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Enterprise Season Premiere Tonight
l0key432 writes "Enterprise, Star Trek's fifth series, begins its second season on UPN tonight at 8pm/7pm central with the episode Shockwave Part II, airing just before the series premier of the new 'The Twilight Zone' show at 9pm/8pm central. Shockwave II is the conclusion to last season's season-ending cliff-hanger, and additional info can be found at this page(possible spoilers!) on StarTrek.com." Of course with my luck, it'll be pre-empted by some sporting event.
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Hopefully something tragic will happen and they will have to enter the decontamination room and spread goo on each other again!!!!
No I didnt spell check this post...
Forget preempted, around here you need that fancy digital cable thingy to even get the channel its on.
And digital cable sux0r oh so very much : (
You can't take the sky from me...
Yes, well it may be airing if your in a certain part of the world, but for everywhere else in the world, it's not.
/. readers are from North America !
Oh - but wait - I forgot ! - 99.9% of
Silly me...
A slashdotting - you get the stick first and then the carrot !
Can anyone put it in the donkey network and post the link here?
Just finished watching 2x01! Satellite feeds rock! :-)
-adnans
"In short: just say NO TO DRUGS, and maybe you won't end up like the Hurd people." --Linus Torvalds
Aside from the "get a life" fanboy/girls at trekbbs.com, does anyone really care about this show? Or find it remotely interesting? I dunno, I watch the occasional episode, and it just doesn't go anywhere. It all feels too calculated. Maybe season 2 will be better.
I don't even get UPN. :(
What was that I just dra...
It can't be worse than DS9, can it ?
You ever notice how sometimes an executive producer (like Lorne Michaels of Saturday Night Live) gets a job and then never leaves?
Wouldn't it do some good for the franchise for some change? Whether you like Rick Berman and Brannon Bragga or not, a new perspective would be nice...
So if you haven't seen it, someone else here probably has. So you don't want to read on if you want to avoid spoilers.
So essentially ... SPOILER ALERT(!!) for this whole story.
Since the television stations in my country haven't even made effort to air the first season this year,
I'll keep an eye out for it on alt.binaries.multimedia.startrek and alt.binaries.startrek , thanks to the people there I've been able to follow the first season.
It aired last night on an independant station in Calgary, Alberta, Canada last night at 8pm MT. Pretty decent start to a new season IMHO.
It was on last night on one of the local networks.. Time cops are the worst thing ever added to the ST universe.
Clearly the new focuse of Enterprise is sex. Then again Kirk was always making out with aliens.. O well.
EA David Gardner -"... but the consumers have proven that actually what they want is fun."
I didn't realize that upn carried sports... And the way that they having been hyping this, there is no way that it would happen. Are we bitter about someting?
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Well, if you were fortunate enough to live in Canada, then you would have seen it last night.
It was good, VERY good. At least I liked it.
Have fun, I promise not to give anything away here. (Other than the obvious, that they "get out of it" in the end)
If you watch the trailer you see dupall(?) in bed with man, he looks vulcan. But aside from that point, I am curiouse how they are gonig to deal with the whole "Archer Stuck Deep into the futur" problem.
I'm sure if they re-calirbrate the pulse-ION beam into a phase shifted Proton scan they can grab him... Hehehe, God I love that show.
"CPU's Don't make mistakes....They just miss a few cycles sometimes..."
I feel bad for those New Yorkers who won't be able to record it. :(
I have always liked Star Trek, but I don't like Enterprize. The original series and The Next Generation had something in comon - each eppisode had some kind of philosopherical and interlectual point to ponder in it. The eppisodes were clever and subtle.
This new Enterprize isn't like that. It's part of the mod scene, which means brash, sleezly, violent, and mainly concerned with chest thumping. It's more like rebranded WWF than the Star Trek of old.
It's already been broadcast in the east coast.
;-) just having a little fun.
Sorry about the spoiler.
Well it's that time of year; time to dust off the P2P applications and try and hunt down a copy of the show before I leave for work.
Over on this part of the great pond Enterprise is not showing on TV, so this is the only way I can get my fix.
Note to Self: must get to the shops and buy some CD-Rs.
Patriotism is the opium of the masses
A question for those that have already seen it: Does it have the same horrific opening theme song?
Enterprise IS boring.
Plus, the "Dear Doctor" episode really really pissed me off. Leave an entire race to die, get laid! What a great moral...
Frankly, I only really watched Enterprise because Special Unit 2 was on afterwards, and after they took SU2 off the air, there was no reason to watch Enterprise any more.
I'm looking forward to Firefly on Friday. Joss Whedon writing, and Ben Edlund to keep the show going after Joss loses interest.
Jon Acheson
All opinions expressed herein are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled.
What about his left?
The Lone Gunmen are dead, by the way.
If you are wondering where the archetypal "searching for humanity" character is on this show, it is reportedly Captain Archer's dog Porthos.
After having his brain advanced 1,000,000 dog years, Porthos will become an ensign and have to grapple with an Earth that does not grant individual freedoms to dogs. Look for episode "Man's Best Friend" where Porthos is deemed the propery of Starfleet and Archer must argue that Porthos deserves to makes his own choices.
Actually, shouldn't it be Premiere? (It's the premier episode, but a season premiere.)
Beware typoes.
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Unfortunately they seem to be out of stock right now if you were thinking of building your own Warp engine.
Great premise, likeable characters and good actors.
It got off to a great start. The Broken Bow was easily the best of the Trek pilots.
So what's the problem? It almost seems as if the producers want Enteprise to ASPIRE to be as mediocre as Voyager was.
It's stuck in that "nothing can change week to week" mentality that Paramount has long imposed on Trek. Worse, it's not even particularly bad like Voyager was early on... it's just... there. More often then not, it's not good or bad. Just something I could care less about.
The Temporal Cold War is at least a step in the right direction, even if I think they've removed too much of the mystery from it. Compare "Future Guy's" appearance in the pilot to what it was in the finale. Initially, you couldn't tell anything about him and there was that cool distortion effect. Now, he looks like a guy dressed in stage black.
Sullick and Daniels are a little too black & white. I wished they could've pretened for more than a fraction of an episode that the Suliban might actually be the good guys. Or that there were no good guys in this fight.
But the fact that they have an continuing, if infrequently returned to, storyline is a positive step. Having *consistant* internal continuity is generally a good thing for a show. It's an incentive to watch, when done properly.
As it is, I generally don't care about Enterprise.
Of course with my luck, it'll be pre-empted by some sporting event.
That sure as hell beats getting pre-empted by some terrorist attack.
Some real sci-fi!
I'm so sick of waiting for new episodes. Enterprise is, bar none, the best sci-fi show on TV.
That includes Farscape. "We fired our writers and hired a 6th grade creative writing class!"
I mean come on. Fucking telepathic clams? This is supposed to be quality!??! Not to mention that the alien races look worse than most Halloween costumes! If you think those are good, you obviously haven't been involved in any theater!
I'm looking forward to having some good sci-fi. Fortunately, even when Star Trek sucks (which Enterprise most definitely doesn't), it's better than Farscape, Babylon "We Love Politics" 5, and Star "Overacting is not optional" Wars.
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With OUR luck, the ending will be reported in a Slashdot article on the front page.
This now concludes our broadcast day.
Not everyone wants to watch the Sci Fi equivalent of a morality play or a sociology lecture. Sometimes its nice to watch some ass get kicked instead of "lets discuss this in my ready room" followed by 10 minutes of interminable hand wringing and "but the prime directive says we can't shoot anyone who's attacking us , we have to feel their pain and understand where they're coming from". Gimme a f*cking break.
Unless of course the editors meant premiere which is the first public performance of something. Nahhh.
Star Trek? "I hope it doesn't get pre-empted by some sporting event?"
Better change your pocket protector before the show so you don't have to change your shirt if your pens explode!
Nerd. This is why IT professionals are looked at like such dorks. Us normal IT guys get a bad wrap.
As further testament of Star Trek's near universal appeal, I read this on ESPN Page 2 yesterday...
Last spring, "Enterprise" wound up with part one of a time-travel cliffhanger. You may recall that in the original Captain Kirk episodes -- which come after "Enterprise" chronologically, since the new series is a prequel -- time travel was depicted as an astonishing discovery.
In "Enterprise," time travel has already happened several times and is practically viewed as common. So how could Kirk, who is supposed to be born years after the era depicted in "Enterprise," not have known that? And how come in "Enterprise," the Vulcans are the big spacefaring power in Earth's part of the Milky Way, their ships and diplomats everywhere -- but in the Captain Kirk episodes, which happen later, the Vulcans are depicted as an insular, technologically modest people, and Spock is described as the first Vulcan ever to explore space.
"Chances of RHIC-induced Armageddon are exceedingly rare, but... you never know." - MIT Physicist Bob Jaffe
Star Trek executive producer Brannon Braga called Farscape the "whiz doodle" of sci-fi.
What does this mean?!
Time Travel.
Wesley.
I was looking forward to Enterprise and its promise not to use a particle-of-the-week approach to wrapping up each episode. I'm afraid the temporal cold war sounds like another crutch for weak screen writers. Heck, even ESPN's Tuesday morning quarterback is left questioning the situation (find near the end of the article).
At the end of the cliffhanger, something goes horribly wrong and Archer and the agent from the future find themselves again in the San Francisco apartment, but 900 years later. All San Francisco lies in smoking ruins; something Archer did in the past has altered the time line, and that's the cliffhanger. But what TMQ noticed was that except for broken windows, Archer's apartment looked exactly the same in the 31st century as it had in the back-to-the-past scene in the 22nd century. Nothing in Archer's apartment had changed in 900 years.
You know your in trouble when the dumb Jocks are smart enough to figure out something is wrong here.
One of the major problems with Enterprise is that TIME TRAVEL SUCKS. It's been completely overdone, BADLY, particularly on Trek, and I for one am not going to watch any more time travel eps.
Because they're ALL THE SAME EPISODE: crew encounters time wedgie. Crew solves time wedgie puzzle. Time returns to normal. Teenage son lies to a cute girl at school to impress her, but gets found out and learns an important lesson about honesty. Roll credits.
Jon Acheson
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Of course with my luck, it'll be pre-empted by some sporting event.
You're a lucky fellow, then?
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Do ya feel happy-go-lucky, punk?
OK, Canada saw it last night, those of you in the states with UPN will get it tonight, anybody any idea when it's due to appear in the UK? (any channel, which most likely means Sky 1, right)
Pretty impressive considering the show starts before the theme song. Sorry, but it had to be said.
For those of you in St. Louis who don't know, channel 46 (currently home shopping) will become a UPN station next April. The owners were nice enough to strike a deal with HSN to show two hours of UPN a week until their contract runs up in April. Enterprise will run this Friday at 7pm (last years last episode) and 8pm (this years first). Next week, Enterprise will show at 7 and Buffy at 8.
There's an article out on the post dispatch web site, but I don't feel like looking for it right now.
... the only thing that can save the enterprise now is Ziggy, everyone's favorite time travel probability computer!
Offtopic? Twice? This is a person that wrote about watching Enterprise in an article about Enterprise.
Hardly the most insightful comment ever, but certainly on topic.
Mainly that it sucks total ass.
Have you noticed that since Gene Roddenberry's death the franchise has truly suffered?
Sure, the showrunners bristled at Gene's humanist view and various objections to darker themes - but sure enough, since his death the franchise has continually become less-and-less "beloved."
There are so many elements that ignore Roddenberry's view in Enterprise that I wonder if it is the first show that is hardly "Star Trek" at all?
Shockwave ? I already told you that I hate those flash plugins !
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you know *you're* in trouble when the dumb Jocks are smart enough to know when to use an apostrophe :D
Been waiting for ages and ages for the new star trek to air here. When o when will it come :(
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Of course with my luck, it'll be pre-empted by some sporting event.
That counts as good luck in my book. A good game sounds a lot more interesting.
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The theme song reminds me of Bon Fucking Jovi. Every time.
I end up muting the entire intro. "Faith! Of the heart!"... um, yeah. Talk about an overdone mass of pretentious musical wanking. Only thing that could have made it worse is a big-hair band, all in spandex, banging their heads and jumping in sync.
Has our desire to willingly accept anything "sci-fi" or "trek" completely blinded us to absolute banality of enterprise?
Yes, yes it has. Now if you don't mind, I'm going to try to find Enterprise-2x01-Shockwave_pt2 on the p2p networks!
I see. Sounds like you're a "special" case.
I'd suggest trying out the Gnome distro from Ximian, HTH.
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We tend to forget that people involved with a specific popular thing have a perspsective bigger than that one thing. I don't know if Roddenberry would personally like Enterprise, but I'm certain he would judge it first as a television show and second as Star Trek. After all, he was a veteran writer, director and producer who did plenty of television other than Star Trek. I bet Gene would think pretty well of Enterprise as television, and would certainly allow that this one is somebody else's baby.
Im sure the souls of the victims have better things to do, like play harps or eat grapes with 72 young virgins, than watch in horror as we enjoy the first episode of the season of Enterprise.
That's all very well and good, but do the Lone Gunmen get killed?
Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
Nice waste of your +1 bonus there, Sparky.
How do you figure that Ximian is "Icaza free"? Are you implying that Ximian have stripped out all of the original code written by him?
On other news, Macromedia today announced that it will be sponsoring the season-ending cliffhangers for this season and the next one as well.
Under the scenario being considered, this season might end with a nailbiting mystery about a Flash, while next season might feature some FireWorks in its finale. Readers will note that this is in addition to a four-hour long episode featuring the Starship Enterprise undergoing ColdFusion.
More than mere navel gazing.
I will be doing my part for world peace by not killing a single person while I watch Star Trek.
World peace through couch potatoism. Lazy people don't kill people.
I get to wait till saturday to see the premiere!! :(
Did you notice how much better TNG got after he died? Did you notice that Roddenberry was egomaniac who claimed he had every good idea? Read Harlan Ellison's "City on the Edge of Forever" for a strongly opinionated (from Harlan? No way!) and documented (Harlan kept track? No way!) counter-view of "The Great Bird of the Galaxy."
Enterprise is a slight improvement over Voyager, but it won't go anywhere. These are the same Hollywood types who produced Voyager, which had incredibly inconsistent characters, couldn't keep track of where the ship was, and huge plot events evaporated the following episode. They had a brief moment of glory when they introduced Seven, who actually had a character development story arc. Once the ratings went up, it was back to the same old grind.
I could go on all day, citing chapter and verse, but it would just give me another ulcer. Why can't these idiots write? This is why the Trek franchise will never amount to anything: No one with a brain or a heart is running it, and they wouldn't recognize real writing if it fell in their lunch.
A sig is a waste of bits.
See, they come up with great initial ideas, and then sort of shlop them right afterwards. This is getting tremedously annoying. I don't know what's worse, the pain of waiting for it or the disappointment of the delivery of something horrible. I'll watch, probably enjoy most of it, then go to a coffee shop later and wonder why I put so much faith in two guys who constantly make me feel like an idiot viewer (maybe I am, but I think more than the other guys).
"It's here, but no one wants it." - The Sugar Speaker
Since Roddenberry's death, there have been what, 400 episodes of the show, 5 movies, and untold numbers of books, comics, etc. Perhaps we've become so inundated with Trek that it's no longer 'beloved'.
The greatest thing that happened to Trek was when GR was moved to EP. Go look at some of the garbage that was made/produced during his reign. This is primarily season three of TOS and season one of TNG. Utter crap.
DS9 is easily the most underrated show of all Trekdom. The last few seasons were wonderful. Thanks in no small part to the fact that GR wasn't around to bitch and mess it up.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
There are billions and billions of stories in the naked universe, this has been one them.
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All that red hair, and the full bosom.
Spreading gel all over the Vulcan chick.
Beverly Crusher, Queen of the MILFs
Mmmmmmm
"Live Free or Die." Don't like it? Then keep out of the USA
Yeah, it is damn irritating when they replace entertainment with sport.
Cancelled my subscription to a local channel after this happened one time too many.
What sports would UPN have to prempt a show?
IMHO, the episode Shuttlepod One was one of the best Star Trek episodes I've ever seen.
Basically Reed and Trip are on a shuttlepod out in the middle of nowhere and it looks like the Enterprise has been destroyed. The pod is damaged and they have a very limited amount of air left. And they are light years away from anything.
It was Sci-Fi at it's best, a human drama between Trip's completely irrational hope (although deep down he knows the truth) and Reed's attempt to prepare for their pending deaths. They deal with things like whether or not to be comfortable and just accept death or be miserable and squeeze out a few more hours.
I'll take one of those episodes over 10 technobabble shows anyday.
Brian Ellenberger
Some mistake I think
Did someone forget to count The Animated Series?
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Best. Movie. Ever. :-)
Ah, finally, a Star Trek character I can identify with -- a drunken engineer.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
Saw it last night!!!!
So counting the Star Trek cartoon, wouldn't this be the sixth series?
Did you see that 30 second episode teaser?!!!
All I can say is... "Unnnggghhhhh... ahhhh...."
I just hope that my Fiance doesn't see me do that drooling tonight...
-.-
If you ignore the other uses of a tool, does that make the tool less useful, or you less useful?
And it's run by the evil Osima Ban Luden, right :)
It's "Suliban", BTW.
Great premise, likeable characters and good actors.
Boy am I ever stunned to read this. You actually like the characters? I've always thought that the unlikeableness (is that a word? no? oh well...) of the characters it the main reason why I think the show is below average. I'm curious as to which characters you like. I've always liked The Original Series, even with it's hokey elements, because I respected the characters. I would have loved to serve on board the Enterprise under Kirk because I respected the abilities and personalities of the crew. But here's how I see the Enterprise crew under Archer:
Well, I could go on and on. I understand that this show is supposed to be about mankind's first tentative steps into space so please spare me the follow-up posts telling me that the characters ought to be poor at their jobs. It's just that it's not interesting to me to watch people who seem borderline-incompetant representing humanity in space. I would certainly not want to serve aboard Archer's Enterprise. I would fear for my safety and I sure wouldn't be able to take orders from the meatheads in charge.
Honestly, people really like the Enterprise crew? I'm still stunned about this. Is it just me who finds this new group as unpalatable as the Voyager group (and, yes, I realize I'm inviting jokes about 'palatable' and how that word relates to 7of9 or T'Pol)?
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You dumbasses are all hell-bent on arguing the virtues of ENTERPRISE which, however bad it may be, is better than no STAR TREK at all. What about Twilight Zone? Absent all these years, re-tooled back to original style with a walking host, the always superb Forrest Whitaker, with his creepy lazy-eye. This is a bigger piece of cultural history than even STAR TREK. I'll watch the new ENTERPRISE - I'll record the new TWILIGHT ZONE.
--- yr pal cal "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
* T'Pol: For someone who is supposedly devoid of emotions, she acts like a pouty little child an awful lot.
* 3rd in command (whatever his name is): Whines a hell of a lot.
* Hoshi: Probably competant in her work but you really can't trust her to keep her head when things get rough.
* Doctor: Need I say anything here?
What? You mean the characters have (gasp) FLAWS?!?!?
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
UPN is Channel 50 in Detroit. Those... er.. rat bastards keep showing "The Detroit Pistons" or "The Detroit Red Wings" games instead of Enterprise... It really irks me sometimes...
Hopefully when Digital comes out, you will have a choice of watching Channel 50A (Enterprise) or Channel 50B (Red Wings Hockey)...
Of course, with my future wife... We will be watching Red Wings Hockey... Which isn't to bad. (After the game is always very nice...)
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If you ignore the other uses of a tool, does that make the tool less useful, or you less useful?
I LOVE the premise. My problem is that I don't feel like they are the first ones out in space.
:)
Setup: First humans in deep space, only "friends" are the Vulcans that Archer hates.
Obvious Solution: Find new friends, make new allies.
Archer's Solution: Piss everyone off, choose moral high ground over allies, make no new friends, etc.
It's a strange new world, they should start becoming friendly with more powerful races. Instead, he is content to be a jerk.
The very anti-semetic pro-terrorist episode REALLY offended me. A though-provokative episode showing that the anti-terrorist rhetoric can be flawed would be a GREAT Trek episode, in the vein of some of the ST:TOS episodes. Instead we get a 1-sided episode where there Arab-looking terrorist is a great, friendly guy, and the leader of the anti-terrorist contigent looked very Jewish.
ST:TNG tackled the terrorism question, pointed out that if Washington lost, he'd have been a terrorist.
Enterprise is a LOT like Buffy. Most episodes are mediocre, some of them show tremendous promise that they'll be great episodes, but the good ones end with a cheap ending that disappoints. Each week, we tune in, ready for more disappointment... Maybe that should be UPN's slogan.
Alex
I heard somewhere they were planning to can Enterprise after series 1, and that would have been a tragic waste of a good idea. I'll probably have a while to wait till i see series 2 though, i'm in the UK with no digital TV ATM :-(
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I hope they make a series to go after Voyager too, it'd be so cool seeing more of the armour and transphasic torpedoes from the finale
Right now I'm using FVWM. Once you figure out the configuration files, it's great. (Or, if you want real simplicity, go with TWM. I used to use it.)
I think he means to say, the flaws in the characters are not really matched with enough positive aspects to make them worth watching.
I really wish they would kill off Hoshi. Every time she speaks, I cringe, because I know she is just going to whine like she is PMSing.
I'm watching Fast Lane. If it's half as good as the commericals it should be a blast.
Wasn't that a Voyager episode, with Torres and Paris stuck in space suits (not even a shuttlecraft) with the ship nowhere in sight and the air running out?
And wasn't something similar done in DS-9, somewhere in the Delta quadrant before the war?
This episode might have been new, but the writers keep treading over the same ground.
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. -- H L Mencken
Scene: A passage in the Enterprise. Several enlisted men are standing about waiting to go through a door marked "Restroom".
SM2 (SPACEMAN 2nd CLASS) PETERS: Yeah... 'n so I gotta spend the next 14 days cleaning the bridge.
SM1 CHUNG: Awww mannn! You got screwed BIG time!
SM2 PETERS: 'N that ain't the worst of it! So I'm standin' there waiting for PO Snuffy to turn on the freakin' generator, 'n I'm standing there holding the buffer, when alla the sudden Cap'n Archer walks in. He looks at PO Snuffy, points at me 'n goes [Mimics Captain Archer's voice] "Doesn't that spaceman have anything better to do, Snuffy?"
SM1 CHUNG: [Slapping head in disbelief] Awww no!
SM3 HERNANDEZ: Noooooooo!
SM2 PETERS: Yeah... So the PO hides the porncorder while Archer's lookin' at me, and he goes "Peters! Start buffing the deck!!!" and I go "YESSIR!" and I leave the hold, buffer and all.
CHUNG & HERNANDEZ: [Laughs]
SM2 PETERS: Yeah. It was pretty messed up. But anyway, the Vulcan-babe-F.O. was with the Captain!
SM3 HERNANDEZ: Oooooooooo!
SM1 CHUNG: Man-o-man! I'd like to show her what I had "augmented" on the last shore leave.
ALL: [Snickers]
SM2 PETERS: So anyway, it looked like the Captain and FO Hottie were getting ready to
go to the decontamination room again...
Suddenly Chief Petty Officer Nixon rounds a corner.
CPO NIXON: Goddamit you shitheads! Get back to work! NOOOOWWWW!
The only thing that we learn from history is that nobody learns anything from history.
Star Trek==lame, boring, overdone, too long on tv, crappy movies, same plots over and over and over and over and over and over. The fans are need to get lives and should have listened to Shatner when he said "Get a Life!" cuz he was onto something there.
Enterprise is the worst of the lot (except for Voyager, which is so terrible it can't even be classified as a TV show.) If TV would be a toilet then Trek is the shit that drops in it, and like shit it needs to get flushed away once and for all.
The Star "lets pretend that all aliens look exactly like a human but with different skin color" Trek horse has been dead for so many years and it still getting whippped! Stop it, put it out if it's misery-don't watch trek and it will go away!
Well one thing's for sure. The craft is too small to lose one or two extras on every away team. But one thing I can't figure out. How come the Klingons look like the Klingons from the next generation and not the first. Have they been doing a bit of the time warp. "Lets do the time warp tonight" opps wrong show.
yeah, the could have mulder and the lone gunmen beamed to the future in a future eppisode of the time wars, they help stop the war and get beamed back before the died!!!!!!
Yeah, but it has Jolene Blalock in a tight outfit. That makes up for most of the suckiness.
You're creating a self fulfilling prophecy. You know they get half thier story ideas from Slashdot trolls.
I rather prefer Farscape than Star Trek. It is more in phase with the "human nature". But Enterprise is really ok.
This has got to be the lamest long term plot device a Trek series could ever employ because it so cheapens the series on a whole-- The fact that the Pioneers really didn't do it on their own, but had there hand held every step of the way by some time traveling agent. It's sad, really; beyond the bungling they normally engage in they. They are freakin out manned, out gunned and have only one ship on the frontier and the best the script writers can come up with is the happy-go-lucky adventures of the Starship Enterprise?
Honestly, exploring the frontier should have been enough, with all the technological advancements to be made and races to be encountered. Throw in something wierd here, a hint of a possible temporal cold war there and they should have been set. The Trek history is more than rich enough to sustain a series like this one on it's own. Notice I said hint. Not bathing the viewer in time travel higgly-piggly like the writeres here do. A little forshadowing or chance encounters, but not the bat upside the head like they've been doing. It's sick. I'm not bashing ST:E simply because it's not my ideal, but more because it's just plain sloppy.
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If Scottie was ever the true Scotsman he played in StarTrek TOS and those 6 films, he must have had a storage for his scotch somewhere. A Scot abroad isn't complete without a decent supply of Whisky
We need another eye popping decontamination scene like last year!
Are you ready for some FOOTBALL!!!!!
TiVo + Season Pass(Enterprise) + Season Pass(Junkyard Wars) == Happiness
What, i'm easy to please.
Downloaded it this morning
I still chuckle at both of those...
"History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme." Mark Twain
Apparently the NX-01 "bumps into" an alien ship. This is the cause of the debris field that Trip and Reed find.
See, Trip and Reed are off testing the weapons on the shuttlepod, which needs to be done a long long long long long way away (out of communications, no doubt).
By the time the two finish their tests and reach the 'meeting point' the NX-01 isn't there anymore because it is so damn important for Archer to ferry the de-shipped aliens home that they strand a warp-incapable shuttlepod out in the middle of nowhere. Hell, Archer doesn't even do the simple courtesy of leaving the poor guys a message of any sort saying "don't go anyplace, we'll be back soon, try not to choke while you're waiting".
More damningly, we are not even presented with any compelling reasons why the aliens need to get where they're headed right now, nor why Archer can't simply warp to the shuttlepod, cut their weapon testing short, pick 'em up and take the aliens home. He just leaves the meeting point without so much as a "bbiam" message, nor collecting the spare hull plating (what do they patch the hole with? hmm??).
That, combined with blatant scientific errors like using fingers and mashed potato as hull sealant, body hair growth after death and the supposed "drop your impulse engine and you slow down even in space"... well..
I suppose it was a good character piece, if two people getting drunk and discussing the local Vulcan ass is 'characterization'.
I could have gotten into the episode so much more if it wasn't a completely contrived situation. But the fact of the matter is, all it takes is a little bump for brave Captain Archer to strand his two best buddies in the middle of nowhere for three days while he ferries strange aliens someplace unimportant.
But what the hell! It was a "character" ep! Right??
Please tell me they dumped that suck-ass theme song.
Goran
Carpe Scrotum - The only way to deal with your competition.
What's amusing is that the end result of all this moralizing is the Prime Directive. Under that philosophy, the Federation is allowed to help a race provided that their civilization has crossed the arbitrary line of developing warp technology. If the race hasn't quite made it there, then it's just too damn bad for them. Post-warp civilizations' destiny is apparently impervious to interference.
It reminds me of the strict ethical codes that medical researchers must obey with respect to research animals. When performing experiments on a mouse, for instance, there are strict guidelines one must follow to insure that the animal is treated humanely. If that same mouse jumps off the table and runs out of the room, it immediately becomes "vermin", and you could pluck its legs off one at a time with impunity.
That's the type of "rule-book" ethics that Star Trek loves. It always irritates me the way Trek episodes always justify their characters actions and make them seem heroic-- there's a token amount of reget, but not enough to get them down. It always struck me that a lot of these episodes should really end with the main characters lying around in a drunken stupor and contemplating suicide.
People are bringing up the comparison of the Neanderthals and Homosapiens. Doesn't anyone remember the television series Slider which came on FOX and then moved to the Sci-Fi Channel?
I think it was the Neanderthals (?) and Homosapiens were living on the same world in one dimension, and either one was the dominant and subjected species and they never got a long. Maybe Enterprise also ripped this plot too!!
What is they too could live together, but the series never showed that, each was trying to exterminate the other ala Nazi style.
Yep, I like the characters. They're not military caricatures like they were in (early) TNG.. They're not hams like TOS.. They seem real, genuine.. What's not to like? Sure, Hoshi is a little whiney.. But Trip and Malcolm are great. And the captain has a good mix of annoying self-righteousness and childlike enthusiasm.
Best. Star Trek Series. Ever.
Seriously.
Cheers,
Backov
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... the Space Hippies! With Hutch (of Starsky &... fame) playin' his groovy electric space banjo, jammin' with Spock. I bet they could share some heavy space herb, too. That's what I want to see! Yeah! Roddenberry rules!
That is all.
I don't know about the rest of you, who are probably a lot older than me (I'm barely 18), but Enterprise is the only Star Trek series I can bear to watch. And I actually enjoy it, and have planned to watch it tonight.
The reason a lot of you probably don't like it is because it's different from the geeky Star Trek you know and love. This one is more humble, down to earth - more "Human" and contemporary. The technology is actually feasable, and I'm being introduced to the new races and themes. When I would watch Deep Space Nine or Voyager, I would be confused. There was just too much going on, and too much plot which requires you to already know something about Star Trek.
But in Enterprise, it is much more enjoyable. I am actually being introduced into the Star Trek universe just as the cast "Crew" are. And that's why I enjoy it, and continue to watch it.
The problem with the later Star Trek shows as compared to the originals is obvious. SoundFX. The original was alive with all sorts of cool noises. I especially likes the bridge science station one which sounded like one of those mechanical black flipping toy dogs.
Boof! Boof! Beep! Beep! Chuff! Whirr! Eeeooop! Woop! Woop! Shhhhhssst! Fooot! Errrrp! Woof! Ping! Chirp! Eeek! Blip! Blip! Eeewwwwwuup! Woof! Woof! Zing! Chufff! Bleep! Buzzzz! Ping! Ping! Wooof! Zip! Plink! Shuffffft! Werrrrt! Wooof! Woof! Eeeeurpppp! Zing! Booof! Booof! Fleeep! Fleeep! Damn...it... Spo...ock! Splurrrt! Woof! Woof! Zip! Bong! Bleep! Bleep! Eeeep! Wizzz! Splat! Bzzzzzzz! Ftzzzzzzt! Bleep! Wooop! Whippp! Errrk! Ping! Gong! Zipp! Zippp! Farrrt! Chuffff! Chuffff! Shuuuzzzzz! Zip! Plonk! Blip! Fritzzzz! Blipp! Fting! Ptawng! Woof! Woof! Fliptang! Eeek! Blip! Blip! Booof! Fleeep! Splurrrt! Woof! Woof! Zip! Bong! Ripppp!
Picard used to dip his bald head in oil, and rub it all over her body.
I'm not complaining about the Rod Stewart sounding song -- somebody else will likely do it for me.... I'm complaining about the opening title's visuals.
They are trying to show these space "firsts", like the moonlanding, and the first warp drive ship -- but please, where are the Russians in all this?
I mean, they show Alan Shepard, which is fine, but where the hell is Yuri Gagarin? If they really wanted to present a history of Earth space travel, it needs to be more balanced.
Esign Chekov would be displeased with this vision of the Future -- where only Americans have gone into Space.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
In Britain, a van and lorry are different things- lorry is usually larger.
Rick Berman to writers:
OK... We have 25yrs or so of history that we can't keep straight anymore. How can we manage this?
Writers:
Temporal Cold War changes the time line.
Rick Berman:
Poof
Fans:
That can't happen yet...
Rick Berman:
Yes it can, new Time Line!!!
Fans:
&%^&%^&$$&
Rick Berman:
What!!! I just changed the rules... just like Kirk
After all, if he hadn't flamed Enterprise in his original story, this thread would be filled with nothing but the highest praise for the show, right?
I should have picked out the nickname Demosthenes!Tecumseh.
In the season finale, Archer, Vulcan Chick and Trip did a smash 'n grab on the baddies space ship. Depriving Enterprise of ALL their senior leadership.
That situation was just crying out for a heavily armed and armoured team of Marines, all of whom know what to grab, and just enjoy the hell out of powerfull and advanced weaponry.
My .2 cents.
Someone else has this problem too? And I thought it was just the hayseeds running this chickenshit UPN station here in Charleston that was doing it. I'm not alone!!!!
Anyone know what happened to the Enterprise showings on Channel 4 in the UK this week? Something funny happened at the weekend -- Saturday was a repeat of last week's but there was a new episode in a Sunday slot as well, I think -- but the midweek showing (which I usually watched) seems to have gone. While everyone else is looking forward to/slagging off season two, I'd settle for the second half of season one for now... ;-)
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
My cable network's UPN provider (from 250 miles away, incidentally) became FOX recently, and now it's almost entirely your typical static-plus-warning-message about cable companies being prohibited from carrying duplicate programming (they do carry two TBS's, the bastards), so the only time that FOX is active is when the other one is showing something different. This in the wake of Futurama's cancellation - I'm left with absolutely jack squat for good TV. Well, the History Channel is great; but I mean good fictional TV.
That's right, Hoshi loses her shirt in this episode! About time if I say so myself.
Wherever you go, there you are!
No kidding.
A particular instance comes to mind...
There was an early episode of ST:TOS, with Spock (and probably Kirk et. al.) being detained by some impolite alien (not that Spock isn't an alien...but hey). They (the writer(s)/director) hadn't figured-out how Spock etc. were going to get out the predicament. Nimoy apparently popped-up the suggestion that he touch the guy on the neck (or something like that). Lo! and the Vulcan Neck Pinch was born.
Give a hand, not a hand-out.
There are shows that can waste an hour of your life, then there are shows that can utterly waste an hour of your life and make you vomit afterwards. This is one of those series, this episode in particular was devoid of any redeeming value. I'll sum it up for you:
Part 1: Crew is interrogaated on Captains whereabouts.
Part 2: Captain and time agent construct a communicator out of bubblegum and duct tape in the desolate future.
Part 3: Captain contacts crew, concocts zany plan.
Part 4: Hoshi crawls around in ducts, emerges topless (can you say "fan service"?).
Part 5: Captain emerges from future to kick alien butt, Enterprise yet again narrowly escapes a better armed, more numerous foe.
It's like they purposely built up part one just to make part two so utterly anti-climatic and predictable as to make you want to jab your eyeballs out and never hear the phrase "we're making history with every lightyear" ever again. This was the season premier? All I can say about the writers is that they have a seriously long way to go. We're talking 40 years in the desert long...
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Okay, first off, Paramount gives Trek a lot of freedom to not do the 'Everything is fine at the end of the day' thing. For those who payed attention to DS9 starting with the episode "Jem'Hadar," you'll notice DS9 had great freedom to not do the everything is fine at the end of the day. I mean, that episode ended up with the good guys (the Federation), barely escaping with their lives (not counting the Odysssey getting rammed by a ship while it was retreating). The dominion war was a great example of this. Of course in the end it managed to work out, but it took 2 whole seasons to finally resolve once the combat began. Now if that's not waiting a little longer than the end of the day, I don't know what is.
Sadly I'll mention voyager. Somehow a starship winding trapped 70 years away from Federation space doesn't exactly seem completely wrapped up at the end of the day...
The Ferengi in Enterprise: Who says history records them as the Ferengi?
Okay, the last thing I have to mention is those few comments about how Archer and company are out there doing more damage in the end. As we've already seen, the Andorians, who are later allies, but look to be the best of the antagonists in the series. As people pointed out with the temporal cold war thing, the best villans are those who are your friends, or who are goodguys (think about it, in the same way Robin Hood was a Villan). The Andorians have already shown both sides of this, and the series may best be served by showing the continued encounters with the Andorians, and how their anger with the vulcans was eventually resolved to the point that they all became allies and made the Federation... Sure it sounds like Voyager and the Borg, or TOS and the Klingons, but in this case we know that everybody eventually gets along, but how these two races which have very hostile parts to them become this way could be what truly develops this show into some of the best trek.
I was afraid of Enterprise when I heard Bakula was going to be captain (I loved Quantum Leap, but it just didn't seem right). But I watched anyways, and have decided I like the show, for maybe different reasons then the past series, but I see a lot of potential there. I know you'll say TPTB will screw it up (and I'm sure to some extent they will), but I'm still interested in seeing where it goes from here.
Seriously, I like the show but every time that idiot accepts an invitation to a strange planet, without some sort of backup plan, I want to hit him.
Not only is it the same story as the Voyager as someone else has already noted, but it appears to be even similar to the TOS episode Galileo 7.
It was Sci-Fi at it's best, a human drama between Trip's completely irrational hope (although deep down he knows the truth) and Reed's attempt to prepare for their pending deaths. They
An in the TOS episode, the same thing occured with Kirk and Spock. The had a twist in then end, when Spock performs an irrational action which had little chance of success and which shortened their time in orbit before they burned up, but by a stroke of luck, it worked (amazing, eh?).
In Shatner's autobio, he said that he started off not liking the next gen episodes, as they were ripoffs of earlier TOS episodes.
It appears that either all of the plots in existance have already been used in other trek episodes, or the writers just like to rehash old plots 'cause it's easy and it worked last time.
(Ok, I read the earlier slashdot article which discussed that there are only a few basic plots, like man vs man, man vs nature, nature vs nature, but as far as I know, they haven't done a trek plot of dog vs vampire* - so there's at leat one left).
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* with thanks to the original poster of those plots who refered to Stephen King.
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I just made the biggest mistake in the history of Time Travel this morning"
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Um, the episode made perfect sense; you just weren't paying attention.
No. The debris was caused by the microsingularity things hitting Enterprise (or hitting the other ship and screwing up the docking procedure, I forget which).
No. The shuttlepod's comm systems got blown out by another of the microsingularities. They mentioned several times that the comm was down; didn't you notice?
No, that's the point; they didn't finish their tests. They had to return to the rendezvous point early because of the damage to the comm systems. Again, they mentioned this at least once.
*sigh* Archer doesn't know the shuttlepod is stranded. He fully expects to be there and back long before the shuttlepod returns to the rendezvous point, and he fully expects to be within comm range of the shuttlepod the entire time (remember, Enterprise doesn't know the shuttlepod's comm systems are down) and to be able to get back in plenty of time if a problem does arise. As far as Archer knew, there was no reason why he shouldn't take the aliens home, or why he should need to retrieve the shuttlepod before doing so.
With the hull fragments that they came back and collected after dropping off the aliens, of course. Why make the aliens wait for days while they patched up the hull? It's not like those hull fragments wouldn't be there when they got back.
The "fingers and mashed potatoes" were temporary patches until they could get to the proper hull sealant. They even said as much IIRC. And remember, these were micro-breaches, caused by a micro-singularity; fingers and mashed potatoes would have been enough for a short time.
(shrug) How many people without medical training would have made the same mistake? Besides, weren't they half-drunk by that point?
Um, didn't they come to a full stop before jettisoning the impulse drive?
[And yes, I fully expect to be mocked as a "squealing fanboy loser" for correcting all this. Look, this was all explained right on screen; it's not my fault you weren't paying attention.]
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