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KDE 3.3 Beta "Klassroom" Released
twener writes "The KDE team has announced the Beta 1 development version of the upcoming KDE 3.3 release. This release is named 'Klassroom' following the 'Kindergarten' Alpha; the goal is to make this child visit the "aKademy" KDE World Summit in August. Most planned features are there, next week starts the feature freeze. Source and provided binary packages are listed on the KDE 3.3 Beta 1 Info Page next to the KDE 3.3 Requirements List."
An interesting release name. Are we going to have HighsKool next?
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Just BLAM, new story? I paid for this damn it.
kmail with html mail, and hopefully full kolab groupware. kde3.3 is gonne rock!
...worst name ever.
Eh! The actual release would be Kollege ??
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Seriously though, Linux used to be known to run on anything, and now i dont think it will run on these old Dell 266's we got at school. We have about 20 of them and they were donated. I want to shoot the idiot who accepted them.
Boooohoo
...until I bought a Mac running OS X.
"..."Klassroom" following the "Kindergarten" Alpha, the goal is to make this child visit the "aKademy" KDE World Summit in August..."
Hmmm... Klassroom, Kindergarten, aKademy.... does this strike anyone else as a bit dubious?
-The Libra
"Please be patient--The future will begin momentarily."
KDE is THE best desktop on the planet!
Why does every incremental release and beta of KDE get mentioned here? But when Gnome releases, nary a word.
This konvention of knaming everytking witk a K is starting to annoy the krap out of me.
BOOT-KAMP
I can't see the Mysterious Future either! Thought my subscription had run out or something. Glad to know it's not just me....
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I kan't wait to download it.
I'm not sure, I'm kinda of weary of the way that KDE goes around and does things. I was always under the impression that Linux was built up of smaller tools to make a useable operation system, yet KDE seems intent on combining many programs into larger ones to manage the system. I'm not saying that this approach is wrong, it's just something that I don't really think is beneficial. Something that really pops out at me is the fact that the browser and filesystem viewer are combined into one. Sounds a little familiar, and we all know what happened with the other one..
would be Kareer.
It's one thing to bloat KDE with questionably useful features, it's quite another to bloat KDE with features of this sort. I just hope the default is not HTML.
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KDE announced they were acquiring the rights to the Knoppix distribution. A source at KDE who wished to remain anonymous said, "For some reason, we just liked the name."
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I wish KDE would get over its annoying obsession with the letter K. I love KDE, but honestly, naming a theme "Keramic" is just stupid. It makes me want to switch to CDE just to get that stupid letter out of my head.
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Major Kontact improvements all-around
Amarok, a new audio player that will hopefulyl replace the awful Noatun/Kaboodle
KolourPaint - which was needed
My wish: integrate Konversation, and get rid of Keramik :)
We've always been at war with Eurasia.
Kudos to KDE for Kuality Komputing!!! Koding and Kompiling have never been Kuicker! Konsole kreates a kompelling kommand-line-interface.
Such a kollection of kompatible kontraptions kan only be konceived by a konglomeration of kompassionate koders kontributing to a valiant kause.
KDE is kosher as far as I'm koncerned.
hope it doesnt kill me with more bloat,tight browser integration,occupation of 440mb out of 512mb when i open two apps... oopz..is this MS mailing list?
Windows XP is THE best desktop on the planet!
Kardiac arrest
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
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The last time i restarted X was when i installed KDE 3.2 almost 2 months back... am waiting for KDE 3.3 to restart X again... KDE rocks !!
fifteen jugglers, five believers
HAHAHA MOD Parent UP!! ! ! He used a lot of K's! ! HAHAHAH!!!
klease knsert kou kenis knto k kans knus knd kuit kosting kere....
I hope it's not Krap!!!
Wow, they're quick. Isn't this like half the time between KDE 3.1 and KDE 3.2?
That said, *drool*. My main interests in KDE 3.3 is full groupware support in Kontact, a working Kopete, and hopefully some stability cleanups. I look forward to every KDE release, as each one blows me away with how well done it is from an overall design perspective.
--GrouchoMarx
Card-carrying member of the EFF, FSF, and ACLU. Are you?
There's a faction within K that dropped out of Kindergarten. This fork goes: Kentucky, toilet-Kleaner, Klan, Kill't
I wish I had mod points - this is hilarious
Well they require an X server, but theyre recommending XFree86, isnt that odd considering everybody has just blatenly ditched Xfree86 for the most part for X.org?
The default system menu that ships with Fedora Core 2 is a more ideal way to set up a menu, where the name of each program explains WHAT IT DOES, rather than trying to shoehorn some cute name into something that starts with K (or G for you Gnome fans). For example:
Instead of saying GAIM it says "Internet Messenger"
Instead of Mozilla, it says "Web Browser"
So, is there any chance we could discuss KDE in this thread? As opposed to just an endless stream of unfunny "K" jokes, GNOME vs KDE flamewars, and Windows vs Linux flamewars?
Ohh sorry, I forgot for a sec... this is slashdot.
Here is the google cache for the features
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I had always been afraid of "unstable" versions, but had to try a Conectiva "snapshot" to get my notebook working with 3D acceleration. It has been several weeks now in KDE 3.2.3, with no problems at all, except that every time I do an apt-get dist-upgrade, about once a week, I get over 100Mb of downloads. If that's the price to pay for something that's still under development, I'll gladly pay.
Qt Licence restrictions and Kommerical Kontrol of key technology by Qt means that KDE is not road to go down. Luckily, most of this stuff runs under Gnome so you can still run your apps before you port them to GTK.
Is there any knews of this being faster? I've been annoyed that kde is slower than windows. Yeah, it looks nice, but most of those visual enhancements are from nice 2D graphics. I like kde because it has more basic programs than light WM's like fluxbox, but it's still kinda slow. They seem to be taking the microsoft route. Add features before making it faster and more stable. It's ironic where this is headed.
I was always under the impression that Linux was built up of smaller tools to make a useable operation system, yet KDE seems intent on combining many programs into larger ones to manage the system. I'm kinda of weary of the way that KDE goes around and does things. Something that really pops out at me is the fact that the browser and filesystem viewer are combined into one. Sounds a little familiar, and we all know what happened with the other one. I'm not saying that this approach is wrong, it's just something that I don't really think is beneficial.
I see all these new things, but I am a visual person, and I need pictures man, I need pictures!
Does anyone have any screenshots of the new features or pictures of why I should bother trying this new version over the version that I have installed but don't use now anyway?
DFossmeister
No Not Again! Its whats for dinner.
and that hasn't caused any problems.
lets just say that KDE becomes everybodies favorite desktop, and all the computer neophytes embrace it over windows, then i'll have the joy of reading all teh slashdot rants about 'how stupid it is that konqueror is built into the system. it's an invitation for viruses and exploits.' Now i know that 'the most popular browser in the world' is a virus whore for reasons other then just being popular, but having it integrated so deeply into your system gives you a great single point of failure for people to attack. Sooner or later you'll have remote widgets opening up in everything. No thank you.
I like my file manager as a file manger, my browser as a browser. I'm not saying no to interoperability (it is nice) but i don't think they should be the same program. (FTP support ina file manager isn't a bad idea though, as long as you use your file manager for managing files)
Also, I think that IE is the most prolific browser in the world, not the most popular. Opera and Firefox have borderline cult followings. Many IE users don't even realise that they are using a browser and not the internet (this is not to say people who use IE are stupid, but stupid people have easy access to IE, where stupid = not in the know). Basically, if you lookde for people proclaiming their undieing affection for their browser of choice, i don't think (despite the steep market lead), IE wins
The Neo-Bohemian Techno-Socialist
Kould Korn Kreate the startup sound?
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Lousy rotten karmic retribution.
I could have look at kde.org but there is a certain suspicion that the next release will be something like "Kollege".
Don't mod me up or down, just stick to the facts: How does this beta perform, does it do well, do the developers feel comfortable and so on...
Stop it with the K Krap.
Who's scarier: Steve Jobs worshiping Apple maniacs or KDE Zealots? Who mods higher for astroturfing? Who ignores dwindling market share better? Who denies their SCO/Microsoft connections better? Who mods dissent faster? Who gets more puff/troll articles planted on Slashdot?
Konqueror: Added option to activate previous active tab if closing the current one
I'm there...
...or naming an integer variable "value".
I never even noticed the "backwards buttons." What I HAVE noticed is that every single machine I have installed kde on I end up with a seriously ugly desktop unless I'm willing to spend quite some time trying to figure out why all the fonts are so big, why they don't scale in rpoportion to the fonts in the workspace areas, how to make fix everything from looking like some windows noob's uglified XP desktop stuck at 800x600 resolution...
Seiously. Even the very pretty Suse looks ten times better with the plain jane default gnome desktop than the default kde desktop, and Suse has always been a designed-for kde distro.
It's also easier to pick the app you want via the command line when you can just k...
"A few great minds are enough to endow humanity with monstrous power, but a few great hearts are not enough to make us w
Sorry, I forgot to strip it
into the Krypt.
I wish Apple would get over its annoying obsession with the letter i. I love the company, but honestly, naming an MP3 player "iPod" is just stupid. It makes me want to switch to OS/2 just to get that stupid letter out of my head.
and if the mods in their infinite wisdom chose to mod it funny again, I'm going to [insert word starting with K here]
Kevorkian.
When I saw the title, I was really hoping that the KDE team had developed some kind of groupware application, something akin to Netmeeting, that could be used for distance learning. God, and anybody in academia knows that no such decent (and free) application exists.
Instead, I just find out that it's a code word for a new release.
Krap.
May I suggest some humor? Perhaps the Krusty Komedy Klassic?
Ok, the ^-name convention is wildly spread and all but can get extremely annoying. Why does every last bloody package have to start with a freaking ^?
It's about winning the "HEARTS and minds" of the wider (i.e. non-geek) world.
OMG, take a look at the linked article's list of new features in KDE:
how far down that list would a non-geek have to go, to find three consecutive items which are both useful AND INTELLIGIBLE to a non-geek?
Can you imagine how much differently that list would be worded, if KDE were a commercial product?
[1] no K in "natural death", "euthanasia", "old age"...
Or, it could simply go Kaput.
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The most interesting thing about this article is that, as you stated, the vast majority of posts is in reference to KDE naming. Noticeably absent are posts deriding KDE for technical problems, design issues and or performance issues.
It would suggest, anecdotally anyway, that users have no major issues with KDE which is something that cannot be said about almost any other Linux desktop. Observe other Slashdot articles about Gnome, xFCE or others and you will see lots of comments complaining about bugs, design issues, performance, lack of features and more. There are very few posts of this nature with this article and that alone speaks volumes for KDE.
Could it be that despite the flame wars, KDE is indeed the best/preferred desktop for Linux?
An app should be judged on its own merits, not on what particular widget set it happens to have running underneath.
More often than not for well written apps, it makes not a damned bit of difference to the functionality that the app is capable of.
If its used properly it lets you immediately recognize an application is KDE compliant..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
I'm an English-speaking person, not a German-speaking person. I don't care if it's spelled "Konsole" in Germany. What's the point of translation if you're not going to use English words?
I know it's an annoying cliche now to bitch about the absolutely stupid K-prefix naming scheme, but to be honest the scheme itself is an annoying cliche so that's why it keeps coming up. It will keep coming up until the developers' cheesy sense of humor goes away. It's hard to take the names seriously, and it's hard for newbies to keep track of all these arcane K puns. It's bad enough they're having to deal with things called "grep" and "xine." Now we've got JuK, Konsole, Kroupware, Kougar, etc.
Haha..."Klassroom"...yeah, that's so cute. Disagree with all this if you want, but a lot of people don't like this dumb naming scheme.
Geez, talk about bias. Gnome users might say all that you said, but against KDE. Give me a break, the OK/Cancel combination is such a trivial issue that you get used to after five minutes (hey, ever used OS X?).
You basically illustrated the very prejudgmental bias the grandparent was asking about. Personally, I can't stand KDE's big giant foot--I like having a seperate Programs menu and a seperate Actions menu. KDE has an unholy beast of a start menu, completely with braindead pointless redundancies ("Control Center", "Settings", "System", etc.) as well as pointless "More Programs" subgroups. It's hell for a user.
Now, that I have my transparent kicker and I can be l33t in front of all my friends, I could care less about any more KDE 3.3 releases....well, unless they have transparent everything. Thats what I need.
Gnome is the one who had that godawful big giant foot. Thank god they replaced it.
Of the two desktops, I consider Gnome the least bad.
I don't care how it's written in another country. Again, what's the point of translations if we're just supposed to accept misspellings because they happen to be correct spellings for another language?
Prefixing things with K doesn't differentiate a thing. Like you need a K to do that. Just give them functional names, developers. You know, like Winzip or Microsoft Office. Not "Kroupware."
Well, personally I don't mind since ... my wife's name is Kristine and my daughters' names are Kari and Kristelle. So hey, it works for me!
Quack, quack.
I actually like naming scheme myself, but if we had to have another name, then what about just using "K" as a seperate word?
- K Browser
- K Mail
- K Messenger
- etc.
The "K" should show that the app not only works with KDE, but has been made with the libraries & APIs, etc.Seriously, what do you recommend?
testing out my trending skills
I'm running mandrake 10 on a dell inspiron 8200 laptop. It's running a 1.8 ghz p4 with 512 mb of ram. Simply launching konqueror takes a few seconds and a good amount of hard drive thrashing as it loads. Sometimes it's so slow I see each icon as it loads up. Now I've heard mandrake is slow and I am planning on switching to gentoo. I installed gentoo from stage 1 on an older machine and it was pretty easy so I intend on making the switch soon enough on my main computer that I use everyday. So responses might just say to make the switch and you'll see lightning speed. I'm hoping for that, but I'm a little skeptical. So there's the example with as much information I feel is needed.
Hrm let's think...
...and that's just from browsing my menu. And I don't even use Gnome as a primary desktop.
GConf, Gimp, Glade, GnuCash, Galeon, Gabby, Gabber, Gaim, GFax, GFontView, Ghemical, GSmartCard, GSwitchIt
You can now see a user's online status inside KMail and inside KAddressbook, if you have Kopete running. You can also click on an address to IM them, from inside either of these applications.
To me this is a killer feature. Gnome still has a bounty out on it ( http://www.gnome.org/bounties/IM.html
I really like KDE. However I love Gnome Terminal. It allows me to *really* make a it a fullscreen app. No sliding bars or menus there to distract me and take away precious screen space. I couldn't get Konsole to do this. Also I tried using Gnome Terminal under KDE and it had a few problems. It has been a while and I forget exactly what those problems were.
Once Konsole is as good as Gnome Terminal, I am making the switch to KDE full-time.
I'm still waiting for KDE 3.2.3 binary packages ..D ME
.. and this reschelude thing is happening on a daily basis , its like 3rd time in this month .. GREAT !
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.2.3/Debian/REA
"The current schedule is that the Debian backports will be rescheduled for July 6th, 2004."
well great, but its 8th now
I guess its time to get back to SuSE, they pay developers real money so they deliver on time.
Go grab those torrents.
What is this obsession with the K? It's completely pointless. It's not necessary.
Naming scheme? How about one where the developers actually come up with names that are functional and describe their product? Why is it so hard to just come up with a nice name? Final Draft is a screenplay-formatting application. Microsoft Word is a word-processing application. Winzip is a compression application. They're just nice, easy-to-remember names.
People make fun of Windows XP for a "Fisher Price" interface than use something called "KDE" with a "Konsole," "Kougar," "Kroupware," "Konquerer," etc. naming scheme.
After all, if we're criticizing maturity here...
I am a member of the KKK and all I have to say is that some of the higher ups in the organization are planing on suing these bastards over the extensive use of the letter 'K'. Total krap.
In other news...Microsoft patents the computer chair.
Why did you repost this?
I've come to really appreciate the simplicity of Eterm. Here's the command I use to run it:
Eterm -x --shade 50 --double-buffer -O -0 --color12 lightblue -f white --buttonbar=0 --scrollbar=0
This combined with screen makes my console work pretty easy.
Besides, what would that make Apple?
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
I can't wait for KitchenSync personally. I'm surprised that it isn't getting integrated with Kontact, and it's a little disappointing that Qtopia is like the only supported sync device, but at least its existence in KDE should provide some motivation for people owning other devices to hack stuff up. (Personally I'm hoping for Symbian bluetooth syncing support, ideally which works by pressing a button on Kontact. Sweeeeeeet.)
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
Can anyone else understand why some anonymous cowardly speed-reading clumsy-fingered moron modded this post "redundant"?= 113744&cid=963 5577
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid
It wasn't duplicative of any comment made previously, nor of any comment made since then.
(The original post essentially opined that the KDE release-notice makes no effort to be interesting to non-geeks.)
Now I can play Amarok on Amarok!
I love keramik and crystal from the day they first came out. I'm sick of the grey ugly desktops most linux traditionalists want. Go use your stinkin motif themes or bluesteel or steelcurve or gnome-ugly themes. keramik is stylish and colourful without being overly animated and excessive. If people with taste hate Keramik so much why is there so much effort to make keramik themes for gnome (geramik) and open office crystal themes? If you don't like it, use something else, but your console loving fluxbox using opinions arent needed when it comes to convincing the masses to use kde.
Plastik is too boring. Its a step backwards. As is that version of Keramik thats called Keramik-lite. Keramik screenshots made me ditch the console for kde. (that and Konsoles tabs.. tabs are the greatest invention ever!)
scite would beat notepad and take the throne itself and you know it.
I use KDE on a P1 233Mhz 96MB RAM PC. It is a little
slow to boot - but that happens about 1/month.
It is fine for:
Browsing (firefox)
Email (Evoloution)
PDF
Printing
I tried KDE 3.1 but 3.2 is faster. Gnome works but seems to be slower. IceWM works but not much speed diff. between that and KDE.
Don't make your problems my problems!
And how many users will find kill in their menu to run?
They will see a bunch of things that say K-something ( notice the capitalization too ) and they can pretty much assume its a K-app.
Admins already have enough knowledge to know what is what, since they installed the damned thing....
Use a bit of common sense and think before you react.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
get gentoo and save your binary packages :)
Amen! Keramik rules! Especially with the animated progress bar patch.