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Disney to Make Movies Available Online
musiholic writes "Disney has cut a deal with Movielink to make various Disney (and Disney subsidary) films available for 30-day paid downloads. Users can watch the film an unlimited amount of times before the movie expires. The movies requre Real Player or WMP."
Ah, a new hell for us parents:
"IS THE DOWNLOAD DONE YET?"
"No, 63% to go."
"IS THE DOWNLOAD DONE YET?"
"No, 62% to go."
"IS THE DOWNLOAD DONE YET?"
"No, 61% to go."
"IS THE DOWNLOAD DONE YET?"
"sigh"
I'm much funnier now that I'm a subscriber.
Now if only the RIAA could follow this lead. I don't seen anyone hating disney - oh wait, they're not suing the youth of America.
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I can't believe Disney actually came up with this. But what prevents the people who pay for the movie to share it?
I don't watch movies on my computer screen. I watch them on my TV.
Users can watch the film an unlimited amount of times before the movie expires.
What's to stop me from using a screen capture program while I'm playing it to make an unexpiring copy for myself?
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Or is this going to be just as expensive, but require the introduction of DRM crap into the holy of holies that is my machine. (Which implies that it's DOA, as far as I'm concerned.)
That, and I wouldn't give the jackbooted DMCA-wielding, CTEA bribing thugs at Disney a cent, anyway. Mickey Mouse can suck my cock.
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I like this idea. It's pretty much a lazy-man's Blockbuster. If the price is right, I see this idea taking off and spreading to all film-makers.
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who swore they'd never let their IP be put on the new fangled VCR.
On the other hand you can bet your ass there will be DRM out the wazoo on these files. It will be interesting seeing how quickly they can be removed.
I bet the FIRST trick is make it too big to be burned to a CDR.
It's Christmas everyday with BitTorrent.
I was trying to find out if the Linux version of Real player was supported, but it blocks anyone not in the US.
Guess they haven't quite got the hang of the fact that the biggest advantage of the internet is it's worldwide reach yet.
Beep beep.
Should be fun, but I don't think the disney rental world is the best for downloaded time stamped movies. I know as a parent, the KID movies are the ones you end up BUYING, as they are most likely to be watched over and over and over again for the next several years... and disney is the most common of that genre. Though if it's not TOO expensive I would probably try it... and if they tied it into a discount if you purchase the DVD... hmmmmmm
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no more waiting for movies on DVD to rip em and put em on p2p now those "REAL SCREENER" files will be replaced with "REAL MOVIELINK RIP"
This is closer to renting a movie than anything else, aside from the 30-day storage option. From the story: Customers will be able to store movies for up to 30 days. Over that span, they can watch a movie as many times as they wish in a 24-hour period.
Another article is more detailed: The movie files can be viewed on a PC or on a television connected to a computer, but customers have a maximum of 30 days to begin watching their downloaded movie. Once they begin to do so, the movie can be viewed only over the next 24 hours.This is exactly I want and therefore I assume arrogantly that it's what everyone else wants. 30 days is enough to get bored of a movie, and downloading is so much easier than going to the DVD store.
Now, perhaps a collaboration with some P2P distribution system so that I can actually profit from that fat line I have.
Excellent work, oh Disney. Now perhaps you can go and review that thing about stealing the world's folk histories but trying to copyright Mickey Mouse for infinity. Share and share, it's good for your cultural soul.
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If this is going to be targeting the broadband users, then why don't they use a better codec? I know I'm burning karma here, but I'd rather see the movies in mpeg4 or divx form.
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How do they make the movie "expire" so you can't watch it after a certain amount of days? Sounds to me like some problems could arise, with cracks etc? I can't look at Movielink's page since I'm outside the US, it just shows me the message that it's only available to US citizens :/. So I can't find the information there.
I think disney sees two things: 1) downloaders of their movies are not part of the demographic who would by the movies, therefore, the d/l'ers would never buy the video in the first place. 2) They produce a lot of terrible movies (sequels mainly) that are probably more expensive to put onto store shelves than the make.
So that's all I have to say.
It's more convenient for a home-user to go and rent a dvd for that price, sure. But think about the tech-consultancy-slaves stuck in podunk, ID, with hotel broadband, a laptop, and nothing in the world to do between 9pm and dawn...
Marketed right, there's crazy big money to be made.
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I would think that this sort of thing would work out as well or better for mainstream films than for kids movies.
Pros:
Same price as a VHS/DVD rental
Don't have to leave the house
Don't have to be worried about availability
Unlimited viewings for 30 days
Nothing to return
Cons:
Requires a computer
Requires a reasonable internet connection
Have to have the proper software installed
Have to have a credit card
Have to watch on computer monitor
Have to wait for download
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I must say I'm happy that these kind of services is coming out, but 30 days? No that's not good enough. I want to be able to download the movie in SVCD or DVD format to burn so I can watch it on my standalone.
I would gladly pay 5-10 dollars for one movie with no restrictions, no ads and no extras (could pay more if I wanted the extras).
Guess it's going to be a while before that happens.
I wonder if they will have the 1959 animated short Donald Duck in Mathemagic Land?
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I wonder if I can watch these movies with VLC (Videolan Player, www.videolan.org), which is my preferred movie player on my Mac OS X machine.
It seems they're adding new codecs on a weekly basis, and when I'm lucky they left out the DRM-thing.
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Why is it that the second a company tries to release it's hold over it's own copyright content, the first thought that crosses your mind is how to rip it off?
I thought that the motivation behind my question was obvious enough but apparently not...
I was pointing out that it was kind of silly for Disney to be selling these expiring movie files when it would be easy for anyone to get around it. I have no plans to "rip off" Disney because I simply cannot stand the rediculous crap they put out (and, fortunately, I don't have kids that insist I sit through it with them). I'm just pointing out that since it's so easy to circumvent their "expiration" approach, why don't they just let consumers download non-expiring versions and charge a few extra bucks?
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Disney seems to get a lot of grief, but it does seem that they are able to take some risks every once in a while. Disney said they'd never release their animated classics on DVD, but they did (and they've made a lot of money on them). Disney feared VHS/DVD, now they embrace it. Disney fears the Internet, but now it seems they are trying to embrace it.
Do a search on "Moviebeam" and check out what else they're up to. Moviebeam is a TiVo like service that beams digital movies over the broadcast airwaves (encyrpted of course) to a set to box. The box stores something like 100 movies that a person can purchase for viewing on demand.
Disney gets a lot of flack, but at least they experiment.
Dear Disney, I have two children. They are demanding. What the hell makes you think they are going to wait for a goddamn movie to download? My two year old son throws a fit if I can't put the Ice Age DVD in quick enough!
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My (non-troll) question - how is illegally duplicating a copyrighted tape or disc different than "fair use" of recording off-air broadcasts?
Seems to me if you had an analog copy of something that had ever been broadcast, you could claim fair use.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
Lets look at this closely, multiple gigabyte disk, bandwidth, massive fucking CD, phone line...
See where I'm going here?
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For my daughter, that would be at least 60 times!
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Guess they haven't quite got the hang of the fact that the biggest advantage of the internet is it's worldwide reach yet.
As nice as it would be for them to release the movies to a worldwide audience all at once, there are probably legal reasons (copyright law, international distribution rights, etc.) that they haven't got them in other countries yet. Apple's facing the same problem with their iTunes Music Store, but they're working out those issues as quickly as they can.
While the Internet is worldwide, ownership rights are not. Have patience, grasshopper.
If they have the balls to make Song of the South, a movie they practically deny exists, available on this service.
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With DRM this means that we can all enjoy a movie (Even if disney movies suck bigtime) over the Internet and not be pirateing it. It allows companys to do things like this which is good in the long run.
Who need freedom when we have Mickey Mouse.
"IS THE DOWNLOAD DONE YET?"
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"IS THE DOWNLOAD DONE YET?"
"Yes! You can watch Monsters Inc 2 now!"
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The reason they only support rm or wma is because they want to enforce digital restrictions management. This is also the same reason they only support Windows. They put a self-destruct in the movies you d/l so you don't get to keep it or make backup copies.
The last I heard, Disney owned Miramax -- does that mean that titles like Clerks and Pulp Fiction will be released? Don't get me wrong -- I like both movies, but I'm not sure that Disney would want people to associate them with movies that use the word "fuck" more than the word "the"... :^)
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Think about this for a minute. What's to stop an MPEG4 or DivX file from being sent on to another computer or even to Kazaa? Nothing. Real and Windows Media Player 9 both have DRM built in.
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the movie rental lasts 30-days... but when you choose to start watching it, it expires in 24 hours
So much for the world wide web.
While I may have a misunderstanding of Disney's market, I am under the impression that they primarily sell family entertainment, esp. movies for children.
Now, children's entertainment is a special category, in that kids watch movies OVER and OVER and OVER again - more often on VHS format than DVD, due to the relative durability of the former (though this may be changing). because of this, families tend to BUY disney movies (vs. renting); if they rent, it's to check something out before buying it.
Now what aspect of the above market does Disney hope to satisfy with downloadable movies?
- these movies will have to be accessed on the computer (not as easy as VCR/VHS, let alone half as childproof)
- these movies expires after 30 days
(not as permanent - and kids will obsess over their shows for far longer than 30 days...)
- the cost is $3-$5 dollars per download (cheaper than rental for the amount of time, but even considering an optimistic 1-hour download time, it's still going to be faster to drive to the store and back (for most US citizens) than to download - and (I believe) that there's still not much coverage for broadband in most rural areas...
d) Also, for those who don't mind waiting (or lack broadband), Netflix (and its competitors) offer a similarly-priced, keep-as-long-as-you-feel rental system.
Now I realize that Disney is not just a kids' movie company, but I still don't see how this system makes much sense.
OTOH, I am pleasantly surprised to see (even this much) innovation from a company with such a draconian distribution history.
Ick!!! Do the kid a favor -- buy him the Monsters Inc. DVD. Unlike most movies, it's only mildly annoying to have to watch Monsters over and over again. I beleive my daughter has memorized at least half of the dialogue by now...
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I am sure this is one of patents
The interesting thing is that this all worked with Media Player without any plugins. The downside of this is that if you had thumbnails or previews turned on, it would try to verify the license every time Explorer thumbnailed or previewed the file! If your machine wasn't online, Explorer would hang.
most people have already seen Dumbo and Herbies Love Banana, so are they gonna come up with some new stuff to tempt people?
For $3-5, you get to spend all evening downloading a file. When you get it, you have 30 days to play it before it self-destructs. And it self-destructs 24 hours after you start playing it. And you have to watch it on your computer, and the computer must be a PC running Windows.
On the other hand, video rental stores charge you the same $3-5, and you usually have at least three days to watch it.
Or pay-per-view cable which costs the same $3-5 for 24 hours, but doesn't involve any download time.
Or NetFlix where a $20/mo fee lets you watch your rentals for as long as you want.
Can someone tell me again what advantage there is to using Movielink?
This is lame, for the many reasons pointed out in this thread (too short expiration, buy vs. rent for kids, etc.) The interesting thing, at least in my mind, is that Disney is opening their intellectual property up a bit (granted, it's got DRM up the wazoo.)
What would happen if Apple/Jobs did a movie service like they've done with the iTunes Music Store?
They've got the inside connections in Hollywood (Pixar, editing suites, etc.)
They've got the technology (QuickTime, delivery mechanisms & bandwidth)
And they could make it easy enough for my Mom to use...
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I don't trust this scheme. I smell spyware being loaded into these movies or something. Last thing I want is for my harddrives to be commanded with del *.mp3 when I least expect it.
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People will trade convenience for quality. Up to a point, anyway.
After all, MP3 (or other lossy, high-compression music format) is lower quality than CD, but its small file size makes it more convenient.
Same is true for DivX.
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This is nothing new...
How is this possibly news?
Disney and ShareReactor have partnered up for quite a few years now.
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Hope Disney will include everything they have that is over 2 years old.
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For anyone curious the video specs for the WMV versions they use are:
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And if you are so inclined you could certainly use something like Fraps 2.0.0 to capture the video and audio.
Of course not, they're too busy extending copyrights from here to eternity.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
That stops you from going to a video store renting a movie(on DVD or Tape, if you thought of using screen captures I know you can figure out DeCSS and Macrovision) and making a copy.
I think you're being sarcastic but of course you got an Interesting modifier which makes me laugh.
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Great. Now I can watch "The Apple Dumpling Gang IX - Clovis' Revenge!".
Seriously though, ever since Disney began the ruinous process of serializing every one of its classics, I can do without their fare.
They will probably pressure Congress to *force* us to subscribe.
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" Now if only the RIAA could follow this lead. I don't seen anyone hating disney - oh wait, they're not suing the youth of America."
Rest assured that if movie downloading ever matches the level of music downloading, they will. Disney aggressively protects their copyrights and properties, and was one of the prime movers in getting copyright terms extended.
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Will start charging for bandwidth now.
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these people pushed through the absurd copyright laws we now have. but fuck them, i will sign up to their service, rip the vid/audio, and proceed to share.
---- oh no - it's the RIAA and their $100000000 fine. I'm gonna take that so seriously...
Yeah, the morons could at least let us visit their site.
Anyone know of a proxy that allows you to watch the place?
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On topic, I tried the service and the video quality was quite poor. Off topic (slightly on), since DRM is bad, what would be a good alternative? I don't think online rentals will ever work without some restrictions. There has to be an opportunity for profit. I would like to be able to download a DVD quality movie and watch it.
I think the answer should be open (not proprietary). Like SSL encryption. How about some time of key encryption system. Your system uploads unique data which is used to encrypt the movie and generate a decryption key that will only work on your system.
There is no perfect solution, because of our lack of integrity. If everyone was honest, we wouldn't need locks on our doors.
...because they arrest the youth of America. And judges because they put the youth of America in jail. And our peers too because they form the jury that convicts the youth of America.
How dare we punish kids who do illegal things.
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Seriously, you're right. I'm highly surprised that they of all companies would be doing this. Strange world.
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That's just what I'm curious about. Has anybody actually tried? VLC plays so many formats, even proprietary ones, that I wonder if it's able to play this stuff. .asf files. So maybe also these films... :-)
It can even play
If not, maybe it can do in a few weeks
It's just a technical problem, I guess...
BTW, in case one of the developers reads this, a big THANK YOU for VLC and mplayer!
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I think that online movie technology will probably be less hacked than music for a couple of reasons all centering around the fact that most people don't WANT to watch a movie over and over again, whereas people listen to music constantly. That and the fact that it would take up LOTS of space to host movies. And with retals being so cheap ($3), why would you waste five hours getting the damned thing at a low quality?
Now if only the RIAA could follow this lead. I don't seen anyone hating disney - oh wait, they're not suing the youth of America.
Disney has a music branch, Walt Disney Records that is a member of the RIAA, so yes, they are suing the youth of America.
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You insensitive clod!
Consider yourself lucky. I get the message:
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> Uh huh...lets see.
> Windows has 90-95% of the desktop OS market.
> [Looks on Kaaza]
> Lots of copyrighted movies, music, and games.
> Kind of shoots your argument down, doesn't it?
Yeah, it is really amazing that when I moved from Windows 2000 to Mandrake Linux 9.0, I pretty much reduced my amount of technically illegal activity from "shitloads" to "none".
My only real vice right now is that I download copies of shows recently played on television. For some reason, I just prefer watching them on my computer. Hmm.
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If I'm going to pay for a movie, and then spend a week downloading it, I want it to work for more than 30 days. And the DRM doesn't help, either.
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...that killed DIVX? Movies that expire, in terms of playability, within a certain time frame?
Besides, why in the Multiverse would I want to watch a movie on my computer screen when I can wait for the DVD, and then watch it on a monster screen with a sound system that makes a PC's speakers sound like tin cans and a string?
Sheesh... Eisner'll try anything to make a buck...
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If they're going to set themselves up as "competing" with Kazaa, they might as well give up now. It's a little difficult to compete with free unlimited use on any computer.
I have to think that only people who don't know about Kazaa, or who have ethical reservations about using systems such as Kazaa, will be patrons of this service.
Thus helping RIAA to sue the youth of america who is interested in older music whose copyright should have expired years ago.
You know, that's much less funny when your UID is higher than that of the poster you reply to. ;)
This is a fricking goldmine for them. This is simply a variation on the Divx :( (aka not ;-) scheme- pay everytime you watch the movie. Go to a friend's house? They need to pay. Watch it at home 2 days later? Need to pay. And what happens when Disney stops releasing it on DVD?
Heck, that's it. It's for their Limited Release DVDs... release it for a couple of months, people buys it. From then on, until they release it again, if you want to watch it you have to pay them. Each time. DVD gets scratched? Pay each time. Have a nifty new ethernet-enabled DVD player? Bet they'll figure a way for you to watch it like that.
It's Divx all over again.
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Everyone's noticed now that you need Windows to use this site, but spare a thought for us poor users outside of the US.
/do/ make cool movies) make something like this available in the UK, I'll be first in line to check it out.
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If the big studios (which I'm supposed to hate, I know, but they
* I will not use Windows to do anything, and you're not going to make me. :)
* I don't want to wait an hour to download it and then get to view for 24 hours, when I could get it for the same price in 10 minutes from Blockbuster.
* The rental will have far superior video and audio quality.
* My computer is upstairs, and the TV with a real sound system is downstairs.
* DRM. Although at any rate, I could simply connect my video cards' S-Video out to my capture cards' S-Video in
So, in short, the quality necessary to shove it down even a broadband connection sucks, it's DRMed, and I don't like watching movies on my computer.
Most people live within 5-10 minutes of a video rental store. Downloading a movie like this will take many hours, even over a broadband connection. So if the prices are roughly the same, why would you wait hours and hours?
It's the same reason I cancelled my Netflix subscription. I loved everything about Netflix EXCEPT the wait for the movies to arrive. Blockbuster is just too damn convenient.
Good idea, but how about this: Only let the child watch a Disney movie based on a classic novel once he's read the novel. This way, he will learn how Disney writers distort the stories. That way, he won't be like "I don't get it" when he tries out A.I. and Pinocchio's Revenge, both of which refer to events in Carlo Collodi's novel that didn't appear in Disney's 1940 film adaptation.
Works out well and when he gets a good book he'll end up earning more TV time than he uses
Your child will probably see a Cingular commercial and demand that the earned minutes roll over from week to week.
And does he get credit for looking at magazines with pictures in them?
Disney products are made in sweatshops
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Trying to get rid of Disney? Here are options:
Try Don Bluth movies; they're better.
Try DreamWorks animated movies; they're better too.
Heck, try even the movies in Wal-Mart's $5.96 bargain bin; they often follow the original stories better than Disney adaptations do.
If your kid demands to see Nemo, try Little Nemo: Adventures in Slumberland or other dubbed anime not distributed by Buena Vista.
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The .mp4 and .avi files typically don't have digital restrictions management, but DivX for Windows is a DirectShow codec, and like other DirectShow codecs, a DivX stream can probably be wrapped in a DRM layer.
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Somebody who plays a Disney sales rep on TV says: "buy the DVD of the movie you want"
I would, but why can't I find Pinocchio (1940) at Suncoast? Why does Buena Vista routinely take Disney animated movies out of print?
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I'll have Finding Nemo when it comes out.
You can get a movie with Nemo right now. It's called Little Nemo: Adventures in Slumberland. No, Nemo is not a fish here.
You can get Disney's sea movie with Nemo right now. It's called 20,000 Leagues under the Sea. Nemo isn't a fish here either.
There's something fishy about Disney
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The movie files can be viewed on a PC or on a television connected to a computer
Hello, VCR! If I can watch it, I can copy it.
That's why I shop the used market.
You mean the abused market? The scratched-to-hell market? It amazes me what little kids can do to a DVD.
I've read reports that some out-of-print Disney titles have regularly broken $100 on eBay. What working-class parents can afford that?
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I thought the DRM in WMP was all smoke, and that using some Dev tools provided by Microsoft, you can easily grab a lossy stream (and possibly a lossless one using more advanced techniques) of any DRM file.
If I was a business, I would definitely make sure that my files were protected going out there...then again they don't care, they just want the money at first, then they get real greedy.
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I hope Disney realizes that this will up the amount of illegal downloading of movies online. All it takes is one person to 'buy' each movie, and send it out over the internet. They're making it too easy!
I just can't wait 30 days for my movie to be downloaded....
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No, wait, I don't live in the USA, so I guess I do. Control freak fucknuts. They'd rather lose money than admit that regional barriers and regional licensing are farcical in an online context.
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I think it is a good idea for disney to create this option in order to escape some piracy.