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Justin Frankel Reveals Life After Winamp
Joseph Gelinas writes "Speaking out for the first time on life after AOL/Nullsoft, Winamp creator Justin Frankel sat down with BetaNews to discuss his new endeavors. Starting a new company called Cockos, Frankel is leaving behind the mass market for his musical roots, but hints at revolutionary -- and presumably controversial -- things to come."
I'm not clicking a link with a name like that. I'm afraid it might be a goatse troll...
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As someone who plays guitar, the Jesusonic looks interesting. Real time effects processing on a computer would allow an amazing amount of customizations of sounds on the fly. However, it doesn't seem very portable despite being a floor device. I don't see someone taking the monstrosity to a jam session. I think it would be more annoying being on the floor than just at a desk. Jesusonic has to be easier than programming those rack mount processors. Hopefully Jesusonic can grow into something to replace the cost prohibitive Pro Tools.
JF: Naming projects is often the hardest part. When I first started, it just came out. A moment of either stupidity (likely) or brilliance (not likely), we'll see. Yeah, its obviously hard for him, with names like Cockos, AssSniffer, and Jesusonic.
Starting a new company called Cockos
That's a definite no-no...
Justin and co. always writes great utilities, but it's really hard to suggest to your boss that the company should be using a tool called "asssniffer" or "ASS I/O".
Not really sure why but a lot of the marketing types around my office jam in bands and are very tech savvy.
.... Sounds like a hacker's grand ideal really.
I see this kind of product if promoted correctly having a very nice niche market among hardcore keyboard junkies and techy musician types.
Very interesting idea.
Hardware and software I want to use.
Hhhhhmmm
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Primarily these are a program called Assniffer (which is a HTTP sniffing program that logs the actual files transferred), and PathSync (which I use to interactively synchronize directories on different computers/drives). These are both available on cockos.com.
assniffer, logs, cockos...you put it together...
I was going to ask what kind of crack he was sniffing and if he'd share, but I guess that's not the best question given the application 'assniffer'.
Not only is it useful on computers, it allows people who don't want to spend money on a Jesusonic hardware device to go ahead and write new effects for the Jesusonic.
Now there is someone who is completely devoid of marketing, or corporate thinking. He actually has the notion of contributing something on the basis of realizing that some people won't pay for something.
I suppose at this point he's pretty much made for life, and doesn't have to worry about money anymore. Still, how admirable.
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I wonder what p2p app they are brewing up... I love waste, works well for what it is. I caint wait till they announce what they are making in the end of january.
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First, it's a stupid name. Otherwise, the Jesusonic device looks interesting. I use an incredible device called the Pod XT that makes life very easy for recording, noodling around, or juicing up the amp. One of the things I wished was a way for people to program their own effects/amp modeling algorithms and let people share (or sell) them.
This gadget looks like it could make it happen. As far as how it looks, I'm sure it's a prototype which will eventually be a slick, portable gadget. I look forward to it.
...how my $900 PC can replace tens of thousands of dollars in effects processing. I remember seeing a reverb/delay for $3000 with many presets and you can program some yourself.
Okay, now that my PC can do effects processing, it can also be used as a multi-track to replace the Alesis ADAT that's has thousands of dollars in add-ons, and can replace a mastering studio and save me thousands there becasuse of my DVD/CD burner. What is still expensive are the instruments, consoles (yay AMEK), and the $14,000 tube mic.
I do not know. Somehow I just cannot let those old things go.
Some call me Howie Feltersnatch
who's laughing?
And no, there's nothing wrong with the name Nullsoft. In fact, it's a great name. Having "Cock" in a company name is clearly stupid.
Good luck on never selling a damn thing. F'en juvenille.
"It's a stupid name" means people will be talking about it, and they won't forget it. Great PR.
And lets not forget how crazy "Nullsort" sounded when it was founded. $100m+ later, whose laughing now?
Company name != quality of product offered
Seriously, the name Cockos sounds like a gay cereal.
Pathsync looks interesting for directory synchronization. Is there something to do this between two linux clients or windows and linux that is rsync or cvs based. Preferably GUI clients or easy to use ones. I need windows > linux backup and linux laptop > linux backup. I saw backuppc in the debian archives, but I'm intersted in user opinions as it is always so much better. Thanks!
This isn't meant as flamebait but an observation:
Common hackers of his level of inovation, and to a degree hatred of authority/corporations really dislike windows and love the freedom and inovation of Linux.
Seems like everything he touches is Windows related.
Just suprising.
Though somewhat depressing...
it's inovators like him, who really make software people like. Say what you will about WinAmp... but it was one heck of a popular app. Same with everything else he was involved in.
HE is what Linux could really use: someone to create the golden tools.
I bet you dont learn in marketing class to name you products "Jesusonic CrusFX 1000" and make it look like a cross!
:)
Never ever bind religion to something you dont have to, it just causes trouble!
On the other hand, I would definitely want one!
http://www.nativeinstruments.de/page.php?id=wwdc_u s
http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?guitarri g_us
For more info.
"Good luck on never selling a damn thing. F'en juvenille."
Yeah, poor Justin, he'll only have his millions of dollars and reputation left to console him. Boo hoo.
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You have to admit, you'd probably draw many strange eyes trying to tote this thing on your back from one gig to the next.
-jc
You're on crack if you think something won't sell just because it's named badly (intentionally or otherwise).
What's more likely to happen is that it will get quite popular and just like AOL brought out Nullsoft, Cockos will get bought out and the company will rename the products.
While names maybe useful in branding, useful and functional stuff need not always have good names - there will be people buying the stuff for what it does, rather than what it's called. Have enough such people and you'd be mainstream - you'd not be laughing at the name simply because it'd have become ubiquitous.
Back Orifice was such a cheesy name, but when it became popular, people stopped noticing what it was called.
Whatever he is working on, I'm sure it really whips the Lamma's ass...
if it's anything like nullsoft, he'll have to get sued over the name of a product before anyone buys him up.
(for the uninformed, yes, that's what happened with nullsoft and winamp.)
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Lots of people will run this, and make presets, and do lots of stuff for free for him, while he sells the hardware that makes it usable (without having to hack it together yourself).
Genius. I think Apple tried something like that before...anyone heard of the iPod?
and the php script for their website is called the 'STD Page Generation System[tm]'
I guess chicken breasts doesn't sell in the US?
Belief is the currency of delusion.
CherryOS? Seems to me that every cock is looking for a cherry.
Wait, I forgot... CherryOS is still under wraps, right?
It really whips The Savior's ass!
The IRS is the one organization that you don't want to fuck with. Remember, these are the guys who took down Al Capone.
95%+ of the posters on /., and perhaps even Frankel himself seem entirely unaware that the idea of his jesusonic project is nothing new at all.
there are several so-called "RT VST hosts" that do the same thing, and several standalone programs. most have been around for several years.
even on Linux (even!) we have tools like JackRack and EcaMegaPedal, not to mention the world's best live looper (SooperLooper). maybe Frankel's ideas about triggers might represent some slightly novel model for this kind of thing, but the authors of most of the stuff I've mentioned could probably add them in a day or two.
Jesus did not and does not compete with any south american ungulates with unusually soft and warm fur.
The CB App. What's your 20?
Justin Frankel's accomplishments are notable in of themselves, but even more so when you consider that they were all achieved by a boy who's just now turning 13 years old... ...what, he's a grown man? And he still gives his projects names like "CrucFX" and "Assniffer"? That's pretty sad, actually.
Compare: Jesusonic screenshot.
Max/MSP screenshot.
I think you can see which one is much more powerful.
actually it's got 3 holes, but the third is filled with dangerously sharp "teeth" that sometimes damage CockOS
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Speaking out for the first time on life after AOL/Nullsoft
Correction, speaking out for the third time since leaving AOL.
I'm coo-coo for cocoks!
But there is another kind of evil that we must fear most... and that is the indifference of good men.
ok... I don't KNOW the truth... but after reading that, I'm inclined to believe that Dmitry, is insane. Maybe he's insane because he was cheated out of something, but I'm inclined to doubt it... more likely he was crazy before... for one thing... day long meditations, for 5 years, to clear out poison? Nobody does day long meditations for one day unless they're already crazy, much less for 5 years... intentional or not, that letter is a troll.
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I'm not sure, I googled this Dmitry guy and he actually has released some solid music software and is apparently fairly well known. He was rumored to be picked up to port WinAmp to the Mac platform in 2001 http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/0101/winamp.s html.
*Shrug* I don't know..
For sound, duh.
A company called Line 6 has been offering stadalone guitar effects/amps simulation devices for years now. Recently they came out with the concept of "model packs" whereby you can purchase an additional set of models for $50 or so. This thing is built around a real DSP which means it can run circles around a mid-level PC, despite consuming less power and being a lot smaller.
They also offer a $129 digital interface with a simplified versions of the same algorithms running entirely on a PC. The interface provides 24 bit AD/DA conversion and a volume knob.
I just don't see anyone jumping to Cockos Jesus whatever all of a sudden. I hope you don't paying for this with your own money, too.
That causes another problem... sorta... if macamp came first, as according to his post, then a port wasn't necessary... also, the port request, if it came in 2001, would be during his poisoned time... which seems unlikely... I think its likely, as someone else said, that its someone pretending to be him, or, although he may be a fine programmer, he's still crazy, and didn't invent Winamp, though he may still believe he did...
5 years meditating to remove poison from the body is just a bit too farfeteched for me... as a sidenote, I decided to see if I could verify a couple of the provable claims he made in the letter... the restaurant in Hawaii for example, rated #1 by PETA? doesn't seem to exist... but maybe he created it under a different name, and the 1 was a typo for 5 (there was a restaurant in Hawaii rated 5 by Peta... but the owner had a different name) Yeah... I just can't buy it... not to mention the fact that the original winamp wasn't all that impressive coding wise, and Justin Frankel has certainly proved to be capable of more with his other endeavors... with every person in the spotlight, there will be someone who will try and take it away... I think this is just one of those cases.
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You only plug a USB cable into your PC. No other wires involved. Of course only idiots can expect quality AD/DA for $129, but that's beside the point. The point is that Justin is a bit too late to the game to make any serious money on this project.
That's why you should get a multi-gig harddrive with it!
My other computer is a Jacquard loom.
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Oh, sure, he changed 'kak' to 'cock', but the pronunciation is the same! That hoe!
Wouldn't this be better as an ask Slashdot peice? Or maybe just post it to an open-source forum that is more geared to answering questions...I hope someone helps you out, but you're likely to be modded offtopic for this(And, well...rightfully so.)
Sleep is futile.
Any good hack that gets written for Windows will have a clone available for Linux and other free open source OS's within a month or so.
My other first post is car post.
Is he gay?
Why does yahoo do this
What happens when CockOS has a core dump?
Nullsoft, SafeSex , Ass I/O, Waste, Cockos, Jesusonic... These are great names for products, IMHO. 2/3'rds of this page is fill with flamey venom for the names, sprickled with actual on-topic discussion. It's amazing how many dateless, lego-mindstorm-programing nerds are ridiculing the names he picks for things, while complaining about their rights online, the **AA's and corporate "evilness" in general.
Besides, the Cockos and Nullsoft products that aren't named in some humorous way are pretty much as immemorable as any other computer-ish acronames.
If you dont want to use or buy his products, simply because of the name, I suspect he really doesn't give a damn. The names are funny, sometimes witty, and just offbeat and so anti-marketing that it at least makes me happy, after 99.99 percent of my time being inundated with slick, cute, over-marketed, sterlized products and services.
So, to the enlightened masses of /. readerdom, that can't get over the names he picks, thanks a lot for voting with your dollar for all the vanilla corporate American marketers can fill your IV with, and tries to fill mine. /rant
And Justin, thanks for being a wildly successful punk ass. I, for one welcome our dastardly underminer.
Looks good for your age..
You're absoloutely right but I've never done an ask slashdot peice before and isn't everything rejected around here?
(i guessed on the offtopic, I had to give it a shot)
Like the pics you can't save when right-click is disabled?
Cockos means a toilet in (south) India !
Funny thing, I was looking in google for a crack for Tie Fighter, a game I have on floppy
but never played, when I stumbled upon this:
http://www.dcee.net/Files/New/
winamp12.zip 203K The premier Layer 3 MPEG Audio player for Windows 95
and NT from fREEStyle
It was fREEStyle?
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Well what was it mother fucker?
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his primary project, the "Jesussonic" FX box at the moment runs in Linux / Mac / Windows, and I'm not depressed in the least about this.
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If I judge it correctly, and I think that I do, Justin seems to have designed OpenGL as well: http://www.livejournal.com/users/garote/57955.html
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