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Windows Program Enables MP3 Downloading From iTunes
Joey Patterson writes "CNET reports that an independent software developer has released a program called MyTunes that allows people to share and download each other's MP3s on a network via iTunes." This is very much like a Mac program I saw a while back called itunesdl, which allowed one to download MP3s from friends who were sharing their playlists, exactly as MyTunes claims to do.
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If you read Slashdot regularly, you will find an abundance of published stories that seek to push hardware and software beyond their normal limits, thereby allowing greater freedom and possibly skirting the law at the same time.
In this case, I was led to believe that I could use MyTunes to download from computers across the Internet, when in fact it is designed strictly for those who listen to Mp3s across a LAN--like a dedicated music server, for instance. It is not intended to enable sharing of MP3s across the global internet (even though it, too, is a "network").
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Is that supposed to happen?
This will work just fine with MP3's, but won't work with Apple's DRM'ed files. For those, you need to actually authorize the computer so it can play the AAC file.
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Mr. Zeller,
I recently was referred to your web page about your program MyTunes.
Your program sounds most excellent, however I note that it is only
available for windows. The internet community would most definitely be
pleased if you were to make this project open source. Since you are
charging nothing, you will only gain from this change.
As open source software, it can be ported by other people, to mac OS X
for example. Development would allow for greater stability, more
features. Also, I believe sourceforge (http://sourceforge.net/) will
host such a page for free.
--his reply--
Hi,
I absolutely support open source software and have been active in the
community (see www.zempt.com).
The reason this version was not open source had more to do with the time it
would have taken to choose the correct license as well as getting all the
files together, registering for sourceforge, etc.
I'll hopefully be able to make it open source soon.
Best Regards,
Bill Zeller
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I guess someone goofed. Soemtimes, it isn't easy being the first ones to screw up. They shouldn't ahve implamented the filelist sharing. Something like this was bound to happpen. Now, they've threatened ticking off the RIAA.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
MyTunes is for Windows. iTunesDL was for Mac's when iTunes first came out. That's basically the fundamental diffeerence. I can't speak for MyTunes since I don't actually use a Wintel machine (No I won't go there!!) In terms of exploiting the exploit: I'm sure you can change some extensions of videos/movies, software, & whatever else floats you and you'll be on your way to a full fledged {almost} P2P. I'll leave that for someone with Windows to try and post back for the rest of us!
There's only one way to find out: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*...
I predict that within 48 hours, Apple will release iTunes 4.1.2. The only "feature" that 4.1.2 will add: you guessed it, the disablement of MyTunes.
Let's face it, folks. Apple is a strategic systems integration provider. They provide hardware and software that does specific tasks impeccably well. When a third-party comes in, as Dr. Michael Tractenberg did with MyTunes, Apple feels threatened. They will set out to ruin this man as Michael Sims ruined me.
As a lawyer, I'm well-versed in knowing when you, the consumer, have a right to download. I will stand up for your rights in court, just as I stood up against Michael Sims in a courtroom battle that makes the last fight scene in "The Matrix Revolutions" look like Finding Nemo.
Thank you.
I'm not Seth Finkelstein. I still speak the truth.
I don't understand what the big fucking deal is.
From the bottom of the site:
And remember, copyright infringement is illegal. If you have any question whether what you're doing constitutes an infringement,
visit the RIAA's great anti-piracy website.
Kissing asses here, scared allready or just kidding?
This here is a prime example of stupid geeks. No, this isn't a troll; nor flamebait.
I think the coder that released this program is pretty good at coding, pretty smart overall probably, but it really annoys me that the whole society of geeks/coders/slashdot kinda people in general whine and gripe about not having a good solution to music sharing, and then when one comes out... it's cool until someone finds a runaround.
iTunes is a cool system and I like it a lot; I sure hope that Apple finds a way to circumvent this before the music industry that was pretty nice (although they're monsters usually) goes back and calls this a new napster/kazaa/etc.
And I certainly hope coders in the future think about the consequences of what they write before they write it.
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I can just hear apple crying DRM... It's to bad that iTunes isn't open source, alot of mods could make it a really incredible program.
DRM = protection of the music files.
But the player then decodes the audio stream and then plays it through sound card.
Most sound cards have line out.
DRM *will not* work for audio in this way.
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I hope they don't start patenting every little thing about this program (like a certain other company I could mention)...
Has this guy heard of the RIAA?
From the article:Only unencrypted MP3 files are easily captured and copied using the MyTunes software, however. Songs purchased from Apple's iTunes store, which are protected by the company's proprietary digital rights management technology, do not work with Zeller's software.
Sounds like a bit of overhype in the headline to this article.
"He who throws mud, loses ground." - proverb
This is another exciting event in the evolution of a Business model. There are billions of dollars at stake and it is so interesting to see how this unfolds. The industry (whatever it will be called in the future) is evolving as we watch it. An emerging standard has just been defeated by new technology. The industry thought it had it locked up (itunes), and here they come. I still think they're on the right track, but ultimately, they're f---ed by technology and smart users. When does the truce take place?
..so long as it doesn't break any laws. Apple is the good guy here. We don't want the recording companies pissed at Apple. Unfortunately, my confidence in this program is vastly lowered by the "additional notes" section on the bottom of the MyTunes page:
/.'ed, you can still visit the RIAA link.)
If you plan on stealing music, do not download this software. If you plan on infringing upon copyrights, do not download this software. Only download this software if you plan on acting responsibly.
Warranty: There is absolutely no warranty of any kind whatsoever with this software. The software is provided to you "AS-IS", and all risks and losses associated with its use are assumed by you. In no event shall the author of this software, Bill Zeller, be held accountable for any damages or losses that may occur from use or misuse of the software. Use at your own risk.
And remember, copyright infringement is illegal. If you have any question whether what you're doing constitutes an infringement, visit the RIAA's great anti-piracy website.
Read that last line there. If that doesn't constitute butt-kissing, I don't know what does. (I preserved the link so just in case the page gets
It's called KaZaa, or Limewire, or [fill in name here].
Don't forget that Apple actually took this feature away after the RIAA hounds frightened themselves shitless over the potential power of such a system: filesharing that was completely decentralized. So after scaring every recording company, Apple yanked the feature, leaving only local network capabilities.
If this were to become mainstream, music downloading would certainly become more interesting again. Having full albums, possibly CD art, and the like all included as you drag files over or (at the least) simply streaming MP3s without a centralized network would be an awesome power. Friends would merely share IP addresses and have access to libraries of music, allowing others to view libraries of music and download selectively.
In fact, there are really only two problems with this system: only being able to download from one user at a time and no simple way of browsing libraries beyond your friends' libraries. All in all however, it makes iTunes a compelling choice as the next KaZaa.
Now we just need a convenient way to load those pesky protected AAC files....
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This doesn't seem quite sound...this guy will get shut down. Hell, his own website contradicts him. He says this:
Tunes is mainly meant to be used as a music manager and means of purchasing music online. However, in addition to purchasing music, one can listen to any of the music shared by others on a network. So, for example, if another person on your network has iTunes and decides to share their music, you can listen to it. iTunes does not allow you to save this music to your hard drive. MyTunes lifts this restriction by allowing you to save music from other computers to your hard drive.
Then he says, down at the bottom, something of a "disclaimer" which, although I am not a legal specialist, does not sound like it has any legitimacy:
If you plan on stealing music, do not download this software. If you plan on infringing upon copyrights, do not download this software. Only download this software if you plan on acting responsibly. Warranty: There is absolutely no warranty of any kind whatsoever with this software. The software is provided to you "AS-IS", and all risks and losses associated with its use are assumed by you. In no event shall the author of this software, Bill Zeller, be held accountable for any damages or losses that may occur from use or misuse of the software. Use at your own risk. And remember, copyright infringement is illegal. If you have any question whether what you're doing constitutes an infringement, visit the RIAA's great anti-piracy website.
He also links to Apple's iTunes website, which has to have some sort of legal implications, seeing as this is a program which can (potentially) be used in malignant ways.
It'll be interesting to see if Apple tries to do an "over-the-internet auto update" like Microsoft does with its patches, for this, or if they try to guise a fix for this as a "feature upgrade". If they do, they better have some new features. This is exactly what iTunes update to 4.0.1 did for Mac users, when it was discovered people could share music with other exact IP addresses.
This is the SECOND FREAKING POST. How is it redundant?
"hey, can you throw ________ onto the server, i want that for my iPod."
and there you go, i have the original rip/dl
no news here, continue as you were.
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what about downloading from your friends of friends??
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Are we going to start posting stories about everyone that looks at a protocol and creates a client or server based on it? Sheesh...
There are tons of Bit Torrent clients out there... why not post a headline about Shadow's bit torrent client, that allows you to share files between PC's... No really... why the hell not?
Oh, that's right.. cuz there is no way to make it sound like some DRM based service was hacked... With some fancy headline manipulation no less.... Read the article, then read the headline... Seriously... WTF???
All this guy did was use (not exploit, that's key...) the existing protocol to share MP3's between ITunes clients... You can do this anyway... he made a pretty interface... But the headline makes it sound like he hacked the DRM and created the next napster or some shit...
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great, just what the world needs. yet another Steve Jobs cock-smoker.
I have iTunes on 2 computers. Last night, I was trying to sync them up. MyTunes sounds like it would have made life easier, since zero-conf networking "just works". As it was, I had to find the mp3s (they're not nicely organized), enable sharing, get shaing to work (sometimes a pain when each computer has a different firewall), and then import the folders.
I think you're confusing butt-kissing with nose-thumbing.
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The article, I mean-- the description on the guy's page clearly says MyTunes only allows you to download songs from a shared playlist on another computer on the same LAN as yours. If both machines are on the same LAN, you could just as easily copy them via good old fashioned Windows file sharing. There's no controversy to be had here.
And sure, there are Rendezvous proxy utilities that could be used to overcome the LAN limitation, but for all that trouble you might as well just trade CDs full of MP3s with your buddy, or both just fire up any run-of-the-mill p2p app and browse each other's libraries that way.
Music sharing BAD
Music buying GOOD
Are we clear on this?
up the shut fuck!!
Please, oh please protect them.
I'll tell you about defeated technology, we used to put Mac OS 7.5 up against Windows 3 and it was hard. Hard! Man! Now we're swinging swords for iTunes and hackers? F--- hackers, I'm talking about rip-offs of 8-track tapes on my casset tape player. Damn you, fools! I've got a cassette tape ripped from an 8-track of Styx in my Cabriolette at this very moment ... and it's CRANKED! Ya'all don't know piracy! Ya don't!!!! Get down with the brother who once played Zork for 45 straight hours.... Can't deal with ya'all no more.
I am trying to see what the use of this software is other than for stealing music.
Filesharing of copyrighted material, in most cases is wrong...end of story...
Sure, limited swapping of music amongst friends (mix tapes, party mixes) is absolutely 'fair use', no question, but no one believes programs like this or iTunesDL have any other use than the wholesale theft of music that the user has not payed for...
I would make one important exception -- something that we had, but lost due to just this type of wrongheaded thinking -- sharing your own music with yourself remotely...iTunes had this originally and it was removed because of abuse...so you already fucked it up for us...
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With the first release of iTunes 4, Apple allowed "sharing" of libraries and playlist, they quickly released an update that limited this feature to the subnet that iTunes is on. Though with the proper software and know-how it is easy to bypass this limitation if one is so inclined to share their home iTunes with their work iTunes or allow friends to connect to a shared library.
However this MyTunes works in a different way that allows people to copy (not stream or "share") music from others iTunes libraries. To "copy" a copyrighted work would be illegal and this software only makes it easier for all you dang Windows users to steal music.
Apple made a calculated risk by releasing iTunes for Windows (basically for Windows iPod users) and now the Windows community pays them back with a nice little Piracy Enabling POS. Thanks alot, you jackas$es.
Perhaps the author of this program is secretly employed by one of iTunes competitors as a way of getting the RIAA upset with Apple.
I can only hope that this MyTunes thing is used for legitimate uses and not used to turn iTunes into a new music piracy program. At least it doesn't allow stealing of AAC FairPlay files purchased from iTunes Music Store, just files that the user added to their library that were obtained from another source (ie. a CD, Kazaa, etc.)
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1) Looks like ass to me.
2) No music store.
3) Requires KDE.
4) No, really, it looks like ass.
Also, sweet fucking christ that web page is terrible. Pink on green? Green text on a green background? Did they hire a monkey on a five day crack binge to design that?
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I've been using it this week and like it quite a bit. My company has about 8 iTunes users on my local subnet and I have been "borrowing" all week long. It isn't exactly feature rich and you must start playing a song to make it available for download. Otherwise, it's nifty!
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Here's a better way to share your music library over a local network: For Apple, enable Appletalk and make your music folder public. In Windows, share the folder with the network. Now, you can drag & drop. Or, just put a selected tune in your public folder if someone asks you for it. Faster than realtime.
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As far as I know you can already share a folder (read only) and allow anyone on a network to copy the music and you can already stream music through iTunes to anyone on a network. The only question would be if is these things are sufficiently harder on a Windows machine to require a special program?
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I love stealing, its easy and fun and exciting!
Don't get me wrong, I would love to pay for things buy every company overcharges. If KIA can make an under 10k car and still turn a profit, then BMW is ripping everyone off, just like the RIAA! Car are mainly build by robots these days so don't give me that FUD about working losing their jobs, they lost their jobs a long time ago.
In addition to iTunesDL, mentioned in the article for mac, there's iSlurp which does basically the same thing in platform independent java. and has been out for six months.
But now we have a bunch of hype and publicity.
So the Record companies are probably going to give apple shit and force more limitations down our throats, just like when Apple had to limit iTunes to sharing on the local network only.
Good job people.
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It's it sad that when i came across that article at work I thought to myseld, "Self, you better download this little program before you can't access the site" I'm now a happy owner of a file none of you can get that I have no intention of even using tonight
:) Oh and if it gets bad i'm sure i can put up a bittorrent for yall
Cheers
WTF?! The correct term is Slashdot Janitor.
All this thing does is copy the stream that is coming across Rendezvous. That stream is limited at 64 kbps. Even if you were streaming non-protected AAC files, this is a pretty power quality copy, similar to copying a CD to a tape.
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Great. Pretty soon Apple will disable this option and I will not be able to use iTunes simple zero-conf mp3 sharing. I loved opening my iTunes from another computer and listen to my songs. The loser: Me.
In the meanwhile all the kiddies will keep using Kazaa to get their songs.
I like when the RIAA says this:
Plus, good luck returning a pirated tape or CD when the quality is inferior or the product is defective, as it often is.
I think it should actually read:
Plus, good luck returning a legal tape or CD when the CD doesn't conform to CD standards or play on your CD player, as it often is.
Open sourcing it doesn't inherently lead to greater stability. Pull your head out of the opensource/slashdork collective's ass. I hope this guy was thinking about opening up the code and then decided to close it up again after reading your pathetic email
I know Bill Zeller, the creator of this program.. he's just a regular college kid at Trinity College. I'm not exactly sure how he did what he did, but the general idea is that he packet sniffed the auth-id that itunes sends back and forth, and used it to download songs while it is still valid. You only need to trick itunes into making the request, which the program packet sniffs, and then reproduces so it can download the mp3. On a personal note, I've found Mr Zeller to be somewhat rash at times, I.E. Posting this program. I think he's in for a lot of shit that he doesnt need as a hardworking student at this college.
What the fuck does it taste like mang? How many calories?
Should it not be called HisOrHerTunes instead of MyTunes? After all, if downloaded from someone else, they aren't mine as in MyTunes. Even better, the software could probably be called, WeDon'tKnowWhoLegallyObtainTheseFirstTunes.
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MyTunes developer name: billzeller my username: greenstork Here's the link, this is what the developer had to say in the Macrumors forum: Macrumors Forum, go to page 3
MyTunes developer name: billzeller my username: greenstork Here's the link, this is what the developer had to say in the Macrumors forum:
1) In #3 you say KDE is good. This does nothing for your credibility as a judge of aesthetics.
2) DRM BAD!!! We can just steal whatever we need. Information wants to be stolen!
3) See #1. Also, KDE is a bitch to set up on a Mac, and I'm not sure it can be done on Windows at all.
4) Also see #1.
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MyTunes developer name: billzeller my username: greenstork Here's the link, this is what the developer had to say in the Macrumors forum: Link
Everyone claims the RIAA is evil, but once again we see that the RIAA is the victim. They try to give concessions to Apple to sell music online, and consumers set up a system to screw them over. Nice job.
Does anyone know if it records the radio streams in iTunes as well?
g'day,
the faq says "if you can't see the other shared computer, then this software won't be of any use to you."
now... we have 2 computers hanging off a billion router which i believe does NAT automatically for us. neither iTunes can see the other.
does anyone have any ideas on how to make it work like it should?
all the best, prof.h
Anybody have success with iTunes and Wine? I keep getting stuck at 'unable to create folder .... inside of ...." referencing the Music folder creation. SHouldn't be a problem - installed in a windows partition and used same registry to run under Wine. Anyone?
... that's all i wrote...
Personally, I never found Kaaza even remotely "compelling", considering all the spyware/adware it loads your PC up with as part of the install.
Furthermore, if you *are* going to engage in "illegal MP3 file trading" over the Internet - it only makes sense to use the most obscure product and network possible for the activity. I wouldn't choose a tool like Morpheus or Kaaza that *everyone* seems to be well aware of!
Who modded this informative?
You can't share other stuff with iTunes! That's nonsense! iTunes' music sharing works by sending an MP3/AAC stream to the other computers. It doesn't just do a blanket file copy without regard to file type or whatever.
If anything, the parent should be modded troll for making such an inane comment pretending to know what he's talking about.
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Steve must have opened the can.
Go to live shows. Almost all of that money goes straight to the band, and not the label. While you're there, buy a T-shirt. Buy CDs from your local unsigned bands; there's usually at least one store in town that sells independant music.
If I have an AAC file on my playlist, can someone on my LAN convert it to MP3 and then share it back to me?
This has long been argued about amongst p2p freaks - why doesn't "the herd" follow quality and get behind good p2p software? The answer is: people will go where the content is: more users means more sources means more diversity means less time twiddling your thumbs and waiting for a download.
Once a given application obtains sufficient market inertia, it's almost impossible to wrench control away without shutting down the network entirely ( c.f. musiccity, napster ). And KaZaa has signifigant market inertia - its practically become synonymous in most peoples minds with peer to peer trading.
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Please someone post a mirror, everyone at my school (baylor) uses itunes for music because kazza is banned and they cracked down on waste (yes they are that evil, but they couldn't prove anything) I would greatly apreciate a torrent/e2klink/filemirror
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of course, if you'd read the iSlurp page you'd see that it no longer works with anything post 4.0
LIke 4.0.1 where Apple started doing key passing and he doesn't want to violate the DMCA.
So, you really can't use iSlurp unless you use old copies of iTunes.
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Damn have I been reading
An official bittorrent file of MyTunes can be downloaded here:
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http://www.drunkenaardvark.com/MyTunes.exe.torren
That windows is bad. When iTunes was exclusively for mac, any cross-network-P2P carried along almost silently. Not even a month after ITFW(iTunes 4 Win) was released, there is a program written to exploit the trust upon which the iTunes was founded. Just as one poster already pointed out, everyone loses. The Fscking RIAA will perpetuate the idea that no download DRM-less network is safe(which is true, because there's always some asshole willing to betray the trust of the ones who put the trust out there). Apple offers what most people want, or at least settle for, a network where one can buy and download clean audio with no DRM. Apple sees that it's a success, and attempts to broaden their market by porting the service to W32. [too drunk to finish my rant]
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MyTunes going open source is actually a bad move in this case. Hacks & a more broad functionality for MyTunes will likely be accelerated by going open source. While another app or two is required to get full-fledged Kazaa-like sharing over the internet currently, this would be quickly integrated into an open source MyTunes. OSS development would probably keep ahead of any desperate attempts by Apple engineers to restrict illegal file-sharing by iTunes users, including AAC files.
What would be the result of this? Major labels terminating their license agreements with Apple to sell music via iTMS, certainly. iTunes subsequently waning in utility & popularity as other players catch up with iTunes while still offering secure online music purchases (these also eventually fall prey to their own myTunes if they get popular enough). Either Apple and others exit market leaving us where we started before all this, or hardware-enforced DRM (such as Palladium) gets a further boost from this obvious example of the dangers of lax DRM.
Good job! Net result will be a worse future than present. Yeah, yeah, OSS = Good; Proprietary = Evil, etc etc. In the practical world we live in, open source may actually hurt the market & consumer choice in this case.
Hes kissing the RIAA's ass on the surface, which is a good idea for obvious legal reasons. But he really means it to be satire, on the inside, and the RIAA cant prove otherwise. Thats my take anyway.
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Well, that page is talking about TotalRecorder. It's available here: http://www.highcriteria.com/
It's only $12, so it's not like he's charging a lot for it. It does have some nifty features. First, yeah, it sticks a driver in so that it can capture sound data directly. But it's got some other coolness to it, actually.
-The 30 second auto-buffer lets you hit record after the song has started and still get the song.
-Choose your own format, of course. But it can send the data to an encoder too (Ogg, LAME, whatever) before saving it off to disc.
-Detection of the beginning and ends of sound being played so as to trim the silences and save into separate files automagically if you so choose (works surprisingly well).
-Suppress system beeps and such while it's recording, so you don't get those in the resulting file.
-Timer based recording so that you can have it record a daily radio show or something similar.
And some other nifty stuff. It's rather well thought out, actually. It's worth the $12 if you want to convert virtually any DRMed format to something a little less protected. But it's worth the $12 not because it simply saves the stuff to disc like some free drivers might be capable of doing, but because it's a good program overall with some good effort put into it.
Oh, it works with iTunes too. Just change QuickTime's playback settings to "Playback through TotalRecorder" and it works just fine.
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
This doesnt change anything, people don't just pay iTunes because they have no other choice - they pay because they are scared to shit for the RIAA breaking down their door and smashing their heads into the computer screen. Oh and some might be paying because they want to. But the point is even though iTunes made a stupid mistake, pay sites are still here and people can continue to pay so everyone is a happy little bunny.
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someone else has written another programme that allows you to share music - or any other kind - files, in any format you like, with anyone who has an IP address.
There are always people like you who like to get an online platform and push your goofy self-righteous views.
While I wish you no ill, I pray to jesus that you lose the ability to connect to any online source. You're a big windbag, and the one thing this world doesn't need is YABW (Yet Another Big Windbag).
"Apple is the good guy here"
I don't think you're a real person. Apple is no more a good guy than Microsoft. The only difference is Apple is a smaller company and doesn't have a monopoly.
You are a needy person who needs to believe that people and things conform to a certain world view.
They don't. Get over it that companies like apple don't give a shit about anything other than making profit. Let me repeat that, because you appear stupid. Companies like apple don't give a shit about anything other than making profit. If apple could make money throwing babies into the fire with a pitchfork, they'd do it, but they'd put together a great marketing campaign around it to make shallow people (like yourself), think its "cool".
Why do you think iTunes was released? To make money.
Why do you think Apple exists? To make money.
Why do you think copying files across a network is "stealing". Because the RIAA told you so. That doesn't mean its illegel.
But you think you've got some special magic with iTunes. You're an idiot with a computer. Let me say that again because it needs to be said. You're an idiot with a computer.
Apple didn't do anyone a favor by releasing iTunes, iPods, or any other crap they make. And yes, I own a fucking ipod, but its certainly not a special gift from Apple. Its just a way to listen to music, not a fucking religion.
Please just go away. You make me scared for the human race.
Mount the iPod as a harddrive and navigate to it using a terminal window and you can copy mp3s off of it without any problem. It's gotta work fairly similar on a Windows machine. So, someone wrote a GUI based version of what can be done easily enough, big deal.
Granted, we have all gotten away with 'sharing' music with friends and co-workers over the years, but realize that the scale and nature of 'sharing' is vastly different today for most people...mind you, I don't care, I am not saying this from a high moral ground, I am simply stating the facts and I don't believe the way to change some laws you do not like is to be unlawful...vote differently, participate in your country's IP dialog, but don't be un-informed.
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...sharing anything with 15 people is wrong...now 'wrong' is a loaded word, I agree, but as I said, this 'feature' existed in iTunes originally, the ability to stream to a limited group of friends...this was removed because programs like iTunesDL broke the agreed upon trust, and allowed people to download the music being broadcast -- not fair...
So, yes, I do think personally you should be able to 'play' your music for a group of friends/co-workers, but that is not what this program is really about...
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I was hurriedly 'opine-ing' as my wife was giving me the 'It's time to go look'...Thanks for looking out ;)...
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Here I am, an Ignorant Aardvark, and all I do is post to Slashdot. Meanwhile, a Drunken Aardvark still manages to write a new piece of software. Hmmm, maybe I should drink more ...
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that we all were 'self-righteous YABW's'...but anyway...
That's some way of showing no "ill will"...
Regarding your hope that I not connect with any online source...what a ridiculous idea...I hope I can clarify -- I believe in the right for an artist to be compensated for her work. Crucify me...
'Sharing' in today's terms is not really what we term sharing from oh, say 1970. I know it is an unpopular view, but I believe it is accurate. Programs such as this behave like 'corporate veil' defenses..."I just want to share the music with a couple of friends..." really means, "I just want to release the music into the wild without the copyright holders consent..."
Now, I have said it before, I believe most musicians should make their money touring, etc... however, I don't believe that civil disobedience in this case is the practice of consuming copyright content and not compensating those who legally should be compensated...If you don't like the practices of the RIAA, the Record companies and the Artists who sell their rights to said companies, don't listen to the music represented by them. That means don't be two-faced and download the music you enjoy, pretending you are doing something radical or meaningful by doing so...you are not, you are stealing...
p.s. While I wish you no ill, Jesus is Santa Claus...HAND...
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This entire effort seems misguided. If one wanted to share one's MP3 collection for the purpose of copying, one could simply create a shared network folder.
Much more useful would be a server which creates a "virtual" AAC or MP3 collection which can then be played back in iTunes. The nicest things about iTunes are a.) its interface (including live search) and b.) its iPod compatibility. But its support for formats other than MP3/AAC/WAV--most notably FLAC, as contrasted with foobar2000 or Winamp, is sorely lacking. By contrast, foobar2000 and Winamp, have much less aesthetically pleasing interfaces and no iPod support. So, a daemon which did on the fly conversion of, say FLAC to MP3, would permit playback and transfer of your lossless audio collection in iTunes or another other device which supports ZeroConfig (such as Tivo Home Media Option). And that server daemon could be implemented as a plugin to either foobar or Winamp.
The program allows mp3 STREAMING over itunes on windows, not mp3 DOWNLOADING
This is as bad as television shows where they often confuse uploading with downloading. To TV, everything that involves information transfer and a computer = downloading.
Morons.
- Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...
It must watch the net traffic to catch the iTunes authentication headers. I'll bet that's why MyTunes needs to be started before iTunes, then you need to start streaming the song so it can capture the URL. From there, the files can be downloaded by DAAP (using the HTTP protocol). Basically, if you share music in iTunes, you're putting a web server up on port 3689.
Shareaza is now the best. It's freeware with no spyware, and it supports P2P transfers on Gnutella, Gnutella2, eDonkey, BitTorrent, etc all simultaneously in one interface...
Unfortunatly to many who read here, it's a Win32 app.
The only thing that I've wondered for some time now is that I don't know what the motivation is behind developing this application for free other than to establish the Gnutella2 network... But that even seems like a lot of work considering how much work has been put into interfacing with the other networks...
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I don't want to immediately have this devolve into a shouting match so I will try to systematicaly address your points because I am not a self-righteous person and would like to understand your position, as it has never been persuasively explained to me...maybe you don't care, but anyways
People are not at the mercy of corporations...you are free to not participate, to not support those who choose to participate, eg. artists who don't 'sell out' -- they will not have sold their rights to their works, and you will never infringe upon anyone's rights in sharing/enjoying their labors and consequently you will never be in a position to be persecuted(reasonably) for your activities. Think indy rock/underground/local punk scene/etc...To think otherwise is unneccesarily defeatist/alarmist.
55MPH -- Should we have no speed limits? I say that facetiously, obviously...surely there are times where we need 25MPH zones, eg. around schools, on narrow roads. Conversely, while I agree that 55MPH might be ten or twenty miles slower than what today might seem reasonable, I see the merit in having some law regarding speed and safety. Also, having known a number of Police over the years, I know that They are generally forgiving within that reasonable range ( +10-15 MPH) -- similarly, no one is going after reasonable fair use -- generally, it is egregious 'sharers' who are targeted for fines and litigation.
Copying your buddy's CD -- I agree, see above...Historically, such use while not technically 'legal' was tolerated. I would NOT call it stealing, I am reasonable, and have, like you copied the occasional CD and vice-versa. Today, that is not the same as 'file-sharing' -- the wholesale free-distribution of content that is not paid for.
As a quick side note, I am a vocal supporter of legalizing low-fidelity (aka radio quality or
Artists getting hurt -- Brittany, Phil, Beoncey, Puff...If you are not the one downloading their works then you are not hurting them...but what are you downloading? -- whose labor are you enjoying for free? They are the artists whose work you enjoy and yet you actively choose to harm them...with fans like you who needs enemies? At least the labels and RIAA pretend to pay them for their work (occasionally they do get a check or two).
Me being a windbag -- I guess...I am writing this reply, so you are probably right -- your reasons are not right though...I do not pretend to hold the high ground -- I have the artists (many of whom I know) best interests in mind -- I want to make sure they are compensated for their work TODAY...I also believe in changing the system, but boy, todays artists sure make good cannon foder for most other folks in this war for tomorrow...
You are the bullshiter...you simply want something for nothing and provide no improved model or means for artists to make a living. You are the one who's views should be ignored.
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Actually MyTunes _does_ do a blanket file copy without regard to file type.
Go back to watching Jerry Springer you jackass.
p.s. You are reading what I wrote.
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(My version numbers on this may be wrong. I just entered the situation with the Windows version.)
In the days of iTunes 4.0.0, there was no attempt at encrypting or otherwise protecting streaming data. The streaming itself is accomplished using a combination of Rendezvous (aka ZeroConf) and a modified HTTP server. This spawned programs like iLeech, iSlurp and various other wittily-named iPrograms.
However, with the next incarnation of iTunes, 4.0.1, Apple got smart. Likely fearing the wrath of the RIAA, a new header was added to all the requests posted to the iTunes serving the music. This value, called Client-DAAP-Validation, looks, smells, and tastes like an MD5 sum. Without the proper DAAP-Validation, iTunes refuses to serve up any content.
Obviously, this broke iSlurp and iLeech. And since there's no easy (read: DMCA-compliant) way to find the source of this value, programs that run separately from iTunes and provide download capabilities are, well, screwed.
Enter myTunes. It's a two-pronged solution to this problem. Behind the scenes, there's a packet scanner watching for requests on the Rendezvous port (3689). When it comes across a request to stream a file, it notes the "URL" and proper DAAP-Validation.
However, all files accessed via the modified iTunes HTTP server are represented via numeric IDs. To get the proper information about the file, myTunes uses a bastardization of the iTunes for Windows Visual Plug-in SDK. For some reason, all visual plug-ins receive notification when the currently playing song in iTunes changes. The myTunes plugin writes this value to the registry, where it is later read by the myTunes GUI and displayed for downloading via libcurl.
This approach raises some interesting DMCA questions. Since the generation of the DAAP-Validation value has not been reverse-engineered, only captured, has anything been circumvented? In effect, myTunes is only a packet replayer.
To counter some of the ill-informed people above, the original file is saved in original format without bitrate modifications. The response to a stream request is the file itself.
General DAAP info