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War Kayaking

ptorrone writes "As the summer approaches, we crawl out of our protective wired covered lairs to sometimes partake in outdoor activity. Last weekend, we went kayaking around Lake Union in Seattle, WA and of course, we couldn't help but bring along a lot of equipment and decided we'd hunt for open wireless spots, this friends- was "War Kayaking" we found a ton, charted it with GPS, Wifi finders and we'll show you how we did it for this week's HOW-TO Tuesday. We also shot a video in the kayak, be sure to check that out too."

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  1. Careful by qualico · · Score: 3, Funny

    This could become an Olympic Sport!

    1. Re:Careful by caswelmo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or at least an interesting way to electrocute yourself!

    2. Re:Careful by MP2Kmag.com · · Score: 1

      You are sick humorists.. lol

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  2. War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by dustinbarbour · · Score: 5, Funny

    War Hiking
    War SCUBA Diving
    War Mountain Biking
    War Snowboarding
    War Golfing
    War Rock CLimbing
    ...

    1. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by Paulrothrock · · Score: 5, Funny
      War mastu...

      Nah, too easy.

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    2. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by karniv0re · · Score: 1

      War Lasertag?

      Ok, I'll shut up.

    3. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by k4_pacific · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, with Diebold, you could have War Voting.

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    4. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by tktk · · Score: 4, Funny
      Exactly...I'm expecting the pilot from SpaceShipOne to write about War RocketPlaning.

      All this War [Blank] is getting old.

    5. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by twofidyKidd · · Score: 1

      Warkegstanding? Warmonkeybarring? Warflossing? Oh wait...Warkaya...umm...nevermind!

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    6. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by PhilippeT · · Score: 1

      Any signals he would find would just be scary

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    7. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by velo_mike · · Score: 2, Interesting
      <extreme war ...>

      I already haul way too much crap doing these things, with photo gear my day pack is >25 lbs and I'm afraid to weigh the 7 day pack or think about how much the trad rack and ropes add. There's no f*** way I want to drag along more delicate, battery dependant gear. OTOH, the geek in me wonders how many Colorado 14'ers can I surf from... Thanks, you've planted the seed...

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    8. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by PD · · Score: 1

      War peace. A famous Russian science fiction author predicted it long ago.

    9. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by Mgdm · · Score: 1

      War Extreme Ironing?

    10. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by Phexro · · Score: 1

      WarTrolling.

    11. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Guys... you take to the sea and the air.

      I'm going to cover WAR Bar Hopping. It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it

    12. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by Ancient+Devices+King · · Score: 1

      Last weekend, I was war bussing in NYC. Found a couple hotspots east of central park, but very weak.

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    13. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by athakur999 · · Score: 1

      War low riding?

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    14. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by mikael · · Score: 1

      I can't wait for the next SuperBowl. If I get the chance, I'll find the nearest GoodYear blimp, and go war-blimping.

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    15. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by Kenja · · Score: 1

      War strip club bar crawling.

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    16. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by bev_tech_rob · · Score: 3, Funny

      No kidding....I can read it now.... 'About the time I hit 95 km altitude, I fired up my favorite sniffer program and found 30,000 APs in Southern Cal ALONE, not to mention Las Vegas, Nevada, & Albuquerque(sp), New Mexico. Was kinda hard keeping the pringles can pointed at a precise area due to my velocity....'

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    17. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2, Funny
      I went War Spelunking last weekend and found a hot spot. Unfortunately, the hotspot was superheated steam, so I no longer have a face to speak of.

      At least the Mormons who were War Witnessing this neighborhood last week haven't returned.

      Oh! I did also have a chance to try War Ambulancing and War Medi-coptering! And you haven't lived 'till you've War ER'd or War IC'd!

      Gotta Go - I'm late to my appointment for War Physical Therapy.

    18. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by zrk · · Score: 1

      Well, at least this search method is good for getting your streaming audio/video.

    19. Re:War "Your Favorite Activity Here" by identity0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot the best one -

      War Warring!

      Hop on a Blackhawk in the Green Zone, fly around Baghdad looking for APs! If you spot one, forget the chalk - just mark the spot with your chaingun!

  3. Interesting about the map by SIGALRM · · Score: 1

    We found a lot of spot to connect up to, some were really strong, some weak,

    I suspect the SSID "dexter202" belongs either to a group of houseboats sharing a wireless LAN, or to a pharmaceutical company.

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  4. War-*ing by garcia · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wow, you mean you can use a GPS on a Kayak? No way! I am going to start War-biking, War-wirewalking, War-firewalking, War-streetwalking, War-drinking, War-fucking (find all those important porn stores in seedy areas of downtown after War-streetwalking and War-drinking of course), War-Slashdotting (making a page load so slow because even though it shows the same thing as War-flying or War-driving people see "check out the video of us making you sea sick" and then flock to it), and of course, my personal favorite War-iPoding! Now you too can find all the iPods tucked away in BMWs and listen to the Universe from anywhere!

    1. Re:War-*ing by ptorrone · · Score: 1

      i was going to call it wifi-fishing, but the whole "war" thing is a bit more catchy.

    2. Re:War-*ing by artlu · · Score: 1

      How about,
      war-wifi-shing
      Sounds almost japanese.

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  5. Next up on slashdot... by twocoasttb · · Score: 1

    ...war unicycling! ...war snorkeling! ...war base jumping! sigh.

    1. Re:Next up on slashdot... by k4_pacific · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, I'm still waiting for the article on War Spelunking.

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    2. Re:Next up on slashdot... by Lattitude · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Anything?"
      "Nope - still nothing."
      "This sucks."

  6. Sigh by lhpineapple · · Score: 1

    Yet another sign of technology running and ruining our lives.

    1. Re:Sigh by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      So you're saying a regular kayak (without the "war") is somehow not technological?

  7. It has to be asked... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 3, Funny

    When you paddled past Bill's house, did you find any open relays?

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    1. Re:It has to be asked... by Osty · · Score: 2, Informative

      When you paddled past Bill's house, did you find any open relays?

      Doubtful, considering Bill's house is on Lake Washington, not Lake Union.

    2. Re:It has to be asked... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 2, Funny

      True enough, and since he is on the east side of the lake, it is quite unlikely that you could pick up any stray signals from his place at that range. It is also quite likely that his personal network admin (I'm guessing that he has one and that Bill could afford one that knows what he is doing) probably has the network security cranked up pretty high, since getting on the private network of the RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD (Da-du-DUM!) would appeal to less scruplous people. It is aslo possible that I chose to ignore these facts, because nothing runins a good one-liner like over thinking things. So, work with me here, dude. Warpaddling, Bill Gates, open relays, laughter.

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  8. Wifi Detection by mfh · · Score: 5, Informative

    we couldn't help but bring along a lot of equipment and decided we'd hunt for open wireless spots, this friends- was "War Kayaking" we found a ton
    You absolute nerds! Also, why didn't you just use the Smart ID Wifi detector? It's only $25, and therefore it trumps any pocket PC. Plus you don't risk as much if you get wet: something that tends to happen frequently when I Kayak. :-) (that and getting stuck in the damn thing, upside-down)

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    1. Re:Wifi Detection by ptorrone · · Score: 1

      so-- i had thought about that, but i need: a timestamp, a log and ways to document it. had i just wanted to find wifi then that might be okay, but i wanted to document the time, place, etc...in order to generate the maps.

    2. Re:Wifi Detection by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

      That's cool but, if you actually want to use your wifi connection, you're gonna need to get your laptop out.

    3. Re:Wifi Detection by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      Isn't an OtterBox designed just for this sort of use? Probably want to attach a floatation device to it though.

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    4. Re:Wifi Detection by 1DarkZen · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's cool but, if you actually want to use your wifi connection, you're gonna need to get your laptop out.
      Or a really cool surfboard!

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    5. Re:Wifi Detection by throwaway18 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'v got one of those Wifi detectors. The detection range is significantly smaller than with a laptop. It's a nice toy and I'v found it usfull to be able to see if a wifi card is transmitting some power when fiddling with drivers.
      It picks up microwave ovens, 2.4GHz cameras and bluetooth as well as wifi though I can tell them apart by the way the lights flash.

    6. Re:Wifi Detection by xchino · · Score: 1

      Well lets see why:
      No GPS data integration
      No SSID collection
      Can only actively detect networks (Kismet does passive scanning, which enables it to find many more networks than say netstumbler, which is an active scanner)
      Can only show you if you are in range of a wireless network or not

      basically this thing is for finding if you're in range. It's the wireless equivalent to a cable tester. War driving is all about finding and mapping networks, not checking if you're just "in range of a network". This thing might be good for feild testing, but as a war driving tool it lacks the most basic features.

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  9. Re:What's next? by Tatarize · · Score: 1

    War Warring.

    There were were fighting the Republican Guard when Private Morris picked up an open wireless hotspot on his HUD.

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  10. Sweet by thedillybar · · Score: 1
    Did I hear any Michiganders say they were going to do this around my neck of the woods?

    Please????

    1. Re:Sweet by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      It's Michigainians, you insensitive clod.

      (j/k...I don't care which term you use.)

  11. You forgot my favorite! by Braingoo · · Score: 2, Funny

    WAREATING Take laptop into restaurant and see what WIFI you can pick. Then mayb eyou can find a place with both a good cheese steak sandwich and a decent internet connection. ahhhh paradise!

    1. Re:You forgot my favorite! by Talking+Toaster · · Score: 1

      And if you can find a place that is All You Can Eat, open 24/7, and has WIFI you can retire.

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    2. Re:You forgot my favorite! by The-Bus · · Score: 1

      "Wiz wit" replaced by "WiFi wit"?
      (Non-Philadelphia area residents need not apply).

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  12. You forgot... by Cyclopedian · · Score: 1

    War-typing.

    Quite a nice display of that, actually. =)

    -Cyc

  13. password protection by geordi177 · · Score: 1

    This just proves that people shouldn't be allowed to use WiFi unless they can password protect their networks.

  14. Good Deal by ericlp · · Score: 1

    Gotta Fire up the old GPS jammer again.

  15. War Golfing by millahtime · · Score: 3, Funny

    War Golfing has been around for years. Every time I go it's war with the tall grass, war with the trees, war with the sand traps and war with the whole damn course.

    1. Re:War Golfing by eofpi · · Score: 1

      This is what I picture when I hear "war golfing".

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  16. Hmmm... by Paulrothrock · · Score: 3, Funny

    Two networks with SSIDs of linksys and NETGEAR. How much do you want to bet we already know their admin passwords?

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    1. Re:Hmmm... by chrispyman · · Score: 1

      But I thought nobody would be able to guess my ultra-secure password of password!

    2. Re:Hmmm... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 1

      Yeah? Well, mine's "hunter2"

      Didn't see that, did you?

  17. Satellite imagery. by alexatrit · · Score: 1

    Props on using satellite imagery for your overlay. I'm stick of Microsoft's gaudy maps, and I miss MapQuest's aerial views.

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    1. Re:Satellite imagery. by seafortn · · Score: 1

      You can still get those aerial views through terraserver - some of their stuff is pay-only, but the USGS stuff is free...

      Example: http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?t=4&s=13&x=4 61&y=2675&z=15&w=1

  18. Re:ok so.. by mfh · · Score: 1

    > there's war driving... war chalking... now War Kayaking, and war orbiting? I can see where this is going...
    War sex? Perv...

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  19. But.... by jdhutchins · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do they then warchalk their boats to remember where the hotspot was?

    1. Re:But.... by Timesprout · · Score: 1

      No you fool, that would be stupid. They chalk the river surface.

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    2. Re:But.... by Onikuma · · Score: 2, Funny

      Of course not. They use war buoys.

  20. All they needed were a few plastic baggies... by GillBates0 · · Score: 4, Funny
    So, with a few plastic baggies, a wifi card, Pocket PC and a free application you too can make kayaking a little more interesting.

    With a few plastic baggies filled up with the right stuff, you can make almost *anything* interesting.

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    1. Re:All they needed were a few plastic baggies... by swb · · Score: 1

      Shoot, I only need one baggie and it only has to be filled with a couple of grams. Sounds like they grabbed the wrong baggy.

  21. War-kayaking is nothing by Ignorant+Aardvark · · Score: 1

    I'm still waiting for war-base-jumping. You don't have a lot of time to scan for access points though.

    1. Re:War-kayaking is nothing by Speare · · Score: 1

      Considering the A of 'base jumping' stands for Antenna, I think you might be able to figure out at least ONE access point on your descent.

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    2. Re:War-kayaking is nothing by Ignorant+Aardvark · · Score: 1

      I wasn't aware that base jumping was an acryonym. What does it stand for?

    3. Re:War-kayaking is nothing by Holi · · Score: 1

      BASE stands for Building, Antennae, Span (Bridge), and Earth

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  22. Re:What's next? by Kyosuke77 · · Score: 1

    War skydiving

    Right, so you throw the access point out of the plane, and whoever manages to find it, get close enough, and connect before hitting the ground wins.

    Sounds like fun. =)
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  23. War Canoes (quite OT) by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 2

    Hmmm... Technically they're not kayaks, but it appears native Pacific Northwesterners and New Zealanders beat you to it with their war canoes.

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  24. Re:Ok, that's it. by Mannerism · · Score: 4, Funny

    Who gives a crap if there are open wi-fi spots on the water?

    It's important for those who enjoy surf surfing.

  25. They forgot something by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The guys forgot to put some kind of floating device inside the baggies...

    Their PDA maybe protected from splashes, but if they drop it in the water, they'll need to do some war-scubadiving to get it back.

  26. You got a purrty laptop... by karniv0re · · Score: 1

    Now squeel like a pig, boy!

    1. Re:You got a purrty laptop... by Timesprout · · Score: 1

      Best comment yet!

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  27. yet another war something... by maxbang · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some ideas for using the latest buzzword, war-*:

    war-diving: fumbling through kismet while tumbling through the air at 15,000 ft
    war-gimping: using kismet/gps combo while in a wheelchair
    war-muling: strapping your kismet running lappy on a mule while trudging through columbia
    war-basing: giving a basehead your zaurus with kismet/gps addon card and letting it log the hotspots as it travels through countless hands and finally sits idle at a pawn shop after 22 hours
    war-gerbiling: eh, don't need details here
    and so forth...
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    1. Re:yet another war something... by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      war-muling: strapping your kismet running lappy on a mule while trudging through columbia

      I don't think the guy with a coke-filled balloon in his ass will let you ride on his back.

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  28. I take issue with that article by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 3, Informative
    It says
    For about $12 per hour you can kayak around one of the most amazing places in the world
    Let me tell you, I've not traveled anwhere as widely as I'd ike to, but I have visited Seattle, and I can tell you for a fact that Lake Union, while it's pleasant enough, is not one of the most amazing places in the world. I don't think it gets onto my top 1,000 list. Probably not on my top 10,000 either. It probably gets into my top 100,000 though.
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    1. Re:I take issue with that article by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

      The closest lake to the center of the Universe, must be a special place.

  29. A little while ago by DrNibbler · · Score: 1

    I went war motorized paragliding along the east river in NYC. Got some interesting hits. I should post those logs at some point.

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  30. Re:you're being too general by geordi177 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But if you were on the water, how many of the WiFi network owner's pet names would you know? The point is that the sheer number of open networks, while fun to browse and borrow bandwidth from, is a general problem with inexperienced users getting advanced technology.

    Everything should be secure.

  31. I've been War Kayaking before... by blueminder · · Score: 4, Funny

    My friends and I all went in kayaks and canoes and started to tip each other over in a full-scale war it seemed. You could see many kamikazes flying off their kayaks in order to bring down the large fleets of canoes coming our way. Those with the larger paddles often attacked from below and many people begin to recover their equipment after being detached making this last longer...

    Of course, had we brought our Wi-Fi equipment we would have been screwed.

  32. Already serving this market in NZ by ssclift · · Score: 1

    There's an outfit called Woosh Wireless in New Zealand that looks like it is already looking to serve the kayaking market, as demonstrated by their chief executive, Bob Smith.

    Personally, I whitewater kayak so need two hands on the paddle at all times and would need some seriously waterproof, shock-resistant gear. :-)

  33. If you wanted to go "all out" geeked up... by Libertarian_Geek · · Score: 1

    Build a remote water-tight serial LCD read-out visible on the front deck, while the laptop, and non-IPX-7 equipment is behind a water-proof bulkhead behind the cockpit, (in a sealed water-cooled drybox for good measure). This way, you wouldn't have to do the laptop version of a "top hat" roll
    (ie a "trick" roll where the paddler keeps an item dry by holding it out of the water and placing it on the now upright hull then grabbing it before rolling up completely.)

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  34. ha ha.. no kidding! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Lake Union is pretty lame. It's ringed by low-rise office buildings, a couple of marinas, and some old toxic industrial stuff. Lake Washington has some nicer spots, as does the Puget Sound, but even tiny Green Lake is more "amazing" than Lake Union.

  35. Outdoors? by dfn5 · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...to sometimes partake in outdoor activity

    Where is this outdoors you speak of?

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      It's the really big room with the blue ceiling.

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  36. Re:As the summer approaches? by at_kernel_99 · · Score: 3, Funny
    Isn't it officially summer everywhere as of yesterday?
    Not for roughly, oh, half the world...
  37. Re:Get a life! by ptorrone · · Score: 3, Informative

    i did in fact program the robots on my site to dance around, filmed it, documented it, shared the files. i don't really have fashion advice for anyone, i just document stuff i happen to like when i used to travel, i'm broke, in fact i'd kill to get to zero as opposed to in debt, so i don't think wealthy is an accurate term. i use "we" since it's the voice of the site. as far as getting a life...i'm willing to bet that i'm having a lot of fun and spending my time doing stuff i like as opposed to going out of my way to poke at someone :-] but i suppose that could be fun to some folks too.

  38. Re:Ummm by driftingAimfully · · Score: 1

    I agree, don't try and occupy yourself all the time. Sometimes doing something simple with your full attention is just plain beautiful.

    OTOH, at least they went kayaking. Outside. Credit where credit is due.

  39. Re:Ummm by at_kernel_99 · · Score: 1

    I agree with you on the one hand, but on the other: let him paddle his own canoe. In my case, my girlfriend and I are planning a long bike trip next year; I'm debating the merits of picking up a small wireless system with which to 1) document the trip and 2) 'borrow' internet connections for the checking of email & the like. Seeing the system this dude uses for kayaking is somewhat thought-provoking.

  40. Time to start war-drinking by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

    Time to start war drinking -- visiting bars with Wi-Fi access. I wonder truly how many variations on this theme we can come-up with...

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  41. Unencrypted by JohnGrahamCumming · · Score: 2, Interesting
    For the next hour we paddled a little over 3 miles in a variety of different areas- every few seconds or so we picked up a new Wifi spot, our Pocket PC was set to automatically use open Wifi spots so we were able to check email, instant message, log on to IRC (#joiito on freenode) and do everything you'd expect, but all from a kayak.
    Yeah, and since you were using POP3 my "look-at-this -idiot-who-left-his-wifi-open" AP just recorded your username and password which since your ISP uses the same password for shell access has given me a free shell account. Mwah hah hah.

    Seriously, folks, don't go around connecting to any old AP just because it's open unless the first thing you do is set up an SSH tunnel to somewhere and use it to redirect your traffic.

    In another topic, I'm amazed that no one has set up fake T-Mobile or WayPort APs in cities just to grab CC numbers. It would be *so* easy.

    John.

    1. Re:Unencrypted by ptorrone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      although i think a lot of people do in fact do that, i however did not. i'd never send along info i cared about when doing something like, mostly because i'm the same person that would set up a "honeypot" to see what people would do :-]

    2. Re:Unencrypted by presmike · · Score: 2, Informative

      if you went to defcon last year you would know that this is done already ;) (fake ap's to steal cc's that is.)

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  42. Yeah, that's why I go kayaking by kidlinux · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who cares about wifi spots out on the river? I don't jump in my kayak to go browse the web or check my email. I specifically engage in athletic and recreational activity to get away from all that crap.

    Honestly, this kind of thing is getting to be pretty sad. It reminds me of the commercial from Motomaster advertising their portable power supply (like a UPS for the outdoors.) It shows a family somewhere in the middle of a forest with appliances plugged in, and a kid on his friggin laptop playing games. I find myself asking "why did they leave home in the first place?"

    "we couldn't help but bring along a lot of equipment and decided we'd hunt for open wireless spots"

    Why not!? Leave your damn cell phones, PDAs, laptops and assorted other junk at home. Do you really need all that to enjoy the great outdoors? Does it enhance the experience in some way? I'd have a hard time believing anyone who told me as much. Sure, you can take video and thousands of pictures and show all your friends - maybe even do it live with all the hotspots - but you know what? People get so busy trying to "capture" the moment that they forget to enjoy it while they're there. Aside from which, telling a story and leaving it to your friends' imaginations is far more exciting.

    I realize I've deviated slightly from the topic. The point I'm trying to make is that I think a lot of people really need to unplug and discover the world outside of electronics. Leaving all that stuff at home is what really enhances the experience. All you need is yourself and your kayak.

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    1. Re:Yeah, that's why I go kayaking by ptorrone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      i wouldn't say "hey, you should do this and that, bring electronics, never unplug, blah, blah" so why would you want to tell me what to do? i actually like to use technology in lots of places, it's fun for me. i never quite got why people would demand you "enjoy" something in a certain way -their way- and nothing else.

    2. Re:Yeah, that's why I go kayaking by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      I specifically engage in athletic and recreational activity to get away from all that crap.

      Well, bully for you. The whole world must follow in your example? Some of us actually think it's pretty 'neat' to be in the middle of 'nowhere' and have an internet connection. If you wanna be a luddite, fine. But let others enjoy their cell-phones, PDAs, and other assorted toys.

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    3. Re:Yeah, that's why I go kayaking by at_kernel_99 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I realize I've deviated slightly from the topic. The point I'm trying to make is that I think a lot of people really need to unplug and discover the world outside of electronics. Leaving all that stuff at home is what really enhances the experience. All you need is yourself and your kayak.

      As an avid outdoor enthusiast, I agree in principle. I can't avoid, however, pointing out that they're apparently kayaking in downtown Seattle. Not exactly the great outdoors.

    4. Re:Yeah, that's why I go kayaking by King_TJ · · Score: 1

      I've done the "roughing it" thing a number of times, leaving all the electronics at home. I don't think it really helped me get more out of the experience though. If you're going camping, boating, or what-have-you primarily with intentions of escaping everything else, then sure - it's part of your objective to leave behind communications tools. (The last thing you want are calls or emails telling you to come in to work or something, right?)

      But otherwise, nah - I've actually spent weekends in the "great outdoors" and gotten a bit bored. Sometimes, you waste away a good part of the day and suddenly feel a bit guilty, like "Hey, I could have at least gotten items A or B done today, instead of lying in this hammock." I can honestly say I would have had a slightly better experience if I had some sort of laptop w/net access.

    5. Re:Yeah, that's why I go kayaking by kidlinux · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying people should enjoy things a certain way. What I'm trying to point out is that these people aren't enjoying anything except for their toys. They don't need to leave home to do that.

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    6. Re:Yeah, that's why I go kayaking by ptorrone · · Score: 1

      hmm, i had a great kayak paddle around the lake (3 miles worth) and got to do a cool project. seems like it's possible to have a balance between the two to me. in fact, i think i enjoyed it twice as much, and got outdoors.

    7. Re:Yeah, that's why I go kayaking by lidocaineus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ..."Hey, I could have at least gotten items A or B done today, instead of lying in this hammock."

      Honestly, if you feel this way, you need MORE time away from your laptop. Being a human isn't always about getting something done.

      What I think the grandparent's point is is that we should never be slaves to our tech. While it's fun (and even applicable) during outdoor activities, we shouldn't lose an appreciation for what lies out there beyond what a JPG on a screen can give us. There's plenty of time to play with your new bluetooth GPS receiver, and there's also time to put it away and appreciate the awe of a huge cliff you hiked 2 days to get to.

  43. sad sad sad by jwcorder · · Score: 1

    Doesn't anyone else find this even remotely saddening. That you can unplug for a weekend? Man...got to get away from the Matrix every once in a good while.

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  44. Re:As the summer approaches? by dustinbarbour · · Score: 1

    Summer in the northern hemisphere = winter in the southern. That's why the best place for my Christmas vacation is Autralia!

  45. Fremont Solstice Parade by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

    The same weekend was the Fremont Solstice Parade and fair. http://www.scn.org/fremont/fac/solstice.htm

    1. Re:Fremont Solstice Parade by ptorrone · · Score: 1

      hey larry! i was there too, took some pics of the car stuff... http://pt.textamerica.com/?r=973458 just click next to see them all. i didn't "war parade" or anything like that :-]

    2. Re:Fremont Solstice Parade by Larry+Lightbulb · · Score: 1

      Hey, that's an idea - WarFloat. I'd been wondering what to do for next year.

    3. Re:Fremont Solstice Parade by ptorrone · · Score: 1

      hey larry, how about next year we do a float that gives out free wifi as it goes down the street. cheers, pt

  46. $12/hour for a kayak seems very expensive by thomasa · · Score: 1

    There is a canoe rental down the street from
    me that only charges 2 dollars per hour to
    canoe on a lake.

  47. This reminds me of a great Mozilla extension by aardwolf204 · · Score: 2
    This reminds me of a great Mozilla FireFox extension that renames by browser to things such as Mozilla FireWorm, SpaceDragon, MoonPony, WaterSpider, or SuperPanda.

    War Dialing was cool

    War Driving was nostalgic

    War Flying was cute

    War Biking, Skateboarding, Parasailing, Hang-gliding, sky-diving, monster-truck driving, walking, chalking, talking, and even steven hawking were just kind of uninteresting.

    Now if a soldier in Iraq wants to mount an iPaq, Solar panel, GPS, and WiFi card on his helmet and call it War-War'ing, that *might* be cool enough to come full circle and be sweet again.

    Until then, its off to Defcon and try to get a twentyseventhousandmillion mile 802.11b signal going.

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  48. WarTraining! by KE1LR · · Score: 1
    I recently ran NetStumbler during most of a rail trip (on the Acela -- nice!) between New Haven, CT and Washington, DC.

    I detected a horde of access points along the way and am working on writing up a summary of what I found (vendor breakdown, how many had WEP enabled, how many had default SSID's, etc. )

    I'm hoping to get it online fairly soon.

  49. Unplug! by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

    Holy shit, can't anyone unplug for a bit? It feels good to be technology free for a week or two at a time (that includes cell)! -d

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  50. Re:Get a life! by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

    Bah, ignore the "only use technology when you're at work" trolls. They don't understand that some of use love to mix our technology with other hobbies. Perhaps they don't have the capability to do more than one thing at a time?

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  51. Re:Get a life! by ClockworkPlanet · · Score: 1

    The 'we' thing bugs me too, Phil. Your 'how to' sessions on Engadget are interesting, but your use of the Royal We is kind of irritating. YOU did those things, Phil. Not 'we'.

    You do appear to be having a lot of fun, but no wonder you're broke, you have a (if you don't mind me saying) LUDICROUS amount of gadgets. How many iPods does one man need? How many mobile phones? Where do you find the time to do all this stuff? Why do you always pull the same face in all your photographs?

    I think we should be told.

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  52. Hitting close to home by drivers · · Score: 1

    You can actually see my wife and friend's (co-owned) business on that map, which is on Eastlake. At least their access point didn't show up on your map though. Either because they are too far away (most likely) or because you don't show sites that use WEP.

  53. Eh... reminds me about War Surfing by fungus · · Score: 1

    Another misuse of technology: Intel surfboards

    What next? War Fishing? War Hunting? War Serial-Mudering? :)

  54. Cool beans. by mr.scoot · · Score: 1

    Great! War Kayaking 301 should cover both the wireless networking /security requirement AND the general requirement for a PE class. Beats the crap outta running laps.

  55. Re:Get a life! by ptorrone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the "we" thing, okay- i understand that feedback, but that's the voice of the site, i'll see if it makes sense to change it for the how tos. thanks for the kind words on the how-tos, folks seem to like them. right now, i have 3 ipods and 4-5 phones, as i upgrade, i keep them and use them for other things, i might be ebaying some for $. as far as time to do all this stuff, i don't really sleep that much and right now, i'm taking some time off to enjoy life. and lastly "pulling the same face" wow, well- i can't change the way i look. hope this clears stuff up.

  56. How about by debian4life · · Score: 1

    War'getting_a_life and leaving the electronics at home every now and then.

    "Jim, this river is wonderful. Have you ever,..you know,....done it in a kayak. Not now Tracy the signal just went up to 79%."

  57. Wrong fucking state by Zilfondel2 · · Score: 1

    You aren't going to find many hillbillies right next to Seattle.

  58. Interesting by Spl0it · · Score: 1

    Its a pretty interesting idea, and they mention downloading music and then broadcasting it.. that would be pretty cool. But honestly when your outdoors and away in the woods, at least around here, there's no chance in hell anyone has wireless. You bring beer, fishing pool, tents, food, boat or some variant and a woman if it so pleases you. No electronics, just an ample supply of beer is the key.

    By around here, I meant Ontario, Canada. :)

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  59. Re:*sigh* by Mick+Ohrberg · · Score: 1
    ...my dog is capable of spaceship command

    Laika kind of commanded a space ship. Kind of.

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  60. Re:What's next? by Psymunn · · Score: 1

    War skydiving
    Yeah, it's about time someone did a 3 dimensional WiFi map. I want to know how high above a signal i can be!!!

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  61. Re:Ummm by at_kernel_99 · · Score: 1
    What are the particular merits you are debating?

    Bring our own wi-fi hardware vs. just using internet cafes & the like. Pros: having our own hardware for image storage, email composition, etc. Cons: stealing bandwidth, having to be worried about valuable equipment, maintenance hassle.

    I could see the full geek-out implementation involving solar charging and a bike cam either mounted on the handle bars or on a pole on the trailer. Maybe GPS tracking. Setting this up & keeping it running for a multi-month 4 to 5 thousand mile plus ride through canada & the US could be a royal pain in the ass, but could also be a very cool way to document the trip. The question: is it worth it?

  62. WarBuoys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm a skipper (captain) of my own boat, a deckhand or even a first mate on other boats where I'm hired.

    I wouldn't mind the tide and navigation buoys having wifi access. That would be nice. Perhaps the greatest strength for Wifi or 802.11? in general would be over the ocean horizon because of the great line-of-sight possibilities. It will not be long until we see floating RFID Wifi WarBouys, solar-powered for Wifi-to-Satelite network access, traveling like little automated submarines around in the depths of the ocean.

    I am always around Catalina island, as well as San Nicholas, San Clemente, and Santa Barbara islands; I'll claim First Buoy in the name of Petopia!

  63. No God? by anomaly · · Score: 1, Interesting

    On what authority do you make that negative assertion? I submit to you that it is logically inconsistent for you to make that assertion.

    Disagree? Email or post a reply!

    Anomaly

    BTW - I agree that there are many places on the planet more interesting than Seattle. :)

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    1. Re:No God? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1
      What's with this "what authority" business? Authority has nothing to do with it.

      Anyway, unless you can prove that God is a logical necessity I don't see how my assertion can be inconsistent. That I'd like to see.

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    2. Re:No God? by anomaly · · Score: 1

      From a logical perspective, the only way that you can positively assert that no God exists is to be certain of that.

      The only way to be certain of that is for you to have all knowledge of the universe simultaneously.

      As an example, let's say that you were looking for a small boy, and you thought that he was in a house. Is he present or absent?

      If you look in room A, and then look in room B, you can't say for sure that he was not it room B while you were in room A, and then in room A while you were in room B.

      If you could see all parts of all of the rooms in the house at the same time, you could say with certainty that the boy was not present in the house. Other than that, after a search you could say that it is very likely that he is not in the house, but not that he was not present at all.

      In the same way, I submit to you that it is possible that God exists, and you have not seen Him. Would you agree that this is a possibility?

      Respectfully,
      Anomaly

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    3. Re:No God? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      I take the attitude that in oridnary life if you are 99.999999% confident of something it is reasonable to assert it without guarding phrases like "I'm 99.999999% sure that..." otherwise our speech would be so bogged down with such things that communication would become difficult. I admit that many things are a possibility, including fairies, unicorns and the Loch Ness monster. I also have no hesitation in denying the existence of at least two of those without having to to prepend the above phrase. Same goes for God.

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  64. Re:Ummm by garymcg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You must be new here....

    Seriously, I completely agree with the parent poster. I thought the whole point of outdoor leisure activities was to get away from laptops, cell phones, pagers, television, etc.

    I scuba dive, and it is a whole other world down there. A world with no cell phones, internet etc. where no one even knows exactly where you are. Well no one but your dive buddy, and even that's doubtful given his poor underwater navigation skills...

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  65. Re:Get a life! by ptorrone · · Score: 1

    i don't have a shift key on this current device.

  66. now what they need to do... by conJunk · · Score: 1

    now what they need to do is modify the kyak to serve web content... then they'd have some thing

  67. my favorite: by sootman · · Score: 1

    war criming!

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  68. Nature. Just nature. by Infonaut · · Score: 1
    This is a lot like the surfboard-camera thing. Sometimes the object of being outside immersed in nature is to...

    be in nature.

    I know, it's a weird thought, but war-hiking, war-kayaking, war-spelunking, and so on are essentially removing you from the environment you're ostensibly in. Think of it this way: If you are in an art museum talking on your cell phone to a friend, are you really able to immerse yourself in the art? If you're out on the water or in the forest, or climbing a rock formation, and you're too attached to the network, you lose the experience of being out in nature.

    I'm sure it was fun to go war-kayaking, and it's an interesting technology exercise. But I also wonder if it's becoming so difficult for geeks to pull ourselves out of the network that we're losing our ability to appreciate and enjoy the physical world that surrounds us.

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    1. Re:Nature. Just nature. by ptorrone · · Score: 1

      i still don't quite get why a lot of people demand others enjoy things in a certain way -their way- perhaps kayaking is better for some people that choose to do a project like chart out wifi and then write about, i don't think the author (me) would ever tell anyone "hey, you need to bring a pda with you when you go kayaking" so why would anyone want to tell me how to enjoy myself? last i checked i had a great time, and i'll go kayaking again, sometimes with some tech, sometimes without- whatever makes -me- enjoy the experience more. for me, i tend to pay attention to things more if i am taking pictures, writing about it or documenting it in some way, but that's just me.

  69. When the SSID starts with USS ... by michajoe · · Score: 1

    When the SSID starts with USS, you might want to stop right there and check your e-mail at another friendly WLAN.

    Just think of the wififofum radar screen. Now imagine a screen just like that onboard that US Navy Destroyer. You and your kayak are the target. For invading the captains secret porn WLAN.

    And they will have railguns soon.

  70. Oh yeah, thats a real smart idea.. by spacecadetglow · · Score: 1

    Bring expensive hardware on a vehicle prone to flipping over when surrounded by water. I tip my hat to these risktakers.

  71. Re:Ummm by lidocaineus · · Score: 1

    Using your gadgets to unintrusively enhance your activities to is what it's all about. REPLACING your activities with a gadget is what people get all up in arms about.

  72. Apologies if it's already been said... by cheezfreek · · Score: 3, Funny

    Last week I was sure I saw U.S. President Bush war mongering...
    Groan, boo, hiss, I know.

  73. Re:*sigh* by amber_of_luxor · · Score: 1

    I can imagine you unbuckling a girl's bra ( if youget that far) and then wondering how to use a GPS to engineer an automatic bra-unbuckler and then running off in the middle to write some code for it.

    Jerks wouldn't know how to code their way into such a situation.

    Non-jerks, OTOH....

    Amber

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  74. hey question by ShadowRage · · Score: 1

    who here first thought someone had devised a kayak with ramming spikes, side cannons, and the kayakers armed with lances?

  75. Ah, I'm glad you asked... by Libertarian_Geek · · Score: 1

    It's called a hand roll. You don't need a paddle to roll grass-hopper. It's all in the hip-flick. (The other hand sculling helps too).

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  76. ai yi yi... by jpellino · · Score: 1

    Good to see they gave you paddle floats (that is what's under the fore bungees, right?) and a pump.

    If you're going to be fiddling with things in a kayak, you might want a paddle leash - tie about 6' of plain old camping cord to the bungee just ahead of you and to a velcro strap (west marine etc) around the shaft.

    Next time cut some real cellulose kitchen sponges in half and toss one in each of those baggies... Baggies are convenient (hope someday I don't have to explain the pile of them in the glove box at a traffic stop) but they aren't foolproof and the sponge will soak up small leaks and let the bags float if ^H^H when you drop them overboard. Ask my Garmin 12 about that...

    That way AFTER you get back on the boat and empty it, you can paddle around and collect the gear.

    Else you'll be fishing for the bag$ of goodie$ while the wind has fun with your ride home...

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  77. Questions, not demands by Infonaut · · Score: 1
    I apologize if I sounded like I was coming down on you for war-kayaking. I'm not trying to tell you what to do or not to do. The real point of my comment was to raise a question about how our use of technology changes our relationship to nature, even when we're out in it.

    I wonder if in bringing so much of our technology with us as we explore nature, we're failing to appreciate what is around us. As a kayaker you probably appreciate nature quite a bit. Maybe you don't. Maybe I don't appreciate it enough. I don't know. But what will happen if we keep bringing our leisure technology with us, even to the most remote corners of the globe? How will it affect our relationship with nature, if there really is nowhere to go that isn't permeated with technology?

    Car camping is already an entrenched part of American culture. People drive their huge vehicles into a state park, get out the lawn chairs, hook up the TV, and turn an outdoor environment into an extended living room.

    I'm not saying that your war-kayaking experiment was anything like this. But I think that the extension of the communications grid into environments that used to be relatively free of overt technology should cause us to think about its long-term effect.

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  78. when will it end? by acidrain69 · · Score: 1

    Yeah? Well I went war-pub crawling last week, and one time I was lost at sea after a plane crash, so I went war-shipwrecking with my trusty pda!

    Next week, I plan to have myself buried alive to go war-graving.

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  79. Violation! by xsupergr0verx · · Score: 1

    This patent will never hold up. The Iroquois can claim prior art to "War Kayaking" from centuries ago.

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  80. Re:Unicorn by CyberDruid · · Score: 1

    Is it logically inconsistent of me to claim that there is no invisible pink unicorn? On what authority would I make such a negative assertion?

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  81. Re:Unicorn by anomaly · · Score: 1

    Lack of evidence seems to suggest a lack of existence of your theoretical unicorn.

    The order and precision in the universe, along with the complexity of life and biological systems tends to suggest some contribution of an intelligent designer.

    The question is whether you will investigate the evidenc for a designer with an open mind. I believe that the likelihood of an invisible pink unicorn is low given the evidence. Got any evidence to suggest that it *does* exist?

    Respectfully,
    Anomaly

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  82. What about evidence? by anomaly · · Score: 1

    Is there any evidence that would be sufficient to change your position on that issue, or is the nonexistance of a god merely a point of faith for you?

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    1. Re:What about evidence? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1
      It's unlikely that any evidence could change my view but not impossible. For example such evidence would have to come with some very strong additional evidence that I wasn't going insane. For example if I heard God speaking to me directly I'd see a psychiatrist right away (unless, of course, my illness made me not want to do so). I think the chances of me going that insane at some point in my life are probably greater than 1 in 100,000 and everything I say has to be predicated on the assumption that I'm not insane - otherwise I can't really say anything.

      Still, once we're getting into that kind of realm of possibility I have to start considering a lot of other interesting hypotheses too - like that our universe is a big simulation running on some computer in some bigger universe. In fact, if God does exist I'd probably say that this was the most likely scenario.

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    2. Re:What about evidence? by anomaly · · Score: 1

      So it is a matter of faith, then. OK. I'll stop bothering you.

      Nothing to see here...... :)

      Anomaly

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    3. Re:What about evidence? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 1

      Amazing what you're able to deduce without any information.

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  83. Re: appreciation for what lies beyond by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    I don't think we're really disagreeing that much on this... We should never be "slaves to technology". I also agree that there's a time to put the "toys and tools" away, and just enjoy what's there in front of you.

    Still, it doesn't take a whole afternoon to appreciate the beauty of a waterfall or natural spring you hiked to get to, or a huge cliff you reached. You might spend the good part of the day trying to reach one of those things, and that's great. But many camping trips are more about finding a nice, quiet spot to pitch a tent and relaxing. In that scenario, I see nothing inherently wrong with firing up a laptop computer or PDA and catching up on a few things, if you feel like doing so.

    I guess my point is, there seem to be some "nature freaks" out there with a decidedly anti-technology outlook, who act like you're commiting a crime if you show up with electronics to a campground. Sorry folks, but maybe I can be *more* relaxed after I've checked my messages and wrote back to a few friends.