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Microsoft Launches Blogging Site

Jeff Clark writes "In yet another attempt to take over all of the Internet, MSN has launched a blog service called MSN Spaces with the new version of MSN Messenger due out shortly. Features include comments, stats and trackbacks just like every other blog out there. Another built-in feature is also available where you can send pictures from your camera-phone directly to your Space. Now you can let Mom know just exactly what happened at that party last night!" Reader JDBaker adds, "Microsoft have released the first public beta of MSN Messenger 7. It can be downloaded direct from Microsoft, and carries the same build number as the recent private beta release. New features include: Winks, Set Status Before Login, Drag and Drop Backgrounds and Feedback."

286 comments

  1. Because thats what we all want. by -kertrats- · · Score: 5, Funny

    Animated smilies that make noise. The illiterates at my school are gonna be overjoyed at the prospect. I'm just going to be annoyed.

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    The Braying and Neighing of Barnyard Animals Follows.
    1. Re:Because thats what we all want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh god what I'd give to go back to a text based internet of the 80's where my usenet reader didn't have to decode animated GIF's, my e-mail client didn't have to understand MIME attachments, emotions were just :-) and chat was BITNET Relay...

    2. Re:Because thats what we all want. by onepoint · · Score: 5, Funny

      A helicopter was flying around above Seattle when an electrical malfunction disabled all of the aircraft's electronic navigation and communications equipment.

      Due to the clouds and haze, the pilot could not determine the helicopter's position. The pilot saw a tall building, flew toward it, circled, and held up a handwritten sign that said "Where am I?" in large letters. People in the tall building quickly responded to the aircraft, drew a large sign, and held it in a building window. Their sign said "You are in a Helicopter."

      The pilot smiled, waved, looked at his map, determined the course to steer to SEATAC airport, and landed safely. After they were on the ground, the copilot asked the pilot how he had done it.

      "I knew it had to be the Microsoft Building, because they gave me a technically correct but completely useless answer."

      Onepoint

      p.s. Just need to make you all laugh. Have a cup of coffee on me.

      --
      if you see me, smile and say hello.
    3. Re:Because thats what we all want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was originally an IBM joke. Microsoft answers are often technically incorrect anyhow :)

    4. Re:Because thats what we all want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then the copilot says to the pilot, "You read slashdot, don't you".

      "Yes, I do. How did you know?"

      "Because you had a problem, you expect everyone to help you, you get accurate information based on a fuzzy question and now, somehow, you feel able to criticise Microsoft despite the fact they've not actually done anything wrong."

    5. Re:Because thats what we all want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In yet another attempt to take over all of the Internet

      After all, simply opening a blog site magically takes over the net, and Microsoft shouldn't be allowed to have blogs (even though they have blogs.msdn.com).

      Only Apple and Linux users can have special blog sites.

    6. Re:Because thats what we all want. by ch-chuck · · Score: 5, Funny

      the copilot asked the pilot how he had done it.

      "I knew it had to be the Microsoft Building, because they gave me a technically correct but completely useless answer."


      Then then co-pilot says, "Gee, you must be a Linux user". "How did you know that?" says the Pilot. "Because here you are in a broken helicopter, you didn't know where you were, and suddenly now it's Microsoft's fault".

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    7. Re:Because thats what we all want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BUUURNED!!

      You are the insult master!

      Seriously, that was funny.

    8. Re:Because thats what we all want. by puddpunk · · Score: 1

      The majority of MSN users should be banned from having any kind of content online AT ALL. We simply don't need it.

      Just imagine...

      ----8----8----8----8----8----
      Date: 03/12/2004
      Subject: OMG!!1111one
      Current Mood: LOL!!!!!!11111eleven1

      ZOMFGLOLZBBQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111
      ----8----8--- -8----8----8----

      I need a coffee and a quiet sit down...

    9. Re:Because thats what we all want. by aichpvee · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's because micros~1 can't even innovate their own jokes, they have to be stolen from another company.

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      The Farewell Tour II
    10. Re:Because thats what we all want. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah that was a total ...BURN!

  2. And I have no doubt... by Tuxedo+Jack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That MS will bundle this with the next version of Windows, thus going up against LiveJournal and taking a large percentage of the new bloggers with it.

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    Striking fear in the authors of godawful fanfiction, I am here, appearing in darkness, Tuxedo Jack!
    1. Re:And I have no doubt... by Paska · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While we are on the subject of messenger, and bundling it with their OS.

      Does anyone want to tell me why Microsoft make both MSN Messenger, and Windows Messenger? And why Windows Messenger (The featureless version) was added into WinXP and now MSN Messenger?

    2. Re:And I have no doubt... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Funny

      They wouldn't do that.

      That would be illegal and unethical. This is Microsoft we are talking about here. Last thing they want is the DOJ investigating them and breaking them up.

    3. Re:And I have no doubt... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I heard the same thing with MS Media player and IIS taking over apache since apache required Unix.

      OMG MS is going to bundle it with Windows and kill the market. Well Media player is number 2 but still can't budge winamp and custom video players. IIS is not going anywhere either besides corporate America.

    4. Re:And I have no doubt... by rp8774 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Windows Messenger is more for corporate networks and supports Exchange internal messaging.

      MSN Messenger is the consumer version with more frills and contains advertising and other useless things. This version doesn't support Exchange messaging.

    5. Re:And I have no doubt... by imsabbel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Media player number 2?
      Forget it.
      Just about EVERYBODY i know who used a computer and isnt a nerd uses wmp, because thats with the computer when he/she gets it...
      Installing a 3rd party media player is allready an act of deeper understanding of computers...

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    6. Re:And I have no doubt... by empaler · · Score: 1

      AFAIR both versions have advertising - but apart from that, you've nailed it.

    7. Re:And I have no doubt... by Flamesplash · · Score: 1

      that's kinda like saying people are going to use file based favorites because it's a feature of IE which is bundled with windows. Online portals are a little different than bundled software.

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      "Not knowing when the dawn will come, I open every door." - Emily Dickinson
    8. Re:And I have no doubt... by Mant · · Score: 1

      Or visiting a website the needs Real or Quicktime. Both install pretty easily through the web if you need them as a plugin.

    9. Re:And I have no doubt... by ad0gg · · Score: 1

      MSN messenger also doesn't come bundled with windows XP. So people saying its gonna be incorporated into windows are wrong

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      Have you ever been to a turkish prison?

    10. Re:And I have no doubt... by neoform · · Score: 1

      yeah, cause we don't get enough of this at school:

      NET SEND * EAT DICK FUCKERS!!!!

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    11. Re:And I have no doubt... by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      Actually that isn't true. If most people buy computers pre-installed with windows on them and there is an icon on the desktop (or the start menu or some place) that says "My Blog" and takes them to the micros~1 site, then yeah it is just like bundled software. Same shit happened when they started linking their music store from windows explorer.

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    12. Re:And I have no doubt... by Zonnald · · Score: 1

      IIS is not going anywhere either - besides corporate America.....

      I would kill to have a Significant chunk of coporate America for clients.

  3. An even better feature by l1nuxpunk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Another new feature of the MSN beta that the article fails to mention is it's un-godly amount of bloat.

    Seriously, does anyone really need the Nudge function? To all those of you who don't use MSN (whom I hold the deepest respect for, btw), all Nudge does is shake your window and the recipients window in some weird kind of internet seizure.

    Looks like I'm going to migrate back to IRC.

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    1. Re:An even better feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yahoo's messenger has this too.

    2. Re:An even better feature by pmjordan · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you're looking for a better IM network, why not try Jabber? There are loads of clients out there, which won't break, since the protocol is entirely open. If your client of choice doesn't support other networks, you can talk to people who aren't on jabber using server-side 'transports' to connect to other networks via Jabber itself.

      ~phil

    3. Re:An even better feature by thepoch · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yahoo Messenger has this same feature. It's called the Buzz feature. You buzz a person, it goes "Ding Dong!!!" and shakes the window and sets it on top. I've done it to annoy a few people. I put in "I'M NOT WORKING" in big bright red colored font, then shake the window. If the boss is looking, then I've hit jackpot. This is the reason I use gaim. When someone buzzes me, I get a *Buzz* text. Nothing more.

    4. Re:An even better feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never, IRC is good enough for me.
      BUT I know my sister would like it, and I'm pretty sure MS targets those users and not geeks like us.

    5. Re:An even better feature by NSash · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I thought the grandparent was trying to move away from un-godly bloat.

    6. Re:An even better feature by telstar · · Score: 1

      Dude, you can just disable that in Yahoo. You can turn off all sounds too. Easy to do, just check the menus.

    7. Re:An even better feature by pmjordan · · Score: 1

      I doubt he'll be able to move everyone on his contact list away from MSN, though. The transports are a good compromise.

      ~phil

    8. Re:An even better feature by smacktits · · Score: 1

      I often lament the fact that people refuse to use IRC (because that's for hax0rs, you know..) and as a result I am forced into using IM, which I am not that big a fan of. And you'd think that everyone would use something halfway decent, like Yahoo's IM, but no; MSN seems to be the one of choice. I do try and direct people to where I hang out on IRC, but the hardcore lamers out there just want animated smileys and a shaky message window.

    9. Re:An even better feature by isecore · · Score: 1

      I agree with you to some extent. I like IRC as much as the next antisocial geek, but IRC is IMHO dying. The networks are either crap, unstable, or unknown and the worst part is that IRC is not the same as it was when I started back in '95. Nowadays there's lots of morons who think it's "mircing" and insist on using colors and shouting "OMFG!!!!! LOL ROXORS!!!!" all the time.

      I prefer IM to this, since then I can use a client such as Miranda and strip away all the pink fluffy bullshit such as animated smileys, shaking windows, etc etc and just get the plain stuff, as well as choosing who I want to communicate with.

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    10. Re:An even better feature by Thorog+the+Slasher · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seriously, does anyone really need the Nudge function? To all those of you who don't use MSN (whom I hold the deepest respect for, btw), all Nudge does is shake your window and the recipients window in some weird kind of internet seizure.

      And I suppose if you nudge it too many times, the title bar displays "TILT!" and all the lights go out?

    11. Re:An even better feature by smacktits · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say IRC is dying, at least not on EFNet:

      22:51:17 -!- There are 3459 users and 106809 invisible on 53 servers
      22:51:17 -!- 416 IRC Operators online
      22:51:17 -!- 42524 channels formed
      22:51:17 -!- I have 1932 clients and 1 servers
      22:51:17 -!- Current local users: 1932 Max: 2277
      22:51:17 -!- Current global users: 110268 Max: 117492

      110,000 users is a fair few. I mainly frequent chans where lol/omg/ur/wtf/rofl will get you instantly banned, along with any displays of colours or (the most offensive of all, in my opinion) away/mp3 scripts.

      I guess I will never really like IMs, but as far as IM clients go, Trillian Pro is my client of choice. It would be Miranda but for the file transfer nightmares I always seem to suffer when I use it. Plus it doesn't (at least when I recently tried it again) support Yahoo, and I rather like having all my IM protocols handled by a single client. With smileys, sounds and colours and all the other crap turned off, it's quite respectable.

      But for me, as with many others, I suspect IRC will always remain a firm favourite. And as long as we are around, IRC will be too and we will continue to uphold the sadly much-maligned etiquette that once was everywhere.

    12. Re:An even better feature by westlake · · Score: 1
      Another new feature of the MSN beta that the article fails to mention is it's un-godly amount of bloat.

      Interesting only to the insignificant numbers of MSN users who care about bloat.

      Looks like I'm going to migrate back to IRC.

      Don't forget to write.

    13. Re:An even better feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, At least they thank you for using their software.

      .NET Messenger Service Terms of Use
      THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING MICROSOFT!

    14. Re:An even better feature by Zonnald · · Score: 1

      And of course you can disable it in Messanger, just go into options, turn it off.

    15. Re:An even better feature by Zonnald · · Score: 1

      Two edge knife but here's an interesting headline

      135 million Microsoft's MSN Messenger users paralyzed for a short time

      Now the point here is that 135 Million users is significantly higher by a factor of 1200, Then the quoted 106809 using EFNet.

    16. Re:An even better feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it have any more "lack of security" features?

      The vaguely well known method of pretending you're someone else by changing the "P4-Context" header is at least rather flawed.

      I'm glad at least they fixed the UTF-8 bug. (For the record, MSN6 would ignore SB invites from users with bad UTF8 in their display name. The server used to accept bad UTF8, it now disconnects you if you try. If the SB invite was ignored, the CKI protection was brute-forceable and thus it was trivial to pretend to be another online user, or to read their conversations).

      They finally fixed the IP-detection through file transfers, as long as you use MSN6.

      Of course, you can still appear to join a chat without an invite if you (a) know what you're doing, and (b) know it's about to start.

      For all of Micro$oft's handwaving about improving security and blackbox testing, neither their MSN client nor server is terribly well done.

      Have they fixed (broken?) Ralka yet? Inquiring minds want to know...

    17. Re:An even better feature by hfis · · Score: 1

      If it shits you to tears so much, why don't you do the INCREDIBLY BATSHIT COMPLEX step of going to "Options" and turning off nudges?

      Seriously, you Linux pussyboys that bitch about EVERYTHING Micro$oft (LOL i used teh $ instead of teh S LOL HAR HAR HAR) does piss me off.

  4. private areas to the blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Is there a blog that allows u to have private areas (requiring login)? I mean to use it like a diary?

    No. I'm not a fourteen year old girl, I'm an old Korean.

    1. Re:private areas to the blog by Jetifi · · Score: 1
      Is there a blog that allows u to have private areas (requiring login)? I mean to use it like a diary?

      LiveJournal lets you have a private blog.

    2. Re:private areas to the blog by jtcedinburgh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Try WordPress. Open source, PHP/MySQL based, nice. jtc

    3. Re:private areas to the blog by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I mean to use it like a diary?

      Not to sound like a Luddite, but why would you need a web-log in order to keep a personal journal? If you want a personal diary, you could just turn on your laptop/desktop and use your word processor. Or, you could just purchase paper and ink and start writing. Or am I completely missing the point somehow?

    4. Re:private areas to the blog by Zorilla · · Score: 1

      Lemme get this straight - you now need a feature to have people not read others' blogs? Again with the useless features, people!

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      It would be cool if it didn't suck.
    5. Re:private areas to the blog by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Informative

      Livejournal also has the private feature if you have to read your private entries outside of your computer/house.

      Livejournal supports custom groups who can read your journal. This means your close friends, work associates, or your friends excluding your wife when you want to bitch about your relationship or work without certain people reading it.

      Livejournal also supports communities you can hide for porn viewing....looks innocent.

      I prefer an online portal like Livejournal because it has a ton of features and is ahead of blogger and everything else plus communities to meet people with all sorts of interests.

    6. Re:private areas to the blog by Tylerious · · Score: 1

      The problem with LiveJournal is that it costs money to get all the features. The good point is that it made it's code open-source so other sites can use/alter it.

      GreatestJournal is a great journal site that offers the same features of LiveJournal paid accounts for free. It also offers many more features, including those of the new Microsoft blogging service, such as posting cell phone images directly to your site.

      Another great feature is how customizable it is. Granted, one doesn't have access to scripting or the database, but you do have a lot more control than sites such as Blogger or Xanga (*shiver*).

    7. Re:private areas to the blog by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the explanation. Now I know that I am missing the point. I look at each of your reasons and I say to myself "So what?".

      But, it's your blog. If you can justify the need for the feature, go for it.

    8. Re:private areas to the blog by Tylerious · · Score: 1

      Personally, the image features I could go without. However, it does appeal to the same crowd as the new Microsoft service in addition to many existing users. This way it can offer an alternative to the monster companies.

    9. Re:private areas to the blog by mrjackson2000 · · Score: 1

      Livejournal is also working on the photo posting from phone, it works w/ the photohosting service thats still in beta iirc

    10. Re:private areas to the blog by simong_oz · · Score: 1

      Well, if you're missing the point, let me join you. I don't see any relevance for blogs at all. I've never even seen or read a blog I found interesting enough to stay on for more than 30 seconds and the only thing they seem to be good for is completely saturating the useful pages out of any internet search. Yeh, I know it's an exaggeration, but I just don't see the point of a blog.

      It seems to be a repeat of the trend from about 5-7 years ago when websites became accessible to people without some html knowledge (yahoo, geocities, etc) and suddenly everyone who was anyone had a website of their travels, recipes, baby photos etc.

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    11. Re:private areas to the blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      But in North Korea, private areas use old people!

    12. Re:private areas to the blog by BrianGa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perhaps he is afraid of hard drive failure as well as fire/flood/pet's teeth. I would be tempted to use gmail...just continuously replying to the same thread and archiving.

    13. Re:private areas to the blog by ambienceman · · Score: 2, Informative

      As the previous commenter said, LiveJournal lets you blog "privately" You can set filters on each post you make. From totally private (only you can see) to totally public. It allows you to make lists of people that are allowed to view it when they're logged into LiveJournal. So If I only want Old Koreans on my friends list to be able to view my posts, I can make a list of OLD Koreans, choose that as the filter for a certain post (or as the default filter for posting) and it's done.

      You can check mine here btw: http://www.livejournal.com/users/ambienceman

    14. Re:private areas to the blog by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      I've used blogs before for class group projects. Granted, there are other pieces of software that would fulfill the same purpose such as on-line bulletin boards, but the blogs proved useful as a way of both sharing information amomgst the group and recording a "diary" of our progress that anyone can easily check.

    15. Re:private areas to the blog by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
      but the blogs proved useful as a way of both sharing information amomgst the group and recording a "diary" of our progress that anyone can easily check.

      OK. That sounds suspiciously like you were "documenting your work". I am sorry, REAL techies don't document!

    16. Re:private areas to the blog by NardofDoom · · Score: 1
      I use wordpress because the MySQL DB is easy to back up (and small compared to a bunch of Word docs), the web interface means I can access it from anywhere with a connection, it has a bookmarklet that lets me blog interesting sites, and I type a lot faster than I write.

      I tried starting a paper-and-pen journal, but I never got more than three days in before the entries got way too long. And most of the stuff I did got forgotten over the course of a day. My blog is a lot easier to use.

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    17. Re:private areas to the blog by CrazyTalk · · Score: 1

      True. This was a marketing class.

    18. Re:private areas to the blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is shoddy, lazy work a badge of honor in IT and only in IT?

      And we wonder why we don't get the respect we deserve!

    19. Re:private areas to the blog by heri0n · · Score: 1

      Xanga supports the ability to create private posts.

    20. Re:private areas to the blog by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
      Why is shoddy, lazy work a badge of honor in IT and only in IT?

      If you look up, you'll see the joke as it passes over your head.

    21. Re:private areas to the blog by Mynister · · Score: 1

      I have just recently set up wordpress and it works great. Lots of features. Real easy to set up as that is has been ported to be a module to http://www.xoops.org/

      My blog will be an account an atempt to make a living at online Texas Holdem check it out here at Texas Holdem Poker Blog

      Anyway just wanted to let folks know that wordpress is a solid blog

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    22. Re:private areas to the blog by Zonnald · · Score: 1

      Microsoft Spaces....

      Permissions specify who can view your space. You can choose to let everyone view your space or only people you know. Select one of the following, and then click Save. Public: Allows anyone on the Internet to view your space.
      Messenger: Allows only the people on your MSN Messenger Allow list to view your space. View my Allow list.
      Private: Allows only the people you select from your MSN Address Book to view your space.

    23. Re:private areas to the blog by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      It's useful if you want some entries to be private, but you don't mind other entries being seen by other people (either specific people, or anyone).

      Now you could maintain two separate journals, a LiveJournal, and one on your computer, but I'd say it's less hassle to maintain just one, and also more convenient to have the entries stored together.

      I have done this when keeping a dream diary. I don't want to have the entries stored across separate journals, and I don't mind some of the entries being read by others. But obviously, some of my dreams are rather private.

      I guess there are other advantages of an online journal, such as being able to post/read it anywhere.

  5. They all look the same by amrust · · Score: 2, Informative

    From clicking on the link, you can also visit some of the "recently updated Spaces" (Spaces, heh). My blog is plain as a loaf of bread, sure. But at least it looks semi-original. Maybe they'll add some "skins", with an equally original twist on the name for them.

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    1. Re:They all look the same by xactuary · · Score: 1

      Yeah, like *skein* or some such shit.

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    2. Re:They all look the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know why else your blog is superior? You don't need a Passport account to comment.

      That's part of the reason I even read Slashdot. I can be an anonymous coward.

  6. Forgotten new feature by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Funny
    New features include: Winks, Set Status Before Login, Drag and Drop Backgrounds and Feedback."

    They forgot to include the ability to have your system come to a crawl at an even faster pace with quicker ad and spam delivery

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    We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
    1. Re:Forgotten new feature by tod_miller · · Score: 1

      no, no, check the change logs, that has been in there from the earliest versions!

      They might have made some upgrades to it, you know... take some market away from other computer hogging apps, the usual 'hit all markets' approach.

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  7. Missing product for Google? by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was reading through the list of things Microsoft were adding, thinking that it's just another place Google are at already, then I realised that while there's Gmail, there's no Gmessenger or similar as far as I'm aware.

    How long do you reckon before Google launches such a thing, potentially pushing MSN Messenger out the market? :-)

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    1. Re:Missing product for Google? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Gmessenger has been mentioned in slashdot before and is being worked on. I think Google plans to make it archivable like gmail with unique features. Who knows.

      But yes I was thinking of the same thing when I read the story. WHen MS does it they are evil and taking over the world and the net. When Google does it they are innovative.

      MS has alot to fear with google. They are the number one threat probably over Linux if I were Billy Gates. :-)

      If Google makes inroads with the desktop then it would leave MS's advantage on using Windows on the server mute which is the only reason people run w2k in the server room.

    2. Re:Missing product for Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because we all know how good google is now. With their excellent gmail interface, google groups beta, and search engine improvements.

    3. Re:Missing product for Google? by EntrancedX · · Score: 1

      You think that Microsoft will include "Gmessenger" with the next version of Windows? ...I doubt it... so, MSN Messenger will not be pushed out of the market that easy. *(just FYI - I use Gaim for my msg-ing pleasures)

    4. Re:Missing product for Google? by mshiltonj · · Score: 1

      I realised that while there's Gmail, there's no Gmessenger or similar as far as I'm aware. ... yet.

    5. Re:Missing product for Google? by Yolegoman · · Score: 1

      I hope not long. The only reason I use MSN Messenger is because I tried Yahoo! Messenger, and it installed a bunch of crap I purposely told it not to, as well as adding to my right-click dialogue box "Email with Yahoo! Email", and also because I'm not about to have anything to do with AOL.

      Believe me, the minute there is Gmessenger, I'll be the first one downloading it and convincing my friends to do the same. Google is the only large company I semi-trust nowadays.

      - Yolego

    6. Re:Missing product for Google? by shird · · Score: 4, Informative

      They have "hello"

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    7. Re:Missing product for Google? by SilentChris · · Score: 1

      "How long do you reckon before Google launches such a thing, potentially pushing MSN Messenger out the market?"

      Because we all know how Gmail completely knocked out Hotmail...

    8. Re:Missing product for Google? by bheer · · Score: 1

      If after-hours coffeeshop talk in the Valley is to be believed, there *is* a Google Messenger coming in 2005, despite denials.

      And it won't push MSN out of the market, just like MSN or Yahoo didn't push AIM out of the market. MSN Messenger has HUGE presence internationally and the hassle of getting all your buddies to upgrade is what will keep MSN where it is.

    9. Re:Missing product for Google? by smacktits · · Score: 1

      I hope not long. The only reason I use MSN Messenger is because I tried Yahoo! Messenger, and it installed a bunch of crap I purposely told it not to, as well as adding to my right-click dialogue box "Email with Yahoo! Email",

      Check out Miranda, or Trillian Pro. Personally when on Windows I use Trillian Pro, as although I like Miranda it gives me file transfer nightmares. Plus it's free, unlike Trillian Pro.

    10. Re:Missing product for Google? by amrust · · Score: 1

      As long as there's a Trillian plugin, I'm cool with Google Messenger. Or maybe they'll make GMessenger work with AIM/ICQ/Yahoo/MSN, itself!

      --
      VOTE!
    11. Re:Missing product for Google? by SpinyNorman · · Score: 1

      You think that Microsoft will include "Gmessenger" with the next version of Windows?

      No, I but I wouldn't expect that to be an option...

      Presumably "Gmessenger" will/would be web based so that it'd be available everywhere and not require any desktop installation.

    12. Re:Missing product for Google? by Arbin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      *DISCLAIMER* I work for Google.

      There is a 'gmessenger' application being worked on. It is not named, 'gmessenger', but rather, something marketable.

      It's interface is typical Google. Clean and uncluttered. It's very similiar in functionality to some of the more popular jabber/gaim clients (in both appearance /and/ function *wink* )

      It uses targeted advertising based upon current text typed as part of any conversation (There is a middle text box used for this purpose)

    13. Re:Missing product for Google? by JFitzsimmons · · Score: 1

      As far as I know, those three protocols have more or less pushed ICQ out of the market though have they not? I don't have an ICQ account and I haven't talked to someone who does for quite a long time.

      I do admit however, ICQ's downfall may also have had something to do with the fact that AOL bought them and then basically shot the ICQ client in the face by adding a completely unbearable amount of bloat and advertising to it.

      --
      Beware he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. -Anonymous
    14. Re:Missing product for Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can I get google groups to use the old one instead of this shitty beta one?

    15. Re:Missing product for Google? by bheer · · Score: 1

      Lots of ICQ users in Eastern Europe and Russia.

      Also, ICQ was way to complicated (ICQ numbers got oldfashioned quickly after Yahoo and MSN came up with screen names). I don't use AIM much but I fondly remember early versions of Yahoo and MSN messenger: underfeatured but easy on the eyes, compared to the visual bloat of ICQ.

    16. Re:Missing product for Google? by davegaramond · · Score: 1

      There are free alternatives, mind you. Gaim, Miranda, even CenterICQ. All support Yahoo!, ICQ, (and some even support AIM and MSN). And then there's Trillian...

  8. Spin... by Sheetrock · · Score: 5, Insightful
    In yet another attempt to take over all of the Internet, MSN...

    How about, "In yet another attempt to make the Internet relevant to the average person?" Why is this a laudable goal for everybody but Microsoft to strive towards?

    To have a one-stop shop for communication is pretty much what it's all about. E-mail, instant messaging, fax, voice, photos, movies, TV, radio, and the blog (considered to be the future of websites) converging in a simple-to-use way. This should be something to look forward to.

    --

    Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
    -- Dr. Spock, stardate 2822-3.




    1. Re:Spin... by Winterblink · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but this is /. we're talking about. When Firefox releases a new version everyone's all raving about how it's a great competitor to IE, that competition is good and that IE is going to die off because of it. Then when MS releases a new blog it's suddenly an attempt to take over the world, and when THEY introduce a little competition it's suddenly a reason to pick up the pitchforks and light the torches.

      --
      "I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar."
      -Hoban Washburn
    2. Re:Spin... by Mant · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Becuase what you likely end up with is something from MS that does everything badly, is buggy and insecure. Plus, if it does kill the competition, they will stop adding anything new worthwhile.

      Of course, maybe this offering from MS will be different.

    3. Re:Spin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps because Microsoft are - at least originally - a software producer, not a web portal.

      Microsoft - Jack of all trades, master of none.

    4. Re:Spin... by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 1

      How about, "In yet another attempt to make the Internet relevant to the average person?"

      Sorry, but Microsoft hasn't been interested in the "average person" since at least Windows 95. Windows has become so amazingly complex that just about every "average" user I know complains constantly about it. Don't confuse "average person" with "average person with a technical background" - there are a LOT more of the first type. Just about every time I get a call from a family member or non-technical friend these days at least part of that call involves problems they're having with their Windows PC's. If Microsoft really cared about the average person then they would focus on making an OS that somebody with NO technical abilities whatsoever could feel comfortable using rather than trying to shoehorn every whatever-the-latest-hot-trend-of-the-week-is into Windows.

    5. Re:Spin... by malkavian · · Score: 1

      Yes and no. The idea is to have components that all work together, so that you can achieve the aim seamlessly.
      The aim is not to have one company insert things into the OS that force a de facto monopoly on one application.
      Any system is most robust when it's heterogenous, but co-operative (i.e. wide variety of systems that understand each other and can happily transact between each other). This way, something designed to compromise one system will at most break only a part of the whole.
      MS want everything homogenous. One break kills all. This isn't a great mechanism to follow.
      Now, if they left it out of the OS, as a download (not a nag alert every time you start a session when it's not installed), then I'm all for it. Let them play on a level playing field, and they'll make a better product than if they'd leveraged Windows to get it out there. And they'd give other players a chance.
      Things are already simple to do, inside suites that are engineered to be homogenous. What would really restore a little faith would be to see MS producing something that would happily work well with other components.

    6. Re:Spin... by DoctorMO · · Score: 1

      If you want all your base to belong to a big corperation, be my guest.

    7. Re:Spin... by mcc · · Score: 1

      To have a one-stop shop for communication is pretty much what it's all about. E-mail, instant messaging, fax, voice, photos, movies, TV, radio, and the blog (considered to be the future of websites) converging in a simple-to-use way. This should be something to look forward to.

      The problem is that this all-communication-converges-in-one-product thing was something that was available literally decades ago in the form of, say, Lotus Notes and similar products. What people then decided-- leading to this whole "internet" thing-- was that what they wanted wasn't a "one stop shop", they wanted to be able to communicate with people. Communicating meant giving up the idea of one single product, or one single communication method, and instead going for something more cooperative and inclusive. This meant slowing down the process by which functionality appeared, because a common ground had to be established before things could move forward. But it also meant that once that functionality took hold, it was universal.

      Microsoft, not big on cooperation, is trying to reverse this process. They successfully brought progress in communications methods on the internet to a screeching halt by grabbing a stranglehold on the web browser market; this allowed them to serve as a sort of gatekeeper for which technologies take hold on the WWW. They've used this gatekeeper power to basically seal the gate shut; MSIE has basically not advanced at all, or even really been significantly updated until the popup blocker in SP2, since Netscape died. Since you kind of have to work with MSIE users in order for a web technology to catch on, this means there's been no significant advancement in the web browser since Netscape (not a good software company, but at least a viable commercial threat and so an impetus for Microsoft to continue improving their products) died. Now Microsoft's trying to present a solution to the problem they created by ending the old gradual cooperative model by which web standards were once developed and deployed, by introducing alterations to the normal web communication paradigm. But, of course, you have to use MSN Messenger and MSIE to make that altered paradigm work. It's being claimed elsewhere on this board that Firefox users are shut out from features of these web boards. I assume this means that I, as a mac user, am shut out as well. At the moment this is no problem, since I have no need to use any of these MSN blog sites. But if people begin erecting content in any numbers using Microsoft's blog software, I am wondering how long this will last.

      If by making the Internet relevant to the average person they have to make the Internet irrelivant to people who don't use Microsoft products-- or shut out non-MS users from being able to communicate fully with the average person-- then yeah, that's a horrible goal. I don't want the internet to be a one stop shop. I want the internet to be what it promised to be at first: a place where barriers to communication are naturally broken down. If you're going to begin erecting barriers to communication on the internet I don't see what's interesting about it.

    8. Re:Spin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about, "In yet another attempt to make the Internet relevant to the average person?"

      Microsoft is a corporation. Its sole purpose of existence is to make money for its shareholders. "Making the Internet relevant" is not its goal, unless that furthers the goal of making money. "Taking over the Internet", while hyperbolic in the extreme, is much more liekly to make them money.

    9. Re:Spin... by Zonnald · · Score: 1

      That's exactly write - Since Windows 95, they have been adding back the SECURITY that has been demanded on them.

      When they wrote 95 they strived for a User interface that anyone could use. Leaving out many "security elements" meant it could be easy to use.

      Then the exploits came. So they tried to retrofit the security that the average person *Shouldn't need*.

      Would this correspond with when windows started becoming too complex.

      As far as shoehorning the latest-hot-trend....why the hell not. Trend of the week matters to a lot of "average persons" so it would appear that MS do *care*?

  9. Re:Tomorrow's Blog by armacc · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ... and failed.

  10. All of your bloggers are belong to us! by deletedaccount · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great. MS making it easier for another swathe of barely litterate nobodies to spout off uninformed bollocks on the internet. Not like erm, us... erm. Bugger. *gets coat*

    1. Re:All of your bloggers are belong to us! by jocks · · Score: 1

      Eye um not bearly literate! & I have nevur worn a uniform neither, with or without my bollocks hanging out. Retract that statement or as it says in the bible "I'm gonna sue your arse, mutha".

      And leave that *goat* alone you prevert!

    2. Re:All of your bloggers are belong to us! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think there is a certain irony inherent in not being able to spell the word 'literate'.

    3. Re:All of your bloggers are belong to us! by 2old2rockNroll · · Score: 1

      litterate

      Is that the shredded newspaper you put in the cat box?

  11. Comparing to blogger, it is very limited. by WARM3CH · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've just took a look at MSN spaces. It's interface to create the weblog and change its layout is interesting and very easy to use. But my main concern is that it is very limiting. You can't edit the template in the way you can do it like in Blogger (which is now owned by Google). In blogger you can edit the HTML file that is the template of your weblog and this gives you the control on EVERYTHING but in MSN spaces you can just play with the layout of predefined "module" but can't really change the code behind. Also, it seems the total space allocated to each weblog is very small (10MB). Plase notice that it also includes the space for the photos and "music" so you can imagine you can't expect much from it. The other problem is that there is no support for internationalization: you can't create a chines, korean, arabic, persian... blog! You can't change the stylesheets to support RTL paragraphs etc. All in all, it's nice, but very limited. It's like comparing the notepad to Ultra-Edit....

    1. Re:Comparing to blogger, it is very limited. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Informative

      As long as its bundled with Windows it will be a killer. It doesn't have to be as good. Just more installed and popular. Microsoft learned this along time ago and I still appauled how Windows 3.11 and 95 beat Os/2 as a result.

    2. Re:Comparing to blogger, it is very limited. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I've just took a look at MSN spaces. It's interface to create the weblog and change its layout is interesting and very easy to use.

      ...and boy is it ugly.

    3. Re:Comparing to blogger, it is very limited. by Chatterton · · Score: 1

      Unfortunatly, a lot of people doesn't do any difference between notepad and ultra-edit. As long as you can edit a text... It is the same with all tools. For this, as long as you can edit your comments and easily change your skin to personalize it a little bit, they don't want more. It could be funny to see my wife trying to change an html file to set the layout of her blog... Not everybody need the full set of capability Ultra-edit have some people have enough difficulties just using notepad.
      For each person using blogger.com and editing his own template there will be thousand people happy using MSN spaces. Limited for you? Perhaps. Limited for a lot of people? Certainly not.

    4. Re:Comparing to blogger, it is very limited. by DJProtoss · · Score: 1

      Whilst your point is valid, I'm afraid the metaphor isn't - Ultra-Edit doesn't allow you to produce any files which you couldn't with notepad. It just lets you produce them quicker.

      --
      "Success is based on knowing how far to go in going too far"
    5. Re:Comparing to blogger, it is very limited. by WARM3CH · · Score: 1
      Ultra-Edit doesn't allow you to produce any files which you couldn't with notepad
      hmmmm, Hex editing a binary file? Searching for regular expressions? Search and replace in multiple files on disk? etc. But generally you're right. It was not a good metaphor. MOST of the things you do with UltraEdit is in theory possible to to with the notepad but with blogger there are LOTS of things you can do that are impossible with MSN spaces.
    6. Re:Comparing to blogger, it is very limited. by WARM3CH · · Score: 1

      You're right about this fact that MSN spaces does most of what lots of people need. Lots of people, though, not most of people. The number of blogs in asian/persian/arabic/hindi... languages are so big that the lack of support for internationalization is a big concern. You simply CAN'T do it with current version of MSN spaces, no matter how simple and basic your needs are for a say, Persian weblog (I think now there are round 18,000 Persian weblogs on the net!).

    7. Re:Comparing to blogger, it is very limited. by Tylerious · · Score: 1

      Exactly, ugly. I don't see what people are so excited about, style-wise. It looks just like anything else on MSN. Who would want to conform to that even more? "Hey look, guys! I can make my blog look like MSN Dictionary!"

    8. Re:Comparing to blogger, it is very limited. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's interface to create the weblog

      OK, I don't normally do this, and I don't have anything against this poster, but I've seen this about 20 times already today, and I've snapped.

      THERE IS NO FUCKING APOSTROPHE IN THE POSSESSIVE FORM OF "IT!!!!"

      It's = "it is" or "it has." The apostrophe indicates a CONTRACTION.

      Now, I'm sure you're thinking that I'm pointing out the obvious, that we all learned this in school. IF SO, WHY DO I SEE IT ALL THE GODDAMN TIME???!@?

      I'm sick of seeing all these illiterate constructions, like:

      "it's" for "its"
      "alright"
      "definately" (OK, that's just spelling, but I see it too often here)
      "Please ask myself or Lisa."
      "So you agree with Steve and I."
      "The president, whom is an idiot..."
      "He ordered two pizza's."

      Aw, fuck, nobody cares. I'll just get modded flamebait or troll or offtopic and everyone will go on blithely writing like fucking idiots. I can't take it any more; I'm going to go put a bullet in my face. Ye shall hear from Anonymous Coward no more (You may see impostors, but this is the final post for the One True and Original Anonymous Coward). Goodbye, all. Your atrocious misuse of English has sent me to my grave.

    9. Re:Comparing to blogger, it is very limited. by Salvo · · Score: 1

      It's not marketed at people who know how to use a computer, or already have a Blog.

      It's marketed at the people who just want to publish their opinion/experience/etc, but don't want to learn anything about publishing -- same people who use Word to write a book, and wonder why the published work doesn't include all their fancy Text Objects and Borders.

      Real, Thinking People can still make their blogs the same way, and I know which blogs I'd be reading...

    10. Re:Comparing to blogger, it is very limited. by Nurgled · · Score: 1

      You forgot comma splices, they are very annoying. They seem to be everywhere recently.

  12. Destroying internet darwinism by dnaboy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Dammit-

    MS is trying to do it again. They're trying to break down any barriers to setting up a blog. Great. Now I can be chastized for not reading my 8 year old cousin's blog, or even better, my 90 year old grandmother's.

    What happened to the days when there was SOME barrier to entry, that at least made you put a LITTLE thought and energy into feeling important enough that people should read your every thought?

    1. Re:Destroying internet darwinism by DaHat · · Score: 1

      What barrier to entry?

      You mean like signing up with Blogger?

      Doesn't sound like much of an barrier compared to Spaces most likely being integrated with Passport, so after being logged in one would just have to say "I want a blog".

    2. Re:Destroying internet darwinism by vivek7006 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      They're trying to break down any barriers to setting up a blog

      Isn't that supposed to be a good thing? Why should only geeks be allowed to have blogs?

      Reminds me of the typical attitude some phoney geeks had towards linux, that it should not be made easy to install and use.

    3. Re:Destroying internet darwinism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The barrier to entry still exists. There are lots of livejournal.com blogs out there that I don't read because they have juvenile, poorly written content. I'm fine with not reading the blog of an aquaintance or family member who has nothing worthwhile to say, and I'm not ashamed to tell them to their face that I don't read their blog. The simple solution to this problem is to act like a grown up and not waste yout time and attention on silliness.

    4. Re:Destroying internet darwinism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      The barrier to entry still exists. There are lots of livejournal.com blogs out there that I don't read because they have juvenile, poorly written content. I'm fine with not reading the blog of an aquaintance or family member who has nothing worthwhile to say, and I'm not ashamed to tell them to their face that I don't read their blog. The simple solution to this problem is to act like a grown up and not waste your time and attention on silliness.

    5. Re:Destroying internet darwinism by Alan · · Score: 1

      Same reason you have to go through effort to get your drivers license so you can drive a car... because if anyone could do it it would be mayham and having a car would be useless.

    6. Re:Destroying internet darwinism by Tylerious · · Score: 1

      Maybe you haven't noticed, but there's hardly any barrier to starting a blog. Anyone can go to sites like LiveJournal and create as many blogs as they want. I think the barrier that needs to be created isn't who can create blogs, but a barrier that sorts out different types of blogs. Separate the juvenile blogs, personal blogs, corporate blogs, insightful blogs, celebrity blogs, etc. My hope is that sometime in the near future, this will come to pass. The time is overdue for more useful blog feature updates, not features such as cell phoneimage posting that only clutter up the organization.

    7. Re:Destroying internet darwinism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, my mind wandered for a moment. Could you repeat that?

    8. Re:Destroying internet darwinism by fastfinge · · Score: 1

      I think wordpress and MT have done that already. A wordpress install on my system took me about 10 seconds and I was running. Sure, you have to already be a half geek (wordpress requires no programming or even real understanding of anything but chmod), but you forget that just because you're good with computers doesn't mean that you have something worthwhile to say. I mean, look at slashdot!

    9. Re:Destroying internet darwinism by NCraig · · Score: 2, Funny
      What happened to the days when there was SOME barrier to entry, that at least made you put a LITTLE thought and energy into feeling important enough that people should read your every thought?


      This is either brilliant sarcasm or incredible irony.
    10. Re:Destroying internet darwinism by omicronish · · Score: 1

      What happened to the days when there was SOME barrier to entry, that at least made you put a LITTLE thought and energy into feeling important enough that people should read your every thought?

      Check out Xanga sometime. There are some absolutely atrocious blogs, and some of the writing resembles that of middle schoolers. Yes, I was shocked to realize they go to the same university as I do. The barriers to setting up a blog are really low already, so although MS might make the situation worse, it can't get much worse. Or maybe I overestimate people...

    11. Re:Destroying internet darwinism by Ben+Hutchings · · Score: 1

      That already happened. AOL has blogs.

    12. Re:Destroying internet darwinism by bbtom · · Score: 1

      There may not be a very high barrier to entry, but we, the geekbloggers, still have all the cool toys to play with: XML-RPC, TrackBack, Feedburner, OPML and so on. I can see it being a little while before the newbies get the hang of them, especially as it is difficult enough for them to form a coherent sentence.

      That said, it's the Internet dammit. If I don't like reading someone's weblog, I simply don't read it. Until somebody comes round and forces me to put mediocre LiveJournals in to my RSS reader, I don't really give a shit. Knock yourself out kids.

      --
      catch (HumourFailureException e) { e.user.send("You, sir, are a humourless idiot."); }
  13. Too much freedom of information by kyouteki · · Score: 2, Funny

    "...now you can let Mom know just exactly what happened at that party last night!" How many people are going to tell their mom what happened at the party last night? O.o I mean, that was between me and that blond chick, and only because we were drunk...

    --
    A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
    1. Re:Too much freedom of information by saintp · · Score: 2, Funny

      OMG! You played Doom with a girl???? Lucky bastard.

    2. Re:Too much freedom of information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many people are going to tell their mom what happened at the party last night? O.o I mean, that was between me and that blond chick, and only because we were drunk...

      You mean what happened at your room last night, between you and your hand, only because you were watching too much p0rn and...

      Yeah you're right, it's better for everyone if we don't know.

    3. Re:Too much freedom of information by Darthmalt · · Score: 1

      You mean only because she was drunk right ;)

  14. Blogging Services useless to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Quite personally, I prefer spending $50 a year on a Custom DNS and my own private domain than putting my stuff on anyone elses server.
    What I do is this:
    1) Go get a Custom DNS from DynDNS.org.
    2) Go get a Domain Name from a selection of many different registrars.
    3) Go set up a box running Gentoo, Debian, SuSE, or FreeBSD, and install Apache.
    And then boom. I'm the master of my own domain, for the low-low price of $50 per year. thats an average of $4 a month for hosting, totally within your control.
    I can even give subdomains to the people I like, considering if I have enough bandiwdth. But that isn't a problem considering many Canadian ISP's offer over 800kbps upstream.

    1. Re:Blogging Services useless to me. by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1, Troll
      I prefer spending $50 a year on a Custom DNS and my own private domain than putting my stuff on anyone elses server.

      You know, that is a GREAT idea! I bet no one else on Slashdot has ever thought of this!

    2. Re:Blogging Services useless to me. by Tuxedo+Jack · · Score: 0

      Fifty a year for that crap? Dude, that's pathetic.

      Hasweb.

      It's a dirt-cheap division of Hostdime.

      My fifty a year nets me 35GB of bandwidth a month, 2GB disk, and a crapwad of other stuff, including unlimited e-mails, CPanel, and even more.

      Register the name with GoDaddy, but get hosting from Hasweb.

      --

      Striking fear in the authors of godawful fanfiction, I am here, appearing in darkness, Tuxedo Jack!
    3. Re:Blogging Services useless to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet no one else on Slashdot has ever thought of this!

      Yes, but not many people I've talked to know it is even possible. I read Slashdot over seven months before I even realized something like this was avaliable.
      I was just trying to be informative. Perhaps there will be some random dude/dudette who will read my post and save themselves $30 a month on 'shared' hosting for a private domain.
      Not to say that I've found anyone on MSN or AIM who has the mental capacity to know how to set up *nix/BSD, or even Windows for that matter. But then again anyone with any technical knowledge about servers should know about...this...

      Crap... I just nullified my own post. :(

    4. Re:Blogging Services useless to me. by mrjackson2000 · · Score: 1

      i do the same thing for the price of registering a domain, and before that i used a free no-ip.com dns

    5. Re:Blogging Services useless to me. by Archon-X · · Score: 1

      you've only mentioned evil registrars (have a look out there for godaddy horror stories)

      www.namecheap.com is good. I can recommend them. And it's only 8.88US a pop, which if you're foreign like me, is about $0.30 in local currency :D

    6. Re:Blogging Services useless to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $50 only ?

      You can add forgot to add a few bills : initial price of the PC and cost of electricity and internet.

    7. Re:Blogging Services useless to me. by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1

      If you're looking for this on the cheap, you don't even need to pay for Custom DNS... you can get the cheap version and set up a subdomain like, oh, http://fennec.homedns.org (they have a variety of choices, including stuff like isa-geek.com, kicks-ass.com, blogdns.net, game-host.org, et cetera et cetera). It's not as cool as having your own domain, but it's still nice.

      --
      The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
    8. Re:Blogging Services useless to me. by finkployd · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you are missing the point. That $50 a year gets him more than you get. 2GB of disk? Heck my smallest machine has a 30GB disk in it. Unlimited email? Try unlimited services. Want to run Secure IMAP? A jabber server? Any server software you want? Your own virtual servers for friends? You can do all of that when you own and control the machine. Paying for a tiny amount of disk space on someone else's server and being limited to the server software they let you run does not appeal to everyone.

      Of course, more and more ISPs are blocking ports (like 80) in the aim of protecting users, so they are ceasing to be "internet service" providers and turning into "client gateways", but I digress.

      Finkployd

    9. Re:Blogging Services useless to me. by smacktits · · Score: 1

      Do they do shellhosting too? My domain is pointed at my home IP address. Unfortunately my ISP doesn't do reverse-DNS and the only one in the UK that does can't match the speed of what I have. ):

    10. Re:Blogging Services useless to me. by finkployd · · Score: 1

      It is not hard to get a free PC capable of running a web server comfortably, not to mention with much more disk space than just about any hosting provider will give you. Heck I know people who throw away Pentium 2s because they think they are useless (Windows XP doesn't run very well).

      I got a Sun Ultra 1 for $10, and I do not find the monthly power consumption to be even noticable on my bill.

    11. Re:Blogging Services useless to me. by prezkennedy.org · · Score: 1

      Wasting a bunch of time setting up a server and administrating it/keeping it up to date doesn't appeal to everyone either.

      You do keep it up to date right??

      --
      It started back in Team Fortress Classic
    12. Re:Blogging Services useless to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Wasting a bunch of time setting up a server and administrating it/keeping it up to date doesn't appeal to everyone either.

      True. But, since many of the users on slashdot are geeks/techies/administrators/developers, they tend to enjoy the "challenge" of being the administrator of their own server.

    13. Re:Blogging Services useless to me. by Quasimodoca · · Score: 1

      Having run a Win2k server at home for years (yeah havent upgraded it works w what i have)
      Being able to set up a chat server on the fly or drop a folder into my ftp server anytime i want or create hosts of virtual drives to whatever I needed eclipsed anything a hosted service could ever do for me.
      Running icecast to stream my music to work!

      http://icecast.org/

  15. oblig Monty P. by fizban · · Score: 1, Redundant

    "Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more."

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    +1 Insightful, -1 Troll. What can I say, I'm an Insightful Troll.

  16. The race is on... by dep01 · · Score: 0, Troll

    I'm surprised Google didn't beat them to the punch on this one... Who will take over the Internet first? Microsoft or Google?

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    1. Re:The race is on... by dep01 · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah... Blogger... D'oh! :)

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    2. Re:The race is on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google purchased Blogger a while back.

      I'd say they beat them to the punch...

    3. Re:The race is on... by Rogue+Pat · · Score: 1

      they did. it's called blogger.com

      Read the fine print on that page "Copyright © 1999 - 2004 Google "

    4. Re:The race is on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Short answer: Google
      Longer answer: Microsoft

  17. Go ahead, do it... by Chillybott · · Score: 1
    ...doing it your way doesn't mean there will be a smaller percentage of blithering idiots who will take advantage. Whether MS, /., or Mother Teresa's Sister's of Charity started an open access blog service, it's going to be generally incoherent rants of the small minded who think they are important because they now have a blog page.

    Hell, perhaps it's a good thing, let all the people realize that they are NOT Drudge or Maddox with this service, and then maybe this new buzzword in our vocabulary will settle back down once this project reaches post-apex and fades back into obscurity.

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  18. The Nudge function is essential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more?

  19. Actually, that sounds cool by bindster · · Score: 1

    Removing the web browser from the blogging equation, or at least extending the "blogosphere" to go beyond the usual web browser and RSS formats sounds cool. I don't use Messenger, but incorporating IM'ing with blogging just sounds like a really good idea. It seems like one of those "why didn't anyone think of this before" ideas.

    I wonder if it would be hard to incorporate RSS into Kopete or Gaim and then have it interface with blogspot (or whatever) so that you could submit entries and manage your blog, and blog buddy (blogs which are friends of your blog, or whatever) network from your IM client. You could also tie a person's blog to their IM entry, opening up more possibilities.

    That way you could have similar functionality as this new MS toy, but without the need to be tied to any particular blog host. You could then, conceivably, have plugins that go to blogspot, Google's blog thing, some other blog host, etc. (Yeah, actually I don't do blogs too much, I can't think of the names of too many blog hosting sites)

    To me, this sounds like the Right way to go.

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    1. Re:Actually, that sounds cool by aleander · · Score: 1

      It seems like one of those "why didn't anyone think of this before" ideas. They did. Have You never heard of Jogger?

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    2. Re:Actually, that sounds cool by Darren+Winsper · · Score: 1

      There's a good number of us who did. However, how would you suggest adding such functionality to MSN Messenger without Microsoft's blessing?

    3. Re:Actually, that sounds cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about writing your own using the published MSN messenger and (soon to be) blog protocols?

    4. Re:Actually, that sounds cool by Darren+Winsper · · Score: 1

      Are you certain the MSN protocol is that extensible?

  20. Most slate.msn.com chat sections seem very busy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    relative to /.
    MSN chat is subscription now too.
    So, the blog thing makes sense for MS.
    Ont the internet, the technically 'sophisticated' user is the exception Most people want to talk about their interests, which are not computer tech. They want to hang out with other mole hunters, gold fish swallowers, 18th century French lit enthusiasts, etc. IMO this is going to be a great success for microsoft.

  21. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  22. Remember: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it hasn't been proven to you by now, nothing should be. It doesn't matter who you are, or what your product is. If you are in the IT industry, the amount of time before Microsoft attempts to replace you is limited. Their first attempt may not be good, and may not succeed. But either way, if you are in software development, your time is marked. Some day Microsoft WILL come for you. And when they do, they will do so with no concern as to profit, or as to whether it makes business sense, or anything else. They will do it just to leave themselves as the only viable player in the market. And once they start, they will keep trying until they succeed.

    This is why in the long run, Open Source is the only viable way to develop software. Not because open source is inherently better than commercial/proprietary software development; just because Microsoft has made commercial software development unsustainable.

    1. Re:Remember: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lame and defeatist. There are hundreds of companies doing well in desktop software. Just not a lot at the billion dollar level.

  23. I love a man with a long memory... by gmknobl · · Score: 1

    Well, I do! It reminds me of my first days in college before my memory was fr...

    Uh... Uh... uh???

    What was I talking about?

    Must be all the free beer from NOAA.

    http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=131430&cid =10971934

  24. Re:I only have one thing to add... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    error: only superusers can mount volumes.

  25. I am gonna do this regardless, by tod_miller · · Score: 0

    Microsoft, being thier usual innovative self have brought us a new version of an IM client, and a new DNS to atatch to our blogs.

    *IF* it comes with XyZ mb's of image hosting, then ok, might be a good service, but for now seems like a catch-up-quick. Plus it needs one of these passport things, I tried placing mine up on the screen, but it ain't having it, maybe the picture is too old.

    Passports, pah. Anyone remember the wallet service?

    In Korea, Only Old People Use Hotmail.

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  26. That didn't take long by Dethboy · · Score: 1

    When I try to hit any of the recently updated or new blogs - the page times out...

  27. Re:I only have one thing to add... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    superusers? you mean like cocaine?

  28. And not forgetting... by shird · · Score: 2, Informative

    New features include: Winks, Set Status Before Login, Drag and Drop Backgrounds and Feedback.

    And, as been mentiond, a huge amount of bloat. Plus 'buy emoticons', 'backgrounds', 'winks' etc spam littered throughout the program with direct links to MS sites to buy shitty little pictures which you can get for free. The "for sale" emoticons are more prominently placed and larger and in the way than the emoticons you actually use. The whole thing is just a way to sell that crap. A blantent sell out.

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    1. Re:And not forgetting... by fzammett · · Score: 1

      Wow, a business trying to make money in a new market. The horror.

      I know that many who sit on the F/OSS side of the fence simply don't get this, so I'll talk slow and use small words...

      MICROSOFT...IS...A...BUSINESS.

      THEIR...JOB...IS...TO...MAKE...MONEY.

      Get it? Got it? GOOD!

      I'm not saying their tactics are always clean, indeed they frequently are not. But come on... selling added value to a blog service is fine. I'm with you that no one should spend their hard-earned money on emoticons, but there is nothing wrong with MS doing this.

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    2. Re:And not forgetting... by ^DA · · Score: 0

      Dont forget the search linking directly to M$ searchengine. No doubt it will soon be linking to the new searchengine.

      It must nice to be a monopoly! ...bastards

    3. Re:And not forgetting... by shird · · Score: 1

      Except is there really a need to embed such shopping links hardcoded throughout the program? Sell that crap on the MSN web page or something, spamming their own software detracts from the usability of the program. This isnt a web page we are talking about. They have basically taken a program and made it into an ad delivery piece of software. They are trying to encourage people to use it to use the MSN network, no one wants to sign up to be spammed. There are many ad-free alternatives. They could spam IE with heaps of hardcoded shopping links etc, but they let the user remove them. The IM software field is not much different from the browsers in this respect.

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    4. Re:And not forgetting... by fzammett · · Score: 1

      I'd certainly agree that *I* would prefer this garbage not litering the application. But, it's important to note that *I* (and you) consider it garbage, others may not.

      And regardless of how you or I may classify it, my original point was simply that there's nothing wrong with this, which is the opposite of what many posters have said (not you by the way). MS isn't doing anything illegal, they aren't playing unfairly, it's just business. It's marketing.

      It's not going to work on me, I'm no more inclined to buy what they hard-code, nor am I more inclined to use their search tools, or anything else, but there's nothing inherently wrong with them doing it, that's all I was saying. Whether it makes the app less useful or not is something we can debate (I'd tend to agree that it does), but that's different from whether they are doing anything "wrong".

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  29. This on says it all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol. Check out the "wtf is blog?" entry lol.

  30. Irrelevant Links by echocharlie · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why the links to "every other blog"? Those are not blog sites, just links to blogging software. More appropriate links would have been to sites like these.

    1. Re:Irrelevant Links by satoshi1 · · Score: 1

      That's because if you're going to set up a 'blog,' you might as well understand how it works and do all the software stuff yourself. I've used Blogger, and I've also used MovableType. Currently I am on WordPress. Blogger was just way too easy, there was nothing to understand, other than "I put text here, hit 'update,' w00t!" MovableType and WordPress require the user to set up a database (last I checked, only WP needed a database) and understand how their server works. It ensures that those who use it are at least somewhat capable, or else have enough money to pay someone else to do it for them.

  31. Re:I only have one thing to add... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    On the surface of it she is very attractive, however we must bear in mind that she is a product of the Microsoft machine. Give MS past history we can be assured that:
    1. She has a missing leg
    2. She is illiterate
    3. She seems perfectly nice but for no apparent reason lashes out in anger at the nearest person, causing bodily damage
    4. She is very expensive on a night out, but then forgets your name
      And most importantly:
    5. She is a man

    (Actually, I'm sure she is lovely and I would be a very lucky man indeed if I knew her, but the opportunity for humour is too great)
  32. First Microsoft blog by robyannetta · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hi, my name is Rob, and I'm a Linux advoc*$#*&^ NO CARRIER ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    HELLO. MY NAME IS ROB AND I AM A MICROSOFT ADVOCATE.

    [insert MSN advertisments here]

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    1. Re:First Microsoft blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marge comes in with the mail.

      Marge: Lisa, you got a letter.
      Lisa: It's from my pen-pal Anya! [reads]
      Anya: [voice over] Dear Lisa, as I write this, I am very sad. Our
      president has been overthrown and
      [voice changes to that of a man]
      replaced by the benevolent general Krull. All hail Krull and his
      glorious new regime! Sincerely, Little Girl.

  33. Agreed by yup+that's+me · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is what businesses do: they attempt to gain control of as many markets as possible, and it's becoming clear that blogging is a new market. Argue against the quality of the software, point out that Microsoft seems to be lacking in innovative new ideas, argue that people really shouldn't try to make money from the internet, claim that customers might get better products by having companies specialise in providing only a few really good services rather than having fingers in thousands of pies, but don't bitch against Microsoft for doing what profit-making companies try to do, which is be involved in whole markets as the best way to get rid of competition and therefore the best way to make money.

  34. Moderation? by MacGod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder if there will be moderation of blogs. If for example, I create a vehemently anti-Microsoft blog (possibly one that borders on slander), will the block/censor it? How does this work on other blogs?

    I think the question is more valid for Microsoft's blog service because there are more anti-Microsoft people than anti-Google people (or whatever). And many of the anti-Microsoft people would find it cute or ironic to post an anti-Microsoft blog on Microsoft's own servers.

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    1. Re:Moderation? by thegrue76 · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has certainly set themselves up as being able to do this.

      As is pointed out on BoingBoing. IANAL, but it certainly looks like you're handing over all copyright on your work to Microsoft the moment you post it. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

      To the best of my knowledge, no other blogging service has such clauses, and is enough for me to think of the MS blogging service as something evil.

    2. Re:Moderation? by Better.Safe.Than.Sor · · Score: 1

      I tried to add the work fuck to my tagline and it wasn't accepted. If Dick Cheney . . . blah blah . . .

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  35. Re:Freedom to innovate. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Innovate?

    http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Innovat io n

    innovation Audio pronunciation of "Innovation" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-vshn)
    n.

    1. The act of introducing something new.
    2. Something newly introduced.

    New idea - I don't think so.

  36. Re:Freedom to innovate. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first funny post in this discussion is marked as redundant. I applaud mods.

  37. Blogim by tinla · · Score: 2, Informative


    BlogIM has allowed you to update your blog via IM for ages.

    (Although the site is a tad stalled. And it remains, as is famously the case for all the author's projects, about 2 weeks from true completion).

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    1. Re:Blogim by iMMersE · · Score: 1

      You've not seen the latest one yet - I'm actually planning on getting finished before unleashing it!

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  38. Browser wars by Leeesher · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Note: With the latest version of Internet Explorer you can take advantage of richer customization options." is the message it shows when I use firefox. Slick m$. Slick. Although.. in all honesty, when I read that, I did think.. "hm...maybe I SHOULD dust off good ol' IE and see how it looks.."

    1. Re:Browser wars by Tylerious · · Score: 1

      Sue the bastards.

    2. Re:Browser wars by dswensen · · Score: 1

      "Good" old IE?

      You have been gone a while.

  39. Why must the editors suck? by rubberband · · Score: 1
    What the hell is wrong with the editors writing the bylines? Microsoft is entering a product into a sector of internet services they have not before. Naturally the rational reaction is to call it a takeover attempt.

    It's called competition. They aren't buying out existing services and squashing smaller providers (well, yet)

    Note that I don't particualarly care about MS in any way, really. But article text like this makes the editors look childish and less credible, which is a disservice to the comunity.

    1. Re:Why must the editors suck? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Darn those silly editors for doing ridiculous things like assuming Microsoft's past actions can be used as a predictor for Microsoft's future actions.

    2. Re:Why must the editors suck? by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      you have _no_ idea how slashdot works do you?

      The summary text is not written by a member of the slashdot staff - it is exactly what was submitted by "Jeff Clark".

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  40. Yep! by jav1231 · · Score: 1

    Another case of "Anything you can do I can do better...though not necessarily as securely" from M$. Say it with me, kids, Microsoft is to software as Satan is too????

  41. Standards by oexeo · · Score: 1

    Do Microsoft have any standards when it comes to (X)HTML documents? they use single quotes, double quotes, and no-quotes to delimit HTML attributes, indentation ranges from tabs, to spaces, to none at all, and CSS ranges from being specified in-line tag attributes, to being specified inside style tags, to including it from an external file. And their span ridden excuse for semantics certainly is not XHTML compliant.

    If they can't unify simple HTML documents, how the hell the they organize code for an entire OS? Oh yeah, that's right, they don't.

  42. Missing New Feature by ThatDamnMurphyGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    New features include: Winks, Set Status Before Login, Drag and Drop Backgrounds and Feedback.


    The only new feature I want to see is for MSN Messenger to stop fargin using IE even though I set my default browser to Firefox!

    Even if I setup a new computer for someone and hide IE, and insteall Firefox, the minute they hit that damn "x new messages" email popup in Messenger, they're using IE and the viri/spyware starts rolling in.
    1. Re:Missing New Feature by Pxtl · · Score: 1

      Disable the "x new messages" thing so that messenger doesn't check their email for them.

    2. Re:Missing New Feature by ThatDamnMurphyGuy · · Score: 1
      Disable the "x new messages" thing so that messenger doesn't check their email for them.


      Well, this works for the popup message, but the link in the top of the main messenger window still has the same problem, of even any link send in a message that you click on I believe.
    3. Re:Missing New Feature by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Offline message delivery would be nice too. ICQ had this way back in '98. Jabber's had it since its creation. It's really not hard to do.

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    4. Re:Missing New Feature by -kertrats- · · Score: 1

      Why not set them up with Trillian set to an MSN skin?

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  43. Re:I only have one thing to add... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but you are guaranteed to get fucked! woooo!

  44. who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use blogger and don't care to change. why would I, it's too much hassle.

    1. Re:who cares by amrust · · Score: 1

      I think they're targeting NEW users, mainly.

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    2. Re:who cares by jav1231 · · Score: 1

      Well, they will get their existing base; those who already use MSN, for instance. I think most people who already use various other sites and applications will go where they are comfortable. Now if they implement a client that interacts with their blog and integrate it into the next Windows then they will obviously increase their use base.

  45. pwnt. by Leeesher · · Score: 1

    ... /. haxors m$oft.

    :D

  46. yawn: another MS copycat product by peter303 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    When are we going to see something truely new from MicroSoft? After all they have one of the world's largest R&D labs which is well-respected at academic conferences. Yet commercially all we hear is one copycat prodcut after another, back to the beginning years of MS.

    1. Re:yawn: another MS copycat product by Winterblink · · Score: 1

      And how many text editors come with the average distro of Linux? How many browsers are available? For that matter, how many different non-MS blogging products are out there? If you're going to bash Microsoft for this, then bash MovableType, or Mozilla for daring to develop a competing web browser.

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    2. Re:yawn: another MS copycat product by finkployd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The difference is that these products are coming from people volunteering their free time to write them. They are scratching a specific itch, or filling a need by producing software that in some cases is better than commercial counterparts.

      Microsoft is spending billions on R&D, hiring the best minds it can, so I would hope they are being held to a higher standard than some geeks who write software for themselves and their friends. Yet we see that even with this diference, Microsoft still just ends up copying everyone else and making (in many cases) poorer quality software than the open source geeks.

      Finkployd

  47. private SSL+password protected area by brlewis · · Score: 1

    You can use my creation, ourdoings.com, in this way by only saving drafts, not publishing. If you want to share drafts with a few others, you can authorize them as contributors to your blog.

  48. skins are nearly pointless by brlewis · · Score: 1

    If you want to differentiate your blog, focus on content. Express your real-life experience as effectively as you can. When you start to run out of interesting content, that's when it's time to focus on skins.

  49. Uh, yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They've failed in the personal-mp3-player area but good luck watching video on the web [i]anywhere[/i] anymore without a copy of windows media player. Which means if you're not a windows user good luck watching video on the internet, because WMP for mac is a horribly broken piece of software.

    1. Re:Uh, yeah by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      That's funny, because the only videos I can't watch on the internet are the ones that require the crap that is real player. You sure you aren't just a moron? Or maybe macs really do suck that badly.

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    2. Re:Uh, yeah by a8o · · Score: 1

      Try http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternati ve.htmReal alternative It does what RealPlayer does without the bloatware/adware which Realplayer has. It uses windows media classic which is a fairly lightweight media player for video mostly.

    3. Re:Uh, yeah by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      Which would be pretty sweet if I ran Windows more than once a month. There's probably a way to play that crap with mplayer or something, but I am already in my pajamas.

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  50. What's the next one? Yahoo? by johnskiller · · Score: 1

    Oh, MSN started blog service, wait a minuts. thay start beta Aug. this year in japan MSN Japan and the English version is still in beta?
    At lease I have not seen BETA in Japanese version.
    I've heard that Yahoo BB will start their blog service next year and it WILL be more powerful than MSN's.

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  51. blog = mirror for narcissist?? by B5_geek · · Score: 4, Funny

    As if the "internet-generaton" isn't full enough of themselves, why dear $deity are blogs so bloody popular?

    I just don't get it. If you are so self-absorbed that you feel the need to publish every thought & whim about yourself on the web (as if the anybody on the planet actually cared about you), how/why would you then go searching for and reading other peoples mutterings?

    As a previous person stated, there used to be a barrier to entry that prevented a lot of this drivel from poluting the electrons; but alas now it's easy to whine and pout in public.

    I think Fight Club got it right: "You are not a beautiful & unique butterfly." We are faulty-carbon units that need a swift kick in the ass more then we are getting.

    People please, get over yourselves. * If you agree with anything that I have stated here, please come to my blog at http://blah.blah/ at sign my guestbook! **

    *PS: I was not refering to any of the beautiful butterflies that visit /.
    **PPS: For the humour impaired - I was joking

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    1. Re:blog = mirror for narcissist?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      **PPS: For the humour impaired - I was joking

      That's too bad! I was agreeing, and then you go and say that you're joking.

    2. Re:blog = mirror for narcissist?? by finkployd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Some of them are truly interesting and insightful. The rest are of no consequence, and their existence does not bother me.

      Just like everything else on the internet.

      Just like everything else in the real world.

      Finkployd

    3. Re:blog = mirror for narcissist?? by Mant · · Score: 1

      Sturgeon's Law, 90% of everything is crap. Unfortunately as the barrier gets lower the 90% becomes 95%, 99%, 99.9%. On the plus side there is more good stuff, you just have to be able to find it amoungst all the noise.

    4. Re:blog = mirror for narcissist?? by miceuz · · Score: 1

      think of blogs as of just another way to communicate over internet, a new incarnation of web forums or usenet. sometimes a unique personal worldview is much more valuable than one of "professional journalist" or "professional writer" now think of a network formed of unique personal worldviews, the real world as touched by subjective human beings. of course you have to dig out a lot of shit before you find anything valuable to you :)

    5. Re:blog = mirror for narcissist?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that is funny. there are other uses for blogs. I keep one as a technical journal for myself. since I don't have perfect memory, I find it useful as a repository for various technology related issues I discover. this way, if I need access it, I can no matter where I am. so there are other reasons for blogging.

    6. Re:blog = mirror for narcissist?? by Nplugd · · Score: 1

      I have a blog, not because I think I'm a fascinating person, but just because I figured it's an easy way to give news to family and friends. Before that I used to put a lot of time and efforts in e-mails (and before that, I even even used to WRITE regular mails, can you believe that), that only a few could read and forget right away.
      Now that I do that on a website, it feels like it's more worth it. More people will read it, and I always have some feedback. You could rightfully argue that there's not point spending so much time rambling about your own life, but I guess I need it. Put things in perspective, sorta.
      Just my 2c anyway.

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  52. I'm competition and I'm not going away by brlewis · · Score: 1

    I use my own blogging site myself to keep family and friends updated. Thanks to User-Mode Linux hosting, I can keep it going even if I end up being the only user. Currently it's used by 5 households total, all people I know, but it's open to anyone who will pay $6/month. I'm not going to stop adding worthwhile features because I use it myself. Here are some of the worthwhile features already there:

    • Upload a zip file of digital photos, and the timestamps are used to sort them out by date and prompt you to put in entries for those dates.
    • Extended families can create a collaborative site -- same price as an individual site.
    • Crossposting is easy. E.g. if you belong to 3 communities of 20 people each, you could potentially follow only 3 blogs instead of 50.
    • You don't have to visit the blogs to see what's new. You can sign up for email updates and get HTML-formatted entries complete with image thumbnails.

    I'm not done putting in features, and I'm not going away.

  53. Feature missing from list by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 1

    There's a feature missing from that list that's quite a terrible omission - "break all 3rd party MSN clients - again."

    How often do they release without that gem of a feature? Hell, they even enhance and update it between releases!

    In fairness, they're quite within their rights in doing so, but you'd think they'd break 3rd party clients PROPERLY if they were going to, eg require TLS with the right client cert. That way, third party products would have to bundle a cert that the MSN license said was only licensed for use with MSN. I suspect their legal ground would then be rather shakier (but then again, so would MS's anti-trust status).

    1. Re:Feature missing from list by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't seem to have broken existing clients. I've not updated the MSN transport on my Jabber server for at least a year, and it's still working fine. When they do break it (as they did with TLS), none of the users of my server need to upgrade anything in their client, they just wait for the server to be updated. The upshot of this is that it's faster for Jabber users to upgrade to a new MSN protocol than MSN users (since they often take ages to download a new version of the client).

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  54. My blog is for me by Stone316 · · Score: 1
    Personally I don't have a blog so others have something to do while surfing the net. Its pretty boring actually.. I post some of the stories that catch my eye, things going on in my life, my dreams, etc.

    Like a PnP journal, it will be nice to go back and see some of the things that interested me in 10,20 hopefully 50 years. The benefit to having it online is that I could post/read from my phone if I wanted to.

    Personally, i'm not a 'phone talker'... So friends and family (whom most of which I live a great distance from) can login, see whats going on and see some recent pictures of our adventures.

    Now saying that, I wish my blog had a 'private' area where I could post some of my thoughts.. Those damn web crawlers pick up on everything!! You can't really make a post about the new co-op student if your wife's mom is reading the site!

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  55. Messenger? No thanks. by smacktits · · Score: 0

    Now all the lamers are going to be doing backflips at this; noisy animated smileys, "nudges", even more gay features. Why people think this is great, I do not know. The last version of Messenger that was actually an acceptable IM client, as far as MSN goes, was v5.0.

    When on Windows I get constantly bombarded with whining from people, "omg u have 2 get the new messenger it is kool man wit all the new featurez an shit!!!1". No thanks.

    God bless Bitlbee, CenterICQ and, to a lesser extent, Trillian Pro. Now if only Trillian Pro supported keeping all your message sessions in a single tabbed window, I would be a happy man.

    1. Re:Messenger? No thanks. by Khuffie · · Score: 1

      It does, and it has done so since version 2. Go to your Message Windows in preferences, there's something about containers and what have you. It's a bit confusing in v2, the v3 alpha has a much friendlier preferences window.

  56. That isn't a feature. by gosand · · Score: 1
    They forgot to include the ability to have your system come to a crawl at an even faster pace with quicker ad and spam delivery

    Well, sure, if you want to call "architecture design" a feature.

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  57. Sniffle... by angryduck · · Score: 1

    Regardless of the fact of whether or not I would actually use this blogging service, it is slightly annoying to see that a crafty 32 year old asian guy has managed to get 'my' spaces account before me. What I mean by this is, you log into the spaces website by using your passport (ex: fred@hotmail.com) and then you choose an extension for your blogs site (ex: if I was fred@hotmail.com I would want spaces.msn.com/members/fred) only to find that someone (probably fred328) has stolen the one linked to your email address. This makes me sad.

  58. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    microsoft are looking for more product (you) to sell to their advertisers and their curerewnt portfolio isnt delivering a ROI

    viewing source on their site and witnessing the mess of link tracking and webbugs and cookies with guid's makes MSN's network nothing more than a marketing and advertising machine designed to extract as much information from visitors as it can

  59. Bwahahahaha by brlewis · · Score: 1

    You're doomed! Doomed! Soon they will also expect you to get an email subscription to receive their blog entries and photos every day.

  60. *sigh* by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1

    It amazes me how many people STILL use the glaringly inadequate and annoying MSN Messenger service, when there is much better competition available.

    Every new version of MSN adds more stupid useless widgets while ignoring the fact that the underlying protocol is a pile of shite. But of course the newbies fucking love it, which means everyone else has to follow suit. Ta, Microsoft.

    Mind you, I am the writer of this so I might be a lil biased :)

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  61. Free Wordpress hosting by jbrw · · Score: 1

    I'll see your MSN Spaces, and raise you some free wordpress hosting.

    Weee!

    The knee-jerk reaction might be a "huh-huh! MS sucks goats, Beavis!", but anything to add to the, ahem, blogosphere is probably a good thing for us all. 99% of it will be dross, but a handfull of good writing-type people (ie, not me) will appear on MSN Spaces, and we'll all be better for it.

    Maybe.

  62. Renaming messenger contacts locally? by Koyaanisqatsi · · Score: 1


    Anyone knows if the new beta will finally allow one to locally rename its contacts, like you can with ICQ, for example?

    I use Messenger for work communications, and it annoys the heck out of me that I have to live with whatever the other person decided to set their screen name this morning ... I much rather set it myself and have it never change, thank you!

  63. betavideo.my.msn.com by Mir322 · · Score: 1

    So i had some free time on my hands and fiddled with this new MS stuff. I wonder what they're upto with this:

    MSN Toolbar/options/ popup guard settings / tab allow list/ http://betavideo.my.msn.com

    ????

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  64. Blogger by mtrupe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seems to me that Blogger is already taking over the blog space. It seems that MS is a day late and a dollar short in this arena. MS seems doesn't seem to compete very well in the Internet arena (outside of Explorer, and people are now discovering the Firefox is a much better browser). Once you have a blog, its hard to switch blog providers. http://fromthemorning.blogspot.com/

  65. Sheesh by James.Stanton · · Score: 1

    Yeah, screw them and their new products! If only they would stop releasing any product the world would be such a better place.

  66. MS has been /.'ed by randomErr · · Score: 1
    I just got this error:
    Space not available
    The MSN Spaces network is being upgraded and is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later.
    Before it crashed, it looked like a nice interface. It just didn't have a whole lot of options.
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  67. STILL can't rename my contacts, use away messages by semafour · · Score: 1

    While MSN is much nicer to look at and is much more responsive than ICQ, I am amazed that even with this new release, there is *still* no ability to locally rename contacts. You have to view your list by email address or "Display Name", which is something your contact sets and you cannot change. This results in some very unreadable contact lists, as people throw presence information (or other random messages) into their Display Name.

    It's nice to know that somebody on my list hates the holidays, but I really wish i didn't have to hover over their display "name" to see their email address, and then figure out who that address belongs to just to see who it is! Really, renaming your contacts is not a feature that should require an add-on.

  68. search spaces by b100dian · · Score: 1

    Yup. Let's search Msn Spaces and see who's actually writing a blog which includes the word 'Microsoft'.
    Guess what? It searches with beta.search.msn.com and you guys'll never find out the answer..
    Then again, it has _blank targets on links... come on, I know how to middle click something..
    Then again you have to remember the password to the dotnet passport.. which I havent' used for years..
    That's enough reviewing, passons

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  69. Re:True... Developers, developers developers!!! by xtermin8 · · Score: 1

    In fact Microsoft seems to have been interested in leveraging superior knowledge against the average person. Actually they use business knowlege against people with technical backgrounds, too.

  70. That used to be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pilot = Manager
    Office dweller = Engineer

  71. Oh yeah! M$ knows the perverted morons out there by crovira · · Score: 1

    "send pictures from your camera-phone directly to your Space. Now you can let Mom know just exactly what happened at that party last night!"

    I don't think its going to be MOM who gets the picture. Get the picture? The party last night is going to be the peep show and the participants were unaware (and unpaid.)

    And of course there will be something about it which makes it incompatible with the published standard but still work with M$ media center.

    I used to think: "There ought to be a law."
    Then I found out there was.
    Then I saw how it was applied.

    I'm gonna go out and post copyright violations and unsustecting teen porn pics on the M$ blogs because if they apply that law (its slander, libel, calunmny) like they did the anti-tust one, I'm laughing, mate.

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  72. Re:Had to do it once by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Thanks to space.microsoft.com, I present to you Microsoft-Sucks.

  73. hell, my karma is pretty low so... by hostylocal · · Score: 0

    ...i'm going to say that i like it!
    but that is probably because i haven't fully explorered the options and, contrary to slashdot membership criteria, i actually have friends who _aren't_ geeks. explaining to them why they shouldn't use something that comes with their pc just takes too much effort. besides, i'm too busy plugging the holes in their security settings ;)

  74. your life - Copyright owned by Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be careful to read the EULA before blogging all your family photos to Microsoft's sight...

    You might be loosing a lot more than you are gaining.

  75. Re:Myspace.com already does this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because Myspace screws up all the time and it's slow.

    It is like MSN Spaces in that apparently (according to the webmaster) if you have issues, you should be using Windows IE (and everyone else can go screw).

  76. Wicked Cool! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then all blogs could be littered with posts that simply read:

    sup?

  77. Microsoft and Big Companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The American IT company can payback companies like Microsoft and your former boss who laid you off. How? Join and support Open Source. Help with the quality and support of the software and you will see Microsoft and other such companies loose billions. You will also see your former employer paying you top consulting dollars for you to intergrate open source technologies into the enterprise. Offshoring will not help these companies once the customer base goes to OpenSource. Support Mono,JBoss,OpenOffice, OpenGrouware Apache etc. These technologies can put money into your packet.Join the world in supporting opensource as the defacto standard instead of Microsoft Sun and Oracle

  78. Where do you want your thoughts to go, today? by behindthewall · · Score: 1

    Where's the obligatory neural tap to feed this thing?

  79. Re:yawn: another slashdot copycat post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when will slashdotters come up with a new criticism of microsoft other than "bah! this isn't innovation!"

  80. Orkut too by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

    Google also has orkut, which is similiar to this service.

    First off, MSNblog's competitors are blogger, myspace, friendster, etc. Perhaps even orkut if it wasn't invite only.

    MS is just way too late to the game. They'll get their "defaulters," people who never change their homepage, use MSN messenger because its there, etc. So essentailly a community of techno-phobe office workers and kids. This demographic is also chock full of spyware and probably can't keep IE running for more than two minutes without a spyware related crash, so I doubt blogger and friendster are shaking in their boots.

  81. Mini Hompy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in Korea MSN has already ripped off www.cyworld.com the leading provider of mini hompy.. which just about every single korean person seems to have.. with http://www.msnplus.co.kr/ the MSN mini Hompy site.. microsoft loves stealing ideas

    1. Re:Mini Hompy by Krojack · · Score: 1

      If MS they can't buy then out.. they rip them off and do their best to force them out of business...

  82. Re:Myspace.com already does this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well give it a few days/months and M$ will either
    buy out OR force $MY SPACE out business with some idiotic patent issue........

  83. Re:yawn: another slashdot copycat post by torqer · · Score: 2, Funny
    Probably the same day when they realize that have a common look and feel and easy of use means a lot more to Joe Sixpack than being able to edit the html code on his blog.

    I'm not saying no features is better, but I'm not certain how many people I'd trust with features like that. Some people can use it effectively, others... not so much. For Instances, how many the "geek" slashdotters forget to close the Italics/bold tags and type the remainder of the their message an annoyingly hard to read font?

  84. Re:Myspace.com already does this by Tylerious · · Score: 1

    My Space is exactly like LiveJournal unless I'm mistaken. It actually used to be uJournal until that went under. Not to try to frighten you or anything, but I'd be cautious about it before you go trusting your life to their databases.

  85. BETA! by Khuffie · · Score: 1

    Everyone here, including the poster, forgot one important thing: this is a beta! Things could change in the final release! Errors will happen, bugs will occur. Things will go down.

    And I love all this talk about how Microsoft bundles software and is therefore evil. Apple bundles iTunes, iMovie, Safari, Mail, Quicktime, iChat and other programs with OS X. But on the other hand, when Microsoft bundles IE, it's evil. When it bundles media player, it's evil. When it bundles MSN, it's evil.

    Well, if they didn't, they'd be seen as having the inferior product (yes, we know all you geeks say XP is the inferior product already...but all the non-geeks will begin to think that too). Right now, in terms of functionality right out of the box, both XP and OS X are basically the same.

    As for this, I don't really care much for MSN Spaces, or blogger, or what have you. Microsoft is trying to create a hub for it's users in one place, with hotmail, MSN, blogging, search, all in one place. It's much more fun than managing a different account for everything. Most people don't care that you can't rewrite the HTML code. They just want something where they can type something, post it, and other people can read it with minimal fuss. Basically, something that just works. (And once again, this is still a beta).

    I don't really care for all these blog sites or blog software. Writing your own code that does exactly what you want is very easy if you know a little PHP/MySQL (and I know very little). And I'll probably be voted as a troll here just for not being anti-MS. Wee.

  86. Try it out by DelawareBoy · · Score: 1

    The real test is to try it out and create an anti-Microsoft blog.. If it is blocked, it might make a good slashdot topic.

  87. Patent pending? by ldeviator · · Score: 0

    So can we expect a MS patent on blogging here soon?

  88. anyone want to bet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it sucks and scales like a fish on a barbeque. Oh wait, it's already /.-ed.

  89. As an added plus: by bs_02_06_02 · · Score: 1

    When your box is hacked, not only will the hacker get your tax records, passwords, and email, they'll also get all of your thoughts and wishes.

    You might as well unlock the front door of your residence.

    Thanks Bill.

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    1. Re:As an added plus: by aichpvee · · Score: 1

      I fooled them by not having a lock.

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  90. All you need to know about photo blogs... by eno2001 · · Score: 1

    ...is at yafro.com. That nightmare hellshow over there gives you a pretty good idea what combining something like Slashdot (which is really just a glorified blog) with photo capabilities. Which means that you know that MS will censor posts... Yeah. The Internet is sure the "great liberator" of the people. Right.

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  91. Never? by bs_02_06_02 · · Score: 1

    About Google. As much as they are an information powerhouse (scary!), I trust them that they aren't going to leave my machine WIDE OPEN TO THE INTERNET!. Implementing a "MSN Messenger" function is gonna be tough. Patents are going to get in the way. But also, security is going to be tough. Instant SPAM is a problem.
    I give Google credit for waiting... and maybe NOT putting out a messenging product at all?
    One thing about google: They don't seem to want to repeat the mistakes of others. To MS's defense, Google has never built an OS and sold it to the public.
    Google has good ideas, and they don't implement them until they have security figured out. In contrast, MS rolls out products and lets the real world figure out security for them. It's cheaper that way, faster to market, and how does it damage their reputation? It doesn't. MS and security are oxymorons.

    Wall Street seems to respect MS's behavior, as it adds to the bottom line. Every day we hear about a new security problem, and everyday, MS's stock price is steadily climbing.

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  92. Can EULA give them ownership of your content? by juanfe · · Score: 1

    To get an MS Blog, you have to sign up for it.
    To sign up for it, you have to get Passport.
    To get passport, you have to agree to their EULA.
    Their EULA says:
    "All content and software (if any) that is made available to view and/or download from the Web pages that are part of the .NET Passport Services ("Software") is owned by and is the copyrighted work of Microsoft and/or its suppliers. "

    So, in essence, they could claim that as a virtue of creating content on their blog site, part of .NET Passport Services, you grant them copyright over it... that is, they'd have to explicitly recognize you as one of Microsoft's suppliers, no?

    Just a thought.

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  93. I don't get Blogs? by Barsema · · Score: 1

    If my life were interresting enough for a blog, I wouldn't have the time for one ;-)

  94. MS Blogs : slow, SLOW ... by mdebar · · Score: 1

    and even S L O W !!!

  95. Re:I don't get Blogs? by geeksgirl · · Score: 1

    My life isn't interesting enough for a blog, yet that's exactly the reason I have a blog - to totally make up stuff to impress faceless strangers. And just so that no one calls me on the BS I post, I don't use my real name (exactly like when I post on /.)

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  96. Terrible blogs! by mtrupe · · Score: 1

    I was looking at the blogs at MSN- they were ALL terrible. Everyone single one that I found. I couldn't believe it. So.... I wrote my own rules for blogging: http://fromthemorning.blogspot.com/2004/12/blog.ht ml http://fromthemorning.blogspot.com/

  97. WILL THEY STOP AT NOTHING! by voteforkerry78 · · Score: 1

    I think its safe to say we can blame this on the lawmakers everywhere. Microsoft should be split into Micro-microsofts. I bet Bill Gates would be awesome @ monopoly. I'm usually the hot rod :-)

  98. Can you get a virus from posting a blog? by konstantinlevin · · Score: 1

    Looks like we're about to find out. Prepare to be 0wned, MS blogger!

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  99. Re:Had to do it once by Zonnald · · Score: 1

    No slashdot effect here?

  100. Joined to test it - Verdict by Jackdaw+Rookery · · Score: 1
    I've used Blogger, Movable Type, Livejournal and WordPress; so I thought I'd give it a try and see what 'Spaces' was like.

    On my WordPress blog, http://www.creationrobot.com/, I give a brief rundown of what features it offers and what it is like to use. I also give my verdict on wether this can compete against its target - Blogger.

    In summery, it can. For the mass market Microsoft have put together a simple to use blog. It's easier and offers more than Blogger.

    Spaces annoyed the hell out of me though - it wasn't customisable and it is utterly Microsoft centric (for example the music list has to come from WMP). But then I'm not its target audience - Nascar loving Joe Public is, and they will like it for its Apple-like simplicity.

    Expect this built into Messenger soon.

  101. Embraced and extended. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So instead of 'Blogger', they name it 'Clogger'.

    Finally, one name that makes sense.

  102. How much did you have to drink? by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    You might have been more drunk than you think... that wasn't a blonde chick, it was a golden retriever.

  103. Total Internet Domination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In yet another attempt to take over all of the Internet . . .

    You say that as if it's a bad thing. Isn't this the goal of every self-respecting geek?