Postal 2 - Share the Pain Demo for GNU/Linux

fredan writes "Icculus has posted this news on his site: 'Just in time to relieve all that Holiday stress, a demo version of Postal 2: Share the Pain is now available for GNU/Linux systems.'"

Comments

what??

[Suppafly]

Games for linux? What's next? Games for Macs?

Re:what??

[Pyro226]

Games for linux? What's next? Games for Macs?

Check out Ambrosia Software. They've made a lot of great Mac games (Escape Velocity Series), and they are starting to port them to Linux (Maelstrom).

I set up a mac emulator on my Windows box just so I could play some of their games.

Re:what??

[Anonymous Coward]

yeah, i think i just saw pigs flying!

Re:what??

[Anonymous Coward]

As long as the games comply with the look and feel of the Mac, sure. Just dont expect an Alternative Fire mode :D

Re:what??

[Epistax]

I agree. I was going to get an old mac to play escape velocity, then they released it for PC.

Re:what??

[Pluvius]

Check out Ambrosia Software. They've made a lot of great Mac games (Escape Velocity Series), and they are starting to port them to Linux (Maelstrom).

They're also porting to Windows now. You can play the entire EV series using EV Nova for Windows, for example.

Rob

Re:what??

[ajaf]

Yes, check also: Wolfestein: Enemy Territory, Neverwinter Nights, Quake 3 Arena, Savage, Xbill... Linux is a great plataform for games! muehehe

Re:what??

[BackwardEngineer]

Which is a really great game... and a really great deal for what your getting, since you can mod it all up. i play it at least an hour each day.

Re:what??

[dswensen]

Ah yes, Ambrosia Software... finally, in the year 2003, you can play an updated version of Xevious! On your Mac! The future is now!

Seriously, this game came bundled with my iBook, touted as a game with "cutting-edge sound and graphics." Um. It's Xevious. Neat game and all, but I kinda played it before... in 1982!

Re:what??

[commodoresloat]

What's next? Games for Macs?

We do have Photoshop, ya know.

Re:what??

[Anonymous Coward]

Bah, back in the day, we all played things like The Bard's Tale and we were grateful even for that!

Re:what??

[krmt]

EV is the thing I miss most from my Mac days. If they ported it to linux I'd be ecstatic. It's a top-notch piece of work. If I had the time, I'd work on hacking up a clone version. You know a game is awesome if it's shareware and you want to clone it more than commercial games.

Re:what??

[t0ny]

From what Ive heard of Postal 2, you would be much happier with dental surgery.

Bittorrent

[imadcow1]

Direct link to bittorrent: http://www.3dgamers.com/torrents/games/postal2/Mis sions/postal2mpdemo-lnx-1407.tar.bz2.torrent

Re:Bittorrent

[dapuk]

That .torrent file link itself is returning 403 Forbidden already!

Re:Bittorrent

[imadcow1]

I am not getting 403 errors, but I put the torrent on my site anyway. Try this: madcowworld.com/postal2mpdemo-lnx-1407.tar.bz2.tor rent On another note, is anyone else having troubles posting comments? I kept getting 500 internal server error.

Re:Bittorrent

[Bender_]

Try this link instead, it should work:

http://www.torrentnet.com/torrents/games/linux/pos tal2mpdemo-lnx-1407.tar.bz2.torrent

Re:Bittorrent

[i.r.id10t]

I'm all for BT and what it can do... but it still sucks. I had my upload pegged and I was downloading at 1-2K/s... Downloading now from one of the mirrors that was listed, and I'm getting 25-30K/sec

Re:Bittorrent

[compwiz]

I threw my 100 Mbit server into the pool, so hopefully i should help speeds a bit.

Re:Bittorrent

[Kent Recal]

The BT works like a charme for me. Even tho my upload-rate is capped at 10kb/s I'm getting ~95kb/s straight D/L (from 40 sources).

Make sure you're using a good/recent client (e.g. the original BT Python Client or the excellent mldonkey)

Also make sure your Firewall is not blocking the BT ports: 6881-6889,6969 TCP. If you're running your BT downloader behind NAT you might have to forward these ports. Remember how BT works: If other downloaders can't connect to you they will slow YOUR download down to a very low rate (or just refuse to send you anything). That's the magic mechanism that keeps BT from being clogged down by freeloaders.

Re:Bittorrent

[randomblast]

That's interesting, because my download speeds vary, sometimes it's 2KB/s, sometimes the whole 70 KB/s.
But it always hogs my download so anything else only gets around 2KB/s, and DNS lookups are really slow.

I am using the cursed client from bitcounjurer (python sux), i will try another one.

Nice :)

[Anonymous Coward]

Just played the demo. It's very nice and runs smooth. Multiplayer is very funny :)

Poor Taste in Title of Game

[egg troll]

My favorite uncle is a mail carrier, as is his wife. Having mail carriers in the family, I can assure you that this game title is in very poor taste. Although there have been a several handfuls of shootings by other postal workers, there's nothing amusing about them. They're a senseless tragedy and I refuse to play any game that makes light of them.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[oldwolf13]

I'm sure all game makers will now take light of your wise statement and rename their games so as not to offend anyone.

All games now will be named "Super Fantastic Happy" and a version number at the end.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Anonymous Coward]

> They're a senseless tragedy and I refuse to play any game that makes light of them.

Since the first requirement of tragedy is hubris in the face of the gods, and there's little chance that your favorite uncle is both a mail carrier *and* a follower of the old Roman ways, I posit to you that the whole problem here is that you're a humorless, hypersensitive cunt.

Sit on *that* and spin, you asshat.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Anonymous Coward]

/Troll Badness

Yes, as a representative of the Xerox company and formerly the Kleenex Corporation I also take offence and absured cultural references to my products...

Grow a sense of humor.

/End Troll Badness

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Anonymous Coward]

waaaaaaaa

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[PepsiProgrammer]

This game does not make light of postal worker shootings. The main character 'Postal Dude' starts the game working at Running With Scissors.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Anonymous Coward]

You can go and get stuffed, you hyper-sensitive twat.

And fuck the Cubans and Haitians, too, for their whining about GTA:VC.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Anonymous Coward]

Unfortunately, there are just as many "postal" workers in other employment areas. Consider the shootings in Meridian, MS. at an aircraft parts plant in 2003.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[the Man in Black]

Since the first requirement of tragedy is hubris in the face of the gods, and there's little chance that your favorite uncle is both a mail carrier *and* a follower of the old Roman ways

I would like to gracefully bow my head and stand in awe of you. You are officially the only Slashdotter more sarcastic and thick with archaic knowledge than myself. I salute you, sir.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[King_TJ]

I'm not denying that the handful of shootings by postal workers is a tragedy -- but it's only a video game. I played Postal 2 quite a bit, and it pokes fun at all sorts of things, including groups against violence in games, life in the trailer parks, and a whole slew of sterotypical figures (arab grocery store owners, etc. etc.).

I think it's fairly obvious that the authors take nothing in the game too seriously. (Heck, one of the weapons is the guy throwing an unlimited supply of scissors at people. How realistic is that?)

IMHO, it's really a pretty humorous little game, if you don't get all worked up and offended over parts of it.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Loadmaster]

Then the title is perfect. Postal 2 is a senseless tragedy itself. We should all refuse to play this game since that will save us the five minutes it would take to realize we should have refused to play this game five minutes ago.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Anonymous Coward]

damn, why post as AC, I want to make you my friend

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Anonymous Coward]

Damn... I suddenly feel all special. You guys are the bestest friends an AC ever had.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[AndroidCat]

Oh course, since the original meaning of tragedy is "goat song", this is all probably some goatse troll.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[GearheadX]

I'd really hate to break this to you.. but the term has nothing to do with the character being a postal worker. At some point after the iniital string of postal workers going off the long end of a short pier the term 'Postal' came to mean ANYONE who flipped out for no apparent reason.

This game is hardly new.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[BrookHarty]

The whole point is to be totally off the wall, not politically correct, push boundries, go far outside acceptable.

Look at GTA, people don't like that game for its violence, but its the best selling game series out. My state even passed a law against it, lucky it was declared unconstitutional by our WA state supreme court.

Won't spin off into politics, but I wish we had more anarchy like this. People should be able to do whatever they want, even its totally untasteful, politically incorrect or against your religion. This goes for everything. Legal consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want in the privacy of their homes. Play videos games, listen to music, read books, or watch porn.

Police should be peace officers, not moral guardians for the majority.
-
Happy Holidays, I would say Merry Christmas, but thats not politcally correct.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Anonymous Coward]

You are absolutely right. I think if a game has the word "Postal" in the title, at the very least it should involve making snap decisions on whether to deliver unwanted bulk mail to the wrong people or lose important packages -- kind of like the mail carrier version of "Paperboy." You could gain extra points avoiding frisky pets, raising rates, and delivering final notices before the original bills.

The nice thing about it is that even old guys like me could play because there would be frequent, regular breaks, plus weekends and all major holidays off, and you could move at a snail's pace without losing the game. I'm sure this would be far less offensive than the current version.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Anonymous Coward]

Didn't someone tell you to shut the hell up a little while ago? If not... SHUT THE HELL UP EGG TROLL! nobody cares about what you have to say. If I ever meet you, you're new name will be Egg Salad.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Anonymous Coward]

You can go and get stuffed, you hyper-sensitive twat.

And fuck the Cubans and Haitians, too, for their whining about GTA:VC.

Do you even realize what you're saying? How can you possibly have such hatred towards the 19 million people of Cuba and Haiti?! It is obvious from your first line that you are not being light and jovial - so something must really be wrong with you! Maybe you are one of the (few) people who were 'brainwashed' by the 'racist' violence in GTA:VC!

What if the most popular game on the market encouraged players to kill as many Europeans or Americans as possible (if such a thing could ever actually be made)? Would you say it's all in good fun? You'd probably say it was terrorist propaganda. Similarly, if a game came out called "Inbred 2", you would likewise probably take it personally.

The Haitans and postal workers have every right to be insulted by this and you are an idiot.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Anonymous Coward]

Those haitan NIGGERS should NOT be in this country.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[DAldredge]

Well, if mail carriers did their job properly, then perhaps the rest of the world would not make fun of them. I mean how hard is it to NOT bend/shove/force large packages into a standard size mail box?

And don't blaim the shipper. The packing I am talking about was a package of Priority Mail supplies mail BY the USPS. The envelope was so ripped that I had to carry everything into my house. Is it that hard to walk up to my door (no animals) and put the package on my doorstep?

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Anonymous Coward]

> What if the most popular game on the market encouraged players to kill as many Europeans or Americans as possible (if such a thing could ever actually be made)?

Wolfenstein
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Call of Duty
Medal of Honor
Half-Life ('cept for the aliens
Day of Defeat

> Would you say it's all in good fun?

Actually, I'd say it's a *hell* of a lot of fun. And since the bad guys are all white, I don't have to feel guilty about killing thousands upon thousands of them! I can snipe the grey matter out of one blonde head after another, all night long, and not feel the first twinge of badness, since it's a 100% certainty that every one of those evil palefaces was about to oppress *some* aggrieved minority *somewhere* if I didn't stop him.

> Similarly, if a game came out called "Inbred 2", you would likewise probably take it personally.

You misspelled "Redneck Rampage."

Tell me - do you feel as stupid as you really are, or is it just a numb, tingly sort of sensation?

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[felonious]

Fuckin' A right. Although the game might be a wee bit immature it's a parody of itself. No one takes it seriously and what other games uses piss as a weapon? Personally I love to pee on someone in-game and then shovel them in the throat. Would I do this IRL? No but why not on the net?

There's hookers out there for guys/women who can't get any so why not murder for those who don't want to really do it because it can be a mess to clean up?

Can you imagine if you pissed on someone till they puked and then gave 'em the shovel IRL? I bet you would get in trouble not to mention the embarassment of the crime so personally I'd have to get rid of the body so I wouldn't get caught. It's a good thing I like fava beans and chianti and my toilet is very powerful or I'd have to pull a "Peterson" and we all know how well that works.

Seriously if you don't think running around pissing on people in a multi-player environment isn't nirvana then something is wrong with you. I will also second the "cunt" comment. Get a sense of humor or stfu:D

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Anonymous Coward]

Number of people in this world who I seriously hope have fertility problems: n + 1.

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Anonymous Coward]

The number of people who would give a half a shit what you think 6,000,000,000

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Uncle Gropey]

As a mailman myself, I just hang 'em right on the box with rubber bands if they're too big for it. My motto: if it won't hang on the box, you're not trying hard enough. If your carrier does things you don't like, just like use UPS or something. And the USPS needs to lighten the fuck up about videogames and Mad TV sketches. Jesus...

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[transient]

Reminds me of a press release put out by the band Anthrax shortly after September 11. The best part is the postscript: "PS - If an Anthrax member gets Anthrax, call Alanis Morrisette. That would be ironic. Don't you think?"

Re:Poor Taste in Title of Game

[Anonymous Coward]

thats still 3 billion shits now isnt it?

FP

[Anonymous Coward]

FIRST POST!!! YA

Where's the torrent?

[Via_Patrino]

Where's the torrent? I bet it will be ./ soon :-)

Sweet Baby Jebuz! Fristity Poist!

[Anonymous Coward]

w00t! I rule the CLIT! I rule the GNAA! I rule that pack of micro-penised wannabe asstroopers the Trollkore! I claim this forest post in the name of goodness and purity and harmonium between the races!

Except the Irish.

Share The Pain

[Anonymous Coward]

Perhaps the most appropriate subtitle for a game ever. If you play it, you'll be sharing the pain of everyone else that has had that unpleasure.

Training Simulator

[DoctorHoe]

Wouldn't this sell better if it were labeled a sim? Also did anyone notice the character at the top of the site in the link? It looks like someone's sac.

Re:Training Simulator

[Hillman]

yep, it's mine. Stop looking.

Re:Training Simulator

[Anonymous Coward]

It's Santa, a jolly guy with a white beard and a big sack of goodies.

I thought it was a slow /. day

[Anonymous Coward]

With the low comments, I was ascribing it to teh holidays.

Then I noticed that slashdot's resident troll-in-chief, Michael, has posted all stories today. I can only assume that the vast majority of slashdotters have checked the ignore michael option in their preference, leaving only poor old AC's like myself to deal with his putrid spewings.

Oh well.

lets all rejoice!

[Transcendent]

...for linux users finally have a game where you can beat a puking person down with a shovel after you pee on them, and then light them on fire!

The world will finally be a better place...

Re:lets all rejoice!

[kfg]

Sorry, I play games to have fun and maybe let off a little steam. I just don't see the point of playing a game that makes me do the sort of mindless and repetitive chores I have to do in real life all day.

KFG

Re:lets all rejoice!

[artemis67]

Postal 2 was nominated to be one of the Most Embarrassing Games of the Year by GameSpot...

OTOH, it DOES have Gary Coleman in it!

Re:lets all rejoice!

[Anonymous Coward]

...or you can have them run on fire, screaming, and puking blood (from a severed animal head).

Re:lets all rejoice!

[dswensen]

Coincidence? I think not, sir!

Re:lets all rejoice!

[Oliver Wendell Jones]

This is not the sort of game you play so that you can tell your grandkids "ya know, back when I was your age we had wholesome, fun games with a purpose and meaning".

This is a game you play when you want to blow shit up and laugh like a loon. Like when you get home from a typical day at work.

This has possibilities

[MAPA3M]

Great....

A bunch of geeks with antisocial tendencies duking it out through the eyes of a buch of characters with SEVERE antisocial tendencies....

Something tells me that one of these days we'll see a headline stating: "Geek goes postal, chokes 10 lamers with cat-5 cable"

Re:This has possibilities

[Anonymous Coward]

Good for him. There are already too many lamers on this planet.... busloads of lamers in fact.

Re:This has possibilities

[ErikTheRed]

Something tells me that one of these days we'll see a headline stating: "Geek goes postal, chokes 10 lamers with cat-5 cable"

More accurately: Geek goes postal, chokes 10 lamers with cat-5 cable, lights them on fire, and then urinates on them.

Re:This has possibilities

[shaitand]

yes but a true geek would manage to light them on fire with nothing but a paperclip and woodshavings at his disposal.

Re:This has possibilities

[Anonymous Coward]

As long as the soon-to-be-incinerated paperclip is of the "Clippy, the demonic MS Office animation" variety.

Re:This has possibilities

[Anonymous Coward]

Although I'm sure this is a joke, I wish people would learn the difference between antisocial and asocial.

Geeks are mostly asocial - i.e. avoidant or schizoid personality. There's nothing dangerous or suspicious about asocial behavior per se, although it may lead to alienation. Some people, most of them not people anyone would consider "geeks", are antisocial - i.e. destructive, psychopathic, sociopathic.

People who "go postal" may be asocial, antisocial, both or neither, but are most likely either psychotic (anyone can become momentarily psychotic) or antisocial.

Brief, informal definitions of a few terms, just to avoid common misconceptions:

Schizoid/asocial - a personality type, someone who avoids people and social contact.

Psychopath/sociopath - an untreatable personality disorder, lack of empathy and consideration for other people. Often abusers and deceivers of others, also often risk-takers.

Psychotic - suffering from psychosis.

Psychosis - a strongly delusional state of mind, e.g. severe paranoia.

Schizophrenia - a common, treatable (but often severe if untreated) mental illness with symptoms including various types of psychosis.

Note that psychotic and psychopathic refer to different types of behavior, the former is more likely uncontrolled, momentary insanity, the latter is more likely controlled, deliberate and (to the extent that the word has any valid, objective meaning) evil.

Re:This has possibilities

[EvilNTUser]

"Something tells me that one of these days we'll see a headline stating: \"Geek goes postal, chokes 10 lamers with cat-5 cable\""

Pfft. A true geek would use at least Cat5e.

Re:This has possibilities

[Oliver Wendell Jones]

lights them on fire, and then urinates on them

Obviously you haven't played... urinating on someone puts the fire out, and why would you want to do that?

Linux Games

[Anonymous Coward]

This story demonstrates the glaring weakness of Linux; games. I'm sure this 'Share the Pain' game is enjoyable for some people, but when I go to a best buy, or circuit city, the selection of quality windows games is endless.

Is this the achilles heels of open source development? It might be, but very few people will admit it. It seems to be Free Software's dirty little secret. It can't turn out high quality games to compete with the big boys.

Time to fess up, zealots.

Re:Linux Games

[Tsali]

Which is somewhat ironic...

The profit margin on a game is pretty small if you can ever get one to publish. Add on support and testing due to N combinations of drivers, and games are very labor intensive. Now, throw on N combinations of N programs for N linux distributions, and you have yourself an absolute nightmare. That's why you see console games more quickly - less testing on bad hardware.

Compound on the fact that game players are PHB's in their own right in the sense they can ask for features, features, features, and not demand another cent out of it.

The only way you'll see games on Linux is if someone does the following (and if someone has, we need better marketeers...)

- A somewhat standard architecture (OpenGL springs to mind)...
- A standard *BSD* toolkit using that architecture. People should be able to try to make a buck from it. This implies a somewhat standard language (or at least a standard messaging protocol (CORBA)). Candidate would be C++, although it would be nice to see others.
- A dedicated group of people to do it with.
- Someone comes up with some neat ideas that they would want to work for free on.

For only 2% of the market, you'll rarely see stuff in the stores. Best Buy carries zilch and MicroCenter carries a handful of Linux apps. If 2% of 2% wants to buy a game that only 2% of that target group wants, you'll have a hard time finding 2% of the developers willing to contribute.

That said, it is more possible if Linux picks up market share and attitudes change. In the meantime, we're stuck.

T.

Re:Linux Games

[Anonymous Coward]

"Is this the achilles heels of open source development?" Not really. The achilles heels of open source development is that ugly tux logo people insist on plastering everywhere.

Re:Linux Games

[Joe Tie.]

Time to fess up, zealots.

You maintain that there's an endless supply of quality games out there and at the same time accuse 'other' people of zelotry? I know tastes differ, but I find the vast majority of games for any platform, windows, console or otherwise to be crap.

It seems to be Free Software's dirty little secret.

What! You mean to tell me that there's not a lot of games for Linux? With a sharp, insightful bit of wisdom like that no wonder you got modded Informative! I don't think anyone's ever noticed that before. Another dirty little secret we keep is that water is wet, and that fire burns!

Re:Linux Games

[Shockmaster]

When you think about it, it's not really all that surprising that open-source games are all too often not paticularly good. Among those that are even remotely good, many are clones (FreeCiv -> Civnet, TuxRacer -> MarioKart, etc). The fact is that a game remains one of the more difficult projects that someone can code. It's extremely expensive to come up with not only a good engine, but graphics, interface design, story, audio, etc, especially when the potential monetary gain is nil, and your audience is restricted to 5% of all computer users.

Re:Linux Games

[shaitand]

Open source was able to match the big boys in one swoop. Refer to winex and you'll find most all of those titles in the store run on linux.

Re:Linux Games

[Anonymous Coward]

If games were developed with SDL and OpenGL then there wont be the issues in porting and having to test if it works.

A few minor changes may have to be made for different directory structures. Socket code maybe need to be slightly modified to make sure its cross platform.

Serval major game engines have used this technicque with success so I dont think its a hard ask for for developers to use OpenGL and sdl.

Re:Linux Games

[runderwo]

Inferring that your *BSD* comment was an anti-GNU stab, what exactly do you mean by "should be able to make a buck from it"? What is so wrong with SDL's approach and the LGPL license for toolkits? How many people would contribute to an open source project knowing that others can freeload their code? Sure, there are an altruistic few that code simply for the heck of it and need no other motivation, but the harsh reality is that they are a vast minority compared to us who prefer our free work to remain protected.

Re:Linux Games

[Anonymous Coward]

winex sucks

Re:Linux Games

[Tsali]

An anti-GPL stab? Hardly.

I meant merely that there should be a license that allows commercial interests to use the code as well without worrying about the GPL. Be that BSD or LGPL as you suggested, I don't think it matters that much.

The motivation for profit is still greater than the motivation for endeavor. Gaming software is no different in this regard.

That said, it would be grand if it were all GPL, but I just don't see that happening.

Re:Linux Games

[droleary]

This story demonstrates the glaring weakness of Linux; games.

It's a shame most moderators have their head's up their (or Linus') ass and modded you down for pointing that out. What you say is absolutely true, but it is true for any non-Windows computer. There is really nothing inherently wrong with other OSes that keeps games off them other than marketshare. What is interesting is how consoles don't suffer from the numbers game nearly as badly.

Is this the achilles heels of open source development? It might be, but very few people will admit it. It seems to be Free Software's dirty little secret. It can't turn out high quality games to compete with the big boys.

Actually, the "dirty secret" is that the big boys have MS Blinders on. Beyond that, they have PC blinders on. I mean, and I've said this before, it is simply a bonehead business move to release a game for the Linux market and not for the Mac market. Both are game-thirsty Unix systems with similar porting needs, with the Mac getting points on having common hardware interfaces/driver support plus a larger market. Further, Linux users are used to software that comes with source and has no cost while the Mac user is used to paying for commercial software. Any manager who would target Linux before OS X should be fired.

Re:Linux Games

[sageman]

...ahem, 10%. I think. Eh, 86% of all statostics are made up on the spot.

A proposal

[dirtmerchant]

I definitely think Inculus is going for the "lowest common denominator" audience with this one:

DANGER
This site contains content not approved for consumption by children, senators, religious leaders and/or other easily damaged psyches, those seeking to enhance or establish political careers and/or possessed of delusions of grandeur. If accidentally exposed, flush eyes with cold water and induce vomiting. If irritation persists, sit quietly and watch PBS. Not for internal use. This site and its related products/propaganda are GUARANTEED not to make you go blind, masturbate (and THEN go blind), become a social liability, induce you to act out atrocities that you would otherwise never indulge in, or burn eternally in hell. Running With Scissors accepts NO responsibility for any and all random acts of stupidity or violence committed by losers who may blame popular entertainment media and/or sugary snack foods for causing their inherent basic lack of control. You're on your own. Thank you and good night.

Which could explain the article being Slash-worthy.

Re:A proposal

[LDoggg_]

I definitely think Inculus is going for the "lowest common denominator" audience with this one:

Icculus was not going for the lowest common anything. Running with Scissors might be, but Icculus is a programmer that ports games to linux. He's done more for the linux gaming community than just about anyone else out there. Alot of the stuff he's done, ports, maintaining icculus.org etc. he's done because he's just a good guy. Many of the ports he's done are because he gets paid to do them. Who gives a shit what some people think about the morality of certain games that are labeled with an appropriate rating anyways?
Some of us do have to earn a living you know.

Re:A proposal

[Anonymous Coward]

execpt the part about inducing masturbation -- remeber this is /. and so anything that is remotely cool, like a game running on Linux is bound to create a few sticky keyboards....

Hear Hear

[Anonymous Coward]

My favorite is a car thief, as is his wife. Having car thieves in the family, I can assure you that the game time Grand Theft Auto is in very poor taste. Although there have been a several handfuls of shootings by other car thieves, there's nothing amusing about them. They're a sensless tragedy and I refuse to play any game that makes light of them.

Like Most...

[dolo666]

... you take yourself too seriously. Games are not meant to be about life. That's the thing... they are meant to be fun, and poke fun at the hard stuff.

Video Games are like comedy; they are there to relieve stress.

Re:Like Most...

[Saeger]

But... but... won't somebody please think of the CHILDREN?!

I played this game a while ago, and after the funny "shock value" gimmicks wore off (quickly), all that was left was Y.A.B.S. (Yet Another Boring Shooter).

--

Re:Like Most...

[KBV]

Postal 2 is fun? I just don't see it. GTA is fun cause it's more of a satire on the world, while Postal is just 'wrong'. Same goes for 'Manhunt'.

I'm all for freedom of speech in games, but does that mean that they - games companies - should people able to do what they want in their games?

Shit I'm going to get flamed for this. :P

Re:Like Most...

[Anonymous Coward]

I take it you'd have the same attitude towards the upcoming "Twin Towers -- Strike Force" game?

Re:Like Most...

[Mr. Slippery]

I'm all for freedom of speech in games, but does that mean that they - games companies - should people able to do what they want in their games?

Yes. It does.

It's not a hard question. Freedom of expression applied to video games means that games companies can do what they want in their games. Don't like it? Your freedom of expression includes the right to say you don't like it, and to encourage other people to not buy or play the game, and to boycott the game company.

Re:Like Most...

[KBV]

So if someone created a game where you could rape children that would be ok with everyone, and since it's freedom of speech, we couldn't do anything about it?

Re:Like Most...

[Mr. Slippery]

So if someone created a game where you could rape children that would be ok with everyone, and since it's freedom of speech, we couldn't do anything about it?

Would it be ok with everyone? Of course not. Many people would complain, call the creators sickos, divest themselves of any financial interest in the company, organize boycotts of any retailer that carrried it, osttacise the authors and anyone who played the game, and so on.

Would it be legally or ethically permissible to take authors, distributors, or players of such a game and force them into cages at gunpoint? No. That's freedom of speech.

Gee

[Anonymous Coward]

Gee, I'm sure all seven people who use Linux for gaming will be pleased.

Postal as a game...

[Soulfarmer]

is as funny and entertaining as The Sims with a shotgun. You can do what you like... so what? Where is the reward? In the empty clip/magazine?

Tried SP-Postal2... didn't find anything funny in it, well, the one part where I did urinate on one eye-witness until she puked. That was fun for one time, and then the fun was out the window...

Re:Postal as a game...

[DrXym]

That's because Postal 2 thinks gross out humour makes up for rotten and repetitive gameplay. If you appreciate the gross-out element, download the demo and savour it. The full game adds nothing new except one tedious box like maze level after another.

Re:Postal as a game...

[Anonymous Coward]

[Postal as a game] is as funny and entertaining as The Sims with a shotgun.

And how!

share the pain demo?

[Savatte]

is that the simulation of the WindowsXP install process?

Re:share the pain demo?

[satanami69]

What, does your finger cramp up after clicking next?

Re:share the pain demo?

[Anonymous Coward]

But not as bad as the Debian Install proceess.

I expect the -1, troll treatment and the flames of a 1000 Debian fanboys for this, but compared to Mandrake's, Fedoras and even Gentoos installer, Debian is pure evil. And don't eve mention third party crap such as knoppix or libranet. Why should a 3rd party fix something as simple as a FREAKING INSTALLER, and don't mention the architecture thing, if the Contiki guys can write a graphical operating system for machines with 4Kb of ram, you should too.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Pluvius]

I think it's the fact that installing XP is actually simple and painless, which is actually painful to a masochist (read: Linux user).

Rob

Re:share the pain demo?

[Alan]

The install of windows is relatively painless, it's the 8 hour reboot, install updates, reboot, install more updates, reboot, install yet more updates, reboot, install a new program (ie: WMP), reboot, install updates to that, etc.

Installing windows is fine, making it usable is painful.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Pluvius]

Using Windows Update, I only had to reboot once or twice to make my XP up to date. Took me a half-hour or so at most.

Rob

Re:share the pain demo?

[Alan]

Ok, now go and install windows media player. Reboot. Then you have to do the update again. And reboot again.

I'm guessing you didn't install SP1, which takes probably about 20 minutes to install (xp2500) even without the time it takes to do the download.

It took me a half hour to let it go and download/update the 30+ security and critical updates alone. Of course, if you didn't install these then yea, it'd be much faster. What was your IP again? clickety-click :)

Re:share the pain demo?

[blincoln]

I'm guessing you didn't install SP1, which takes probably about 20 minutes to install (xp2500) even without the time it takes to do the download.

Download it once, slipstream it into the XP install files, and burn yourself a new XP CD. Then you'll never have to worry about it again.

The last time I rebuilt my XP machine at work (using a CD like that) it took 2-3 reboots to get it completely up to date.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Pluvius]

My copy came with SP1, so no, I didn't have to install it. As for the other updates, it helped that I was at college at the time, with a really fast connection.

Oh, and I'm not using XP right now, as my computer blew up and I'm waiting for a barebones system I just ordered to come in before I can use my big HD again. Right now I'm on an old crappy computer with Windows 98 ;_;

Rob

Re:share the pain demo?

[Tony Hoyle]

However on a default install it takes XP about 20ish reboots (provided you can get it installed before blaster fubars it) plus about half a dozen driver CDs, which I have to keep hunting for as I can never find them (a couple of them are busted, eg. my tv card doesn't work under Windows any more).

Slipstreaming doesn't count. Heck, I could make a ghost image of an installed drive and ship that around and claim it took zero reboots...

Re:share the pain demo?

[Pluvius]

What the hell kind of parts do you have in your computer? Practically all the drivers I needed were already included with XP; the only thing I couldn't get to work properly was my old printer.

Rob

Re:share the pain demo?

[THEbwana]

... I installed XP on my Dell laptop (needed win2k but there were no win2k compatible drivers for my ati radeon card ! ). The installation took ages - had to download drivers separately for my:
- graphics card
- sound card
- printer
- networking card
When installing linux on the very same laptop - it took me only 30 minutes. ALL hardware was supported without any additional downloads.
Thats the difference.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Anonymous Coward]

what a joke...

1) geforce4mx, the driver in xp isn't good even for standard 2d use...
2) usb2 controller
3) integrated audio (ecs k7s5a pro with sis 735 chipset)
4) intel pci modem
5) pci bt878 tvcard
6) probably every scanner on earth...
and many more...

Re:share the pain demo?

[Anonymous Coward]

All I can say is this...

Bullshit.

I installed Linux on my laptop and it took me an hour to install it, half an hour to recompile the kernel when I was done doing that, I wasn't able to install video card drivers, sound took new alsa libraries to get working. Honestly, you are too stupid to use windows if it took you that long so I have no idea how you could possibly even know how to boot off a cd.

Re:share the pain demo?

[blincoln]

However on a default install it takes XP about 20ish reboots (provided you can get it installed before blaster fubars it) plus about half a dozen driver CDs, which I have to keep hunting for as I can never find them (a couple of them are busted, eg. my tv card doesn't work under Windows any more).

I think you must be using some crappy alternate install process. Maybe it was made by the same people who produced the "open source" patch for IE?

I've installed XP at least ten times on different machines. You boot from the CD and let it do its thing. It reboots once. You install all of your drivers, telling them "no, I'll reboot later," then reboot once when that part is done. You go to Windows Update and install hotfixes, then reboot one last time. That's three reboots.

If you *didn't* slipstream in SP1 (which is dumb, because there's no reason to install a non-SP1 machine, it saves you a ton of time and costs no more than a single blank CD), you'll need to reboot two more times - for the SP, and for the latest version of DirectX.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Anonymous Coward]

Everything in this post is objectively true, yet it still gets modded down. Just more evidence that Slashbots can't deal with reality.

Re:share the pain demo?

[shaitand]

Gee, the last time I installed a linux system it took one reboot through the whole process including gettting it up to date. The one where i rebooted into my new linux system.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Anonymous Coward]

Using Windows Update, I only had to reboot once or twice to make my XP up to date. Took me a half-hour or so at most.

Sure. Windows comes with zero programs. No wonder it installs fast. Add some usability and you have a day installfest.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Pluvius]

Sure. Windows comes with zero programs.

And Linux does? I guess apt-get doesn't exist in your world or something.

Rob

Re:share the pain demo?

[Pluvius]

Percentage of computers that work properly with Windows XP without any tweaking = 90
Percentage of computer that work properly with Linux without any tweaking = 10

That is the difference.

Rob

Re:share the pain demo?

[Pluvius]

Gee, the last time I installed a linux system it took one reboot through the whole process including gettting it up to date.

Yeah, but how long did it take? Furthermore, how many times did you want to throw your keyboard through the monitor because the OS wouldn't detect your modem, or something like that?

Rob

Re:share the pain demo?

[Dhalka226]

Percentage of statistics made up on the spot to support whatever claim the author wishes to support: 95.

Re:share the pain demo?

[THEbwana]

I have never ever managed to install a windows machine without having to go off to look for drivers elsewhere. I've installed XP on four different machines during the past 12 months and I always had to do separate driver downloads.
However, in most cases the only "external" downloads I've had to do when installing Linux were accelerated grfx drivers (svga has worked out of the box though).

Maybe you've got experience of installing on other hardware ? or maybe you're comparing to some old linuxdist ? or maybe youre using vendor customized windows install cds ?
Must be, since my experience is exactly the opposite of yours.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Sevn]

Ummm, last time took me about 40 minutes to install Red Hat ES 3.0, most of that being format time (1 TB Fiber Channel). And I can't remember wanting to throw anything anywhere because I'm not a fucking moron that doesn't understand how computers work. Everything in the DL380 was detected and worked like a charm. One reboot. Ran up2date. Machine updated. First time I had ever installed Red Hat ES 3.0. Of course, Linux is beyond some people that need pretty pictures and everything explained to them. There is this growing need to have things so ridiculously easy that morons can understand them. The 12:00 12:00 12:00 on the VCR crowd. There has always been a need for the mediocritomatons to raise hell about things they are too fucking stupid to understand though. Just don't expect the rest of the world to dumb itself down for your stupid asses forever.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Anonymous Coward]

> Using Windows Update, I only had to reboot once or twice to make my XP up to date.

Bullshit. You sir are either not up to date, or you are lying.

Post SP1, I last counted FIVE reboots... and just from the "Critical" section. There were another FOUR reboots in the "Urgent" section.

Sure, I could have skipped some of them, if I didn't mind a video player that "may cause the computer to stop responding"... or live without DirectX 9a (I'm sure I'd be OK skipping bugfixes anyways... Microsoft keeps TONS of non-DX9a XP systems in their test labs for us folks who don't accept updates at face value... ya right).

XP has come a long way from the days of making Windows NT 4 development workstation -- I credit MS that much. I remember installing Developer Studio and NT was a 3 day process. Now it's just one day on XP but it's still many hours too long.

Which is why I laugh at Microsoft... I come home, and installed a development Linux Mandrake system in 30 mins flat, including updates that never require rebooting (OK, *kernels* do require reboots on Linux but that's by definition).

Re:share the pain demo?

[op00to]

Nice gross generalization. Please, provide us with some sort of documentation for your ridiculous claim.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Anonymous Coward]

"What, does your finger cramp up after clicking next?"

No. It's my brain that cramps; wondering what the fuck this software is doing to my computer.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Anonymous Coward]

I have a good reason not to install SP1, albeit an arcane one. I got a Thinkpad T23 with no OS, but the S3 graphics card needed the S3 drivers before SP1 upgrade (took a couple of installs to get it through my thick head)... after I installed the Gfx driver and then updated to SP1. Success... but I definetly had to patch it against blaster faster than you can say "shitty defaults"

Re:share the pain demo?

[shaitand]

Actually I find that anaconda does a superior job of detecting hardware to anything short of a mac using all apple hardware. 99.999% of the time you run the install and your done as far as hardware configuration goes.

Winmodems might still be an issue, I really wouldn't know... broadband is everywhere, and if windows has an edge on modems that were designed to run exclusively on windows, linux certainly beats windows hands down for detecting network cards that weren't.

If you should run into an oddball piece of hardware, it's rare enough that a google search for "linux insert your hardware here" will undoubtedly yield a howto that describes how to make your hardware work step by step. These things are no more difficult for someone who doesn't know how to use their OS than the same task in windows. They are extremely easy for someone who DOES know how to use their OS regardless of which system your on.

Generally it takes under an hour to have a desktop system up running and fully configured, updated and ready to go. A server typically takes less however there is a bit of time to configure services depending on just what your setting up.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Pluvius]

Wow. I hope making a bunch of assumptions about my intelligence because I don't like Linux makes you feel better about living in your parents' basement.

Rob

Re:share the pain demo?

[Pluvius]

Post SP1, I last counted FIVE reboots... and just from the "Critical" section. There were another FOUR reboots in the "Urgent" section.

You do realize that "post SP1" covers over a year of updates to-date, right? I installed XP a year ago.

Rob

Re:share the pain demo?

[Pluvius]

I will, as soon as the guy I was replying to explains how his anecdotal evidence proves that Linux is easier to install than XP in general.

Rob

Re:share the pain demo?

[Anonymous Coward]

Stop spreading FUD. XP takes at most 3-5 reboots on installation. That includes installing Media Player 9, Directx 9, all patches from windows update and every single driver any normal person will need. If you need half a dozen driver CDs then stop using shit hardware.

Re:share the pain demo?

[acidrain69]

Slipstreaming doesn't count. Heck, I could make a ghost image of an installed drive and ship that around and claim it took zero reboots...

It sure does count. Otherwise you have to start with linux kernel 2.2.19, and upgrade form there.

Re:share the pain demo?

[SethJohnson]

I know this is way off topic, but what Laptop model and what linux distro? I'm interested in a linux laptop, but I've heard some of the proprietary hardware is very difficult to get compatibility for in linux. thanks.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Anonymous Coward]

Well obviously it says something about your intelligence.

Congratuations, you have been trolled.
http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html

"... To utter a posting designed to attract predictable responses... [to insult and provoke]. ... The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it."

Better luck next time, kiddo.

Re:share the pain demo?

[THEbwana]

Ah - the "so easy to install" statements I made before do not cover any Centrino based stuff.
I've heard some nasty stuff about centrino. I was considering buying a Sony TR1A but decided against it because of their idiotic anti-linux policy.
If I'm not mistaken, when you buy a Centrino based IBM laptop you can specify a different, more linux friendly wireless chip (CISCO) instead of the Intel one. If I was buying a Centrino laptop, I would probably go for one of the IBM's since they seem to work a lot better under Linux (seems like IBM actually cared about that...though maybe not enough to get Microsoft pissed off ;).

I did two laptop installs - the first was an IBM Thinkpad A21P.
Excellent computer but maybe a year or two old by now.
Second laptop was a Dell Inspiron 8200.

- Both laptops do 1600x1400 res (with absolutely fantastic image quality).
- Get the 5400 rpm HD upgrade (for both of them). It's really worth it.
- You get the biggest bang for the buck with the Dell Inspiron if compared to IBM. Four of my colleagues did their own research on which laptop to buy - we all ended up buying Inspiron 8200's, something we didnt notice until we all had purchased them. Four geeks making the same choice independently of each other must mean something. And we're still all happy with it.

- Both laptops are to be regarded as desktop replacements (they weigh a bit). They were both used as development workstations and for demo's and such.
- I put RH8 on both laptops (work reasons) but switched to gentoo on the Dell when I given the chance (thats what I currently use).

Oh .. both laptops were/are used for SW development. I haven't played a computer game for a few years now.. so if you're looking for a gaming laptop, I wouldnt be the right person to ask.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Anonymous Coward]

You're a troll. You've never even tried to install Linux, because you're afraid of it, for whatever reasons.. Perhaps a "leap to the unknown" kind of thing. I suggest you try to install it and then say it's harder to install, if it really is so.

Yes, I have installed all kinds of Windows and all kinds of Linuxes.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Anonymous Coward]

If you don't reboot after EVERY driver installation, you run the risk of none of the drivers installing properly, or their resources being utilized by OTHER drivers..

Re:share the pain demo?

[Anonymous Coward]

K been reading your posts. Wondering why you think your input on why it was so easy to install windows is even relevant, now that you admit that your computer would AT THIS TIME need all these updates that weren't existant when you installed your windows.

Re:share the pain demo?

[Pluvius]

Hmm. So a troll on /. is a huge reply to a three-line post? I figured it would be the other way around, like it is everywhere else on the Internet.

Thanks for the info,
Rob

Re:share the pain demo?

[Pluvius]

You're a troll.

That's correct, but I really don't like Linux, and I truly believe most of what I've posted in this thread thus far.

You've never even tried to install Linux

Not only have I tried to install Linux, I actually did install Linux. I used it for about a week or so, after which I determined that there was absolutely no reason to use it instead of Windows for normal tasks.

Perhaps it would clarify things if I told you that I installed the Debian distro. You know, since there's not much of a point in paying for a free OS (e.g. Red Hat and Mandrake).

because you're afraid of it

Hardly. Why in the hell would I be afraid of Linux?

Rob

Re:share the pain demo?

[SethJohnson]

Great info. Thanks! I want to do development on mine, also. I'll check into the Inspirions. I didn't know any laptops supported more than 1280 by 1024. This is pretty cool. Appreciatively, Seth

Re:MOD ME DOWN.

[dapuk]

Seemingly they don't like us using wget.

My God, why post AC?

[Anonymous Coward]

Fucking brilliant. Mod up.

Also reported on Happypenguin.org.

[Anonymous Coward]

Happy penguin.org is one of the best places to go to learn about the latest Linux games, heres the article

Re:Also reported on Happypenguin.org.

[nixusers]

Thanks I was looking all over a place for a link like this. Everytime I tried to Google a good link I always got Loki Games and from my understanding they are closed.

No problem

[AndroidCat]

Just change it to shooting spammers--no one will object to that.

Yeah, you think this is good NOW...

[DrEldarion]

... but wait until Linus gets sued when some 13-year-old Linux user shoots up his school.

Re:Yeah, you think this is good NOW...

[ag3n7]

Yeah, he probably was driven over the edge because he had to recompile the kernel to use his video card. :-).

Re:Yeah, you think this is good NOW...

[EduardoFonseca]

Imagine if he had to reinstall XP because of (insert evil trojan here) destroyed all his files?. He would become the next Osama...

Re:Yeah, you think this is good NOW...

[shaitand]

Oh you didn't know? that's why Osama and his followers are so pissed at the US.

They've used winXP and really want a piece of Microsoft, which the world knows owns the US since the DOJ case.

Re:Yeah, you think this is good NOW...

[herrvinny]

The sad thing is, it's probably true... What with the state of American education and the gun culture. (Don't flame me, I'm a proud, born and bred American, went to American elementary, junior, and high schools, and am a freshman at U of Wisc @ Madison)

Re:Yeah, you think this is good NOW...

[Anonymous Coward]

Better than having to upgrade the OS, hard disk, motherboard, memory, processor and power supply in order to use a new video card.

Re:Yeah, you think this is good NOW...

[kasperd]

he probably was driven over the edge because he had to recompile the kernel to use his video card.

I wouldn't go that far, just because I had to recompile the kernel. OTOH if it still didn't work after recompiling my kernel, because the documentation the driver developers got from the hardware manufactures was incorrect or inadequate, then I might feel like killing somebody.

It Gets Old

[egg troll]

There was an individual a few years ago who shot up his office and killed many of his coworkers. He was some depressed, long-haired coder with a gun fetish. Imagine if based on that the whole nation had said someone who is mentally unstable is "going programmer". Furthermore, imagine if they all assumed that every coders or geek was the same as Michael McDermott. You'd get tired of it very quickly, and probably be more than a little offended by it.

Re:It Gets Old

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, well, sorry.

While I do remember there being several workplace shootings in the past few years, I also seem to remember that before that there was a rash of post office workers going on shooting rampages.

The trend of taking a gun and killing your bosses and coworkers when workplace tensions became unsolveable and unbearable appears to have originated in the postal service. That is what led to the cliche/phrase "going postal."

My step-mother works (or maybe it should be worked - ain't seen her in years) for the Post Office. In addition a friend's wife worked for them as well. From what I know of the system there it is nearly impossible to get rid of problem personnel.

The inability to quickly and efficiently remove problem personnel, whether managers who become overbearing, micro-managing, megalomaniacal, control freaks, or whether disaffected, angry, hostile, insubordinate subordinates, would seem to lend itself to making the workplace a seething cauldron of repressed anger where when things build up to someone's breaking point things are going to become explosive very quickly with workers devising their own way of quickly and efficiently removing the personnel perceived to be the cause of the problem.

Re:It Gets Old

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm pretty sure no one has a fear of going into the post office for that reason, get over yourself, and try to keep the troll out of your name when you troll, more effective that way. Tool

Re:It Gets Old

[Anonymous Coward]

Everyone gets offended by something, and you're proof of this. It's called 'living in a society', really, I'm not making this up. I'm white and get offended by non-whites that push some kind of reverse racism in my face. Some say it's just par for the course because of previous actions by white people; I say that's horseshit because neither I nor the last six generations of my family ever did anything to promote racism or slavery. Matter of perspective on who's right, and yet I and the people that act like crap toward me are still going to Mickey D's, clubs, the supermarket, working, buying games, etc etc.

Bottom line: live in society, learn to occasionally eat shit. You can complain for sure, but if the best thing you can do is try to stop people from performing non-malicious actions, you need to live in a remote cabin and hunt for your food. You aren't proposing some kind of legal or physical action against these people, but the way you're coming off speaks volumes.

Re:It Gets Old

[Anonymous Coward]

You'd get tired of it very quickly, and probably be more than a little offended by it.

Ah, you'll get used to it. I imagine other people in Cleveland feel like I do when someone brings up the Cuyahoga River catching fire once in the 1970's. Har har har... yes, we haven't heard that for 30 years. Almost always told by someone who hasn't visited Ohio in decades and thinks they're being witty. That'd be as stupid as me saying "How are those race riots going down there in Alabama? Can your blacks vote yet or do the cops still hose them down with firehoses? Rofl!!!"

Re:It Gets Old

[Tim C]

Funny; a friend of mine and I actually use the phrase "going codal" to describe just such a situation, although I don't remember ever hearing about that. We generally use it in a "much more of this crap, and I'll go codal!!" sense.

Perhaps I'd get tired of it, but offended? No; I have much more pressing things to get offended about, personally, like strangers swearing at me in the street for the way I'm dressed (all black, boots, long coat - "hey, no, no-one else has ever shouted 'Hey, Neo!' or 'Fucking wanker!!!' at me, how clever of you to think of that")

Hell, there's a chance I'd use it to my advantage - "You'd better be nice to me, and stop making such unreasonable demands; you know how.. twitchy... us programmers can get...!"

Re:It Gets Old

[Anonymous Coward]

Or offended by the anti-abortionist protestors that wander the streets carrying signs showing.. not pictures of aborted fetuses.. but pictures of mutilated baby corpses.. and then wonder why, whenever they are blocking the ENTRANCE TO WHERE I WORK (not the abortion clinic they are protesting, but a business several doors down), I fail to use a turn signal, and turn immediatly into the driveway, sending them scattering as quickly as possible. :D

Debian

[Anonymous Coward]

Hopefully you will be able to shoot running
Debian logos because Debian Linux is the worst Linux
distro on the planet. This game will probably require hours of upgrading libs on
Debian if at all possible to work.

Re:MOD ME DOWN.

[Anonymous Coward]

This can't be a popular download, I'm only getting about 6KiB download :( I'd expected at least 20KiB

Unlerss lots of people are having the same problem :/

There's a bugzilla for it too

[Via_Patrino]

There's a bugzilla for it too, here.

Does linux somehow make this game fun?

[Trikenstein]

'cos it sure wasn't on windows...

Re:Does linux somehow make this game fun?

[jedrek]

Yeah, this game had teh suck pretty bad.

Fling poo

[AtariAmarok]

Last year, a disgruntled postal worker went into his post office in a town nearby and flung poo on his co-workers. The question is: does the Postal game have a poo flinging mode?

Re:Fling poo

[CountBrass]

Been done: Peter Molyneux's crap throwing sim Black and White.

Quite the dillema

[Anonymous Coward]

On the one hand, if no one buys the game, they'll say those linux people don't buy games, and thus there's no reason to make more. On the other, if people do buy the game, they'll realize those linux people will buy crap, and they'll release more crap. So, it's either no games, or crappy games.

Re:Quite the dillema

[shaitand]

yes I agree, the world is a really shitty place. Perhaps we should go postal on these guys, light them on fire and piss on them.

News (mirrored)

[antdude]

Just in case the site gets /.'ed!

Postal 2: Share the Pain demo for GNU/Linux (posted 2003-12-25 05:16:36 by icculus):

Just in time to relieve all that Holiday stress, a demo version of Postal 2: Share the Pain is now available for GNU/Linux systems.

"Share the Pain" adds multiplayer gametypes to the previously single-player only Postal 2, with its mature-rated attitude (Capture the Flag is called "Snatch", and involves stealing the other team's, uh, mascot...you get the point). The multiplayer gametypes are fully network compatible with the Windows players.

The package contains a complete DEMO version of the game, featuring one abbreviated single player level, and a few multiplayer maps for your enjoyment. The full, commercial version of Postal 2 for Linux will be available soon (and rumor has it there will be a Linux boxed version, so please don't run out and buy the Windows version in preparation just yet). The package also contains the Linux dedicated server.

Postal 2 has some rather explicit content. Don't download it if you're a small child or easily offended.

File: postal2mpdemo-lnx-1407.tar.bz2
Size: 168 megabytes compressed
md5sum: 99b28380fcef88e8a4c418ca5894b8f3

Known mirrors:

• Primary FTP courtesy of Primer: here. Please use passive mode, or the FTP connection won't work.
  
• http mirror from pomac.
  
• BitTorrent from 3DGamers.com.
  
• http mirror from 3DGamers.com.
  
• http mirror in Sweden from fredan.org.
  

How'd this get on the front page, anyway?

[Pluvius]

Is it the fact that it's for Linux? I suppose it would normally be good news for a game to get ported to Linux, but Postal 2 is a bad game. If I were a Linux user, I'd be downplaying this news as much as possible.

Rob (would've rather seen the editorial on Nintendo on the front page)

Gone postal

[Anonymous Coward]

Seems like someone went postal on their server...

Egg Troll in da hizouse!

[Anonymous Coward]

It looks like you angered someone in your journal, though.

As a side note, do you have an archive of you rmost successful trolls anywhere?

suck it down

[Anonymous Coward]

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Bah, my mother was a streetwalker

[SoupaFly]

But you don't see me crying about games that glorify pimp slapping and whacking whores with 2x4s.

Get a thicker skin for fuck-sake.

Ack! Refund!

[Anonymous Coward]

Seriously, I'm about to start a class action lawsuit to get refunds for subscribers who signed up on the belief that paying meant not having to look at advertisements.

Re:Ack! Refund!

[Anonymous Coward]

That's right. This was a paid advertisement for a free game.

Dumbass.

Re:Ack! Refund!

[Anonymous Coward]

It's a demo, faggot. The entire point of a demo is essentially to advertise for the full game. And I cannot conceive of why anybody would think a demo for a months-old game that has been objectively proven to suck donkey balls is worthy of a story unless there were some under-the-table deals going on. So eat it.

Re:Ack! Refund!

[Anonymous Coward]

Sucker!

Re:Ack! Refund!

[PixelSlut]

Pay attention, son. His point was that this post is essentially an advertisement for Postal2, which Slashdot subscribers are not supposed to see. Sadly, Slashdot is not getting any advertiser's fee for this one. Someone, just remove this from the front page. This game is not worthy of any news whatsoeverg, and it really makes me sick to think some fucknut is going to go out and buy it because it was on the Slashdot front page.

Postal 2

[sujan]

This game is horribly coded, it took hours just to load up. GTA vice city rules!

Re:Postal 2

[sujan]

Bite me, the game still sucks.

Re:Postal 2

[Anonymous Coward]

OWNED by the modbomb. Permanent -1 for you!

MODS ON CRACK

[Anonymous Coward]

Because he dislikes a videogame, that makes him a troll. Nice.

Re:MODS ON CRACK

[Tim C]

No, being egg troll makes him a troll. Hell, he's so famous (for a troll) that even I've heard of him.

Don't bother

[dswensen]

I love Rockstar Games and the GTA series remains one of my all-time favorites. I respect the fact that Rockstar makes its living being as controversial and over-the-top as they feel like, and generally don't compromise. To some extent, I can even get behind the fairly brainless conceit of this game (you're a psychopath, go hit people in the head and light them on fire... mission successful!)

But I've played this demo, and it's pretty much junk. Dated graphics (and I say this as someone who is not a graphics whore), clunky control scheme, animations which are satisfyingly gruesome the first time but quickly grow repetitive... all in all I think I liked the first Postal better, and honestly that was not very much to begin with. Sure, peeing on everything in sight is fun for awhile (just like in real life!), but the novelty wears off pretty fast. And I say this as someone who's killed many, many hours running over people in GTA3 and trying to find all the hidden jumps, etc. -- so I have a pretty high tolerance for repitition.

If this demo is representative of what the final version of Postal is going to be like, the game is going to be a serious failure. I hope that's not the case, because it seems like the fine folks at Rockstar could do much better than this (and have, years ago now).

Re:Don't bother

[redune45]

Fortunately you can continue your love for Rockstar since Postal 2 is not a Rockstar game,
If you'll check out the game's website you'll see that it is written by Running With Scissors

Re:Don't bother

[Anonymous Coward]

the GTA series had a life expectancy with me of about 3 minutes. once driving the car became boring... shortly after getting into it, the games sucked! what do people see in them.

Re:Don't bother

[nEoN nOoDlE]

It's not Rockstar, it's Running With Scissors, and yes, the game is crap and should not be in any way associated with Rockstar or the GTA series.

Yet another dumb Slashdot article

[bytesplit]

When will the Slashdot of old return, when there is less regurgitation and more innovation?

I'm feeling it

[ilctoh]

My eyes are feeling the pain from looking at this color scheme!

Re:I'm feeling it

[Anonymous Coward]

"Why can't I get modded up? I have a beowulf cluster, dammit! "

there's your first clue, genius

The Sims with a shotgun?

[Colymbosathon ecplec]

" is as funny and entertaining as The Sims with a shotgun

I can't count the number of times I wanted to dispose of a particularly stupid Sim, and a shotgun would have done nicely, instead of drowning them. I only played the game because my GF at the time made me. Man, the things we do for, er um love, yeah. She got really angry when I finally got the naked women sims to kiss and stuff. Now, I got a new GF who likes games like GTA and naked girls in UT2003. WooHoo!

President Bush to Liberate Alaska!

Re:The Sims with a shotgun?

[dolson]

So you upgraded from a GF2 to something that can handle it a bit better, like a GF4 or maybe a GFFX?

It works on FreeBSD as well =)

[epod]

I just downloaded the demo, and it ran flawlessly on my FreeBSD box (4.9-RELEASE, latest nvidia drivers, linux-7.1_5 compat from ports). The only "tweaking" I had to do was set the __GL_SINGLE_THREADED environment variable to 1 (as described in nvidia's docs). After that, it was smooth sailing. This means that all us BSD people can be senselessly violent as well ;)

Re:It works on FreeBSD as well =)

[Anonymous Coward]

Must be the first BSD game since nethack...

Re:It works on FreeBSD as well =)

[Anonymous Coward]

People dying on BSD. How appropriate given that BSD is, itself, dying.

MOD PARENT UP

[Anonymous Coward]

How can this be modded Troll?? Take a look at the moderation, 20% Interesting, 30% Informative and 50% Troll? Why? Because some one expresses his/her opinion? Only moderate on behalve of the post itself, not its content!

Shitty game

[nEoN nOoDlE]

This is one of the worst PC games of the year... it's too bad more people will now buy it due to lack of choice on Linux.

Re:Shitty game

[kasperd]

If they can make money from selling a poor game for Linux, at least I hope that would open some game developers eyes. Imagine what money could then be made from a good game.

What is the point?

[xihr]

When it came out, this was immediately hailed as one of the worst games ever created. (And the reaction wasn't purely based on its violence; Computer Gaming World gave Grand Theft Auto 3 five stars, but Postal 2 zero.)

It reminds me of when Loki announced that it would be making a Linux port of Postal (short before they went out of business, what a shock). Postal wasn't as bad a game as Postal 2, but how are you going to make a splash in Linux games by porting bad games, or at the very least games that are highly unimpressive?

Cry-baby Complainers:

[simetra]

Well good for you. La-de-frickin-da. Aren't you special, taking the "That-is-bad-and-has-no-redeeming-qualities" high road? Yay for you, you perfect moral example. Perhaps you should be worshiped on sundays? Perhaps you alone are the ultimate judge on what is right and what is wrong. Perhaps your head is so far up your ass that it's kind of hard seeing everything from your ivory tower. Maybe you should be King of All, because you're so great.

Postal 2 is a great example of what makes this country (U.S.A) great; Freedom of Speech, the freedom to play whatever video games you want, the freedom to not have to listen to crap-head know-it-alls like you.

Where is this great Non-Offensive-To-Anyone, I-play-this-because-it-is-entirely-moral-and-great -to-all-people Uber Game that you sit around playing? Really, I'd like to know.

Re:Cry-baby Complainers:

[Anonymous Coward]

Most of the complaints so far have been about how crappy the gameplay is. The only people whining about the violence are your fellow trolls. Fuck off and die, queercakes.

Re:Cry-baby Complainers:

[dorlthed]

Yeesh, who the hell pushed your button? And what makes you think that this form of trolling is better than trolling against the game?

It didn't cross your mind that people simply don't like the game, did it? That they are against the game not because they hate things that are violent, but because they hate things that are stupid or boring?

If you like the game, fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But don't spew nonsensical and irrelevant crap over people who don't like it.

Re:Cry-baby Complainers:

[Anonymous Coward]

BFD if people are offended. The bottom line is Postal 2 is complete horseshit. The 1st Postal was ground breaking in what it did. The 2nd one didn't score higher than a 3/10 on any reviews. It's just that bad.

Re:Cry-baby Complainers:

[Anonymous Coward]

Postal 2 is a great example of what makes this country (U.S.A) great; Freedom of Speech, the freedom to pla

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
no one can be this stupid (OR COULD THEY?????)

MOD parent DOWN! Parent is a KNOWN TROLL!

xmas present

[Tom]

Bringing this out on xmas is right with the spirit.

And all the posters who complain about the violence: Go see a shrink and have yourself explained what the difference between the world on a computer screen and the world outside the window is. For us who can make the difference - this is a mightily cool game.

One reason to like this game ...

[timothy]

Is the whining USPS reaction to the Mad TV sketch about going postal (the concept).

The post office should lighten up -- after all, it's only a joke. Everyone knows that it doesn't really happen.

timothy (whose father and grandfather worked for the post office and escaped bullet wounds)

Re:One reason to like this game ...

[Anonymous Coward]

so your father and grandfather played postal2 and then were inspired to shoot at each other in a postal office!!!

That's sad.

oops

[dswensen]

D'oh!

Re:oops

[Anonymous Coward]

Was that really a wise use of a mod point?

Is that seriously the best use you could come up with for it?

Jesus.

Bad taste

[Avian visitor]

Like some other guys here I find this game a horrible example of bad taste.

I believe our civilization is digging it's grave with stuff like this. With violent video games we are teaching younger generations that killing little figures on the screen is nothing bad.

Some earlier posts said that games are not about reality. I certainly agree with them that most (if not all) people will never think about repeating actions from a game in real life.

But think again how today's wars are being fought. Pilots on a modern bomber are actually playing a very sophisticated video game. They see icons on screens. They push the button and the icon disappears. I doubt they feel sorry for that icon. When they have time to think that that icon represented fifty people it is too late. The same goes from tanks to ICBMs.

The instinct that keeps us from killing each other on the street and that tells us that hurting another one of your species is wrong doesn't work here. And guess what, even infantry is being equiped with HUDs. Soon no soldier will ever see a speck of blood. They will only shoot vectorized figures on the screen. And because they have grown up with killing people on the computer screen they won't find this wrong.

In the past you had to have a very good reason to fight with someone. Now people voluntarily join the army just to play a more sophisticated video game.

Re:Bad taste

[Lispy]

You are possibly a troll but I will reply anway:
1. They will notice it's real when they are being shot in the head.
2. The far more disturbing aspect of videogames, violent or not, is that people are safe at home playing away their time while their leaders are fighting stupid wars. People are paralyzed with the media and therefore don't oppose to whatever terrible mistake their leaders might make.
3. You might not be familiar with some of the later sociobiological concepts but it is common to kill individuals of your own species and it is ok for evolution and selection. When it comes down to morals it might be wrong, but there are many examples in nature where killing in the same species is quite common and is being rewarded by evolution.

cu,
Lispy

Re:Bad taste

[shepd]

>With violent video games we are teaching younger generations that killing little figures on the screen is nothing bad.

Have you read the bible lately? That thing is FULL of HORRIBLE stories.

Seriously, man, killing a computer character is nothing compared to teaching a kid that a woman's body is only worth 50 silver pieces, and that "pulling out" is punishable by graphic death. Hell, let's not forget about when you should stone your children to death! Worse yet, they teach young children that this is all normal, and that it all really happened! And they've been doing it for over 2000 years!

CRAZY SHIT THAT.

>In the past you had to have a very good reason to fight with someone.

Yeah. For example, they could be a christian. In which case, you have to slay them (graphically, of course!) using a sword.

>Soon no soldier will ever see a speck of blood. They will only shoot vectorized figures on the screen. And because they have grown up with killing people on the computer screen they won't find this wrong.

I'd take that in a heartbeat over what used to be sanctioned. Things really have only gone forward in society with regards to violence. Forward being less violent and more tolerant.

Re:Bad taste

[Anonymous Coward]

YHBT YHL FOAD

Re:Bad taste

[Anonymous Coward]

Since when did humans have an instinct not to kill other humans? Nearly every living animal on Earth kills its own species in some form (self defense, territorial disputes, feeding grounds, mates, etc). Humans are different in only one respect: "human rights". We are made to believe that it is "wrong" to kill other humans. Why is it instinctfully OK to kill other animals, but not other humans?

I'm not saying that it's ok to kill humans (well...). I'm just saying that we don't have an instinct that prevents us from doing it. Thankfully, we have the "gift" of very effective communication skills. This alone is probably the main reason we don't go around killing each other all the time. Most problems can be solved with words. Also, we are quite intelligent and think about situations and feel empathy. But when we find ourselves in a tight situation our instincts will usually help us to survive. By killing another human if necessary.

Re:Bad taste

[Anonymous Coward]

"Bah. Principles and ethics are so victorian."

Re:Bad taste

[TyrranzzX]

Video games aren't the problem. The problem is;

1: Parents for not teaching their kid why killing is bad and the difference between a video game and real life.

2: The military's fault for not publicly executing soldiers who purposly fire on unarmed civilians for no reason infront of other armed soldiers who are manditorially required to be there. There is no space for antisocial behavior in the armed forces or in any army. Yes, a screen makes killing a bit easier, because you don't even have to see the whites of their eyes. As time goes on we'll see more of the old sniper mentality where the only thing that keeps a sniper together is the fact he knows, not thinks or fears, but knows that it's either the enemy or himself. Most soldiers get reprimanded or court marshalled at the worst. Personally, if any soldier comes back from iraq and starts bragging about how he shot and killed some civilians infront of me who were giving him some trouble, he's getting a bullet in the head and that's that. Call it harsh if you want to, but it's better to put an end to their insanity now than give them a chance to shoot more civilians in the off chance one of them had a bomb.

3: The news and media, for censoring all of the real violence out of our lives so we can't see what it really is. It'd snap us out of that great good consuming frenzy if we saw what a real sweatshop in africa producing gap jeans looks like.

But mostly,

4: Idiots like yourself who fabricate this idea that their kids or other people's kids, or even other people are bloodthirsty monsters. 99% of people aren't psycho's. I know my neighbors have a grip on why killing people are bad, and while there are psycho's out and about, 99% of people aren't them. The media would like us to think so and they pump the fear right into our veigns with every news broadcast they can. There are things that will cause kids to become violent, such as a lack of education or love or constant abuse by society to name a few.

Postal 2 is like a really disgusting piece of art. You can call it tacky, dumb, perverted, or even try to burn it down. But when it comes to the end of it, that piece of art has done it's job; provoked you to some emotion or another. I'v played through Postal 2, it was, content wise, one of the best games I'v played in awhile. I had a blast, and I killed plenty of virtual people while ranting on and on about their stupidity. In order to stay healthy mentally, you've got to explore the extremes. Everyone who thinks does this, and even after awhile I got disgusted with the game. When you get to the point of standing on a roof with a can of gas, making a gigantic puddle on the street and lighting it on fire, then throwing down 30 cats that turn into little firey hellhounds in an attempt to light everyone in town on fire you've got to start thinking if this game is effecting your mental health.

I'm not going to call someone crazy for not liking or for liking this game, some people find it repulsive others find it enteraining, it's akin to how I think freelancer sucked and tribes2 roxors. But, at least get your information straight.

Re:Bad taste

[bugbread]

" Video games aren't the problem."

Evidence? Or am I just supposed to take your word?

Re:Bad taste

[sageman]

Absolutely correct. That's why the Bible sells, just like these senseless (and fun!) games. Unfortunately, unlike these games (such as Postal 2) which are clearly based on real life, urinating on people to put out the fire they are engulfed within, the Bible has some ridiculous ideas, like a "god" figure, sort of along the lines of a DM understood by most as the supreme being.

That being said, I hope they DO port the Bible over to Linux so we can play some really fun violent fantasy games! Yay!

Oh yes, and least I forget, Postal 2 sucks...

Re:Bad taste

[DF5JT]

"In order to stay healthy mentally, you've got to explore the extremes."

That's what alt.tasteless is for.

Re:Bad taste

[TyrranzzX]

Romans, Spartians, Mideval crusades, 100 years war, ww1, ww2, gulf war, colonial slavery, East India company, Virginia company, Gulf war 2, war on terrorism, spanish war, american civil wars, mexican civil war, but mostly, the fact that you can still walk out on the streets in almost every area of every city in this country and all of the backwoods areas and not have to worry about getting shot up by some kid who thought doom was such a good game he'd go out a 12 gauge and begin reaking havok. You might have to deal with gangsta's and the mafia, random incidents of drunken crime or crazy people who want to rape then kill you, but I can garountee to you that postal 2 will never inspire a mentally well adjusted individual to go on a shooting spree. Show me a couple, just 1 or 2 people with no reason and everything to loose whom decide to go postal just because of the game and I'll change my tune real fast.

Re:Bad taste

[bugbread]

I'm certainly not stupid enough to believe that a video game is the sole cause of increased violence. I just wonder about the argument that violence in video games is not a factor at all.

Re:Bad taste

[TyrranzzX]

It certainly is in some cases but I would say it's not as much of a factor as say, television. School is even worse, our kids are taught to divide eachother into nitpicky groups by age, grade, sexual orientation, sex, beliefs, corperate logo's on your shirts, shoes, and jeans, etc. Combine this with TV, which usually preeches that violence is neccissary and good and you don't even need video games to make a bunch of kids into hateful little mongrels who won't mind isolating and nitpicking eachother to pieces. There's only one thing that divides the "nerds" from the rest of society and you can guess what that is....

In otherwords it's a team job. Videogames allow an escape from reality and this is the reason why many people defend them. I know videogames kept me in my needy years from, say, sticking a needle in my arm or jumping off a bridge. I'm also not a violent individual, so there's more to the picture than just videogames being bad. I wouldn't say removing videogames from the equation would have such a great impact on our society as say removing public schooling for more group-homeschooling.

But then again, the only evidence I have for that is 13 years of daily social rejection and some scars on my body and mind to proove that one.

Re:Bad taste

[bugbread]

Agreed. A culture of violence is created by a pop culture of violence, not by one single violent facet. I think the violence in movies / tv is more harmful than video games as well. The only thing I would disagree about is that kids are "taught" to form cliques and pick on people in school. Watching interactions between my girlfriends' 2 year old niece and her friends, it's pretty evident that being an asshole is pretty much part of human nature, and school just happens to be where you spend the majority of your time until you're mature enough to reign in your inherent horribleness.

It's for Linux!

[dorlthed]

The good news: It's for Linux.
The bad news: It's Postal 2.

It kinda sucks that we get so enthusiastic over a game simply because we CAN play it, even if it sucks. That goes to show that Linux games are lacking a bit of variety.

Still, I'm happy to hear this news. Even if it's not the best of games, it's DEFINITELY a step in the right direction . . . and I want to commend the individuals responsible for even having Linux users in mind.

Hopefully this will encourage even more game developers to follow suit . . . so far, NWN, UT2003, and now this are a good start.

Too Bad

[rikkards]

the game sucks.
I played through Postal 2 and it was rough. It get tired and boring really quickly. Once you have played the demo you have played all the good parts.
Kind of like when all of the funny scenes of a movie are in the trailer.

Why do you guys enjoy -killing- things?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why won't you try -creating- something for a change?
Like centaurs?
I know it doesn't work, but it's much more fun just trying!

Re:Why do you guys enjoy -killing- things?

[Anonymous Coward]

Dear Mr. Anonymous Coward,
If you, or your successors, succeed in creating a centuar, please notify me. I would truly like to fuck it in the ass.
Sincerely,
Michael

Re:Why do you guys enjoy -killing- things?

[Anonymous Coward]

Dear Michael.
And if that centaur was a she?
Would her pussy suffice?

No, but...

[Anonymous Coward]

You can pee on them.
You can pour gas on them and toss a match on them.
You can throw an Anthrax-contaminated severed cow's head near them, and watch them vomit blood and then fall over dead.

And you can kill Gary Coleman, too. That's what I'm talkin' 'bout, Willis!

Hold the phone Aunt Jemima!

[Anonymous Coward]

Won't spin off into politics, but I wish we had more anarchy like this. People should be able to do whatever they want, even its totally untasteful, politically incorrect or against your religion. This goes for everything.

FUCK YOU REPUBLICAN KIKE NIGGER!

This game is simply a Bad Game[tm]

[PixelSlut]

They think they're being controversial or something, but they're actually just being really stupid and immature. This game reeks of 13-year-old humor. This game has no artistic, comical, or technical value whatsoever. I like to support Linux games on general principle, but I just can't do that for this game.

Re:This game is simply a Bad Game[tm]

[TyrranzzX]

And you're akin to the idiot who says a piece of art sucks because the entire picture is a white backround with a red dot in the middle of it.

Re:This game is simply a Bad Game[tm]

[Anonymous Coward]

No, its just a bad game, and certainly not a good example of "art". If this is what you're trying to hold up as an example worthiness of the efforts of mankind, then bring on the extinction I say.

Besides, what's wrong with the Japanese flag?

Re:This game is simply a Bad Game[tm]

[bugbread]

" And you're akin to the idiot who says a piece of art sucks because the entire picture is a white backround with a red dot in the middle of it."

Actually, he's more like the cousin from the country who doesn't have a lot of book-learning, but has the common sense to point out when crap is crap, while all the sycophants around him fall all over themselves to make themselves look sophisticated.

Re:This game is simply a Bad Game[tm]

[arth1]

They think they're being controversial or something, but they're actually just being really stupid and immature. This game reeks of 13-year-old humor. This game has no artistic, comical, or technical value whatsoever. I like to support Linux games on general principle, but I just can't do that for this game.

Amen. I'd much rather see a port of a good game, like Natural Fawn Killers.

Regards,
--
*Art

Re:This game is simply a Bad Game[tm]

[PixelSlut]

And you're akin to the idiot who says a piece of art sucks because the entire picture is a white backround with a red dot in the middle of it.

I'm trying to figure out what the fuck your post has to do with anything I said, and I'm getting nowhere.

So tell me.. what does your post have to do with anything I said?

Re:This game is simply a Bad Game[tm]

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah the game is like fun or something. Just once, but yeah it's fun.

I've never had as much fun starting a game as with Postal 2, first I kicked my neighbor's window in, stole his guns, pissed on his fancy projection TV and finally woof! set his dog on fire!

Don't be so uptight, you're allowed to be immature and have a little fun.

Dude

[Anonymous Coward]

I so need this game on a Mac.

Can play as Gary Coleman

[HarryCallahan]

"Watch-you-talkin-bout-Willis? BITCH!! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!...."

*Blows Willis' black ass to kingdom come*

What do I need to play this?

[chewmanfoo]

I have a Radeon 8500 and a Pentium 3 933, but this game looks like crap! I'm running Mandrake 9.2. Why can't I make this work!

Re:What do I need to play this?

[PixelSlut]

It's a bad game, dude. Deal with it. You get a Pentium 4 3.2GHz with a Radeon 9800 XT and this game is still going to be shit.

Re:What do I need to play this?

[Anonymous Coward]

You need to Upgrade your Linux!
Get Mandrake 9.3! It will solve your problems!
I am running it on my God Rig and it is the best game ever!

If you have any more questions please feel free to post here, and I'll help with what I can.
Slashdot is so full of smart people, and it's an excellent place for tech support!

I guess you can say...

[N10sb2002]

that Inculus is sharing the pain with Linux users.

Where have you heard of him?

[Anonymous Coward]

I guess I don't keep up on Slashdot personalities. How or where have you heard of him?!

Why share the pain?

[oddmake]

"GPL2:Share the Software" would be more appropriate , at least for GNU guy.

gay

[Anonymous Coward]

linux is gay

cant RUN the game

[Anonymous Coward]

sh-2.05b$ postal2mpdemo
sh: /usr/local/bin/postal2mpdemo: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied

any suggestion would be appreciate since i notice noone complain and tryed almost everything .. i wonder what is the prob

a pebkac?

Re:cant RUN the game

[Anonymous Coward]

i got the prob,

running slack with reiserfs and starting the game from an ext3 partition got me that error.

i still wonder why, tomorrow a deep search will clear this out for sure. what matters is that the game is running and is fking awesome

another bit, postal2 in freebsd, linuxulator does his job, it runs well the 3d but sound, get laggy too much, like 1 beep per second. and theres no way to turn it off, so its kinda unplayable, unless you plugin some fones in the jack and dont use them at all.

Re:cant RUN the game

[Anonymous Coward]

Buy a real man's operating system, also known as windows you dumb asshat

Re:cant RUN the game

[Anonymous Coward]

So what's it like being a greasy 15-year old worm author's bitch?

This is all beside the point anyway.

[Pluvius]

The question was not whether or not Linux is quicker to install than XP; the question was whether or not it is less painful to install. So you have to reboot a few times to get everything situated? Whoop-dee-doo. If you have problems installing Linux, they tend to be a lot more complicated and frustrating than just rebooting a few times.

Rob

What is that

[Anonymous Coward]

Is that a nutsack top left of the home page?

Re:What is that

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes.

I loev slashedot!!!`

[Anonymous Coward]

And today (Score: 5, Insightful)
by Daikiki (227620) on Wednesday March 19, @10:09PM (#5549778)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Sunday March 23, @12:46AM)

I am ashamed to call myself an American.

Re:And today (Score:5, Informative)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 19, @10:11PM (#5549798)

Then leave. Nobody forces you to remain an American.

Shame the game's a POS

[Rogerborg]

Seriously, it makes bzflag look polished.

WTF? Its.....

[Martigan80]

O.k. I d/l'ed the thing and must say that it actually made me laugh. I mean the stuff you can do is insane and just pure fun. Granted pissing on people to make them puke then shooting them is considered vaulgure in our soceity but hey it's fun. The pure out right beating of people can make as all better people. It's based off the Unreal engine from 2001 so this is esentialy a good MOD in my book. There are still some bugs and for $30 I would hope they have them fixed.BUT and a BIG but the demo version also has a Multi-Player function so you can play other maps and so for the demo only. That is a cool future to see how the game is online.

Over all the game is entertaining, not for $30 though sorry. I'll stick to NWN, UT2003, and Quake3 for now.

Games for Nvidia

[Anonymous Coward]

WRONG! It won't support Linux, it supports Nvidia.