Of course, I don't think the point of the CopyCat project was to develop a revolutionary method of cat production. IDNRTA* but I'm guessing it had more to do with biology than somebody's dream of a chain of cat factories.

      * I Did Not Read The Article.

    4. Re:I have a real problem with this by LordNimon · · Score: 1
      Yes, I also oppose regular pet breeding. Until the shelter overpopulation problem is solved, no one should be trying to make more pets.

      However, that's just my opinion, and I don't try to force it on anyone.

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    5. Re:I have a real problem with this by Amarok.Org · · Score: 2
      You don't get it.

      No, I get it. The point I was making (in a roundabout way) was that if you're going to make an argument, at least do it clearly and not muddy the waters will irrelevant data.

      Of course, I don't think the point of the CopyCat project was to develop a revolutionary method of cat production.

      Precisely. If you're going to question the morals of cloning in general, fine, argue that... but arguing that it's bad BECAUSE that species is already plentiful is just plain silly.

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    6. Re:I have a real problem with this by hal200 · · Score: 1

      Well, if you get around to reading the BBC article that someone else linked to, you'll notice the blurb at the end which says that Cc: (the name of the cloned kitten. Cute.) was the only survivor of 87 cloned embryos, and that this was consistent with the results in other species. 1/87 success rate is pretty damned low if you ask me.

      Considering the time and expense involved, chances are you're not going to see an army of genetically identical pets roaming your neighborhood any time soon.

      For those people who have more sense than money, it's far more expedient to just run down to the pet store or local animal shelter (yay) and buy/adopt a new pet.

      For those people with more money than sense, I seem to recall hearing something about a fool and his money...

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    7. Re:I have a real problem with this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NO! Don't listen to him! He's just trying to drive up the price of cats.

    8. Re:I have a real problem with this by tibbetts · · Score: 1

      The same thing can be said for humans. When human cloning is legalized (and I say "when," not "if"), think about what will happen if the cost of producing a clone of yourself or your partner is less than the cost of adoption or fertility drugs. There are already more children available for adoption than there are people who want to adopt them.

      More food for thought: what if a surrogate mother carrying the cloned embryo wanted to keep the baby?

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    9. Re:I have a real problem with this by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      [A]rguing that it's bad BECAUSE that species is already plentiful is just plain silly.

      Of course it isn't. It's humane. The poster believes that destroying cats because we can't find owners for them is bad. Widespread cloning of cats would exacerbate that problem. Therefore widespread cloning of cats would be bad.

      The math is pretty simple.

      As I said before, the CopyCat project isn't about the widespread cloning of cats (I think) so this argument is at best inapplicable. But it's not silly.

      In fact, I think it raises a pretty interesting question. Let's assume that cloning is here; the genie is out of the bottle and we're going to have to deal with it. In some situations cloning might be justified, while in others it might not be, not because it's cloning qua cloning, but rather because of the effects that that particular application of cloning technology has on other aspects of society.

      At that point, we're moving beyond "cloning is bad" into "cloning in certain situations is bad."

      In other words, we've gone from "What can we eat?" to "Where shall we have lunch?"

    10. Re:I have a real problem with this by LordNimon · · Score: 1
      If you're going to question the morals of cloning in general, fine, argue that... but arguing that it's bad BECAUSE that species is already plentiful is just plain silly.

      No, it's not. There are good reasons to clone mice and other small laboratory animals, for instance. Granted, I wish scientists wouldn't need to experiment on animals, but that's just the way it is these days. However, the only reason to clone a cat (besides learning how to do it) is to "recover" a lost pet. And most people I know agree with me that it's much better to adopt a new pet (so that you can save that animal's life) rather than make a new one from scratch.

      Over the years, I've lost several cats (predators, old age, etc). Although some of them were very dear to me, I would never have considered cloning them to "bring them back". Instead, I went to the shelter and adopted a new cat. I took great comfort in knowing that I was able to save the lives of other animals. Any real pet lover would agree.

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    11. Re:I have a real problem with this by LordNimon · · Score: 1
      Of course it isn't. It's humane. The poster believes that destroying cats because we can't find owners for them is bad. Widespread cloning of cats would exacerbate that problem. Therefore widespread cloning of cats would be bad. The math is pretty simple.

      Thank you. This is exactly what I was trying to say.

      As I said before, the CopyCat project isn't about the widespread cloning of cats (I think)

      This is where you are wrong. To quote:

      Sperling plans to offer the technology first to wealthy individuals seeking to replace beloved pets, but he also envisions using it to replicate socially valuable animals, such as search-and-rescue dogs, he told the Journal.
      The 2nd reason is bogus. There are plenty of animals already capable of being search-and-rescue dogs. The problem is not genetics, it's training. Cloning a search-and-rescue dog won't automatially make a new one. That new dog will have to be trained just like the original. If anything, breeding search-and-rescue dogs together would be more effective, and certainly much cheaper.
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    12. Re:I have a real problem with this by hether · · Score: 2

      I agree completely that people should adopt pets whenever possible (I suggest using petfinder.com - free for non-profits like shelters and rescue groups around the US), but your argument is not sound.

      There are plenty of sheep in the world too. Yet why did they clone Dolly? I'm sure the reason behind that project and this one - has nothing to do with overpopulation. It has to do with research. We learn how something works, not necessarily so we can reproduce the effect.

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    13. Re:I have a real problem with this by LordNimon · · Score: 1
      Your comparison is invalid. Millions of sheep around the world are not being killed every year because no one wants to adopt them. Besides, sheet aren't pets.

      Not only that, but you're completely ignoring the thrust of my post as well as the article. Yes, learning how to clone a cat is a good idea. However, starting a business of cloning cats so that rich people who don't really care about animals can "bring their lost pet back" (which they aren't really doing) is a horrible idea.

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    14. Re:I have a real problem with this by hether · · Score: 2

      I should have waited to post. Now that I've read this particular article (the other ones I read on this topic didn't mention that the U was going to capitalize on their discovery - just that they had suceeded in cloning a cat) I agree that the University is taken advantage of the situation, probably just for monetary gain by agreeing to clone pets for rich owners. I don't agree with that. I still however agree that this is an excellent research opportunity. Sorry for the misunderstanding of your intent

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    15. Re:I have a real problem with this by foobar104 · · Score: 2

      This is where you are wrong.

      Oh, okay. Perils of not reading the article. In that case, there certainly are problems with that business plan. Like you said, at that point cloning becomes a very expensive form of breeding.

      Bad CopyCat! Go lay down!

    16. Re:I have a real problem with this by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      Oh please, PETA-troll, whine about your unadopted animals someplace else. I say go ahead and clone the pet and no activist yammering on about how "unethical" it is has any business butting into what anyone does in this matter.

      If you're so fired up about unadopted animals then go adopt some and leave the pet-cloners the hell alone. Resolve not to do it yourself and *stay out of concerns that aren't your business*.

      Max

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    17. Re:I have a real problem with this by LordNimon · · Score: 1
      Oh please, PETA-troll,

      You know, it's quite possible to care about animals without being a "PETA-troll". For the record, I can't stand PETA. I think they do more harm than good. If anything, you're the troll, not me.

      whine about your unadopted animals someplace else.

      Sorry, I intend to make my opinion known when it's importiant, including this forum. I think it's important that people consider the ethical ramifications of cloning pets.

      If you're so fired up about unadopted animals then go adopt some and leave the pet-cloners the hell alone.

      Actually, I have adopted several cats. I currently have three. I also trap stray cats, neuter them, and release them into the wild, to help humanely control the stray cat population.

      Resolve not to do it yourself and *stay out of concerns that aren't your business*.

      How absurd. Are you saying that I'm no longer allowed to post my opinion on Slashdot? I think you just like flaming people because you have nothing better to do.

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    18. Re:I have a real problem with this by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      No, I'm just sick of ignoramuses like you clambering up the moral high ground to deride some bit of technology you don't like, then go on to tell other people how to live and how to think.

      Piss off, already. If I want to clone my dog it isn't your business. It's mine, and mine alone. The sheer gall you have, thinking that you can intrude into my life with your proclamations, is nauseating.

      Max

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    19. Re:I have a real problem with this by thumperward · · Score: 1

      In a word: Yes.

      - Chris

    20. Re:I have a real problem with this by hether · · Score: 2

      Here is an example:

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid _1 820000/1820749.stm

      This article mentions nothing at all about them cloning the cat so that they could profit from it. This one suggests its good because they can study feline aids in comparison to human aids.

      Why aren't more stories mentioning the fact they want to clone rich people's pets?

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    21. Re:I have a real problem with this by pgilman · · Score: 1

      please don't quote rush; you're making rush fans look bad by association. twit.

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  55. Mandrake is cloned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After several years of attmepts Geoff "Mandrake" Harrison has been cloned. In the past, those attmepts have failed. The Jerry Cantrell model was the first to roll out back during the grundge years.
    The phase dubbed as "Kid Rock"...Has been in works for many years...

  56. Someone had to say it... by brogdon · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's just no end to the lengths geeks will go to get a little pussy... :)

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    1. Re:Someone had to say it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unfortunately they didn't have access to the original that they all have trouble with in the first place.

      It takes a pussy to make more pussy.

  57. Texas A&M's Press Release and Pics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.tamu.edu/aggiedaily/press/index.html

    If I'm not mistaken, the financier (John Sperling) starting research into this at Texas A&M about 3 or 4 years ago becuase he wanted a clone of his very close pet collie "Missy" who was dying or had recently died back then... so they named it the "Missyplicity" project after the Michael Keaton movie "Mulitiplicity".

    http://www.missyplicity.com

    --OptipleX02

  58. Intriguing names by yesthatguy · · Score: 1

    (These Texans know how to name things, too.)

    Ah yes, like the new NFL expansion team, the Houston Texans.

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  59. Missyplicity by dbCooper0 · · Score: 1
    I knew I had read something very similar to this in a dead-tree copy of Wired Magazine a couple of years back...it made me wish I was rich enough to do this with my aging mutt.

    This site has details, and appears to be sponsored by the same organization.

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  60. Cat got your tongue? by Zigurd · · Score: 2

    Jack Valente announced today that the MPOA will sue the cat cloners to fore them to include Digital Right's Management technology in all cloning equipment: "Breeders put a lot of work into those cats. If anyone can make copies, who will breed cats?" Microsoft announced that code in Windows Media Player is not to blame for mysteriously well-targeted banner ads for cat food aimed at people who play more than the usual amount of soft rock.

    1. Re:Cat got your tongue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DRM for pets? It exists. It's known as "spaying" or "neutering".

      Seriously -- some breeders insist on it to protect their profits.

      Defeat companion animal DRM! Insist on getting your pet "whole".

  61. I assume, then . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    . . . that once this technology becomes widely used, we can expect a concomitant discount subtracted from the prices at Chinese restaurants? After all, it's only fair to pass on the savings.

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  62. About time, now start on humans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has a huge potential... Let's get started on cloning humans!

    Imagine these possibilities :

    - A genetically modified human perfectly suited for a specific task - clone 'em by the thousands and you've got the perfect workforce (you may want to dumb 'em down a bit so they don't mind tedious jobs).

    - Clone people with special abillities so these people can bread with more other people and the abillities can spread more widely (like people with exceptional health)

    - Safekeep newborn childrens DNA, so that parents who loose a very young child in accidents can get a new clone.

    (an no, I'm _not_ joking)

  63. Sperling, hmm? Any relation to Mary and Lazarus? by JonToycrafter · · Score: 1

    I'm amused by the financier's coincidental(?) apparent relationship to the Sperling family from Robert Heinlein's series of books about the lives of Lazarus Long. The Sperlings were one of the original long-lifed families. Perhaps we've come across their dirty little secret at last?

  64. Sounds like... by Stickerboy · · Score: 2

    we just got a preview of the script for Cats & Dogs 2. ;)

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  65. Aggie Science Marches On by Mittermeyer · · Score: 1

    As a transplanted out-of-stater living in Texas, I can't tell you how horrified I am that Aggies are doing this. Remember, these are the folks with that gawdawful bonfire accident- do you really want them messing with genetic code???

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    1. Re:Aggie Science Marches On by gazuga · · Score: 1

      100 points to the first person with a good Aggie joke about this one. ;)

      --gaz

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  66. Photo of CC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Copy Cat!!. So cute!!

    1. Re:Photo of CC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OOps!!!
      Here is CopyCat!! Again. Sorry!! Someone got a picture of CopyCat-1 ?

    2. Re:Photo of CC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows Luser!

  67. Available on Napser? by guttentag · · Score: 2
    Soon you'll be able to 'share' their prize Siamese.
    Are they going to make the cat available on Napster? That would explain the mysterious cat logo... the music-sharing service was just a clever stealth cover for their impending pet-sharing business. (insert assorted "nine lives" and "landing on their feet" jokes)
    1. Re:Available on Napser? by andymoe · · Score: 1

      Yes, the cat will be available on napster but only in the proprietary nap format.

  68. Answer by hendridm · · Score: 1

    Like everything, it comes down to money. Universal and Bertelsmann don't lose money on cloned cats.

    1. Re:Answer by radja · · Score: 2

      unless it's several hundred clones that are all released in Universal's headoffice..

      //rdj

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  69. Out of the Frying Pan and into the Fire by nickynicky9doors · · Score: 1

    There is mounting evidence cloning causes substantial problems. Dolly the cloned sheep is now arthretic. A recent article suggest the DNA is scrabbled in the cloning process. Burning kittens in microwaves may have advanced science but can we in any way validate the gross waste of resources to clone pets that may live in pain. This is deeply pathological. There is now ample evidence that the year 2050 can be set as a arbitrary deadline for turning around the harm being done to the environment and the threat of overpopulation. Somehow in the face of it all the idea of people growing obscenely rich by cloning animals to a life of potential suffering in the name of companionship is an apt swansong.

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  70. For those Japanese speakers in the audience by rworne · · Score: 0
    Neko fun--ja--tta!
    Neko fun-ja-tta!
    Neko fun-ja-fun-ja-fun-ja-tta!
    Neko fun-ja-tta!
    Neko fun-ja-tta!
    Neko fun-ja-fun-ja-fun-ja-tta!


    Thank you

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    I tried every decent and legal way I could think of to resolve the issue w/the business before I rented the chicken suit
  71. Re: Cc: by don_carnage · · Score: 3, Funny

    What, they cloned the ::::CueCat? Isn't that illegal? :^)

  72. Does that mean that... by TheMidget · · Score: 1

    ... it is ok to pirate porn movies?

    1. Re:Does that mean that... by WatertonMan · · Score: 1

      Nah. It just means it is ok to clone porn stars. . .

  73. What about the other 80+ that failed? by RailGunner · · Score: 1
    What about the 80+ embryos that failed? What kind of sick freakshow (ala Alien Resurrection) are they not publishing?

    And why do they want rich people to be able to clone their pets? That does nothing but cheapen the life of the original. "Oh, kids, Sparky got run over by a car, but we'll just go get a new Sparky". And that doesn't even work because behavior is partly genetic, but mostly environmental.

    Cloning is a bad idea, IHMO. We shouldn't play God under any circumstances.

    1. Re:What about the other 80+ that failed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What about the 80 million feral cats that die in some horrible way all over the world? Big fuckin' deal about some embryo.


      "Cheapen the life of the original?" How so? It's a cat, lighten up man. You clone a cat, you got yourself a baby cat. Exact same ethical issues as if you let your cat get knocked up (well about a thrid to a sixth as serious)


      The very domestication of the cat is an example of human beings "Playing God."

    2. Re:What about the other 80+ that failed? by Svet-Am · · Score: 1

      But, what if we *Are* God? Not in the Alec Baldwin bad medical melodrama sense, but in the sense that humanity is its own God. We choose our own fate and as such must reap our own consequences...

      Go for it. Expand science to the end of the world. Just be prepared to take the heat if you happened to stroll down a less than perfect path.

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    3. Re:What about the other 80+ that failed? by JimPooley · · Score: 2

      Man created god(s) in his own image...

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  74. I'm headed for the backyard with a shovel! by jlower · · Score: 1

    To dig up Sylvester. That old tom was with me longer than all my wives added together. I want him back!

  75. Oh No! This is how it starts! by Hatter · · Score: 1

    Has no one seen The 6th Day!? This is how it all starts. Pretty soon we're going to have cloned Arnold Schwarzenegger's running around. That's something I sure don't want, who needs more bad action movies?

  76. Hopefully they'll recognize... by allism · · Score: 1

    Hopefully these poor bereaved family members will recognize the beauty of uniqueness and understand that they won't be bringing back poor Fluffy, but will just be creating a poor imitation instead (I say poor imitation meaning that it will, at best, be similar, not that it will be a poor creation).

    Is anyone else disturbed by the fact that domestic cats are being cloned when you can go down to any animal shelter and pick up a cat in need of a loving home? Come on, that's about as useful as being able to clone a geek so that the geek-loving girl can have a bad imitation of her dead loved one instead of going out and picking up a new model that is in need of loving care and a good home (and don't EVEN try to tell me there aren't a surplus of those...).

    1. Re:Hopefully they'll recognize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I worry a lot more about the inevitable richies cloning their dead kids and not understanding they are not "the same person" than about cats. I worry a lot more that there might be people out there selfish enough to look past the reality that currently cloned mammals don't wind up being healthy.


      WRT the pound kitties, uh, no it doesn't bother me... mainly because of the tiny minority that have the tens of thousands to do this. And if I'm going to worry about immoral cat acquisition I'll focus on the millions of perfectly normal pedigreed cats and dogs idiots buy every year at pet stores and breededrs, rather than the exactly one cloned cat at Texas A&M.

  77. What? Clone's Got Your Tongue? by Wintersmute · · Score: 1

    And not a moment too soon. Someone's got to do something about all these f*ckin' cloned mice running around.

    Okay. Not funny... I know. Mod me down for that.

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  78. Not that tough by uslinux.net · · Score: 3, Funny

    I mean, cats practically clone themselves if left outdoors. Just look around my neighborhood

  79. Human Society v. Cloning by dasmegabyte · · Score: 2

    "The human society is against closing pets because of the dangers of overpopulation."

    Why? This is the smartest idea for pets ever. Think about it -- the Human Society encourages everybody to spay or neuter their pets to discourage overpopulation. Now what if we engineered pets that are genetically incapable of breeding? There's no danger of "accidents," no need to be cruel to unwanted pets. There's a much better means of discovering the nature of a pet. Want a dog that's good with children? Don't pay for a "breed" that's good with children, only to get a monster like my parents adopted(a stubborn 95 pound Airedale terrier). Pay for exactly the dog you want. Get exactly the size and colour animal that will fit your lifestyle, and don't worry about "cloned" personalities as personalities are developed through training.

    Sound sickening? It shouldn't. Cloned pets are a direct extension of breeding. It's not the orwellian nightmare that cloning humans is. And if all the cloned pets are cloned sterile (which, I might add, is a great deal for both the cloners and the pet loving public), there's no danger of overpopulation. It's not like a cloning machine can meet another cloning machine under the hedge and make whoopy.

    Think of it like seedless watermelons.

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    1. Re:Human Society v. Cloning by PD · · Score: 1

      Right on! I'm hoping to buy a chairdog before I die.

  80. Cat Sues Texas A&M by Oink.NET · · Score: 3, Funny

    The cat recently cloned by Texas A&M University filed a lawsuit against the university, claiming its DNA was illegally reverse-engineered. When asked for his opinion, the cat said, "I did not give my consent for those scientists to use my DNA, which has been a carefully guarded family secret for generations. How am I supposed to produce unique offspring now? Those gene sequences are MINE, dammit! I demand that the copycat be destroyed immediately. If I find out my gene sequences are available on Morpheus, I'm gonna be REALLY ticked. I'll fight this one all the way to the supreme court if I have to, if it takes me all nine of my lives."

  81. Remember Missyplicity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you remember, this was the name of the project to clone a dog named Missy.

    C'mon, it is kinda clever

  82. Vacuum Chamber... You *better* beleive it. by Bonker · · Score: 2

    Vacuum chamber? You're kidding, right? Please tell me you don't actually believe that.

    I wish I was wrong. I really do. Please remember that the SPCA is not necessarily related to the City-funded Animal Shelter. They may work closely together, for obvious reasons, but animals who are placed in SPCA shelters have a longer 'save' time and a better chance of being adopted.

    In my city, the two are actually in the same building, and when you take an animal to the pound, you can opt to pay an additional fee so that they are housed in the SPCA side of the shelter. They get 'lethal injection' rather than decompression when their time is up.

    Animals who are left in the city pound or are picked up off the streets don't have nearly such an easy time. They are given days, rather than a weeks or more, and when their time is up, they are placed in the vacuum chamber.

    God, I wish it wasn't true. I wish the donations I made to the SPCA would make it not true.

    Scarily enough, a common science project for high-schoolers interested in biology in my town is to take an animal carcas from the pound, render the flesh, and then reassemble the skeleton. When I was in high-school, my biology teacher had instructions on how to repair rib bones that had been broken when the animal's chest cavity exploded in the near-vacuum.

    This is in Texas, a big state, but the same state that is giving you 'CopyCat'.

    Yes, the research is important, and will be useful. But it should *never* be used to create pets or service animals when such an overpopulation of those domestic animals exist.

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  83. How long before humans by Ender77 · · Score: 1

    How long before we start seeing people cloning famous rock bands so that soon, we will start seeing clones of singers who all look alike and sound alike. ...Oh wait

  84. Activation Key by dcocos · · Score: 2, Funny

    I heard that the scientists were in trouble with the BSA, because the "mother" cat was clearly labeled with "Do not make illegal copies of this cat"

    I also heard that the cat won't work until it's activation key has been received from Microsoft.

  85. hehe by abolith · · Score: 1

    Mommy I thought fluffy went away.

    shut up and pet your new ca...I mean fluffy.

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  86. A simple solution ... by JonKatzIsAnIdiot · · Score: 0, Troll

    We already have deer season, bear season, elk season. Why not have kitty season and puppy season? Stalking strays through the urban wilderness with a 22-caliber air rifle loaded with darts would be a new challenge for the hunters - and they wouldn't even have to travel!

    1. Re:A simple solution ... by matrix29 · · Score: 1

      We already have deer season, bear season, elk season. Why not have kitty season and puppy season? Stalking strays through the urban wilderness with a 22-caliber air rifle loaded with darts would be a new challenge for the hunters - and they wouldn't even have to travel!

      And we can use our Daisy Air Rifles.
      Oh wait, that's on of the exact reasons they were encouraged NOT to sell them in comic books anymore
      .

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  87. I wonder by MsWillow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given the problems already showing up with Dolly the sheep, already having problems associated with old age, why not try cloning from a stem cell?

    I'd think that, by using the nucleus of an adult stem cell, you'd get all the DNA needed. Every strand of the DNA would then still have the telomers on it that gradually get "used up" when a normal cell divides. Perhaps that way, all the cells in the cloned animal would start out eactly the same as a normal embryo's cells.

    Perhaps that's the way to go, not by taking the nucleus out of just any old cell, but by using an adult stem cell. They seem to have found these in several sites on the adult body - in fat removed by liposuction, and in the fat behind the kneecap in humans. I'm sure they can find them in analogous places on animals.

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  88. Simply poetic by Milo77 · · Score: 1

    that the school which hosts Bush Sr.'s Presidential library would be making advances in cloning...

  89. Irish by GoogolPlexPlex · · Score: 0

    Meanwhile, scientists in Ireland have become the first in the world to seperate a Siamese cat.

  90. Next Step: Cloning Reveille by ddkilzer · · Score: 1

    Reveille is a collie, the mascot of Texas A&M University.

  91. control group by Deanasc · · Score: 2
    The one thing I'm surprised that more cloning advocates don't bring up is the use of cloned organisms in research. Clones should have the same DNA, the same genome. That's a given. Feed one clone a bunch of crap. Don't feed the control clone said crap. See who gets cancer if at all.

    Finally be able to say you controlled the experiment fully. None of those pesky but group x got cancer and group y didn't but group x was more prone to cancer kind of issues. Both the experimental group and control have the exact same predisposition. So feeding clones crap causes cancer end of story.

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  92. Scientists Clone Cat; God Files Suit by Skirwan · · Score: 4, Funny
    MILWAUKEE, WISCONSIN - In a brief press conference outside his part-time home in downtown Milwaukee, God, known to his devotees as the Lord Almighty, announced he was filing suit against a group of researchers at Texas A&M University. God alleges that the domestic cat is his unique creation and that the recent duplication of one of these common animals is a "serious infringement of [his] intellectual property rights". God went on to say that the his research laboratories, Scientology Labs, are hard at work on designing 'uncopyable' creatures which cannot be duplicated outside of the strict guidelines God has set down.

    "Ripping and sharing DNA is a crime, and it hurts Me on both a financial and a personal level," intoned the Deity, "and while it pains Me that I must file suit against My children, I must protect My intellectual property from drifting into the public domain, where it could be used by My competitors." God refused to specify which competitors he feared, or what they might do with the genetic algorithms.

    "God is simply trying to hold on to an illegally-gained monopoly," stated longtime competitor Satan at a press conference held shortly after in Redmond, Washington. "He's afraid that if genetic protocols are opened for public use, the market would be flooded with non-God organisms, which would of course detract from his brand," added Satan, better known by his stage name, "Prince of Darkness", or by his ubiquitous online handle, "PrttyKtty666". Satan claimed that numerous studies had shown great demand for a wider variety of animals, and that this is the scientific breakthrough that could eventually lead to world populated by Elves, Unicorns, and Dragons. "People love dragons. People love Unicorns. Hell, people even love dinosaurs! Did you ever see Jurassic Park?", opined the source of all evil.

    Other major figures in this field have yet to make their voices heard; Religious leaders Buddha, Krishna, Jesus of Nazareth, the Dalai Lama, and Oprah refused to take a stance one way or the other.
    The darkness drops again; but now I know
    That twenty centuries of stony sleep
    Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
    And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
    Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
  93. Biggest potential growth industry by Orangedog_on_crack · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Granted, there are going to be people that will have serious issues with the idea of cloning pets. But once the process is perfected for dogs and cats, pet cloning will be one of the biggest industries in the country.

    Think about this. How many people out there would pay serious money to have a chance to "hit the reset button" if something happens to a cherished pet. I've had a dog that died, like all dogs do. Nothing could replace her because she was unique and there are some things that even cloning can't copy. But I would have moved heaven and earth to have a chance to start over again with a puppy that would have at least grown up to look like her. Dare I say that my parents would have even taken out a 2nd mortgage on the house for the money if cloning was an option.

    This is more than just the "gee-whiz" factor of having the fastest PC or a TIVO with 2 Terabyte RAID storage. This is dealing with people's emotions and people with money will spend it like drunken sailors if they know that a few thousand dollars can get them an exact living, breathing, physical copy of their pet after they die.

  94. Is the cloned cat dead or alive? by MainframeKiller · · Score: 1


    I'm sure these people will be happy...

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  95. Perspective perhaps? by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 0

    I don't mean to sound insensitive or anything but how about a little perspective? I mean they are just cats and dogs. Not people. If I can eat a cow or pig or chicken on a daily basis, how can I get upset over the euthinasia of some stray animals?

    Furthermore as this tech advances, why should someone take in a stray when they could have a "perfect pet" designed to their exact specifications?

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    1. Re:Perspective perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps we should indulge in the pleasures of feasting on dog and cat... That would cure us of this idiotic personification of these food animals.

  96. Mc Kitty delight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now we can get consistent tasting Mc Cat from food chains anywhere in the world.

    This got to be the most expensive cat...

  97. Cash in now! by tomdarch · · Score: 1

    Quick! Patent the house cat! Nevermind that they're everywhere and have been around for a long time and that you had nothing to do with developing them, after all, Monsanto didn't develop many traditional strains of grain, but they own them anyway! The Patent Office doesn't care - just patent the cat before someone else does!

  98. Talk about redundancy... by RandomCoil · · Score: 1

    I guess this cat has 18 lives now. Geez.

    As a side note, I love all the comments about there already being a cat overpopulation problem. I just keep imagining a mad scientist wandering about, cloning cats at random just to be annoying.

    Come to think of it, this procedure actually allows the "more than one way to skin a cat" theory to be proven. Currently the best anyone can do is to show that one cat can be skinned in a different way than others. Note: I do not support the skinning of cats, though one must wonder what exactly cats did for such a phrase to exist.

    RC

  99. This is stupid. by evilpaul13 · · Score: 1

    I'm not trying to troll here, but there simply is no point to this. I own a cat. The little brat's name is Gambit. As you'll learn in any psychology class, genes aren't the only thing that affect personality/behavior. I like him a lot, but he'll die one day (probably well before I do).

    A genetically identical cat won't be the same cat, and would lead to the death of another cat sitting at the SPCA that could have been adopted instead. Sorry, but this is dumb.

  100. Selling false hopes by Berserker76 · · Score: 1

    ...regardless of all the religious ramifications and the danger that could be created by playing with our DNA/genes, people have got to realize that even if you clone a loved pet, or maybe even one day a spouse, child, ect...that living thing will only be similar in appearance, its personality, likes/dislikes will more then likely be very different. I hope the people spending millions of dollars to bring their beloved Rover back realize that. Can you imagine one day cloning your spouse only to find out that the clone wants nothing to do with you.

  101. I need a new cat by moonbeam · · Score: 1

    Here at catmanor.com, I name my computers after my cats. My firewall is Sebastian, he is a ragdoll. He is very quiet, but if you don't treat him nice, he totally ignores you. My 2 processor smp database and application server is Mink. Mink is a cat that you don't want to get mad. She is fast with her claws and has a quick attitude. My name server is called Amadeaus. Amadeaus is a rare breed called a Chantilly-tiffiny that I got from a breeder in Canada. When I got him, he was the only one located in the US. He is very vocal, and follows me around the house. You ank him a question, he responds with an answer. A perfect name server. Finally, there is Callisto. He is a laptop or a turkish angora; depending if you are talking about the hardware or the cat. He is my lap cat. When I sit down, Callisto is there. A permanent lap rug.

    Here is my problem. I have a new name server called Io, and an Apple flatpanel iMac on order. I need more cats!

    I see this new technology as a possible solution to my problem. I can make copies of my CD's, why not my cats!

    William

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  102. The next step is near ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Copying the ultra-sexy wife of some rich dude.

  103. REPET by HeavensTrash · · Score: 1

    Even though the movie was really bad, I think the 80 year old guy got the idea for this company (clone dead pets) from the Schwarzenegger movie "The Sixth Day".

  104. Fire up those gene sequencers! by Ogerman · · Score: 2

    In other related news..

    The Free Software Foundation announced Thursday the beginning of a new 'software' project known as "gnuCat' and a related project 'CatGNiP'. From RMS's announcement, "Building the perfect feline companion through a collaborative community effort will ensure that the species' genetic code remains free of restrictive licensing and that users will be able to modify and extend their cats to suit their needs.' For example, users of gnuCat will be able to configure the cat's color, size, obesity, and proclivity to scratch furniture, using a simple ncurses menu system. gnuCat developers are already discussing a new way to automatically configure the cat's code based on the user's personality. One group is already working on a branch of the CVS tree for a cat that has no claws or teeth and eats only an inexpensive paste made from common household ingredients. Another developer is working on a pre-emptive patch for gnuCat which allows it to be more responsive in deciding whether it wants to go outside or stay in. Project leader Felinus Hairballs says, "We're hoping to have gnuCat litter trained out-of-the-"box" by version 2.0"

  105. Yeah but.. by Ogerman · · Score: 2

    don't we already have enough Katz?

  106. Reminds me of by Tusaki · · Score: 1

    the movie "the 6th Day"

    http://us.imdb.com/Title?0216216

  107. Schroedinger's cat? by thogard · · Score: 1

    When I saw this picture on this page I was thinking those are odd boxes to keep cats in.

  108. First Post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Had to say it

  109. How to make a cat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have they considered sexual reproduction? I hear it works pretty well.

  110. OT: Re:The other project by I.+M.+Bur · · Score: 1

    This seems like a whole new category of every-post-has-at-least-one-of-theese comments... There's already CowboyNeal... Beowulf clusters... "One Rings To Rule Them All"... goatse.cx (no link, can you imagine?)... CmdrTaco's proposal... What next?

    1. Re:OT: Re:The other project by rjamestaylor · · Score: 1

      You forgot "Slashdot sux", etc... ;-)

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  111. bad copies = bad PR by mikey573 · · Score: 1

    It breaks my heart to think of how many cats they killed before they got a "working" copy. Of course, they probably won't tell the press that. Its bad public relations. It also makes me wonder how many pet owners would want to copy their pet while realizing that their decision will likely result in the death of multiple bad copies in the process. Quite shameful. Its like killing your pet multiple times over, just to get one copy of the pet back.

  112. Dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For a moment I thought you meant Jessica Alba Why can't they clone something useful????