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I-Neighbors, Not just another social network

neoatbay writes "Globeandmail has a story on I-Neighbors.org, a social networking site based on geography, rather than affinity. Unlike other websites that allow global, national, or city-wide communication, I-Neighbors links members of a single neighborhood, defined by the people that create them. It is created by a team led by Pro. Keith Hampton at MIT. Anyone in this neighborhood, and play badminton?"

235 comments

  1. Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is a stupid idea. I lived in the same neighborhood my first 20 years of life and only knew one neighbor - barely. Then the rest of my life since then, I've lived in the same apartment complex and I've never known anyone. I have seen the people who live next door and downstairs once or twice in the last five years, but I don't know anything about them. Or maybe they don't even live there and they're just visiting the people who do.

    Anyway, the point is - I don't know (nor do I want to) the people that live six inches away from me on the other side of the wall. Why the FUCK would I want to know any other people in the "neighborhood"?

    This sounds like just an excuse for local people to hookup and fuck behind their significant others' back.

    1. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not to mention, prefacing everything with an "I" is so 1998. God damn. That alone is reason enough to AVOID that gay ass site.

    2. Re:Stooooopid by FlipmodePlaya · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that's the point... people tend to have friends they know from work or school, we don't know the people we live around. This gives geeks a chance to meet people around them to, for instance, play badminton. I'm not going to look for anyone, but I can certainly understand why others would want to.

      By the way, there aren't many neighborhoods registered right now. I just checked out 4 or 5 zip codes and none of them had any...

    3. Re:Stooooopid by xkenny13 · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is a stupid idea. I lived in the same neighborhood my first 20 years of life and only knew one neighbor - barely.

      Maybe you'd know more people if you left the house every once in a while. Give the service a chance, maybe they can help you.

    4. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but what does someone's geography have to do with them being interesting? I feel safe in saying there isn't a single person I'd be interested in within walking range, even though that covers thousands of people. There might be a few fuckable chicks of legal age, but that's about it.

      I don't see what's so wrong with just closing yourself in and becoming a nesting type of person devoid of any social interaction with others in your community. That's what the future is heading toward and these luddites running these pansy "networking" sites are just fighting a futile (and stupid) fight against progress and evolution.

    5. Re:Stooooopid by tobes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I always thought meeting people was the easy part, and that maintaining a relationship was the hard part. If you don't have the skills to meet new people continuing social interaction with people you do manage to meet should prove difficult at best.

    6. Re:Stooooopid by BoldAC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who cares why you would or would not want to do it... many people will.

      The real jewel of this project is that it has an easy ad revenue pathway. The service knows exactly where people live so it can target local businesses to them... easy money!

      Finally one of these social sites has the ability to make real money.

      If they were to partner up with something like local google, they could have a real market.

      We should reward good business ideas... we see them so infrequently on the web these days.

    7. Re:Stooooopid by MikeMacK · · Score: 0

      Looks like another way to ostracize neighbors you don't like.

    8. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      There might be a few fuckable chicks of legal age

      Right, it's like I always say, "Men are from Mars, Women are for sucking my penis."

    9. Re:Stooooopid by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Insightful
      By the way, there aren't many neighborhoods registered right now. I just checked out 4 or 5 zip codes and none of them had any...

      Well, don't hold your breath. The domain name was only registered less than a year ago and there are probably thousands of identical competitors already. Personally, I'll just stick to Craigslist and Yahoo, at least they have critical mass.

    10. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I might be asking why would anybody want to get to know you

    11. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you think he needs help? Just because you don't know your neighbors doesn't mean you don't leave the house, it just means you don't know your neighbors.

    12. Re:Stooooopid by barzok · · Score: 2, Funny

      From the sounds I've heard through the walls in my various apartments, I don't want to know the people I've lived around.

    13. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I appreciate the defense, but... actually... I *don't* ever leave the house. The other poster was clearly quite perceptive. :)

    14. Re:Stooooopid by LennyDotCom · · Score: 1

      This sounds like just an excuse for local people to hookup and fuck behind their significant others' back.

      HEY!!! Thats a billion dollar idea!!!

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    15. Re:Stooooopid by LennyDotCom · · Score: 1

      It's a joke honey

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    16. Re:Stooooopid by JVert · · Score: 1

      Initiating conversation and maintaining relationships are different skills. Dont expect that getting better at meeting people will make you any better at keeping relationships.

    17. Re:Stooooopid by AbbyNormal · · Score: 1

      He knew his parents, that he was obviously living with at the time.

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    18. Re:Stooooopid by NiceGeek · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Not to mention, calling something you don't like "gay" is so 5th grade.

    19. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Dont expect that getting better at meeting people will make you any better at keeping relationships.


      As far as I can interpret, he said that they are two different skills. Which makes sense - if he were saying that they were the same skill (some ghostly point you seem to be opposing) then why would they have varying levels of difficulty? He seems to be saying that they are two distinct skills, one a small short-term ability, the other a larger long-term goal. Of course knowing only one won't necessarily make you better at the other. But that's not entirely true either... Both of them have a common denominator, which is knowing how and why people behave, what they like and don't like, lots of details like that that are underlying skills shared by both. There's never just two sides to anything unless you like illusions, so I say you're both right.
    20. Re:Stooooopid by CrkHead · · Score: 2, Informative
      By the way, there aren't many neighborhoods registered right now. I just checked out 4 or 5 zip codes and none of them had any...

      I'd say there are a fair number of listings for a site that has been up one week.
      http://i-neighbors.org/usa.php?rank=state

    21. Re:Stooooopid by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's something you wouldn't use, therefore it's stupid? I'll say it again: we need a new mod: "-1: the universe doesn't revolve around you".

    22. Re:Stooooopid by droleary · · Score: 1

      I always thought meeting people was the easy part, and that maintaining a relationship was the hard part. If you don't have the skills to meet new people continuing social interaction with people you do manage to meet should prove difficult at best.

      You're wrong, based on my own personality type at least. I'm great with people I know, but I often make a terrible first impression. The reason is quite simple: I actually care about people I get to know, so a complete stranger capturing my attention is less important than who I'm with. If you think about it, that is the better way to handle relationships; to have the just the first step be difficult, and then make the days/months/years that follow simple.

    23. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought trolls did't read the comments. ... Do they even know how to read?

    24. Re:Stooooopid by cot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This may be a foreign concept to you, but there's something to be said for a sense of community. Knowing your neighbors, inviting them to a barbecue, being able to ask them to keep an eye on your place while you're out of town, etc.

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    25. Re:Stooooopid by JVert · · Score: 2, Funny

      He said if you dont have skill A it will be hard to have skill B. He justified that statement by saying he is good at skill A and is having a hard time with skill B. Not to imply he is a whore, just because he is facing difficulty doesn't mean he isn't making accomplishments. But there are plenty of people who have a hard time with skill A but do great with skill B once they are forcefully introduced. The point I want to make is that if you are having trouble with skill B dont try and fix it by further improving skill A. Otherwise you might get deh AIDS.

    26. Re:Stooooopid by JWSmythe · · Score: 1


      I tried every neighborhood I've lived in, in the last few years. Nothing. I did try 10011, and found two. :)

      I made one, for shits and giggles, but knowing my neighbors (the little bit that I do), none of them would read Slashdot, and probably wouldn't run across that site.

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    27. Re:Stooooopid by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      Most people don't want to know their neighbors. I've had one neighbor that was interesting, in all the places I've lived. Generally, the people I end up living by, I don't want to have anything to do with.

      It's better to have friends that aren't next door. It's a lot easier to avoid them, when you realize that they're psychopathic freaks. Or in their demented minds, they think you are. :)

      It's really worth driving a few miles to visit friends, rather than having the uncomfortable moment of feeling like you have to say something to the freak next door, every time you see them outside.

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    28. Re:Stooooopid by Tackhead · · Score: 1
      > Anyway, the point is - I don't know (nor do I want to) the people that live six inches away from me on the other side of the wall. Why the FUCK would I want to know any other people in the "neighborhood"?

      Hell, I've seen the people six inches away from me on the other side of the wall. Now I know why their bathroom fan is on 24 hours a day, for 3 days a week. I want to move the fuck away from them, not get to know them better.

      Be thankful you don't know yours. The only community I want to join is the community of shotgun owners.

    29. Re:Stooooopid by Bullet-Dodger · · Score: 1

      Yeah, my neighbors are always having some sort of loud ecumenical debate, and agreeing with each-other a lot.

    30. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might I just take this time to say: LOL.

    31. Re:Stooooopid by nomel · · Score: 1

      What!? This is a WAY better idea for us shy nerds that aren't good at approaching people.

      Plus, if your ever running from the cops, it's nice to have somewhere close bye!

    32. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not going to look for anyone ...
      I think that's the point

      I don't play badminton either.

    33. Re:Stooooopid by smitty45 · · Score: 1

      you're so charasmatic. It's such a surprise only one of your neighbors wants to talk to you.

    34. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, thank god I don't live on a zip code border street. Oh wait, I do. Good thing I can't find anything about the cross the street neighbors. I think they're *terrorists*.

    35. Re:Stooooopid by Buckler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "This is a stupid idea. I lived in the same neighborhood my first 20 years of life and only knew one neighbor - barely. Then the rest of my life since then, I've lived in the same apartment complex and I've never known anyone. I have seen the people who live next door and downstairs once or twice in the last five years, but I don't know anything about them. Or maybe they don't even live there and they're just visiting the people who do." Indeed. I was in the same situation until about three weeks ago. Unfortunately I happen to live in Orlando, where we just received the wrath of hurricane Charley, and are now bracing for Frances. After the winds died down with Charley, my brother and I immediately darted out to the streets, calling out to see if anyone needed help, and joining anonymous bands of neighbors to help clear debris for power and emergency vehicles to get through. Over the next week, our heretofore unknown neighbors and we banded together, sharing generator feeds to keep refrigeration going for foods and medicines, providing un-asked-for help in cutting away toppled tree limbs, running for and providing ice and grill-space when there was no power, etc. Until this tragedy, the power of neighborhood could not have been imagined. We now know and like our neighbors, and know that we can all count on one another in time of need. I say this project is a good one, in that it can connect neighbors before the real need to do so is foisted upon them by circumstance. Solid neighborhoods are safer and better neighborhoods.

    36. Re:Stooooopid by tobes · · Score: 1

      your post gets better every time I read it!

    37. Re:Stooooopid by ibennetch · · Score: 1

      sorry, we'll try to keep it down next time

    38. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our closest neighbor is a piece of racist white trash that played his country music non-stop even though it echoed through the jam-packed neighborhood and everyone for a couple blocks could hear him yelling at his children (two and six) and threatening them from dawn till dusk. They were sad children. The two year old would sit in the front yard and tell people that walked by "fuck you".

      Well, awhile back, the oldest son of this guy (a teenager, I guess) was at their home and got in a fight with the father. He slit the little girl's throat and she died on the scene.

      So yeah. Just because somone lives close doesn't mean they're worth getting to know.

    39. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a different situation. Who wouldn't reach out to their neighbors in the case of a severe emergency? One of the great traits of human beings is that we instinctively have this "common thread" feeling that occurs in certain situations. We feel it in massive snow storms that shut down our cities. We felt it during 9/11. We feel it when we suffer a hurricane.

      While I would reach out to feed, cloth, rebuild or otherwise care for any neighbor in such a disaster - that doesn't at all mean I would want to befriend them now or even then.

    40. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could try this site, social but idea is different,
      search for friends through others.
      http://www.crystalballinc.com/iku/

    41. Re:Stooooopid by Spankophile · · Score: 1
      Mr. Taco, Please make me a preference option to hide headlines with articles that require registration.


      OffTopic of course, but why not use BugMeNot instead of worrying about sites with required registration?

    42. Re:Stooooopid by Sheepdot · · Score: 1

      You were given a -1 Troll rating by me because you responded to a troll. Since I am commenting, you will not have this rating anymore. Wisen up, don't feed the trolls.

    43. Re:Stooooopid by Sheepdot · · Score: 1

      Wow that was a witty response.

      You were given a -1 Troll rating by me because you responded to a troll. Since I am commenting, you will not have this rating anymore. Wisen up, don't feed the trolls.

    44. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that's gay.

    45. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and that report was brought to you from Mommy's basement. Sports news next, after the break.

    46. Re:Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's your problem if you're anti-social and boring.

      Is everything you dislike a stupid idea?

    47. Re:Stooooopid by iamhassi · · Score: 1
      You're right, this is incredibly stupid. What they need is I-Sex, where you can look up women in your local area looking for sex. Now THAT would be popular!

      Wonder if I-Neighbors has a "search by closest location with desire to get laid" option? Now that would be interesting...

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    48. Re:Stooooopid by kpost · · Score: 1

      This is NOT stupid. I belong to a similar group, Local2Me and it's been great. It's been the best source for me of information about contractors, local restaurants, etc. The quality of the contractors alone that we've found is huge. Once you've had some bad experience dealing with bad contractors, you'll realize how valuable it is to get other people's feedback of their own first-hand experiences. And for this type of info, neighborhood lists are the only way to go.

      -Kevin

    49. Re:Stooooopid by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point. You didn't need I-Neighbourhood to bring the community together - you did it yourselves. Hell, even a slashdotter got involved - real life isn't that scary when we're faced with it.
      A solid neighbourhood doesn't come from some superficial dating agency spinoff (which as people have mentioned, will probably used as one) - it comes from actually needing each other.

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    50. Re:Stooooopid by Buckler · · Score: 1

      (First of all, please forgive my lack of formatting; I'm more into harware than HTML. If anyone'd care to email me a brief tutorial for Slashdot posting & formatting, I'd be grateful) With respect, I don't think I'm missing the point. Rather, I'm making a counterpoint. The original poster seems to think that because he, himself, has never met his neighbors, it's a worthless effort to do so at all. Given recent experience, I think it can be valuable to form neighborhood networks. (In America, we have this thing called "Night Out" once a year, in which neighbors are encouraged to get together for block parties and social events, so they can get to know one another, and thus help to deter crime). I think such efforts can be valuable. Used in the right way, I-Neighbors can be just as valuable. Do I think it will be generally used with the spirit in which it was created? No. Do I think some will? Yes. And they are the ones who will benefit from it. Keep in mind that I work for a city community agency. My views may be biased; but I still think this project has some value. I do, in fact, take to heart your reply, and believe it is valid. I suppose I may be simply an optimist at this point.

    51. Re:Stooooopid by Buckler · · Score: 1

      "While I would reach out to feed, cloth, rebuild or otherwise care for any neighbor in such a disaster - that doesn't at all mean I would want to befriend them now or even then." I suppose my response to this would be that you indeed never know who you would want for a friend until you encounter them. You can do this by choice, or you can do it by neccessity. I was given neccessity. I-Neighbors offers a choice. It may not be the best solution (for reasons given often during this thread), but it may be a step in the right direction. Cheers.

    52. Re:Stooooopid by Class+Act+Dynamo · · Score: 1

      I like that of all the activities you could have picked, you chose badminton.

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    53. Re:Stooooopid by drsquare · · Score: 1

      That would be an ecumenical matter.

    54. Re:Stooooopid by It'sYerMam · · Score: 1

      For me and people like me, though, things like that would be awful. If I socialise I do it because I want to - not because some agency, community, government or otherwise says I ought to. For me, socialising has to sit inside very tight parameters for it to work at all. It must feel natural - setting out to socialise ends in disaster because that's not the way it works. OTOH, if I meet someone in a bar by accident, and get talking with them, a great friendship could occur.
      Sure, some people do purposeful socialising, but if you ask me it just feels fake.

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  2. this is an opportunity.... try it. by yagu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This has potential. One thing I've noticed (and read about) over the last twenty years (the explosion of the information age) is the accelerated pace of everything. I had lived in neighborhoods where within 200 feet of me are ten households and potentially contacts and friends. But everyone is SO busy working, commuting, carting children around, being paranoid.... noone has time left for socializing. So, after living in that house for almost ten years, the only people we really became acquainted with were our next door neighbors.

    Ironically, right before moving from there, we discovered potential new friends one block away. How? She was the bailiff of a trial for which I participated on the jury. In a trial 30 miles from the house!

    I've already created a new neighborhood for my new place. Will be inviting people around the area. I think this could be disruptive technology, which in this case could be very cool. My $.02

    1. Re:this is an opportunity.... try it. by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or better- don't ever fuck over your friends, and you don't have to worry about doing so.

      Its always nice to have some friends nearby. Its miss college when I could walk down the hall and yell to find something to do. Its great to be able to be able to just walk down the block and drop by, rather than play phone tag or have to drive 30 minutes to see them.

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    2. Re:this is an opportunity.... try it. by randyest · · Score: 1

      OK, I was going to ask the grandparent poster: "do you get in that many fights -- sheesh!"

      And then I read your post. More specifically:

      Its great to be able to be able to just walk down the block and drop by

      Oh no. The dreaded drop-in. Please -- call first! And if you get no answer or voicemail, leave a short message and don't keep calling.

      Seriously -- you inadvertently made his point :)

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    3. Re:this is an opportunity.... try it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was talking about college, numbnuts. Who the fuck calls first in a dorm?

    4. Re:this is an opportunity.... try it. by petecarlson · · Score: 1

      In my neighborhood you walk outside to take a break and go get a cup of coffie and end up sitting out on the pier with friends or sitting on the corner drinking a glass of wine and barbecuing as I did tonight. Of course this isn't so good for the work flow, but I wouldnt have any of the work if I didn't meet all the people that I meet while walking around. It helps that we have the Jabali which is sort of like a comunity living room. Where is this place? Fells Point, located on the harbor in Baltimore. Where the college years never end.

  3. weird by l33t+m4st3r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems like a weird idea. why would you want to meet "neighbors" id rather go on irc and talk to random people that to go to a "picnic" with my "neighbors".

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    1. Re:weird by chris_mahan · · Score: 1

      Plus, then , they might know where you live... Ewwww!!!

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      "Piter, too, is dead."

    2. Re:weird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever get laid? Ever get laid on IRC? Ever want to get laid? Try meeting someone in person, it might help (or not, your milage may vary).

    3. Re:weird by TheTick · · Score: 1

      In meatspace, your neighbors are one of the primary factors in your environmnet. Since your meat environment facilitates your irc interactions, I'd think you would be interested in it...

      Lack of interest is strange to me.

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  4. great by terrymaster69 · · Score: 5, Funny
    So instead of actually going OUT and meeting people in your neighborhood, you can all get together and chat online. Just what the world needs, more isolationism. (he says posting on slashdot)

    I can see it now, instead of the "Welcome to the Neighborhood!" cake, you get a "Welcome to the Neighborhood" email.

    1. Re:great by Resident+Maniac · · Score: 1
      I can see it now, instead of the "Welcome to the Neighborhood!" cake, you get a "Welcome to the Neighborhood" email.
      Or maybe even a "Welcome to the Neighborhood" virus! =P
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      "Life isn't about the number of breaths we take; it's about the moments that take our breath away. Like choking."
    2. Re:great by f00zy · · Score: 1

      anyone willing to admit that they remember the ugly kid joe song called neighbor? maybe you don't want to meet them face to face.

    3. Re:great by glass_window · · Score: 1

      Yup, basically the next step towards Asimov's Solaria.

  5. What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If I wanted to interact with people that were geographically near me, I'd just hit the community center/park/mall. Sounds like just another way for people to stay shut up in their homes.

    1. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Not everyone has those things near them. I couldn't tell you where the nearest park is from here. I don't think there's one for several miles. Same with a mall. Same with a "community center" (whatever that is).

      I live in a very heavily populated area, but we just have apartment complexes springing up between all the houses that have been here for 50 years, lots of gas stations, lots of convenience stores and lots of grocery stores and a few grade schools.

      And sure, you could walk up and down the street, but there are no sidewalks, nobody spends time on their front porches (if they even have them) and you'd probably get hit by the oncoming traffic that is as bad as anything in california or new york.

    2. Re:What's the point? by eric_brissette · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because I know how often people go to the mall to meet people.. as opposed to shopping.

      The only people who socialize at the mall are 8-12 graders.

      It's easier to ask in chat if anyone is intereated in a specific topic, and then make arragements to meet face to face with a few people, rather to walk up to random people at the park and ask about their thoughts on the latest Gnome release.

    3. Re:What's the point? by kpost · · Score: 1

      Would you go to the community center/park/mall to randomly ask people who they would recommend as a plumber? I use local2me, a similar service, and it's been invaluable as a source of information about local businesses. I know of no other way to get such information. Sure, my direct acquantainces may have this information, but they usually don't. By using a neighborhood list, I'm able to get the feedback of a lot more people. -Kevin

  6. Dear MIT by Letter · · Score: 0, Funny
    Dear MIT,

    All I need to get to know my neighbors is my telescope and digital camera.

    -Letter

  7. duhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they live in your local neighborhood, is it really necessary to meet over the internet?

    1. Re:duhh by shokk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Probably. It seems a little weird to walk up to someone's house these days and say "hi, I'm so and so, can I come in?" In the old days community centers like churches and the market were used for that sort of thing. Maybe something like that is done at malls where geeks walk into gaming stores and chat it up about what they are buying. Or people in clothing stores, or something similar. Seems these days when you strike up a conversation like that you might be thinking inside "is this guy asking me about that so he can come to my house and steal my Xbox and all my games?" or "I hope I never run into you again!" =)

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    2. Re:duhh by surelars · · Score: 1

      Weird? Really? When I moved into the house I live in at the moment (a few years ago) neighbours would come up an introduce themselves ("Hi, I'm XX, I live XX. Welcome"). I do the same when new people move in a few houses down the street. Chat them up the street, asked them where they lived before, how they like the new house, offer help where needed, etc. I know - at least casually - all the people living in the same street as me. And, yes - I do live in a reasonably large city (~1.5M citizens).

  8. Member defined Neighbourhoods? by aussie_a · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How defined are the neighbourhoods? For instance in America you could probably have city-wide hoods and it have a decent member size. But in Australia lots of cities aren't going to have any members but 1 or 2 people. What do they do? Can they have a state-wide hood? If not it isn't going to be popular in places such as Perth (one of Australia's 8 largest cities).

    Can hoods be redefined? For instance you might have a state-wide hood, but then as it becomes popular in that state you might want to break it down into smaller hoods? Is that sort of flexibility allowed? If not I can't see this being popular.

    This idea relies upon it having lots of people to get lots of people. But that's the problem, how do you get lots of people in the first place? By making it so large hoods can be created that can later be broken down into smaller hoods. Otherwise I don't see this being popular at all.

    1. Re:Member defined Neighbourhoods? by xkenny13 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How defined are the neighbourhoods? For instance in America you could probably have city-wide hoods and it have a decent member size. But in Australia lots of cities aren't going to have any members but 1 or 2 people. What do they do? Can they have a state-wide hood?

      Like phone book, mapping and even dating websites, I imagine you could limit your search to a distance radius from where you are located.

      This idea relies upon it having lots of people to get lots of people. But that's the problem, how do you get lots of people in the first place?

      Oh yeah? I've a question about this chicken and this egg...

      Simple answer: If you build it, they will come.

      By making it so large hoods can be created that can later be broken down into smaller hoods. Otherwise I don't see this being popular at all.

      At a minimum, you are entering a zip code (this is a US Postal code). Anyone living in my zip code isn't going to be all that far away.

    2. Re:Member defined Neighbourhoods? by Datasage · · Score: 1
      This idea relies upon it having lots of people to get lots of people. But that's the problem, how do you get lots of people in the first place? By making it so large hoods can be created that can later be broken down into smaller hoods. Otherwise I don't see this being popular at all.


      It appears slashdot is helping with that, there is aready a large list of communities created on Sept 2.
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    3. Re:Member defined Neighbourhoods? by mnmn · · Score: 1

      Theres a better idea, dynamic-sized hoods, just like newsgroups.

      You start with entire countries, for example everyone in Latvia. As the population grows beyond 100 members, you split it into provinces, then cities, then boroughs etc.

      So People from Mongolia and Afghanistan would have enough members to talk to, while LA and California would be heavily divided where one room would consist of everyone in a certain building.

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    4. Re:Member defined Neighbourhoods? by SimplyCosmic · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I was wondering about the problem of neighborhood size myself.

      The "New Neighborhood Guidelines" list the following suggestions for any new neighborhood creation:
      • A real, geographic neighborhood.
      • Smaller than a city or town. Even a well-known name for a section of a city may be too large.
      • An area of fewer than 500 households, or a single apartment complex.

      The problem for me is that on most other sites that attempt to create a social network, be it Friendster, Livejournal, whatever, I've seen at most ten other people from the same 17,503 person, 6,933 household, 6.7 square miles of small-town suburbia.

      Now, this site would be great for larger cities where more people are packed closer to each other, but what about those of us who will be lucky to see just-barely double-digits online in our entire zip-code? Should we still be trying for a small-neighborhood area, or just move on to the larger city-scale?
    5. Re:Member defined Neighbourhoods? by randyest · · Score: 1

      Like phone book, mapping and even dating websites, I imagine you could limit your search to a distance radius from where you are located.

      And when you go and register, you will find that your imagination offers much, much more than reality in this case :)

      Oh yeah? I've a question about this chicken and this egg... Simple answer: If you build it, they will come.

      I built it (01760) -- when will they come? There's nobody even close as far as I can tell.

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    6. Re:Member defined Neighbourhoods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's limited to the USA, sort of, as it mentions zip codes. Possibly it enforces their being numeric too. If not, I don't see why it couldn't be international.

      Anyway, you can create multiple neighborhoods in a zip code (I just created a second neighborhood in San Francisco 94105 that's actually for Soma and not Rincon Hill), and when you enter your zipcode, you get a list of all the neighborhoods people have created for that zipcode ... and you can join any or all of them.

      It's a MIT research project, so it might go down if the project is cancelled, but it's not a commercial venture, so it doesn't have to worry about marketability.

    7. Re:Member defined Neighbourhoods? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone living in my zip code isn't going to be all that far away.

      In rural areas (in my case, rural Australia) that is not necessarily the case. My zip code (or postcode as we call them here) spans several hundred square kilometres.

    8. Re:Member defined Neighbourhoods? by surelars · · Score: 1
      Well, right now the thing is limited to USA and Canada (I just tried to register, it wouldn't let me).

      I don't see why it should be limited to USA and Canada, but at least they don't have to worry about how "community" is defined elsewhere.

      Interesting to see someone trying to apply the internet (inherently global) to a strict local use. I suspect it will fail with users, but it shall be interesting to follow.

  9. Communities on Orkut? by jgaynor · · Score: 4, Insightful


    How is this more than a zip-code structured Orkut community system? Besides pre-defining the communities before any participants arrive, it's really not.

    How CAN you improve on the orkut-style social networking system?

    1. Dont be so DAMN slow. Friendster, orkut, etc are all so slow at this point it's almost worthless. They all start off fast but load kills them.

    2. Create an easy 'port' system whereby you can just 'point' the new site at an existing profile to have the new profile auto-created and friends added automatically. Filling out 4 page profiles and spamming your friends multiple times a year = no fun.

    1. Re:Communities on Orkut? by Duncan3 · · Score: 1

      How is this more than a zip-code structured Orkut [orkut.com] community system?

      Oh! Oh! I know!

      Because his one isn't an exclusive gated community.

      Simple enough.

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    2. Re:Communities on Orkut? by randyest · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not more than a zip-code structured Orkut community system. Or at least not much more. Maybe less in some ways.

      I tried it. I even registered my "neighborhood" since none existed in my zip code (or presumably near, since none were offerered.)

      It's faster than orkut/friendster/etc. but no faster than these services were when they started (i.e, before they got slammed with more load than they anticipated or were prepared to pay for.) We'll see how snappy those pages are in a few months.

      The UI is pretty good and intuitive, but there are some annoyances. For example, when I registered I filled out some 12 fields of info including user name and submitted. Of course, my username was already in use, but rather than present the otherwise-ok-filled-in form and let me change the username, or offer similar alternatives, it made me go "back" in my browser and re-enter everything into the emptied fields. That happened twice (I saved the info the 2nd time in anticipation, but it's still unnecessarily unfriendly.)

      Now that I'm in I seem to have control over a bit more than the competition websites offer. I have a profile where I can "share info about [my]self", a directory of users (me), an event calendar (nothing happening), photo albums (all empty,) matches (others in my community, of which there are currently 0,) reviews (nada,) polls (I plan to create a poll to surrender my neighbors' land to me, vote alone, and win, bwahaha), see who's online now (and thus not initiate my plan to claim their land for my own, since they're probably home,) email everyone in my neighborhood in one fell swoop (local spammer heaven!) or arrange/join a carpool.

      All of which sounds really neat, if not entirely original and a bit milquetoast (hey -- no "C.A." a la craigslist?) Or at least it would be if there were anyone else registered in the area.

      Which brings me to my final question -- how much do these ads cost?

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    3. Re:Communities on Orkut? by British · · Score: 1

      1. There's basically nothing to do on Orkut.
      Still, with its invite-only system, it keeps out tons of people who otherwise might want to try it.

      2. THe message boards are completely dead. The only new threads I've seen lately are "brazil?", in communities that have nothing to with Brazil.

      3. There's no blogging functions. Sure, don't have to use it, but would be nice. Then I can use the blog functions to bitch about Brazilians invading Orkut.

      4. Brazilian invasion. Need I say more?

    4. Re:Communities on Orkut? by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      "How is this more than a zip-code structured Orkut community system?"

      Well, hopefully it will only work with US zip codes so the Brazillians won't be on it.

      For those of you about to mod me down, this is a joke. I was poking fun at the recent invasion of Portugese speakers.

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    5. Re:Communities on Orkut? by n3k5 · · Score: 1

      Because [t]his one isn't an exclusive gated community.
      Well, it is exclusively for US citizens and Canadians. In contrast to Orkut, where everyone can join. Yes, you have to get an invitation, but this was mainly to stir interest and at the same time not let hundreds of thousands of people overrun the site at the same time. It is very easy to get invited, as every user can invite arbitrarily many other people. This is very different from GMail, where every user can invite only one other user.

      Would any fellow hackers be interested in building a neighbour-finder that works worldwide, and with GPS precision instead of ZIP-code precision? (User's wouldn't need a GPS receiver, they'd just estimate their position with a map or something and the system would put these values, along with the street address, in a knowledge base, and learn and correct itself as it gets more data samples. Others couldn't query your address or your position, just how close they are to you, up to a precision that _you_ define.) Maybe as a P2P-system, maybe based on top of Jabber? You know, just ike Trepia, but with the big difference that it would work?

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    6. Re:Communities on Orkut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If pressing the back button on your browser clears the form, then you only have yourself to blame. Pressing back is never supposed to refresh content, or contact the server in any way, it supposed to show you exactly what was there before, including your form data. What browser are you using anyways, IE? If so, there's a setting in your properties that will make it stop deleting your form data for no reason.

    7. Re:Communities on Orkut? by RollingThunder · · Score: 1

      This is very different from GMail, where every user can invite only one other user.

      That's not what my account says...

      Maybe at the BEGINNING, yes. If you use them up, you get more, and larger chunks.

      I was last issued 6 at one shot.

    8. Re:Communities on Orkut? by clickety6 · · Score: 1


      3. Don't be elitist - "You can only enter the club if you're nominated by a current member" - might make you slow to expnad, but I want to join a community where I don't know everybody, and if I can't get in now, then I'll go somewhere I can get in and won't botehr coming back...

      4. Don't restrict your site to US/Canadian Zip codes only when there is no reason to make your community non-global...

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    9. Re:Communities on Orkut? by n3k5 · · Score: 1

      thanks a lot for that info! i didn't know about this, as i'm not a GMail user myself. have you got a spare invitation? :-)

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  10. Full circle by jjoyce · · Score: 2

    It's sort of like the joke about the totally immersive new video game called "Actual Reality." If you want to communicate with your neighbors and find out their interests, why not just ask them face to face?

    1. Re:Full circle by gelfling · · Score: 1

      computer science is no more about science than telescopes are to astronomy.

    2. Re:Full circle by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      If you want to communicate with your neighbors and find out their interests, why not just ask them face to face?

      Because their face is inside their house, probably near their computer?

      You act like this is anti-social, yet it's the exact opposite. The idea behind this kind of networking is to find people in your neighborhood that you can relate to and interact with in Actual Reality.

      But you propose I go around my neighborhood knocking on random doors to locate these people? Other than at neighborhood parties (which could be easily organized through a site like i-neighborhoods), how often are you really able to meet more than just your immediate next-door neighbors in a relaxed setting?

      Even that is hard enough. "Umm, Fido is shitting on my yard again, dude."

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    3. Re:Full circle by yasth · · Score: 1

      You're right *throws away pages of notes on Lukasiewicz logic, and other bits of useless stuff*

      Now that felt better. Seriously, I have IM'd people in the next room, because I was hoarse. I actually know some of my neighbors, but only the close ones (i.e. the old across, and to the sides) this is about larger groups where you aren't forced to come to an accord with them because of noise/lawn/trash stuff.

      All the being said, of course this doesn't have a chance.

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  11. Looks interesting, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in the middle of a big inner-city ghetto. I'd be surprised if there were people in a mile radius of me that owned computers in the first place, much less used them to access the Internet and converse without sounding like 12-year-old AIM kiddies.

    In short, I'd set up a neighborhood, but it'd likely just get used to organize crack deals if anybody joined at all.

    1. Re:Looks interesting, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I live in southeast portland Oregon (97236) and this is considered the "poor white trash" area of town. Lots of skanky barely-above-white-trash hos (as well as trash of every other nationality) with plenty of car theft, drugs, burglary and everything else. I can't stand this part of town and I most CERTAINLY do not want anything to do with people who live around here. Eew. I would prefer to associate with a higher class of people.

    2. Re:Looks interesting, but... by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      So what? Just register a neighborhood just around the corner from Paul Allen. Or slum a bit and register by Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Scott McNeally, or Larry.

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    3. Re:Looks interesting, but... by lune+tns · · Score: 1

      I live in an inner-city ghetto, also. I also doubt that many people around me have computers, and if they did get online, they would sound like 12-year old AIM kiddies. On the other hand - there are people like you, and I, that aren't visible in our neighborhoods. So maybe it would turn out you've got a potential friend hiding out in their apartment a block away, thinking the same cynical things you are.

    4. Re:Looks interesting, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, crack is so 1980s. Everyones into Meth and "E" now.

  12. More than a bit over-ambitious by iammaxus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As other posters pointed out, there are few neighborhoods registered so far. One of the reasons this is so is that i-neighbors has, in my opinion, a ridiculous policy for what a neighborhood is: "An area of fewer than 500 households, or a single apartment complex." If they get even 5% participation across the US, an incredible feat by website standards, they would have on the average, less than 25 households in a neighborhood. That's a pretty minimal selection of people. I don't see what the point of making neighborhoods so small is; I can easily get to at least 10,000 households by foot in my average, suburban town. If this think wants any chance of survival, they better change that rule.

    1. Re:More than a bit over-ambitious by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      If they get even 5% participation across the US, an incredible feat by website standards, they would have on the average, less than 25 households in a neighborhood. That's a pretty minimal selection of people.

      You're thinking "on average." I'm thinking, what if everyone in my neighborhood got on here and we could plan things, talk about problems in our area, etc?

      I don't see what the point of making neighborhoods so small is; I can easily get to at least 10,000 households by foot in my average, suburban town.

      This site isn't intended as a dating service, trying to hook you up with people you could physically get to... it's about bringing people who are in a literal neighborhood closer together. I don't know about you, but my neighborhood doesn't have anywhere near 10,000 homes.

      You must live in L.A. proper.

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    2. Re:More than a bit over-ambitious by randyest · · Score: 1

      I can easily get to at least 1% of 10,000 households by foot in my average, suburban town.

      If you go to anything close to 10k households in my average, suburban town and lurk about knowing no one, trying to meet new "friends" at their homes, you'll be explaining yourself to the local constabulary forthwith!

      And we like it that way!

      Or do we?

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    3. Re:More than a bit over-ambitious by iammaxus · · Score: 1

      I don't know what my neighborhood is. There is my town, which has maybe a little less than 10k households, but there are neighboring towns also. And yes, I think a lot of the point of making it a geographically local thing is so you can easily turn online relationships (I'm not just talking about dating) into "real" relationships.

    4. Re:More than a bit over-ambitious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here. There are over a million people in our city/metro-area. I live on a busy street that is basically a thoroughfare (though only three lanes) between downtown in one city, to another city. Across the street, there are a few houses, a couple apartment complexes (brand new) and a mobile home court. There's also a dentist, tax preparer and a dairy queen. On this side of the street are some houses, a body shop, a convenience store, several apartment complexes (new, some incomplete, some section-8 for poor people). My apartment faces a back-parking lot where you never see anything/anyone.

      I'm not sure if the "neighborhood" would consist of my entire street (and then for how many blocks?) Or would it consist of just my apartment complex (about 30 units)? OR.. what?

    5. Re:More than a bit over-ambitious by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      I don't know what my neighborhood is. There is my town, which has maybe a little less than 10k households, but there are neighboring towns also.

      Well, definition of neighbor is "a person, place, or thing adjacent to or located near another."

      So a traditional neighborhood would be, in my mind, the houses that are within a small radius of your house, maybe an eighth or a quarter mile in all directions.

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    6. Re:More than a bit over-ambitious by iammaxus · · Score: 1

      That's a bad definition. That would mean every single residence has its own neigborhood (imagine millions of circles, one centered on each house/apartement/etc).

    7. Re:More than a bit over-ambitious by j-beda · · Score: 1
      I think you are missing the point. This is meant to suppliment real neighbourhoods, not replace or emaulate them. If you only have 10 neighbours, then this system is supposed to enhance your interactions with those 10, rather than give you a new group of 10 people to interact with from the other side of town.

      You create a neighbourhood group on their system, say "ElmStreet", then you put up a few posters and/or phone and/or call your neighbours and let them know about it. Assuming that they sign up, now you can post the neighbourhood watch meeting schedule, and solicit ideas for the street-wide yard sale, and organize a letter writing campaign to the mayor about the sewer problem, and that sort of thing.

      Having a ready-build mail-list server, calendaring application, and similar might be very useful.

      Since the system is open fo anyone to self-join, it might not be such a good idea to tell everyone when you are going to be out of town since some "bad guy" might be reading the mailing list and steal all of your stuff, but in general it might be very useful to have an online neighbourhood community.

      They claim to do Canadian neighbourhoods, and seem to have registered "i-neighbours.org" as well as "i-neighbors.org", but they spell everything "bors" rather than "bours", even when in a clearly Canadian region...

  13. Actually, it's... by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Funny

    "I, for one, welcome our new neighborhood overlords!"

    1. Re:Actually, it's... by netsharc · · Score: 1

      So, is anyone from your neighborhood also a BDSM-fan?

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    2. Re:Actually, it's... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      I think there's a few, but it's mostly Linux and GPL types.

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  14. Not in US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In china. This kind of websites may have potentials. You know the reason :-)

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    1. Re:Not in US by randyest · · Score: 1

      I don't know the reason. What is it?

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    2. Re:Not in US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese are living in a more crowdy world(compared to US). People
      usually have more neighbors. Another reason
      is a lot of Chinese people are living in
      huge building in cities, but they don't know
      each other. If they have a online community
      like this, it is easier for them to communicate.

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  15. I have a better idea. by Viceice · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Having a web based service requires that people sign up. Most people would be reluctant to, maybe because of laziness, maybe because of indifference.

    If you want to get more people involved, how about getting community funded Internet? Start a community association, then raise funds to put in a reasonable pipe and a few 802.11g router/ APs and provide the service FOC to members of the community.

    The only cavet would be that all users will have to see a community page as home page on first load and the DHCP lease expires every 12 hours.

    That way the community is more involved, as it provides an incentive for members of the community to participate.

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    1. Re:I have a better idea. by doorbot.com · · Score: 1

      Actually if you setup/use/encourage rendevous-dependent services too, you could easily "find" and talk to new people in your neighborhood.

    2. Re:I have a better idea. by izakage · · Score: 0

      One thing first, it's internet in this case, not Internet. Now, have any of you slashdotters tried this? I've been thinking of trying to do something like this in my neighborhood with a few friends that live near me. I'm only what, 14 now, so the best I've been able to do is hang an extension USB cable out my window attached to one of those cheap USB 802.11b sticks. I sorta propped up a bowl, and stuck the wifi stick at the center of the bowl even with the opening, and hoped it'd help a little bit. We got a connection across the four yards seperating us, but it's a crappy one, and doesn't get too much speed. It's just a cheesy ad-hoc setup, which sucks, but has anyone else had any experiences like this? It would be pretty nice to have your entire neighborhood be a wifi hotspot. I wouldn't really mind hanging out in the front yard with my friends playing DOOM 3, it's be pretty nice, and I bet I'd meet some new people, even though I'm not _that_ interested in meeting people. If you've got any ideas of how to set something up like this, tell me, I'd love to know.

    3. Re:I have a better idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My god, this is either the best troll I've ever read, or absolutely pathetic.

      Props either way.

    4. Re:I have a better idea. by jleibovitz · · Score: 1

      On the local sharing of wi-fi you should check out radiuz.net.

    5. Re:I have a better idea. by siriuskase · · Score: 1

      Actually, I haven't. I have absolutely no use for a bunch of kids hanging out in my yard playing DOOM. It ruins the grass.

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  16. ouch... by kvn · · Score: 1, Funny

    can you say "I-slashdotted"?

  17. North America only by leandrod · · Score: 1

    It is only for English-speaking North American countries for now.

    Lack of time to expand, or just a revenge for Orkut?

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    1. Re:North America only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No, just your normal, everyday conspiracy.


    2. Re:North America only by Kris_J · · Score: 2, Informative

      How hard would it be to code for all countries? Five boxes: Country, state/region/prefecture, suburb/town/city, Zip/Postcode, Street name. Say hello to your neighbours.

    3. Re:North America only by leandrod · · Score: 1
      > How hard would it be to code for all countries? Five boxes: Country, state/region/prefecture, suburb/town/city, Zip/Postcode

      Yeah, but...

      ...then you loose all kinds of data entry integrity checks, like zip code format per country, lists of valid states, etc.

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    4. Re:North America only by Kris_J · · Score: 1

      If someone's too stupid to be able to spell their own address correctly, maybe I don't want to know them.

    5. Re:North America only by leandrod · · Score: 1
      > If someone's too stupid to be able to spell their own address correctly, maybe I don't want to know them.

      It's more complicated than that... we sysadmins and DBAs like to have consistent data. And ultimately, you want to avoid garbage in the database just to keep it reasonably useful with a high signal-to-noise ration.

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    6. Re:North America only by Kris_J · · Score: 1

      I'm a 'DBA' (roughly 4.5 years of database development across two jobs) and it really isn't that big a deal. Sure, it's nice if staff spell the same street the same way, and know where the suburb boundaries are, but it isn't fatal if things aren't perfect -- because no matter how hard you try they never will be, and every time you try and enforce some sort of structure someone will find a legitimate peice of data that doesn't fit.

    7. Re:North America only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is only for English-speaking North American countries for now.


      I guess everyone else just isn't in the neighborbood...
  18. alpha software - don't waste your time by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just spent *my time* enterting data for my neighborhood only to be confronted with error messages.

    Even though it told me there was an "error" on the creation of my village, it was created anyway, however I am not recognized as the founder.

    Upon attempting to join my neighborhood I was then confronted with more error messages.

    Please - don't waste your time like I did. This is alpha software, and that needs to be noted conspicuously.

    This level of unprofessionalism is unacceptable.

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    1. Re:alpha software - don't waste your time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Odd. Mine worked fine. I played all over and was impressed with what I saw. What neighborhood did you create?

    2. Re:alpha software - don't waste your time by Peyna · · Score: 1

      Or they are being slashdotted and the intense server load is causing timeouts which could easily result in the problems you described.

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    3. Re:alpha software - don't waste your time by The_Unforgiven · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, for what it's worth, I created both a username and neighborhood, and never saw an error (other than my username was too short - 4 characters).

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    4. Re:alpha software - don't waste your time by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Funny

      This level of unprofessionalism is unacceptable.

      I agree.

      But then again I'm referring to your comment on slashdot.

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    5. Re:alpha software - don't waste your time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > This level of unprofessionalism is unacceptable.

      It's not a commercial site. Here's your money back anyway.

    6. Re:alpha software - don't waste your time by randyest · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fine? Try these:

      Select a calendar week view.

      You get: Parse error: parse error, unexpected T_STRING in F:\ineighbors\calendar\weekview.php on line 6

      "F:" -- running on IIS. That explains a lot.

      Click a date to add an event.

      You've clicked the date you want already -- but what's that? Add an event gives you some lovely drop-downs without defaulting to the day you clicked: Date: [Month] [Day]

      Sign up for an account. Fill in all the form fields. Choose username "randy". Submit. Aren't you thrilled that you get to go "back" in "your browser" to an empty set of fields and fill them in all over again while you guess another, probably used, name? Want suggested available similar names? Not here. Sorry.

      I could go on. Seriously. But the point is the grandparent is right -- this is sloppy code and a painful user interface. It fail's to deliver what most orkut/friendster users would consider the minimum functionality.

      Which means it will be wildly successful ;)

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  19. Gainesville Fl. Slashdot Meetup. by Chatmag · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I thought Slashdot Meetup was already doing basically the same thing.

    How about more people around Gainesville/North Florida sign up so we can get together.

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    1. Re:Gainesville Fl. Slashdot Meetup. by bizpile · · Score: 1

      I live in Gville/go to UF. What do you want to do?

    2. Re:Gainesville Fl. Slashdot Meetup. by Chatmag · · Score: 1

      Right now, I'd like to head north :) There's only a few /.'ers here, and the regular meetup has been cancelled because of too few people. Maybe after the storm, we can have some kind of regional meeting with the people from around Jax or Ocala all getting together.

      --
      Pete Carr Owner Chatmag.com
  20. Why limit "neighborhood" to a geographic area by gorbachev · · Score: 1

    The site/service/whatnot could just as well defined the "neighborhood" to any interest, event or location, and the site would've been exponentially more interesting.

    Combine that with the ability to form sub-communities and you could get the real interesting stuff like:

    "started MIT 1980, born in Brooklyn, NY and likes to paint abstract paintings"

    That's just an example, the sub-community could be anything really.

    --
    In Soviet Russia, I ruled you
    1. Re:Why limit "neighborhood" to a geographic area by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      I imagine it's limited to geographical areas because most websites don't do it (some do, not all). If you just have hoods made by depending on interests it's just like having a whole bunch of web-boards in 1. It's purpose is to encourage in-person interaction, that wouldn't be achieved if it didn't take geographical areas into account. Now setting it up so it's a geographical area PLUS interests would further it's cause to initiate in person interaction. However it might not want to be too popular or else it may substitute in-person interaction ;)

  21. Meeting neighbors isn't easy by akratic · · Score: 1

    I live in an apartment building with about twenty residents. I feel guilty that I don't know my neigbhors (I don't even know their names). But I feel it would be an intrusion to knock on doors and introduce myself.

    Miss Manners has a good idea about how to introduce yourself to people in a large apartment building, but my building is too small for this to work. (The relevant letter is the second one in this column. It's possibly the best two-word reply ever written by an advice columnist.)

    Could i-neighbors help break the ice in my building? Maybe a flyer posted by the mailboxes would do the trick. But it could just as easily be an invitation to a Labor Day party, instead of an invitation to join a website.

    1. Re:Meeting neighbors isn't easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in a cheap apartment (just under $600/mo for a single bedroom) because I like spending my money on other things, like toys and fun stuff. However, everyone else in this complex seems to have kids and be fairly hard-up for cash. Yet ALL of them drive untarnished new-ish cars. Many driving sports cars, BMWs and expensive Dodge trucks that take a full salary just to gas-up. I probably make triple the salary of any person in this complex at a *minimum*. And clearly they manage money poorly since they're buying shitty cars beyond their financial status. Not to mention all the fucking hip-hop they listen to that shakes my windows. Or, worse, the country.

      Of course, those are the english speaking people. The rest are all spanish, asian or romanian and are impossible to talk to since I don't speak ten languages. And most of them are only very active in their own nationality - they don't befriend each other (you won't see a romanian family hanging out with the mexican families).

      So like... I have nothing in common with any of the losers in my neighborhood. When I'm done saving up enough money to buy a $400k house outright, I'mg etting the hell out.

  22. Re:Excellent idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I assume that somebody with your fine character is at the Republican Convention this week. So you should be out of commision anyways.

  23. Why is a complete registration required? by stephanruby · · Score: 1

    If it's by neighborhood -- Why is a complete registration required? Craigslist also does it by geographical location, but it does NOT require a registration before it lets you see anything. In fact, I can already find 5 badminton partners within a short driving distance.

    1. Re:Why is a complete registration required? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Mr. Taco, Please make me a preference option to hide headlines with articles that require registration.

      Please learn to use BugMeNot.

      Signed,

      The Taco

    2. Re:Why is a complete registration required? by shadow303 · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't matter if a preference option was added to hide registration-required articles, since the preferences have been broken for weeks (or at least they are for my account).

      --
      I've got a mind like a steel trap - it's got an animal's foot stuck in it.
    3. Re:Why is a complete registration required? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have. I even have the plugin. It's too bad the passwords provided don't work half the time.

  24. Wanna network? Have kids.. by Stone316 · · Score: 1
    Seriously.... We moved to a new city 7 years ago and we new a few people who moved here from our hometown and university. But most weekends we just rented movies and stayed at home cause we didn't really know anyone.

    That is, until our daugther started school last september.. she would be invited to birthday parties or play dates and one of us would stay, hit it off with her friend's parents. It would steamroll from there. There hasn't been a weekend in ages that we have stayed home alone.

    --
    "Thanks to the remote control I have the attention span of a gerbil."
  25. Stooooopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neighbor: Hi neighbor, can I borrow a cup of sugar?
    Me: How about a nice cup of shut-the-fuck-up?
    Neighbor: :(

    Just what what I always wanted, a bunch of stupid neighbors that don't know shit ahout computers, they would probably bug me to come over and reinstall windows 98 on the their pentium 75 :P

    Even worse, if they used your network to access the internet, they might be tempted to get rid of their internet and leech off yours. I'm not gonna pay for someone elses internet access. Knowing my luck...I'd talk to some chick and I would feel sorry for her...and let her use my bandwith and then come to find out its a dude. Or even worse a married chick with a slob of a husband who sucks up my bandwith at night watching porn.

  26. Insufficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bah. Even for their home zip code (02139) they failed to make MIT a neighborhood, despite the fact that it covers most of the zip code area!

  27. Interesting by mnmn · · Score: 1

    This is the first time I've gotten interested in social networks. I've been offered gmail accounts by several friends, but this is different. You can relate that to real-life people around you, and you can make friends where it matters: next door.

    Also the potential for kidnappers and child molesters increases with this service, so the rules of Internet safety still applies. Beyond the 'general neighborhood', or say upto 2 blocks away, no other information about the person should be shared IMHO.

    I'd be interested in everyone next door, in my building etc. For example there are other geeks, and classical-music players/listeners in my building, just cant find them, or a good time to start a conversation.

    --
    "Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
  28. 3 gmail accounts! by osrevad · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    The first 3 replyers get them. (/off topic)

    1. Re:3 gmail accounts! by peacedude · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      please

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      peace
    2. Re:3 gmail accounts! by derago · · Score: 0

      man, ill starve without one.... so please spare a gmail....

    3. Re:3 gmail accounts! by borg_cube · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      please zack_hutzell@hotmail.com

    4. Re:3 gmail accounts! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ME ME!!! Meee!

  29. I like to smoke pot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will it find other people like this in my neighborhood?

  30. What happened to the E-everything? by beaviz · · Score: 3, Funny

    iThink i have Inough Idiocity from my I-neighbor with my iMac and iPod downloading from my I-neighbor's Insecure iPass AP.

  31. But I hate my neighbours... by nmoog · · Score: 1

    Thats why Im on the computer, finding like minded people around the world. If my hobbies change to domestic violence and drug dealing then I'll go hang out with my neighbours.

    1. Re:But I hate my neighbours... by david614 · · Score: 1

      Well said!

      --
      ELITISM: It's always lonely at the top. Uninvited company is rarely welcome.
  32. The poor guy uses a Windows server! by ortholattice · · Score: 1
    ...1. Dont be so DAMN slow...

    Here's what I got when selecting my state on i-neighbors.org:

    Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in F:\ineighbors\inc\e_table.inc on line 194

    He needs some help.

  33. Granularity problems in Canada by Arrgh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They subdivide Canada into provinces and then FSAs (Forward Sortation Areas, otherwise known as the first three characters of your postal code) before letting you drill down to the neighbourhood level. Unfortunately, this particular way they've chosen to break down the geographic hierarchy is oversimplified and basically unworkable, at least for Canada.

    My neighbourhood (Mount Pleasant, in the East Side of Vancouver, BC) doesn't follow neat FSA boundaries. The hierarchy should be a little fuzzier, like Country -> State/Prov -> Region -> City -> Neighbourhood, and the "city" part should probably be optional, because there are neighbourhoods that cross civic boundaries. My friend who lives four blocks east and ten blocks south is most definitely in the same neighbourhood, but he lives in a different FSA.

    1. Re:Granularity problems in Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Oh hell.... I live in Mount Pleasant as well....

      But this is as close as I want to get!

  34. moving up the rankings. by lamery · · Score: 0

    i-neighbors.org/canada.php?rank=state

  35. They are user defined by acomj · · Score: 1

    I live in a City. In my zip there are 3 distinct areas, each had a neigborhood defined. Around the park, at this triangle etc..
    Of course living in cambridge MA, those regions were already in the computer.

    How the system reacts to sparsly populated suburbs remains to be seen.

    For each zip you can have multiple areas. I'm not sure if they divide.

  36. Beverly Hills? by Yojimbo-San · · Score: 1

    No neighborhoods have yet been registered for this
    Zip Code - 90210


    The temptation ... :-)
    --
    Quick wafting zephyrs vex bold Jim
    1. Re:Beverly Hills? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check again!

      Some members of the gang are back. I saw Dylan!

  37. Small world... by Henry+Stern · · Score: 1

    I can see the submitter's apartment building from my front window but I have no idea who they are. Not that any Slashdot reader could ever be accused of seldom going outside to meet one's neighbours...

    P.S. I don't play badminton, but I do play squash.

  38. the facebook by ff3j · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a similar site called The Facebook for universities. You can only join if you actually go to one of the listed universities (they have alot). Since universities are basically like huge communities, it's basically the same idea. It's really quite useful, because you can see people that are in your classes, live in your residence hall, etc. It also has a quite extensive search function. So, for example, you could search for "freshman" "females" living in "yourdorm" whose interests include "heavy drinking" and "casual sex". Quiiiite useful... =)

  39. A couple ways by FanaticalDesperado · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here are a couple of ways that I have used to meet my neighbors in the past.

    1) When you see someone new moving in, ask if they need help. If they do need help, then you've made a new friend. If they don't need help, introduce yourself anyway. Just say something like "Well, my name is xxxx and I live in apartment number yyyy. If there is anything you need, just come and ask." Your neighbor feels welcomed and you don't actually have to carry any boxes. I have offered this service quite a few times and have never had anyone say that they needed help moving stuff. But, I have made several friends this way.

    2) Invite some of your friends over to play board games or watch a football game. Make/order some food and pick up some beer. When you see your neighbors a couple days before your party, introduce yourself. Say "Hi, we've never been formally introduced. I'm xxxx and I live in apartment number yyyy. I'm having some friends over tomorrow for some board games. Maybe you and your husband/wife would like to stop by."

    3) This one may not work for a lot of you, due to a lack of hurricanes in most places. During hurricane Charlie I met some of my neighbors because we were all sitting out on the front porch, getting drunk, and watching the storm.

    Could i-neighbors help break the ice in my building?

    In your situation, I would skip i-neighbors and go straight to an invitation to a party. If you are planning on having a labor day party with your friends, it won't cost you anything to invite your neghbors. I wouldn't plan on it wth just your neighbors though. People often have plans for holiday weekends and won't be able to go.

    The bottom line is that you often have to make the first step. If you've never been the person to break the ice, then it can be a little intimidating. You just have to bite the bullet and do it.

    1. Re:A couple ways by electroniceric · · Score: 1

      Good points about breaking the ice. Actually, I think that having a website of some sort where you can sort of get acquainted with people before having to cast around for something to say in person is a great intermediate step. I certainly hope the site works.

    2. Re:A couple ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These don't really work if you live in an apartment. Having lived in this same apartment for five years, I've never seen a neighbor move in. I think the apartment on the other side of my living room wall has had three or even four tennants in the last five years. Short of leaving your front door open 24x7, you'd never really know that someone is moving in. The only way I've ever known that I had knew neighbors was by bumping into them once or twice on the stairway and noticing that they didn't seem to be the people that were there before. I tried offering a hand-truck/dolly to them the one time I actually caught a neighbor moving in but since they were russian/romanian, they didn't understand my english and thought I was ASKING TO USE THEIRS. I just shut my door and never saw them around again.

      As for the second point - in apartments, you have to be careful about inviting people over. You are usually not allowed to have people park in the apartment complex parking lot (and do you want to be responsible for all of your friends being towed and having to pay $500 each to have their cars released from the impound lot?). And then you have to worry about the noise. I've gotten in trouble for having a normal-speaking-voice conversation with my brother while playing Quake in my fourth-floor apartment with the window open in the summer. Also, it's hard to invite neighbors that you've never met. There are about 60 apartments in my complex, but I've only seen people from my own building (about 12 apartments) a couple times in the last year and I could only match a face to an apartment in one case (if that).

      As for the third point - not everyone has a front porch. Not everyone hangs out on their front lawn. Most people don't even give another human being a second glance, much less tolerate being stopped on their way to or from somewhere. And anyway, since most people are never outside on foot, what are you going to do? Throw a rock at their car as they pass and hope they get out so you can say hi?

      Honestly, just because someone lives close to you doesn't mean they're worth knowing. And these days, the turnover rate in any given neighborhood is so high that it's not worth wasting your time getting to know anyone.

  40. the user agreement - whose interests? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read the terms of service/user agreement. it's overwhelming.

    certainly, i'll gladly indemnify everyone at your university and company.

    i'll indemnify everyone in my neighborhood.

    what a way to collect information stasi-style.

  41. Frankly... by docbombay · · Score: 1

    If I wanted to meet people in my neighborhood, I wouldn't be on the Internet all the time.

  42. Power: Scary by fm6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I seem to be the first person to join I-Neighbors from this neighborhood. As such, I'm the "founder": my description of the neighborhood and its boundaries is official, and changes can't be made without my permission. What if I go mad with power?

  43. Not as good as my old network by blackpaw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Where I just leaned over my fence and said "Hi" to my neighbours.

    Maybe I should patent that ....

  44. The Sims Gone Horribly Wrong by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

    So we're creating a virtual neighborhood of... A real neighborhood? Forgive me, but there is just something perversely wrong with this. If you don't want or like to interact with your neighbors IRL, why in the world would you do want to do it over the net?!?? What could the internet possibly add here worthy of i-neighbors existance???? Freakin bake some brownies, ring the doorbell and shoot the shit for a while. Having a few real beers with a live person is better than putting a 10x10 pixel picture of one at the end of a witty sentance. -_-'

    But I've got a great alternative for neightbors to keep in touch virtually. It's called EMAIL. Or use an IM if you want to be picky about it.

    --
    You need a FREE iPod Nano
    1. Re:The Sims Gone Horribly Wrong by ylikone · · Score: 1

      Well, if you had a look at the site, you'd realize that it lets the neighborhood plan events via a shared calendar, rate local services and businesses, plan car pooling, put up polls about neighborhood issues and search for others with same interests. I really think all this would be unreasonable with any other medium, an internet website is the ideal solution. Doesn't seem horribly wrong to me at all!

      --
      Meh.
    2. Re:The Sims Gone Horribly Wrong by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

      ... but people... in person... my neighborhood is being regulated to an outlook calander spreadsheet thingy!

      --
      You need a FREE iPod Nano
    3. Re:The Sims Gone Horribly Wrong by rfc1394 · · Score: 1
      If you don't want or like to interact with your neighbors IRL, why in the world would you do want to do it over the net?!??
      Your argument presumes we can find neighbors around us or that we have no interest in them. A lot of people work long hours at work, then come home and do not know people around them. Or they are busy with their own lives and don't have the kind of time it would take to get to know people around them.
      What could the internet possibly add here worthy of i-neighbors existance????
      Being able to find other people based on a shared interest who were able to find the same site. We could squeeze 5 minutes to visit a web site and look around a few times a day. Raising a solid 1/2 hour to visit some local social gathering might not be possible for the time-starved people in most metropolitan areas, presuming you can find parking for a couple hundred people all at the same place. Or even twenty people (you ever seen how hard it is to find a place to park in most metropolitan areas and how terrible public transportation availability often is>)
      Freakin bake some brownies, ring the doorbell and shoot the shit for a while
      Going up and ringing the doorbell works fine when you knew or could get to know your neighbors and only had one or two in the area, and when you have the time to do that. That's a little bit hard to do when, if I draw a circle of, say, 300 meters around my place and there are 500 people living within that circle, it makes it a bit difficult. It also makes it hard when a lot of people are working 12-hour days. And you have to be picking the right sort of person to go visit; I don't think a neigbor down the street would consider it appropriate for me to come by to visit with his wife!

      This at least provides some way for people to locate others who might have common interests and can then arrange possibly to have some sort of meeting - real or on-line - once they have found each other.

      --
      The lessons of history teach us - if they teach us anything - that nobody learns the lessons that history teaches us.
  45. it Works for Canada, finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YES, it works for CANADA too, don't be shy.

  46. Don't know about badminton in your area... by genixia · · Score: 1

    but you could try asking in the 'Canada East' subforum of the 'Places to Play' forum over at www.badmintoncentral.com

  47. Hosted on a windows box? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Got this error:

    Warning: mkdir(Archives/RiverdaleM4K): File exists in F:\ineighbors\listnew.php on line 70
    There was an error processing your neighborhood.

  48. disruptive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I think this could be disruptive technology

    Disruptive to what?

  49. The point is... by Kevin108 · · Score: 0

    To prove you're the smartest person in your area code. Since no neighborhoods are listed in mine, that must mean I'm one of the only people who reads /. to come across the site in the first place.

    --

    It's a perfect time for being wasted.
    A perfect time to watch the stars.
    - Burden Brothers, "Beautiful Night"
  50. Geography-based social networking needs a hook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this is a fine idea, but it has some problems that the other stsrems don't. Primarily it needs a significantly larger base before it gets interesting at all. The average user won't log on and create a neighborhood for just himself; but would be fairly likely to stick around if something was already happening. In order to get this larger group of people interested, or to get them to stick around long enough for the next person to show up, there needs to be something more to it. I own a computer gaming center, and find that it is a great social networking tool. Everyone comes in for the games, but very quickly it turns and becomes about the people. Friendships are made, and networks are grown and strengthened accross groups that would ordinarily never meet. And let's be honest, the geek crowd isn't the most social. http://www.tweakt.com/

  51. Top-down Ideas & your hollowed-out community by Cryofan · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    There is a BIG problem with the way your little world is so different from that of your ancestors (and that applies to me, for that matter).

    Now, that we Americans have been atomized, our community has been hollowed out, and now where do the ideas that get into our heads come from? From the Teevee, my friend (of course, I speak here of MOST Americans, not us Net Geeks, who spend so much time online; and of course a lot of people talk on the phone to friends). But in any event, so many Americans gets their ideas from the teevee. But what is the problem there? Well, the ideas that come out of your tv are filtered, filtered to be acceptable to the bosses that run it and the wealthy CEOs who run the corporations that own tv stations and networks and the wealthy investors who own most corporations that advertise on them.

    And those ideas coming out of the tv to nest in our brains are not necessarily good for the well being of the average American. THese ideas have transformed America over the last few decades, and have moved America in a decidedly conservative direction. THis ideas come from the top, down to you, through your tv. But your ancestors, even your grandparents, had a community filled with people much like themselves, who had financial interests in common with them. You and I have little in common with the rich executives and investors who control what ideas get on tv.

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    eat shiat and bark at the moon
  52. Terrible idea, and here's why.. by Dr_LHA · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the best things about the internet is that you can pretty much guarantee that the weird fucks that talk to you on it don't live anywhere near you, so you'll never have to be stalked by them in real life.

  53. Face Book is same for schools by datawar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Face Book is a social network for people in the same college or university. You can fill out classes you're taking, and then see all the people who are also taking it, as well as fill out where you live, etc. Very popular with a lot of the schools that it supports (listing is on the home page).

  54. Or LiveJournal and C-Squares by xixax · · Score: 1

    LiveJournal has turned out to be a really interesting online community, and it appears to have scaled up quite well too. A neighbourhood would be easy to add as an "interest".

    Geocoding data is easy, searching on geocoding is also easy. Getting that integreated into tools that have been set up to do text is a bit more difficult. How do you let people freely define geometries, yet still have some way of searching and retrieving via text? C-Squares sounds cool, as it seems to give enough detail for most purposes, but as it's got a pretty distinct namespace, they use Google to do their search and retrieval:
    C-Squares

    Get calendars in there too (as a 4th dimension) ("show me people with an interest, in a place, at a time"), and the picture gets even more crazy. "Notify me when Bon Jovi is in my city".

    Xix.

    --
    "Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
  55. Small World by [ella] · · Score: 0

    Apparantly,

    and saying that they went over the trouble of registering a .org !

    --
    Mike
  56. The dreaded drop-in? by ashot · · Score: 1

    God forbid we live in a society so open and unregulated that our friends could make unscheduled and unapproved visits. I'm going to venture out and say this probably isn't a problem for you in the first place.

    --
    -ashot
    1. Re:The dreaded drop-in? by randyest · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and god forbid my wife and I have a little privacy, or a quiet dinner without guests.

      Our friends call first. You should too.

      Sounds like it's not a problem for you, really, or you'd know how it feels when you've had too many friends and guests "drop-in" and be able to empathize a bit.

      Good luck with that; hang in there ;)

      --
      everything in moderation
  57. AKA by _ph1ux_ · · Score: 2, Funny

    Otherwise known as the "National Sex Offenders Registry"

  58. Nice marketting - stick 'I' in front of it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I-Mac, I-Pod, I-this, I-that, and now I-Neighbours?

    Why don't these fools who want my money, they can suck my I-@#$@!

  59. Give it a chance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently a family of trolls lives in my neighborhood.

    Thanks to i-neighborhood I now know to avoid them.

  60. So it's like... by 216pi · · Score: 1
    plazes.com?

    From their website:
    Plazes is the first global location-aware interaction and geo-information system, connecting you with the people and Plazes in your area and all over the world. It is the navigation system for your social life.
  61. Been there done that by littlewild · · Score: 1

    It might be new to some of the slashdotters but Singapore (a puny country in Asia) has already got its own website like i-neighbour. See http://www.wholivesnearyou.com It is really quite useful if you happen to live in a country that has one of the highest population density in the world.

  62. been there done that... by darrellberry · · Score: 1

    the uk has had upmystreet.com for years, whcih does the same thing. pretty cool and they've managed to hang a business model on it based around (mostly) local estate agents and service...

  63. Stooooopid indeed by Moraelin · · Score: 1

    " Who cares why you would or would not want to do it... many people will."

    Oh, I'm _sure_ many people will. (I'll get to that later.) And many people will get disappointed, just like with all the other services.

    Here's some free clue: friendship is more than two people knowing each other. For example at least having any common topic to discuss is pretty much a requirement.

    That's why stuff like IRC or message boards work (somewhat): they come sorted by topics, not by irrelevant idiocies like ZIP codes or "who knows whom". If you want to talk about, say, cats, you can drop into a channel about cats and chances are most people there will also have some interest in that topic. You already have a common topic, and you know what that topic is.

    Merely being "connected" to someone by some arbitrary criteria, whether it's ZIP code or by 6 degrees of separation, does not a friend make. It still makes just two strangers who don't really give a damn about each other. The same as if you just stopped and talked to a random neighbour without some idiotic online service.

    But ah, you don't know how to start talking to that neighbour in the first place, right? (Or after that how to stop him from yawning and making a quick excuse.)

    Which brings us to who those many people will be:

    Anyone who was extroverted enough to just naturally hit it off with perfect strangers, is already out there chatting and making friends. They never needed an online service for that, and they still don't. So you won't find them on such crap sites, or not for long. (And they'd look for other extroverted people, not for the geeky guy who can't string more than two words together.)

    So who joins this crap? The losers. The ones who can't actually go and make friends, but still live in some sad fantasy world where they're really the life of the party and they'd be up to their ears in friends if anyone only introduced them. Unlike last time they got introduced to someone IRL, and it still led nowhere. But you just wait and see. This online thing will surely be the magic bullet.

    The same ones who clogged the other such services, got disappointed, and went looking for the 20'th such promised land where surely they'll be popular. Except they still won't, and it still won't work. Because they just don't have the personality type for that.

    Just as with everything else, there is no magic bullet. There never was, there never will be. Wake up. Friendship isn't something you can win at an online lottery.

    (And no, I'm _not_ calling every introvert a loser. I'm fairly introverted myself.

    I'm just calling anyone who can't cope with reality a loser. If you want friends, go talk to people. That's the only way that works. It's that simple.

    All the other fantasies and pipe dreams stay just that. The whiny angsty duckling doesn't grow up into a swan, it just grows into a lonely and bitter duck.

    Or stay introverted, but accept the reality that you're _not_ going to be the life of the party. Don't build stupid fantasies and go buying _false_ hope online.)

    --
    A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
    1. Re:Stooooopid indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      somebody is bitter, me I started meeting women through a dateing agency (I was too nervous to try the old fashioned way) and became an extrovert capable of walking up and making friends easily, so maybe it is you who should give these things a try?
      Just practicing with these women made me capable of dealing with normal people in a normal situation.

    2. Re:Stooooopid indeed by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      1. You actually did something, and actually the right thing. That's the only way: you either want to talk to people, or you don't. If you do, then fscking go talk to someone already. You did. Good.

      The one category that's starting to get on my nerves though, is the kind that gives even the rest of us nerds a bad name. The kind which would like to be an extrovert, but won't actually go and talk to someone then. Just makes a whiny angsty self-pity soap opera out of it.

      And I think these are the bulk of any such service selling a false illusion.

      2. You also approached the problem from the sane end. You wanted to talk to women, you went to a dating agency. Seems like sound logic to me.

      It's not even the only way to approach it in a manageable way. E.g., to someone who wants to talk about their interests, the local LUG/JUG/wargaming group/whatever is another way to meet someone with similar interests.

      It's all stuff that's been around for quite a while before these "friends networks" too. Anyone who actually wanted to do something about making friends, could already do so. So again, since you did, I'd say you're the perfect example of someone who did _not_ need these "friend network" scams.

      These aren't really for meeting people or making friends, they're for giving idiots an illusion. Letting people pretend that they have 200 friends via 6 degrees of association or via ZIP proximity or whatever other idiotic criterion. Except in practice it's just a group of perfect strangers, picked by irrelevant criteria.

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  64. A few sites like this in UK by MarkH · · Score: 1

    http://www.upmystreet.com/overview/?l1=N4+1SB#CnvL ink - Links up conversations/messages by Postcode ( UK equiv of Zip Codes but smaller area )

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/ican - for folk to organise campaigns one factor is locality

  65. This would be much easier in the UK by Illserve · · Score: 1

    And yet such services are rarely available.

    The Postcode system here narrows you down to a few hundred feet, and it does so with math, rather than arbitrarily drawn boundaries.

    This implementation would be completely trivial here, but was probably a pain in the ass in the US.

  66. It's got some major, major bugs by rfc1394 · · Score: 1
    First, it told me my e-mail address was invalid. I may have typed that in wrong, but I see other problems. It has a space for nearby neighborhoods but no way to declare them. It has me signed up to a neighborhood I never picked 3000 miles away from me, that I can't get rid of. If I try to subscribe to that neighborhood so it will allow me to leave it, it says I'm already subscribed but doesn't provide an unsubscribe link but it does for all others. Difficult navigation between areas. Has place for picture of neighborhood but no apparent way to upload it (uploading of one's own picture works okay).

    After I've used it more than 10 minutes I will probably discover more things, but that's all for the moment.

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  67. It is broken by rfc1394 · · Score: 1
    The UI is pretty good and intuitive, but there are some annoyances. For example, when I registered I filled out some 12 fields of info including user name and submitted. Of course, my username was already in use, but rather than present the otherwise-ok-filled-in form and let me change the username, or offer similar alternatives, it made me go "back" in my browser and re-enter everything into the emptied fields. That happened twice (I saved the info the 2nd time in anticipation, but it's still unnecessarily unfriendly.)
    Fields only become empty because the website emptied them either by design or incompetence. Any site that damages or erases filled in fields when it does not accept the data is broken, no exceptions.

    This place needed a lot more work and a lot more testing before it was released to the public. (Unless they released it to the hordes at Slashdot as a way of (extreme load) testing!) But they should indicate it's got (serious) bugs and is still being worked on (along with a good way to report them as they are found). It's got lots of things that need to be fixed before it's even close to the kind of quality we should expect for a site to visit for that kind of purpose.

    All of which sounds really neat, if not entirely original and a bit milquetoast (hey -- no "C.A." a la craigslist?) Or at least it would be if there were anyone else registered in the area.
    They probably do not know what they are doing (this is not a criticism, often you start one of these things and learn what it should morph into over time) and are new at this. Also the site is new, and hasn't had much exposure so it hasn't had much opportunity to develop an audience. Some of these large portals have had many years to define their focus and obtain their audience. But if they are going to put up an alpha-software based site in order to discover what needs to be fixed, they should indicate this and let people know how to report problems.
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  68. Re:Stooooopid - Not necessarliy. by eric_brissette · · Score: 1

    I guess it all depends on where you live. I live in a rural town of about 10,000. Most people say "hello" or "good morning" to you as you pass them on the sidewalk. I can't say I've known all of my neighbors well, but I have at least spoken with them enough to know a bit about who they are. Visiting larger cities like Boston or New York makes me feel weird. Nobody looks you in the eye, and everyone seems constantly pissed off, almost like everyone is scared of everyone else... yet this all seems perfectly normal to them. Personally, all of my friends have been people I've associated with daily. When I was in school, my friends were classmates. Now most of my friends are co-workers, and the few people I knew from school who I still keep in touch with. Chances are good that there are people in your neighborhood that share your interestes or are at least compatable at the personality level who you wouldn't normally interact with on a daily basis.

  69. stupid idea by nomadx · · Score: 1

    wouldn't it be easier to just go outside?

  70. What about offline? by 955301 · · Score: 1

    I like the idea but feel like this type of collaboration has the most potential for kids in the neighborhoods, not the adults. It might be a way to engage them in the computer instead of the playstation.

    Having said that, this type of thing doesn't need to be on the Net. Why put a neighborhood network on a global system? Why not set up a mesh network in the neighborhood and host it there? That way the kids can actually use it since it isn't hooked to the net and it would be more difficult for a pervert to case the neighborhood using the network. i.e., more strict access control and censorship by moderation have their place.

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  71. HARLEM has a Chess Center, Rice High FIRST team by leftie · · Score: 1

    On 118th St. and Manhattan Avenue in the recently built P.A.L. (Police Athletic League) community center, you can find the first Black Chess Grand Master in history. Maurice Ashley, 33, is in charge of the chess center at the P.A.L., he is currently trying to bring chess to the Harlem community. I went by the other day to find out what the deal was with chess and why should it be in the Harlem community. Melvin Johnson: Mr. Ashley,what encouraged you to teach chess in this newly built community center in Harlem ? Maurice Ashley: I've been teaching and coaching chess in Harlem for years now, since 1989 as a matter of fact. Before I became a Grand Master I really had the hope to spread chess to the youth of Harlem as a start, and then in our communities around the country. Chess is not really popular in our neighborhoods. I really want kids tuned into chess and playing. MJ: So when did you become a Grand Master? MA: Officially I became Grand Master in October of this year. MJ: What was the competition like? Who did you play against ? MA: When you play Chess its an international sport, so you have to play people all over the world . From Bermuda, Russia, Romania, England, France. I mean I had to play everybody, I traveled all around the world, because that's my profession..." http://www.harlemlive.org/community/orgs/chess/ Columbia's Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science hosted New York City's first-ever high school robotics contest at Levien Gymnasium March 15-17, drawing 5,000 visitors to cheer 40 teams of students who designed and built remote-controlled robots for the athletic-style contest of knowledge and strategy. Among the enthusiastic spectators during Saturday's competition was New York City Schools Chancellor Harold Levy, who watched as teams from every city borough, upstate, New Jersey and New England squared off during the competition. The winning team was Rice High School in Harlem. (Results may be viewed at: http://www2.usfirst.org/2k1comp/events/nyc/teamran k.html) http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/01/03/robot.html Anonymous Coward, I'm sure the people living in your particular "inner-city ghetto" are overjoyed that you are keeping your bigoted ass away from their neighborhood activities.

  72. There *are* countries... by asqui · · Score: 1

    Pitty about the exclusive US/Canada functionality.

    I might have used this if it had support for my country.

  73. Get A Social Life! by webzombie · · Score: 1

    Ok folks it doesn't get any more retarded then this.

    A social network driven by geographic areas for the specific purpose of driving advertising.

    Great now the freaks can masturbate while socializing with their neighbour's avatar! fur sur!

    Tards!

  74. Re:Or LiveJournal and C-Squares or IKU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another idea is IKU,

    http://www.crystalballinc.com/iku/

    search for friends through people you know

  75. I just signed up by phildog · · Score: 1

    I signed up and created my neighborhood since it wasn't in there yet. I could see this being useful. Simple example: our local gas station doesn't plow snow off their sidewalk in the winter. This leads people to walk in the street and increases the chance of getting killed. This bugs me but I do nothing about it. Now maybe some fellow neighbors will agree and we could boycot them or something if they don't listen to our request. I could see things like this site making it easier to fight the Man.

    But I didn't use my real name. You think I'm nuts?

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  76. Local2Me.com solves this by molivier · · Score: 1

    There's a social networking site called Local2Me.com (http://www.local2me.com) that solves this. (Disclaimer: it's my site.) Each person defines their own group geographically centered around them, using lat/lon coordinates to define their community. Early on, users can start with big circles (e.g., people within 15 miles of me) and as the group grows, they can individually choose whether to be connected to more and more neighbors, or re-scope their community to, e.g., 3 miles. Thus it scales extremely well, making it easier to get critical mass initially and then solving the crowding problem later.

    It's been around for several years and is popular in the Bay Area Peninsula where I've focused. (Only available in U.S.) For the naysayers who think this is anti-social, let me tell you - it works. People love being easily connected with locals. They get trustworthy referrals for local businesses and are able to form impromptu groups. Local2Me users regularly report that they have met many more locals in person as a result of the service than they would have otherwise.

    One man formed a spur of the moment singing group that he used to propose to his girlfriend. Another woman asked for places to get high quality used toys to bring to kids in Mexico for Xmas, and the community poured out their free used toys - so much so that she had to go back to the group for suitcases! All this resulted in many face to face meetings.

    1. Re:Local2Me.com solves this by kpost · · Score: 1

      As a very happy user of Local2Me (that's my only affiliation with the service), I have to say that their method works very well. -Kevin

    2. Re:Local2Me.com solves this by dan3ny · · Score: 1

      i'm another member of Local2Me that is very happy. i have used it to get restaurant recommendations, buy/sell tickets and other goods, debate politics, etc. i figure that of the 1000 people or so that are in my defined community i know about 10% of them personally. when i run into someone i haven't seen for a long time, at least i've read something they've posted recently..

    3. Re:Local2Me.com solves this by prymnumber · · Score: 1

      I LOVE Local2Me.com. I was one of the first members. I met the founder (Michael) and he created L2M because he felt it served the community. . With L2M, I like how you can group people by zip code, and set the radius of how wide you want your "community" to expand. You can have an "everyone within 5-miles of my zip" and a "everyone within 125-miles of my zip". . Try it and you'll see! Irene

  77. I've been using local2me.com for about 2 years by V8Juice · · Score: 1

    http://www.local2me.com/local2me is basically the same thing and been around much longer.

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  78. Re:Top-down Ideas & your hollowed-out communit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone has been reading too much Chomsky for their own good...

  79. Better late than never to post right? by IgLou · · Score: 1

    So I checked this site out and I must say I have two major beefs about the site.

    First off, you have to actually belong to a neighborhood to view any of the good stuff there. There's no browsing (or trolling depending on how you look at it) of neighboorhoods to see who lives there, calendar of events, etc.

    Secondly, I think there should be a parent-child type relationship between neighborhoods. The reason being I have one other person in my nieghborhood. If there was a superset neighborhood called "Canada" I could see everyone in Canada, national polls, national events, etc. and that would be cool. Just my opinion really.

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  80. Complementary Currencies an i-neighbors.org by bernfast · · Score: 1
    I'm involved in the creation of a complementary currency, which will probably be peer to peer (JXTA) based. It will be similar to the timedollar. A complementary currency would be a useful addition to somthing like i-neighbors. Neighbors could offer and exchange services and goods through your system. Offering a localized Ebay-like platform would allow to exchange or lend used items locally (without any need for remote distribution). My own plans for such a system go even a little bit further and will include a booking system for reserving items electronically and an inventory where items to be sold later can be made visible ahead of time. In the extrem case a person or company can make items visible even before they are bought 1st hand and a 2nd hand buyer (or potential lender) can make a commitment to buy, share or lend the item later on.


    There's a JSR (Java Specification Request) for complementary currencies at http://dem.sourceforge.net/JSR/.


    I'm also involved in a PGP-based voting project. PGP-based voting might be an interesting addition to usual polls: A peer to peer network (Java JXTA, jxta.org) is used to collect PGP-signed votes which do not have a legal status but can be used to collect a public opinion with a very high credibility (in my case, to prepare for a direct democratic public poll about the european constitution as a next step). More information about this can be found at http://pgpid.sourceforge.net/.

  81. bad idea by tropavantgarde · · Score: 1

    i know two people in my neighborhood. i daresay i already know two too many people in my neighborhood as is.

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