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Survey Says Internet Users Confuse Search Results, Ads

irishdaze writes "ABC News is reporting that apparently only 18% of adult web searchers can tell the difference between actual search results and advertisements. In addition to this astounding conclusion, the Pew Internet and American Life Project's survey of 2,200 adults (only 1,399 of which are actual internet users, mind you) also indicates that 92% of web searchers feel they are confident in their own searching abilities."

338 comments

  1. How could anyone be confused? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Google puts the search results in colored boxes, and the ads are all in black and white.

    1. Re:How could anyone be confused? by SilentChris · · Score: 2, Informative

      "How could anyone be confused?"

      These are the same people who don't read the words "legal document" on the top of an EULA before clicking through, who click "Yes" when some random page asks to be their homepage, and whose desktop is continually literally with spyware.

    2. Re:How could anyone be confused? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm stupid, you insenstive clod!

    3. Re:How could anyone be confused? by Knights+who+say+'INT · · Score: 3, Funny

      The same people who type "literally" when they mean "littered"?

    4. Re:How could anyone be confused? by Mistlefoot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is also a "phone survey". Asking someone whether or not they know the difference is not the same as them knowing the difference.

    5. Re:How could anyone be confused? by generic-man · · Score: 4, Informative

      Really? All the cheap AdWords ads (say, on a search for "linux") are in the exact same color scheme as the non-sponsored links.

      Google used to put all the sponsored links against colored backgrounds, but they now reserve the special backgrounds for the larger and more expensive ads. Perhaps they want the consumer to believe that the sponsored links are very similar to the unsponsored ones. ...nah, that'd be evil and Google can't be evil.

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    6. Re:How could anyone be confused? by araemo · · Score: 1

      In my random test, just conducted 30 seconds ago. I tried two different searches off of www.google.com

      Search #1 only received 1 sponsored link/ad, it was on the right, seperated from the real results, labeled 'sponsored link', but not colored differently.

      Search #2 received many sponsored links.. Two were in a colored blue box above the ads, that box had 'sponsored links' on the very right edge of the page. Search #2 also got a long list of ads displayed along the right side of the page like the ad Search #1 received.

      So, where are these sponsored links that are displayed without colored backgrounds or physical separation from the search results?

    7. Re:How could anyone be confused? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually, with all the comments about how stupid people are not to be able to tell the difference, I'd ahve to say that Google is skewing the Slashdot results.

      I used MSN search at one point, and it took a moment to notice that the top few results were ads. They intentionally make it hard to tell apart, where Google intentionally seperates them out. I couldn't blame an MSN user for getting confused once in a while.

    8. Re:How could anyone be confused? by generic-man · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are no "sponsored links that are displayed without colored backgrounds or physical separation from the search results." I never claimed as such in my original post.

      There are, however, sponsored links that are displayed in the same color scheme as the ordinary search results. Because the sponsored links look so similar to the genuine search result links, they may be confusing to the consumer. The only indication that the links are "sponsored" is a line of grey text.

      I believe that Google phased out the colored-background links for ordinary AdWords for two reasons: (1) to get advertisers to pay more for what they had been getting for free, and (2) because end users would easily confuse the similarly-colored sponsored links with general search results.

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    9. Re:How could anyone be confused? by Servants · · Score: 1

      This is also a "phone survey". Asking someone whether or not they know the difference is not the same as them knowing the difference.

      Exactly. The article says "of [subset of web searchers], not even half say they can always tell which [ads] are paid."

      Can you always tell which ads are paid? With Google, sure you can. But what about other search engines? Are you sure they all even display a distinction? If you're not sure, or haven't thought about it, or if you accidentally clicked on a paid ad once, then maybe you figure you can't always tell, so you say no.

      If they'd sat people down at computers and asked them to identify which ads are paid, it seems likely that the numbers would have been much higher.

    10. Re:How could anyone be confused? by generic-man · · Score: 1

      That was true for a while, but MSN Search results now show ads either in colored backgrounds above the regular links, or in ordinary colors alongside the regular links just like Google does.

      Example

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    11. Re:How could anyone be confused? by KillerDeathRobot · · Score: 1

      You have to be an idiot to easily confuse those links for regular results. It appears that 82% of adult internet users are idiots, but that's not Google's fault.

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    12. Re:How could anyone be confused? by Squidbait · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, having worked quite a bit as a computer instructor teaching adults to use the web, I can say that this has absolutely been true in my experience. I constantly have to point out the difference between ads, even really obvious ones, and search results.

      I think the problem is that the average person does not understand or think about the economic relationships of websites, eg the fact that ads help pay for free websites. Most of the time they have no idea who is providing a website or why - they just think "the computer" gives it to them.

    13. Re:How could anyone be confused? by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Funny

      I got called for this poll, I think. I was asked "Do you know what's the difference between search results and an advertisement?" I said "No" but the guy never delivered the punchline, so after a few days of thinking about it I figured it must have been a poll.

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    14. Re:How could anyone be confused? by Taladar · · Score: 1
      It appears that 82% of adult internet users are idiots
      82% of adult internet users use AOL?
    15. Re:How could anyone be confused? by Meagermanx · · Score: 1

      No nonono... All America Online users are idiots (Or have parents who don't know the difference), but not all idiots use AOL.

    16. Re:How could anyone be confused? by webplummer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd agree with this and take it a step further. Many users don't separate the concepts of computer and internet. They say things like "I had my web open" or "I closed my internet," when they mean they closed their IE window. So they don't make a distinction between the internet as a resource and the application used to access it. Thusly most users don't think they have another option to access the web. I would posit that this is where many virus problems come from. Users think they're safe from viruses and malware if the "internet is closed,' meaning they don't have a browser window opened. Problem is, the computer is still connected to the internet and they're still using IE to view web pages. How does one re-educate the using public about the relationship between computer, user and internet? In one sense, they should think of them as closely related and users are increasingly being encouraged to think of it all as one experience. In another sense, users should be aware of the internet as a vast library of information with many different ways of accessing it. Think average Joe users know about or would understand an RSS reader now that the IE experience is indelibly linked to the idea of "my internet?" I think not.

    17. Re:How could anyone be confused? by CrackerJack9 · · Score: 1

      What made them look like regular search results, that they were inside a blue box with "SPONSERED SITES" on the right, or the links along the right side separated a blue/green border with "SPONSERED SITES" along the top? Not to mention the links in the box are formatted differently than search results, with the green URL immediately after the title and a description beneath, instead of the description below the title of an actual search result and the URL below that (usually with a link to 'Cached Page' and a date). I'm not one to stick up for MSN, but come on...

    18. Re:How could anyone be confused? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like they have changed their format. Good for them. I was recalling using it a while ago, when they looked almost the same.

      If I wasn't lazy, I'd look up a Slashdot story that talked about looking up "Linux" on MSN. I believe many of the comments confused the first few (sponsored) results with actual results. They just had a single grey line that said something like "Premier Link" below them.

      Maybe Google helped make Microsoft less evil. Miracles never cease.

    19. Re:How could anyone be confused? by CrackerJack9 · · Score: 1

      It didn't happen to be about 82% that responded that they were confused, did it? I try to avoid MSN as much as possible so I couldn't compare it to anything, it may very well have been hard to differentiate...just a hunch about the 82%...

      If they did, just goes to show you the power of Google!

    20. Re:How could anyone be confused? by MutantHamster · · Score: 1

      Hey, man. Fucking bees can differentiate between colors. This shouldn't be required for the human species. Why the Hell is is the norm to be tricked into believing that something with the words "sponsored link" is not an advertisement? This is, in my opinion, not excusable for the human race. I blame the Fox Network.

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    21. Re:How could anyone be confused? by generic-man · · Score: 1

      I watch television programs that have sponsors, and the programs are not advertisements themselves. (Blah blah product placement blah blah Joe Sixpack blah blah.)

      If Google wants everyone to understand that sponsored links are advertisements, they could at least label them "Advertisements." Those deceptive advertisement-filled supplements in newspapers are labeled "Advertisement" on every page, not "sponsored supplement."

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    22. Re:How could anyone be confused? by cjrichard · · Score: 1

      I wonder how many people who click adverts by mistake are actually pleased with the page they get? After all, Google ads are supposed to be relevant...

    23. Re:How could anyone be confused? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A decent amount on google I would surmise. I once was googling for info on dumb terminals, and looking for a place that sold terminals or fixed them. I did a search or two with my usual well tested methods, and didn't get any decent results on the first few pages, I look to the right of the screen, and see a place that sells refurbished terminals near my location. I order one up and it's a done deal. It was easier than combing through the results that weren't as dead on as adwords was.

    24. Re:How could anyone be confused? by MutantHamster · · Score: 1

      I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one, buddy... LOL!

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    25. Re:How could anyone be confused? by gnuorder · · Score: 1

      Well that looks similar enough to warrant lawsuits. I give Google credit for showing restraint. I don't think that would be the case if the tabled were turned.

    26. Re:How could anyone be confused? by generic-man · · Score: 1

      I thought you couldn't sue on the basis of look and feel. That was supposed to be the reason why every Linux distribution can include themes such as "poor copy of Aqua," "poor copy of Windows 95," etc. As long as neither party co-opts the other's corporate logo or other trademarked elements, it's fine.

      And if Google were to trademark its very simple search result design, I think Slashdot users would have every right to throw a fit.

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    27. Re:How could anyone be confused? by jubei · · Score: 1

      Or they could be thrown off by being asked such a stupid question. When I read the headline, a doubt crept into my mind. I thought to myself, "is google putting paid intertwined with the search results now?" By asking what seems like an obvious question, you can get weird results.

    28. Re:How could anyone be confused? by The-Bus · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. Some of the ads a friend of mine has run appear randomly as white or colored ads.

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  2. Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by froggero1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It may also have to do with the fact that when these adults are surfing the pron, they dont really care what's an ad or a website, so long as it has boobs

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    1. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by pilgrim23 · · Score: 1

      You said it at the beginning: "ABC Reports..". If a "major media outlet" says that it is true: doubt.

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    2. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I dunno...I think it says the average person, is an idiot. And, if you've ever had to work retail or food service while growing up...this will confirm that this is true. And NOT just with computer use...

      :-)

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    3. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by anonicon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "I think it says the average person, is an idiot."

      Yes-indeedee, you are correct. Hopefully, with the proliferation of braindead, thought-numbing programming like "Survivor," "Who's My Daddy," and "The Bachelorette," more marginal cases will slide down the tube that precludes them from ever having to think critically, thus freeing up salary and promotion space for the rest of us.

      >;-)

    4. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that alot of people are indeed looking for porn...
      http://vacations-escape.com/

    5. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by dreamt · · Score: 1

      As the great George Carlin once said, look at how dumb the average person is, and realize that half are even dumber.

      I can just see someone in the lower half trying to argue against that fact.

    6. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by GoodbyeBlueSky1 · · Score: 1

      Do you have the exact quote? Sounds like a keeper.

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    7. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at it this way: Think of how stupid the average person is...and realize, half of them are stupider than that.

    8. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by jimicus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are assuming that the people doing the promoting will themselves be smart enough to spot the people worth promoting.

    9. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you must be the average person, because your grammar is ridiculously bad. You have commas where they shouldn't be, ellipses instead of commas and incomplete sentences. Hooray for basic grammar.

    10. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by LuxFX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      more marginal cases will slide down the tube that precludes them from ever having to think critically, thus freeing up salary and promotion space for the rest of us

      Unfortunately, nepotism turns a blind eye to ability. There will always be braindead idiots in high-ranking places, as long as they have family and friends in high-ranking places.

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    11. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by dapyx · · Score: 1
      "I think it says the average person, is an idiot."
      The problem is that 50% of the people are even dumber. :-)
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    12. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hopefully, with the proliferation of braindead, thought-numbing programming like "Survivor," "Who's My Daddy," and "The Bachelorette," more marginal cases will slide down the tube that precludes them from ever having to think critically, thus freeing up salary and promotion space for the rest of us.

      The problem is that there are more of those kinds of people, and they will gradually take more and more of your earnings away through taxes to cover social programs for themselves.

      Ph34r the tyranny of the [dumb] majority.

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    13. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by mapmaker · · Score: 1
      I think it says the average person, is an idiot.

      If that worries you, this will really bake your noodle:

      half of the people out there are below average!

    14. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by Kaa · · Score: 1

      I dunno...I think it says the average person, is an idiot. And, if you've ever had to work retail or food service while growing up...this will confirm that this is true. And NOT just with computer use...

      See sig :-)

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    15. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by Phat_Tony · · Score: 0
      Perhaps some of us non-idiots should learn how to correctly use commas, or the word "hopefully," in posts about how stupid everybody is. How many non-idiots does it take to proofread two sentences?

      In case anyone's having trouble, this is not an advertisement.

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    16. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by infinidim · · Score: 1

      Assuming that people's intelligence is normally distributed.

    17. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by jjoyce · · Score: 0, Redundant
      I dunno...I think it says the average person, is an idiot

      What would you call someone who doesn't know when to use commas?

    18. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by shplorb · · Score: 1

      I dunno...I think it says the average person, is an idiot.

      What I found the most suprising is that this survey indicates that there are twice as many non-idiots than I thought there was.

    19. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by jrockway · · Score: 1

      Wrong.

      Let's say we have 11 people in the world, and we line them up smartest to dumbest. The person in the middle has "average" intelligence. Then if you look at the 50% below him, those 50% are even dumber than average. Doesn't matter if it's a normal distribution or not; 50% of people are dumber than the person in the middle.

      (Now if you want to average, that's a little different, but it doesn't have to be a normal distribution.)

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    20. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Survivor is precluded from the moronific aspect, because they were the _original_ 'reality tv' program. Besides, there are the ocasional educational aspect to the show, like um, you know the obligatory quiz or whatever ;)

    21. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by anonicon · · Score: 1

      You should be sure that you're on solid ground before casting dispersions on both the usage and punctuation of another person's sentence. Using "Hopefully" is fine, per the explanation noted within this link. Unless, of course, you're a critic.

      As for the remainder of the sentence, which part is wrong? Are suggesting the commas should appear outside the quotes? Otherwise, it's a complete sentence with both a prepositional and a dependent clause.

    22. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      I think in that case, you are effectively taking the Median, not the Average(Mean).

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    23. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      It isn't, but the distribution is symmetric around the mean.

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    24. Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. by jrockway · · Score: 1

      True. But the data doesn't have to be normally distributed; it just has to be even about the median.

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  3. Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by Some+guy+named+Chris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    92% of web searchers

    Dude, relax. They are saying they interviewed 2200 adults. A certain percentage of those reported they were web searchers (probably somewhere near that 1399 number you quoted). Then, of that number, 90% of THEM feel confident in their own searching abilities.

    In other words, nothing to see here, move along. Still, it's more fun to blame Pew than your own analytical skills.

    1. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bingo!

      We have a winner.

    2. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      The 2200 were also interviewed via the internet on a survey. They were all internet users. Sheesh, the submitter needs a kick in the "I'm So Smart" part of his head.

    3. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by critter_hunter · · Score: 1

      It's still interesting that 92% feel confident in their searching ability, when 82% can't tell the difference between an ad and a search result.

      Conclusion? 8% of web searchers suck and know it, 18% don't suck at web searching, and a whopping 74% think they're good at web searching but actually suck.

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    4. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by grub · · Score: 2, Funny


      Yeah but Michael accepted the story. "irishdaze" is probably one of Roland Piquepalle's nom de plumes...

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    5. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by Anarchos · · Score: 1

      Do you have some proof that targeted advertisements are not relevant to the search terms?

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    6. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by Nathan+Brazil · · Score: 1

      That assumes that everyone who isn't confident actually sucks; this seems highly unlikely. "The key to knowledge is to know that you know nothing."

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    7. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by Anarchos · · Score: 1

      Actually at the bottom of the article it states that it was a telephone-based survey.

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    8. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah but the survey went:

      Are u on teh intarweb?

      is google teh l337x0r?

      A/S/L?

      Is Micro$0ft teh ghey?

    9. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes slashdot is so stupid it makes my head hurt. The issue identified by the parent is one of the reasons. Articles with fundamental gaps of logic and reasoning are put on the front page.

    10. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think driving breaks down the same way

    11. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by BarryNorton · · Score: 1
      You'll want to quote more now the article's finally been subject to some editing!
      irishdaze [originally wrote] "ABC News is reporting that apparently only 18% of adult web searchers can tell the difference between actual search results and advertisements. In addition to this astounding conclusion, the Pew Internet and American Life Project's survey of 2,200 adults (only 1,399 of which are actual internet users, mind you) also indicates that 92% of web searchers feel they are confident in their own searching abilities. When I do the math, 92% of 2200 is 2024. This means that Pew/Internet is saying that more people are confident with their web searching skills than actually use the Internet. Saying that something is wrong here just doesn't cover it."
    12. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by Gob+Blesh+It · · Score: 1

      I'm confused... isn't that exactly what the submission says? Who's blaming Pew?

    13. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by Gob+Blesh+It · · Score: 1

      My fault, looks like michael edited the submission after it was already posted, without bothering to note the change. Typical.

    14. Re:Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Do you have some proof that targeted advertisements are not relevant to the search terms?

      Whether they are relevant or not is irrelevant to the fact that most surfers can't tell the difference between a paid advertisement and a search result (despite being labeled as a "sponsored" link/result/whatever). It wasn't a question about whether people click on them, but whether people can distinguish them.

  4. Spyware! by Bumjubeo · · Score: 1

    And the growing amount of users with spyware, odd, I wonder why people complain about spyware so much?

    Geeze could it be because they actually dont know the difference?

  5. Ummm by GeneralTao · · Score: 0, Redundant


    Wouldn't "92% of web searchers" imply that it's a percentage of the fraction of the 2200 that search the web, and not a percentage of the entire sample?

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  6. Survey Says... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    "ABC News is reporting that apparently only 18% of adult web searchers can tell the difference between actual search results and advertisements.

    <Homer>Woo hoo! Finally above average! Take that Marilyn vos Savant!</Homer>

    92% of web searchers feel they are confident in their own searching abilities.

    Other useful stats:

    38% believe Prince Magumbe Obada of Nigeria has $14,000,000 to share with them

    56% believe that penis pills really work.

    29% believe they have just updated their PayPal or bank account safely and securely

    91% believe all that harddrive activity and bandwidth usage is Microsoft Windows ensuring their computer is safe and secure

    44% believe the moon is still made of green cheese and the landings were staged in a warehouse in El Segundo

    76% believe everything they read on the internet, which doesn't challenge their moral values, is true, the rest is all crap

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    1. Re:Survey Says... by Bumjubeo · · Score: 1

      Dont forget 86% of stats are made up on the spot.

    2. Re:Survey Says... by bwcarty · · Score: 1

      and 87% believe "the internet is down" when they can't connect to a website.

    3. Re:Survey Says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ABC News is reporting that apparently only 18% of adult television watchers can tell the difference between news and advertisements. Is it just me or are all the major news stations planting advertising for such things as plastic surgery?

    4. Re:Survey Says... by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      I heard it was 89%.

    5. Re:Survey Says... by k96822 · · Score: 1

      44% believe the moon is still made of green cheese

      The moon was never made of green cheese. The cheese is orange, as proven by Wallace and Grommit!

    6. Re:Survey Says... by aslate · · Score: 2, Funny

      "What do you mean "Is the cable plugged in?" of course it is. Oh, wait..."
      *Phone goes dead*

    7. Re:Survey Says... by StevenHenderson · · Score: 1

      And also, don't forget that I can get "leg1t ph0t0sh0p c0p1es f|or $79!!!1"

    8. Re:Survey Says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > ABC News is reporting that apparently only 18% of adult television watchers can tell the difference between news and advertisements.

      That's because the 18% are deluded. There is no difference between news and advertiesments.

      > Is it just me or are all the major news stations planting advertising for such things as plastic surgery?

      It is just you.

    9. Re:Survey Says... by _fuzz_ · · Score: 1

      Nope, it's 47%!

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    10. Re:Survey Says... by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

      I find that your statistics seem valid and don't challenge my moral values, so I'll take them at face value, and start spreading them.

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    11. Re:Survey Says... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      29% believe they have just updated their PayPal or bank account safely and securely

      Oh shit!

    12. Re:Survey Says... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's +/- 5%...

  7. You reap what you sew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Without control there is caos and confusion.

    1. Re:You reap what you sew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



      You reap what you sow
      Without control there is chaos and confusion.

      Fucking retard.

  8. only 2200? by TheQwe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    that sounds like a very small chunk of adults to perform such a study on.

    1. Re:only 2200? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They shoulda tried this on the old people in Korea.

    2. Re:only 2200? by Anarchos · · Score: 3, Informative

      National surveys typically have 1500 participants, which will yield a respectable margin of error of about 3%. If you read the article, it states at the bottom that the 1399 internet users who responded gives a margin of error of 3%. It's rare to find a national survey will a smaller margin of error.

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    3. Re:only 2200? by djplurvert · · Score: 1

      That's a common misconception. If the sampling was done properly then the sampling should be representative of the population. The specific size of the sample is not as important as the quality of the sample.

      I am NOT an expert, but I've had enough statistics to not be alarmed by the sample size.

    4. Re:only 2200? by swv3752 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Though the larger the sample the more valid the statiscal results.

      Of course these things are innately biased. Would you answer a phone survey? So who would? Perhaps gullible idiots?

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    5. Re:only 2200? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who modded this crap up as INSIGHTFUL? Chrissakes, people, anyone who took Statistics 101 in college knows that this posting was sheer crap. I am really serious -- why do people who don't understand basic statistics posting about statistics, and WHY ON GOD'S EARTH do mods find it necessary to reward this crap with karma?

    6. Re:only 2200? by rumblin'rabbit · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This is a not bad sample size at all. Statistics 101 goes into such things.

      One serious problem is that this is not a random sample. It's only a sample of that portion of the population willing to answer telephone surveys - not a group I would want to base important decisions on.

      A second problem is that we don't know how many surveyed just make up answers at random. The 90-year-old cross-dressing skate boarders from Baton Rouge are particularly into this.

    7. Re:only 2200? by Quinn_Inuit · · Score: 1
      A second problem is that we don't know how many surveyed just make up answers at random. The 90-year-old cross-dressing skate boarders from Baton Rouge are particularly into this.

      No we're not!

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    8. Re:only 2200? by jfengel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wikipedia has a good, reasonably technical article on the subject.

      Basically, the trick is that when you're looking at more than a few thousand people, you can effectively treat them as infinite. Obviously you can't sample _everybody_ from an infinite number, but assuming you can sample randomly (and that's a big if), you can get a reasonably good approxiation with a fairly small sample size.

      If you think about it, it doesn't seem too unreasonable. If you have an infinite sock drawer with 90% black and 10% blue socks, pull out 100 lousy socks and you'll get around 90 black and 10 blue socks. Even if you get 85 black and 15 blue, or 95 black and 5 blue, you're getting a pretty good idea of what's in the drawer.

      That's from an infinite number of socks. The point is that it doesn't matter how many people there are, the quality of your sample isn't proportional to it. It's proportional to the number of people you actually sample. Generally, the formula people use is 1/sqrt(N), where N is the number of people you sample. For N=2,200, the error is only +/- 2%. Don't ask me to derive the formula; it's too hard to explain here. I'm just trying to convince you that the sample size is reasonable, as long as they're sampling randomly.

      Of course, if your sample isn't random, the only way to ensure proper results is to sample _everybody_. Even interviewing half the people won't tell you squat; if all the black socks are on the left of the drawer and you pull from the right you'll think you have 100% blue socks no matter how many you sample. So the trick isn't getting a large enough sample; it's getting a random enough sample. Ensure randomness and you'll get a good picture even with only a thousand people.

    9. Re:only 2200? by qbwiz · · Score: 1

      How can you call and determine if someone can distinguish between ads and real results?

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    10. Re:only 2200? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need some more qualifiers on that. This only works if the 1500 are a purely random sample of the whole population. Any number of factors can totally hose the results.

      Phone surveys cannot reach people who only have cellphones, for example. And what about the location of the respondents? A random sample in the states is much more likely to turn up and urbanite city dweller than a mid-western farmer, just because of population dynamics.

      I take all surveys with a bloack of rock salt, like I do with all the rest of the statistics I read. :)

      ~AC~

    11. Re:only 2200? by pipingguy · · Score: 1


      It's only a sample of that portion of the population willing to answer telephone surveys

      That's a key observation. It's certain that phone survey results reflect the outlook and intelligence of people willing to submit to a 5 minute Q&A session with someone who claims to be from some official-sounding organization or reseach company.

      These phone surveys are often also carefully scripted so as to obtain a pre-determined response from the interviewee. The "drone on the phone" never knows that they are being subtly manipulated.

    12. Re:only 2200? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trick is to ensure randomness? How do you know you didn't start with a random sample, and then in the process of randomizing it, you rehomogenized the answers?

    13. Re:only 2200? by jfengel · · Score: 1

      I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at, but part of the answer is that you never know for certain that you've got a random sample. Or rather, you never know that you've got a representative sample unless you get everybody. Generally, randomly picked people are representative, but there's no way to guarantee it for certain.

      You can put a confidence measure on the quality of your sample. The 1/sqrt(n) figure is used when you want to be 95% certain that your sample is representative at least to be within 3% (for N=1000) of the correct answer.

      But you don't "randomize" the sample after you've drawn it, so you don't "rehomogenize" it.

      That's not entirely true: more sophisticated sampling techniques will provide all sorts of skews trying to eliminate the biases. If you call people's homes between 9 and 5 on a weekday you know you will get people who don't have regular 9 to 5 jobs, unless they're home sick. You can try to balance the sample out by approximating the percentage of those who would be expected to be home, but it gets complicated and somewhat dubious.

      So that may be what you're getting at, and the answer is that you can never be 100% certain your sample is representative. But you can be 95% certain, and that's good enough most of the time.

  9. I got one one for you dude.. by MasterOfUniverse · · Score: 1

    don't take GMAT, you will fail miserably if you can't see whose percentage they are talking about ...

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  10. Maths by Jimternet · · Score: 1

    As a maths student I love it when people can read what something says and then analyse the data.

  11. Altavista has the problem. by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1

    This is easy to do in Altavista. Go there and do a search on "ads". After few times of this confusion, I basically stopped using them entirely.

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    1. Re:Altavista has the problem. by mwood · · Score: 1
      Nah, just search for *anything*.

      "Shop for Dysentery at Amazon!"

  12. Just remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    People are dumb, individuals are smart.

  13. Because by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny
    This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. People don't pay that much attention to to what they are reading.

    For example, re-read this post. Carefully.

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    1. Re:Because by MoriaOrc · · Score: 1

      "...pay that much attention to to what they..."

      It took me a good 30 seconds to notice it though :P

    2. Re:Because by Raistlin77 · · Score: 1

      It's easy to automatically skip the second "to" that you inserted without a second though and continue on as if nothing ever happened :)

    3. Re:Because by supergiovane · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sorry, I don't understand. Exactly, what's wrong with with your post?

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    4. Re:Because by seanvaandering · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Has it ever occured that due to information overload on the Internet that people now speed read just about everything they see? I do, and had to re-read your comment again just to to see the second 'to'. ;)

    5. Re:Because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! Now that I reread it, I realize that it has far fewer errors than most of the stuff I read on the Internet.

    6. Re:Because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Darn. Where are my mod points now? +1 Insightful

    7. Re:Because by bcattwoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Reading slashdot while noticing every grammar and spelling error would be a painful exercise indeed.

    8. Re:Because by realdpk · · Score: 1

      In that case, it's not so much a matter of people not paying attention as it is that we're pretty good at interpreting what's written in to what it probably should be.

    9. Re:Because by rah1420 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe.

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    10. Re:Because by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      Has it ever occured that due to information overload on the Internet that people now speed read just about everything they see? I do, and had to re-read your comment again just to to see the second 'to'. ;)

      No, it's because we have excellent signal processors attached to our eyes, and are able to correct simple errors like that before it gets out of our language centers and into the rest of our brain.

      This is a good thing. Why would you care to catch on every error you see or hear?

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    11. Re:Because by murphyslawyer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, there was a follow up a few days later where it was discovered that simply reversing the order of the internal letters in the words would again render them difficult to read. Jsut thguoht I'd pniot taht out, bsuacee I fnoud it initseretng.

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    12. Re:Because by Richard+Frost · · Score: 1

      Sources, please?

    13. Re:Because by RetroGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      it's because we have excellent signal processors attached to our eyes, and are able to correct simple errors like that before it gets out of our language centers and into the rest of our brain.

      Which is why I do proofreading backwards. It is much easier to to catch errors reading backwards:

      backwards reading errors catch to to easier much is It

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    14. Re:Because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes there are.

    15. Re:Because by Speare · · Score: 1
      It's easy to automatically skip the second "to" that you inserted without a second though and continue on as if nothing ever happened :)

      Or even a first thought.

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    16. Re:Because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      People don't pay that much attention to to what they are reading.

      As well they shouldn't. People learn to filter out unimportant details, perceptions, and sensations, otherwise they'd go crazy. Nobody needs to be acutely aware 24/7 that their shoes are on their feet. I suppose competence/intelligence is partly a matter of how well you decide what to filter.

    17. Re:Because by Cookie3 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Please mod the parent off-topic, overrated and/or uninsightful.

      First of all, it's not a real research project at any real university. Secondly, the 'trick' to this appears to have more to do with numbers and powers than anything else:

      The vast majority of English words are 4-6 letters long, in dictionary form. By subtracting the first and last letter, we're typically left with 2! (2), 3! (6) or 4! (24) possible word orders. Our brains simply search until a rough match is found.

      Context may also provide a clue as to what the proper response should be.

      Additionally, lengthier words tend to have predictable prefix/suffix morphology (pre-, astro-, dis-, -ed, -ing, -ally, etc). Because we are told that these patterns are correct, our brains tend to gravitate towards them when decyphering scrambled words.

      It's trivial, BTW, to produce sentences that fool the brain into mixing up words -- sometimes providing results that don't end with the same letter or that aren't the same length.

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    18. Re:Because by sahonen · · Score: 1

      Actually, I had no problem reading your last sentence. Maybe I'm just weird.

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    19. Re:Because by Chapium · · Score: 1

      Even more interesting is that i was able to read that fairly quickly

    20. Re:Because by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      You wear your shoes 24/7?

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      If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
    21. Re:Because by fubar1971 · · Score: 1

      Especially if you have been reading /. posts for any length of time.

    22. Re:Because by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      i think one of your "to"s travelled back in time a few posts :)

    23. Re:Because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i do

    24. Re:Because by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      Anybody can read that. The point is that it takes slightly more time to read it.

      IMH uninformed O, this is because on a low level we use push down automata to do this kind of language processing, and by reversing the letters rather than scrambling them we require more letters to be pushed before a solution is reached and they can all be popped.

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    25. Re:Because by sahonen · · Score: 1

      Well, I had no problem speed-reading it like I speed read anything else, which is probably what I should have said. Now what I have problems with is dealing with "internet speak," where people don't bother to even attempt to punctuate, capitalize or even type complete words. When I see someone type like that I ignore it completely. I figure if they didn't feel it was important enough to write properly, it's not important enough for me to read.

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  14. Your mistake... by drigz · · Score: 1

    92% of web searchers != 92% of the surveyed adults

  15. Quite true. by LordPixie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sad that you actually had to explain that. Depressing that this is the sort of thing that makes it onto the front page. I feel like I'm watching one of those shittacular closed-circuit news shows produced by high schoolers, for highschoolers.


    --LordPixie

    1. Re:Quite true. by govtcheez · · Score: 5, Funny

      I feel like I'm watching one of those shittacular closed-circuit news shows produced by high schoolers, for highschoolers.

      "Oh my god, and in the news today, CmdrTaco reposted a story about Linux and I saw Hemos cheating on his girlfriend after third period! What a total slut! OK, now here's CowboyNeal with today's lunch menu!"

    2. Re:Quite true. by autophile · · Score: 2, Funny
      I feel like I'm watching one of those shittacular closed-circuit news shows produced by high schoolers, for highschoolers.

      Actually, I liked that show, "Animals Close-Up with a Wide-Angle Lens Wearing Hats".

      --Rob

      --
      Towards the Singularity.
    3. Re:Quite true. by orasio · · Score: 1

      news shows produced by high schoolers, for highschoolers.

      Was that intentional??

  16. Not so surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I keep hearing it quoted that 80% of people think they're above-average drivers, too. People who are complete idiots never seem to realise how bad they are at things.

    1. Re:Not so surprising by It+doesn't+come+easy · · Score: 1
      Don't ya know, everyone one feels that they are reasonable and moderate in their outlook. And since each person is the center of their own universe, they are right.

      (I suspect that the Universe is a figment of my imagination, but that is OK, since someone else has probably imagined that I feel that way)

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      The NSA: The only part of the US government that actually listens.
    2. Re:Not so surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this flamebait? It's a link to a peer-reviewed paper that directly addresses the phenomenon noted in the parent article.

    3. Re:Not so surprising by derkyjadex · · Score: 1

      80% above average is nothing special. What's the average of 10, 10, 10, 10, 0? People make a lot of fuss about numbers they read without understanding how to interpret them.

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    4. Re:Not so surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It indicates that there may, in fact, be objective measurements of competence, and therefore "right" and "wrong", "correct" and "incorrect", etc. This flys in the face of the hard-left political bias of Slashdot where anything is acceptable and nothing is wrong (unless, of course, it's politically incorrect or capable of making George Bush look good).

    5. Re:Not so surprising by SpongeBobLinuxPants · · Score: 0

      ignorance is bliss :)

    6. Re:Not so surprising by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      In that list, 80% are average, and 20% below average. No one is above average.

      Of course, you didn't specify which average you were talking about.

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    7. Re:Not so surprising by cjmnews · · Score: 1

      Maybe my estimate of the percentage of stupid people in the world needs to be revised.

      I've been saying for years that 70% of all people are idiots. From this article and this post, maybe I have been over estimating the number of smart people by 10-12%.

      Maybe the idiots are procreating faster than the smart people.

      More data is needed to be sure. Heck it is only an estimate.

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  17. reminds me by fearanddread · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Reminds me of that Cisco spoof commercial that was something along the lines of:

    "This year more people used the internet than there are people."

  18. submitter is confused by Anarchos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "When I do the math, 92% of 2200 is 2024. This means that Pew/Internet is saying that more people are confident with their web searching skills than actually use the Internet. Saying that something is wrong here just doesn't cover it."

    The article says "92% of web searchers" not 92% of the respondents. Only 1399 respondents used the internet, and it is possible that some of those don't do web searches. The submitter of this article is an idiot.

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    1. Re:submitter is confused by ShinGouki · · Score: 1

      0wn3d.

      additionally, this article confirms my suspicions...namely that about 90% of earth's population is made up of morons.

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    2. Re:submitter is confused by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't worry about it too much. 90% of all statistics are made up on the spot, and at least 60% of the population lie when answering questionaires, (90% if the survey concerns sex or drugs). The remainder can't remember what they said 2 minutes later anyway.

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  19. How many surveys does it take? by Telastyn · · Score: 0, Redundant

    People are dumb! This isn't exactly news, and we shouldn't be exactly suprised when people continually do dumb things. In fact, we prove ourselves as being dumb by expecting it.

  20. Survey also says by Tokerat · · Score: 1


    ...that same 18% are the only ones who can drive well, who didn't vote for Bush, and who wouldn't sue McDonalds for making them fat. Also, strangely enough, 37.8% of all statistics are made up.

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  21. 92% of What by SteveM · · Score: 1

    The survey said 92% of web searchers. Not 92% of the survey population.

    SteveM

  22. 92% by magarity · · Score: 1

    OK, time for the submitter to RTFA. From page 1 of the report:

    92% of those who use search engines say they are confident about their searching abilities

    That's not people who don't use the internet saying they know how to search it well.

  23. you insensitive clod ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    you can afford a colour monitor. the rest of us see all black-and-white on google. Not everyone can afford a colour monitor, Mr "I have Color Screen and my Keyboard has a Shift Key: Nyaaa!".

    1. Re:you insensitive clod ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Everything is shades of green to me.

    2. Re:you insensitive clod ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      You damn kids and your keyboards and monitors... In my day, we had switches and lights, and if we were really lucky a teletype, and we were happy with that goddammit...

      Where's my shaking stick?

    3. Re:you insensitive clod ! by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, when I was a kid, all we had was gears and sprockets. I mean, how the hell do you tell color on gears and sprockets? Loading a 1k web page took the better part of a week and forty tons of coal. Then some f*cker invented Javascript.

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    4. Re:you insensitive clod ! by Cmdr+TECO · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, black-and-white monitors are now prohibitively expensive, due to lack of demand. This is unfortunate for two reasons. First, monochrome monitors don't suffer from colour fringing from dot beating or misconvergence. Second, if common video cards supported greyscale displays, we could have, roughly speaking, better resolution by a factor of sqrt(3) for the same price. In return for sharp 200dpi text I'd gladly leave behind cartoonish GUI "features" and even make do with greyscale pr0ns.

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    5. Re:you insensitive clod ! by Wes+Janson · · Score: 3, Funny

      In return for sharp 200dpi text I'd gladly leave behind cartoonish GUI "features" and even make do with greyscale pr0ns.

      Maybe *YOU* would.. *shudder*

      Freak! Monochromatophile! Prevert!

  24. Google by StevenHenderson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Apparently Google's clear spelling out of "Sponsored Links" is not clear enough for some id10+s...

    1. Re:Google by erlenic · · Score: 1

      Remember though, Google isn't the only player. Try searches on Yahoo, and the background color on the sponsored links is a very light blue. On a bad LCD that color difference could easily be hard to notice. Even worse in Altavista, as someone pointed out earlier.

    2. Re:Google by WoBIX · · Score: 1

      What about Slashdot's sponsored links?

      They're called "articles" :P

    3. Re:Google by k96822 · · Score: 1

      Frankly, I thought they were sausages. 18% represent!!!

    4. Re:Google by viva_fourier · · Score: 1

      Maybe they think that the "Sponsor" is Google, in which case it would sound like "Google Recommended Results"...

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    5. Re:Google by wdavies · · Score: 1

      Its kind of hard to differentiate the top "in-line" ads which Google and Y! uses. The side-ads are pretty clear both on Y! and Google. See these searches for Bed and Breakfast San Francisco (something I was just doing in Real Life). Yahoo's premium results are slightly less blue than G's but only just.

      http://www.google.com/search?q=bed+and+breakfast +s an+Francisco&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

      http://search.yahoo.com/search?_adv_prop=web&x=o p& ei=UTF-8&prev_vm=r&va=bed+and+breakfast+san+franci sco&va_vt=any&vp=&vp_vt=any&vo=&vo_vt=any&ve=&ve_v t=any&vd=all&vst=0&vs=&vf=all&vm=r&vc=&fl=0&n=10

    6. Re:Google by wdavies · · Score: 1

      Whoops!! Apologies for screwing up and not previewing.

      Google

      Yahoo

      Actually, notice how Yahoo's top line ads actually are more noticeable as a sponsored result, simply because they dont filll the screen - I couldnt see teh Google disclaimer because they stretch so wide.

  25. Need help on your word problems? by WotanKhan · · Score: 0, Redundant
    "1,399 of which are actual internet users"
    "92% of web searchers"

    92% of 1,399 is 1287

  26. seventh post by DarkClown · · Score: 1

    and to think i was doing a search for todays seo optimization and the google api stuff and ended up at this article! those bots are fast! http://www.epicurean.com/

  27. Me too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been googling since dogpile/dejanews sold the groups to google, and I consider myself very competent.

    Seems as if I can find anything I want for Linux, Quantum Mechanics, General Relativity, Calculus, etc., but I can't find a decent Vice City hidden packages map for the life of me.

  28. Heh by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

    I have to wonder how many people have spyware on their computer that sets their web search home to xupiter(which seems to be down at the moment) or other such "search engines". If you use those things, all your results ARE ads, so I really cannot blame the people who got confused.

  29. Goal ... IS... to Mix Ads and Search Results by reporter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    At the risk of sounding crass, I think that the goal is to mix advertisements and search results. When the user cannot easily distinguish the two, then she will accidentally click on the advertisement and see the product hawked by the seller paying for the ad. The seller actually benefits from this confusion, and the search engine company (SEC) also benefits because more clicks on the advertisement means more revenue for the SEC.

    Given such a win for the seller and the SEC, there will be little motivation to fix this problem of confusion.

  30. 92% of /. readers... by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 1

    ...are confident in their comprehension ability, even though this number exceeds the number who say they read the underlying article.

  31. Are You Sure?? by big-giant-head · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Are these the same mental Midgets that did the exit polling after the presidantal elections?? They seem to have the same basic problem with the idea that the population cannot be > 100%.

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    1. Re:Are You Sure?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Are these the same mental Midgets that did the exit polling after the presidantal elections??

      Nope, but I can see you're in the group of folks that doesn't know how to spell.

      P.R.E.S.I.D.E.N.T.I.A.L.

      Also, it's "midgets", not "Midgets".

  32. Not wrong by aengblom · · Score: 1

    The Pew Internet and American Life Project's survey of 2,200 adults (only 1,399 of which are actual internet users, mind you) also indicates that 92% of web searchers feel they are confident in their own searching abilities. When I do the math... Pew/Internet is saying that more people are confident with their web searching skills than actually use the Internet.

    "Web searchers" is a subset of internet users. Thus presumably starting with even fewer than 1,399.

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  33. Pew research by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This means that Pew/Internet is saying that more people are confident with their web searching skills than actually use the Internet.

    What do you expect from an organization that did a telephone survey to determine the effectiveness of telephone surveys?

    The best part was that they determined afterwards that most people answer their phones, don't screen survey calls, etc. Do they live in some kind of alternate reality?

    That said, I see several reasons for the results- a)people not understanding the questions (such as responding to "have you used the internet" as if it was actually "do you have internet access at home"...people do this all the time) b)lying to fit in ("Oh sure, I have the Intraweb! Yeah, I know how to use it!"), or c)lying just to fuck with the results (like we used to do in high school with the anonymous drug surveys. "PCP?" "Oh no, I prefer cocaine, that PCP stuff will fuck you up." "You're both full of it, I like Speed"...is a sample of the lunchtime conversation on survey-day).

  34. It takes so little to be above average,,, by kale77in · · Score: 2

    In other news, 80% of the population consider themselves "above average" drivers.

    1. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by flyingsquid · · Score: 3, Interesting
      In other news, 80% of the population consider themselves "above average" drivers.

      I once heard a study which claimed that the people who had the most accurate self-perception were depressed people. So does having an accurate perception of oneself make one depressed or vice versa? It made a lot of sense, though. The world sucks a lot of the time, and maybe the only way you can deal with it is to go through life thinking things are better than they really are.

      Fortunately, I don't have to worry about that, because I have excellent internet skills, I'm a great driver, and I'm irresistable to the chicks.

      thank god for Prozac!

    2. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by Eric+Giguere · · Score: 4, Informative

      people who had the most accurate self-perception were depressed people

      Maybe you're thinking of this paper: Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments. Good reading. Not that it applies to me, or anything.

      Eric
      Why Vioxx is like Prozac for lawyers
    3. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by gwjgwj · · Score: 1

      In other news, 80% of the population consider themselves "above average" drivers.
      Two zeros and eight ones - all eight ones are above average.

    4. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet 80% of the people think they are above average intellignece as well.

    5. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prozac = Old and Busted
      Xanax = New Hotness

    6. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by razmaspaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I actually read a study that said 80% believe they are in the top 5% of drivers. I'm convinced that the actual top 5% are not in that 80%. What I mean is that one of the major components of being a good driver is thinking that you are a not so good driver, and KNOWING that everyone around you is just as bad.

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    7. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by fubar1971 · · Score: 1

      The world sucks...

      That is why there is no such thing as gravity.

      Fortunately, I don't have to worry about that, because I have excellent internet skills, I'm a great driver, and I'm irresistable to the chicks

      I feel the same way as you do, now that I'm taking Prozac.

    8. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by Jerf · · Score: 1

      While that is an excellent paper and I've been known to link to it from time to time, that isn't what the GP was referring to. Assuming Mozilla's Find dialog isn't bugging out on me (focus issues, it keeps searching the wrong tab for me but I can't replicate the various focus issues I have well enough to file bugs), "depression" doesn't even show up in that paper.

      Unfortunately, Googling for "self-assessment depression" isn't turning up anything relevant, just depression self-tests. But I can vouch for the fact that there was work done that demonstrates that; I recall it from my abnormal psych class. It is, no pun intended, slightly depressing, but I think the interpretation that being slightly optimistic beats out realism or depression in most ways is the best one. Hyper-realistic self-assessment isn't in and of itself a goal worth pursuing, and often a bit of optimism can be a good thing; you may correctly assess that you are not currently capable of something, but that doesn't mean you can't become capable if you just try, and a bit of optimism helps you try.

    9. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geez, that IS depressing.

    10. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      tried prozac, went to cipralex, no use. world is still crap.

    11. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by Homonymous+Howard · · Score: 1

      Martin Seligman has done some research that seems to match the OP's description.

    12. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by slavemowgli · · Score: 1

      If you happen to come across the paper you were referring to again, please let me know - I'd be very interested in reading it.

      Thanks. :)

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    13. Re:It takes so little to be above average,,, by http101 · · Score: 1
      The world sucks a lot of the time, and maybe the only way you can deal with it is to go through life thinking things are better than they really are.
      ...and all I did was take the Blue Pill.
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  35. Percentages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I also heard that 70% of the sample has trouble with fractions and percentages! Can you believe that? That's gotta be almost half of them.

  36. Just ask my hamster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He will tell you that you need to stop looking at porn.

  37. Proof that Phishing Works by CRepetski · · Score: 1
    Is it the responsibility of the search engine to babysit users with big bold THIS IS A PAID AD messages everywhere? Maybe.
    But it becomes progressively harder to inform people as the percentage of people you wish to inform rises.
    At some point you have to draw the line and let people fend for themselves.

    But this brings up another point:
    If only 1/6 of internet searchers can distinguish between paid advertisments and legitimate results, what does this say about phishing?
    This suggests that most people can't figure out the easy-to-spot phishing scams, let alone the sophisticated scams that many phishers have begun creating.

  38. What's more by paranode · · Score: 1
    They arrive at that 18% in a somewhat specious way.

    "But only 38 percent of Web searchers even know of the distinction, and of those, not even half 47 percent say they can always tell which are paid. That comes out to only 18 percent of all Web searchers knowing when a link is paid."

    Obviously they are being very liberal with the numbers here. And just because the respondents said they don't always know the difference doesn't imply that they never know the difference.

  39. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 0, Troll

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  40. Statistical Problem by iolaus · · Score: 1

    "92% of web searchers"

    The way that is phrased would indicate to me that it was 92% of those surveyed that identified themselves as web users.

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  41. Is anyone surprised by this? by Major+Lame+Brain · · Score: 1

    The cynic in me bubbles to the surface again on this one. Search engine ads are deliberatly made to appear similar to legitimate results. That way, the advertiser has a better chance of getting a hit. I don't think it was that long ago that ads based on search showed up on the right-hand side of the browser window instaed of at the top of the search result list. By placing the ads at the top of the result list, both the advertiser and the search engine co. benefit. More clicks == more $$ for both.

    "Ooo, this result is in bold and a different color. It must be most relevant or something."

    I don't have a problem with this kind of advertising. I'll only complain if ad results aren't indicated at all.

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  42. Search Engines don't know the difference either. by yorkpaddy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    More interesting is the fact that search engines can't tell the difference between commercial sites and informative sites. When I search for something I rarely want to hear the manufacturers spiel on that product, I want real first person accounts. Search engines seem to have no idea of the difference between a review and and advertisement. It can't be that hard. Search for a hard drive review. 90% of the search results have the exact same text (all stores which are selling the product), very few results come bac that objectively review the product. The sites that do objectively review the product don't say the exact same thing that the manufacturer says. hello Google?

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  43. That just means... by edunbar93 · · Score: 1

    That 28.6% of adults don't use the internet, they use the eentarweb.

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  44. Hey idiot... by rbarreira · · Score: 1

    92% of the people who search on the internet, maybe?

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  45. I would not care.... by AtariAmarok · · Score: 1
    I would not care as long as the linked ad pages contained the actual phrase being searched for. However, accuracy and relevance is too much to ask for a search engine these days. Do a search on "miserable failure" on Google, and the top few hits do not even contain the phrase. Instead of accurate and relevant results, you can see how much Democrats and Republicans hate each other.

    Altavista is much more accurate, but they pollute their results with ad pages made to look like real hits.

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  46. Download.com by narcc · · Score: 1

    I've noticed alot of my students have problems distinguishing the ads from results on download.com. It takes a good bit of extra instruction to get them to understand the difference.

  47. Survey finds that people are stupid. by yet+another+coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do surveys ever reveal anything else?

    1. Re:Survey finds that people are stupid. by jridley · · Score: 1

      Sure. They reveal that you can "prove" anything you want with carefully modelled questions and statistics. Any desired outcome can be supported. You have to look at who's doing the survey, who's PAYING for the survey, and what their agenda is.

      There's no such thing as an unbiased survey. There is such a thing as a survey which is carefully crafted to balance biases to produce a statistically valid outcome given the right analysis (but even then, the raw data from such a survey shoudn't be interpreted by people who aren't familiar with the survey's methodology).

  48. And in other news... by MattW · · Score: 1

    Most adults also believe that diet aids sold on TV can really give you six-pack abs, that most rich people won the lottery, and that buying a certain perfume/cologne will get you hooked up with hotties of the opposite sex.

  49. Brand loyalty by saddino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The finding shows that 44% of web searchers (ahem) use only one search engine. That's amazing in and of itself and probably brings tears of joy to the current market leaders (read: Google). It looks like it's going to take some more intense search engine advertising (a la Yahoo!'s old TV campaign) to get people to consider trying something new.

    1. Re:Brand loyalty by shdragon · · Score: 1

      I disagree that an intense advertising campaign will get people to switch. The early adopters (us) spread things by word of mouth/blog/forums. If a search engine is updated & suddenly gives exactly what you're looking for everytime as the first result, word will spread like wildfire. If it sucks...well, that'll spread to like wildfire too. The bottom line is, if they want more people to use their search engine, then make it better (better results, less obtrusive/pervasive ads, etc.) than the alternatives.

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  50. 98% off all statistics by SlashDread · · Score: 0, Redundant

    are made up, approximatly

  51. Maybe they're blind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they're blind from *ahem* certain activities, and their loss of vision prevents them from distinguishing ads from results.

  52. There's rumors on the internets.. by GillBates0 · · Score: 2, Funny
    ...that search results are confusing!!!1!!

    Any1 other AOLer hear bout this?!! message me if you know!

    k THX BYE

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  53. The survey is absolutely right by RebornData · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I advertise my consulting business using Adwords, and many of my clients have no idea that they clicked on a paid advertisement to get to me. I know this because I always ask how they found me. I've even had several inquire how I got my website ranked so highly on google... when I tell them that it's not, that they clicked on a paid ad, they often tell me I'm wrong! I had a client last week that *insisted* my site was in the free results, which I know is not the case for the keywords she claimed she used.

    Of course, I'm not complaining...

    -R

    1. Re:The survey is absolutely right by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some search engines are inserting paid results into the natural listings. I haven't found anyone that admits to it, but I know at least one major engine that is.

      Google is not that engine. One of the services my company has started selling is Adwords consulting. Anyone can set up an Adwords campaign, but not everyone is savvy enough to understand how it works and run a successful keyword campaign. One of our clients definitely isn't savvy - so we're helping them do this. It's not a huge budget.

      A friend of mine works for a company in Chicago that does this kind of thing on a much larger scale - millions of dollars in budget with major corporations. It's amazing how much work they put into tracking and reporting. It's not cheap.

      This is a huge business for some folks, and while you can spend a lot on a website it means JACK SQUAT if you don't drive traffic and increase conversions.

    2. Re:The survey is absolutely right by R2.0 · · Score: 1

      So, to look at it from another angle, you are selecting your clientele for low intelligence and/or observation skills.

      Is this bad or good?

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    3. Re:The survey is absolutely right by ad0gg · · Score: 1
      Check out this search

      Not only do progressive and geico show up #1 and #2 in the natural results, they also bought adwords and have a bid that places them #1 and #2 in adwords.

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    4. Re:The survey is absolutely right by demonbug · · Score: 1
      Probably like many of the people in this crowd, I couldn't even recall what the adword links looked like on Google - I'm always hearing about them, but I never really even look at them when I do a search. It took me a couple tries to come up with a search that even had adwords, but the result was sort of funny -


      News results for hard drives - View today's top stories
      Leggy brunette drives home hard lesson - Toronto Star - Jan 22, 2005


      Not one of the adwords, but I found it funny. The top result (well, sort of) had nothing whatsoever to do with what I was looking for (Western Digital and Seagate were the top two "real" results, with a couple of retailers being the top sponsored links, if you care - or are too lazy to do the search yourself). At least, I don't think it does - I didn't actually look at the linked article.

  54. Hmmm... by eno2001 · · Score: 1
    In addition to this astounding conclusion, the Pew Internet and American Life Project's survey of 2,200 adults (only 1,399 of which are actual internet users, mind you) also indicates that 92% of web searchers feel they are confident in their own searching abilities.

    I would hazard a guess that "actual internet users" means people who have an internet connection at home. Which would imply that the people outside of the 1,399 aer probably people who access the internet in a public area (cafe, library, town hall, etc..) or at their relative's home. So... no, I wouldn't guess that there is something wrong with the results. Simply something wrong with the way the report was written.

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    1. Re:Hmmm... by thegnu · · Score: 0

      So... no, I wouldn't guess that there is something wrong with the results. Simply something wrong with the way the report was written.

      Or read. The report seems fairly well written, and fairly technical at first glance. It's a pdf, so I can't search the document for instances of the word 'actual,' but I think it might be the poster's interpretation.

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  55. the majority means jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    51% of those surveyed actually believe George W. Bush was the best choice for the job.

    1. Re:the majority means jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ' 51% of those surveyed actually believe George W. Bush was the best choice for the job. '

      He was much better than his main opponent, for sure.

    2. Re:the majority means jack by thegnu · · Score: 0

      He was much better than his main opponent, for sure.

      You mean baby Jesus?

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  56. Re:Search Engines don't know the difference either by jratcliffe · · Score: 2, Informative

    Have you tried, say, searching for "doo-hickey REVIEW." Might be more likely to actually get you a review.

  57. Gore voters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was either then or the Gore voters in Florida, who were too dumb to realize "if you vote for Pat Buchanan, Pat Buchanan gets your vote".

  58. Inconceivable! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I do the math, 92% of 2200 is 2024. This means that Pew/Internet is saying that more people are confident with their web searching skills than actually use the Internet.


    Are you suggesting that, totally unlike Slashdot, people who have absolutely ZERO real knowledge about a subject might confidently assert their Sk1LLz?

    Inconceivable!
  59. hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe Google is evil?

  60. Making a Mountain out of a Mole Hill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The point of the post was to draw attention to ABC's shoddy reporting about a survey that had too small a sample of respondents to be of any value. There was, after all, a disclaimer in the post about something not being right. Get a grip, folks!

  61. This also proves by Joshua53077 · · Score: 0

    That 82% of Americans are seriously dumb In other news, 86% of Americans believe that Ron Popeil infomercials are actually talk shows with extremely interested audiences.

  62. Figures this is from Michael by sdowney · · Score: 1

    From the article: 84% of internet users have used search engines. On any given day, 56% of those online use search engines. 92% of those who use search engines say they are confident about their searching abilities, with over half of them, 52%, saying they're "very confident". Which should have been obvious even from the abstract. 'Web Searchers' != 'All survey respondents'.

  63. Lies, Damn Lies by tenor_clef · · Score: 1

    and statistics. :P

  64. Misinterpretation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    only 18% of adult web searchers can tell the difference between actual search results and advertisements.

    I suspect what the survey actually shows is that only 18% routinely distinguish between search results and ads. The way this is worded, though, implies that if you pulled up a search and asked them to point out which are adverts and which are real results, they would be unable to do so. Come on, 82% of people aren't so illiterate they can't understand "sponsored links" when they appear on a web page.

    1. Re:Misinterpretation by man_ls · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd say I'm quite the power user (hey, I'm posting here on /., aren't I?) and I deliberately *don't* differentiate between advertisements and search result pages when searching for tangible goods.

      Why?

      Oftentimes the "Sponsored Links" are more to-the-point with what I want to buy than searching out a vendor and clicking through their site.

    2. Re:Misinterpretation by thegnu · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I deliberately *don't* differentiate between advertisements and search result pages when searching for tangible goods.

      But you have the distinction between ads and search results. Which is all that matters. Sometimes you see an advertisement that demonstrates something you want, but it's good to know it's an advertisement. The problem is when people can't distinguish, not when they choose not to discriminate.

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  65. Submitter Can't Add by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nor has he ever posted a single comment to /. C'mon Michael we deserve better than this.

  66. Makes Sense actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After all, someone must be clicking on all those damn ads that pay for click-throughs. If they weren't the stupid things wouldn't be there anymore. Now I can rest assured that the stupid ads will always be there because most people don't even know they are ads and will click them...

  67. and the editor that approved also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nuf said

  68. Poor submitter appears to be 92% wrong.... by seanvaandering · · Score: 1
    And yet another reason why I don't submit articles - you've got the critical slashdot crowd looking over your every word...
    Survey Says Irishdaze Confused By Math
    Dude, relax. They are saying they interviewed 2200 adults

    I got one one for you dude..
    don't take GMAT, you will fail miserably if you can't see whose percentage they are talking about ...

    Your mistake...
    92% of web searchers != 92% of the surveyed adults

    submitter is confused
    The article says "92% of web searchers" not 92% of the respondents.....

    92% of What
    The survey said 92% of web searchers. Not 92% of the survey population.

    Statistical Problem
    The way that is phrased would indicate to me that it was 92% of those surveyed

    Yikes. I probably wouldn't post anything else for a long while submitter - the wolves are definately out tonight!
    1. Re:Poor submitter appears to be 92% wrong.... by Daxx_61 · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Though you would have thought whoever is screening the submissions would have picked that up. Or don't they read the articles?

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    2. Re:Poor submitter appears to be 92% wrong.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry. There's only a finate number of people who notice mistakes.

  69. What this survey is really about by Anonymous+Cowherd+X · · Score: 1

    ... of 2,200 adults (only 1,399 of which are actual internet users, mind you) also indicates that 92% of web searchers feel they are confident in their own searching abilities. When I do the math, 92% of 2200 is 2024. This means that Pew/Internet is saying that more people are confident with their web searching abilities.

    You are reading this the wrong way, this survey is not about internet searching abilities and confidence, it's about general arrogance and overconfidence. Which means 625 out of 2024 people (almost 31%) are typical pompous I-have-never-held-a-gun-but-I-am-confident-I-am-a- great-gunslinger type of Americans that everyone loves to hate.

    1. Re:What this survey is really about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would say that the general arrogance and overconfidence of that racist remark was at about 92%

  70. "2,200 adults, including 1,399 Internet users"..?? by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 1

    What is the point of surveying those who don't use internet, if you are surveying "search on the internet"??

    How is that noise going to contribute towards the final analysis?

  71. Dummies by fz00 · · Score: 1

    They get what they deserve.

  72. 52% of Americans cannot find USA on a globe by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1
    ...or whatever. Every once in a while you read about a survey result that makes you go, "How can people be sooo STUPID?"

    I mean, I don't consider myself all that super intelligent, esp. compared to some of the programmers/developers/sysadmins on places like slashdot. I know a guy who has a CS degree from Caltech, and just looking at the classes you need to pass to graduate makes me run in fear. But compared to the typical man on the street, I'm a fucking genius.

    The idea of a big nanny state knowing what's best for the little people and making all the decisions for them... almost makes me agree.

    1. Re:52% of Americans cannot find USA on a globe by k96822 · · Score: 1

      You are, like, this close to starting your paragraphs with, "Here I am, brain the size of a planet..." :-)

  73. Thugging by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a thug, I love it when maths students act like pompous little know-it-alls. It justifies the severe beatings.

  74. Google will be bothered by this eventually by aaron240 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sometimes it seems like even Google's wonderful AdWords program is fragile...especially it's business model.

    As soon everyone figures out Google's text ads, *are* ads, Web advertising will get kicked down another notch.

    Text ad blindness can't follow too far behind banner blindness, can it?

  75. Talk about confusing by suso · · Score: 1

    We used to run a google ad words when people searched for shell accounts or shell access and so on.

    One day, we got a request from some lady in Florida. When I called her to give her the password, she was REALLY confused. I told her I was calling to give her the password and she said "I haven't even received the card yet". I said "Card? You don't mean like a shell gas station card do you?". "Yeah", she replied.

    She had gone through our entire signup form and given her credit card information without even realizing that she wasn't on shell.com or something related to Shell Oil Company.

    Unbelievable!

  76. other polls by happycorp · · Score: 1
    Ignoring the fact that we may not have read this particular article correctly (which would be funny in itself -- a slashdot article that an article about people who don't understand, that doesn't understand the article, or something),

    I think this comes up not infrequently in polls. Leading up to the US election I saw two polls with seemingly contradictory results, stuff like

    - 60% think the situation in Iraq has made terrorism worse,
    - 58% think Bush is doing a good job on terrorism

  77. Informative? by rmsousa · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Dear mods.
    This answer is the opposite of the reality. This is called sarcasm, and is sometimes used to achieve a 'Funny' effect, but not usually to be 'informative'.

  78. Carlin dumber than most. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    ' "As the great George Carlin once said, look at how dumb the average person is, and realize that half are even dumber" '

    and Carlin is dumber than most. A tinfoil helmet nutjob, he was babbling about his paranoid "who is really in control" theories on public radio recently. Unfortunately, this was a candid from-the-heart interview, not a comedy monologue.

    1. Re:Carlin dumber than most. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and you fell for it.

    2. Re:Carlin dumber than most. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Oh come on, if Carlin was saying that, then I'm sure he was having folks on. I mean, this is the guy that was dissing (and doing it very well) the post 9-11 security nonsense as a major overreaction.

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  79. Right... by someonehasmyname · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile, most people don't know the difference between their address bar and ${search_engine}'s search field.

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  80. But Isn't That OK? by bjjohnson · · Score: 0

    Isn't it more of a reflection on our society? I wouldn't say that it is the search engines fault. (Except misdirected links to squating serach engines for hit money) I think that the average internet user can tell the diference. I also think that the average internet user in a hurry will bypass logical thinking and any anylitical skills in order to quickly find a result. I would like to see what affect the tab browsing capabilities of Firefox has had on searching the internet. Does the ability to quickly open a bunch of websites in background tabs increase the amount of sites recieving hits from misdirected search results...?

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  81. Americans by Trestop · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    This survey surveyed only residents of the USA, right ? so they can't really say "Internet Useres" when they only questioned users from one country. Last time I checked, the Internet was this kind of global network thingy that people from all over the world could use. The survey results should say: 80% of Americans are dumb. well - gee, its a HUGE surprise, I never would have guessed! thanks for letting us know. Now can we please get on with our peaceful lives, outside of the US of A, where people actually have a clue..

    1. Re:Americans by Anita+Coney · · Score: 2

      You can't say that 80% of Americans are dumb. Give us SOME credit. Only 51% of American voters chose Bush! That makes use mostly dumb, not almost entirely dumb.

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  82. Pron and searchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is intersting to note in the report that men are better and more frequent searchers then women. Is it because men have more practice...

    88% of men who are internet users have used search engines.
    79% of women who are internet users have used search engines.

    40% of online men search at least daily, with 28% searching several times a day.
    27% of women search at least daily, with 16% searching several times a day.

    54% of online men say they are very confident in their search abilities. 40% of women say they are very confident in their search abilities.
    43% of men have heard of the distinction between paid and unpaid results. 32% of women have heard of the distinction between paid and unpaid results.

  83. paid versus free by opaqueice · · Score: 1

    From the article: "The major search engines all return a mix of regular results, based solely on relevance to the search terms entered, and sponsored links, for which a Web site had paid money to get displayed more prominently." The thing is, I've read that many websites hire consultants to try to increase their ranking in the "free" results, rather than paying google or whomever directly. So the distinction is a bit vauge anyway.

  84. so, what's the point of all this flab? by viva_fourier · · Score: 1

    Are these 82% of "web searchers from a limited polling" then a bunch of idiots, or are they just by-products of our consumer-oriented marketeering?

    Would anyone out there venture to say that "82%" of those people searching might be doing so to support some need to buy something anyway? After all, the whole intent of search engines is to find information -- I wouldn't believe anyone that told me more than "18%" of web-searchers are searching for mere educational/enlightenment purposes(no pr0n doesn't count here).

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  85. This is the whole point of Adwords though by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I advertise my consulting business using Adwords, and many of my clients have no idea that they clicked on a paid advertisement to get to me. I know this because I always ask how they found me. I've even had several inquire how I got my website ranked so highly on google... when I tell them that it's not, that they clicked on a paid ad, they often tell me I'm wrong! I had a client last week that *insisted* my site was in the free results, which I know is not the case for the keywords she claimed she used.

    Why is this a problem? People search for information and they get links about companies which provide products and/or services which may help them. They may also get general inforamtion in the free results. Now, ideally, the ads should be worded such to make them clearly commerce-related, and they are different enough that someone who knows the difference can spot them. But from a user's perspective, what's the difference? Iether way, they are finding what they are looking for (hopefully).

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    1. Re:This is the whole point of Adwords though by RebornData · · Score: 1

      Who said it was a problem? :-) Most customers that find my company this way seem very pleased to have done so... so I do think it serves them well. But it still somehow *feels* a little misleading to me.

      -R

  86. BREAKING NEWS by bStrom · · Score: 1

    Only 18% of the American public is actually intelligent.

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  87. What ads? by Matt+Perry · · Score: 4, Informative
    Be confused no more. Add this to your userContent.css file. Anyone have entries for other search engines that use text ads?
    /* Remove ads from Google search results */
    @-moz-document url-prefix(http://www.google.com/) {
    table[width="25%"][align="right"][bgColor="#ffffff "] {
    display: none ! important
    }
    }

    /* Remove ads from Froogle */
    @-moz-document url-prefix(http://froogle.google.com/) {
    td[valign="top"][width="20%"][align="right"] > table {
    display: none ! important
    }
    }

    /* Remove ads from Gmail */
    @-moz-document url-prefix(http://gmail.google.com/gmail) {
    #rh table[class="metatable"] {
    display: none !important;
    }
    #rh div[class="c"] {
    display: none !important;
    }
    }

    /* Remove ads from Google Groups */
    @-moz-document url-prefix(http://groups-beta.google.com/) {
    /* Remove ads from Google Groups message detail view */
    table[id="rn"] {
    display: none ! important
    }
    /* Remove ads from Google Groups search results */
    table[width="200"][align="right"] {
    display: none ! important
    }
    }
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    1. Re:What ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does this only work on Mozilla?

      How do you set up for Safari?

    2. Re:What ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean you voluntarily sit through ads on TV between shows AND never use the time to go to the bathroom, kitchen, etc...?

      Same reason... My right to see what I want... personally, I dont object to side-ads at all. I wish they'd kill the inline ones though. They are annoying.

    3. Re:What ads? by Matt+Perry · · Score: 2, Informative

      The @-moz-document url-prefix() statements will only work on Mozilla 1.8a3 and above. I'm pretty sure they'll make it into Firefox 1.1. As for Safari, you'd have to try it out and maybe remove the @-moz-document url-prefix() parts. The stylesheet should work on anything that is supporting CSS3 selectors.

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    4. Re:What ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      While you're adding that, here's some stuff to make ArsTechnica look nicer. In my experience, it doesn't break any websites if you add it without the "@-moz-document url-prefix" (for those using Firefox or older Mozilla releases).
      /* Fix up Ars */
      @-moz-document url-prefix(http://arstechnica.com/) {
      body[id="FrontPage"] {
      background-image: none ! important;
      }
      body[id="ContentPage"] {
      background-image: none ! important;
      }
      div[id='SideBar'] {
      display: none !important;
      }
      div[id='ContentBanner'] {
      margin-top: 0px !important;
      margin-bottom: 0px !important;
      margin-right: 0px !important;
      padding-top: 0px !important;
      display: none !important;
      }
      div[class='PanelAd'] {
      margin-top: 0px !important;
      margin-bottom: 0px !important;
      margin-right: 0px !important;
      margin-left: 0px !important;
      display: none !important;
      }
      div[id='FeaturedArticlesBlock']{
      width: 330px !important;
      margin-top: -2px !important;
      }
      div[id='FeaturedArticle']{
      margin-right: 410px !important
      }
      div[id='NewsSummary']{
      margin-right: 410px !important
      }
      div[id='TopNav']{
      margin-right: 1px !important
      }
      div[id='SubFeatureBar']{
      margin-right: 1px !important
      }
      img[class='BottomCrest']{
      display: none
      }
      div[id='ContentArea']{
      margin-right: 50px !important;
      margin-top: 10px !important;
      }
      div[class='ContentBlock']{
      margin-right: 60px !important;
      margin-left: 100px !important;
      }
      div[id='AdminPagelet']{
      width: 0px !important;
      padding: 0px !important;
      }
      div[id='BottomMenu']{
      padding-top: 6px !important;
      padding-bottom: 12px !important;
      margin-bottom: 20px !important;
      }
      p[class='Copyright']{
      display: none;
      }
      img[id='MastHeadRightLogo']{
      display: none;
      }
      }
  88. All Drivers: Above Average by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of studies that show something like 85% of drivers think they are above average in terms of safety and skill. Humans are masters of this sort of self-delusion, but mostly it comes out of shear ignorance. Intelligent slashdot-worthy people are a tiny minority of the people using the web. That's a good, good thing: it keeps the rest of us employed. This is something to celebrate, especially if you run a web site that uses AdSense.

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  89. Illiteracy Tax by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    This is a very good turn of affairs. People too illiterate to distinguish between raw results and ads are a marketer's dream, and their unwitting business subsidizes the whole system. While the rest of us can usually distinguish the two, and so avoid the ads. As long as 82% are so easily fooled, the ad biz won't spend the time and money to blur the distinction any more, fooling more of us. Just like innumerate state lottery players subsidize education budgets. In the kingdom of the couch potato, the remote-carrying man is king.

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  90. Special Advertising Section by VojakSvejk · · Score: 1

    OK, probably redundant, in the "they're dumb, Jim" department, but I wonder how many people notice the difference between an article in a magazine, and something on a page marked "SPECIAL ADVERTISING SECTION"?

    On the other hand, I'm not sure there's usually much difference, anyway

    1. Re:Special Advertising Section by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      On the other hand, I'm not sure there's usually much difference, anyway

      Not with Popular Science/Mechanics, that's for sure.

  91. Clearly they managed to interview... by bob670 · · Score: 1

    my dad, mom, in-laws, aunts, uncles and every boss I have ever had. These results surprise NO ONE!

  92. Search engines need warning labels! by scotay · · Score: 2

    "Results may contain ads."
    "Do not eat search results."
    "Search results may not be used for personal hygiene."

  93. Not so surprised... by KontinMonet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Even self-proclaimed 'expert' users sometimes amaze me with their search results. One SysAdmin I know had an idea for a product that he was going to build with a friend of his. He drew me pictures, gave an outline of expected profits. He said that he'd done quite a bit of searching on the Net and couldn't find any competition. I thought that was odd and sat at his terminal and within a few minutes, found nine companies selling almost exactly the product he'd described on both sides of the Atlantic, from basic to luxury with a wide range of prices. He promptly gave up the idea. (Perhaps I should have charged consultancy?)

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  94. Re:"2,200 adults, including 1,399 Internet users". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    If you knew you were only surveying internet users, you'd have a more biased set of data, and wouldn't get some of the other results they listed.

  95. You think? by dswensen · · Score: 2, Funny

    Survey Says Internet Users Confuse Shit, Shinola

    Survey Says Internet Users Confuse Ass, Hole in the Ground

    Survey Says Internet Users Unaware Bears Shit in Woods

    Survey Says Internet Users Unable to Find Own Head with Both Hands, Flashlight

    Survey Says Internet Users Approximately as Smart as Submarine Screen Door, Rubber Crutch, Solar-Powered Flashlight

  96. Re:Search Engines don't know the difference either by cortana · · Score: 2, Informative

    All I get then is "buy doohickey at dealtime.com" type sites. :)

  97. hmmm.... I wonder... by immortalpob · · Score: 1

    The survey says: 55% of searchers say about half the information they search for is important to them and half is trivial. 28% of searchers say most of the information they search for is important to them. 17% of searchers say most of the information they search for is trivial. But which category do they think pron searches fall into?

  98. argh... by Kent+Recal · · Score: 1

    how come crap like this goes to frontpage while my submit of paris_hilton_2.mpg is rejected the third time...

  99. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Simple question. Why block these ads? Are you offended by the very idea of advertising? They've created the least annoying and most relevant form of advertising the web has seen. If you can accept any advertising at all, surely this is it.

    I block ads that are annoying and/or misleading[1], but leave the rest alone. I guess if you find it difficult to distinguish between an ad and an actual search result then you might feel that these are misleading ads, but I've never had this problem with Google (or maybe I'm in the 82% that don't know the difference).

    [1] Actually, I usually block advertisers that use these tactics. Blocking individual ads is too time-consuming and not effective enough.

    1. Re:Why? by Matt+Perry · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Simple question. Why block these ads?
      For a handful of reasons:

      After discovering that Mozilla had added the ability to have style be limited to certain URLs I wanted more practice with CSS and fixing issues with web sites that bother me or make it difficult for me to read them. The first thing I fixed was the message display in the new Google Groups. I was annoyed that they had changed the display of message bodies from a monospaced font to a proportional font. I'm a shell script junkie so this change had made scripts and code snippets in Usenet postings hard to read. Google Groups has an algorithm to check each line to see if it should be monospaced or not but it usually makes things worse. So I coooked up this:
      /* Display messages on google groups in monospaced font */
      @-moz-document url-prefix(http://groups-beta.google.com/) {
      DIV[class=mbody] {
      font-family: monospace ! important;
      font-size: medium;
      }
      DIV[class=mbody] pre {
      margin: 0 ! important;
      font-size: medium;
      }
      /* 100% width for search results */
      .r {
      width: 100% !important
      }
      }
      After that was done I realized that the ads on the Google Groups search results overlapped the search results themselves. It problem doesn't help that I have an poor vision, even with glasses, and have to use a 20pt font just to be able to read things. The ads overlapping my search results were hindering me reading the information that I needed. So I removed those.

      Wanting to work on something more challenging I decided to try and remove the ads from all of the Google sites that I use. Google doesn't use stylesheets everywhere so I had to learn more about CSS3 selectors and try to isolate the elements that contained the ads.

      Anyway, I don't feel bad about this at all. The ads don't contribute to my online experience; In fact, they take away from it as they are just more information that I must scan with my eyes and process. Better to remove them altogether. Removing them also has the benefit that I have more of my screen real-estate back like with the Google Groups search results. At my font size, some web pages can get pretty cramped.

      Last, and this might sound silly, but after living on the Eastern US for many years and then moving to the San Francisco bay area, I was surprised to notice that there are no billboards on the sides of the roads, save for some large cities like San Francisco itself. This made me have a new appreciation for an ad-free environment. It's so nice to be able to see and enjoy the beautiful scenery around here without having that view interrupted by someone trying to sell me something. Since then I've noticed that I'm advertised to constantly. I receive junk mail in my regular mailbox, spam in my email boxes, telemarketing calls, ads on the radio, ads on the TV, ads that I can't skip before movies on DVDs that I bought, ads in the theatre before I watch a movie, ads in magazines, ads in newspapers, etc. It's relentless and overwhelming.

      At least I can do something about it. I use spamassassin and milter-sender on my mail server. I put my address on the DMA no-mail list. I put my address on the list to not allow credit checks by credit card companies. I put my phone number on the do-not-call list. And if I can weed out the ads on web sites then I'll do that too. I use the same policy with web ads as I do spam. My browser, my rules. Just because it's on your page doesn't mean you can dictate how or what part of it is shown to me.

      Meanwhile, I'm having a blast with style sheets and the URL limiting in Mozilla. It's really enriched my browsing experience.
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    2. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point about Google Groups' annoying fonts. Man, that place has gone downhill. I used to use it all the time, now I rarely go there. I might have to try some of your fix-up techniques to see if I can make it useable again.

      The large font size causing ads to be extra annoying (by covering or overlapping content) I totally get. I would probably do the same if I had that problem.

      I don't feel obligated to view web page ads myself, but I do think it's different from spam (and billboards, telemarketers, etc.) in that web sites offer content that is of interest to me, otherwise I wouldn't be there. Therefore I feel that it's a good thing to allow them to show me ads because it helps support them (granted, I think they only actually get paid for clicks, but there is some non-zero probability that I'll click an ad if I see it). Spam and telemarketers, on the other hand, don't offer me anything except annoyance.

      I completely agree with your point about the growing pervasiveness of advertising. Frankly, it's frightening. There's no sign of it stopping, and I fear the possibility of a Minority Report-like future. I guess I don't feel that rejecting all advertising (or as much as possible) is necessarily the solution. Encouraging responsible advertising (a concept that seems to be entirely foriegn to most advertisers, unfortunately) seems reasonable.

      I find it interesting that the importance of advertising, if not the amount advertising, seems to be diminishing thanks to the internet. I constantly see people seeking opinions and recommendations from discussion groups, and people promoting the products that they like. It's more reliable than advertising and more useful. When you can get information customized for your needs from people who aren't being paid to sell you something, advertising loses all meaning and the quality of the product becomes a more important factor. How nice would it be if companies had no reason to spend wads of cash on ads, and every reason to focus on simply making a better product?

    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never clicked on an ad (in 10 years of using the Internet), so why look at them. They just distract me.

    4. Re:Why? by jhernand · · Score: 1

      > I block ads that are annoying and/or misleading[1], but leave the rest alone

      I think "sponsored links" is a misleading form of "paid advertisements," which is what they should be required to state.

    5. Re:Why? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Are you offended by the very idea of advertising? - yes, when I didn't ask for it.
      I am sure there are places where you can go to read the ads, for example the newspapers, yahoo directories etc.

      I don't need ads to just appear in front of me as if I was requesting them.

    6. Re:Why? by damiam · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The ads don't contribute to my online experience;

      If you use Google, then the ads are contributing to your online experience. If they weren't there, you wouldn't be able to use Google.

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    7. Re:Why? by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. If they weren't there then Google would have found another way to generate income.

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    8. Re:Why? by damiam · · Score: 1

      Such as? If Google had any other magic revenue-generating ideas up its sleeve, it'd be using them.

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    9. Re:Why? by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

      So you must be Google management to know that for a fact then?

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    10. Re:Why? by damiam · · Score: 1

      No, it's fucking common sense.

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    11. Re:Why? by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

      I don't think that it's common sense. Google isn't going to rely on one source of income. They currently have other ways of making money besides ad revenue including their search appliances and Google Answers. Ads make up a majority of that income but they've been at that longer. They'll deversify their income. There's no reason to believe that they could have done this from the start with another source of revenue other than ads. So I still stand by my assertion that there could have been, and probably would have been, a Google if they had not pursued revenue from ads.

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    12. Re:Why? by damiam · · Score: 1
      You can't seriously say that Google could have funded its web search from the beginning selling search appliances; the SA only sells because of google.com's great web search. Many other sites run schemes similar to Google Answers, and few even break even, let alone generate enough profit to fund a 100000-server search company on the side.

      Ads are currently 95% of Google's income. No other income source comes anywhere near. If Google management could make more money from other sources, they would do so; it's their job as a publicly held company. Since they don't seem to have any other ideas for magic revenue generation, and I haven't heard any from you either, it's safe to assume that ads are necessary for Google's existance.

      Unless you're suggesting that they should have just borrowed a bunch of venture capital, created a great search service with no business plan, and waited for it to go bankrupt in a couple of years.

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  100. A Sad but true fact. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    About 1/2 of the population has below average
    intelligence.

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    1. Re:A Sad but true fact. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That is correct - about 1/2 the population believes that all averages come out of bell-curve like patterns - with 49.999% on one side and 49.999% on the other. As pointed out before, with two zeros and eight ones, you can have 80% "above average". Turn that around to eight zeros and two ones, and with the same group of ten digits you now have only 20% "above average".

    2. Re:A Sad but true fact. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Roughly half the population has below median intelligence.

    3. Re:A Sad but true fact. by starm_ · · Score: 1

      And don't forget the 0.002% right in the middle.

  101. I was going to complain by Abhorsen · · Score: 1

    But then i relized that this was an american survey. Lets face it, their not the sharpest tools in the box.

    1. Re:I was going to complain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before you accuse someone of not being sharp, you may want to use the correct "they're".

  102. Herbal viagra by WickedClean · · Score: 1

    Are these people questioned the sames ones who buy Herbal Viagra from spam email?

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  103. This has already been proven by Glamdrlng · · Score: 1
    ...that 92% of web searchers feel they are confident in their own searching abilities.
    Studies have already shown this pattern: the dumber you are, the smarter you think you are.
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  104. Don't confuse ignorance with stupidity. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Before when people needed to look up information Like a company or service they would look in the Yellow Pages, These yellow pages have Adds mixed in with the other entries (which are still adds but they paid more for the big ones). Now searching the Internet you see these adds as well. Most people probably realized that a companies paid good or whoever to make these adds stick out but what they don't realize that the adds may not be in the order of best match searched. So if the add has what you looking for then they click it, if there is stuff on it they want they use the site if not then the go down the list.

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  105. More orthogonal than parallel by Surt · · Score: 1

    You may be correctly confident of your search abilities despite being unable to pick out the ads. Searching is finding what you want, if the ads happen to contain what you want, your search was successful, and your confidence in your search abilities was not misplaced.

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  106. 18% of adult web searchers can tell the difference by Glamdrlng · · Score: 1

    And in other news, 82% of adult web searchers are goddamn morons.

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  107. This just out by leehwtsohg · · Score: 1

    Research found that 92% of newspaper editors can not tell the difference between a scientific study and a cleverly disguised add.

  108. Where is the questionnaire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the Pew article there is a link to /pdfs/Search Module of MayJune04 Tracking Topline.pdf but it doesn't exist. The closest I could find was PIP_Data_Memo_Searchengines.pdf, which has some questions, but nothing about sponsored links.

  109. a toast fellow slashdotters by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    for we are the 18%

  110. Muddling the truth again by wondafucka · · Score: 1

    So 18% of people who answered the phone and didn't hang up can't tell the difference. Go figure.

  111. In related news... by gardyloo · · Score: 1

    Pew research says "Whoever smelt it, dealt it."

  112. Re:Bush voters? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    49% of them voted for Bush too! You can probably discount those as people who barely know how not to drool on themselves.

    But the Bible told them, "Thall Shalt Drool" :-)

  113. Did they interview slashdot? by glenebob · · Score: 1

    Only 18% can tell the difference between an ad and a non-ad???

    They must have interviewed all the slashdot editors...

  114. Survey methodology flawed by Infonaut · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The fact that the survey was conducted by phone makes me wary of the results.

    For one thing, most people have a very hard time talking about the elements of computer interfaces. As someone who works on web interface development for clients, time and time again people will look at a comp, then when discussing the comp from memory will miss vital aspects of the comp or have a difficult time describing which elements of the comp they want altered and why.

    This is a case where observed use would provide much better insight into how people interact with paid search ads. It's like the difference between focus group recommendations and usability testing results. Almost always there are differences between what people say they want when you're talking about it on the phone and what they actually want when they're sitting in front of a computer.

    Also, I find it annoying that they didn't break the results out by engine. Not all paid advertising is set aside in the same fashion, and my guess is that results would vary by engine. The Pew folks likely have their reasons for keeping the results aggregated, but it also makes the information less valuable, because it doesn't reveal what specific aspects of advertiser identification work and which don't.

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  115. what's the difference? by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    If the ads are relevant to you information search, why should they not be considered search results. Google gives you ads that it thinks you're interested in based on your search criteria, so in a way they are search results. Often the ads seem more relevant to my searches then the actual search results.

    1. Re:what's the difference? by fciron · · Score: 1

      I agree. If I want the HP support page and it comes up in the ads I'll click there. Hell, it doesn't cost me anything and it means the internet will be there when I log on tomorrow.

  116. I Feel Lucky? Miserable Failure. by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

    OKay, I thought of such grass-roots blogger manipulations as Google's miserable failure (try it) search going to President Bush that went around to everyone, yet people trust search engine results?

    But then, Whatever-God-There-Is help me, I RTFA.

    Most people can't tell that the results in the box labeled "sponsored results" are paid-for ADVERTISEMENTS???

    Quoting TFA:

    Google Inc. marks such ads as "sponsored links," Yahoo Inc. terms them "sponsor results" and Microsoft Corp.'s MSN uses "sponsored sites." Such ads are placed to the right and on top of the regular search results, in some cases highlighted in a different color.

    But only 38 percent of Web searchers even know of the distinction, and of those, not even half 47 percent say they can always tell which are paid. That comes out to only 18 percent of all Web searchers knowing when a link is paid.


    Who was it, P.T. Barnum who said something like "Never underestimate the stupidity of the public" (I know, he's also attributed with "There's a sucker born every minute")?

    This is enough to make me lose a lot of hope in the future. I never thought people were THIS stupid. Pardon my while I invest in sponsored search engine links. When the world ends I might as well have money.

    This doesn't even go into result manipulations making sites appearing more popular with sandbox submissions and such. But that's way too subtle a point for this article.

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  117. In Other News by benw1979 · · Score: 1

    In other news, 18% of adult web searchers are idiots.

  118. Adblock by bergwitz · · Score: 1

    Or use Adblock

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    1. Re:Adblock by daliman · · Score: 1

      Is it possible to get adblock to block text advertising? I haven't noticed that capability anywhere.

    2. Re:Adblock by Matt+Perry · · Score: 1

      Looks like it only works on Firefox. I use Mozilla.

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  119. Adsense by webview · · Score: 1

    Well that makes adsense

  120. Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    There is a pretty clear seperation on Google between the ad-links and the search results. The ads are even in a much smaller area than the results and have the text Sponsored Links above them. Of course, the majority of people in this country can't seem to pay attention to small but obvious details.

    Kind of sad to think of the person who sees the seizure-like flashing ad "ARE YOU STUPID" (no joke) and thinks it's a search result.

  121. Says the Advertisers... by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1

    "That's the fscking point!"

  122. I don't think this means what they say it does by curmudgeon+kate · · Score: 1
    The article says:
    But only 38 percent of Web searchers even know of the distinction, and of those, not even half 47 percent say they can always tell which are paid. That comes out to only 18 percent of all Web searchers knowing when a link is paid.

    Something clearly got lost in summarization here. Besides the mysterious "half 47 percent", the first sentence claims that a certain percentage of respondents "say they can always tell...", and the second draws the conclusion that this means that group are the only ones who can tell paid from unpaid ads.

    It could just as well be that the other group of web searchers can tell the difference just fine, but aren't secure about it or aren't willing to say "always," or perhaps they don't trust that the search engines are labeling things accurately.

    It could also be that the ones who say they're always able to tell are dead wrong.

    I think it would be much more interesting to know how people did in practice, rather than what they reported over the phone.

    1. Re:I don't think this means what they say it does by antispam_ben · · Score: 1

      I interpreted that as someone who doesn't know to put commas around a phrase or clause. I think it should read:

      not even half, 47 percent, say they can always tell which are paid.

      Thus fewer than half say they can always tell the difference, and the actual figure was 47 percent.

      curmudgeon kate (224171) wrote:

      I think it would be much more interesting to know how people did in practice, rather than what they reported over the phone.

      That's scary, the actual numbers could be even lower.

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  123. Not the study, but another interesting one. by 955301 · · Score: 1

    Check your paws guys (yes, I know women read /. too, but this one is a study on males). This study correlates depression with the relative length of the ring finger to your height. It then correlates this to prenatal testosterone, prenatal testosterone to more growth of the right hemisphere of the brain (at the expense of the left), and therefore to some aspects of intelligence (susceptability to autism, etc).

    Interesting stuff.

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    1. Re:Not the study, but another interesting one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know women read /. too

      +1 Funny

  124. Optimism by idontneedanickname · · Score: 1

    I think you're being a little optimistic about how much control most people have over their emotions.

    1. Re:Optimism by daft_one · · Score: 1

      I think... aww hell with it, where's my rum?

  125. ObBill&Ted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, that's US dude!

  126. The bottom line is, 82% of people are very stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No big surprise.

  127. Re:Goal ... IS... to Mix Ads and Search Results by nsingapu · · Score: 1

    The goal of advertisers is specifically not to get accidental clicks, atleast when, as with adwords, the clicks are based on a cost per click (cpc) model as opposed to a cost per impression (cpi or cpm) one. There is no benifit to the advertisor to pay for a click that will not convert, and as I breifly touch on below natural results (or confused searchers) do not convert as well as paid ones.

    Adwords blurs the line to some extent, because they figure the click through rate into the cost per click - ads which are clicked more often pay less for each click, but in the long run as an advertiser you still pay more overall.

    In any case I question the statistics given (and particularly so with google users) because those site I run that are positioned well via both advertising and natural results often demonstrate the advertising to convert far more effectively (as measured by metrics such as page views per visitor). Generally natural results bring bulk crap traffic while paid ones intice lower volume but higher quality visitors.

  128. Where the hell do you live? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in the Bay Area too, and grew up 'back east', and AFAICT there's plenty of billboards out here.

  129. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    those same survey subjects confused their asses and elbows.

  130. mind you those who can't tell are using Lynx by rofthorax · · Score: 1

    hahahahah!!

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