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KDE 3.3 Beta "Klassroom" Released
twener writes "The KDE team has announced the Beta 1 development version of the upcoming KDE 3.3 release. This release is named 'Klassroom' following the 'Kindergarten' Alpha; the goal is to make this child visit the "aKademy" KDE World Summit in August. Most planned features are there, next week starts the feature freeze. Source and provided binary packages are listed on the KDE 3.3 Beta 1 Info Page next to the KDE 3.3 Requirements List."
An interesting release name. Are we going to have HighsKool next?
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Eh! The actual release would be Kollege ??
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This konvention of knaming everytking witk a K is starting to annoy the krap out of me.
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I'm not sure, I'm kinda of weary of the way that KDE goes around and does things. I was always under the impression that Linux was built up of smaller tools to make a useable operation system, yet KDE seems intent on combining many programs into larger ones to manage the system. I'm not saying that this approach is wrong, it's just something that I don't really think is beneficial. Something that really pops out at me is the fact that the browser and filesystem viewer are combined into one. Sounds a little familiar, and we all know what happened with the other one..
It's one thing to bloat KDE with questionably useful features, it's quite another to bloat KDE with features of this sort. I just hope the default is not HTML.
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KDE announced they were acquiring the rights to the Knoppix distribution. A source at KDE who wished to remain anonymous said, "For some reason, we just liked the name."
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I don't know, but I'm sure hungry for some Krispy Kreme now.
They'd be perfect as thin clients for a K12LTSP server. For that you need one decent machine to use as a server. It's a LOT easier than administering 20 stand-alone boxes.
In theory, practice and theory are the same. In practice, they're not.
Major Kontact improvements all-around
Amarok, a new audio player that will hopefulyl replace the awful Noatun/Kaboodle
KolourPaint - which was needed
My wish: integrate Konversation, and get rid of Keramik :)
We've always been at war with Eurasia.
Well, you can still use them as thin clients. that way you'll probably still be able to run kde6.0 on them. (if the Xserver guys don't make to many wars) seriously though, we can't always stay in the past. linux needs to have a full blown desktop availible if it wants to reach the desktop market. geeks like you and I can still use windowmaker of something else incredibily basic. kde is a great desktop for end users, and it becomes better every release.
Dubious? You mean because they all have the letter A in their names?
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Well, you don't have to use KDE as the window manager. There others like Fluxbox, WindowMaker and IceWM that could suit your needs and aren't full of bloat.
Or Koffin.
In theory, practice and theory are the same. In practice, they're not.
Kudos to KDE for Kuality Komputing!!! Koding and Kompiling have never been Kuicker! Konsole kreates a kompelling kommand-line-interface.
Such a kollection of kompatible kontraptions kan only be konceived by a konglomeration of kompassionate koders kontributing to a valiant kause.
KDE is kosher as far as I'm koncerned.
kde is a "pretty" and well functional desktop, while Gnome is a beast for developers to use, for end user usability (ok/cancel buttons on the wrong side?), and over all eyesore. i don't understand why gnome has won in the korporate world (sun/eclipse, etc) perhaps it is due to less restrictive licenscing (lgpl .vs. gpl)? i dunno. personally, i wish at least the SWT would be kde based.
and we haven't even gotten into Kris Kringle v. the KKK
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it just depends where you live.. in many languages things like ceramics, class, academy and other words are written with a 'k'.
besides, it's a handy way to differentiate..
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Jeez. You can't come up with anything to do with those? You realize that there was a whole world before GHz; a world many people still happily inhabit.
"The world only exists in your eyes. You can make it as big or as small as you want." - F Scott Fitzgerald
I thought it was odd that they posted all those previews for 2.6 and post-release reviews for it, but when it was actually released there was no post.
*shrug*
"The world only exists in your eyes. You can make it as big or as small as you want." - F Scott Fitzgerald
Will Mortal Kombat run on this thing?
How does an erroneous question get modded as insightful?
Every gnome beta gets announced here as well, as all can easily verify...
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
The last time i restarted X was when i installed KDE 3.2 almost 2 months back... am waiting for KDE 3.3 to restart X again... KDE rocks !!
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Don't whine, at least they're being konsistent with their naming scheme.
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HAHAHA MOD Parent UP!! ! ! He used a lot of K's! ! HAHAHAH!!!
Wow, they're quick. Isn't this like half the time between KDE 3.1 and KDE 3.2?
That said, *drool*. My main interests in KDE 3.3 is full groupware support in Kontact, a working Kopete, and hopefully some stability cleanups. I look forward to every KDE release, as each one blows me away with how well done it is from an overall design perspective.
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Well they require an X server, but theyre recommending XFree86, isnt that odd considering everybody has just blatenly ditched Xfree86 for the most part for X.org?
The default system menu that ships with Fedora Core 2 is a more ideal way to set up a menu, where the name of each program explains WHAT IT DOES, rather than trying to shoehorn some cute name into something that starts with K (or G for you Gnome fans). For example:
Instead of saying GAIM it says "Internet Messenger"
Instead of Mozilla, it says "Web Browser"
Kremated?
So, is there any chance we could discuss KDE in this thread? As opposed to just an endless stream of unfunny "K" jokes, GNOME vs KDE flamewars, and Windows vs Linux flamewars?
Ohh sorry, I forgot for a sec... this is slashdot.
Here is the google cache for the features
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
czech, slovak, german, greek, russian. most european languages, i think
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German.
ceramic = keramisch
class = Klasse
academy = Akademie
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The language where words like ceramic and academy come from for one, Greek.
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I had always been afraid of "unstable" versions, but had to try a Conectiva "snapshot" to get my notebook working with 3D acceleration. It has been several weeks now in KDE 3.2.3, with no problems at all, except that every time I do an apt-get dist-upgrade, about once a week, I get over 100Mb of downloads. If that's the price to pay for something that's still under development, I'll gladly pay.
Whoa, I never knew it was supposed to be ceramic, I've been pronouncing it ke-ra-mick, like Kermit.
Why does every incremental release and beta of KDE get mentioned here? But when Gnome releases, nary a word.
:)
Oh, take a break. It's a slow day. We need some news, right?
Is there any knews of this being faster? I've been annoyed that kde is slower than windows. Yeah, it looks nice, but most of those visual enhancements are from nice 2D graphics. I like kde because it has more basic programs than light WM's like fluxbox, but it's still kinda slow. They seem to be taking the microsoft route. Add features before making it faster and more stable. It's ironic where this is headed.
I ment html mail composing ofcourse. and I almost forgot the virus and spam wizards
Wizards to help create spam and virii easily?
Kmail for sKript Kiddies?
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
Linux will run very well on those old Dell 266's you got at school- particularly if you use something like it comes with some of the liter window managers.
I see all these new things, but I am a visual person, and I need pictures man, I need pictures!
Does anyone have any screenshots of the new features or pictures of why I should bother trying this new version over the version that I have installed but don't use now anyway?
DFossmeister
No Not Again! Its whats for dinner.
and that hasn't caused any problems.
lets just say that KDE becomes everybodies favorite desktop, and all the computer neophytes embrace it over windows, then i'll have the joy of reading all teh slashdot rants about 'how stupid it is that konqueror is built into the system. it's an invitation for viruses and exploits.' Now i know that 'the most popular browser in the world' is a virus whore for reasons other then just being popular, but having it integrated so deeply into your system gives you a great single point of failure for people to attack. Sooner or later you'll have remote widgets opening up in everything. No thank you.
I like my file manager as a file manger, my browser as a browser. I'm not saying no to interoperability (it is nice) but i don't think they should be the same program. (FTP support ina file manager isn't a bad idea though, as long as you use your file manager for managing files)
Also, I think that IE is the most prolific browser in the world, not the most popular. Opera and Firefox have borderline cult followings. Many IE users don't even realise that they are using a browser and not the internet (this is not to say people who use IE are stupid, but stupid people have easy access to IE, where stupid = not in the know). Basically, if you lookde for people proclaiming their undieing affection for their browser of choice, i don't think (despite the steep market lead), IE wins
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Hey kids, welcome to Krusty's KDE Klub.
*Looks back at large billboard acronym* ooh that doesn't look good
(and yes, i abbreviated an acronym...)
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That letter gives a hint of for what environment is, in both cases, but of course, that is optional, one of the best programs for KDE is called Quanta, not Kuanta.
Swedish for one. Probably most other germanic languages as well.
Probably because, based on my impressions of Gnome, a release of it is more properly called a "flatulent emission", and is not typically spoken of in polite company (or on slashdot).
Stop it with the K Krap.
ehh? i am graphic designer. well i can code but i am more an end user than a developer. and for me, gnome is much more better. nicer. more stable. more intuitive. it reminds me of macos, which i used before linux. may be kde is more windows like. but it does not mean better
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Konqueror: Added option to activate previous active tab if closing the current one
I'm there...
...or naming an integer variable "value".
I never even noticed the "backwards buttons." What I HAVE noticed is that every single machine I have installed kde on I end up with a seriously ugly desktop unless I'm willing to spend quite some time trying to figure out why all the fonts are so big, why they don't scale in rpoportion to the fonts in the workspace areas, how to make fix everything from looking like some windows noob's uglified XP desktop stuck at 800x600 resolution...
Seiously. Even the very pretty Suse looks ten times better with the plain jane default gnome desktop than the default kde desktop, and Suse has always been a designed-for kde distro.
It's also easier to pick the app you want via the command line when you can just k...
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Nestle has recently introduced Kit Kat Kubes
I shit you not.
into the Krypt.
Re:question (Score:1, Funny)
Funny? FUNNY? Oh, please! This is the most direct Flamebait I ever see on Slashdot. It's even more flamebait than the original post.
You don't have to use the Keramic theme. Use my Phase theme instead. No "K" anywhere!
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
May I suggest some humor? Perhaps the Krusty Komedy Klassic?
Frankly, as the "wm" prefixes for Windowmaker dockapps is driving me nuts!
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
Akademie is unused in typical culture.
The German words for school:
Akademie shows up in titles, but not in general usage. They also do not use "hochschule."
You need to restart your computer. Hold down the Power button for several seconds or press the Restart button.
[1] no K in "natural death", "euthanasia", "old age"...
Or, it could simply go Kaput.
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Contrary to your claim, I find Gnome much better with regards to usability.
KDE is 'better', technologically, but each time I've tried to switch I've been put off by the clutter and garish icons and themes. Some Gnome's buttons might be switched around (not that I've ever noticed), but as long as it's consistent, it doesn't really matter.
I reckon Gnome has won the corporate heart through it's simplicity. If you compare a screenshot of KDE against one of Gnome, it's obvious that Gnome is less in-your-face than KDE. Gnome sort of blends into the background. Sort of like the difference between a Ferrari and an Aston Matrin.
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The most interesting thing about this article is that, as you stated, the vast majority of posts is in reference to KDE naming. Noticeably absent are posts deriding KDE for technical problems, design issues and or performance issues.
It would suggest, anecdotally anyway, that users have no major issues with KDE which is something that cannot be said about almost any other Linux desktop. Observe other Slashdot articles about Gnome, xFCE or others and you will see lots of comments complaining about bugs, design issues, performance, lack of features and more. There are very few posts of this nature with this article and that alone speaks volumes for KDE.
Could it be that despite the flame wars, KDE is indeed the best/preferred desktop for Linux?
If its used properly it lets you immediately recognize an application is KDE compliant..
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I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I'm an English-speaking person, not a German-speaking person. I don't care if it's spelled "Konsole" in Germany. What's the point of translation if you're not going to use English words?
I know it's an annoying cliche now to bitch about the absolutely stupid K-prefix naming scheme, but to be honest the scheme itself is an annoying cliche so that's why it keeps coming up. It will keep coming up until the developers' cheesy sense of humor goes away. It's hard to take the names seriously, and it's hard for newbies to keep track of all these arcane K puns. It's bad enough they're having to deal with things called "grep" and "xine." Now we've got JuK, Konsole, Kroupware, Kougar, etc.
Haha..."Klassroom"...yeah, that's so cute. Disagree with all this if you want, but a lot of people don't like this dumb naming scheme.
Geez, talk about bias. Gnome users might say all that you said, but against KDE. Give me a break, the OK/Cancel combination is such a trivial issue that you get used to after five minutes (hey, ever used OS X?).
You basically illustrated the very prejudgmental bias the grandparent was asking about. Personally, I can't stand KDE's big giant foot--I like having a seperate Programs menu and a seperate Actions menu. KDE has an unholy beast of a start menu, completely with braindead pointless redundancies ("Control Center", "Settings", "System", etc.) as well as pointless "More Programs" subgroups. It's hell for a user.
Now, that I have my transparent kicker and I can be l33t in front of all my friends, I could care less about any more KDE 3.3 releases....well, unless they have transparent everything. Thats what I need.
Gnome is the one who had that godawful big giant foot. Thank god they replaced it.
Of the two desktops, I consider Gnome the least bad.
I don't care how it's written in another country. Again, what's the point of translations if we're just supposed to accept misspellings because they happen to be correct spellings for another language?
Prefixing things with K doesn't differentiate a thing. Like you need a K to do that. Just give them functional names, developers. You know, like Winzip or Microsoft Office. Not "Kroupware."
Besides the MS is optional in parlance. Most people would know what you were talking about if you said, XP, IE, IIS, Exchange & SQL Server.
The same could not be said if you started talking about onqueror, Eye of, IMP, onsole, lade, opete, etc
No ordinary user gives a damn what their program is implemented with as long as it works - apps should compete on their merits and would run anywhere if they (and the host WM) conform to open desktop guidelines.
The use of K & G just makes a mess of the start menu with cryptic sounding apps and introduces redundancy, confusion and partisanship that a Linux desktop could well do without.
Quack, quack.
I actually like naming scheme myself, but if we had to have another name, then what about just using "K" as a seperate word?
- K Browser
- K Mail
- K Messenger
- etc.
The "K" should show that the app not only works with KDE, but has been made with the libraries & APIs, etc.Seriously, what do you recommend?
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I'm running mandrake 10 on a dell inspiron 8200 laptop. It's running a 1.8 ghz p4 with 512 mb of ram. Simply launching konqueror takes a few seconds and a good amount of hard drive thrashing as it loads. Sometimes it's so slow I see each icon as it loads up. Now I've heard mandrake is slow and I am planning on switching to gentoo. I installed gentoo from stage 1 on an older machine and it was pretty easy so I intend on making the switch soon enough on my main computer that I use everyday. So responses might just say to make the switch and you'll see lightning speed. I'm hoping for that, but I'm a little skeptical. So there's the example with as much information I feel is needed.
Hrm let's think...
...and that's just from browsing my menu. And I don't even use Gnome as a primary desktop.
GConf, Gimp, Glade, GnuCash, Galeon, Gabby, Gabber, Gaim, GFax, GFontView, Ghemical, GSmartCard, GSwitchIt
You can now see a user's online status inside KMail and inside KAddressbook, if you have Kopete running. You can also click on an address to IM them, from inside either of these applications.
To me this is a killer feature. Gnome still has a bounty out on it ( http://www.gnome.org/bounties/IM.html
I really like KDE. However I love Gnome Terminal. It allows me to *really* make a it a fullscreen app. No sliding bars or menus there to distract me and take away precious screen space. I couldn't get Konsole to do this. Also I tried using Gnome Terminal under KDE and it had a few problems. It has been a while and I forget exactly what those problems were.
Once Konsole is as good as Gnome Terminal, I am making the switch to KDE full-time.
I'm still waiting for KDE 3.2.3 binary packages ..D ME
.. and this reschelude thing is happening on a daily basis , its like 3rd time in this month .. GREAT !
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.2.3/Debian/REA
"The current schedule is that the Debian backports will be rescheduled for July 6th, 2004."
well great, but its 8th now
I guess its time to get back to SuSE, they pay developers real money so they deliver on time.
Go grab those torrents.
What is this obsession with the K? It's completely pointless. It's not necessary.
Naming scheme? How about one where the developers actually come up with names that are functional and describe their product? Why is it so hard to just come up with a nice name? Final Draft is a screenplay-formatting application. Microsoft Word is a word-processing application. Winzip is a compression application. They're just nice, easy-to-remember names.
YOu may be surprised, I run KDE over MAndrake Linux 10.0 on a 450MHz PC with 320M memory, and an old 32M NVidia TNT video card. I have menu transparency, shadowing, and icon zooming all turned on and it runs just fine. I even manage to run Quake 2 and 3 using OpenGL under KDE with this box, although I usually switch to IceWM when gaming for better performance.
I'm also using it on a 550MHz crappy Packard Bell box with Intel on board graphics (hey it was a freeby) using FreeBSD. Again even with the Intel graphics, it runs transparent menus, icon zooming and shadows with no trouble. About the only thing I had to turn off was full window moving (works better with outline window moving), and it doesn't do OpenGL, but it performs well enough in 2D.
Yeah I know, all this stuff is old, time I upgraded etc. etc.
I suspect that, if they have enough memory (>128M)and decent video cards(anything that will run full colour accelerated sould, those old Dells could run KDE better than you think. Otherwise, use IceWM or Windowmaker.
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From the front page of gnu.org
"(GNU is a recursive acronym for "GNU's Not UNIX"; it is pronounced "guh-noo.")"
Though you're proablly just trolling, and I bit.
People make fun of Windows XP for a "Fisher Price" interface than use something called "KDE" with a "Konsole," "Kougar," "Kroupware," "Konquerer," etc. naming scheme.
After all, if we're criticizing maturity here...
Kan you repeat that aGain?
Aw k'mon kwit komplainin Gnow Geez
No. Don't be ridiculous. They were just some random screenshots I found.
I'm talking about things like the gradient on the bottom panel, the KDE logo strip along the menu, the garish icons, the faux LCD clock and the overly complicated wallpaper. All of it is unecessary and clutters the screen.
Don't get me started on the abomination that is Konq.
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I've come to really appreciate the simplicity of Eterm. Here's the command I use to run it:
Eterm -x --shade 50 --double-buffer -O -0 --color12 lightblue -f white --buttonbar=0 --scrollbar=0
This combined with screen makes my console work pretty easy.
Besides, what would that make Apple?
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I can't wait for KitchenSync personally. I'm surprised that it isn't getting integrated with Kontact, and it's a little disappointing that Qtopia is like the only supported sync device, but at least its existence in KDE should provide some motivation for people owning other devices to hack stuff up. (Personally I'm hoping for Symbian bluetooth syncing support, ideally which works by pressing a button on Kontact. Sweeeeeeet.)
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Can anyone else understand why some anonymous cowardly speed-reading clumsy-fingered moron modded this post "redundant"?= 113744&cid=963 5577
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid
It wasn't duplicative of any comment made previously, nor of any comment made since then.
(The original post essentially opined that the KDE release-notice makes no effort to be interesting to non-geeks.)
Maybe cuz KDE people acually post it on slashdot where as Gnome doesn't?
if You want to get a Gnome release mentioned.. why don't YOU do it instead of complaining?
I love keramik and crystal from the day they first came out. I'm sick of the grey ugly desktops most linux traditionalists want. Go use your stinkin motif themes or bluesteel or steelcurve or gnome-ugly themes. keramik is stylish and colourful without being overly animated and excessive. If people with taste hate Keramik so much why is there so much effort to make keramik themes for gnome (geramik) and open office crystal themes? If you don't like it, use something else, but your console loving fluxbox using opinions arent needed when it comes to convincing the masses to use kde.
Plastik is too boring. Its a step backwards. As is that version of Keramik thats called Keramik-lite. Keramik screenshots made me ditch the console for kde. (that and Konsoles tabs.. tabs are the greatest invention ever!)
Keramik
Klass
Akademi
Klassroom isn't far from the swedish Klassrum.
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You can't invest 5 minutes of your life and remove some of those unwanted icons, change the default style to something more toned down (like Plastik for example) and do the other things to make it more to your liking?
Unlike Gnome, KDE does not think that "one size fits all". That's why you can tweak the UI to be exactly the way you want it to be! But still, it seems that lots of people are thinking that "Waaah! KDE looks cluttered and confusing! There are too many icons in here and the style is too flashy!" when in fact the look and feel of the UI can be changed with minimal effort and time!
I find it really weird that one of the primary things people whine about is the default style of KDE. Well, some people like Keramik while others do not. And you can change it with minimal effort (that's the first thing I do when I install KDE. Takes me about *gasp* 30 seconds). And I remove some of the unwanted icons from the tasbar (taking me another 30 seconds or so).
I haven't seen Gnome win "corporate hearts" whereas KDE has not. Both are doing just fine.
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this may come as a shock to you, but.... All that stuff can be turned off! You are in no shape or form required to stick to the defaults! Or do you assume that you are somehow required to stick with the defaults? If you invested just few minutes of your life, you could easily make the UI look exactly how you want it to look! Is that too much to ask?
Fact is that you can't create a default look and feel that will please everyone. That is why you have the ability to adjust the UI to your liking.
No, do tell me. What is wrong with Konqueror? And, again: you are not in any shape or form forced to use it. Just use Krusader for filemanagement and Firefox for web-browsing if that's your cup of tea.
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I would consider myself a fairly knowledgable user, although im a convert from windows (a few years ago), but to be honest i would not know what widget set a programme uses. I use the programme for how good it is, not because of some irrational allegiance to a particular WM.
Somebody mentioned before about how naming programmes beginning with K or G doesn't matter because the main menu groups applications according to their genre; yes that is true, but if you're doing text based things from the command line, things can get very confusing, so it would be nice if not half of your bins or watever aren't beginning with K or G.
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If you compare a screenshot of KDE against one of Gnome, it's obvious that Gnome is less in-your-face than KDE.
What? Give me a break. I've seen GNOME desktop shots with ten times that much crud on the toolbars, and KDE can just as easily have a single tiny self-hiding toolbar with one button. Or none. What's so in-your-face about a single toolbar with a few buttons, in comparison to TWO toolbars "cluttering" my screen at all times?
If you're put off by the clutter and garishness of KDE then declutter it and use a different theme. There are several nice plain themes included and more available, probably even one that looks just like that GNOME desktop. KDE can be as simple as you make it. Or as complex and cluttered as you want.
Of course, I've always been put off by the GNOME icons looking too "cutesy", like they're trying to outdo the classic Mac OS and doing a bad job of it. Oh well, to each his own. But it would take a matter of two minutes to declutter that KDE desktop and tweak the panel to make it look much nicer than the GNOME desktop you use as a comparison. It's just silly to say that one is less in-your-face than the other. One is definitely easier to configure than the other (for us dummies, anyway).
Nevertheless, to satisfy you, here's a screenshot of my desktop with the Applications menu showing.
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So, you think that KDE is is just bunch of icons and Konqueror? If you drop Konqueror, you might as well drop KDE in it's entirely? Uh, OK....
That "wanking around" takes few minutes. Really, it's not rocket-science to modify KDE to look exactly what you want it to look like (although it's starting to seem (from the amount of complains KDE's default-settings seem to generate) that some of the "tech-savvy" people who run Linux/*BSD are completely incapable of going through few configuration-options). And do you REALLY expect them to come up with a set of default options that will please everyone?
So, what does KDE offer besides those oh-so-annoying icons and Konqueror? Well, it has a robust printing-system, good office-suite. good email-client, good Groupware-client, lots and lots of kick-ass apps, kio-slaves, kick-ass architecture, great IDE (Kdevelop), great web-tool (Quanta) etc. etc. etc. really, there's alot more to KDE than just Konqueror and some icons!
Really, your comment is more or less similar to "if you don't run Galeon, what's the point in running Gnome?".
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The points in the parent post were just some examples of what I didn't like in the screenshot given. I did search around for a nice theme/icon set on kde-look. I didn't find one that I liked (specifically, a Bluecurve like theme with Gnome-type icons).
There's nothing intrinsically wrong with Konq, I just don't like the look and feel of it. The overly long menu bar and the multitude of confusing buttons on the toolbar, for one. It may sound a stupid reason to you, but it's my choice to make.
I'm sure that if I invested an hour I could get rid of the excess menu bars, increase the spacing between the menu headers, remove the excess buttons on the toolbar, get rid of that annoying glowing application startup notification cursor, sort out the KDE menu and change the icons and themes. But I don't want to have to screw around with every application like that. The fact that KDE is set up to be flashy like that and Gnome is set up in a way I find nice, it just shows me that Gnome's design philosophy is the one for me.
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Is there something stopping you from running KDE with Bluecurve and Gnome-icons? If you have a set of icons in Gnome that you like, you can use those very same icons in KDE without any problems.
Well, I don't have a problem with the menubar. I did have a problem with the multitude of buttons in the toolbar. Which is why I removed most of them (again, takes about 20 seconds). The number of buttons is slated for reduction in future KDE's.
Well, AFAIK you can't change the menubar. But you can do rest of that stuff quite easily and it doesn't take a hour to do so. Most of the settings are system-wide and you only need to do them once.
To each on his own I guess. I for one can't stand the "one size fits all" and "we know what's best for you"-philosophy that seems to infest Gnome these days.
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I use KDE on a P1 233Mhz 96MB RAM PC. It is a little
slow to boot - but that happens about 1/month.
It is fine for:
Browsing (firefox)
Email (Evoloution)
PDF
Printing
I tried KDE 3.1 but 3.2 is faster. Gnome works but seems to be slower. IceWM works but not much speed diff. between that and KDE.
Don't make your problems my problems!
Here's what I have after half an hour of tweaking. I couldn't find a decent icon set (either prepackaged with Debian or on kde-look). The Gnome icons didn't work (at least, not out of the box). I'm sure with a bit of tweaking they'd work though.
There's a few minor niggles that I'd have to fix though before I could consider using KDE full time.
They're minor things (some might say insignificant), but they'd drive me crazy. I couldn't figure out how to remove the KDE strip on the K Menu.
Note that I'm not shitting on the KDE developers or complaining. I could never produce what they have.
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The K and G before the app can sometimes be annoying, but for people looking for a desktop that (visually) rivals Windows surely unified looks is a big thing.
Some apps have more than one client depending on what widget set you want to use, This perhaps should be done within one executable (perhaps an argument should be automatically passed saying the widget set preference, or something).
I'm a KDE user, so I know that if I install a k* or qt* app it should fit in with the whole look of KDE. likewise, a Gnome user will know that G*, Gnome* and (to a lesser extent) Gnu* apps will look the same as every other Gnome app.
I admit, other forms of standardisation should settled on, but what would you prefer... eg. Kpat and Gpat, or one named pat and one named patience? which would be which?
3.2.2 (that's all Debian has atm). The "Mixer" applet had loads of little bars for each channel and the height of the slider was the same as the height of the panel (24px). The unecessary bars could be removed using the context menu, one at a time, but the small slider made it totally unusable. The arts mixer didn't work (arts was running).
I've since uninstalled KDE because the archiver stole associations in Mozilla and put spurious entries in Gnome's applications menu (the entries could've been deleted and associations fixed, but I'm not going to go with 3.2 as it stands anway).
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And how many users will find kill in their menu to run?
They will see a bunch of things that say K-something ( notice the capitalization too ) and they can pretty much assume its a K-app.
Admins already have enough knowledge to know what is what, since they installed the damned thing....
Use a bit of common sense and think before you react.
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get gentoo and save your binary packages :)
Fine, as long as it can be put back. That's how I always end a session.
Amen! Keramik rules! Especially with the animated progress bar patch.