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Advice for a Dad-To-Be?

chrysrobyn asks: "Huzzah! After a few years of trying, my wife is pregnant (due 5 November). I've read about fellow Slashdot readers who are some new and experienced parents. I've certainly read about lots of people getting engaged and married. I'd like to ask for advice on the matter from people in my demographic. What do you wish you had known before child #1 was born? I'm not asking 'how does a geek raise a child?' or 'how do I overclock the activity sets?', but I don't personally know many two income families who are in this position. We sometimes work long hours, and that will either come to an end or we'll put in lots of effort to work around that. What do I do? What do I expect? Are there any products to stay away from? I'm going to be a dad!" Congratulations, on your new family member, chrysrobyn!

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  1. my only advice to all parents. by Unknown+Poltroon · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Food goes in the noisy end.
    2. Diapers go on the stinky end.
    3. NEVER EVER get those ends mixed up.

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    1. Re:my only advice to all parents. by MrAndrews · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think it should be noted that with toddlers, this rule is often abandoned when you're out of the room.

    2. Re:my only advice to all parents. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4. ????
      5. PROFIT!!!

  2. Save the PC by Lemmeoutada+Collecti · · Score: 3, Funny

    Never ever leave an unlocked keyboard. Even Linux crashes before the mighty baby! No matter how safe PC parts seem, don't leave them laying around. Experiments in edibility are a baby specialty. Sleep whenever you get a chance. You won't get many. Being a geek, caffiene is already your friend, it will become moreso. And most important: remember your wife! She is the one going through the pain and labour that makes upgrading an old VAX server to run Linux look like a walk in the park!

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    1. Re:Save the PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      She is the one going through the pain and labour that makes upgrading an old VAX server to run Linux look like a walk in the park!

      Wait ... you mean that being pregnant is even more fun?

    2. Re:Save the PC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Linux doesn't crash before the mighty baby. I've had two try and two fail to crash linux no matter how many times they open nautilus or mozilla.

  3. Google by Kalak · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sick of these Ask /.s that can be solved with a simple Google search! If you can't figure out raising kids with a quick Google search, I don't know how you can call yourself a geek!

    Seriously though, keep your sense of humor and perspective on the whole experience. If you have the humor of a kid, then you can understand a lot of what makes them tick, and can see things from their point of view. If you work on this, then you can see the world through your kids eyes. This not only helps your personal enjoyment of living, but help you see how to deal with those arguments/fights/frustrations as well. If you can see it in your kids perspective, then you'll be better able to troubleshoot or debug the situation.

    For reference, I've got a 5 year old boy and a 4 year old girl (with apraxia). Congrats and have fun!

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    1. Re:Google by cyb97 · · Score: 1

      you mean you got a boy up to level 5 with apraxia!
      Man y0 must be l33t!

    2. Re:Google by 4of12 · · Score: 1

      ...can't figure out raising kids...

      Naturally the questioner was confused.

      And for a very good reason; here on Slashdot there have been many references to kids or, rather, full-grown goats.

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  4. Congradulations!!!!!! by bac()n · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Buy legos. Looottttsss of legos. =)

    1. Re:Congradulations!!!!!! by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 3, Funny
      Absolutely! Having a kid is the best excuse you'll ever have for buying all the toys you never got when you were a kid.

      Also, read these books , NOW!

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    2. Re:Congradulations!!!!!! by Old+Uncle+Bill · · Score: 1

      Yes, legos are awesome. One tip tho, don't burn your kids out. I hear weekly from parents who have 1st graders that get an hour of homework every night. The parents are usually the ones up until midnight doing the homework. By the time these kids get to 6th grade they are ready to drop out. You will be surprised how much your kids will pick up when they want to, rather than when they are forced. Sure, you want to work with them and help them learn, but they don't need to understand geometry by age 5.

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    3. Re:Congradulations!!!!!! by opti6600 · · Score: 1

      Or for learning a bit more American English spelling...

      "congratulations" (think congrats)

      I make note of this because I really botched a spelling bee one year with a careless error on this word.

    4. Re:Congradulations!!!!!! by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Buy legos. Looottttsss of legos. =)

      Just remember to always turn the light on when you get up in the night. Lego's really, really hurt when you step on them with bare feet.

    5. Re:Congradulations!!!!!! by apweiler · · Score: 1

      Buy? You mean you haven't got any?
      OTOH, good excuse to.. er... upgrade.

  5. Three pieces of advice... by burnsy · · Score: 5, Informative

    1) Do not tell anyone you are pregnant until 12-15 weeks. Miscarriages are quite common and you will feel horrible if it doesn't work out.

    2) Do not tell your friends/family the sex or the name of the baby until he/she is born. If you tell everyone these details upfront, there is much less suprise and interest when the sepcial day finally comes. I have had 2 sets of friends who were told the wrong sex (it is never exact unless you have genetic testing) and boy were they red faced (and stuck with the wrong clothing and no name).

    3) Buy a PVR or a TiVo if you ever want to watch TV again. PVR's are a new parents best friends.

    1. Re:Three pieces of advice... by Darnit · · Score: 2, Informative

      I totally agree with 3. It only gets worse as they get older. Tivo also works wonderfully now with my 15 month old for taping Clifford the Big Red Dog and Caillou and Teletubbies.

    2. Re:Three pieces of advice... by LordNimon · · Score: 2, Informative
      I vouch for #3 also. If it weren't for my TiVo, we probably would never be able to watch anything. Generally, you won't be able to watch TV while the baby is awake, because it will demand too much attention. Our daughter likes to shriek while the TV. Press pause, she stops shrieking. Press play, she starts again.

      Also, make sure your wife breast feeds for a year.

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    3. Re:Three pieces of advice... by Bobo_The_Boinger · · Score: 1

      Instead of a standalone PVR, setup your old computer (you do have at least two, right?) with a cheap ati tv capture card, and then tape all your kids shows on it. This is what I do and my son loves it. He is almost two now and I record every Dragon Tales for him. He has over 30 recorded now.

      The best part is, my wife and I (well, my wife really) can now watch our shows on TV and our son can just go sit at the computer with the volume not too high and watch his shows. When I bought the TV capture card my wife said (as with all my computer purchases) "Do we really need that?" But once I showed her what we could do with it, she was overjoyed.

      I'd also recommend that you buy some computers cases with locking covers if you leave the cases on the floor. Before I did my son almost destroyed a couple CD-RWs.

      Get lots of locks for your cabinets, drawers, etc. Get some tethers (once the kid is big enough) to secure furniture to the wall.

      Enjoy your new little friend. Mine are a lot of fun so far! :)

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    4. Re:Three pieces of advice... by gi-tux · · Score: 2, Informative

      You might as well get started now. Dora, Little Bill, Clifford the big red dog, Blues Clues, etc. are the ones to steer the kid toward. Unfortunately Mr. Rogers died recently, but he is still in reruns and he was/is one of the better ones. Try your best to stay clear of Barney, however he does for some reason have a soothing affect on children, but please for your own sanity save him as an absolute last resort.

      Your most frequented resturant in the near future will be McDonald's. Forget anything where the food has any real taste. Toys are more important than the actual food when you go out to eat. The playground also is important.

      Driving is also important. That is when your child will sleep. Unfortunately, you can't sleep and drive at the same time, so you and your wife will have to take shifts. This means that child number 2 is much more difficult to achieve.

      Seriously, children are great and it gives you a chance to play with all the new TOYS!!! Gi-Joe, Barbie, Legos, Erector sets, etc.

      Congratulations!!!!

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    5. Re:Three pieces of advice... by MrAndrews · · Score: 1

      The worst part about them as they get older is that you're always soooooo close to getting them on schedule, but they still make you miss the first few minutes of every show. Babies you expect to interfere, but by the time they're 3 you have this (ill-conceived) notion they should be structured enough to get to bed on time.

      On a related note: just revisiting this gem this week... if you happen to leave your VCR near the floor with a toddler around, make sure you tell them not to stick their fingers inside. Then, when they ignore you and do it anyway, have a camera nearby to take a picture of their teary little red faces when they can't pull it back out because the flap catches their knuckles. It's awful, but funny as hell.

    6. Re:Three pieces of advice... by override11 · · Score: 1

      Oh yea, bring on the lego sets (the space tyco sets too) and the linkin logs, and the erector sets. I loved my first lego set with motors, I was in heaven! :)

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    7. Re:Three pieces of advice... by (trb001) · · Score: 1

      Seriously, children are great and it gives you a chance to play with all the new TOYS!!! Gi-Joe, Barbie, Legos, Erector sets, etc.

      Some of us just skip the kid and go right for the toys...

      --trb

    8. Re:Three pieces of advice... by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      As a follow to number 1, grok the fullness of the fact that you've a 33 percent chance, simply by being pregnant, of miscarrying, and a miscarriage is generally a *good thing,* as there was a wrongness. You can always try again in a month or two.

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    9. Re:Three pieces of advice... by belroth · · Score: 4, Interesting
      My son is three and a half and we've been to McDonalds once, for me when my blood sugar was low. We made a decision to give our son real food - he still likes chocolate but he also likes (not tolerates, likes) green vegetables, fruit etc.
      We stopped eating 'ready meals' and almost all our food is now home prepared - if you give your child what you eat you don't have to prepare 'kiddy meals'. When we eat out he either has some of ours or we order a proper starter for him (usually both). Only in France have we ever bothered with meals aimed at children because in that restaurant it was a small adult portion. He still likes (and gets) chocolate and crisps but most of his diet is real food.

      I agree about the TV except - teletubbies (I hate it, he loved it but has now grown out of it) and Bear In The Big Blue House. If you can get them Thomas The Tank Engine and Bob The Builder are good - Bob The Builder is an excellent role model for small kids.
      When your child is newborn to about 1 year remember to watch TV with teletext subtitles (closed caption?) to keep you sane with the crying.

      My final tip - spent time with your child s/he will soon grow and you shouldn't miss any more than you can help. Cut out the late nights - fulfill your work obligations but be at home as much as you can. You should have a better relationship with both your wife and child. They may change as they get older but children would rather have your time than the toys you work overtime to buy.

      Oh and a final tip - listen with your eyes when your child talks, don't watch TV or read when being told something which is important to her/him.

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    10. Re:Three pieces of advice... by malice95 · · Score: 1

      YES!! Tivo or any other PVR is totally necessary if you like to watch tv.. Ther baby doesnt care if your show is on.. she wants attention.. Let tivo tape verything and watch it when you get time. I also use my tivo to record sesame street for the baby. When she gets cranky she can be amused easily by watching a big bird:)

      Mike

    11. Re:Three pieces of advice... by themassiah · · Score: 2, Funny

      Have you ever tried aiming the remote at the television set?
      :)

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    12. Re:Three pieces of advice... by The+AtomicPunk · · Score: 1

      Good for you. I hope I do as well. 99.9999% of parents just shovel crap in their kid's face, and will do ANYTHING to just get the kid to shut up. That's how we end up with so many stupid, spoiled, worthless people in society ...

      ooops, I ranted.

    13. Re:Three pieces of advice... by stevew · · Score: 1

      Nahh - what else are you going to do at 2AM while you are waiting for the bottle to warm up?

      Seriously -
      1) You will not get much sleep the first few weeks/months - this too will pass...but it takes awhile.
      2) Every kid is different!
      3) Babies are sacks of potatos till maybe 4 months old.
      4) The first time they actually smile or chuckle will absolutely melt your heart(even a geek)
      5) Once you bring the baby home - the first likely problem is feeding them. Mom may not have her milk come in for upto 5 days after the baby is born, and some babies don't really do a great job of latching on to Mom. Either one will leave you with a screaming baby and you'll have no real idea how to deal with it... patience and formula help.
      6) Keep the baby on Mom's milk as long as possible. 6 months isn't too long - and all the things I've read say that is really the minimum. The baby gets alot of it's immune system from Mom's milk.
      7) If your wife pumps here breasts - you'll be able to help her feed the baby and she'll get some sleep. There are very small battery powered pumps that can fit in her purse that work great. Freeze the spare milk - you warm it up at 2AM while Mom sleeps and feed the baby. Mom will periodically need to feed the baby or pump her breasts - maybe once every 3-4 hours anyway cause they'll get to full otherwise.
      We used the Gerber baggy like bottles. We'd fill the baggies up with 4 ounces of milk initially and put a rubber band around it and freeze it. You just drop this into a pan of warm water (hot tap water works) to defrost it.
      8) Avoid getting the baby used to really warm milk - it just takes that much longer to prepare and there is no evidence the milk MUST be warm for the baby.
      9) Supplement Mom's milk with formula when necessary.
      10) Teach the baby to hold their own milk bottle as early as possible. 4-5 months isn't to early from what I understand.
      11)Get a baby bag at Toy-R-Us or similar (also a good place to get deals on baby formula) Something that comes with a changing blanket would be good.
      12) I'd advise use of disposable diapers - it IS easier. We also used baby wipes to great advantage. You CAN actually get use to this process ;-)
      13) Good Luck - it'll change your life for the better!

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    14. Re:Three pieces of advice... by belroth · · Score: 1
      I remember when our son (3.5) was just saying a few words, probably around 12-15 months. I was eating some fresh beetroot and he was indicating he wanted to try some, so I gave him some, which he liked. Anyway we had about two beets each until I offered him some more when he shook his head and said "nuff", "sick". He still likes beetroot and has pickled herring with his breakfast when we let him.

      His favourite food is grapes but he eats almost anything, just because children are small they shouldn't be fed pap. I don't understand people who buy jars of organic baby food and then a year later give their children burgers and beans every day.

      You don't really need jars either, except as a standby or when out. We bought a Braun handheld food processor and just pureed what we were having, past, beef with parsnip, potato and carrot etc. Whatever we had, except for things like shellfish obviously. When we went to Brittany and hew was 18 months our son was happily tucking into a baton with Chavroux and Bayonne ham - we just didn't let him have any wine, that will come when he's older.

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    15. Re:Three pieces of advice... by CaptainStormfield · · Score: 1

      I second piece of advice #2. My wife and I are expecting a girl at the end of the month. We unwisely blabbed this to all of our friends. The result? People didn't give us much useful stuff at the baby showers (my geek friends excepted); rather, we got about 50 pink dresses and outfits. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the thought. But our child now has enough pink outfits to wear a different one every day until she grows out of baby clothes.

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    16. Re:Three pieces of advice... by swazi · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Also, make sure your wife breast feeds for a year.

      Unless it's not working, for whatever reason, because the stress involved just makes it an unpleasant experience for everyone involved.

      My personal belief is that breast feeding is A Good Thing, but a happy mother & baby is better..

    17. Re:Three pieces of advice... by himself · · Score: 1

      >
      > Bob The Builder is an excellent role model for small kids.
      >
      He's a contractor, for cripe's sake! You want your son to look up to *contractors*? I like Bob, too -- note the lunchbox, VHS tape, and Christmas tree ornament at my house -- but I'll pick another brand of congenital liar for my child to emulate. At least Thomas has a top-hatted plutocrat to look up to. :7)
      BearITBBH is a Jim Henson production, and I like it a lot. Cailloux is a good show, too; my almost-four-year-old daughter hates the puppet segments. 9Me, too.)

    18. Re:Three pieces of advice... by Ian+Jefferies · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Babies you expect to interfere, but by the time they're 3 you have this (ill-conceived) notion they should be structured enough to get to bed on time.

      One trick that you might find useful: set bedtime to be about half an hour earlier than you would like. When the "just 5 more minutes" arguments start up you can give them a bit more time (don't give in too easily!). With a bit of luck you'll get them to bed at or near the time you want, and they think they're staying up a bit later. Everyone's happy.

      My parents used this on me, and thought it was quite successful. YMMV.

      The VCR game is a variation on a tribesman method of catching a monkey: drill a narrow hole in a tree and open it out to make a cavity, then put some food in the cavity and leave a few hints that there's food available. The monkey can reach in and grab the food, but the closed fist is too large to come back out. A greedy dilemma that allows the monkey to be caught.

      On another note: good luck with the lifetime of the VCR. Things other than video tapes are put in there by curious children :)

      Ian.

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    19. Re:Three pieces of advice... by ebh · · Score: 2, Funny
      My TiVo "Now Playing" list, at any time:

      • Sesame Street
      • Bob the Builder
      • Clifford
      • Blue's Clues
      • Bob the Builder
      • Dora the Explorer
      • Bob the Builder
      • Clifford
      • Sesame Street
      • ER
      • Blue's Clues
      • Dora the Explorer
      • Sesame Street
      • Jay Jay the Jet Plane
      • Bob the Builder
      • ...

      Of course, most of those never get watched.

      Like ER.

    20. Re:Three pieces of advice... by belroth · · Score: 1
      We don't get Cailloux this side of the Atlantic (afaik) and builders aren't all looked down here. We have a lot of dodgy ones but there are some good uns too.
      I spent over 15 years as an IT contractor (until IR35) so I tend to think of myself when people say contractor - at's also not a common term for builders in the UK.

      The reason I like Bob is the show is entirely constructive , there is no violence or nastiness - the gang build and/or fix things and whenever I do any DIY my lad brings his tools along and helps daddy. I wouldn't change a thing, seeing him at 2.5 years old explaining how her bicycle brakes work to a bemused 8 year girl was absolutely priceless.

      Another thing I am trying to teach my child is how to think - it's so much part of my parenting and my own psychology that it's not even conscious. It may make his life harder in some respects but I don't want him to be a sheeple.

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    21. Re:Three pieces of advice... by ebh · · Score: 1
      There are very small battery powered pumps that can fit in her purse that work great.

      My wife would beg to differ. Get a Medela Pump-In-Style or something equivalent. The battery powered ones are lame, and the hand-powered ones are lame AND they give you RSI. If your wife is planning on working outside the house while still breastfeeding, the Pump-In-Style is your best bet because it's the most portable of the "hardcore" breast pumps (best price I know of is from Baby Love Products).

      However, resist the urge to register for something like that for the baby shower, if you're doing the registy thing. Rent a hospital-grade pump for the first month or two to make sure Mom and baby are really into the breastfeeding thing. Except for a particular pump by Ameda, breast pumps are not intended to be resold after use.

      If your wife/partner/whatever needs more information, let me know and I'll put her in touch with my wife, who has encyclopedic knowledge of this stuff.

    22. Re:Three pieces of advice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1)Agreed - it just happened to us last week.

    23. Re:Three pieces of advice... by Jellybob · · Score: 1
      Make sure your wife breast feed for at least a year...


      Dude... I think it's the kid that's meant to breast feed. Maybe that's where I went wrong :P
    24. Re:Three pieces of advice... by mbogosian · · Score: 1

      What do you wish you had known before child #1 was born?

      4) The first two months are the worst. Expect improvements shortly thereafter. I call it the "break-in" period, but knowing that it ends will keep you (or more likely your wife) from sliding into post natal depression (sorry, I had to go to the UK to find a link because all the US government health sites' advice has been replaced with, "abstinence and prayer to Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior is the only solution").

    25. Re:Three pieces of advice... by elmegil · · Score: 1
      stuck with the wrong clothing and no name

      Foolish.

      Dresses aren't necessary for infants. Pink and blue clothing as "de riguer" are stupid. Get green and yellow and red and pink and blue and orange. If your kid has to be in a uniform from day one, s/he will have problems.

      As for names, when we had our first one a mere 7 months ago, we had one name of each gender just in case. Turns out those ultrasounds didn't lie.

      As for the PVR, I'm still trying to convince my wife that we need one. I'm hoping to build a MythTV box :-)

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    26. Re:Three pieces of advice... by elmegil · · Score: 1
      My personal belief is that breast feeding is A Good Thing, but a happy mother & baby is better.

      Absolutely. Don't give up too soon either, though. It can be really rough those first couple of weeks, as mom & baby learn how it all works.

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    27. Re:Three pieces of advice... by AlienWorker · · Score: 1

      Just had a baby last December, I couldn't agree more with 2 and 3. I went thru the experience of 2 myself. And I bought a Tivo.

      Besides these advices, I would suggest buying a good laptop with 802.11b (or g). You'll have no time sitting in front of your desktop, waiting for it to boot or wake up from hibernation. Good mobility really helps.

    28. Re:Three pieces of advice... by invenustus · · Score: 1

      The first two months are the worst. Expect improvements shortly thereafter.

      Then about 13 years later, expect five years that will make you nostalgic for the first two months.

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    29. Re:Three pieces of advice... by mbogosian · · Score: 1

      Then about 13 years later, expect five years that will make you nostalgic for the first two months.

      My dad always had a different strategy to raising children:

      1. When they're born, you put them in a box with holes.

      2. When they reach thirteen...cover up the holes.

    30. Re:Three pieces of advice... by JJahn · · Score: 1
      I agree very much with that advice.

      Just please don't use the TV as a replacement for you...if you don't build trust and talk with them and care about their interests now, they will never come to you with problems in the future. When they have trouble in school, friends, etc. you want to be the one they come to. Build that up from the start.

    31. Re:Three pieces of advice... by Ovidius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your most frequented resturant in the near future will be McDonald's.

      McDonald's is about the worst food there is for the health of children, adults, or the planet. Go read Fast Food Nation and see if you want to take your children there.

      Home-cooking is a hard lifestyle change for families where both parents work, but here are my tips:

      • Shop often, buy, huge amounts and keep lots of vegetables, fruit, and fish in the house. It is so easy to boil, steam, or just cut up enough for a child portion, then give them some of your dinner.
      • Baby food is for suckers. Get lots of little tupperware containers and follow this recipe. 1) Pick a veggie. 2) Boil. 3) Puree
      • Make a lot and save it, especially on the weekends. Grilling a couple of hamburgers? Make a dozen and freeze or refrigerate the rest. (To hate McDonald's is not to hate hamburgers. They're not great for your health or for the planet [go read Diet for a Small Planet] but realistically, they taste great. ALWAYS use half chuck/half sirloin, the difference is huge) Roasting a chicken? Roast four. Making a tuna sandwich. Make 4 cans of tuna.
      • If you have a farm co-op or community supported agriculture in your area, join it. You will get all the veggies you need that way.

      Inattention to the food we eat, how we prepare it, and where it comes from is one of the worst aspects of our (American) culture. It would be great if more people would make an effort to start their children out on the right foot, which naturally affects the way the parents eat as well.

    32. Re:Three pieces of advice... by belroth · · Score: 1
      He now watches the Tweenies and either Tikkabilla or Blues Clues after lunch with his mother, and the Tweenies and Blues Clues with his tea weekdays. At weekends we eat together so no tea-time TV. That's the routine, if he or his mum are sick and can't go out they may watch a video otherwise they do stuff together (or with me when I'm hoem from work) like cooking or walks in the forest or go to the plyground. He likes going for walks and it keeps him fit, we don't want him to grow up chubby so he's a pretty fit three year old.

      We don't use the TV as a nanny - looking after him is what we're here for.

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    33. Re:Three pieces of advice... by BJH · · Score: 1

      A month or two?? You must be joking. Depending on the type of miscarriage and how far advanced the baby was, it can take a year or more to recover.

    34. Re:Three pieces of advice... by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 1
      "Driving is also important. That is when your child will sleep. Unfortunately, you can't sleep and drive at the same time, so you and your wife will have to take shifts. This means that child number 2 is much more difficult to achieve."

      This is a good point. However I would like to add an addendum: If you have to stop for something, i.e. to drop something off, get gas, get a coffee, etc. then the baby will wake up. So do your best to keep the baby awake (sing loud songs, etc.) until AFTER you get gas, and then let him/her fall asleep peacefully for the rest of the trip.

    35. Re:Three pieces of advice... by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      Jay Jay the Jet Plane

      It'd be interesting if Jay and Silent Bob ever made it in there accedently.

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    36. Re:Three pieces of advice... by m00nun1t · · Score: 1

      I disagree with not telling people the gender. We found out we were having a boy, told everyone, have no regrets and plan to find out the gender of our next baby. Yes, mistakes happen sometimes, but you'll get no clothes (or lots of ghastly pale green and yellow) if you don't tell the gender.

      I don't buy this whole "you want a surprise" line. You've got a friggin BABY, and you want a BIGGER suprise???????

      As far as the name goes, definitely don't tell people that pre-birth. People feel that before the baby is born, the name is negotiable. So unless you want everyone making comments and contributing to the process, keep it to yourself. Once the baby is born people just accept that's the name. You can guarantee someone close to you won't like the name. They'll get used to it real fast.

    37. Re:Three pieces of advice... by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      A co-worker once told me about the sex of a baby:

      Have a boy, you only have to worry about him...have a girl, you have to worry about every boy

    38. Re:Three pieces of advice... by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      I speak only from personal experience; a month after a miscarriage, including a D&C, my wife was pregnant with our second daugher (second surviving, at least.)

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    39. Re:Three pieces of advice... by gi-tux · · Score: 1

      I agree whole heartedly that fast food is BAD. I simply used McDonald's as an example. Fast Food resturants know how to market to the younger folks in our families. They put that hugh playground in the front of the store that is bigger than anything in the park even. They put those cheap toys in the bag with the food and then advertise it everywhere. Once the youngster is school age (I have a 10 year old that is NOW home schooled), they figure out how to get into the schools as rewards for contests (Pizza Hut is a sponser for a reading program around here at least). Youngsters are social creatures and they do talk to each other and once one goes somewhere and gets the latest toy, the others "have to have it".

      And you are certainly right that the entire blame finally rests with the parents. I am guilty of not enforcing that my children eat as they should on occassions. However, I in no way meant that McDonald's was the only place to eat. I simply meant that if you are going to eat out and ask you child/children where they would like to eat, McDonald's will likely be the answer.

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    40. Re:Three pieces of advice... by Ovidius · · Score: 1

      I agree whole heartedly that fast food is BAD. I simply used McDonald's as an example... I simply meant that if you are going to eat out and ask you child/children where they would like to eat, McDonald's will likely be the answer.

      Fair enough. I think as parents we especially have to be prepared for this, because the goal of advertising aimed at children is to get the children to nag their parents into spending money.

      My daughter is 18 months old, so we've hardly run into peer-pressure yet. As powerful as peer-pressure is, though, when I was 16 my friends and I were driving around looking for food and one guy refused to go to any fast food restaurant. At first he wouldn't say why but finally told us he didn't want to support restaurants that were causing the destruction of the Amazon by buying cheap South American beef (thus encouraging South American ranchers to cut down more and more jungle to create grazing for cattle). It was a small act, but this was a friend that I really respected and it had a profound influence on me.

      I hope to be able to raise my daughter (and twins coming in September!) not to have to do and to have everything that her friends do (though I know I'll have to give in on a lot). I also hope that she'll be respected by her peers and influence them by little acts such as not reflexively eating fast food.

      And the chains and brands in school... Man! what a travesty of education!

    41. Re:Three pieces of advice... by BJH · · Score: 1

      We ended up waiting 14 months for ours after the first miscarriage :(

    42. Re:Three pieces of advice... by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      if you happen to leave your VCR near the floor with a toddler around, make sure you tell them not to stick their fingers inside

      Also it is good to be aware that VCR's are designed to conveniently accept peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

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    43. Re:Three pieces of advice... by MrAndrews · · Score: 1
      Also it is good to be aware that VCR's are designed to conveniently accept peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

      Sometimes known as "time to upgrade to a PVR" tools.

      Not that I have ulterior motives...

    44. Re:Three pieces of advice... by billmaly · · Score: 1

      Dora the Explorer Caillou 24 ER Sesame Street Dragon Tales Max and Ruby The Simpsons Barney (shudder!!!) And I thought it was just me with the kid friendly TiVo. Trust me, beg borrow or steal the money for a PVR, it is the ONLY way to fly w. TV and kids.

  6. My experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    If you can work from home, it works great for the first 6 months. They sleep alot. After that, you have to keep them entertained, so you might as well head back to the office to get something done


    I gave up on alot of the extra hours in the office, and switched to doing more of that extra time from home, when the baby was asleep


    Don't shortchange yourself or the baby, go home, spend some time! You'll kick yourself later, they grow real fast.

  7. things to consider... by StillDocked · · Score: 5, Informative

    gratz, first of all...

    My partner and I had our first child 7 months ago, and it has been wonderful, we, like you are yours, both worked long hours and made a choice, luckily, my employer has allowed me a flexible schedule (nights and weekendss for a couple of years) so that I can stay home with our child. If the possibilty of one of you staying home does not exist, and you do not have a trusted friend or family member to look after your child, and thereby witness a ton of firsts, you need to start looking now for a day care provider. Pimp friends and family for recommendations, check with the local child and family services organization regarding the recommendations, and then do two visits, on announced, and then one not announced, so you get a feel of the places.

    Secondly, baby monitors can wreck havoc upon wifi systems, even if they aren't in the same frequency range. Don't ask me how, I have stopped trying to figure it out. We only use the monitor when it is necessary.

    If you are working while watching your child, be prepared to work in 15 minute spurts, and choose tasks that you can leave undone and go back to. Your child may be wonderful in this regard, mine is happily playing away in his exer-saucer while I am doing this, however, some children need constant attention and interaction.

    Learn to take time for yourself, and learn to give your wife time as well. Your little bundle of joy will be just that, but he/she will also be exhausting, physically and mentally. In a good way, not in an up-all night because someone forgot to process a batch job corectly way...

    Buy a car seat that is set up to be "staged" meaning that it has settings for newborns, babies and toddlers, it will cost more in the short run, but in the long run, it will save you having to buy three car seats. Same with the travel system.
    Also, buy a wipes warmer. It sounds odd, but your child will be much happier having himself cleaned with a nice warm towelette as opposed to a cold one.

    Most importantly, enjoy. This is a wonderful time, an excellent time, and so full of amazing activies.

    It is a great excuse to get new hardware, digital cameras, photo printers and such.

    Good luck and congratulations.

    1. Re:things to consider... by aminorex · · Score: 1

      > baby monitors can wreck havoc upon wifi systems, even if they
      > aren't in the same frequency range. Don't ask me how...

      Noisy harmonics. This stuff qualifies for the low bar at
      the FCC because it's low power.

      > I have stopped trying to figure it out. We only use the monitor
      > when it is necessary.

      That's good, because otherwise you'll end up with a baby like
      an insane Rhesus monkey from some 1980's psychology experiment,
      or one of those North Korean triplets.

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    2. Re:things to consider... by unitron · · Score: 1

      In some cases it isn't that the wipe is warm or cold, it's that some brands sting or sting a lot more than others when applied to irritated skin. Seems to be partly correllated to price, advertised brand or not, etc.

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    3. Re:things to consider... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      however, some children need constant attention and interaction.

      Hate to tell you, but all children need constant attention and interaction. It would seem you're too 'busy' to provide it.

    4. Re:things to consider... by StillDocked · · Score: 1

      actually, my son is content to play by himself for 30 minutes at a time, and gets upset when I try to remove him from that environment. Maybe it is just my kid.

  8. Sacrifice by esorense · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you want a kid. I think you should also want to raise that kid and either one of you should, if financially possible, make the carreer sacfice and stay home with the kid and raise it. It makes no sense to me the people that seem to want to work more than raise their children.

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    1. Re:Sacrifice by SoCalChris · · Score: 1

      This is a good point. My wife stays at home, and I work. She wouldn't be able to make enough money to cover the cost of child care, her wardrobe, commuting, etc...

      I know a lot of people can't afford to do this, but most of us in the geek community are making a decent enough salary to raise a family on. We've had to make some sacrifices for her to stay home (Like living in an apartment instead of buying a home, tight budget, etc...), but we still have enough money to enjoy life, and most importantly, our son is being raised by my wife instead of some stranger.

    2. Re:Sacrifice by Mantorp · · Score: 1

      Agree completely. My # 1 advice would be for at least one of you to work a lot less or not at all. It's sad if all the "firsts" happen at daycare.

  9. You might be interested in looking... by Utopia · · Score: 1

    ...at the hilarious Dad Again series on Slate.



  10. Sleep when they sleep! by Cuchullain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You will be exhausted at first. Don't try to be goal oriented and work while the kid sleeps... Sleep when they do, it is more important than a perfect house, or whatever you are hacking on.

    Trust me, Sleep is priority one for the first few weeks.

    Cuchullain

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    1. Re:Sleep when they sleep! by neitzsche · · Score: 1

      I second this one! You absolutely MUST sleep when they do. With both my kids (now 5 and 3yrs) the first 6 weeks was never more than 4 hrs of sleep a night, so naps became VERY important, for Mommy and me!

      Buy the Dr. Spock book now - read it now you won't have time later.

      Buy the humourous book "What do do when your wife is EXPANDING" and make sure you show it to your wife and make it VERY CLEAR that it is just a joke to lighten the situation. If she finds it before you tell her, she'll be in tears for hours.

      Also: read your dictionary to your wife's belly. Your child can get used to hearing your voice while still in the womb.

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    2. Re:Sleep when they sleep! by michael_cain · · Score: 1
      Absolutely. As one of those "Are you ready to be a parent?" quizes put it:

      Hours of sleep I require per night:
      a) Eight or more (0 points)
      b) Six (2 points)
      c) Four (4 points)
      d) Sleeping makes me irritable (10 points)

    3. Re:Sleep when they sleep! by dpilot · · Score: 1

      My wife and I lived by this through two kids. When they got old enough to drop the naps, we didn't. They're now both teenagers and we still take a nap.

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  11. all i can say for sure... by ellison8 · · Score: 1

    Your life, I mean how you perceive yourself and how you act and react, is going to change. Everything begins to go through the 'I am a parent' filter. Exactly what will be different? I can't tell you, it's different for everyone. Like someone else said, keep your sense of humor and enjoy the ride!

    1. Re:all i can say for sure... by unitron · · Score: 1
      "Everything begins to go through the 'I am a parent' filter."

      Well said. I'm only an uncle and have been amazed at the change which that has made in me. Imagine my surprise at developing a certain appreciation of the Purple One who must not be named (No, not Prince, although this one also sings) after viewing him (over and over again!) through a child's eyes.

      Fortunately we've moved on to Hot Wheels and G.I. Joes.

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  12. Childproof now! by Tye_Informer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Speaking from experience... Even though the baby isn't due till November, and probably will be mostly immobile till sometime next February, start preparing and working on stuff now!
    My wife and I did a lot of things to get the baby's room ready but we didn't figure we needed to do the childproofing stuff till the baby was learning to crawl. That's around 4 months at the earliest, but you will spend that first 4 months actively caring for the baby or sleeping. If you aren't feeding the baby, you are changing the baby, if not that you are changing your close because of one of the prior two. If the baby is asleep then you are asleep. Even when you are at work, you are probably sleeping. Next thing you know the new baby is crawling and then it is all you can do to play catch up with all the things the magazines say you should have done by now.

    Next piece of advice, ignore the magazines, you will get enough of the "good parents do this" when your new baby is a teenager.

    1. Re:Childproof now! by Glonoinha · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is only funny because of my house. Liquor cabinet is in the living room ankle high. Living room coffee table is plate glass just high enough to clothes-line a running toddler. Room full of computer equipment for them to hassle, and the drawer with the big knives in the kitchen is also the on the bottom.

      Why don't I just leave my loaded pistols out in plain sight while I am at it, instead of carefully hiding it underneath my pillow. Oh wait ...

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  13. First eighteen years... by psyconaut · · Score: 1

    ...are the worst ;-)

    -psy

  14. Thoughts from the dad of a 9month old by dmorin · · Score: 5, Informative
    Our first child, Katherine, was born just about 9 months ago. Here's my thoughts, in no special order:
    • Get her honest opinion on her career versus raising a child. Does she want to go back to work eventually? Fulltime? My wife is a physical therapist who very clearly wants to be a fulltime mom, but not give up on her career. So she works 1 weekend a month.
    • Financially speaking, are you where you need to be if she wants to stop working? Personally I'm dead set against families that just plain can't afford a child but decide to have one anyway. Not a big fan of dropping a 1month old in daycare 5 days a week. People do it, sure. But when we bought our house last year I made it a point to do all the finances on the assumption that there would only be my salary, not hers, so that we have the option of letting her be the mom she wants to be.
    • Insurance. Decide up front whose insurance the baby will be on, since by default the hospital will put the baby on mom's. But since my wife was quitting and thus would not have insurance (well, not as a part timer) then I needed to put them both on mine. The ensuing confusion (since we both had the smae company, just different accounts) lasted months.
    • Babies do not always come on time, so get things ready at least a month ahead of time.
    • Your wife will "nest" whether she acknowledges it or not. That's scientific talk for "Oh my god we have to paint this room pink RIGHT NOW" when she's only 5 months along. Go with it. Buy the furniture. Then realize that most people have the baby sleep in the same room as the parents for the firsts 6 months anyway.
    • If you have any fear of dropping the baby or otherwise not holding her properly, forget it. Instinct kicks in and you'll do just fine.
    • Come labor and delivery, your job is to do what your wife says. If she wants mom and dad there, fine. If she doesn't, then no matter what mom and dad say, take a stand and kick them out. Same with visitors. After the baby is born people will want to come see. If your wife is tired, or breastfeeding, or whatever, by all means scoot the visitors out firmly. She should NOT feel uncomfortable or otherwise upset by anybody, not after what she's just gone through.
    • Recording things is cool. Personally I kept a paper diary of every day of her pregnancy from the day she told me to the birth. Went home, printed and bound it (with newborn pictures) and gave it to her as a present. I have no opinion on the couple who recently broadcast the entire delivery on their weblog. Not a big fan of recording the actual birth.
    • Pack *your* bag for the hospital. They will give your wife most of what she needs (in terms of food and clothing), but not you. You may be there the better part of the week.
    • Speaking of which, discuss the plans for immediately after the baby is born. Will you be by her side 24hrs a day? Because odds are that you want to get the house ready for her (not to mention the impending flood of visitors). Also, you probably have limited paternity leave that you might be better off using up once you get home. My wife's mother was with her every day in the hospital, which gave me a chance to go home, get the mail and newspapers, shower, and make sure that the air conditioning contractor hadn't stolen the jewelry.
    • If somebody suggests sometihng that sounds like a silly idea to you, skip it. One we heard was "Bring scented oils to get rid of the hospital smell, a bathing suit for dad in case mom wants to go in the shower while in labor, and your favorite CDs to listen to." We used none of that. Some people might like it, though -- thus, to them, it doesn't sound silly.
    • Do not research yourself silly, you'll only get an ulcer out of it. The doctors will probably tell you many things that *could* happen, which your brain will hear as "will" happen, and therefore you brace yourself for the worst. If it is something to worry about, they will tell you. Ask. I remember when my wife was a
    1. Re:Thoughts from the dad of a 9month old by north.coaster · · Score: 1
      Pack *your* bag for the hospital. They will give your wife most of what she needs (in terms of food and clothing), but not you. You may be there the better part of the week.

      Amen. With our first child we arrived at the hospital at 10 PM and the baby was not born until 4 PM the following day. At one point, the nurse ordered me to go the cafeteria and get something to eat. She was worried that I would faint during the actual delivery due to lack of food.

      When our second child was born, I brought my own good bag with sandwiches, snacks, water, etc. It made a big difference.

    2. Re:Thoughts from the dad of a 9month old by bellings · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My only bit of advice to add to this -- the dad can be the stay-at-home too.

      I'm assuming that it's become more and more common to be in a relationship where the woman makes more money, has better insurance, and has a stronger work identity than the man does. In those cases, daddy might put the carreer on hold, cutting back to a few hours a week, while mommy continues to work 60 hour weeks.

      Good luck.

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    3. Re:Thoughts from the dad of a 9month old by bellings · · Score: 1

      Actually, I'm not sure what "long hours" means, now that I think of it. Is it 50 hours? 70? 110? I guess it depends on where you live. Here in Fargo ND, 60 hours a week are considered "long hours", but the expectations aren't that high here.

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    4. Re:Thoughts from the dad of a 9month old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      And that fucking sucks. Talk about immasculating. A woman has a special bond with her child and should be the one to stay home. If she doesn't want to because she wants a career, fine, then don't have a fucking kid. Period.

    5. Re:Thoughts from the dad of a 9month old by Darnit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd like to add that you and your wife are the boss. Don't let grandparents tell you what to do. They give advice not demands.

      The doctor is not always right! If you don't feel comfortable with the diagnosis, tell the doctor and if he doesn't acknowledge your worries and help you through them, find a new doctor.

      A pediatrician is not neccessarily better than a family practice for all of you.

      Don't panic when something odd happens. There are a lot of new things you will experience that will scare the shit out of you. If you have friends with children call them, they've probably had the same thing happen. Don't be afraid to call your parents for advice.

      Don't take any crap from daycare providers. They work for you. It is your child, if you think it is dangerous, TELL THEM!

      Be flexible with daycare providers. They have seen many children just like yours. They may have recomendations on when to kick the bottle, pacifier or baby food.

    6. Re:Thoughts from the dad of a 9month old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A woman has a special bond with her child and should be the one to stay home.

      You don't have a bond with the kids you're raising because the daddy is the mailman, bucko. Seriously, if you don't feel any bond to your family, it's time for you to get a divorce. The family will be better off with the alimony, and without you.

    7. Re:Thoughts from the dad of a 9month old by dmorin · · Score: 1

      I had a box of Wheat Thins. Silly us arrived at the hospital at noon, having skipped lunch. I asked the nurse if Kerry, who was starving (and now on IV drugs) could have some crackers, she said "Are you nuts? Do you want the anesthesiologist to yell at all of us?"

    8. Re:Thoughts from the dad of a 9month old by jjshoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      i for one as a male of 19 am always telling my partner to get the good job so i can stay at home. never rule this out no matter how badly you feel you have to be the bread winner. besides the fact that you might be more financialy sound, you as a male might have a better relationship with your kid/s in the future do to the early bonding... but what do i know? :)

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    9. Re:Thoughts from the dad of a 9month old by Spamlent+Green · · Score: 1

      I can attest to the nesting instinct. We're expecting in about 5 weeks, but for months my wife would suddenly wake up in the middle of the night and freak out that we didn't get a crib mattress yet, or that we only have a dozen onesies, or we didn't get 3 zillion diapers yet. And it only seems to be getting worse the closer the date gets..

      Anyway, at least we're somewhat prepared at this point.

    10. Re:Thoughts from the dad of a 9month old by Spamlent+Green · · Score: 1

      Regarding the doctor stuff, don't be afraid to look into getting a doula. A doula is like a mid-wife, but her focus is on the mother's well-being (who often gets overlooked by doctors more concerned about getting the baby out) Not a lot of people know what they are, but they can be very helpful and supportive in the face of sometimes domineering medical opinions. Many women don't know that there are sometimes other less invasive options to C-sections and epidurals.

      The doula field still seems a bit 'crunchy,' but I think it's gradually becoming more mainstream, and the one we picked seems pretty down to earth.

      Anyway, my wife insisted on one, and anything that makes her more comfortable at this point is a good thing.

    11. Re:Thoughts from the dad of a 9month old by dasunt · · Score: 1

      Woah, another Fargo person.

      Quick question - I've been here for only a few months - what *is* there to do on a Friday night? (Please reply - even by emailing me at dasunt [at] hotmail dot com.)

    12. Re:Thoughts from the dad of a 9month old by ralphclark · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes, yes. Spot on, sir. I'm a father of two and I agree with every single thing you said.

      I'll just add one thing: not everybody gets to have the birth attended by highly experience professionals. My wife was attended at her first delivery in hospital by a couple of young teenage trainee midwives, and at her second at least one of the midwives was more experienced. However on both occasions they failed to notice toward the end of labour that the heart monitor showed the baby was suffering "distress" each time my wife bore down on her contractions. I had to make a fuss about it before they paid any attention at all. It turned out (in both my son's and my daughter's births) that they were being born with the umbilicus wrapped around the neck. When my wife bore down it was literally strangling them and stopping the flow of blood to the babies' brain.

      My son (my firstborn) was in such bad shape when he came out that he scored only 2 out of 10 on the Apgard scale. I won't tell you what he looked like. However he did recover in a couple of days.

      When my daughter was born this time I had an idea what was going on and I demanded they give my wife oxygen to help keep the baby's brain oxygenated. They duly fitted the mask but the idiots connected it to the wrong tap nozzle and it was left to me to point out that the oxygen was pouring out of the tap into the room instead of going through the mask, before they did anything about it.

      So much for hospital births. Anyway, my point is - to the father-to-be - keep your wits about you and don't assume just because the person at the end of the bed is wearing a nurses uniform or a surgical gown that they are actually competent or motivated.

      I guess most people especially those with adequate health insurance will enjoy more professional treatment, and I don't mean to be alarmist, but its worth considering that while childbirth is often dangerous and difficult, and unpredictable things can happen, it's *your* baby and at that moment while your wife is incapacitated with her contractions, it's really all down to you and you alone to ensure that nobody fucks up. You're not an optional extra in the delivery room, you're vitally necessary.

      Anyway. congratulations and good luck, I hope it all goes smoothly.

    13. Re:Thoughts from the dad of a 9month old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hint: The nurse ordered you to go to the cafeteria because she was pissed off with you hanging around. Don't believe me? Ask her.

    14. Re:Thoughts from the dad of a 9month old by jackb_guppy · · Score: 1

      Mine are 2yrs, 4yrs, 9yrs

      Most hospital have stupid rules about "How the bady is to leave to hospital". Stand your ground and point out having the nurse or your wife carry the baby to car - just to transfer it to the brand new carrier." While it is raining, snowing, wind blowing... or even sunny. By placing the bady into the carrier on the hospital room, gives you or the nurse - a great handle on kid.

      I have had this fight for 3 kids in row. Hospital all want the "picture" to be taken.

      Durgs for mom during birth: YES!

      I know that does not sound great for first timers. But it was a god-send. The first was three week late, my wife gave birth the normal way for all three, she had a hard time to cracking the "hip bones" to open up. Plus all my kids have "BIG HEADS" - like mom and dad. Get the "block". At least do not discount it. The real pain does not set in for a while, and there is a turning back point...at least get the tube set early JUST IN CASE!!!

      So like the family at the hospital. I setup to leave the family (mothers) at my home. My mother and Her mother (do not get along) but they stayed at the my home (they both lived less that 30 minutes away) and cleaned for the new baby, brough food for first few days. Then I called them there to come to hospital when my wife was ready, and not before.

      My noisy brother, who had worked for the hospital prior would call the room every now and then...I caled the switch board to block ALL INBOUND calls. Nices 20 hours of your life -- no calls, no pagers, no beeping - except for the machines.

      Stay with your wife. I pass-out in hospital, really just one of those things. But I stayed with my wife for 20+ hours, until the baby was born, watched the drug machines (got the nurse prior to two problems causing wife issues). Help swetch and opener her (basicly help place knees behind ears). Fought over the correct way the leg mounts where to be used with nurse (actually think they did that to keep me off the floor) - was there for baby - and then walked outside and passed-out for twenty minutes. It was great time... do it for your wife.

      And if you wife "says this is your only chance for name stake", believe her. It may not be true, the "good pain" of child birth, will change her mind around 2 years a later, but she is seriously thinking about you losing parts in the hospital.

  15. Obligatory 'You will not sleep' by Violet+Null · · Score: 1

    You won't sleep. No, really. Don't kid yourself that "the wife will take care of everything". Expect to have to do at least one night feeding with a bottle (or, if you're not going to give the baby a bottle at all, helping the wife by diapering, fetching things, etc).

    Even after the baby's grown a bit, don't assume that you can watch her and work at the same time. It won't work very well.

    Contrary to all the jokes, in-laws are a godsend. If your mother-in-law wants to come over to help, and she's not some sort of psychopathic murderer, take her up on it. An extra pair of hands really makes a difference.

    Also, before the baby comes, you and your wife should talk about her working after the baby comes: yes, or no? If yes, how long until she goes back to work, and how will the baby be cared for?

    There are plenty of books on this subject; even a few that are dad-specific. Take a look at Amazon.

  16. Time out of Joint by MopOfJustice · · Score: 1

    Time no longer functions normally. Maybe it's the sleep deprivation, maybe it's the way that I forget everything outside of the moment as soon as I get home and my girl smiles and reaches out to me. At any rate, I was working around the home yesterday when I suddenly realized that 10 months has gone by and I didn't even notice; none of the projects that I started 11 months ago have moved any farther.

    I guess I'm saying forget your priorities, and forget your life as you know it. Learn to enjoy that new bundle of life and don't sweat the little stuff (i.e.; everything else!).

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  17. Get rid of ribbon speakers! by renehollan · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Our 18 month old destroyed the ribbons on a pair of Carver loudspeakers (over 15 years old) with his tiny fingers.

    I suppose I should have expected this, but the speakers were safe around his less-curious sister (7 years his elder).

    Once they get mobile, they can and most likely will destroy anything they can out of sheer curiosity.

    While you're locking up valuable/fragile stuff that you don't want broken (the $100 VCR is prolly worth taking a chance with), don't forget general baby/child proofing of the home. There's plenty of sites on advice about this. You won't let the kid out of your sight, of course, but it is better to be safe than (very, very) sorry.

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    1. Re:Get rid of ribbon speakers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have four children and have gone threw 5 VCRs
      in 9 years. pennies and legos can be devistating
      inside these things.

  18. Here's what we did by JMax · · Score: 1

    First, be prepared to be *very* unproductive at first: your first weeks, if you are actually involved in the baby, will wipe you out totally. Eventually you will get focus, time, and productivity back.

    After a couple of months, my wife and I moved to an alternating-days arrangement. On work days, I can work as hard or as long as I need, but on baby days, I'm entirely on his schedule. Keeping these separate is actually a great arrangement, because you can totally "be there" in both realms. It boils down to a 3-day workweek, so not everybody can do it, but if you can, I recommend it.

    Last, pump the downtempo groove stuff. My little guy has spent tons of time dozing on my shoulder in front of cool XMMS visuals (GOOM) to SomaFM's Groove Salad stream. It either puts them to sleep or at least mellows them out. Subwoofers make happy babies!

    1. Re:Here's what we did by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      I knew there was a reason I liked my sub-woofer. :)

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    2. Re:Here's what we did by Radiantal · · Score: 0



      Qouted from JMAX:
      Subwoofers make happy babies!

      No kidding! My almost 2 year old has loved Linkin Park since she was born. When she's fussy, we put that on, she's either quite mellow or completely asleep. As soon as my wife switches from the CD to a Country Radio Station, she wakes up and is back to her normal self. I really think the rythmic beat of Linkin Park and the like really helps babies wind down.

      Just my $.02

    3. Re:Here's what we did by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      Thx.

      I have a little one one the way in October. The 3 day workweek would be ideal for both of us. I'm a network admin, the work will wait. She's a computer tutor. The trick will be setting enough time aside to see each other I imagine.

      I dig the XMMS idea. Our PC is our "Entertainment Center." When we move we are going to get an AV projector instead of a big-screen TV. The new place is an old-school trinity style row house, 12' wide. Who need's acid when you have a wall filled with fractals pulsing to the music?

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  19. Child Care Takes A Lot Of Time by north.coaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    When my first child was born, the biggest shock to my system was how much time my wife and I had to spend doing child care. Babies are helpless, so you gotta do everything for them. Maybe if I had younger siblings (or wasn't such an idiot) I was have known what to expect, but I was completely caught off guard.

    Forget working on any type of hobby or non-essential home project for at least three months (probably more).

  20. Lets see... by Sevn · · Score: 1

    Get a diaper genie. NOW. Trust me. These things
    make life so much easier.

    Huggies rock, and are usually cheaper than anything
    else. Don't get sucked into the cloth diaper BS.
    It's a massive pain in the ass and not worth the
    time.

    Get very nervous if your child get diarea and it
    lasts for longer than a few days. Take them to
    the doctor. Constant diarea can mean that they
    have a virus and it will dehydrate them very
    very fast no matter how much pedialyte you push
    in them.

    Do a lot of research before selecting a pediatrician.
    Try asking your wife's OBGYN who they recommend.
    They'll probably know who in the area is the
    best choice.

    Your wife will act nuts and insane for a while.
    Try to be patient and not drink too much, even
    though it does help.

    Do NOT get a cheap stroller. It will only piss
    you off in the same way that very cheap tires on
    a car will piss you off in the way they want
    to follow every line and groove in the road.

    Decide early on if baby is going to bottle feed,
    or breast feed. From tons of recent experience,

    Playtex VentAire bottle absolutely rock. You can
    get a 3 pack at wal-mart for 10 bucks. DO NOT
    get Doctor Brown bottles. They are a shitty pain
    in the ass to clean, expensive, and DO NOT work
    as advertized no matter what Oprah says. Nobody
    should be watching Oprah anymore anyway.

    Hope this helps.

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    1. Re:Lets see... by Darnit · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have mod points but the Diaper Genie really rocks and the Vent Aire bottles are worth 10 times their weight in gold. I just couldn't mod this up enough with 1 point.

    2. Re:Lets see... by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Ovol is the One True Substance.

      When you make a bottle, put in some ovol. shake it slightly. Let it get rid of the bubbles. All the tiny little bubbles. Your ears will thank you.

      Music-aware screensavers and visualizers are your friend. More accurately, they are your baby's friend. Subwoofers are good, too, for floorbound babies.

      If possible, have a friend bring over a two year old kid for a few hours. You will find most of what needs to be babyproofed during that time.

      Get rid of pets. This is personal preference, but this is also my personal opinion. When the kid's three, or five, or so, great. But not now.

      Learn to enjoy the smell of slightly sour milk and stomach juices now.

      Lay down the law with relatives; if you don't want something happening to your kid, or if you have a preferred discipline method, well, it's your kid.

      Don't allow smoking anywhere in the house or premises. Period.

      If at ALL possible, do NOT give the kid a pacifier. Ever. A couple of hours of peace now is NOT worth it when, at a year old, the kid is SO bloody pacifier-addicted, that if it falls out of the kid's face whilst it's sleeping, the kid is INSTANTLY on it's feet wailing for you to come put it back in, whereupon it INSTANTLY is lying down, sleeping again. It's creepy to see them do it without transition, by the way.

      The golden rule: crying has never killed a baby. Sometimes, the kid just wants to cry, so let it. You do NOT always need to go crazy trying to make it laugh; babies need to cry sometimes, for various reasons. You'll learn quickly enough the various noises, and which are ignorable.

      Try to avoid becoming a baby taxi; the kid's legs, presumably, aren't painted on. Again, kids are creatures of habit. Promote the good ones, and don't let the bad ones form.

      In the same vein, never EVER put the kid to sleep. Get the kid nice and sleepy, then put it down. It'll take a bit, but never EVER let the kid learn that sleep requires feeding, or a favourite video, or something. A ritual, yes, once it's older; bath, jammies, story, teddy, blanket, and night night. But if you nurse the kid to sleep, you'll be doing it for 2 years, minimum, and that sucks for you, and for them.

      Similarly, don't let the kid sleep with you, if you can at all avoid it. It's more than capable of sleeping by itself, and you and wifey will be much happier not being booted or rustled out of sleep every ten minutes.

      Sex. Have it. (But not with the kid.)

      And whatever you do, don't knock your wife back up. Trust me, I speak from experience.

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    3. Re:Lets see... by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh yeah.

      Never EVER tiptoe around a sleeping baby. Make normal noise. It will LEARN to sleep THROUGH it. If, however, it is used to having it's sleeping environs quiet as a tomb, it will require it.

      Never EVER use 'baby talk.' Do not allow anybody else to babble at your baby like idiots. Your baby will learn what it hears; if you want it to speak, speak to it. If you want it to babble, babble to it. Similarly, read to it.

      Reader Rabbit will be your friend. Starts, if I recall, one step below Toddler, with a big-ass track ball, and goes from there.

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    4. Re:Lets see... by belroth · · Score: 1
      I agree with most of this EXCEPT the advice about the child sleeping alone - probably. Cot death (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) is much less likely with infants who sleep in the same room as the parents for the first six months - you can have a bassinet or cot next to your bed. The child doesn't have to sleep in your bed - I suspect this is to do with your becoming sensitized to your child and if the breathing stops one of you may well wake up and pick up the child which, I believe, generally gets them to start breathing again. If they sleep next to your bed and start whimpering just holding their hand is often comfort enough.

      I/we made the mistake about cuddling our son to sleep. When he was 9 months we lay awake for nearly three hours listening to him cry for us before he settled himself, that was grim. He now (at 3.5) sleeps 12-13 hours every night and only cries for us when sick or very upset, it is not routine. You can get them to go cold turkey but I think it is harder on you than them, you just want to go and cuddle, but don't.

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    5. Re:Lets see... by SoCalChris · · Score: 1

      My experience with our diaper genie absolutely sucked. After trying to use it for a few months, we finally just threw the thing away.

      With the newborn diapers, we were having to push the diaper all the way into the opening to get it to catch on the little "arms" inside so that we could twist and seal the diaper. It was nasty. You don't want to get stuck doing that. It was also just a real hassle to use.

      My recommendation is to skip the Diaper Genie, and go with something else. After we threw ours away, we bought a diaper pail from Walmart for half the cost of the Diaper Genie. It takes regular trash bags, and is MUCH easier to use. It also doesn't smell or let any odors escape.

      In my opinion, the Diaper Genie is WAY overrated.

    6. Re:Lets see... by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Oh, aye, sleep in the same room; the sounds of your breathing will often help them sleep longer, anyway. But not in the same bed. That way lies madness.

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    7. Re:Lets see... by belroth · · Score: 1
      Agreed, unless you want to be the subject of a sleep deprivation experiment :-)

      One night my wife shook and poked me for 10 minutes without waking me, and a friend (father of 4) fell asleep in the dentists chair having a filling...

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    8. Re:Lets see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is said that the heartbeat of the parents helps the child sleep when letting him or her sleep in your bed, and hearing it can help prevent SIDS by not letting them get into too deep of a sleep (or something like that).

    9. Re:Lets see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your an idiot.

      1. Get a midwife have your childern at home.

      2. Don't trust any obgyns. They will make you have your baby at their convience. Read about abuse then compare what happens at a hospital with a story about someone who has been abused. You will see many similarities.

      3. Don't use bottle's. Breast is best, especially if you want smart, well kids.

      4. Don't use a stroller, get a baby sling. Just like a majority of the mom's in the rest of the world.

      5. Use cloth diapers. Paper diapers are known to cause problems to boy's special parts.

      6. Don't vaccinate. Mercury is bad for babies.

    10. Re:Lets see... by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      >Never, EVER use baby talk?!?!

      While you are well-qualified in IT (I took the time to visit your site before responding), linguistics is another matter.

      My academic background is in linguistics, and it always when people who know absolutely nothing about (human) languages or the acquisition thereof nevertheless hold forth on the topic like they are some kind of experts. Telling people that baby talk is bad is dead wrong.

      It is quite well established in the literature that baby talk is not only natural and healthy for children, it's a normal and important part of their language acquisition process and *should not* be avoided. It has also recently been found that the higher-pitched cooing and such from the mother and other female caregivers is more easily grokked by babies than the baby talk from the father and other male caregivers, which may confuse them. After reading that, I observed my own child and compared her response to my baby talk and my (single point of) empirical evidence supports that conclusion.

      The exaggeration of sounds in baby talk is very important to help infants get a grasp on the sounds of language. Our baby gets lots of baby talk in both my wife's native language and mine, and she's already producing a number of sounds from both at four months old. Her cousin, who is 3 months older but seems to get much less baby talk, is far less "talkative." Our baby will look at us and other familiy members and "talk" on a regular basis.

      Read to your child, but when s/he is old enough to grok that. When s/he's not, talk to your child. It will help with language acquisition. Sitting there and reading from a book will not. It's probably a little better than just turning on the TV, but just as context-free.

    11. Re:Lets see... by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      *shrug* As I said in a previous post, I can only speak from my personal experiences.

      And those experiences, including a five year old, in senior kindergarten, who routinely tests at grade 2 level, if not above, and who has been reading for several years, and who has a better vocabulary and diction than most of the adults I know, wasn't baby-talked to.

      That having been said, no, I've not studied the lingustic side of things all that much, although I do seem to recall that speaking multiple languages is better for the kid than much else; makes those deep structures more versatile.

      Now, of course, I could just be lucky, and have an uber kid, but I'll have to look into this further. Thanks for a new idea to satiate my curiosity-appetite-imperative for a while.

      Oh, and thanks for mentioning my site; I should get around to updating it, if it's still there. Last I'd heard, that machine had died horribly in a freak co-location transfer.... But either way, it's a few years out of date, now.

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    12. Re:Lets see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would agree with everything but 6, they stopped using mercury as a preservative in infant vaccines about 3 years ago. It is still in a lot of adult vaccines. YMMV.

  21. congrats by farnsworth · · Score: 4, Informative
    apros pos of slashdot, I would emphatically recommend setting up some sort of photo repository application *now*. and test it. make sure it easy to upload pictures with one hand, because once the baby comes, you'll no longer have the use of both hands. unless you are both orphans or live with your entire family, a lot of people will be *dying* to see pictures, and they will not stop asking you for them. it's very easy to set it up now, and it will well worth it, come november.

    apros pos of parenthood in general:

    1. get sleep now
    2. go see movies now
    3. help your wife with keeping healthy. read about nutrition and excercise, and do it as a team.
    4. have a birth plan
    5. say goodbye to all your friends :)
    6. have a strategy for childcare. you probably wont be able to arrange specifics this far in advance, but you have to start narrowing it down.
    7. if you have any long-term non-family related tasks to do, DO THEM NOW. for example, forget about learning c# in 9 months.
    8. find a parents support group near you. there are millions of things that you will need to do that currently you have no idea how to do. if you're in the SF Bay Area (or don't mind filtering through local info), check out the berkeley parents network.
    9. have fun! don't sweat it too much. people have been doing this for a pretty long time with moderate success, and half the parents are in the bottom 50 percentile!

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  22. words of advice by wcb4 · · Score: 1
    as a new dad myself (10 weeks now) I can only tell you that its nothing like what you would expect. Think of the worst child crying nightmare you have ever seen on TV or in the movies. Its worse than that, but before ou run screaming, think of the cutest baby momet you have ever seen anywhere, and when your baby smiles at you and giggles when you tickle him/her, its better than that. A few thoughts:
    • do not make any rash decisions about having a second child during the first few weeks
    • That desire you keep having to sit the child on the front lawn and leave him there is normal. As long as you don't actually do it, you are ok
    • Your days of telcommuting will likely be over unless you put the child in daycare even if you are workign from home, or unless your spouse is going to stay at home and is very understanding when you lock youself in a room and close the door.
    • All those little computer projects you would like to get done when you have time, are soon to be abandonenned for a while. Do what you can now, the rest will have to go on hold for a few months at best
    • the caffeine that you are currently imbibing to stay awake insane hours coding, is soon going to be barely enough to keep you awake 9-5... forget the late night coding sesisons for a while. I know it may seem like the only time you have to get thigns done, but it is also the only time you will have to sleep
    • There is nothing, and i mean nothign as terrifying as looking at your child and thinking, "I'm somebody's Dad"
    • everything in your life will now take 4 times longer to do. You and your spouse wil no longer just pick up and go to dinner. It now requires finding a sitter, or chaning diaper, feeding said child, clothing the child, getting car seat, putting child into care seat, packing bag with spare clothes and diapers, removing child from care seat to change diaper, changing diaper again, put child back into car seat, carrying everythign out to car and packing car, realizing its time to feed child again, feeding child, burping child, changing diaper again, putting child back in car seat and finally getting goign. I am not joking, this is your life now.
    • There is nothing, and i mean nothing as rewarding as looking at your child and thinking, "I'm somebody's Dad"
    • if you do not already have one, get a digital camera.
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  23. Re:Google for kids by mattsucks · · Score: 3, Informative

    I tried the Google search, but thanks to some A-lists tech blogs all I got was 30 links about how raising goats will lead to peace, universal love, harmony amongst nations, free (as in beer) music ...
    If I'd tried this 42 days ago I would have discovered the meaning of life....

    Another example of Googlewashing ... when oh when will something be done ????

  24. first impulse? by Demona · · Score: 1

    "Get rid of the computer."

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  25. Priorities by Fished · · Score: 5, Informative
    Let me start with my "qualifications": I have four kids, aged one to five. While I cannot claim to know everything, I think I do have some idea what you're in for. As a part-time pastor, I've also seen more than a little bit of what goes wrong in marriages. Here are a few tips:
    1. Remembers why you had kids in the first place. I think a lot of people go into having kids with the vague idea that it will be "fun", and then don't have a good foundation when it turns out to be a lot of work. Having kids isn't fun - it's the creation of a new person. These are not pets, they're people, and for that reason their value cannot be reckoned.
    2. I would strongly recommend that you consider whether having two incomes is worth it. The bottom line is that, when all the accounting is done, it rarely pays to have two incomes. First, decent daycare is expensive - for anything worth having, at least $700-1000/month/child. Second, there are many hidden expenses of working - how often do you eat out because everyone's too tired to cook? How much do work clothes cost? The net effect is that I'm not sure many families make any more money by both working unless they have very special skills (i.e. doctor,lawyer,etc) or have free childcare.
    3. The good news: your kids won't be little forever. Hang in there.
    4. The bad news: your kids won't be little forever. Don't squander the terrible twos sitting in front of the TV or the playstation.
    5. Get your finances in order. Yes, really. The best thing you can do for your kids is have a good marriage (divorce devastates kids, and anyone who says otherwise is deluded.) And the first best thing you can do for your marriage is to have your finances in order. This doesn't mean making a lot of money, it means not spending money you don't have. If you don't have a budget, make one: http://www.snowmintcs.com/ offers some good software to help.
    6. As soon as the baby's old enough, arrange a date-night at least once a month. (Typically, "old enough" is about six weeks.) This follows from the previous: the second best thing you can do for your marriage is to spend time together away from the kids. And don't forget to have fun: this shouldn't be a time to bitch about money.
    7. Following the previous two: if your marriage starts to fall apart, do whatever it takes to stop that. If that means quitting your job and being home, do it -- there's always welfare. Don't wait for the divorce notice to start working on your marriage. (And, oh yes, run like hell from adultery before it happens to you.)
    8. If someone decides to stay home with the kids, the YMCA is your friend. I'm not sure how common this is, but here the YMCA (1) gives membership to anyone, even if they can't pay and (2) has free childcare while you work out. The time away from the kids is important.
    9. One thing worth noting: most of the things kids really need cannot be bought, and most of the things that are really good for them are free. A public playground is good for kids on about sixteen million levels - and that $20 toy will be busted within a week.
    10. This is a team effort: get as much help from the family as you can. But this is your responsility, don't let grandma run your kid's life.
    11. Discipline early and often, and consistently. How you discipline (i.e. spanking or not) is not nearly as important as being consistent. A book called 1-2-3 Magic offers an excellent start on a good pattern of discipline. Also, if you wait until the kids are three or four to start disciplining, you're doomed. Start when they start crawling and they will grow into it.
    12. Most importantly: the goal of child-rearing is not always a happy kid. It's a happy, productive adult. Sometimes, the kid needs to cry today to smile tomorrow.
    Okay, there's more to say but that's all that comes to mind. :) Good luck, and don't forget your priorities: first, your marriage, then your children, then yourself.
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    1. Re:Priorities by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm definitly bookmarking this discussion for future refrence. :)

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    2. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...] The net effect is that I'm not sure many families make any more money by both working unless they have very special skills (i.e. doctor,lawyer,etc) [...]

      Or computer geek, yeah?

    3. Re:Priorities by CharlieG · · Score: 1

      If this wasn't already modded up, I'd say mod this up

      One other thing about both parents (I'll say Mom for short) working. Sometimes the "Mom" has a career of her own, and wants to work so not to loose that. It's a BIG decision. I'll disagree that good child care costs 700-1000/month - I WISH it cost that, try $1600-$2000/month/child! It really doesn't pay, but it can save your sanity

      My wife took the first 3-4 months off, and after that went back to work, but not for the cash, but because she is the type to get seriously depressed if she is "stuck in"

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    4. Re:Priorities by corbettw · · Score: 1

      "Let me start with my "qualifications": I have four kids, aged one to five. While I cannot claim to know everything..."

      Including, apparently, how to avoid getting your wife pregnant.

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    5. Re:Priorities by AngryPuppy · · Score: 1

      I really have to vouch for a parent staying at home with a child. My wife and I were planning on her going back to work although she really wanted to be a stay at home mom.

      Well, my wife ended up with toxemia (HELLP syndrome) and my son had to be delivered 11 weeks early to save her life.

      My son was born weighing in at 2 pounds, four ounces (I called him 2X4 for a while.. humor helped to cover my fear). He ended up coming home eight weeks later on a monitor (to monitor breathing and heart rate) at exactly double his birth weight. Do the math. Still very little.

      OK... My wife had already used up her maternity leave and gone into disability insurance payments while she recovered. Now our son was ready to come home, and there was no way we would ever find a daycare for his needs as a preemie. If we did find one, there was no way we would trust them with his needs. He had a tendency to quit breathing on occasion, and had to be mildly stimulated (rubbing his back) to get him to breathe again.

      That was it. Our decision was made for us. One of us had to stay home. My income being the better of ours, I continued working and my wife stayed home.

      We missed that income for about a year. After another year, things were much better. Now, I think we are on good forward progress again. We did have to adjust, and I did things to improve my take-home. In other words, necessity forced the issue and we did it.

      Our son is a normal 2.5 year old now. I still value my wife being home with him. I know he gets attention and is well cared for.

      I know I rambled, but I guess my point is that you can give up that second income, if you are willing to give up a few creature comforts.

    6. Re:Priorities by Fished · · Score: 1

      Who says I want to? I *enjoy* getting my wife pregnant. (And had a vasectomy last week...)

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    7. Re:Priorities by bluGill · · Score: 1

      Haven't you read /. lately? all the good computer jobs are going to India where the highest paid guys get $8/hr. Happened to me, now I'm a carpender, where I don't make as much as I was, but it is better than the $4/hr my education would give me for my old job.

    8. Re:Priorities by solferino · · Score: 1


      ok, so we're getting neo-con christian family-values rhetoric (marriage is the greatest thing, discipline your kids to be happy little corporate slaves) modded up to 5 on slashdot now are we?

      here's the anti-rhetoric :
      • if you're married, then you've been suckered
      • marriage is just a social delusion, easily dissolved by divorce (that is if you don't yet have kids)
      • really, really think if you want kids, or whether you're just going along with the breeding desires of your 'lovely' wife
    9. Re:Priorities by swillden · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Allow me to summarize your post more concisely:
      • Run screaming from any real responsibility to another human being.
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    10. Re:Priorities by solferino · · Score: 1

      Run screaming from any real responsibility to another human being.

      predictable, clichéd response

      at the risk of replying to some sort of troll-bot let me point out that being responsible might entail :

      • noticing that the world is already a pretty crowded place
      • thinking very seriously about whether you want children before you do it rather than five years down the track - parenthood is a lot more 'real' than marriage. Remember that as a male, you will not just be making your partner a mother but yourself into a father. Think about all that role entails and whether you really think you'll be good at it. This means looking seriously at your own track record in nurturing and being there for other people, not just romantic delusions about how good you will be for 'my kids'.
    11. Re:Priorities by stevew · · Score: 1

      This is ALL good advice!

      I want to second the bit about discipline. We were terribly inconsistant, for that matter almost spoiling our son. We went to the Dr. when he was maybe 20 months old and the Dr. told us that we REALLY needed to turn the tables on our kid, i.e. we needed to be the boss -not him! That same week I saw a show on ABC 20-20 where they followed a mom around for 24 hours, then showed it to her. There was this scene at the breakfast table where Mom would say - stop that or I'll (whatever) over and over again, then wouldn't follow through with the threat. The kids ran over her. Things changed that nite - we now have a pretty well behaved 10 year old that is a pleasure to be around (most of the time ;-) He says "Yes sir", and "Yes mam" to adults. He knows that when I say "Don't do X or bad things will happen." that I mean what I say - usually he then chooses the right course of action.

      Bottom line - and you are a couple years away from this - if you threaten discipliine - DO IT! Also know that you're going to make mistakes here - accept them and move on. You'll get better as the child gets older. Then they turn into teenagers and all bets are off ;-)

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    12. Re:Priorities by Bake · · Score: 1

      Reading your post it appears to me that you consider the following:

      Kids being raised by a single parent, or have parents who are separated/divorced, being in some ways inferiour to kids being raised by a married couple. While you may not have said so in so many words, it doesn't exactly take a genius to read between the lines.
      Believe you me, this is from personal experience, it doesn't matter if the parents are married or not, as long as the child gets attention and love from both parents.

      The notion that it's actually good to "do whatever it takes" to keep the marriage going is absurd. Do you honestly believe that it's better to have two people staying together, constantly yelling at each other or something worse, for no other purpose than to raise a child in a married relationship, than it is to simply get a divorce, stop the yelling and concentrate on being a PARENT! and start loving the child instead of spending useless energy hating the former spouse? (long sentence I know, but I'm getting sleepy)

      <rant>
      What's the big rush in getting married anyway? I've never understood that. Are two people somehow not as blessed by the Almighty as another couple of people who just happened to have had a ceremony with a preacher and all to tell them they were married?
      </rant>

      I do however agree with you on discipline. Kids these days don't get enough discipline at home (on average).

    13. Re:Priorities by elmegil · · Score: 1
      The point is, the original post was not particularly "neo-con" unless you're wearing some really strange colored glasses. I'm a liberal-leaning libertarian (hahahah) and a new parent, and I found all of his advice quite accurate and sensible (based on my own childhood experiences around divorce as well as my current experience as a parent).

      Your main good point is "think seriously about whether to have kids". I don't see how that in any way contradicts what was said in the top level post.

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    14. Re:Priorities by swillden · · Score: 1

      predictable, clichéd response

      You asked for it, I delivered. I try to toss the occasional bone under the bridge.

      at the risk of replying to some sort of troll-bot

      No, that's what *I'm* doing in this conversation. Try to keep it straight, willya?

      let me point out that being responsible might entail

      I'm extremely well aware of exactly what is involved in raising children, and it is a heavy responsibility. There are definitely moments that I'm convinced it's not worth it, too.

      But, even if you decide not to have children (nothing wrong with that, particularly if you know you're incapable of raising them well -- an admirable decision in that case), your life will be poorer without the kind of solid, lifelong relationships that only happen when you're willing to sacrifice a little of yourself. Human beings are neither disembodied intellects, nor simple bundles of nerve endings in search of stimulation.

      I don't expect you to understand this, of course. More than likely you'll ridicule my foolish naïveté. At some point in the course of your life, however, you'll understand what I mean.

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    15. Re:Priorities by KewlPC · · Score: 1

      #1: obviously nobody should over-discipline their kid. But if you don't discipline them when they do something wrong, they think that they can get away with whatever they want, and they become the boss, instead of you. Enough discipline to get the point of "Don't do that" across without overdoing it will also help the child learn self responsibility, impulse control, etc. It's also important to explain things and try and help your child understand why they shouldn't do whatever it was that they did wrong, to jumpstart their reasoning powers.

      #2: if you get divorced, do it really really early on (early enough in the kid's life that he or she won't be able to remember it), or do it when they're old enough to understand (preferrably mid- to late-teens). I speak from experience on this (my parents got divorced when I was a year old, and wasn't old enough to even remember the damn thing; OTOH, I've got cousins whose parents divorced when they were around 12, and they had, umm... "issues" with their mother and women in general for a while, because they were at that age they were old enough to realize what was happening, but not old enough to understand why or be immune to their parents using them to get back at each other).

      And no, marriage isn't easily dissolved by divorce. Alimony, community property, child support, can all make your life suck just as much after divorce as it did when you were married, but in a completely different way.

      Everybody should wait at least a year (or three) before popping out their first brat, to give enough time for any problems to sprout. If you have a kid right away, and get divorced after the kid is born, it's going to hurt your child a lot more than it will you or your wife.

      #3: exactly. The world is crowded enough, and doesn't need another kid who's messed up (or a selfish brat) because of his or her unfit parents. Most women get the desire to pop out at least one kid, but the question you've got to ask yourself is, "Can I do a good job, or will I just fuck the kid's mind and life up?"

    16. Re:Priorities by KewlPC · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I agreed with you until you said that your kid now calls adults "Sir" or "Ma'am".

      I really fucking hate it when parents do that.

      It is one thing to teach your kid respect, but that doesn't require you to be authoritarian.

      You should try explaining to your son why something is bad or shouldn't be done. Still punish him when he goes ahead and does it anyway ;), but instead of "Don't hit your brother BECAUSE I SAID SO! GO TO YOUR ROOM!" try "Listen, mister, I don't ever want to see you hit your little brother again. No, I don't care if he hit you first. You don't like getting hit, do you? No? Well, I'm pretty sure that HE doesn't like to be hit either. The next time you two get in a fight, think about how much it hurts when he hits you, and just stop the whole thing right there by not hitting him back. That way, HE'LL get in trouble, but YOU won't. Now, go to your room, and if you do it again you're grounded."

    17. Re:Priorities by solferino · · Score: 1

      Human beings are neither disembodied intellects, nor simple bundles of nerve endings in search of stimulation.
      and I said they were, where exactly?
      I don't expect you to understand this, of course.
      your condescending arrogance makes itself known.
    18. Re:Priorities by swillden · · Score: 1

      and I said they were, where exactly?

      Never claimed you did. I was just cutting off a couple lines of argument -- and there are plenty of people who do take those ridiculous points of view, in practice, even if they might object to my stark characterization. So tell me, then, what *is* your point of view? Assuming you believe what you wrote, you obviously don't find believe in long-term committed relationships, so what is your goal in life? How do you build a fulfilling and joyful life? And what made you so sour on marriage and children?

      your condescending arrogance makes itself known.

      Condescending arrogance? No, more like pity. Assuming you actually believe what you wrote. Are you saying you do understand why a life without long-term relationships is an empty one? And if so, why do you object so strongly to family ties?

      And if you're just trolling, well, I'm just troll-baiting, so I figure we're even.

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    19. Re:Priorities by Jason+Earl · · Score: 1

      Anyone that believes that single parents don't face serious obstacles in raising their children is deluded, plain and simple. Sure, there are lots of cases of single mothers (or single fathers) that do a good job raising their children, but such cases are the exception to the rule.

      The fact of the matter is that both the mother and the father play important roles in raising children. Raising children is hard, and doing so singlehanded is a monumental task.

      Marriages are hard too. Even the best marriages require a great deal of work. In fact, it is the work that makes them worth the while. Being married gives you the opportunity to think about someone else's welfare over and above your own welfare. This does not mean that I believe that parents should stay together even when they hate each other. What this means is that parents should do whatever it takes to stay in love.

      Despite the fact that being married and having children is harder work than anything that I have ever done, I can honestly say that nothing else has ever brought me the joy that being a husband and father has brought to my life. It is comforting to know that my wife "has my back," and it is very rewarding to see my children grow and progress. As far as I am concerned my family is what life is all about.

      And so if you will excuse me, I think I'll go see what my wife is up to.

    20. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad it worked for your kid. My daughter has been diagnosed with ADHD and is on Ritalin, i don't like it that much but she literally can't think straight without it.

    21. Re:Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that's brilliant. Drugs instead of parenting.

    22. Re:Priorities by BJH · · Score: 1

      My wife had toxemia, but carried the baby nearly to term. About four or five days before the expected birthdate, she had a bout of very high blood pressure and had to go into hospital (for her health, not the baby's).

      The doctor decided that night that he'd have to do a Caesarean the following morning at 10am, but guess what - the baby came out all by himself at 4am!

      Still, I don't like to think what could have happened - my wife's blood pressure peaked at 190/140 or so.

      Some rambling on my part ;)

    23. Re:Priorities by BJH · · Score: 1

      Depends on where you are, I guess. I read, write and speak Japanese, work in Japan on financial systems and make ~$US95,000 a year, and my degree isn't even CS (linguistics, to be precise).

    24. Re:Priorities by jmkrtyuio · · Score: 1

      Everyone needs to learn that the world does not revolve around them. Respecting your elders and for that matter anyone else helps that. Idealy the explanation would be something offered to your child, but never demanded by your child.

    25. Re:Priorities by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      A six-year-old that does not refer to adults as "Sir" or "Ma'am" is considered to be severely lacking in respect in some parts of the country. I wouldn't train a child that way in Los Angeles, but you'd find a child that didn't use those terms reprimanded at school in the Nashville suburbs. It's not authoritarian, if by that you mean inflexible family governance by fiat; I spent plenty of time becoming acquainted with authoritarian, and "sir" and "ma'am" are just good manners, as much as they bother you.

  26. 10 Month Old at home by baldass_newbie · · Score: 1

    In no particular order:

    ** You will not sleep. Not like you're used to. You might get one good night after 8 months. Eventually this will go away.

    ** Music works wonders. For my daughter, it was the Doors. Keep experimenting.

    ** Consider the Ocean Wonders Aquarium (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00 005YVRN/qid=1049477770/sr=10-1/ref=sr_10_/002-6279 546-3886455?v=glance&s=baby&st=toys), you'll be glad you did.

    ** Get on your hands and knees and crawl around and look at your home from THEIR perspective.

    ** Enjoy the hell out of them. Yes, YOU made that.

    ** Realize you'll never look at life the same way again.

    Good luck.

    -J

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    1. Re:10 Month Old at home by pizpot · · Score: 1

      Get your wife to quit her job. You don't need the money more than your kids need a mom. It will raise your experience from "this suxxor" to "hi I'm home :-) " Don't use the old style pampers. They raise the body temp of your kids testicles enough to reduce sperm count later on in life to a drastic degree. Lighten up, or they will hate you when they get big.

    2. Re:10 Month Old at home by bellings · · Score: 1

      Get your wife to quit her job.

      Or, quit your job. After the first few years, breasts cease to play any meaningful role for child rearing.

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    3. Re:10 Month Old at home by CharlieG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      RE:
      Realize you'll never look at life the same way again

      As my ex boss (who is a /. reader) said to me just before my first was born "The second they put your child in your arms, the whole world changes"

      You rapidly understand about the "Lioness defending her cubs" - Oh yeah, you'll feel that way too, and if you have a girl, you will REALLY understand those jokes about "rules for dating my daughter"

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    4. Re:10 Month Old at home by baldass_newbie · · Score: 1

      I do have a girl.
      Any boy coming to the house will see my shotgun and shovel by the door under a sign that says, "I know how to use both. Have fun."
      Having said that, I think my girl is going to learn how to take care of herself.

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    5. Re:10 Month Old at home by pizpot · · Score: 1

      >>Get your wife to quit her job. >Or, quit your job. After the first few years, >breasts cease to play any meaningful role for >child rearing. Hmmm. Actually I meant get your spouce to quit her/her job then. Kids are great, but so is going to work and not listening to them whine all day. :-)

    6. Re:10 Month Old at home by McCarrum · · Score: 1

      ROFL

      I have two girls from my first marriage (aged 6 and 7), my (now) partner has two girls from her previous marriage (aged 13 and 15), and we just had our own, another girl. Yes, pity me. My geek back room IS my 'man's place'.

      Our attitude is 'if its her idea, fine .. if it's yours, it'll be the last one you have'.

    7. Re:10 Month Old at home by KewlPC · · Score: 1

      ** Don't give your kid a pacifier. They'll get too attached to it, and might not be able to sleep without it.

      ** Don't replace the pacifier with something else to get the to go to sleep (feeding, a favorite video, or whatever). Again, they'll grow dependant on it. It's important that they develop good sleeping habits.

  27. Colic: PLEASE READ by GCP · · Score: 1

    Our baby was colicky. You can't believe how bad this is. He screams like he's being tortured all night and there's nothing you can do.

    All the medical sites say there's no cure except to wait it out. Our pediatrician concurred, though we tried all sorts of things.

    Finally, I found a suggestion on the Net that worked.

    REMEMBER IT. TELL YOUR FRIENDS:

    Baby Zantac (or any equivalent medication). Our baby had acid reflux and it was burning him, causing terrible pain. Few doctors seem to consider this, but at the very least try it among the other steps you take (eliminating dairy products and the other things they'll suggest).

    I REALLY wish I'd known at the start. You can't believe how miserable it is for both baby and parents. I don't know if this will solve all colic, or just some, but at least try it and tell other parents to try it.

    (And, no, I don't represent any drug company. Use whatever your pediatrician suggests for acid reflux.)

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    "Those who have never entered upon scientific pursuits know not a tithe of the poetry by which they are surrounded."
    1. Re:Colic: PLEASE READ by StillDocked · · Score: 1

      good point, and I am a bit irked that I forgot about it...on the recommendation of a friend who is a Ped., we took a look at Dr. Brown's Bottles whivh also help, in conjunction with TEA sleeping in his car seat for a while, so he was more upright...

    2. Re:Colic: PLEASE READ by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 1

      Colic is basically any unrecognized source of discomfort that causes a baby to cry. If doctors can't find a cause, it gets labeled as colic. Zantac might help some. Mylicon others. We tried them all.

      Our middle one had it in the late afternoon. From the time she was 2 months old until 6 months, from 2pm until 5 or 6pm (just about the time I got home from work) she would scream. Just scream at the top of her lungs. Not exactly a pain cry, and not exactly angry, but definitely a "something is not right in the universe and you need to fix it NOW!" cry. When it ended each day, it was just over, and she was back with us like nothing ever happened. And then she "grew out of it" and it just stopped.

      Who knows? Every baby is a person, and no two are the same. Be ready to encounter things that can't be analyzed, explained or reverse-engineered.

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    3. Re:Colic: PLEASE READ by McCarrum · · Score: 1

      I have to agree here, My first had reflux so bad she could projectile vomit across the room (no, not with green pea soup). Double evil, as she's in pain and she's now hungry again.

      Endure. That's all you can do. It will pass, and the road will be hard and long.

  28. well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My only experience with kids is that I was one, so this is probably a bunch of crap, but here goes:

    1) RAISE your kid(s). That means you have to be with them. This is a full-time job...I think it's terrible when dual-income no-kids (DINKs) become dual-income with kids (DIWKs). Somebody has to adjust their schedule to take care of the kid full-time. Raising kids is the most important "job" we have as human beings. Try and keep this in mind. If you wonder why people are so stupid or selfish today, it's probably because they weren't raised by anybody in particular.

    2) Does your wife want to give birth in a hospital? There are many options for natural childbirth that are much less stressful on kids and parents. Cutting parts of her body to aid childbirth, the stress of a hospital environment, docters, nurses, and interns you don't know sticking their fingers in your wife, etc. I don't think a doctor is need at birth any more than a doctor is needed at conception. The lower stress of alternative childbirth can actually make childbirth easier for your wife. You might also hear about natural ways to stimulate the body to relax the muscles, etc. But of course this is up to her, hopefully *she* is doing her own "ask slashdot" somewhere to get more information... many women try it on the second child, if not the first.

    1. Re:well by KewlPC · · Score: 1

      #2) Maybe. Things don't always go well during childbirth. Who are you going to trust in a medical emergency, a midwife or a doctor? I would most likely have died (along with my mother) had I not been born at a hospital (I was tangled up in the umbilical cord, and my heart stopped twice).

  29. Stop buying laptops by RobTerrell · · Score: 1

    This is stupid geek parent advice, but whatever. I thought a wifi laptop would be perfect for parenting. However, the screens are just too damn fragile. I say this after replacing two screens. Keep your laptops away from the kids.

    Also -- by age 2.5, KidPix is your best friend. After lots of initial frustration learning the mouse, they'll play with that sucker for hours. And they learn lots of basic GUI skills. Perhaps that's terrible, having a kid internalize GUIs are we know them. Hmmm. Either way, make sure you've got a screen you don't about finger smudges on. Removing finger-grease laced with juice, paint, and boogies from your expensive 18" LCD screen every day will start to make you cry. Or maybe that's just sleep deprivation.

    You might also try some web games -- I know a little girl who highly recommends Rolly Polly Ollie and those damn Disney Clay games. Damn that Disney, they firgure something out and kids get sucked in fast. However, if you've actually read and loved the A. A. Milne books, under no circumstances should you surf to or purchase anything related to "The Book Of Pooh" or you'll be cursing while your kid's entranced by total crap. Freakin' Disney sucks the life out of everything, but kids don't care how stupid it's become.

    A poster above said his wifi was killed by his baby monitor. This didn't happen to me at all. So caveat emptor. Baby monitors are horrible, anyway; they screech static or make those tiny little ticking noises that you'll never notice until you're trying to get some much-needed sleep. Rig something up with a spare PC + sound card + wifi and serve a live ogg stream from your kid's room.

    Okay, yeah, that's a terrible idea. But hmmmm...then I could listen to the baby montitor from anywhere in the world!...

    1. Re:Stop buying laptops by Jerf · · Score: 1

      Perhaps that's terrible, having a kid internalize GUIs are we know them. Hmmm.

      (Assumed male pronoun for my convenience. And this is more targetted at the Ask Slashdot poster then a direct reply to RobTerrell.)

      I wouldn't worry much about that. I don't expect LOAD "*", 8, 1 to do anything anymore (C=64 BASIC, for those that don't know), and I seem to have adapted to all the non-disc based controllers around now-a-days (Intellivision controls).

      The thing to watch for is to try to use this time to get the kid introduced to how computers work, how they are always logical, etc. I'm not a fan of anything that hides this; don't underestimate your kid, because you'll be doing him a serious misservice. Obviously you're not going to stick him in front of a Quake III program, but you'd be surprised how quickly they outgrow explicitly "child"-oriented programs.

      Even if neither they nor you realize it. Blinkenlights are one of the most insidious baby inventions ever. All of babys toys should be educational on some level... and the vast majority of them are. Dolls enable importent roleplaying (be they girls dolls or boys GI Joe figures or whatever). Blocks & legos build spatial skills, planning skills, and introduce the kid to the idea that some things aren't possible, like building stable inverted pyramids. (It's amazing how many kids grow up with no conception that there are some things that are impossible.) Almost all toys have redeeming value, except the blinkenlights toys and computer programs, which teach the kids that they get a large result from a small input like hitting a button, and that things should blink and animate and generally be noisy to be fun, both of which are really, really wrong. (In the real world, good results take work, and if it's making noise it's probably broken... ;-) ) If I ever have kids, one rule that will be conveyed to my family and friends is no blinkenlights toys. (The fact that they are annoying for the local adults doesn't even really factor into this; that's how strongly I dislike them.)

      The other to watch for is to make sure it's not just a game machine, and it doesn't eat too much time. Overall the books are probably much better ideas. Kids can pick up on computing later in a way that they can not pick up on reading later; any child of normal intelligence ought to be reading Dr. Suess on their own before entering kindergarten. You can not give a better gift then an early introduction to reading. If you're going to put them through the normal school system this will give them that extra boost that they can hopefully ride throughout their entire life, because while it may be a slogan, reading really is fundamental.

    2. Re:Stop buying laptops by nurightshu · · Score: 1

      You've got me curious now -- are there games similar to the classic "Rocky's Boots" anymore? I learned basic logic gate behavior from that game and loved the hell out of it.

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    3. Re:Stop buying laptops by KewlPC · · Score: 1

      Yes, there are only three "fun" things more important than giving your kids books:

      1)Reading said books to them.

      2)Having your kids read those books to YOU, with you helping them on the words they don't understand the meaning of or can't pronounce.

      3)Don't just give them kiddie books. Obviously you aren't giving them philosophy books, but find something that they're interested in (and stay away from those damned books with the built-in speaker and pen where you run the pen over the word and the built-in microcontroller plays a HAL9000'esque voice saying that word; they don't learn to read that way, at least not very well, and the electronic voice will drive you batshit), and get them books about that subject that are on, or (better yet) just slightly above, their reading level.

    4. Re:Stop buying laptops by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      Thx.

      I'm a parent to be, and I was all set to retrofit some thinkpads into "Blinkinlights" style toys. Actually I was planning on writing some educational software to introduce shapes and colors, and speak when the kid types a word. (My sister's as pre-schoolers loved that.)

      Your post reminded me that, while computers are fun, kids really need to learn the basics of physics and human interaction, FIRST.

      I'll wait a few years, and I think I have the laptops act as an encylopedia instead. I went through the whole damn set while learning to read, hopping from reference to reference.

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      "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
      --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
  30. good luck by doug · · Score: 1

    As the father of two, I think the "common knowledge" is true, but it won't sink in until you go through it yourself. But just in case, here are the highlights:

    - it is a lot more work than you think it will be
    - you will get less sleep - plan on it
    - your fun activities will pretty much stop

    _What To Expect When You're Expecting_ was the best book that we looked at. That series is good, but shows so many possible problems that you might get depressed. You won't encounter most of the problems in those books (knock on wood). But when you do, the advice is usually pretty good.

    The one thing that I wish someone had told me early on was: use your vacation wisely. Sure, I saved up for the birth, but I used most of it in the first few days after my first son was born. With my second son I rationed a lot better, so I was taking three or four half days per week instead of full days up front. My wife was so happy after the births that she could handle the first few days well, but it was the cumulative lack of sleep from the all night feedings that was killing her.

    Another thing that we had problems with was managing relatives. They came over and "helped out", but often just wanted to play with the newborn instead of doing useful stuff. For us that would have been helping with the older kid (doesn't apply to you yet), cleaning up, preparing meals, and genearlly running the house. The new mom is usually quite happy to attend to the newborn, but everything else gets pushed off. If no one in your family wants to help with this stuff, and you don't have the time to handle it by yourself, plan on hiring a maid to stop by once a week. It would be money well spent.

    Another thing I learned the hard way: don't get a puppy when she's 5 months pregnant. Having a companion for our first child sounded like such a good idea at the time, but boy did that backfire. We still have the dog, but there were more than a few rough moments. And anyway, kids don't really start playing with dogs until they are 3-5 years old.

    It not all sunshine and fun. You will do things you don't like (imagine crawling around the carpet looking for bits of crap when the kid took his messy diaper off). You will spend more money than you want to. But if you're anything like me, it is all worth it in the end. They're the greatest things in my life and I wouldn't give them up for the world. Except maybe for some peace and quiet....

    - doug

    PS: While this isn't "News for Nerds", I really think it qualifies as "Stuff that Matters".

  31. Don't try so hard next time... by jag164 · · Score: 1

    After a few years of trying.... You're a geek so I must assume you consume coffee (or other sources of caffine) galore. Next time, cut it out of your system. Ditch the tighty whities and put some boxers on. Yeah, I know there are many other reasons conception can be difficult, but those are just two pieces of advice for the rest of the the readers here.

    1. Re:Don't try so hard next time... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      Not that this is a causal relationship or not...

      But I'm a boxer man, and we concieved after a month of trying.

      Of course, being Irish might have a little to do with that too...

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      "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
      --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
  32. Pregnancy. by fava · · Score: 2, Informative

    NEVER repeat NEVER argue with a pregnant woman.

    The hormonal changes during pregnancy are 7 times the hormonal changes that cause PMS, so even if you win you will loose.

  33. Step One: Lighten Up by gmhowell · · Score: 5, Funny

    Step One: lighten up. You're the dad, and you're married. You won't get to do the fun stuff unless they let you. 'They' is your wife, her friends, her sister(s), your sister(s), your mother, your mother in law, etc. All of this is good, as if you start to smell poop, you run for another room. Doesn't matter which room, as long as the kid isn't there. Another good hint is to look at her sister, your mother, etc. and say "Oh, isn't it cute when Junior does this?" then run to the other room. Their ability to let a kid sit around in a poopy diaper is much less than yours. Trust me.

    While naked kids running around are kinda funny in a Lord of the Flies way, they will piss on things even more indiscriminantly than a vile cat. You have been warned.

    Read my journal, and look at my friends list. I've written plenty on the subject. Go to www.marotti.com and look for my 'geek dad' writings. Honestly, I've already covered most of the basics on the subject.

    What else... Learn to work the repeat function on your DVD player. The kid's favorite Disney flick plus A->B repeat equals hours of peace and quiet.

    Newborns and infants don't do much. Oh, it'll be interesting as hell for you, but they really don't do anything. Eat, crap, sleep, repeat. If you're lucky (there's two types of luck;) you'll get a screamer. That would be my sister and her husband as infants.

    Cut back on the work. My father is a physician. Did and does work 60+ hour weeks. Mother used to run his office, and did the same. I had more toys and other shit growing up than probably 99% of the people out there. Didn't make me any happier than spending time with the folks.

    Enjoy the sex while you can. It IS going to change. But I'm sure you can get plenty of advice on masturbation from almost anyone on /.

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    1. Re:Step One: Lighten Up by Deagol · · Score: 1

      Wow! -- I didn't know Erma Bombeck read Slashdot! :) Thanks for the laugh!

  34. What do I wish? by Samus · · Score: 1
    What do you wish you had known before child #1 was born?

    That you always have to use birth control

    Seriously we had our first a bit early in the marriage. We had accepted the risk of getting pregnant and all so it wasn't like it was that big of a deal. I did find that my son liked to beat up keyboards. I gave him an old broken one that he used to drag around the house by the cord. He kept it until the keys started falling off. Then it became a choking hazard. One thing that I miss is not seeing many movies in the theater anymore. Those are now few and far between.

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  35. my best tip 4 gnu dads by cryptozoologist · · Score: 1

    always, always, really always carry a clean handkerchief.

    1. Re:my best tip 4 gnu dads by unitron · · Score: 1
      "always, always, really always carry a clean handkerchief."

      Not to mention one of those zip-loc type plastic bags with several diaper wipes sealed inside. You can stash it in a jacket or pants pocket and they have a number od uses.

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      I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

  36. Very important... by FroMan · · Score: 1

    Beat'm... beat'm twice a day whether they need it or not. My pa gave us an ass whoop'in twice a day everyday, except when we were bad, then it was more. It made me the man I am today, a homicidal, red headed step child. Hmmm, on the other hand maybe this isn't such good advice...

    Note to humor impaired social workers: don't waste your time looking up my folks, they weren't really like that at all.

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  37. Basically by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
    That I'm in the wrong business. I shoul've gotten into diaper recycling. That's where the big money should be, at least if my experience is even slightly close to the average.

    Of course you'll have to deal witht the Evil Cloth Diaper Keiretsu, but that just makes things interesting.

  38. Re:wipe warmer and car seats by avi33 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have to laugh out loud when I see the wipe warmer on the list of "must-haves."

    We regard it as one of the signs of an "uber-mom." Right up there with Eddie Bauer stroller, the $75 patagonia fleece jumper that will be outgrown in 2 months, and yoga for infants. (Don't get me wrong, we put our kids in play groups, but not $20/hour ones.)

    Also, as far as the point about car seats, I would NOT recommend getting one that fits 3 stages. The goal is not to but the least amount of gear, the goal is to protect your child's little melon. As such, you should get the safest and most highly tested one for infants, even if it only lasts you until 20 pounds. Then you can get a convertible one that lasts through the next two stages. By convertible, I mean it faces backwards until they are 1 year/30 pounds, and then faces forward. Don't be afraid to drop cash on a nice infant seat.

    Who gives a rat's ass if it clips into the stroller (most will sit safely on the stroller anyway). Get a basic, decent, light stroller, they're worth it in the long run. I know there are a lot of gadget geeks out there, but the modularized crap they sell you is mostly garbage.

  39. Extended family & time by obtuse · · Score: 1

    I am not yet a parent, but hope to be soon, and we're actively trying. This is a subject very dear to me.

    A lot of personality is laid down very early (first few years,) be it nature or nurture. This is what kind of person your child is, and how your child relates to other people. If you're actually bright creative geeks, raise your own kids if you can.

    We won't be a 2 income family. Childcare is so expensive that the second salary means a lot less, especially compared to actually knowing and raising our own kids.

    Your family can be a big help. Do you want to live in a big extended family? How involved do you want the grandparents to be? I'm hoping they'll spend a lot of time staying with us, because we both adore our parents. My wife spent a lot of time with her grandmother as a child, and I knew my grandparents very well too. We're both glad of it. Remember, they've done this before.

    Think hard about how to get time with your family. I'm still trying to figure it out. Consult, contract, go cold turkey on half my salary so we could live on a teacher's pay? Moving's out because we want to be close to the grandparents.

    My father was a college professor, and we got 3 month family vacations most years, in addition to 2 weeks off for Christmas. We often went to visit the grandparents on those vacations. When I started to think seriously about raising kids, I realized how difficult it will be to have anything like that with my own kids.

    Tangentially, I think a lot of geeks, (or more generally intellectuals) underestimate people. People can be most complex and rewarding things you will ever encounter.

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  40. More Product Advice by Sevn · · Score: 1

    If you are smart, don't buy too many toys that
    make loud noises. It will only drive you bugshit
    down the road.

    Kids can't see in color for a while. There are a lot
    of neat toys specifically designed in neutral colors
    in high contrast. I know my daughter prefered these
    toys for a long time.

    Canon Powershot cameras rock because they can take
    short, high quality movies with sound that are
    emailable. They are also built very tough. I think
    I've dropped my Powershot S110 about a hundred
    times and it's still working perfectly. They are
    also compatible with Gphoto2.

    They make this thing that's like a pacifier leash
    that you can attach to your kids shirt. VERY VERY
    cool. It means that your child will learn how to
    get their own pacifier when they want it, and it
    will always be handy.

    DO NOT waste money on a basinette. You'll end up
    getting rid of it in a year. Start out with a
    decent crib that will last 3 years. On that note,
    do not let the baby get used to sleeping in bed
    with you and the missus. You'll have hell to pay
    breaking them of that habit.

    Onesizes rule. Get plenty of onesizes.

    Get a good electric swing. They come in very handy.
    Start your baby out early in the swing so they
    get programmed to understand that it's nappytime
    when they are put into it. It's great when you
    and your wife need time together.

    A lot of babies are lactose intolerant at birth,
    and don't get comfy with lactose until later.
    If you are going the formula route, lactose free
    similac mixes very very fast. We carry a few
    Playtex VentAire bottles with us with water in
    them, and a can of this stuff wherever we go. You
    can make a bottle in about 15 seconds with
    practice.

    Hope This Helps.

    --
    For every annoying gentoo user, are three even more annoying anti-gentoo crybabies. Take Yosh from #Gimp for example.
  41. Get your wife tested for celiac disease by RockStar · · Score: 1

    I hate to mention possibly bad outcomes to the pregnancy, but it's better to find out some things ahead of time.

    At about 20 weeks, your wife should be tested for celiac disease. It's basically a gluten intolerance that ruins your intestines. While that's bad enough in its own, research has linked the presence of celiac disease to "unfavorable" pregnancy endings (i.e. miscarriage, stillbirth, etc.)

    The other bit about celiac disease that nobody seems to mention is that quite often pregnancy can trigger it. So, even if your wife is fine now, I would still highly suggest getting tested before the halfway point of the pregnancy.

    My wife and I lost our baby at 37 weeks in December. She has since been diagnosed with celiac, and the doctors think it may have been a large contributing factor.

    Don't take any chances!!!!

  42. Congratulations! by Mandomania · · Score: 5, Informative
    My wife and I had a son just over two years ago. Here's our two bits:
    • Prepare for sleepless nights. This was the one thing that caught us completely by surprise. People always joked that we'd never sleep, but I thought, "Hey, I've worked crunch time. I've put in 100 hr. weeks. This baby won't be so bad." Ha! That little monster kept us awake for a year. Just FYI. If you don't have a coffee maker, get one now.
    • You can NEVER have too many diapers. Believe me, there's nothing worse than making a 3am run to the store to pick up diapers for a 6 mo. old. NOTHING. Oh, and pick up a Diaper Genie (it's one of those diaper pail things with the sealable bags). It won't block all of the odor, but it helps. A LOT. And get a wipe warmer (I think someone might have already mentioned it).
    • Teething's a bitch. Unfortunately, beyond keeping those little teething rings nearby, there's not much you can do. Kids sometimes get feverish when they're teething, so before you panic and think your kid has malaria, check the gums. She's probably teething.
    • Speaking of malaria, kids get sick. This is the worst part of being a parent, IMHO. You will NEVER feel more helpless in your entire life than when you're holding your sick kid, and they look up at you with those "I-feel-like-shit-why-won't-you-do-something!" eyes. Again, not much you can do here other than take the kid in to the pediatrician, give them the medicine, and suck it up. They get sick all the time (especially if they're in day care), but it's just a fact of life. And it doesn't get any easier :-(.
    • Enjoy this time. Each phase of childhood has it's own joys, but the first 6-9 months are really special. Everything's new, and everything she does will be "The First". The First Smile. The First Laugh. The First Crap. The First Projectile Vomit. You get the drift. Savor these moments, because like college basketball, they're over far too soon. Once she's mobile (crawling or walking), it's all over.


    This should get you started :-). Of course, if you have any questions or just wanna bawl like a little girl, I'd be happy to help (or ridicule). Email's above.

    I wonder if there's a Geek Fathers club...

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    Mando
    1. Re:Congratulations! by bluGill · · Score: 1

      Again, not much you can do here other than take the kid in to the pediatrician, give them the medicine, and suck it up.

      Watch the doctors though, some will give medicine everytime you come in, even if it won't help. Medicine works by killing things, when you are ill with something it works on, most of what it kills is bad, so you need it and must not ignore it. When you are ill (or healthy) but with something else that the medicine doesn't work on, the medicine just works on the body, which in the best case might be harmless, but more often will cause the body to get used to those drugs, and then become weaker without them.

      When you take the kid in make it clear to the doctor that if he can't do anything you want to know that, not get a perscription for a drug that won't help. (many doctors are doing this now, but not all)

    2. Re:Congratulations! by Mandomania · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's where having a wife who's also a nurse REALLY helps :-). We went through a couple of doctors that had that exact problem, although I can see where the problem comes from. If I took my sick kid to the doctor and she said "There's nothing we can do. Just let him tough it out and he'll be fine.", I'd probably bitch and moan until she prescribed him SOMETHING. I hate to see him sick that much.

      I shudder to think what would have happened to my kid if my wife wasn't here.

      --
      Mando

    3. Re:Congratulations! by elmegil · · Score: 1

      No, not a Diaper Genie. That slaves you to THEIR BAGS FOR THE LIFE OF THE GENIE. Not to mention, those little balls are not very biodegradeable. Get a Diaper Champ. You use ANY BAG THAT FITS, you can put in any type of diaper you like, and it keeps the smell isolated just as good as the Genie. If you want to use disposables, go to it. If you want to use cloth, you can do that just as easily, something you can't say for the Genie.

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    4. Re:Congratulations! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Once she's mobile (crawling or walking), it's all over."

      Yeah, my kid brought back her first boyfriend before she was crawling.

    5. Re:Congratulations! by BJH · · Score: 1

      Screw that - get a plain plastic pail with a lid, and save plastic bags from when you go shopping.

    6. Re:Congratulations! by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
      We should add an event to meetups.org!

      Of course, you have to find somewhere Kid friendly... maybe the local Chucky-Cheese or a City park? Hmmm... cook-out, beer, portable expresso machine... WIFI oooh need WIFI...

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    7. Re:Congratulations! by elmegil · · Score: 1

      I'd really like to see you open any sealed lid with one hand, while preventing your 6 month old from rolling off the changing pad/table with the other hand, and wrangling a poopy diaper with your hypothetical third hand.

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    8. Re:Congratulations! by BJH · · Score: 1

      Easy - wrap up the diaper and throw it away after you've finished changing the baby.

      And we don't use a changing table; it's a bit hard for the baby to fall off the floor ;)

    9. Re:Congratulations! by elmegil · · Score: 1

      Cool. Enjoy the back pain :-).

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  43. Due? by SoftwareTechie · · Score: 1

    I'm not familiar with your terminology. Do you mean Incept date?

    Many congratulation, even if I have no useful advice to give.

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  44. Advice I wish someone had given me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...if you collaborate with other people on line with IRC, get a really good IRC proxy, such as ezbounce or dircproxy. That way, you can log all of the IRC traffic that occurs while you are away. Believe me, you'll be away from your box a lot more when Junior shows up.

    Support your wife. Really. When motherhood happens to a woman, it is highly likely that the activities of motherhood are more important to them than their positions in the workplace. This is a really good instinct, and it holds the fabric of society together. Be prepared for this, and be prepared to unconditionally support her desire to care for your new child. Work hard and play hard: there is no happiness like domestic happiness.

  45. Baby emotions by GCP · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was quite surprised by the sophistication of my child's emotions. (My child is probably typical in this respect.)

    When he was about 6 months old, he was trying to do something. His attempts were pretty silly, because of his inexperience with the world, and I laughed at him. Not a big laugh, just a chuckle.

    When I did, he suddenly got a look on his face that was absolutely clear. He was obviously very offended. Then it quickly changed to embarrassment and he stopped trying to do what he had been working on and refused to try again.

    I was really shocked. I had no idea that a 6-month-old baby could understand that he was being laughed at (not with), nor that he was capable of having his pride hurt.

    I assumed babies were simpler, with very simple emotional responses to physical needs and wants. I never imagined that I could hurt a baby's pride.

    I guarantee it never happened again. Since then, I've been very careful to treat him with a lot more respect.

    I should also say that he resembles me a lot and I can pick up his emotions easily because I recognize my own reactions. I never realized how difficult it is to be a baby or small child. They have LOTS of fears and frustrations. The worst for him appears to be a frustration at the lack of control he has over his own life. If I want something, I can just take it, and he knows that. If he wants something, he has to ask, and more often than not the answer is a "No" for which he has little appeal. (It's often something dangerous that I can't compromise on.) That lack of control is very stressful to him, which is something I hadn't anticipated.

    Take their emotions seriously. Imagine yourself in their position and have some empathy for how tough it would be. It seems to be approximately as tough for them as it would be for you in the same situation, which would be pretty tough if you think about it, so try not to automatically say "no" just for your own convenience. Think about how you would like to be treated if you were trapped in their situation, and treat them accordingly.

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    1. Re:Baby emotions by JLester · · Score: 1

      Excellent comment, wish I had moderator points today. We've been trying, but no luck yet. You had some very interesting thoughts that I hadn't even considered.

      Jason

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    2. Re:Baby emotions by belroth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once the childs comprehension starts picking up (5/6 months) whenever possible explain the reasons for prohibitions etc. They won't understand to start with but they will gradually start to pick things up and it will train you to treat them as intelligent. Not going overboard, the explanations are simple to start with but it's a principle of communication you are establishing.

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    3. Re:Baby emotions by quintessent · · Score: 1

      Good advice. Also, I think that long before the child understands the words, she will pick up on your efforts to be reasonable and helpful.

    4. Re:Baby emotions by swillden · · Score: 1
      However, it's also important to establish that obedience comes first and explanations are optional, at least at times. Even though we all remember how annoying it was when growing up to be given "Because I said so", as your kids get older you discover that there are a fair number of things which you have learned in the course of your years but of which you cannot convince them. Sometimes it can be important (even life-or-death important) that your children know to obey even without understanding the reasoning.

      That said, be careful. If you don't explain enough, you run the risk of raising robots. If you explain too much, you run the risk of losing control when it's important. If you explain inconsistently (i.e. explain everything when you're in a good mood and nothing when you're pissed off) you can actually do both at the same time. Oh and "the right amount" varies from child to child; what works well with your first will be completely ineffective with the second, third, etc.

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  46. HEY IDIOTS MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guy asked specifically for product advice and against his wishes you genius moderators have instead modded up the stupid geekish parent crap he said he didn't care about. This is the only post here that deals with products specifically. This post also didn't get all high and mighty and lordly like some of the other shmucks getting +5.

  47. Find a birth center by Enry · · Score: 1

    My wife gave birth last thanksgiving morning, so my daughter is now ~4 mos old.

    When she first got preganant, she didn't want to go to an OB/GYN, but instead go to a birth center and be with midwives. I thought it a bit granola at first, but went to the open house to see what they had.

    The place was across the street from the hospital, and they commented on how they can get a mother from the birth center to the delivery room/OR of the hospital in 3 minutes in case there's a problem (like an emergency C-section). The midwives (in MA) are certified. Then they showed us the rooms, which looked more like a bedroom than a delivery room. Then I got to see the "closet of infinite medical gear", which pretty much sealed it for me.

    On the plus side to all this, our HMO paid for everything except the $10/visit copay. The attitude there was a lot nicer than going to a hospital/doctor office. You go in, get the checkup, talk about what's going on, and leave. Almost all our appointments had less than 5 minutes of waiting after we arrived. We didn't get the sense they were trying to rush us out the door to see the next patient.

    Next tip: breast feed. The diapers are less stinky.

    Tip #3: Take as much time off work as you can. I took ~6 wks off and thus did not kill my co-workers (hi Rich) due to lack of sleep.

  48. Sign Language by Darnit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The most important thing I can say that won't help you right now is teach the child sign language. Learn some basic sign language (eat, drink, sleep, ouch). Start at around 6 months. By 9 months they will be able to tell you when they are hungry. This is wonderful and simplifies your life.

    My son is 15 months old and knows eat, shoes, on, and "more" as in more food in sign language. We started him at 12 months. He can only say momma, dadda, hot, look, shoes with his voice, the sign language helps other things. Using sign language and voice he vocally says "shoes" while signing "on". My sister in law is trying to teach him "shiznit" and I'm trying to teach him to say "drunken flirt". In sign we are working on bath, dog, drink, mom, dad, thank you, and milk.

    I recommend the book Sign with Your Baby by Joseph Garcia.

    ISBN Number: 0963622927 for searching

    Amazon.com link Hopefully this one works.

    For all of our shower gifts to our friends and family we get this book. It is so worth it.

  49. Advice from a 3-yr-old Dad by irrelevant · · Score: 1

    First congratulations!

    Help out with early-morning/late-night duties while your wife catches some sleep. I caught up on Sci-Fi I had saved on the Tivo when my son didn't want to sleep.

    If you enjoy doing an activity, do it (within reason, of course). My wife and I like to travel and eat-out. We went out with a 7-day old baby. Not a fine dining experience, but a local restaurant where the atmosphere wouldn't be destroyed by an unhappy baby (he was fine). This way, your child will be used to the experience and will know what to expect from the beginning. We also took him along on a road trip from OH to FL when he was 8 weeks. He's 3 now and travels extremely well in the car.

    Children change. What works one week may not the next.

    Mylicon. Ask for it by name.

    Don't be so busy with your lives that you miss out on your kid's.

    Don't be afraid of going out by yourself with your child. Your wife has the materal instincts but that doesn't mean you can't do it too.

    Others have said it to but it's worth repeating: Great excuse for cameras, camcorders, and other toys.

    Forget about having a neat and tidy home. You'll be able to have nice stuff again in about 18 years. <G>

    You will hear things coming out of your and your wife's mouths that you never thought you would. Pay attention and laugh at these times. A good sense of humor goes a long way.

  50. As a true geek... by Tolomak · · Score: 1

    You can set up a wiki page like these guys did.
    That's really fun and will positively stimulate your "demographic" :)

  51. Examine your finances carefully by linuxwrangler · · Score: 1

    You mention that you are both working long hours. Do a detailed analysis of your post-child finances and compare that with your wants/needs. You may find that having one of you stay home is quite viable.

    I remember watching a show where they had a couple where both parents worked - I think one even had two jobs. They got on that treadmill and didn't think they could stop and still cover their expenses.

    When an expert reviewed the situation they found that she could quit. The IRS was taking a huge chunk of the incremental income and all the extra expenses made necessary by both of them working (more car usage, clothing expense, child care, housekeeping, eating out, etc.) ate what was left.

    The wife on that show broke down in tears - both in joy that she could finally stay home with their kid like she wanted and anger/sadness that they hadn't known that she could have all along.

    This all depends on you and your wife's wants and needs of course. Just don't assume you both have to work to make ends meet.

    Congrats and kudos on getting that little tax-deduction cranked out just before the Dec 31 deadline (you get the deduction for the whole year). I'm hoping my wife and I will be in a similar situation soon so I'm keeping an eye on the advice.

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  52. Adapt without thinking by MrAndrews · · Score: 1

    Even if you know this, you will not do it. But it helps you sometimes when you're really wiped out: nothing in your life will stay constant ever again. Pregnancy changes day to day... sometimes up, sometimes down. Usually a few of those in the same day. Kids are worse, because you want so badly to understand them...

    Example: my younger daughter is now 9 months old. Two weeks ago she would sleep through the night without trouble. Now, suddenly, she wakes up at 2AM and starts screaming and crying for about 30 minutes until she decides that wow, she's tired, and promptly goes back to sleep.
    Now the first time around, if that had happened, it would have rattled me. Is she teething? Is she hurting somewhere? Is she insecure, spontaneously colicky, overtired, over-rested... what could it be?! Really, kids never stay the same for more than a few days. Call them phases if you like, but really it's not that clear anyway. This girl is going to cry from 2 to 2:30 every night until she stops, at which point she'll start walking --- out of the blue, mind you --- and that will quickly be followed by another set of problems.

    If you try and look at parenthood as something you can understand, control, or diagnose, you will get more exhausted than you need to be. Everything will surprise you from this point on, but at the very least don't let your surprise catch you off guard.

  53. A few more tips to add. by cornice · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1 - Learn about pregnancy and child birth. If you are a geek and truly like knowing how things work then this will blow you away. My wife and I took one of the natural child birth classes. She did deliver naturally but that doesn't really matter so much. What was best about it was that we were very well educated and always knew what was happening and what to expect next. This is not the norm. Most couples that I spoke to were completely ignorant and completely scared about child birth.

    2 - Kids like a routine. Think about it. Everything that a young child experiences is new. Their little minds are searching for patterns. Sometime a little routine can go a long way.

    3 - Get sleep when you can. I made the mistake of taking on an extra programming project thinking it would be good since I could do it from home. As a result I worked when our baby slept. I never slept. Sleep deprivation can ruin the great experience of having a baby. Some sleep deprivation is unavoidable but don't let your gaming, programming, surfing habits get in the way of some quality sleep. Oh yea, don't be fooled into thinking you can get much of anything done while your baby is awake. It doesn't work. Focus on the baby or focus on work. You will be much happier and effective that way.

    4 - Exercise. I can't tell you how much it helps to get out and clear your head. Having kids requires a lot of energy. Exercise goes a long way towards cultivating this energy.

    5 - Know that your life will change. Your priorities will change. Some of this will be difficult if you aren't ready for it. If you are a busy person already then you will give something up - maybe a lot. Accept it and move on. It's so worth it but you may not always feel that way.

    6 - Someone before me mentioned the importance of maintaining your marriage. I can't stress this enough. You and your wife have to make time for each other and work hard at appreciating each other. It's all too easy to get totally focused on the baby and forget everything else. You need each other. The baby especially needs you both. Find out what makes your spouse feel happy, loved, romantic, etc. and do it often. You have to work at it - both of you. I have seen way too many friends split up lately because the stress of kids made them loose focus of what is truly important.

  54. Don't Boil the Baby by Chelloveck · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check out The Story About the Baby. The first year of a child's life, as seen by her dysfunctional geek of a father. Not only is it a great introduction for what to expect, it's hilarious as well. Should be at the top of any geek parent's reading list.

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    Chelloveck
    I give up on debugging. From now on, SIGSEGV is a feature.
  55. I have a 4 month old, 1st one.. by malice95 · · Score: 1

    1. Get lots of sleep now..
    2. Pampers are a waste of money.. go with luvs
    3. Walmart has a very nice baby section much
    cheaper then babiesrus.
    4. Do those last minute extreme things you always
    wanted to do.. Like skydive. After the baby is
    born your SO will freak if you do them.
    5. Dont bother starting any big household
    projects.. once the baby is born you wont have
    time to finish any of them. I stripped wall
    paper off my stairs about a month before the
    baby came.. 4 months later I am just getting a
    first coat of paint on it.
    6. Did I mention sleep??
    7. If you are in the habit of taking work home all
    the time.. forget it. Make a point to leave it
    at work if possible. I used to be a total
    workaholic and did geeky projects all night as
    well.. Thats all gone now, but trust me..
    playing with you kid will make everything
    better:)
    8. Try getting the baby on a schedual asap.. It
    might be a lousy one like wake up every 2
    hours for food, but at least it will be
    predictable. My daughter only got up once a
    night after a few weeks, and was sleeping
    through the night by 1 month.
    9. Start saving money now.. all that baby stuff
    costs a bundle.. I think I spent about 3k
    before she came along and about 1k since.
    And that didnt include any hospital bills.
    10. SLEEEEEEEEPPPP! Glorious sleep..

  56. bradley not lamaze by kometes · · Score: 1

    Lamaze is a euphemism for robot training. Take a Bradley course, or at least read "Husband Coached Childbirth." Learn everything you can about childbirth. There is no way you can make informed consent during labor if you are trying to take in new information while your wife is in pain.

    I have three and we did the last one at home. Home is double-plus good. Hospitals cause many of the common complications, like unnecessary C-sections. Hospitals want you to do thing their way, even if that is the wrong way. If your wife has a strong desire to walk around during labor, take off the monitor and walk with her. Don't let the nurses tell you that hospital procedure requires that she be strapped down.

    Get a lactation consultant in early if there are problems. Find one recommended by La Leche League. Breast feeding is so much easier for everybody, Mom included, but it's not easy for some babies to get the hang of it.

    Other posts said it better but your life will change in ways that you cannot imagine. Good luck.

  57. Advice by Ratbert42 · · Score: 1
    • Find a way to work from home, especially during the first year or two. Even if you have to quit or cut back to some part-time contracts.
    • Don't let your wife eat peanuts or other allergenic foods while pregnant or even while breastfeeding, especially if there is a history of food allergies.
    • Breastfeed. You'll have a healthier kid (go ahead and start the flamewars, but I believe it). Plus, daddy doesn't have to get up in the middle of the night to feed the kid.
    • 75% of the crap you'll buy or get as gifts is unnecessary.
    • Buy diapers every chance you get.
    • Hide some diapers and a travel pack of wipes within reach of where you change the kid. Don't tell your wife where they are. Trust me. You'll thank me the first 5 times you discover you're out of diapers or wipes after you get the old diaper off.
    • Stash diapers and wipes in both cars.
    • Don't pick a popular name. Your kid will be the third Jarrod or Ashlyn in their class.
    • Hurry up and start on the next kid before this one reaches the terrible twos.
  58. Buy your wife a gliding rocker by SoCalChris · · Score: 3, Informative

    Buy her a nice glifing rocker chair for those nigths she will be up feeding the baby. Also, get her some sort of a Tivo type thing for when she is up feeding him in the middle of the night and there is nothing on tv.

    If you make a comment to Huggies on their website (Good or bad comment), they will send you a coupon for a free pack of diapers. Also, you will start getting tons of crap in your mail. Look through it, there ar some good coupons in there. We were getting a free coupon each month for Carnation formula from a magazine we had gotten signed up for.

    Finally, formula smells bad. For the first several months of their life, your baby's formula will smell worse than their crap. Trust me on this one. The faintest whiff of formula just turns my stomache now.

    Most of all, just have fun! Enjoy your baby the first few days when all he does is sleep (It won't last long!). Make sure your wife gets plenty of rest, she'll need it the first several months.

    Enjoy your baby!

    Chris - Father of a 9 month old boy

  59. Take time for/with your family by jgardn · · Score: 1

    I just had my second yesterday. I am trying to remember what life was like before the first, and I can't remember all the ways I had to change to adapt.

    This sounds pretty basic, but it is more important than you think. Take time to be with your wife. She is going to go through an emotional roller-coaster ride and she needs you around to support her. If you can, go to the doctor visits with you and try to be as familiar with what she is going through as you can.

    Also, after the baby is born, you have to come home after work and let her rest. She will be working with the baby 24x7 and every moment where someone else is watching the baby is a break for her.

    If you get along with your parents or her parents pretty good, consider inviting them over to live with you for the first few months if it isn't too much of a problem. Having an extra hand and the extra experience is invaluable for both of you. I can't imagine raising the first baby through the first few months without my mother-in-law to tell us what is normal and how to deal with it.

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  60. Flexible work hours by CharlieG · · Score: 1

    For years, everyone seems to have thought that flexible means how late can I come in, and how late can I stay

    My wife and I went the other way, she goes in "later" (she gets to work at 9:00), and I go in early, and leave early - I'm in at work before 7:30am, so I get home first. We did it this way because I'm the cook in the family

    BTW Congrats - it's a trip

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  61. Wow, so much parenting advice on Slashdot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never would have thunk it. How did you guys get those chicks to marry you anyway, leave alone to have sex. Is there a HOWTO?

  62. Re: 3 minutes is still too far away for a surgeon by avi33 · · Score: 1

    they can get a mother from the birth center to the delivery room/OR of the hospital in 3 minutes in case there's a problem (like an emergency C-section).

    Try holding your breath for 3 minutes.

    Try it, then see how long it takes your psuedo-medical team has to get the doctor up to speed as to what's happening, what's been done, and to figure out what to do next.

    60 seconds without oxygen is enough to cause brain damage in a newborn. An accomplished OB/GYN can do a c-section in 10 seconds if necessary.

    Don't get me wrong, I know that most deliveries can be done without any doctor intervention whatsoever, and up until the last few years, most medical birthing techniques actually interfere with the natural process. BUT when things don't go to plan (and depending on what stats you read, that can be about 20% of the time, esp. for 1st time moms) you need a doctor, and you don't need one across the street.

    Part of the reason that ob/gyn malpractice insurance is so high is due to people who rush into emergency rooms after trying home births (granted, not what you're talking about here). A doctor has never seen you, never seen your ultrasound, doesn't even know your blood type or allergies, and are expected to rescue the situation.

    Science is a good thing people. If you live within driving distance of a city, you should be able to find a birthing center that has midwives, doulas, AND doctors all under the same roof. Anyone that doesn't probably isn't responsible enough to be running a birthing center anyway.

  63. Lucky rich kids... by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

    >I wouldn't worry much about that. I don't expect LOAD "*", 8, 1

    Dang. You were the guy I used to envy. At my house it was LOAD "*", 1, 1 and then go off to make myself a drink while it loaded.

    -:-

    Be as open, eager, and fast to recognizing your child's successes as you are to noticing, catching, and punishing his failures / wrongdoings. When the report card comes home with five A's and a B, think before you ask 'Why did you get a B?'

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    Glonoinha the MebiByte Slayer
    1. Re:Lucky rich kids... by Jerf · · Score: 1

      Well, don't be TOO envious... that C=64 was the only thing I had (other then the intellivision) through the nintendo era, the genesis era, and the super nintendo era, until my Dad finally broke down and got a 486/33MHz when I was IIRC either in high school or late middle school. In hindsight that sounds like fine pacing, but at the time... >;-)

      Also, when I got the C=64 it was late enough into the cycle that tape drives were effectively dead; I certainly didn't get it in '82 when it was released because I was 4 then; probably more like '84 or '85.

      (The only regret I have in hindsight is not getting more documentation on the machine code for the C=64; I had the Fastload cartridge which had an assembler on it but I had no clue what to do with it. I suspect that if I had had documentation I might have been one of those wierd assembly-writing kids. On the other hand, I probably would have picked up even more bad habits then BASIC gave me, so maybe it wasn't all bad...)

  64. Everything you know is wrong by dacarr · · Score: 1
    Not being a parent, but having talked with many friends who are parents, I will give you the sage advice that I have found was unanimously agreed upon:

    Take every bit of advice about raising children you ever read in books and completely forget it.

    God forbid you neglect and abuse them, but the "parent method" books don't seem to work for a lot of parents (scheduling feedings around the mom?!) because kids aren't necessarily wired the way shrinks want them to be raised.

    Don't ever let somebody convince you that your child needs Ritalin. Ritalin is evil and will destroy your child.

    Try and do private school - or even better, home school.

    Lose the second income. Somebody needs to play "mom". Even better is do work from home if possible. Adam@home, anybody?

    And since we're on working at home, the kid will want you to know what s/he's into (you know that excited babbling that kidlings go into when they get inside from playing?), they want to know what you're doing. If you code in C, teach him C. If you speak TCP/IP, teach him zen and the art of Internet Protocol. Yes, it's a little old fashioned and traditional to pass the trade down to the next generation, but it's a good way to bond.

    Most importantly, love and cherish that child like they were an extension of you. Frankly, that's exactly what they are - half you and half her.

    Good luck and congratulations.

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    This sig no verb.
  65. Random thoughts by Deagol · · Score: 1
    Congrats on the pending offspring!

    Firstly, you and your wife must decide in advance the following: 1) Natural birth or with pain killers (drugs, epidural, etc.); 2) To snip or not snip if it's a boy (we opted to not circumsize, as it's not required) and don't let your doctor give you shit either way; 3) To snip her or not (the episiotomy). Getting these medical questions settled beforehand will ease the stress during the thick of things.

    Go out and buy yourself a copy of The Complete Tightwad Gazette. It'll be the best $13 you ever spend. Don't let the title scare you -- in addition to providing novel ideas on how to save money (my wife and I are frugal blackbelts), there's a lot of stuff dealing with children (the author had six).

    Accept the fact that your lives will suck at some level until 18 years after the birth of your last child. Most will be due to money (diapers and wipes are a horrible money sink), time (once they hit school age, you've lost 9 months of vacation opportunities), and/or stress (why won't he stop screaming?!?). Life will suck, in some form, for a long while. The degrees will vary, but it will be constant. But it's unavoidable. :) Don't judge me on this assertion -- I wouldn't change having kids (4-yo boy, 7-yo girl) for anything. I'm just pragmatic about parenthood. There are some things that are simply better about life when childless.

    On the flip-side, always remember that there will be joys introduced into your life that you cannot even fathom right now. I cannot provide examples, as they differ for each kid and each parent. These joys will more than compensate for the rough road ahead.

    Until my son was born (the wife and daughter were a package deal), I was all for both parents working. Having seen both kids in and out of daycare, I have to admit that I feel that at least one parent should stay at home at least until all kids reach first grade. They are much better off without the influence of other neglected kids often found at daycare (this is from observation).

    Avoid letting the kids get sucked into TV. Personally, the only thing we now watch as a family is the occasional rental or ST:TNG on DVD (the series). We get 2 fuzzy channels that we don't ever watch (not cable or dish). You and the kids have much more time to do other things. Trust me on this. Don't let the tube be a babysitter!

    Get the kids hooked on healthy food early in life. My kids don't get boxed cereal -- oatmeal, porridge (cooked steel-cut oats), and cracked wheat are our cereals. We all drink water instead of juices and sodas. We eat a ton of whole foods, and rarely ever buy pre-packaged/prepared foods. I'm appalled at the quality of the foods in public schools -- our daughter takes her lunches 95% of the time (and she complains about the food when she doesn't).

    Keep the kids on the teat as long a possible. This should be self-explanatory. Formula (and the companies that make it) is evil, as well as expensinve.

    Shun antibiotics unless really necessary. Our kids have yet to need them.

    Make sure your wife stays fit during the entire pregnancy. My wife did some yoga and we took a brisk walk nearly every day. She popped out our son effortlessly, without any anesthetic, went grocery shopping with me the next day, and she healed very fast (wink-wink, nudge-nudge).

    You're in for a great time!

    Now is where I risk a negative moderation... We stopped at two (only enough to replace us both), and got fixed. While I attempt to not pass judgement on families with tons of kids, I urge all prospective parents to think about why they may want to have more than a few children. I live in small, rural town in the heart of Mormon country. LDS families are typically very large. I cannot believe how (to be polite) un-tamed most kids are where we live, and most are from large (geater than 3 kids) families. Yes, this is

    1. Re:Random thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "(wink-wink, nudge-nudge)"
      You're an idiot.

    2. Re:Random thoughts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Summary: I'm a granola nazi, and you should all live like me.

      Answer: Bugger off, mate.

  66. Humans require parents by aminorex · · Score: 1

    If you and your wife are both working outside of the home,
    or too engaged with work to parent effectively, you should
    hire a full-time nanny. The nanny should be a long-term
    position, lasting at least through first grade, not a revolving
    door job. The nanny will be your child's actual parent.
    You will be a roommate.

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    -I like my women like I like my tea: green-
  67. Baby proof your computer! by SoCalChris · · Score: 1

    One more thing... You need to baby proof your computer!

    You won't need to do this before they are crawling, but you should so you don't have to worry about it later.

    Make sure all of the cables behind/under your desk are out of baby's reach or secured. Little boys in particular are fascinated by cables, and they will pull on them and chew on them. You don't want our infant pulling the power cable out of the back of your computer and then chewing on it.

    If your computer is somewhere that your baby can get to the front of it, either move it or buy a case with a locking door over the buttons and drive bays. My son LOVES pressing buttons. He especially likes the power and reset buttons while you are working. The CD Drive open buttons are also one of his favorite buttons to push. He will push them and try to play with the CD tray. If you have an expensive burner, he can and will quickly destroy it. He can also hurt himself on it if it closes while his hands are in it.

  68. Preventative measures by pcs305 · · Score: 1
    Just a couple of things :

    Invest in a wireless lan setup.

    Ducktape all pc buttons and switches.

    Minimise crawl space behind desk.

    Get drool proof keyboard.

    Mount all phones at least 4 feet high on wall.

    Install toilet seat lock.

    Try and hide all and any wires.

    Get a remote controle for baby, and hide yours.

    There is a lot more but you have to find out some stuff by yourself buddy otherwise where is the fun eh?

  69. Already lots of good advice by Nate237 · · Score: 1

    Here's my short addition:

    1. Remember that your little ones are little only once. That program or script your banging out, as important as it is to you, can wait. The time you spend with your kids is worth so much more.

    2. As a parent, you won't be perfect. In fact the perfect parent doesn't exist. Just follow your heart and do what you think is best for your family, and you'll do fine.

    Congrats! Get ready, your life is about to change...

  70. Teach your children sign. by Eneff · · Score: 1

    First, start learning basic sign language now.

    Then, sign while you speak to the child. The child's primary block to communication is learning how to make the sounds.

    The child won't be able to do the signs precisely, but you'll have communication earlier and it won't slow down the vocalization.

    (My uncle had success with this method.)

  71. Score +5 for PICTURES! by TBone · · Score: 1

    Buy a digital camera now. Learn to use it. We bought a CoolPix 2500 the month before the baby got here. 2MP, about $180, images up to 1600x1200, flawless reprints up to about 8x10. Buy 2 additional memory cards for it, too. We have a 128M card, and it holds 273 pictures at 1600x1200, high-quality mode. Drop it to 1280x1024, and it jumps to over 500. You can probably get away with 64M cards for a 2MP camera. Photo Printer. Epson Stylus is nice, but the color cartridge is one cart for all 6 colors. Just get one that prints photo-quality. Go to Besy Buy or something and hit all the demo buttons. Then, when Grandma visits, you can take a picture of her and the baby, pull it off the camera, and print it right there before she leaves. Find a hosting site to put Gallery or something on. Figure out the best way to get your pictures from your camera into it with the least fuss, realizing you will have no more than about an hour at a time in the first 3 months to work on the pictures. Buy a decent photo program. Not Photoshop or a professional graphics program, but an actual digital photography editor/organizer. I have Roxio PhotoSomethingSomething, was about 40-50 bucks at CompUSA. Does all the red-eye, organizing, etc etc. Does PhotoMosaics. Does printer layouts, where you select a page of, say, "2 3x5, 4 wallet", then drag pictures onto the page, and create a single page of pictures to print. You don't have to have the $100 versions of, say, Adobe Photo Elements or stuff, but don't skimp and buy the $14.99 "WalMart Photo Editing Program with Free Cheese".

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  72. Not a month or two by barzok · · Score: 1

    Depending on the circumstances, the doctor may advise waiting much longer - perhaps even a year.

    1. Re:Not a month or two by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Depending on the circumstances, the doctor may advise waiting much longer - perhaps even a year.

      Hmm, I don't know the circumstances that resulted in such advice. But after my wife's first pregnancy (that ended in miscarriage and a follow-up D&C) we were told we could could start trying after her second period following the miscarriage. Well the first conception had taken 14 months, the second one only the first cycle of trying and the result was our beautiful daughter.

      We recently starting trying to conceive a sibling for our daughter. This time we were "lucky" the first time we "tried" but again this pregnancy ended with a non-viable fetus after about the 9th week(*). My wife chose not to go through with the D&C and we weren't given any specific instruction about waiting to try again - so we expect to try again in the cycle that starts with her second period following the miscarriage.


      * I agree with #1 in the initial post in this thread that you should definately wait - if your wife is due in November it is still WAYYY too early - before telling anyone but your parents and maybe your wife's sister/best friend (the people you will need to rely on for emtional support should the pregnancy end in miscarriage) about the pregnancy. And if there is a miscarriage, don't be squeemish about seeking counseling if you think you will benefit from it. I can't imagine a miscarriage is anywhere near as painful emotionally as losing a healthy child, but to me they seemed comparable to the death of a close friend.

  73. Good chair... by jkidd · · Score: 1

    My first suggestion is to get a good chair. A nice rocker recliner, Lazy Boy preffered. Both my wife and I spent many a nights rocking and sleeping in the recliner when out little one couldn't sleep. Along that same point, never let you little one sleep in your bed. You will never get them out. I know people that started leting the little sleep in their bed, now at three the little one still sleeps with them.

  74. You're not alone by The+AtomicPunk · · Score: 1

    I'm in the same two-income long-hours first-child-on-the-way (July 8th) boat as you are.

    She's going to cut back, and I'm going to telecommute the days she works, and we'll figure out the rest from there. :)

  75. Hey Chrys - I'd love to talk to your wife... by Bean · · Score: 1

    I'm also a pregnant geek expecting our first child, due in october, I'd love to comiserate with her, I don't know any other geek girls that are knocked up currently :) Have her e-mail me at bean.at.freebsd.dot.org ;)

    ~Bean

  76. some thoughts from a misanthrope by slaker · · Score: 1

    For the sake of those of us who don't like children and have had the good sense to remain childless, I'd like to suggest a largish cage, a shock collar and a cattle prod.

    Some little brat pissed on my shoe yesterday in Borders... and his brood mar... mother (carrying an infant and pregnant - showing, again) stood right next to me PRAISING HIM FOR PULLING DOWN HIS PANTS IN PUBLIC. Bitch didn't even apologize. To anyone.

    Not that I'm bitter.

    OK, now I'm going to make a more rational statement: Stay involved in your kid's life. I don't care how much you come to hate mom in the years to come. I don't care how important your job is to you. Fuck that. You are responsible for another human being, one who depends on you for all the nuturing and comfort you can give. It isn't mom's job to take care of the thing 16 or 20 hours a day, and if you're to the point where you feel proud of the one time in a day you changed a diaper, you aren't involved enough. Be involved. From my observations, kids with parents who are involved in their lives are a lot happier (and usually docile. See rant above) than kis without.
    I volunteer at a boys & girls club. A couple of times in my life, I've had to say those exact words to a 14-year-old who is about to be a "father". If you're from a happy home, maybe this is going to sound redundant as all hell, maybe even stupid.

    Also, read out loud to your kids. Don't stop when they turn three. Turn off the TV/babysitter and read to them until they're old enough to read everything on the shelf themselves. My father - the one thing my dad did right - read my brother and I "Swiss Family Robinson", "Don Quixote", "Man in the Iron Mask", "Charlotte's Web", all the Tolkien books... I have no fonder memories from my childhood than sitting on the floor listening to those stories.

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  77. have a peanut butter sandwich NOW! by cbcbcb · · Score: 1

    Eat a peanut butter sandwich, because after you've changed a nappy, you'll never look at one in the same light again

  78. RUN! by MacGod · · Score: 1
    Oh dear god, run like hell!

    See this article for more info.

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    "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one " -Albert Einstein
  79. Have Sex with your wife now! by ddriver · · Score: 1

    You might not have energy to do that for the next few years!

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    I found my inner child, then I got caught abusing it...
    1. Re:Have Sex with your wife now! by unitron · · Score: 1

      Even if you have the energy, you won't have the time or the privacy.

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      I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

  80. One word: breastfeed by Fished · · Score: 5, Informative
    I've already posted here, but one of those many things I'd forgotten came to my attention: don't even think about bottle feeding. No, I'm serious. Don't.

    Here's a few reasons why:

    1. Breast is best. No, really, it is. Even the formula companies, in their advertisements, have to admit that breast feeding is by far the best thing for your kids. Breast-fed babies get sick a lot less (I have twin two-year olds that have only been sick with colds/ear infections twice -- bottle-fed babies seem sick all the time, especially if they are in day care.) There's also conclusive evidence that breast-fed babies are more emotionally stable, and some reason to be that they are on average smarter. Also, there are a few chronic diseases (such as Krohn's disease) that breast-fed children just don't get. These last for a lifetime.
    2. Breast is easiest. Visualize a two AM feeding. Now, at one two-AM feeding, you have to go downstairs, get out the formula, find a bottle, clean a bottle (if your house is like mine), warm a bottle, hold the bottle while the baby eats, burb the baby, clean up where the baby spit up all over you because bottle-fed babies puke more, and finally, an hour later, go back to bed. Don't forget that the baby is screaming the whole time cause he has colic because you're bottle-feeding. At the other two-AM feeding, you get the baby out their crib, walk her to the bed, where your naked wife sleepily takes the baby in her arms and feeds her. The baby barely wakes up, and the mother barely wakes up, and you are back in bed in less than five minutes. You can then, 15 minutes later, return the baby to the crib if you must, but it's really not a big deal.
    3. You will be denying income to some seriously evil corporations that do things like giving free samples of formula to third-world mothers, then letting the babies starve when the samples run out and the third-world people can't afford more.
    4. Your pediatrician will thank you. (None of your other doctors will care, but your pediatrician will.)
    5. Your wife will tend to lose baby weight much more quickly. Also, Breast-feeding produces a hormone that contracts muscles in the lower abdomen stretched by pregnancy. Short form - yum.
    6. Did I mention that the pregnancy breasts stick around longer? Yum.
    7. Breast milk is tasty, especially warm. yum.
    8. Breast-milk comes in shapely, reusable containers.
    9. Formula is *expensive*.
    If it's so good, why don't more people do it?
    1. In the 20's and 30's, it was stylish not to breast feed. Breast-feeding was considered low-class.
    2. There was some serious hubris starting in the thirties that said that we could out-do nature and that breast milk was better for the baby. This is conclusively disproved.
    3. Silly victorian body modesty.
    4. Grandma bottle-fed, and is libel to be offended if you tell her that what she did wasn't best. People get seriously offended about this. Tell 'em to go to hell.
    5. Did I mention that the formula companies spend a lot on advertising? Seriously, when you go the hospital, even if you're breast-feeding, you will be baraged with promotional junk provided by the formula companies. If you do not have a good pediatrician, you will get it there too.
    6. Formula is free at first. Kind of like cocaine.
    7. Breast-feeding *hurts* for the first week or so. This can't be denied. Trust me: it does get better.
    Anyway, there's my rant. This is based on four children worth of experience, breast and bottle fed.
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    1. Re:One word: breastfeed by Mandomania · · Score: 1

      Amen. My wife breastfed our son, but when we started to ween him we started adding some formula bottles into the mix. Good Lord. I've never seen or smelled anything more foul than baby-digested formula. And it did horrible things to hid digestive system. His stomach hurt (or so it seemed), he was hella-gassy, etc.

      He did ween quick, tho :-).

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      Mando

    2. Re:One word: breastfeed by hal9k · · Score: 1

      Umm.. He's a guy. I have a terrible picture (a la family guy) in my head. Ugghhhh....

    3. Re:One word: breastfeed by Kalak · · Score: 1

      However don't you or your wife get too worked up if Breast Feeding doesn't work. It just won't work for some. My wife tried hard to breast feed and I supported her (and support anyone doing this), but it just didn't happen. Turns out that most of the women on her side of the family have been unsuccessful at this. My kids had to be fed formula. (You think regular formula stinks, try Nutramogen. I'll never smell potato chips agin without retching.)

      While formula is new, and breast feeding is the best food your baby can ever have, before formula there were wet nurses, and that was around probaby as long as there have been kids to feed. Do what works for you (plural, mainly your wife) and your baby. Don't spend too much time feeling guilty - your baby will make as many mistakes in life as you will, it's part of babies growing into adults and adults growing into parents.

      BTW, ask your extended families now about their experiences, before they start giving advice. If my wife knew 1/3 of the medical history she found out after getting pregnant, we would have been a lot better prepared for the pregnancies and these last few years.

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    4. Re:One word: breastfeed by Basselope · · Score: 1
      One nitpick:

      Also, there are a few chronic diseases (such as Krohn's disease) that breast-fed children just don't get.

      My brother has Crohn's Disease (I assume this is what you meant - Googling seems to support this). He was, however breastfed. The risk may be greatly reduced, but it's still non-zero. Some stuff just happens, I guess.

    5. Re:One word: breastfeed by jackb_guppy · · Score: 1

      Ageed -

      The 2AM feedomg are nice, when your wife just reaches over and pulls the kid in and both go back to sleep happy.

    6. Re:One word: breastfeed by Hanno · · Score: 1

      Breast-feeding *hurts* for the first week or so. This can't be denied. Trust me: it does get better.

      A friend's wife was all gung-ho on all the "breast is best" advice, and is a quite insecure person to start with, so she gobbled up all the "good advice" about being the "perfect mother" during her pregnancy. Rarely have I seen a young mother with more books about pregancy than her.

      When the kid arrived, she had massive pain when she tried breast-feeding and for her, it did not get better.

      She started feeling a massive guilt because she thought that she wouldn't be a "good mother" for her child since she could not give her kid the "best" initial food to grow up.

      She ended up having depressions about this issue. Since everyone around her told her that only breast-feeding is good and everything else is basically chemical warfare against your child.

      Bullshit, I say. If you realize you can't breast-feed for whatever reason, don't let that put you down and find another solution (including formula).

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    7. Re:One word: breastfeed by Maria+D · · Score: 1

      If you realize you are in pain, FIND A BREASTFEEDING CONSULTANT. Some pain in the first week is expected, but... If the pain is strong, or if it lasts - the baby may be holding the nipple in the wrong way. So many things about breastfeeding can be fixed if they go wrong, but you have to know what you are doing. Unfortunately, not many girls and young women get to see trully experienced women breastfeeding, since it is considered private. Hence, girls do not learn how to do it. Breastfeeding is a social act and a learned skill, it is not completely instincive... So, if something does not work - try a La Leche League specialist.

    8. Re:One word: breastfeed by axjms · · Score: 1

      In response to the idea that breast fed babies are smarter; it is a fairly well understood fact that breast fed babies have an average 10+ IQ advantage over their formula fed peers. One of the factors are more omega-3 fatty acids (especially DHA) that are essential for neural and optical development. You don't have to take my word for it though. A quick pubmed search would bring up tons of journal articles supporting my position.

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    9. Re:One word: breastfeed by Fished · · Score: 1
      First, I ahve to agree with the post in reply to your post: if breastfeeding continues to hurt greatly, that is a medical issue, and you should see the appropriate doctor. With our first breast-fed child, my wife had some serious pain. She went to the family doctor three times, and was given a bunch of bs that boiled down to "why don't you just ween the kid, granola freak." (We have since fired that doctor.) We told our pediatrician about this, she took one look at my wife's breast, then said "you have a yeast infection in your milk duct. I can't write a script for you because my insurance company will scream, but go to the drugstore and put some monistat on it. If this doesn't fix it, call me and we'll get you a better doctor." It fixed it.

      In agreement with the previous post, it's a good idea to find a good nursing consultant. However, these are hard to find. Especially, make damn sure your pediatrician agrees with your views, or you will be up the proverbial creek. (It is unlikely that your family doctor or ob will be much help.)

      As far as depression: as someone who knows a bit about depression (pastoring and general experience, including my wife) I can tell you that to talk about some breast-feeding guilt-trip or any other non-organic cause "causing" depression in a new mother is just dumb. It is clearly established that women are vulnerable to post-partum depression for several weeks after birth, and this depression once started can continue for months. It is most unlikely that breast-feeding would cause or make this work - it's just a focus for an otherwise endogenous depression.

      Opinions vary, but I believe that prozac is your friend. If a woman is depressed, prozac or another SSRI is much more likely to fix the problem than not breast-feeding. In fact, breast-feeding itself releases a variety of feel-good hormones. (This opinion, if you think about it, is enough to show you that I'm not just some bangladesh granola head. I really do think that medicine and chemicals have their place - I just don't think formula should be used except in extreme circumstances. For example, if the mother is a crack addict, use formula -- and that is not a hypothetical example. (Being in the ministry sucks sometimes.))

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  81. w/ regards to Baby Formula by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 1


    Read about the benefits of breastfeeding. Print it out and give it to your wife and have a serious talk about it. It's hard for us guys to believe, but those breasts weren't put there for us.

    There are many non-trivial benefits to breastfeeding. Unless the mother is physically unable to nurse, the ONLY benefit to formula feeding is convenience.

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    1. Re:w/ regards to Baby Formula by belroth · · Score: 1
      There's an old joke:
      Q. Why are breasts like a train set?
      A. They're made for kids but mostly played with by their fathers.

      Talking of feeding - if the mother is at home full time breast feeding is more convenient than bottle and healthier too.
      That is except for the misery that most breast feeding mothers go through with
      A. Cracked nipples (lanolin may help)
      B. Teething. You don't want to think about it.
      I remember my wife crying with the agony of cracked nipples - be very, very sympathetic and supportive, if it wasn't for the health benefits she definitely would have stopped. As it was we tried a breast pump for a bit but it never really worked very well. YMMV.

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    2. Re:w/ regards to Baby Formula by Maria+D · · Score: 1

      On the brighter side, in just a month or two on the first baby, shorter on next kids, most problems with breasts such as cracked nipples and leaks are gone! Then breastfeeding can go on for a long time. It is great for coping with "terrible twos" and such! There are many, many nights and car trips and other occasions when a cry of a cranky baby (one of the most horrible sounds you will ever hear!) turns into the quiet of nursing...

  82. Knowldege by msheppard · · Score: 1

    Wrote this list when my first was about 6 months old. She's 2.67yr now, and we've got a 3 wk old as well.
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    Things M@ has figured out

    1: Sometimes there is no reason
    2: See #1
    3: No matter how ridiculous it seems, Mommy is always right
    4: Changing very messy baby, alone, makes the phone ring
    5: No pictures during breast feeding
    6: It generally takes 20-30 laps around the house to get the baby to sleep, however: See #1
    7: Maximum cuteness is generally achieved by putting down the camera
    8: Swaddling will not endure without duct tape
    9: Bring "X" diapers anywhere and you will need "X+1" diapers Applies to everything. Bring 2 'emergency' outfits and you will need 3.
    10: "Do you want ME to change the diaper?" is a stupid question
    11: Sometimes there is nothing you can do, but you damn well better try harder
    12: Checklist for diaper change:
    -New Diaper open and ready for application
    -Diaper-Jeanie open and not full (diaper pail)
    -Baby Wipe Ready ...Forget one of these and you will end up with one hand holding a baby and the other covered in ****
    13. Do not wake sleeping baby
    14. Epicach is not needed to make a baby throw up, just put on a nice shirt
    15. The audio characteristics of baby crying:
    a. Cancels all other sounds
    b. Produces Sweating
    c. Is perceived as cute to the uninitiated
    d. Have nothing to do with what is actually bothering the baby
    16. You may own a thousand outfits, of every size and color, but at 2am there will be nothing to put on the baby
    17. A baby does not care what she is wearing. If we could all just agree that a baby looks cute in a mu-mu then the world of parenting would be a much a happier place.
    18. Baby arms disappear when you put a shirt over her head
    19. Any action may cause the baby to smile... and...
    20. It's all worth one smile

    M@

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    1. Re:Knowldege by unitron · · Score: 1
      "She's 2.67yr now..."

      Only a true geek...:-)

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  83. Different Type Advice by Patman · · Score: 1
    My advice to parents:


    1. Don't become a one-note person. Your child shouldn't be the all-encompassing focus of your life.


    2. Remember that your child is not the center of the universe. It may be important to *you*, but don't be surprised if the rest of us don't feel the same way.


    3. Don't forget about your non-childed friends.


    4. Remeber that not all folks are going to find every detail of your child's growth fascinating.


    It's important not to lose yourself in the kid. Be yourself and a parent.

    1. Re:Different Type Advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, we have a visitor from the "I'm single, childless and like it that way" school, do we?

      Tip: Sod off, you're not welcome here.

    2. Re:Different Type Advice by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

      Do you feel proud of yourself now? Do you think your a better parent for having made such a comment?

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  84. Breastfeeding by MImeKillEr · · Score: 1

    Make sure the kiddo is latching correctly. My son wasn't and it wasn't until the 3rd lactation consultant that my wife was informed of a little procedure to snip the thing under the tounge (frenule?) that would allow him to latch properly. After that, he put on weight like he should've been doing.

    This, and circumcision is evil.

    You might also want to check out 'Raising a Son' and/or 'Raising a Daughter' at your local bookstore. I can't recall the authors, but Google it or check Amazon.

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  85. Why does he need help again? by cybermace5 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Due to fact that he is actually going to be a father, he has already gotten a few more things right than the average Slashdot reader.

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  86. Congratulations! by Judebert · · Score: 1

    Okay, I'm a father of three girls, aged 8, 5, and 6 months (oh, what I'm in for). Everyone thinks they're perfect angels, except me. And it's too late for me to get modded up, so you know this is advice from the heart.

    As far a the pregnancy goes, we went with natural births at a birth center. It was a lot less stressful than the hospital, as evidenced by my sister's experience. And I've written a nice Palm program to help you with the labor; just Google for Palm Contraction Timer.

    There are two things to know about after the birth that no one will tell you: First, you will be become a pack mule. There's a lot of stuff to carry in those diaper bags. Second, very young kids can sleep through anything. Our first slept through Batman (the movie) at two days of age. We knocked down a wall in the same room as the second, and she never even rolled over.

    Finally, breastfeeding and a family bed is a beautiful thing. The kids will eventually sleep in their own beds; meanwhile co-sleeping is extremely convenient, and sex can be had anywhere.

    Okay, now for the hard part.

    We made up jobs for everybody. The parents' job are, in order:

    1) Keep kids safe.
    2) Teach kids how to be a part of civilization.
    3) Make kids happy.

    The kids' jobs are, in order:

    1) Hurt no one.
    2) Obey parents.
    3) Have fun.

    Unfortunately, they learn almost exclusively by example. No matter what I say, they do what they've seen me (or whoever they're paying attention to at their age) do. Here are the things you'll want to do, so you know they'll be doing them, too:

    1) Never interrupt anyone.
    2) Take responsibility for your actions.
    3) Don't make a big deal about other people's mistakes.
    4) Do ensure that all mistakes are retified as much as possible.
    5) Never, ever, under any circumstances, pretend that hurting somene is justified.
    6) Use some consistent conflict resolution method. Actually use it yourself, even though it seems childish.
    7) Actually look in your child's eyes while she speaks with you. Not only does it let them know you're listening, it gives the impression you're interested. And they'll look at you while you talk.

    Actually, 7) was a trial with the youngest. I would squat down so I could watch her talk, and she would squat in front of me, emulating my posture. Funny, but occasionally counterproductive.

    In conclusion, here are the most useful tools I have in my parenting toolbox:

    "When you <x>, I feel <y>, because <z>."

    "Can you please <x>? Will you please <x>? Thank you."

    "Stop, I don't like that. <pause> If you don't stop, I'll tell Mom. <pause> <I tell Mom>."

    And Natural Consequences: when something would be inconvenient, but not actually dangerous, I tell them what could happen. If they insist on doing it anyway, I warn them that I won't help them when the Natural Consequence of their actions occurs. Usually this is sufficient to stop them; if not, I let them suffer. They seldom insist on doing things they shouldn't, and when they do, it's because they've decided it's worth it.

    Good luck. Enjoy her while she's a baby, cuz it gets tough later on. I'm looking forward to the teenage years with anticipation and fear.

    Judebert

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  87. Avoid nut oils and night lights by quintessent · · Score: 1

    I read about a recent study that linked nut oils, which are used in some baby products, to the development of nut allergies later in life.

    Also, I read about a study that linked night lights to the development of near-sightedness later in life.

    Both of these need follow-up studies to confirm the results, so YMMV.

  88. Some of my own thoughts by phlack · · Score: 1

    Having two kids (one just a month ago) I've learned a few things.

    1) Definitely the TiVo! I don't know how I'd watch anything without it.
    2) Garage Sales are your friend. You can get some very cheap clothing there. Babies grow out of things so fast, it isn't worth buying new stuff. Toys and stuff: same thing. The kid isn't going to know (or care) if it's new or used.
    2a) Do NOT buy items like car seats or strollers at garage sales, unless you know they are still new, and haven't been recalled. You'd be amazed how often these things are recalled. Check the companies' web sites for recall notices.
    3) Breastfeed if possible. Cheaper, and better for the baby.
    4) But formula at night...takes baby a little longer to digest, thus giving you an extra hour or so to sleep. Also try to keep baby up right before you go to sleep (you'll find your sleep schedule will depend on baby, though), so it will sleep longer. This has worked wonders with both my kids. 1 month old, and almost 6 hours at a shot now!
    5) When having a baby shower thrown, ask people not to only get you newborn outfits. Baby will outgrow them instantly, and you'll have stuff you'll never have worn.
    6) You'll still need to bottle feed. Have lots of bottles & nipples handy...you go through them fast.
    7) Walmart has nice cheap baby stuff. Do shop around, and check out your local warehouse club (like Sams); they tend to have good prices on diapers & formula.
    8) Don't grab baby the instant it cries. Maybe initially, but don't get it used to it. Otherwise he/she will develop the idea that "I cry, I get attention". The kid will need to deal with the situation. Half the time, baby will go back to sleep anyway. (Moms have a tougher time with this than dads, obviously!)
    9) Don't plan on having much of a social life. BUT do attempt to get to know couples that have a kid around the same age. If your place of residence has a community playground, that's an excellent place to meet other parents. Join (or form) playgroups. Sometimes you'll find ads in the newspaper (or community newsletter). You'll have people in your same situation, and your kids will have new friends when they get a little older, since they'll be used to them.
    9a) This also helps with baby-swapping. You watch their kid, they watch yours when you want a night out. MUCH CHEAPER than hiring a babysitter. Sometimes churches organize these officially, but you can do it on your own with the new people you meet.

    I think everything else is covered by others. Congrats, and good luck!
    -Phlack

  89. Work/Life balance by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 1
    First - Talk w/ your manager - especially if they have kids of their own and express concern.

    Second - Make sure you have the ability to work from home. I found that I was going home at the crack of 5 PM, spending the evening w/ my daughter, then working from home for a couple of hours after she went to bed. This got me my 10 hour day, play with my daughter, and reduced stress

    Third - Make sure you are at work when you are at work, and at home when you are at home. In other words, spend time with your child when she is young, it will never happen again (ok, you could have another baby, but that is child #2)

    Fourth - I wish I had bought my digital camera before she was born, so get one, setup a website, get the grandparents on the web/e-mail - Use your geek talents to make this better for everyone

    Fifth - Save your vacation, make sure and take PLENTY of vacation around the birth of your child, as much as you can, borrow from next year if your boss will let you. Fortunately my wife didn't have to have a C-section, but if it happens your wife can be out of commission for a month or more recovering from abdominal surgury.

    Sixth - Ignore all of us, we aren't you... Everyone has different ways of raising kids, most of us turned out Ok, most of our kids will too

    Congratulation

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  90. you can't be too far away from a surgeon by araven · · Score: 1

    Actually, during my recent pregnancy, I read as much medical literature as I could get my hands on. I read pro and anti midwife opinion pieces. I read statistics. I looked at our state's statistics on things like use of drugs during labor, C-Section rate, episiotomy rates, use of monitors during labor, restriction of food/drink during labor. Then I looked over all of the childbirth class options available to me. I chose the Bradley method. I highly recommend it.

    I started with midwives (not lay midwives) and had to leave because they decided I was gestationally diabetic. So at 32 weeks, I had to go to the Family Practice the midwives associated with. Switching was beyond stressful. Imagine my disgust to find that the medical research on gestational diabetes is so fundamentally flawed that the medical community does not even have BASELINE information about what constitutes normal blood sugar during pregnancy. Nice and scientific. As a geek, I was mortally offended by the MD who told me to take insulin, without once looking at the detailed blood sugar test spreadsheet I presented him. Merely on the word of some litigation-paranoid midwives. I refused, and our birthplan specified that we would, by default, refuse all medical intervention during labor and delivery, and that every medical procedure had to be approved by my husband.

    Naturally, I had a short, certainly painful but obviously surviveable, and entirely drug-free natural birth. Most mothers who use the Bradley method can say the same.

    The risk of NEEDING a C-Section and having it be *gasp* three minutes away is absurdly low. The risk, if you're in a hospital, of being drugged, ignored, "monitored," and impatiently told that your labor is not "progressing" according to the rigid schedule set according to almost no scientifically valid standards, then guilted into a C-Section, is about 20%. I think you'll find, as I did, that the risk of death and serious complication to the MOTHER of MAJOR ABDOMINAL SURGERY, plus the difficult to discern risk of death to the fetus, added to the low apgar scores (associated with long-term poor performance by babies), plus the difficulty in bonding and starting breastfeeding, plus the usual feelings of failure and regret by women in that situation...all add up, at least in my book, to staying the heck out of the hands of the OB/Gyns and surgeons responsible.

    Then there are all the other less-drastic "interventions" and their inevitable harm to mother and baby (don't get me started on episiotomy)...I can't fathom any reason other than FUD, misinformation, and peer pressure that ANYONE would choose an OB if any other rational options exist. (I am NOT a home-birth advocate by any means, but rational middle ground exists in most places). Heck, you don't even have to do the literature review I did to figure out how bad the OB practice is. Just ask the OB you're considering how often he/she (mostly he) considers episiotomy to be necessary, despite years of evidence that it does more harm than good...ask what their C-Section rate is. Ask what their rate of using epidurals and other labor drugs is. Then decide if you're willing to roll the dice and risk that those things will happen to your wife with those likelihoods.

    Labor is not the time to realize that you can't stand up to a medical professional who is using "fetal distress" as an excuse to drug/snip/slice. You'll find that midwives have much higher healthy outcomes, and much lower rates of any of those interventions. A competent midwife will admit that C-Sections are sometimes necessary and be able to tell you about the two or three times she took someone in (in plenty of time, those scare tactics above are absurd...birth just doesn't work that way) for a C-Section.

    My advice is to check out the Bradley Method, the childbirth classes take longer (12 weeks) and are much more demanding on dad than any others I looked at, but the success rate is profoundly impressive. They, unlike even Lamaze, define success as a healthy

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    1. Re:you can't be too far away from a surgeon by ottawanker · · Score: 1

      I have to agree here, you do not want to get suckered into anything by the doctor. The doctors wanted to give my significant other an episiotomy, not because it was really necessary, but because the doctor in training beside him needed to know how to do it..

      Needless to say this is bad, and did not happen, for many reasons, most of which was my GF and I yelling at the doctor and saying that there was no way in hell that he was going to do it.. He still wanted to, and 'recommended' it, but in the end, it wasn't necessary.

      Also, in case you don't know, an 'episiotomy' is the Surgical incision of the perineum (The portion of the body in the pelvis occupied by urogenital passages and the rectum, bounded in front by the pubic arch, in the back by the coccyx, and laterally by part of the hipbone) during childbirth to facilitate delivery.

      For more information, check out this site

    2. Re:you can't be too far away from a surgeon by BJH · · Score: 1

      Here in Japan, an episiotimy is SOP during labour - i.e., 90%+ of mothers have them. Yes, it's an outdated technique with zip evidence for its necessity, but they still do them.

      We outsmarted the bastards, though - the baby came out so quick the doctor didn't have time to do one! (I was planning on stopping him if he did try, though.)

    3. Re:you can't be too far away from a surgeon by Spamlent+Green · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points, you'd get them. As one of few mothers actually commenting here, your insight is sorely needed.

      Anyway, thanks for the info. My wife and I are looking forward to our own natural (hopefully) birth in about a month! Sadly, we were not able to find a birthing center, but our Doula should keep those docs in line.

    4. Re:you can't be too far away from a surgeon by araven · · Score: 1

      Good luck! It probably won't be much fun, but it's do-able, and the Doula will be a big help, so you won't have to be the coach AND keep an eye on the doctors.

      One of the best things our childbirth instructor told us was that in her experience, people mostly had the kind of births they thought they would...in other words, the people who went in wanting a natural birth but really believing they'd probably have to have some kind of intervention ended up with that intervention. She said that's why she stopped doing practices based on births going wrong. She said her classes' success rates went up dramatically when she started doing practices based on short, easy, uncomplicated labor. If you can really convince yourselves that you're prepared, and that it's a normal process, and that you'll know instinctively and by training what to do, it'll all be fine.

      Of course the bonus is that after about three days, it's impossible to remember how bad it really was ;->. She'll forgive you for getting her through it. She'd remember having to do something she hadn't planned to do, like getting an epidural, but she won't remember the pain. So your best bet for avoiding future reproaches is to stick to the plan. At least if your wife is a reproaching sort of person like me ;->.

      I hope your young Linus, or Schroedinger, or Galadriel appears with a minimum of fuss!

      ~~~~~

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    5. Re:you can't be too far away from a surgeon by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      I lived in Japan for 8 years before moving to Vietnam. Epistiotomy is quite common here, too; we avoided it only because a C-section became medically necessary a few days before our due date.

      Our baby was so large that in retrospect my wife was kind of glad of the c-section :-)

  91. Advice is good, books are better + geek gift idea by tfurrows · · Score: 1

    I'm a new father of a now 3-month old baby girl. She's adorable, and alot of fun...

    Here's my advice; read some good books on the subject and be prepared. I would suggest (these are commonly suggested, and there's a reason for that):

    "What to expect when you're expecting" - Arlene Eisenberg, Sandee E. Hathaway, Heidi E. Murkoff
    http://www.epinions.com/book_mu-2807804

    "What to expect the first year" http://www.epinions.com/book_mu-2807473

    My wife loves both of these books, and they have an excellent amount of info...

    Also, heres a very important, and technically worthy GIFT IDEA!!!

    Tympanic/Aural Thermometer - This will make your life about 100 times easier when your little baby gets a fever. It is a digital thermometer that takes a temperature reading within the baby's ear canal- it can measure your baby's temp (or yours) in about 1 second. And the baby doesn't mind it at all (not the case with the old fashioned methods). We got ours at Costco, but I believe you can find them all over.... Note that they are not recommended for diagnosis purposes for babies under 2 months- though they are still a very helpful parent reassurance tool...

  92. babys are good excuse for gadgets by bear_phillips · · Score: 1

    Babys are good excuse for gadgets. Here are some ideas:

    1. PVR. Here is my setup. I use my linux box to record my favorite TV shows, then watch them back on my Zaurus over my wireless card. That whay I can watch TV while I rock my baby to sleep.

    2. Get a digital camera. The grandparents live out of state, so I set up a website. (great excuse to learn PHP)

    3. Get the wooden train sets (Brio, Thomas the Tank Engine) not the plastic or metal ones.

    Most of all have fun with your kid. He will be your best buddy (except when you don't let him have his candy).

    Now if someone would just design a linux powered potty trainer.

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  93. years of trying and you assume it'll work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    at least keep in mind that she could still miscarry this early on.

  94. Small is Beautiful by figa · · Score: 1
    I have two daughters. The younger just turned one. Here's what I wished someone had told me:

    Complete or stabilize any projects you're working on at least a month early. Delivery dates are approximate.

    Plan on putting any video games or other compulsive hobbies in storage for about a year.

    Don't buy anything except diapers, a car seat, a sealed trashcan, and a half-dozen waterproof changing pads. Buy everything else as you need it.

    Contrary to what others have said, the multifunction car seats are a pain. They don't fit infants well and they're not portable. You want something you can take out of your car while your kid's asleep. The infant seats are pretty cheap, anyway.

    Support nursing. It's better nutritionally, you don't have to do any prep, and it's emotionally good for the kid.

    If one of you can stay home, do it. If not, prepare for battle. My wife and I both tried to work from home when our first was born, and we fought constantly over whose time is a priority. The kid is a full time job, one that you shouldn't trust to anyone else because nobody will do a better job than you will.

    If you think you can't afford to stay home, double check your priorities. My brother's been saying he can't afford it, but when I suggested he stop maxing out his 401k for a year or two, he flipped. Same with deferring his wife's student loans. Most people can afford it but aren't willing to make any sacrifices. Kids are actually pretty cheap for the first few years if you avoid daycare.

    Still not convinced? See Harry Harlow's hideous experiments. Full-time daycare for infants == wire monkey.

    Ignore all the baby books on the market. I've gone through 3 that were considered the best, and my wife did half a dozen. They're all heavily politically motivated (your infant needs independence -- daycare -- is a common theme in the newer ones) or smeared with psychoanalitical garbage. The mothering magazines are lousy, too.

    By all means do not bake the birthday cake in the What to Expect in the First Year book! I know several people who tried it, including myself, and there's no way to make anything except a brick. It makes fruitcake look fluffy. It is a curse on our generation that will spoil far too many first birthdays.

    The second time around, my wife and I dumped the crib and got a second bed for my wife and new daughter. My wife can keep my daughter asleep most days until about 8, and when she was first born, they stayed in bed most of the day sleeping. They were considerably happier, and needless to say, I sleep well. Co-sleeping, as the pros call it, should only be a problem if you're massively overweight or drink heavily. Keep the baby on its back and away from blankets. Even if you don't set out to sleep with your infant, you'll end up doing it anyway.

    Prepare to be amazed at how child-unfriendly US society is.

  95. Episiotomy!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An episiotomy is a procedure, done shortly after birth, where the vagina is sutured back together again nice and tight. Make sure she has one, it will mean the difference between having great sex and being a very small train in a very big tunnel!!

    1. Re:Episiotomy!! by Bean · · Score: 1

      The episiotomy is the cut, not the reconstruction. I don't recommend them at all. If you use oils and other herbal remedies, you can avoid having one at all.

      ~Bean EDD 10/13 and the daughter of a midwife.

    2. Re:Episiotomy!! by kcurrie · · Score: 1


      This must be a troll. An episiotomy is almost ALWAYS totally unnecessary, and is often done because doctors want you to get the kid out quickly-- maybe they have a golf game to catch.
      Episiomoties get easily infected, take a long time to heal, are very painful, and should be avoided at all costs.
      Tell me, since the dawn of humankind, what percentage of people had episiomoties?
      Get a midwife if you can, or at least a doula, as it will make your birth experience MUCH more relaxed, and much less likely to require medical interventation.

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  96. Tried to keep it to 10 but couldn't do it. by dlcantrell · · Score: 1

    Congratulations!

    The wisdom I have picked up is as follows:

    1. Children and dogs have a lot in common. I would go purchase a mastiff puppy right now so you have something to practice on. Seriously.

    2. Remember to make sure your house is child proofed. This includes carpet and furniture that matches the color of vomit.

    3. Don't worry about being a bad parent. Most people tend to freak out and worry about their first child (it's natural). Go talk with an Italian family and see how they interact with their youngest of 11. What I'm trying to say is kids are resilient, they won't die by eating ants, and regardless of what happens a therapist will be able to fix them later in life if need be. ;)

    4. If you own anything you cannot stand to see damaged, sell it now.

    5. Go by a huge box of Lego's, throw them around the house, turn off all the lights and walk around barefoot. Get used to the feeling.

    6. To hell with the planet. Don't even think about cloth diapers. Disposable diapers are a lot like prostitutes as you're paying for the right to walk away from them once they have performed as expected. There is nothing worse then a soiled cloth diaper hanging around for any length of time.

    7. ALWAYS keep your child's private parts covered while changing a diaper. Not that there is anything wrong with naked time, they have a tendency to pee while their diaper is being changed and as my cousin can tell you, there is nothing like a face full of pee. By the way, you can neglect to tell your wife this and keep a camera close by. ;)

    8. It's ok to find the baby sitter attractive (if no one wanted to do it, it wouldn't be illegal) just pull a Don Quixote (dream, the impossible dream) and keep the relationship strictly professional.

    9. Don't sweat the little things and remember they're not supposed to act like "little adults" they're supposed to ask repetitive and annoying questions just like a "green bean" developer.

    10. You don't need to do anything elaborate to make your child happy. Just be there for them and love them unintentionally.

    11. Also, you're wife is going to freak out when her maternal instincts kick in. Get used to it as emotions rule the day and any semblance to logic or reason is thrown out the door. =)

    Good luck!!

  97. Have sex now! by MrResistor · · Score: 1

    Seriously, there is nothing that can kill your sex life as effectively as a small child. My wife and I had sex 2-3 times a week before our daughter was born. She's almost 3 now, and we have sex about once every 5 or 6 weeks. There are complications in our situation, which I'll get into below, so the change might not be so drastic for you. At minimum, though, expect a 3-6 month "dry spell" after the birth. On the bright side, though, you can do it as often as you like pretty much right up to the end.

    During the pregnancy, make sure your wife stays in shape. It will make the pregnancy and especially the birth much easier if she's in good physical condition. Pregnant does not mean invalid. My wife tested for her yellow belt at 8.5 months.

    Simethicon (sp?) is worth it's wight in platinum. I have heard these gas drops refered to as Pink Gold. You probably won't need them for another year or so. Hopefully you will remember them when your baby has been crying for 3 hours and nothing seems to help. Most likely this will be the answer you seek.

    As for the 2 income thing, my wife is a waitress and I'm a tech, so we've managed to work things out where we work opposite schedules. The good part is that one of us is always home with our daughter, which I think has had a very positive effect on her behavior (consistent discipline is easier when the child is mainly watched by parents) and her education (she can recognize most letters by sight and can count to 10 in English, Spanish, and Korean). The down side is that we don't get much time together as a couple, and that has certainly not helped our sex life. Although this is obviously not a viable solution for all families, I recommend it if there's any way you can work it out.

    A large part of the expense of a child for the first few years is day care, disposable diapers, and formula. Minimizing any or all of these will do a lot to ease the financial burden, and that's a lot easier to when at least one parent is home at all times.

    Another factor to consider is that, in my experience, full time parents tend to go stir-crazy. I saw this happen to my dad with my half siblings, who are 15 and 17 years younger than me, and with my wife before she went back to work. I imagine it happened with my mom as well, but I was too young to notice. All of them now view work as a welcome and refreshing alternative to staying home all day. After a full day with a 2 year old, my wife certainly looks forward to going to work!

    Finally, prepare to be amazed. Nothing you have ever done or seen even comes close to the wonders you will witness as a father. Nothing is as challenging or as rewarding.

    --
    Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around.
  98. My daughter turned 2 weeks old yesterday by CDS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Congrats!! I know exactly how you're feeling right now - my daughter was born 2 weeks ago :) :) :)

    Since I'm new at this "father thing" as well, I am only qualified to give advice on pregnancy and the 1st couple weeks of life...

    PREGNANCY:
    1) Backrubs are good. Backrubs are VERY good. For valentines day, I got my wife a one-hour "pregnancy massage" at a local spa (focusing on all the typical sore spots a pregnant woman has). Get her one of these. Cost is no object. Schedule it for approximately a month before the baby is due. She'll need it by then.

    2) Understanding and patience is good. your wife's body will be undergoing massive changes - physical, chemical, and emotional. These changes will NOT be understood (by either of you) and can be frightening and even embarrassing. Go with the flow. Be there for her. She needs you more than ever before.

    3) Get her things. "How about a glass of ice water, honey?" Be proactive - anticipate her needs. It will be appreciated.

    4) Have everything ready in advance. Get the room painted. They have "starter kits" with all sorts of things in them that you wouldn't have thought of. Buy a couple packs of diapers. Make sure the room has a good nightlight - you'll be stumbling into there at 3am on a daily basis.

    5) There is an online magazine (with accompanying deadtree mag) called ePregnancy. http://www.epregnancy.com/ -- Sign up for the weekly email. It's very good at explaining exactly what is happening week to week. The weekly emails are tailored to the correct week of pregnancy. My wife really looked forward to reading about what is happening to her each week.

    6) Get the carseat a few weeks in advance. Take a carseat class BEFORE buying the seat. Once you buy it, PUT IT IN THE CAR and make sure you understand how it works. Do NOT wait until your child is born. oh, and SEND IN THE REGISTRATION CARD for the carseat. I cannot stress that enough. I know, it gets you put on another junkmail list. But it also gets you put on the carseat recall list. You do NOT want to be using an unsafe seat. TAKE THE CARSEAT CLASS. Over 80% of people using carseats are using them incorrectly.

    DELIVERY
    1) Take a prenatal class. Make sure they do a tour of the delivery unit. Make sure you know where to go IN ADVANCE - the Big Day arrives and you'll be too panicked to have to search for the right entrance to the hospital.

    1) Be there for her. Be patient and understanding with her. She's SCARED AS HELL at this point. She's heard all sorts of horror stories about pain. Comfort her. Do what she asks :)

    2) Epidurals are a godsend. We live in the 21st century. Modern medicine is a GOOD thing. Don't be afraid to take advantage of it.

    3) Bring a sandwich. You'll be in the delivery room for a while. Your wife will need you there. Make sure it's not a stinky sandwich (I threatened to bring tunafish...)

    4) Bring CDs of soft, soothing music (ie Enya). It helps during the contractions. We found a nice CD of Dolphin music at walmart for $4 or so - it's got ocean sounds, soft piano music, etc. Worked great.

    5) If your wife is planning on natural delivery (ie no drugs), make sure to have a "focal point" she can concentrate on during the contractions. Also, take your wedding ring off -- she'll break your fingers squeezing your hand against your ring!

    6) Help in the delivery. I held one of my wife's legs and counted while she pushed. Watch during the birth. IT'S AMAZING!! It WILL change your outlook on life.

    7) Don't be surprised by anything that occurs. There is no modesty left during delivery. Just enjoy it. it's a TRUE miracle.

    AFTER YOUR CHILD IS BORN
    1) no visitors while you're in the hospital. Use the time to recover and enjoy your new child. Also use the time in the hospital for education. Those nurses know a LOT. Rely on them.

    2)

    1. Re:My daughter turned 2 weeks old yesterday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      "Epidurals are a godsend. We live in the 21st century. Modern medicine is a GOOD thing. Don't be afraid to take advantage of it."

      Be very careful when considering this route. Epidurals have been proven to increase the need for emergency C-sections, sometimes due to the increased time of labor that comes with using the epidural drugs. The drugs lead to distress to the baby, causing the baby's heartrate to slow due to being tired while the mother is in la-la land from the drugs. On top of that are a whole slew of other complications that can crop up.

      From reading /. for years now, I've seen a lot more people who seem to prefer the natural, drugless route, and quite rightly so. Bottom line: Do your homework. Epidurals aren't a "godsend", they're a man-made chemical. What seems like the easiest way out at the time may be something you wish you researched a lot more beforehand. The last thing you should be doing is making a blind decision to have your wife take an epidural when you don't have a clue what that will do to your wife or child(ren) in the long run.

  99. This dad's thoughts by knobboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    The first thing to realize is that your life, at least for the first six months after your child is born, will change drastically. Not necessarily in a bad way, but things will be different with the baby around.

    Here are some hints that I was told and some I've picked up:

    1. Buy things now. If you are going to use disposable diapers, buy a pack or two everytime you go to the store. Don't get just newborns, get size 1 and 2 as well if your budget allows. I used Huggy Ultra-Trims on my son, they worked well. I wouldn't recommend doing the same with formula as our son had to go through a couple types before we found what seemed to work best for him.
    2. Along with number one, plan your budget accordingly. My wife missed quite a bit of work due to morning sickness, pregnancy-induced diabetes, and was induced a month early due to pre-eclampsia (don't think I spelled that right, but have to hit the door soon). This left us with less money than expected before our son was born, so we didn't have the baby bed bought and paid for, for example.
    3. Make sure you have a comfy chair (Cardinal Fang) to sit in for the feedings. We had a rocking chair (not a glider) in my son's room, but it was not comfortable. A month after he was born, we bought a rocking recliner that made night-time feedings much better.
    4. If you don't have it, find a way to get a camer/digital camera and/or camcorder. I didn't have one when our son was born, but Grandma and Grandpa did and we used it when visiting them to get those moments you don't want to forget. Also look into getting a baby book set up now. My wife's cousin promised us one but never delivered, so we don't have all of the usual things recorded that some people would like to have.
    5. Beg and borrow as much stuff as you can. We got a bassinet from a family friend, my wife's co-worker garage sale for baby clothes, we borrowed a car seat from a friend, etc. Spend on what you must, but borrow what you can. People will offer.
    6. Family can be a big help. My wife's parents babysit the boy at least every third week, which can be very helpful.
    7. Definitely attend a childbirth class. Your local hospital likely has one that expectant parents can attend. If nothing else, do this.

    1. Re:This dad's thoughts by knobboy · · Score: 1

      A couple more things I thought of last night:

      1. You see people carry these immense baby bags around whenever they are out of the house. While this is OK if you will be out and about the whole day, make sure you have a much smaller diaper bag that can carry a bottle or two, a couple diapers, wipes, and maybe a change of clothes.
      2. If you have the funds, start investing in a 529 plan for your child's college costs. Make sure you check out your state's plan first, as it is usually tax-deductible (at least on your state taxes. See http://www.savingforcollege.com/ for more information.
      3. I've seen a couple people mentioning getting the convertible baby seats. While I agree they are good and have one myself, I preferred the infant seat that doubles as an infant carrier and detaches from the car seat base. We borrowed one from a friend and used it for the first 9 months or so instead of the bigger convertible seat we had. Using this seat gives you something to put the child in when you are at dinner and so forth, and I also found it easier to put the seat (with baby) back into the base than trying to maneuver the baby into the larger convertible seat.
      4. If you can find something other than TV to entertain your child, do it. My son isn't entranced by the TV like his cousins are, and won't be if I can help it. He either plays with toya, chases the pets around, or reads any of the several books I have in my office for him.

  100. advice from the onion by solferino · · Score: 1

    advice from the onion
    on this topic :

    you and me
    plus baby
    minus me
    makes two

  101. Advice by Ledge · · Score: 1

    I'm suprised that you even need to ask for advice. When my wife was pregnant, everyone had advice to offer, and most of it sucked. Here's my opinion that most people probably think sucks.
    If you make any money at all, have your wife quit her job. The more time that your child can spend with it's immediate family, the better.
    Next off, if possible, breast feed.
    Finally, if it comes down to you getting sleep, or staying up all night, cosleep. Why this is such taboo, I'll never know.

    --
    If it ain't a Model M, it's a piece of crap.
  102. Childproofing by m_evanchik · · Score: 1

    Any advice for hildproofing for a couple in a small (700 sq. ft.) 3 room(+kitchen and bath) NYC (well, Astoria, Queens) apartment. What I'm, particularly worried about is all the wires for the 4 computers (and 5 monitors).

    Also any suggestions on how a solitary ex-bachelor can keep his sanity? This is what worries me the most. Sometimes I just don't like people around : (

    Then there's the space issue. Like I said, it's a smallish apartment (though not by NYC standards).

    And does anyone else get bouts of super-nervousness between the thoughts of amazement and joy?

    And finally (heh) where are good places for advice beyond slashdot (sheesh!).

    1. Re:Childproofing by Mr.Phil · · Score: 1

      Sell off the monitors and use a KVM or two. Bundle the cables together as much as possible. Little ones love to pull on things to stand up, not a good idea to make cables available to them.

      Your pediatrician (sp?) should be able to direct you to some "Baby and Me" type of events in your local area. Some may be "churchy" and some may be "hippy touchy feeliy" you just have to pick one that suits your tastes.

      As to keeping your sanity, make a pact with the SO to allow each of you to take 30 minutes where one watches the baby and the other can just unwined. You have to remember that it is stressfull for both parties, and women can get extra "interesting" from the hormone inbalance. Post partum depression is not uncommon.

  103. Mailman by jhunsake · · Score: 1

    After a few years of trying, my wife is pregnant

    So she finally gave up on trying and slept with the mailman?

  104. less sanitised books by Sad+Loser · · Score: 2, Informative


    Being a good parent is very difficult. It is much easier to start off with good habits and enforce them, rather than duck them and try to sort them out later.

    Sleep is absolutely critical- both yours and theirs.

    If you can't get sleep right, you get an over-tired irritable child which develops a whole lot of other problems e.g. behavioural problems. People always say to us "aren't you lucky, your children sleep really well". It's not luck. We worked hard at it, it was difficult, but it was well worth it.

    Here are some books for someone looking for something a little less rose tinted.

    Up the duff
    and
    Silent Nights

    The silent nights book is the most important single book/ advice we had. It saved our sanity, and made our children happier and much nicer. Good luck !

    --
    Humorous signatures are over-rated.
  105. Just follow these simple rules by driptray · · Score: 1
    1. Breastfeed. It's cheaper, simpler, more convenient, healthier, etc etc.

    2. Breastfeed frequently. Don't go for this "every n hours" bullshit - that just makes the baby go crazy. If you feed the baby whenever it appears to be hungry you'll have a happy, contented and quiet baby, and that will make you happy and contented too.

    3. Breastfeed for a long time. Don't stop after a couple of months - stop when the baby starts to lose interest. This usually takes about 2 years.

    4. Don't buy a cot. Have the baby sleep in your bed. When the baby wakes up in the middle of the night to be fed, what do you want to do - get out of your nice warm bed, or just feed the baby quietly right there in the bed? With the baby in the bed, the dad will hardly wake, and the mum will only have to roll over and shove a tit in the baby's mouth until they both fall back to sleep. This may take just a few minutes.

      The only warning here is you cannot be drunk or on drugs if you're sleeping in the same bed as the baby.

    5. During the day/evening, let the baby sleep on your lap if you're just sitting around watching TV, talking etc. Babies don't need quiet dark rooms to sleep. Get you baby used to loud conversation, music, etc. right from birth. Don't separate the baby from all the other stuff you're doing.

    6. Don't buy a baby-monitor. You don't need one if the baby is always near you.

    7. Don't pollute your life with too much baby paraphernalia. You need nappies, towels, wipes, and maybe a pouch etc to carry the baby. When the baby can sit up, a high chair is useful.

    8. Don't worry about set bed times and nap times for your baby. Babies get tired and go to sleep, and they do it when they want to, not when you want them to. If your baby has a strange sleep schedule at first, don't worry, your baby will soon start copying your sleep schedule more or less.

    9. Don't buy a pram. They're dumb, clumsy and ugly. Just carry your baby everywhere, using either a pouch, a sling, a backpack, or your arms. Babies love these - they become sleepy, relaxed and contented. This will make you happy and contented.

    10. Don't buy a stroller. OK, maybe buy a stroller. Strollers are OK for older kids who are getting a bit heavy to carry, or kids that can walk, but not very far.

    11. Use whatever type of nappies you like. It really doesn't matter.

    12. Don't listen to other people's advice - listen to your baby.

    1. Re:Just follow these simple rules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The only warning here is you cannot be drunk or on drugs if you're sleeping in the same bed as the baby
      I've seen a couple of folks mention that in this thread. Out of real curiosity, what's the reason? Is it that you're more likely to toss/turn/roll over when under the influence (potentially injuring the baby), or is it the idea of "toxic" sweat causing harm?

      I haven't noticed that being drunk changes my sleep patterns any. That is, I still fall asleep on my side and wake up on the same side, no indication of extra tossing and turning. But I do always need a shower when I wake up after being drunk - my body's favorite way to dispose of alcohol appears to be sweating it out. Is the sweat, which presumably contains alcohol, a risk to an infant?

      No, I don't have any kids :) Just wondering why "don't have baby in the bed if you've been drinking" is being repeated so frequently - whether it's the aspect of being impaired, or the aspect of possible toxins.
    2. Re:Just follow these simple rules by driptray · · Score: 1

      It's the impairment.

      I toss and turn quite a bit during the night. I would sometimes roll over onto my daughter, but there was no harm done, and I would semi-wake up for a fraction of a second and roll off.

      But if you're drunk, there's a chance that you won't semi-wake up and roll off. The baby can be smothered and suffocate.

      On the odd occasion when I'd been drinking, I would sleep in a different bed. But new parents often don't do a lot of drinking. :)

      Some more details - my daughter stayed in the bed untl she was about 2.5 yo. At that age she was starting to take up too much room, and would often get all east-west when her parents were north-south. She liked to thrash her legs around too. It was getting a bit much, so we rigged up a small bed that was next to our bed, and she slept there. We sold it to her as a sign that she was very grown up, needing her own bed. After a few months of that we moved her bed a bit further from our bed, and eventually we moved it into a separate room altogether.

      I really have fond memories of the time she used to sleep in our bed. A very idyllic time.

  106. My $.02 by Dammital · · Score: 1
    1. Record the birth, *tastefully*. Don't take graphic photos that you'd only show to a few intimate family members. Take pictures that you wouldn't mind publishing in your daughter's high school yearbook in her senior year. Stills are far more valuable than video. Think about whom you want to take these photos; I did it myself because I didn't want anybody but my wife and me and the necessary medical people there, but I had to divide my time between being a videographer and being a supportive husband. I don't know that I made the right decision; if you have a *close* friend or family member, it might be worth putting him/her to work.

    2. Names: naming our daughters was one of the hardest things I've ever done, an exercise in diplomacy and accommodation. My wife and I came up with independent lists of names, ranked in order of preference, then we compared lists to see where we agreed, and negotiated from there. This may work for you, it may not. The important thing is: KEEP THOSE LISTS. Remember the names that you considered; my girls have both been intensely interested in where their names came from and what other names were candidates.

    3. Introduce the family dog to the newborn with especial loving emphasis on the dog. Our basset (Ada, after the Lady Augusta Lovelace) was introduced to my firstborn with lots of praise and pats. Whenever Ada and my daughter were in the same room we put them together and told Ada what a good girl she was. Forever after that Ada the basset spent her nights guarding my daughter's crib; that was *her* baby. Don't let the pets get an opportunity to become jealous of the interloper!

    4. Colic: others have already commented about this. This can be bad juju, your baby is terribly unhappy for no obvious reason. My firstborn's pediatrician prescribed Levsine, an anticholinergic drug which worked absolute wonders for us. A couple of drops by mouth made all the difference. But my second daughter's pediatrician steadfastly refused to prescribe same, saying it was dangerous. You'll find references on the 'net that say that doctors these days are hesitant to prescribe Levsine except in the most acute cases, but I'm here to tell you that it was good stuff for *us*. Your mileage and circumstances may vary of course, but you should know that there are options. Colic is no fun for anybody.

    5. Get a Blockbuster card. Your days of spontaneously going out for a movie are over for the short term. Even after you're able to take the wee ones to a theater, you won't see anything but Disney features. I missed movies more than anything while my kids were growing up.

    6. Introduce your child to your computers EARLY. Small children don't have much in the way of eye-hand coordination, and they aren't able to handwrite individual characters. But they CAN certainly recognize them, and it doesn't take much eye-hand coordination to use a keyboard. When my daughter was less than two and unable to write her name, she was able to boot up our MS-DOS machine and type her name, executing a BAT file that played Christmas carols. My four-year-old niece installed a program on her family's MS-Windows computer when her Papa didn't have time for her -- she'd seen Papa do it before: Next... Next... Next... Next... Finish! Handwriting skills != literacy.

    7. Every child in Florida should know how to swim, it's a basic and even survival skill. I don't know how necessary it is where you live, but resist the temptation to teach them too early. My firstborn was taught to swim just before she turned two, and it worked well. We yielded to the advice of others and took our second in to the Infant Swim Research people when she was just over six months old. Big mistake IMO; babies can't be "drown proofed", and at best you can get a six-month old to flip over on her back and float for a few minutes. They don't learn much, there is too much trauma involved for the child, and a six month old shouldn't be out of your sight for more than a few seconds at a time anyway u

  107. Listen to all advice; select what works for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lots of great advice already posted. Bear in mind that everyone can tell you what worked or didn't work for *them*. This does NOT mean that it will work or not work the same way for YOU. Other kids' favorite foods / activities / relaxers / teething-easers may work for yours and may not.

    By all means, listen to everyone, especially all of the elder relatives who know best. :-) And don't get annoyed with anyone. Just remember to replace each "This is what you do" with "This is what worked for us" and treat it as a suggested option on the menu. And afterwards, it never hurts to tell the pushiest ones "We tried what you told us, and we got the problem solved" . . . whether the solution was theirs or not. :-) :-)

  108. Cross a geek with a lawyer, get a Smart Girl by tcomeau · · Score: 1
    I really think the only surprise was her first poop. I'll describe that in a bit.

    I'm a geek (getting paid to build software systems for 25 years now, so maybe a dino-geek) and my wife is an attorney. While I still make more than she does, some years it's been close. We had our one child, Teela, seven years ago next Friday.

    Everybody says you won't get any sleep. We managed to get sleep by planning. I took four weeks off after Teela was born and then spent another four weeks working two or three days a week. My wife left the firm she was in (a two-woman shop, but she was a partner) and spent a year doing temp assignments two to four days a week. Whoever didn't have to work the next day took care of bathing, overnight feedings and changing, etc. while the other got a solid eight hours. The person who only got five or so hours could catch up the next evening. We did, however, give up most television. No great loss.

    We got two baby slings like this and carried Teela everywhere for the first six months. I really believe that it helped. Our pediatrician showed us a journal article that indicated babies with constant parental contact were less fussy during the day and slept better at night. My experience bore that out.

    I heard lots of horror stories. It seemed like everybody had their favorite disease or condition for which we needed to have her tested. We did a lot of research, and talked to a lot of people, both parents and pediatricians. The only thing she ended up being tested for was lead, and that was a state requirement, mostly because Baltimore has such incredible lead contamination. She was fine. The only bit of health advice I have is something that should be obvious: Put your baby down to sleep on her or his back. Not her tummy, even if it seems she sleeps more readily or soundly, and she's fussy on her back. Put her on her back until she can roll herself over on her tummy. Once she can roll over, let her pick her own orientation and don't worry about it. There is now a ton of data on sleeping posture, and the relationship to SIDS and other problems, and it all boils down to this: Put your baby down to sleep on his or her back. So do that.

    Pay attention to all those safety things: Never leave a baby in a tub, even for a second. Never leave a baby in a car. Never move the car unless the baby is strapped into a properly secured car seat.

    Car seats are easy to misinstall. Around here we fairly regularly get events where cops will check your seat to see if it's correctly installed. Usually they see more than 90 percent incorrect installation. We had two cars, one of the seats was fine, the other was just loose enough that the Trooper helped me tighten it up to make sure it was really safe.

    Okay, the poop story.

    When Teela was four days old, I was doing her usual evening changing while my wife and mother collaborated on dinner for the grownups. Suddenly they heard me yell "Oh shit!" and began racing each other up the stairs. By the time they arrived I was laughing. Teela had squirted her first stream of poop over the diaper through the air about two feet into my hand. I had heard of projective vomiting, but never projectile pooping. And I had no reason to suspect her first poop would be so firmly delivered.

    It wasn't really a surprise, but I am still amazed by was what a joy she has been. I keep hearing how "kids are great at that age", but the age keeps changing to whatever age she is. She has been, and is, the most amazing person.

    When people meet her for the first time, I don't introduce her as "my daughter, Teela." The ownership runs the other way. I tell people "this is Teela, and I'm Teela's dad."

    --

    tc>
    Most Americans don't understand science, and they wouldn't like it if they did.

  109. Use ASL to communicate == less frustration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using sign language with your child facilitates communication when they haven't acquired verbal skills yet. It saved us a lot of frustration with ours. Here are a couple of books: Sign With Your Baby Complete Learning Kit and Baby Signs, Revised Edition : How to Talk with Your Baby Before Your Baby Can Talk. Googling on the subject is left as an exercise to the reader.

    1. Re:Use ASL to communicate == less frustration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you so much for those links

  110. Observations from a three time dad by McCarrum · · Score: 1

    You will become public property. Expect grannies and others to approach you and say "oooh, what a lovely baby" and expect a conversation.

    Sleep like a soldier .. whenever you can.

    Spend as much time as you can make with your family, even if it impacts on your geek time. Nobody was ever on their deathbed and said "I should have spent mroe time at work".

    Babies are people. Really! You can't make them eat, or sleep, or whatever .. they'll do what they think is right also. This may include inserting random objects into disk drives and VCRs. Been there, done that ..

    Sex after babies CAN still happen ... I recommend being as spontanous as (legally) possible :)

    Baby crying? Check the diaper first. Oh and remember that babies tend to cry just to communicate.

    You are amazing and magical masters of the universe to your kids. They're hungry, you fix it. They're dirty, you can clean it. They're bored, you can amuse them. BUT .. there will be some things that you can't magically fix - and those are the hard times. If they're tired, they have to sleep - even if they think you can just wave a magical parent finger and make 'it' go away.

    Read to them. They don't understand the words, but they love the sound of your voice, and your attention. I recommend reccording a few videos of YOU reading books, and play them for their amusement when you're not there. Trust me, these will become the treasures of their childhood.

    Everything you read just may be wrong ... kids are individuals, sometimes annoyingly so.

    Don't expect life with a baby (hell, life overall really) to reflect a script. It happens they way it wants to.

    You're allowed to feel depressed. Write a diary about it.

    Our baby loves her mobile .. we grabbed a bunch of toy butterflies, and made a wonderful mobile that sits above her change table. She giggles everytime she sees it, and it makes changing her MUCH easier.

    Lastly, this will be the hardest thing you ever do. It is also the best. Enjoy every moment, even the bad ones, because it's all worth it.

  111. Only purchases you need by selyara · · Score: 2, Insightful
    1) Diaper Genie. Get many refills now - you won't have time or energy later.

    2) Small waterproof cloth pads. Cut them into 1/2 baby size pieces, perfect for going in diaper bag to provide simple clean changing area that doesn't take much space

    3) Lightweight books and book holder-openers, important to scatter these around the house to be available to your or your partner when you get stuck with baby in your lap and can't move.

    4) clothes with no buttons for baby to wear so you don't need to muddle with them while you're unable to see your nose from the lack of sleep. meddling with buttons and snaps suck. forget bottoms entirely and just cover baby.

    That's it. Anything else is negotiable.

  112. ARE YOU READY TO BE A PARENT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone sent us this on email shortly before our first child arrived:

    "Preparation for parenthood is not just a matter of reading books and decorating the nursery. Here are 12 simple tests for expectant parents to take to prepare themselves for the real life experience of being a mother or father.

    1. Women: To prepare for maternity, put on a dressing gown and stick a beanbag chair down the front. Leave it there for nine months. After nine months, remove 10% of the beans.

    Men: To prepare for paternity, go the local drug store, tip the contents of your wallet on the counter, and tell the pharmacist to help himself. Next, go to the supermarket. Arrange to have your salary paid directly to its head office. Go home. Pick up the paper and read it for the last time.

    2. Before you finally go ahead and have children, find a couple who are already parents and berate them about their methods of discipline, lack of patience, appallingly low tolerance levels, and how they have allowed their children to run wild. Suggest ways in which they might improve their child's sleeping habits, toilet training, table manners, and overall behavior. Enjoy it -- it's the last time in your life that you will have all the answers.

    3. To discover how the nights feel, walk around the living room from 5 p.m. until 10 p.m. carrying a wet bag weighing approximately 8-12 pounds. At 10 p.m. put the bag down, set the alarm for midnight, and go to sleep. Get up at 12 a.m. and walk around the living room again with the bag until 1 a.m. Put the alarm on for 3 a.m. Since you can't go back to sleep, get up at 2 a.m. and make a pot of tea. Go to bed at 2:45 a.m. Get up again at 3 a.m. when the alarm goes off, sing songs in the dark until 4 a.m. Put the alarm on for 5 a.m. Get up.

    Make breakfast. Keep this up for 5 years. Look cheerful.

    4. Can you stand the mess children make? To find out, smear peanut butter onto the sofa and jam onto the curtains. Hide a fish stick behind the stereo and leave it there all summer. Stick your fingers in the flower beds then rub them on the clean walls. Cover the stains with crayons. How does that look?

    5. Dressing small children is not as easy as it seems: first buy an octopus and a string bag. Attempt to put the octopus into the string bag so that none of the arms hang out. Time allowed for this--all morning.

    6. Get an egg carton. Using a pair of scissors and a can of paint, turn it into an alligator. Now get a toilet paper tube. Using only scotch tape and a piece of foil, turn it into a Christmas tree. Last, take a milk container, a ping pong ball, and an empty packet of CoCo Puffs and make an exact replica of the Eiffel Tower. Congratulations, you have just qualified for a place on the play group committee.

    7. Forget the Miata and buy the mini-van. And don't think you can leave it out in the driveway spotless and shining. Family cars don't look like that. Buy a chocolate ice cream bar and put it in the glove compartment. Leave it there. Get a quarter. Stick it in the cassette player. Take a family-size bag of chocolate cookies. Mash them down the back seats. Run a garden rake along both sides of the car. There!

    Perfect!

    8. Get ready to go out. Wait outside the toilet for half an hour. Go out the front door. Come in again. Go out. Come back in. Go out again. Walk down the front path. Walk back up it again. Walk down it again. Walk very slowly down the road for 5 minutes. Stop to inspect minutely every cigarette butt, piece of used chewing gum, dirty tissue, and dead insect along the way. Retrace your steps. Scream that you've had as much as you can stand until all the neighbors come out and stare at you. Give up and go back in the house. You're now just about ready to try taking a small child for a walk.

    9. Always repeat everything you say at least five times.

    10. Go to your local supermarket. Take the nearest thing you can find to a pre-school child with you. A fully grown goat is excellent. If you intend to have m

  113. My uncconventional advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope you read this....

    1) Make sure she doesn't consume a drop of alcohol. Any alcohol whatsoever in her system can damage the baby
    2) Have the baby sleep in the same room as her, this will make it feel more secure for life and will ease the difficulty of being woken up during the night. A baby should also receive alot of physical contact (meaning touch), as this will make it feel far more secure
    3) Be very aware of what nose, sounds and emotional mentalities the baby is being exposed to; they're aware of such things from a surprisingly young age, and what they come in contact with in the first 5 years will influence them for life. No booming Kiss music, and no exposure to television or radio could be very helpful, and will greatly reduce parents' stress levels too
    4) Have the mother breastfeel, bottlefeeding is no good. Have her breast feed for a year or longer; this is normal, breastfeeding for mere months is a modern perversion. Also have her be very aware of what she's eating from a different angle: consider the chemicals present in food from spraying; the less that ends up in the baby's system, the healthier it will be: you may want to consider organicly grown food, especially for milk products
    5)Be weary of kindergartens and daycare centres. I've seen what effect these places' environments have on children's minds years later, they become badly behaved, superficial, mindless and thrill-seaking. You may want to look for some alternative kindergartens (ones with different phylosophies and which have parents present), and to avoid daycare like the plague.
    6) Be prepared to have the mother stay at home with the baby for the first three years, and someone else close like the father or grandparents after then. This is unpopular today, but a child needs to be around parental or close family figures for their first 5 years, or else they lack attachment and become less secure in life.
    7) The baby is more important than house, money, job and relationship. Most people forget this!
    8) Look at the schools around you and how children and teenagers are where you live. Do you want your child to grow up to be like them? As a parent you're only a secondary influence on your child compared with the nature of the people your child will be around. Don't be afraid to move somewhere where the people are real if it means giving this child a good start in life.

    1. Re:My uncconventional advice by buggieboy · · Score: 1

      >> Don't be afraid to move somewhere where the people are real if it means giving this child a good start in life.

      He'd have to move to the Little House on the Prairie to live like this. We live in 21st Century U.S.A. If the kid's not going to be Ted Kozinski, he'd better get used to it.

  114. Hmm... what to do by mosch · · Score: 1
    well, buy a copy of what to expect when you're expecting.

    remember that your wonderful, intelligent, loving wife is likely to become a raving loon with an iq of approximately 72 at some point. this is normal.

    start doing some non-geek stuff, and learn the rules to all the major sports if you don't know them. your kids should learn that stuff.

    DO NOT under any circumstances, use the first post-birth diaper to learn how to change a diaper. your seemingly healthy baby is born with the ability to shit tar.

    make sure you have the ability to relax and smile at tragedy.

    don't worry if vomit bothers you. baby vomit starts out rather innocuous and then grows fouler along with your ability to handle more disgusting smells.

    baby shit changes colors. this is normal.

    once the baby comes you'd think you'd be overwhelmed... you won't be. you'll just be very, very tired.

    there's a very real chance your wife will be slightly insane AFTER she has the baby too. this is normal.

    umm... and yah, nce again, learn to find tragedy hilarious.

  115. Father of 2 under 4 years by rjamestaylor · · Score: 1
    • What do you wish you had known before child #1 was born?
    Whew. First, I wish I would have known that there is no way to know (really know) what to do with a child until you have a child. Education helps (mostly; becareful of judging your parenting or your child against what you read/hear), but is no substitute for experience. This is also meant to be an encouragement: you will be able to meet this challenge; the ability to do so will come as you need it.

    Second, even though I knew that 1 in 5 pregnancies end in spontaneous abortions (miscarriages), I was not and could not have been prepared for losing our first child at 12 weeks in to the first pregnancy. No, I can't say I took much comfort in the statistics. What's more, I recovered emotionally before my wife did--and it almost broke us apart. There was a "sign" that we missed due to ignorance: my wife didn't suffer much morning sickness. During the second pregnancy the OB/GYN was alarmed at this and put my wife on the hormone Progesterone. Know that morning sickness in the first trimester is GOOD NEWS.

    Our third pregnancy (second son) didn't need supplimental hormone.

    • I don't personally know many two income families who are in this position. We sometimes work long hours, and that will either come to an end or we'll put in lots of effort to work around that.
    I was working long, long hours. I switched jobs to cut back (also to make more money; my long hours job was for a non-profit org from which I took less than $1800/mo--significant work, perhaps, but nothing to raise a family upon).

    My wife, an RN (Registered Nurse), stopped work to directly raise our children. She keeps up with her CE credits to keep her license in effect, but otherwise does not "work" (try telling a mother of 2 boys under 4 that she doesn't work). The benefit of this? Our boys don't call a stranger "Mommy".

    • What do I do? What do I expect? Are there any products to stay away from? I'm going to be a dad!"
    Consumer Reports -- get an online subscription. Read up on strollers, and CAR SEATS. Start practicing putting the car seat securely in the car. In some states, the police will gladly help you secure the seat.

    Most of all prepare your home, personal life and family life to be the environment that will best benefit your child. Make adjustments to lifestyle NOW--you won't be able to do so later.

    That's all for now. Congratulations and blessings to you and your wife.

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    -- @rjamestaylor on Ello
  116. More things by Ecks · · Score: 1
    My son Jay is going on 9 months old so I consider myself as much of a newbie at this as you. Here's what I've discovered so far.

    Having the baby:
    • Take a natural childbirth class. You and your wife/SO will learn how to relax during the childbirth process and this will make things much better.
  117. Amendments to list by leonbrooks · · Score: 1
    0. [VERY important!] Stock up on sleep beforehand

    4. Keep everything out of reach and bolted down (passwords on screensavers, short timeout) until they're about 8yo

    5. They're a lot of effort, but if you put that effort in wholeheartedly, they're a fantastic reward

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    Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
  118. Please visit this site for more info. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Learn why you should not have kids.

    I recommend an abortion before it's too late.

  119. Re:More things (continued) by Ecks · · Score: 1
    During the first three months lack of sleep is the biggest problem. This is a paradox since all the baby does is sleep.
    • Sleep when the baby sleeps.
    • Breast fed babys sleep about two hours at a stretch. Formula fed babys get to about 3 ~ 4.

    On breastfeeding. No argument that it's natural and the best. It takes patience for mom and baby to learn how to do it. It's very important at the beginning because it transfers immunity from mom to baby. A lactation consultant is a good thing.

    From three months to six your life will resemble it's pre-baby form because the baby has learned to sleep for 4~6 hours at a stretch.

    Products that I find helpful:

    • Baby Bjorn front carrier: At $80.00 it seems expensive but I've used mine every day since I could.
    • The Baby Book by Dr William Sears and Martha Sears RN: Takes a Earthy approach to child rearing
      which I can already see.


    Lastly and most importantly early child rearing is a job best done by three or more people. If your child will have grandparents or other caring friends and family take them up on any honest offers to help. Avoid help that comes with baggage.

    Ecks
  120. Remember, this is YOUR child. by dpilot · · Score: 1

    They're going to hand you this little lump of flesh at the hospital, and you get to take it home. If you're anything like us, you'll feel utterly incompetent at the thought of being parents, and overwhelmed.

    You get over it. Parenthood is strictly learn-by-doing, and each stage hopefully prepares you for the next.

    You're also going to have tons of "helpful advice." Follow your own gut, and sort through that advice, and don't be afraid to throw it out. this is YOUR child, not theirs. At some point, you will realize that you are the expert on this child, not anyone else.

    --
    The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
  121. Frank White's advice by Frank+White · · Score: 0

    If the baby comes out African-American and both parents are white, and your wife is good-looking, and you live in the greater Kansas City area, that's perfectly normal.

    --

    Custer's Revenge: The greatest video

  122. baby sitters by ReidMaynard · · Score: 1

    your kid is (almost) never to young to have a baby sitter. We got our first steady one when our kids were 2 & 17 months old.

    She was 12 yo and lived 3 houses away. Pay her well. Make sure Mommy really likes her.

    We are, still to this day, all great friends, [kids are now 17 & 18, baby sitter is nearly 30] even though we are 600 miles apart.

    oh, and yes, she turned out to be a *hottie*.

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    -- www.globaltics.net

    Political discussion for a new world

  123. Ugh by BadluckShleprock · · Score: 1

    Since the deed is already done, my suggestion of getting a vasectomy before your life ends as you know it is a little pointless. However, I have these words of wisdom: Don't humiliate the kid Encourage them (don't pressure them) into good study habits. Get a vasectomy before you make another mistake I know I'll pi** a lot of people off by saying that having kids is a mistake, but many, many, many lives and marriages are ruined because of kids. More than most people want to admit, and it's enough of a problem that people should stop feeling an obligation to contribute to overpopulation and its associated issues (i.e. pollution, destruction of land, etc.)

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    There's a fine line between cuddling and holding someone down so they can't get away.
  124. Engage child, disengage one job by PizzaFace · · Score: 1

    Your child's brain is a mass of neurons that will be ordering itself with tens of thousands of new synapses every day. This self-ordering is based on the child's experience, and the experience that most shapes the child's personal qualities and capacities will be social interaction. You and your wife should be the ones doing the interacting; do not trust this critical job to hired help, which tends to treat infants as houseplants.

    Social interaction with infants is not the same as social interaction with adults. It's physical as well as verbal. A baby needs cuddling and holding, and later pat-a-cake and horsey-back rides. A child needs to hear loving voices and see eye contact and facial expressions that help explain the meaning of the words. No television; it teaches only passivity. Your baby doesn't need to hear Mozart, but gentle music is good, and your child will thrive on the rhythm and melody and words and familiar voice of your singing. My singing and guitar playing also relieved my baby's constipation once, but I'm not sure whether that was a sign of relaxation or a comment.

    You and your wife cannot both have jobs with long hours. Unless your wife makes a lot more money, it is more practical for her to step back from her career so she can more easily breastfeed and follow the baby's sleep/wake schedule. Depending on her relationship with her employer, her intention regarding future references, and her benefits package, she might want to keep her mommying intentions to herself until after she has exhausted her paid maternity leave. The law guarantees she can have her job after unpaid leave, so she is legally protected in taking time off when the baby is born and making a final decision in a few months about whether to return.

    You will need to step back from your hobbies and long hours at work too. You will want to spend as much time as possible with your child, and you'll also need to help your wife. Get used to a less expensive lifestyle (no leisure travel, no dining out) and save money for when your wife's income stops. Budget, get organized, put your affairs in order because no matter how busy you think you are now, you are on vacation compared to after you have a baby.

    If you want to have another baby, do it soon after the first. We had trouble getting pregnant at first, but once the machinery started working it stayed in gear, and we (rather unexpectedly) got pregnant again when our first child was nine months old. It seemed difficult at first, but it was great because we were in the routine and the kids (now 6-1/2 and 5) are best friends. I was and am also very close to my brothers who are a year and two years younger.

    Speaking of my wife's and my pregnancy, she would say it was in fact her pregnancy and only hers. Women find this point increasingly important as pregnancy progresses and becomes less comfortable. Whatever.

    As soon as my first child was born I realized that I'm nothing but a link in a chain. Raising your children is not just the most important thing you'll ever do; it is, in the grand scheme, the only thing you'll ever do. Enjoy it and do it right.

  125. From experience by a9db0 · · Score: 1
    Right off - I didn't read the other comments - no time. My 11 month old is bouncing in her bouncy seat, so I have a moment.

    You will need:
    - A diaper genie. The only way to deal with dirty diapers.
    - A swing, preferably battery powered. Great way to soothe tired kids who don't want to nap.
    - Toys. Lots of toys. The more the better, to encourage creativity.
    - A PVR. Forget ever watching "West Wing" on time. It just ain't happeneing.
    - Patience. You thought installing modern Linux from floppy on an old 386 with no CD was frustrating, you ain't seen nothing yet.
    - The books
    • What to expect when she's expecting
    ,
    • What to expect in the first year
    , and
    • The Girlfriend guide to Pregnancy
    . All full od good information.

    A few observations:
    - Jar food is not evil. It makes travel, especially by air, much more pleasant.
    - Disposable diapers are the way to go, for the same reason.
    - If s/he is in daycare, watch them like hawks. Give preference to daycares that do NOT have TVs in the rooms with them.
    - Find a good pediatrician now. Talk to moms with small kids - they know who is good and who isn't. A good pediatrician will save your sanity several times.
    - Sleep now.
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    -- "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." - R.A.H.
    1. Re:From experience by a9db0 · · Score: 1

      FWIW - having the "Submit" button right next to the "Preview" button is hell on those of us with poor aim.

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      -- "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." - R.A.H.
  126. Re:Advice is good, books are better + geek gift id by kcurrie · · Score: 1

    Actually What to expect when you're expecting, is often NOT recommended by doctors and midwives alike, because it often "scares" women due to the way some things are presented and some of the information given. The rest of the "what to expect" books are ok though.

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    -- I speak only for myself.
  127. raping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I may have some opponents here on slashdot, I highly suggest you do not rape your children.

  128. Make time for family... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...In the end, its all that matters. Technology and jobs come and go, as do all but the best of friends, but families are eternal.

  129. I wish I knew.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much it sucks.
    The extent to which it would ruin my life.

    My recommendation would be to get an abortion while you still can. Save your life and marriage.

  130. Tips I haven't seen posted yet: by BSemrad · · Score: 1

    Don't get caught in the trap of always getting up in the middle of the night to feed your baby. After your kid is a few months old he/she is fully capable of going through the night without needing fed. For the first few months there's not much you can do but get up, feed them, and rock them back to sleep but it won't take long before your kid will be programmed to wake up in the middle of the night and start crying for food, even if they are not hungry. The best indicator of when this is when they don't eat much before going back to sleep. When this happens you should be able to train them to sleep the entire night (at least 6 or 7 hours) We sleep trained my son at 9 weeks, YMMV. Try the following:

    1. Try to time it so they eat as much as possible as late as possible before going to sleep for the night. If possible, feed them a mixture of cereal and milk just before bed time. This sticks to their ribs a little better than milk and really helps.
    2. Be prepared to let your kid cry for at least an hour before feeding them. It is not harmful (and helps develop their lungs) for a baby to cry. The first night our son cried for about 1 hour and 30 minutes, the second for about 45 minutes, and third for about 10 minutes. After that, he slept for between 6-7 hours at least 5-6 nights per week. Initially when they wake up, get up and check their pants (change if necessary), pat them and let them know you are there and then go back to bed. If you want to, while they are still up, you can get up every 15 minutes, pat them and then go back to bed. Shortly, you will be able to get them to go back to sleep when they wake up without feeding them, but then they will sometimes wake up and want their diaper changed. After about a week we stopped changing my son's diaper and within another couple of days he slept all night and has ever since.
    3. Don't feed your kid in the morning unless they explicitly ask for it. Many times children will be completely satisfied with you just holding them, laying in bed with them or even playing with them for 15 minutes or more after they get up. In the morning, wait as long as you can before feeding them. By waiting, you are training them to be able to last longer at night between feedings. Over the next few weeks this will buy you another hour of sleep time because they will sleep longer before waking up legitimately hungry.

    Don't let kids sleep with you in your bed. If your doing it now, stop immediately. It's easier for you to sleep if you can't feel every movement your kid makes (at least it was for me) and it is easier for them to sleep when they can't feel every move you make. After your kids are about 1yr or older, sleeping in their own bed also helps their self esteem immensely. Everyone sleeping in their own bed is just better for everyone involved. Plus it make extracurricular activities a lot easier.

    Don't underestimate the value of reading to/with your kids. Start soon and keep it up no matter how many times they bring the exact same book to you. Make sure to expose them massive amounts of animal pictures, sounds, rhyming (very important), textures (also very important) music (the sing-along type not rap/rock ect...), colors, popup books. Be interactive, don't just read to them, take their hand and point to pictures and tell them what they are pointing at.

    Let your kids get dirty when they start feeding themselves and moving around. In about 4-6 months your kid will probably stop letting you feed him/her and demand to do it themselves. Let them make a mess of their food and play in the dirt later on. It is very important to for your kid to experience all of the different textures that are out there.

    Don't put your kids in a bubble. If something they are doing is probably going to cause them to get hurt a little, like bump their head or fall down, let them do it (see disclaimer). When they do bump their head and fall down, act like you didn't see it until they start crying. And when they start crying, let them cry for a couple of

    1. Re:Tips I haven't seen posted yet: by Evets · · Score: 1

      I'm generally not one to flame, but...

      Be prepared to let your kid cry for at least an hour before feeding them.

      This is some of the stupidest advice that I have ever seen!

      Newborns are NOT manipulative. Do NOT let your baby cry for an hour and a half! That only teaches the child that it is hopeless to cry for help. Newborns need to be fed every 1 1/2 to 3 hours. NEVER let your newborn sleep for more than three hours without a feeding.

      Talk to your doctor about letting a baby cry and sleep training. You will find that this practice is frowned upon by the majority of the pediatric community. Babies are not animals that need to be trained. When they are hungry feed them. When they ask for attention give it to them. When they are just plain frustrated, work through it with them. You cannot expect an infant to be convenient. A baby cannot be spoiled.

    2. Re:Tips I haven't seen posted yet: by BSemrad · · Score: 1

      Your right about kids being manipulative that early but their behaviors do get naturally programmed just by normal every day activities. I'm just suggesting that you slightly alter the their program to your advantage instead of your disadvantage. In my case, my kid was waking up several times a night, taking one slurp off a bottle and then going right back to sleep. This was happening repeatedly every night and I guarantee he did NOT need anything. I know several groups of parents who are still getting up in the middle of the night to feed their toddler(s) and they are >= 1 year old for heavens sake! It is almost always due to people like yourself who are unwilling to let their kid cry little when they can guarantee they don't need anything. It just doesn't hurt a kid to cry a little.

      It's obvious you should tend to your child if they need something. It's obviously you have to use some common sense here. The point I am trying to make is that it doesn't take long before they are fully capable of sleeping the night without being fed.

  131. Re:Save the PC - HIDE EVERYTHING by bLanark · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not just PC's. Phones, answerphones, baby monitors, power outlet sockets, etc etc.

    My 2.5 YO phoned a client's voicemail today. I had locked my phone but he can power it off, then on, then the lock is off. Also, someone in our house regularly changes the OGM on the answerphone - I wonder who?

    Baby monitors have been plugged into the wrong transfomers - bzzzt! (One of my kids put the feed from the transformer into their mouth once - they didn't do that again!)

    Radio alarm-clocks have been retuned or reset, lights blown by constant switching, and lots of tools lost around the house.

    Oh, hone up on your toy fixing skills too, every week something gets broken, whether it's a cracked plastic case or a leg off a chair from the doll's house.

    It sounds like chaos, and it is, often, but it's what life is all about.

    Some general advice: In the first few weeks, get all he rest you can (both of you), forget the chores unless you have to, take all the help you can (that's why you saved the chores), and try to savour the moments. Take some photos, get both parents in too.

    Oh, when they get to 18 months, they get *really* interested in water. Sometimes I wish I hadn't got ceramic valve taps, which even a 2 y.o. can turn on...

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    Note to ACs: I won't mod you up, even if you are being funny or insightful. So take a chance! It's not real life!
  132. good health for everyone by jon+doh! · · Score: 1

    1) make sure you have life insurance, especially if your wife is planning on staying home instead of having a job.

    2) make sure you have life insurance for your wife too.

    3) get FULL physical checkups for yourself, not just your wife when you find out she's pregnant. your health and your attitude towards your health is an important part of your childs upbringing. i never saw my dad go to the doctor for anything, and it gave me a sense of my own invincibility, right up until he died before 45. i now see the doctor every six months and have a COMPLETE checkup every year.

    4) whatever diet you're going to be on when you're raising the child, get used to it now. having your kid see you grimace at the thought of soysauge instead of real meat doesn't help him.

    5) baby proofing your house is important before the kid arrives. you will NOT have time to do it once s/he arrives.

    6) the hospital we chose gave classes in childbirth which were actually meant for anyone caring for an infant. included were instructions on how to give the baby a bath, when to worry and call the doctor, how to baby-proof your house, etc. lots of little things you don't think about until someone asks you. the best thing, and one you hope to never use is the baby CPR class. take it.

    a few things you'll notice now that you're a dad:

    1) 87% of public restrooms are filthy

    2) of the 13% that aren't filthy, you can't afford to be members at that particular establishment.

    3) most places weren't designed with the dad changing the diapers in mind. learn ahead of time which of your favorite restaurants/stores/etc. have changing stations in the mens room.

    4) if you get a baby monitor, we found it helps to have a small clock (that ticks and/or tocks) next to it in the kids room. that way we can tell if the monitor is working just by listening for the clock sounds. also helps fine tune it for whatever volume you'll need to be able to sleep and still hear the kid when they wake up.

    most of all, take time for your kid. there's no point in working 80 hour days to support your family if you never see them. i took two weeks off when my son was born to help my wife get used to everything, and despite the lack of sleep, i'd never give that experience up.

    oh, and sleep now. you really will never sleep again..

  133. RUN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.theonion.com/onion3911/you_and_me_and_b aby.html

  134. It's very simple, really. by lawpoop · · Score: 1
    Can all be explained in this simple children's book:

    Originally from somethingawful.com You have been warned.

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    Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
    -- Pablo Picasso
  135. A couple things by iankerickson · · Score: 1

    Child-rearing advice, I've found, comes in 3 kinds: universals, particulars, and then all the other crap.

    Universals you can learn from any reliable, scientific book on kids (ask your HMO. They may have free books for new parents). It's a matter of due diligence to be up on this stuff, so set aside a little time each day to read up on babies. I wouldn't waste my time on pop-culture child rearing books or anything more than 5-10 years old. Our scientific understanding of ourselves is a work in progress, so you want to be in possession of up-to-date information.

    2, particulars of a given kid. If there's one sure universal to kids, it's that their all different. Pay close attention to your child's health and behavior, compare notes with your spouse, and follow up on anything "wierd" that doesn't seem to be explained in the books. It may be personality, or it could be a health issue. My daughter cried for weeks continuously right from birth. It turned out she had a sinus infection from leftover placental mucus. The nurses tried to clear it with saline, but that wasn't enough. I shot a jet of 2-to-1 saline and hydrogen peroxide into her nostril with a medicine syringe, and after a month the infection never came back. She also has fairly clear breathing for a toddler... Often people ascribe symptoms to a child's personality, when it may actually be a health issue. The nurses said "Oh, she's just a fussy baby." Well, they may be right, but my daughter became much more easy-going once sinuses and ears were no longer jammed with crud. So pay close attention to the details, and compare them to what the books have to say, and if you can't find anything about it in the book, let it set off a red-flag in your mind. It may be nothing, or it may be just personality, but it may be the symptom of something more serious.

    Most child-rearing books have a "theory" to impart. I'll save you some time: their all complete, well-intentioned shit. Here's a theory: kids, like other baby animals, rehearse adulthood by playing. They also automatically develop language from their environment. If you want to teach your kids something:

    - Make a game out of it or find a way to "play" the activity.

    - Communicate as much and as early as possible with your kids, and insist they communcate in turn with you.

    These two are really the same thing. FE, I taught my daughter when she was only 6 months old how to request juice (by saying "APU!" in a funny voice. then giving her juice), how to refuse things (by saying "NO!" and shaking my head in a silly way) and not to put things in her mouth (by saying "YUCKY!!!" and making a ridiculous grimace). After that, the crying went down a lot. If she was thirsty, instead of crying she'd saying "Apu!". If she was about to eat something off the floor, I'd say "Yucky!" instead of screaming and hollering at her, and because "Yucky" is such a fun game, she'd laugh and put the object down. Once she was full and didn't want more food, she knew to say "No" or shake her head instead of bawling and screaming like she was just born. Eventually, we had another, more serious game called "Use words". When she would get upset, the rule in the house was "Use words. If you don't say what you want with words, you won't get it." Of course you make reasonable exceptions, But it helps a lot when they're bawling their brains out if you have a set of pre-established codes, like "Use Words", "Apu", "Food", "Owie", "Sleepy", etc. for whatever concepts you need to convey, especially when they get upset. As long as the codes are viewed as a fun game and not some sort form of reprimand, they'll react more positively and start "talking" with you early on (it's not really talking, but it's enough to communicate, like teaching a chimp sign language). For physical skills, like using a spoon or cup, just make a game out of it at first, and you'll be shocked how fast they'll pick it up, and you'll have more fun with your kids in the process.

    --
    Democracy. Whiskey. Sexy. Pick any two.
  136. Remember the law of conservation of energy by unitron · · Score: 1
    My law of conservation of energy:
    Children have such a seemingly endless supply of energy because they steal it from any adult who gets near them.

    Think of it as reverse broadcast power. This is why a few minutes in their company leaves you exhausted for several hours afterwards.

    --

    I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

  137. letting your baby cry is not a social faux pas! by snakeplissken · · Score: 1

    when children are very young they tend to cry at random when you are out in public, sometimes you can pacify them, sometimes you can't.
    this means that there are some places one shouldn't take such a child, i refer to places such as cinemas, theatres etc.
    anywhere else in public is fine, if the person behind you in the checkout at the supermarket has problems with the decibel level your child produces then they have the choice to go elsewhere! you are entitled to be there and you are not obliged to quieten your child with extraordinary methods - medicine, slapping, shouting etc.
    learn to relax when your child cries, this is easy to say but it can be done:) there is a tendency to feel that everyone around is looking at you disapprovingly, perhaps judging you in some way, when we feel ourselves to be the focus of attention we tend to stiffen up and limit our gaze forward. this gives off all the wrong signals, to onlookers it says 'yes i know i'm in the wrong, please forgive me!' to the child it communicates unease, which is unlikely to ease the crying.
    instead, make yourself relax your muscles a little, deliberately look around yourself, smile at people!
    do not get into an argument with any fuckwit who thinks they are entitled to a silent life, i say this because i did once and it made me soooo angry and had no productive outcome!
    crying is not misbehaviour and i've never punished my child becuase of it, misbehaviour in public however must be dealt with, but not necessarily at the time, if the child is older you can wait till you have control of the environment where you can discipline your child thoughtfully and not out of anger, younger children on the other hand will not benefit from any time seperating the 'offence' and the punishment, you will know your own child and her ability to reason and judge accordingly:)

    when my daughter was able to walk and fell down/bumped into something/burned herself she would often look up at the nearest adult to see how badly she should react, i noticed this because if her mother was nearest she (her mother) would go straight into 'oh no! poor baby!' mode and my daughter would bawl her head off, if i caught my daughter's eye however, i would put on a smile and say something like 'whoops a daisy!' and not make a fuss straight away, often my daughter would not make as much fuss as if her mother had been there, of course sometimes there was no avoiding a drama and i wouldn't want anyone to think i was less than caring on those occasions:)

    i've no other advice to impart that hasn't already been said other than,
    you will fuck up every now and then, it will seem like you have ruined your childs life, they will be set back/traumatised for ever etc.
    but
    your child will recover, they will still love you, and they will not fail in later life because of whatever it was you did wrong! all parents make mistakes, however it is doubtful that this last will help you much, if you truly love your child then your emotions won't allow you to accept this the first few times (i guess if they did we'd make even more mistakes?) you have to learn this by experience

    i'll end with - this is all personal experience - ymmv :) and everything i've said will have an exception at some point!

    snake

  138. Re:wipe warmer and car seats by The+Phantom+Mensch · · Score: 1

    Another advantage of a real infant car seat is that they're usually designed so that you can carry the baby in it. This is the best way to bring an infant into a restaurant or out visiting/shopping.

  139. File The Spindle Snaps Off The Kid DVDs by The+Phantom+Mensch · · Score: 1

    You'd think a DVD with no moving parts might be more rugged than a VHS tape but there's a problem with the packaging. Those stupid snapdown spindle hole things in DVD cases have already cost up us two DVDs. The kids will want to play them themselves at age 2 or so, but they won't have the finger strength/coordination to push down on the center and pull the edge of the DVD to pop it from the case properly. Instead the little darlings try to brute force the DVD out by yanking hard on the edge of the DVD, cracking it in the process. So use a dremel tool or equivalent to file down the snaps. The case is perfectly effective storage without them.

  140. Diaper Genie? No! Plastic grocery bags! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1
    My wife and I bag and throw away all dirty diapers (pee doesn't count - usually), but we've never used a Diaper Genie. How?

    Cashier: "Paper or plastic?"
    Me: "Plastic."
    Cashier: "Want your milk in a sack?"
    Me: "Yeah - could you double back it?"
    Cashier: "Sure. Want your bread and eggs in the same bag?"
    Me: "Nah, could you bag 'em seperately?"
    Cashier: "Sure! Have a nice day!"

    Seriously. We fold all of our grocery bags and put them in a used diaper-wipe box that we store in a little box with the diapers and wipes. Throw in a smelly diaper, tie the handles, and pitch it in the dumpster. Voila! A (relatively) nice-smelling kids' room.

    You can buy a Diaper Genie if you want, but you can get the same functionality for free if you're willing to recycle the bags you would've thrown away anyhow.

    --
    Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
  141. Spam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After many years of reading slashdot news, and after many attempts at posting RELEVANT info here and always being knocked back, I see this at the top of the page... well done slashdot, i see the moderators are always on the ball here

  142. The day of delivery by Evets · · Score: 1

    I'm a new parent as of March 12. The one piece of advice I can give you that really will make a difference is this: Do not under any circumstances tell anyone when your wife goes into labor. It will be difficult to not fill in the family, and the grandparents will be upset to not be included in the experience, but your first few hours with your baby shouldn't be shared with 10+ family members. Your wife will want to feed the baby, and you will just want to sit and stare at her/him for awhile. There will be plenty of time for visits when you three get home.

    1. Re:The day of delivery by Evets · · Score: 1

      One other thing... Put some cash in your bag for cafateria(sp?) food over the hospital stay. Both my wife and I lost our ATM cards within a week of delivery (hers stolen, mine left in a machine), and I ran out of cash on day #2.

  143. Birth of a Father by Medieval_Thinker · · Score: 1

    When my wife was expecting our first, a friend of mine gave me a book called _Birth_of_a_Father_. I read it and have often thought the advice was good.

    In short you should trust your instincts. If it seems right, it probably is, and you should just ignore the disapproving looks from the grandmotherly types at the park who think children should be in an extra 20 layers of clothes or steel-toe boots.

    My wife and I had been married 13 years when our first was born, and I wasn't sure how well I would adapt to the changes. At the risk of sounding trite or redundant, there is an organic quality to it, and it all just works. The experiences changes you in ways you wouldn't expect, and you will like the changes.

  144. Re:wipe warmer and car seats - YES by jackb_guppy · · Score: 1

    In northern climates, wiper warmers for the first few months DURING winter, is a very nice to have, if the changing area is along an outside wall.

    A carry-in baby caddy/infant car seat is BUY IT NOW! Do no wait! If you have two cars, buy the extra base!!! So the carrier can be in any car. Hell even buy one for Grandma's Car.

    It is so nice to be able to get outside, or go to a good meal, with the bady sleeping. Remember: sleeping baby at dinner basicily ends around 9 months. After that Dennys will be the gormet resturant of choice until the youngest is at least 12 years.

  145. Re:Childproof now! - rent a child! by jackb_guppy · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you have freinds with kids - in the 18 months to 2 year range (younger can help but most do not move as fast!)

    "Rent them for a Day"

    You will never think of the stuff in your house that is unsafe -- until you watch one of these kids - take it a part.

    A book case with large books at the bottom and the "kid" books at the top. Either bottom boooks are stairs or a chair/box/toys are used.

    A flower pot is turned over. You ask how a child that is 20 pounds can turn over a large 50 pound flower pot. EASY.

  146. Random Suggestions by rjwoodhead · · Score: 1

    * check out water birth. Sounds weird but my wife swears it greatly reduced the pain for her two deliveries. If your wife has a sense of humor, bring score cards (5.9, 5.9, 5.9 and a 5.6 from the east german nurse)

    * get one of the little massage doohickies that is shaped like a ball, with 4 legs each with a small ball on the end. They are made out of wood. These are perfect for counterpressure massage on the back during delivery. Your wife will want counterpressure, and if you don't get one of these, your thumbs will have bruises on them.

    * Keep the baby in the bedroom with you. If you are not comfortable with having it in the bed with you, mount the bassinette on a stand next to your wife's side of the bed so that when the baby declares it is feeding time, all she has to do is roll over, grab, and plug the kid in for a quick top-up. No getting out of bed. Trust me, this is a huge win; another reason why breast is best. After the first week, you'll sleep through the feedings. After the second week, SHE'LL sleep through the feedings. Plus, no need for a baby monitor, and if something does happen to the baby's breathing pattern, you WILL wake up.

    * She handles input. You handle output.

    * Some babies have trouble lying down after a feed, the milk backs up a bit. I built a small foam platform for our first that put him on a 10-degree angle, with little side bumpers to keep him from rolling off. Problem solved.

    * When baby starts cruising (standing up and moving while holding on to things), if you want to get her walking, try this trick. Put two chairs close together with the seats facing. With baby standing holding one chair, get her to move to the other one (transferring her handholds). Go back and forth, slowly increasing the distance between chairs, and you'll be amazed at how quickly she learns to walk. Took me less than an hour to get my first up to the 5-6 step range. And best of all, since it is "scheduled" you can tape baby's first steps.

    * If you can manage to sucker your wife into working while you take care of the kids, do it. In particular if you can work out of the house.

    Enjoy.

    --
    "World Domination - a fun, family activity"
  147. Remember your wife. by wfrp01 · · Score: 1

    Children can be all-consuming. Don't get so wrapped up in it that you forget about your wonderful wife. Finding time to do the things you used to do as a couple will become difficult. If you have family nearby, that can be a big help. It's easier to go out with an infant than with a toddler - they can't move, they mostly just eat and sleep (unless cursed w/ colic). Go out now, while you can. You can't shut kids off. They are 100% your responsibility, 24 hours a day. But you need a break. You both need to take breaks together. Find a babysitter. If you don't do these things, you may wake up one day wondering why you're living with a stranger.

    --

    --Lawrence Lessig for Congress!
  148. Re:Buy your wife a gliding rocker - w/ closed side by jackb_guppy · · Score: 1

    My wife got that nice gliding rocker. She placed in the baby room and enjoyed. It was about 9 months later when my wife was sleeping in the chair, and first daughter had her arm thought the side slats trying for a toy, that I realized how wrong that chair was. I had to stand there and wait for my child to finish or get board. Becuase waking my wife would have most likly broken my daughter's arm.

    We still have chair - and two more kids have riden in it. But my wife makes it point not to sit in the chair IF SHE IS SLEEPY.

  149. Re:It's not a Sacrifice by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
    My wife is pregnant now (Oct 25th is the due date), and I've been going through a lot of changes myself.

    The big one was realizing that live is all about choosing what is important to you. In my mind putting a career into suspended animation to raise a child is no sacrifice at all. As if taking time out to run to the bathroom is a sacrifice.

    My other realization is how quickly life can change for the better when you grab the reigns and control the team yourself. You aren't a passive participant in all this. You have arrived there after a series of deliberate decisions. The question is only how seriously did you take those decisions.

    Having a kid is not a matter of bumbling around and hoping everything works out for the better. You and your SO really need to sit down, figure out how you are going to work this child into your life, and work from there.

    What worked for me and my wife:

    • We are moving from a swanky one-bedroom in center city to a row home. The mortgage on a 80k house is $200 cheaper than our present rent.
    • We are sticking with our car. It's small, but it will be paid for in August.
    • We both agree that we are going to only have 1
    • My toy budget is now the baby's toy budget
    • If my wife lands a job after the baby is born, I'm going to stay home with the kid.
    These are all grown up decisions, that have to work for you and your spouse. There is no right answer, remember that. And remember that a lot of well meaning people are ready to share their ideas with you at a moment's notice. That said, the decisions are yours alone to make.
    --
    "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
    --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
  150. Re:Diaper Genie? No! Plastic grocery bags! by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 1
    I do the same thing with cat litter.

    IKEA has a pretty nice recycled (before you re-use it) holder. It mounts to the wall, and when you unload a grocery bag, you just stuff it in the rack until you need it.

    I'll still toss the bag into a diaper pail. We don't have an outside trash can in our Apartment (but the new house will.)

    --
    "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
    --Dr.W.Edwards Deming
  151. If it's a boy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's a boy, please don't name him Bilbo.
    (and if it's a girl, Bilba or Bilbette won't do either)

  152. Touch screen and sling... by Maria+D · · Score: 1

    Well, some fun things and activities for the baby... Thing number one is called a sling, or "over the shoulder carrier". With a baby in the sling, you can type your dissertation (as I did), walk around and participate in some of your regular activities, such as cleaning, reading :-) or giving talk at seminars (as I also did) - all without bothering the baby. It is much easier to travel, to calm the baby during troubled night times, etc. if the baby is nursing... Log onto La Leche League for info on how to prepare for that and how to support your wife's nursing.

    A computer is a great baby toy. Put some pretty pictures into PowerPoint - the baby will bang on keyboard and each bang will produce a new slide. It helps a lot with those colics at three or four month of age and later too. When the baby is about nine or ten month, you can get a touchscreen - the one that is clapped onto your regular computer screen. It costs around one hundred dollars... But then the baby can play computer games meaningfully, while with the mouse it will take about another year until the coordination catches up... Reader Rabbit Baby and Reader Rabbit Toddler are good beginner games.

  153. Re:wipe warmer and car seats by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    Don't be afraid to drop cash on a nice infant seat.

    And do NOT consider the leather seat seen a babies r us. I saw a woman buying one of these a few weeks ago, and just laughed my ass off. $400 for a black leather baby car seat. Hot/cold, and it WILL get crap spilled on it.

  154. enjoy it while the kid is young by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    It only gets harder the older they get. For the first year, being able to put them down somewhere, and know exactly where they are is a blessing. Once they are mobile, things go downhill...:)

  155. Buy more towels -- you'll figure out the rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [Based on a 5 year old and 3 year old]

    1) Buy more towels. This may sound really stupid, but when the kid makes a mess (either end), the thing that will quickly ease your stress the most will be a clean towel readily at hand. I mean readily, not halfway across the house or up the stairs, I mean two steps. My first daughter was a spitter, semi projectile vomiting (even once on a cat 5 feet away!) at least once a day for two months, and nothing felt better than cleaning it up quickly. I had 4 dozen hand towels, and 2 dozen washcloths, and I never felt like I had too many.

    2) Everything else you will have time to figure out. And you will, given love and patience.

    3) As a minor point, don't tell everybody the actual due date, but the date that the OB will insist on an induction. My boss told everybody the actual date, and so for two weeks, the first words out of his mouth every phone call were "No, no news yet!"

    As Dr. Benjamin Spock said, in the immortal first words of his classic "Baby and Child Care" -- "You know more about taking care of babies than you think!"

  156. Start getting used to no sleep.. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    You wont get any for the next couple of years :)

    And one of you needs to quit your job and stay home with the child. Sure its hard, but its called sacrifice.

    Best thing a parent can do for a kid is BE THERE, not ship them off to be raised by community centers ( ie daycare/sitter ).

    --
    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  157. Start with Duplos by sphealey · · Score: 1
    Buy legos. Looottttsss of legos. =)
    Babies do better with Duplos (4x the size of normal Legos).

    Also, start a set of maple unit blocks - we have several hundred of them now and the guys still use them every day as the oldest approaches 11.

    Forget about most junky and flashy plastic toys and electronic gizmos though - the rumours about kids having more fun with the empty box are quite true.

    sPh

  158. Epidurals by Pseudonym · · Score: 1
    Epidurals are a godsend. We live in the 21st century. Modern medicine is a GOOD thing. Don't be afraid to take advantage of it.

    This is very bad advice.

    Don't get me wrong. Epidurals are great if a) you need one, and b) it works for you. However, there are some issues you need to consider.

    First is the comment from the AC that epidurals do increase the risk of complications. This is true.

    Secondly, they can be damn inconvenient. We went through a 36 hour labour (breech), and the doctor wanted the epidural in place just in case an emergency C-section was necessary. (Breech births rarely need a C-section, but it was prudent to have it in place.) Well, it was hell. Imagine sitting on your tailbone for 20 hours, unable to get up and walk around. Compare this with what women naturally want to do in labour (i.e. get up and walk around).

    Thirdly, babies come when they want to. If you live in a small town, for example, your local hospital may not have an anaesthetist there 24 hours a day (on call for emergencies only), so the epidural may not be an option. You do not want to be in the position where you have to do a drug-free labour which you are not prepared for.

    I recommend this site which was started by my wife during her pregnancy with our first child, and hacked up a lot since then. It's based on all the research which we did. Go look.

    --
    sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
  159. Re:Google for kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    50% of the moderators found this post informative.... Strange...

  160. Can we get some fucking DEAD BABY JOKES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    Dead Baby Jokes in tha Hizzouse!!

  161. Sure! Here you go! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Q: What is blue and yellow and found at the bottom of a pool?
    A: A baby with slashed floaties.

    Q: What is green-black and yellow and found at the bottom of a pool?
    A: The same baby three weeks later.

    Q: What's charred black and smells really bad?
    A: A baby playing with a blow torch.

    Q. What was the baby doing on the wall?
    A. Playing darts. It was the board.

    Q. What was the baby doing on the table?
    A. Lying on its tummy. It was the pin cushion.

    Q: What is 18" long, cold and stiff, and makes a woman scream in the morning?
    A: Crib death.

    Q: What's more fun than nailing a baby to a fence?
    A: Ripping it back off.

  162. My advice by chad_r · · Score: 1

    Tape over the reset button on the computer
    Use journaling filesystems, since he/she will eventually bypass the tape
    Leave some sacraficial floppies/CDs around, to keep him/her away from the real ones
    Tivo. Live TV will no longer be an option

  163. Re:wipe warmer and car seats by mosch · · Score: 1

    When it comes to car seats, Britax is where it's at. For travel, get the pack n' play, the one with the optional music, massage and such. Yes, it sounds retarded, but babies love it, it's money well spent.

  164. your relationship by drunk_as_in_beer · · Score: 1

    your relationship with your wife is going to change a bit. it won't be quite the same once the baby is in your lives. try to slip her the dick every once in a while to keep things going. or at least give her head when the oportunity is there. and these opportunities will be very very very rare.

    since you still got plenty of time, keep things going til maybe 1 month before the due date. it'll be a bit more difficult because your wife is in a completely different state, but do take care of her needs as best you can.

    --
    --Drunk as in Beer
  165. Re:wipe warmer and car seats - YES by demonlapin · · Score: 1
    From someone who has no children: thank you for not taking your baby to every single restaurant on the planet.

    You have no idea how much I appreciate that.

  166. Online Photo Gallery by Soulfader · · Score: 1

    I've seen and heard shiny things about Gallery, though I have not tried it out myself.

  167. music too! by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 1

    I've read no posts about including music in the upbringing of your child. Any music that is heard often in the womb will result in a very special experience for the child if he ever hears it again once born.

    The carseat is for cars - otherwise, keep your baby close to you, on your body. When you walk and move, the baby learns rhythm and balance. Then be amazed when the child is old enough to walk, and when placed on two feet for the first time, walks away on his own. Hey, maybe those African tribes in the middle of no where actually do know something.

    Studies show musical taste is determined by age 3, so enjoy a wide variety of music so you child may enjoy a wide variety of music as he grows.

    Best of all, make music with your child (do trust your childs mood when engaging in such activities - if he feels like it, go for it, if not, let it go). Your singing, or guitar playing, or drumming, or whatever you do - it IS good enough for you and your child. Sing and play games, and dance around, and have fun! Music is all about celebrating life!

    --
    Spoon not. Fork, or fork not. There is no spoon.
  168. Be flexible... by wrttnwrd · · Score: 1

    The big thing is, try not to plan out the next five years of your life. No matter WHAT you think, good or bad, you can't predict the changes a child brings. Keep seeing your friends, and keep taking your wife out for nice dinners. Or bring her flowers now and again. And MAKE SURE YOU GET UP WITH THE BABY ONCE IN A WHILE. These are the keys to domestic tranquility. Take your baby to the zoo and the aquarium. They love it. And teach them to use a mouse early... And enjoy it! Diapers, sniffles, midnight feedings and all, my wife and I have had so much fun with our first, we went ahead and had a second!

  169. about the baby monitor by cerenyx · · Score: 1

    Secondly, baby monitors can wreck havoc upon wifi systems, even if they aren't in the same frequency range. Don't ask me how, I have stopped trying to figure it out. We only use the monitor when it is necessary. ... that's because while the monitor may be at a different frequency range, the sub-sonic and super-sonic wails of the baby cross frequency boundaries and fsck with your wi-fi.

  170. Don't have any pre-concieved notions by james_shoemaker · · Score: 1

    Parenthood can be the easiest and hardest thing you will ever do at the same time. My wife had an extremely hard time having our daughter, she had nausea from day one until she checked into the hospital at month 6 for her 6 week stay until she delivered (by emergency C-section).
    The fun didn't stop there, our new daughter developed a antibiotic resistant staph infection and spent 6 weeks in the Neonatal ICU. Half-way through the stay in the NICU I was laid off. My wife's C-section incision diddn't close properly requiring daily trips to the hospital to get it packed for 10 weeks.
    Then we start to notice she is progressing a little slower than she should be. Our Pediatrician said to not worry about it and that it was probably just because she was early. The developmental delays continued and did not improve with the ped telling us not to worry. My mom asked if she could get a second opinion and she volunteered to take our daughter to another ped.
    He had another complete opinion, and after consulting with him we started getting shots for RSV and our daughter now has a collection of therapists that come to our house every week to give our daughter therapy for the Cereberal Palsy that our original pediatrician completely missed.
    The therapists say that our nearly 1 year old is physically at around 5-7 months, but mentally at around 14-16 months. With therapy, splints, and possibly surgeries she should have no troubles and catch up with her peers eventually, but what if we hadn't gotten that second opinion.
    Even with all her problems she is the happiest baby I and all her therapists have ever seen, she always has a smile on her face, has slept 7-10 hours nightly since we brought her home from the hospital, can play independently for hours at a time, and is generally a joy to have around. Sometimes it is a little painful to see her with her cousins who are developmentally normal, but her smiling face and giggles make up for it.
    She was a complete OOPS, but I wouldn't go back and change it and neither would my wife.

  171. Uh . . . by xScruffx · · Score: 1

    Well, congratulations on the daddy thing.

    It does bother me somewhat, though, that somebody would ask us bunch of fools how to raise a child.

    I guess the best advice I can give is that you should forsake any and all advice and just go with your instinct. If it was good enough for the Flintstones, it's good enough for us.

    xScruffx

  172. I know much has been said days ago, but.... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    I just now noticed this msg. thread - and hopefully this info/advice helps!

    1. Beware an invasion of your privacy by the state! Because my wife happened to have some info on her health records/history about an attempted suicide incident back when she was 15, the state saw fit to force social workers upon us in the hospital recovery room, right after our first daughter was born. Attempts to let them know they weren't really welcome at that particular time only made matters worse.

    2. Be prepared to have *much* less free time than you're accustomed to - but don't go overboard either. (I found that I got all kinds of pressure to spend "more time with my kid", because after all, "they grow up before you know it!". Don't discard the value of putting in some time to earn much-needed money merely out of a guilt-trip others lay on you about not spending all that time with your child. He/she won't really remember what you did anyway at less than 1 year old.)

  173. two incomes == total hassle by ansonyumo · · Score: 1

    My only sage advice is that you and your wife sit down and decide who is going to bring home the bacon and who is going to raise the children. I wish I had been given this option when we had our first child 7 years ago, but I made a lot more than my wife so the question was moot. Two incomes will never amount to the riches you give your children by having a parent raise them fulltime. I have many friends who do the two income thing, and they often marvel at how well-adjusted, well-behaved and happy our three children are. Slimming down to one income is a daunting proposition, I know. But it is definitely one to consider.

    Best of luck, and congratulations!

  174. Leave The Wife At Home by _Neurotic · · Score: 1

    Seriously, my wife is a professional critical care nurse. She's good at it, she loves it, but it's not more important to her than our children.

    She's been mostly home since we started having kids (30 month old boy, 9 month old girl) working only enough to get a break from the kids (though not at all for the last 9 months) and our kids are reaping the benefits. Day care can never be an adequate replacement for 24/7 mother care.

    Now before you go off about money, let me say that I ain't rich. I make a decent living but the mortgage is mighty steep to match. The money has been very tight for the last few years with only one income but it is worth every penny lost to know our kids are being raised by their mother!

  175. Advice from a dad of two by Pete+McCabe · · Score: 1
    Here's what I've learned (and can remember) from my two sons, one 3.5 years and the other 4 months old.

    Before birth:

    Put a tennis ball in the bag you bring to the hospital. Then use it to massage your wife's back, so your fingers don't get exhausted in the first 30 minutes.

    After:

    Buy a copy of the book Babywise by Ezzo and somebody. My 4 month old son started sleeping through the night at 8 weeks. Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child by Weissman (?) is also good.

    Put the baby to sleep in its own room as soon as possible. One week is not too soon. You will sleep better, and the baby will too.

    Punishment will never encourage a good behavior. Only reward will encourage a good behavior. Punishment can be used to (temporarily) suspend a bad behavior, but you must then do something to encourage the good behavior, so you can reward it. Punishment by itself, without an encouragement/reward follow up, is perilously close to abuse.

    Buy a PVR. No question. This is by far the best way to not only let you watch some tv, but also to let you control the tv the kid watches. Just don't let the kid watch tv while you're feeding it. This may mean you can't watch tv while feeding the kid. Sorry about that.

    Remember: your kid can adjust to anything, and the sooner you start, the easier it will be for them.

    Your kid will do what you do. If you want them to learn to clean up after themself, clean up after yourself. If you want them to be polite, be polite. Etc.

    Finally, there are really only two things you need, to be a great dad:

    1) You have to be willing to give up anything and everything at any given moment to do something for your kid.

    2) Patience. Patience is great because it's one of the very few virtues that you can always figure out, even if you don't really have it. I mean, if you don't have wisdom, you can't just say "what would a wiser person do" because you're just not that wise. But you can almost always tell what a more patient person would do in any situation. Then do that.

    I always laugh to hear people say that kids can out-stubborn adults. I'm 42. My oldest son is 3. Ten minutes is an eternity to him. He has never outlasted me in any contest of wills.

  176. My 2cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have two kids (3yrs and 8 months) and the best pieces of advice are as follows:

    -Get used to eating (out) dinner at 4pm...the restaurants are not crowded, this seems to be the most family friendly time for eating and chi-ren dont yet grasp the idea of waiting...ie: waiting for your food to come out

    -Simethicone drops in EVERY bottle...our son was premature by 5 weeks and had reflux something fierce...he was on Zantac and Reglen...the reflux alone caused him to spit up his bottles at each feeding...the simethicone drops removed the gas/bubbles from his bottles and helped to minimize the spewing burps as i call them

    -eat dinner together...you and your spouse will have little enough time together...sit down and talk when you can

    -video or take pictures ....time will go by so quickly...you'll kick yourself later when your baby is 2 and you have no pictures of their early years

    -get used to not having a clean house..."real" parents know that you have kids and don't/won't expect your house to be spotless

    -up your life insurance...if you and your wife decide that she or you will stay home...the burden of the single income bread winner becomes very serious...you arenow making decisions that will affect all of you not just the single you...if you were to get hit by a truck tomorrow, would they be taken care of.

    hope this helps.....enjoy the experience (minus the sleep)

  177. Double Standards....... I don't like them. by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

    Why do you we have higher moral expectations from our daughters than we have for our sons? Why is the burden on the female to retain her morality while the boys get to "sow" their oats?

    Don't boys get a hearty chuckle, a pat on the back and a knowing grin when they brag about sleeping with either a hot girl, many girls, or both?

    Why can't your daughters get the same positive acknolwedgement for banging a number of boys? Oh yeah I forgot because in the boy's case he'd be a stud (A good thing) while the girl would just be a slut. (A bad thing)

    --
    Mac OS X and Windows XP working side by side to fight back the night.
    1. Re:Double Standards....... I don't like them. by CharlieG · · Score: 1

      Who says my son would get a pat on the back - He'd get a kick in the pats, just like I would have?

      It's just that you worry about daughters more (as a Dad), I think Mom worries more about the Son. It's natural - remember, I remember what I was like as a teenager, so I worry. I'm sure my wife remembers what she was like, so she worries

      A quote I once heard "Dad, why are you worrying about my boyfreind, he's just like you?" And the response "That's what I'm worrying about!"

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      -- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! "You are what you do when it counts" - the Masso
  178. Oh yes it is. by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

    Not very good advice. It places both the child and parent in physical danger. I've seen people attacked when they didn't seem to be doing enough to quiet their child down, especially in movie theatres but also in supermarkets.

    --
    Mac OS X and Windows XP working side by side to fight back the night.
  179. Priorities by why-is-it · · Score: 1

    We sometimes work long hours, and that will either come to an end or we'll put in lots of effort to work around that.

    The people who I think are really good parents are the ones who'se priorities really changed after the baby arrived. Their family became priority #1 and the career comes second.

    I hope that the repugnant notion of "quality time" is truly dead and buried. It is difficult to imagine that parents tried to justify that a couple of hours of quality time on the week-end would more than compensate for all of the extra hours spent at the office.

    Speaking as the child of a workaholic, I have vivid memories of all the significant events in my life that my Dad was never able to attend because he was "busy working". He likes to remind us of all the extras our family could afford as a result, but it does not seem to have been worth it. Given the choice, I think my siblings and I would have preferred to have a Dad instead of the extended vacations (which he never had the time to take part in anyways.)

    Time is the most precious commodity there is. It is the most valuable thing that you can give your children. Sure, there are bills to pay but do not let the pursuit of money interfere with the most important role in your life: being someone's Dad.

    --
    *** Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?
  180. Head Noise by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    Having children is like having a bowling alley installed in your brain. -- Martin Mull

  181. Step 1: Somebody (try to) stay home by Da_Biz · · Score: 1

    From my anecdotal observations of friends with kids, I'd note that someone needs to try to stay home. The service levels at day cares are pretty decent, but nothing beats having a mom or dad there.

    I've had friends of mine come from families that did just fine on something akin to an entry level sysadmin job. Sure, they didn't have three SUVs and a big house in suburbia, but I'd say that they got a much better quality of life than the kids who got shipped off to day care.

    Quite frankly, I used to make a sizeable amount of money and tool around in a Mercedes. These days, I make less, drive a Chevy beater, live a simpler life, but am happier. I'm discovering that I don't really need all the expensive toys to feel good about myself or be happy. Friends, warm clothes, good food and an occasional bottle of nice wine suffice me fine. Reading Slashdot certainly doesn't hurt :-)

  182. Use hearing protection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One thing I have found to be indispensible is to have industrial quality hearing protection available for you to use. It really works to take the edge off the screaming/crying of a baby, and lets you perform whatever task you need to do with a smile on your face and happiness in your spirit.

    You will be able to hear what you need to hear, and reduce the number of headaches you will get from a small creature screaming right beside your head!

    (Yes, I am a 3 times Dad, too, and my wife agrees with wearing these!)

  183. Some thoughts from a new parent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - Be there for your wife and child, work at home if possible. Let your wife take off work or not work at all (see breast feeding)

    - Use cloth diapers. www.kissaluvs.com makes fantastic fitted ones with plastic snaps. There are a lot of reasons to do this over disposables.

    - Be there for your wife and child.

    - Breast feed. It's tough and can be very tough if there are complications. The sacrifice will pay off for the rest of your childs life.

    - Be there for your wife and child.

    - The birth can be anything from a 1 minute push to 5 hours of pushing and a c-section. Be prepared for anything.

    - Be there for your wife and child.

    - Find a nurse or doula who your wife likes and will be there with your wife for the whole pregnancy. Hospital nurses and the shift changes can be a very unsatisfying experience in a long labor.

    - Don't try to stay on any sort of schedule, a baby does not care what time of day it is.

    I work at home for myself and my wife doesn't have to work. We stagger our sleep schedules, so ones of us is awake all the time, babies can wake up every couple of hours!

    Having a child is actually a pretty unstressful and satisfying experience if your organize your life to be a parent and spouse. If you want to be a worker bee, having a child will not be a lot of fun.

  184. Cloth diapers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would agree that old school cloth diapers are a lot of unnecessary work. However, if you research the topic properly there are fitted cloth diapers with plastic snaps that are easier to put on than disposables and fit better, no ugly blowouts. www.kissaluvs.com is where I got mine.

    I use cloth diapers, it's one load of laundry a day, it costs less in the long run, it's better for the childs skin, they learn to use the toilet sooner, the gel they use in most disposables is very nasty stuff that can cause sterility and it's better for the environment.

  185. Or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Breast feed and eat a healthy diet, no garbage or pollutants (chocolate, alcohol, processed crap, etc.)

  186. Re:Advice is good, books are better + geek gift id by thechuckbenz · · Score: 1

    One book I liked reading was "The New Father: A Dad's Guide to the First Year".

  187. Re:Advice is good, books are better + geek gift id by thechuckbenz · · Score: 1

    Whoops - there are several in the series now. What I read was "The Expectant Father: Facts, Tips, and Advice for Dads-To-Be". That was back in '95, when (I think) it had just come out.

  188. Leaving your baby to cry makes them not trust you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kids don't cry at "random", there is a reason for everything. Not everything is easy to pacify and just leaving your kid to cry makes your kid not trust you - there have been studies on this.

    You need to figure out why the kid is crying and fix the problem.

    I also think it is completely obnoxious and shows complete ineptness as a parent to leave your child to scream uncontrollably in public.

  189. More advice for Dad (better late than never) by John+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    My second child is only 11 days old now... so I'm reading /. over a week behind. However, some things were neglected above:

    1) The importance of sleeping NOW, before baby arrives. I know you thought they mentioned it enough, but SLEEP NOW or you shan't for months.

    2) Cloth diapers rock. Yeah, they're a pain to learn to put on right (but you're a geek and you'll understand the logic behind the folding patterns so it's not so bad) and the first week you'll want to give up. However, they're cheaper, better for the environment, and are delivered to your door if you pick the right folks! I can't push Tiny Tots enough if you're anywhere in the greater SF/SJ Bay Area. It used to be worse for the environment but not any more - better washers and extrication - aint tech grand? And by law, you're supposed to rinse out paper diapers before throwing them away (can't put human excrement in the landfills, I know no one does it but it's still on the books) and the diaper companies actually ask you not to clean out the poop.

    3) Breastfeeding is the best *BUT* don't let the Breastfeeding Nazis get a hold of you. My wife had really bad problems (blood and gobbets of flesh coming off, erg) with the first and it was awfully hard to throw off the brainwashing and use formula as a supplement. With this one we're using it when necessary and it's not perfect (some previous people mentioned the problems) but it's better than a chewed-up wife. Trust me.

    4) Sleep now!

    5) Make nice with your boss so you can be more flexible with your time away from work. You want to see your kid!

    6) <preach>Figure out how to get one of you to stay at home with the kid. I don't care how, just do it. Read like mad to them. Read like mad around them. They'll pick up from your behavior what's important. Talk to them like adults and they'll behave well. Treat them like babies and they'll behave like it. They have brains (lots, based on you) and they'll use them. Your family is now your top priority. Period. Show that to them. </preach>

    7) Sleep NOW.

    8) Trust your instincts. We did things exactly the opposite of a number of posters, and exactly the same as others. Ignore anyone who tells you something that doesn't fit with your views, even if it's your mother. Especially if it's your mother!

    9) Did I mention to sleep now?

    Congrats and good luck... holler if you need more opinions! johnqatmpsce dott com