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WinOS+QEMU+Knoppix 3.8 = WinKnoppix!
chronicon writes "As reported earlier Knoppix 3.8 was presented and CD's distributed at CeBIT recently. For those of us who were not able to attend, some kind folks have posted a torrent for all to enjoy.
Now, here's where it really gets interesting. Using QEMU (processor emulator) chris-uk has posted a modified version of Knoppix 3.8 that will run under Windows if auto-played, or if you wish, you can boot the CD for normal Knoppix. You can find the torrent here."
Can it run WINE?
Knoppix continues to be all that and a bag of chips :)
You're right, I wouldn't steal a car. But if it were possible, I sure as hell would download one!
You can save Knoppix settings to a drive. Presumably the people have done this (couldn't RTFA, site is slashdotted)
What is the point? What is the point of art? What is the point of music? What is the point of climbing everest? What is the point of spinners? I digress. . . The point is well - hey it is cool! ( I think) :)
Is import all the settings across from windows and you can tell you granny it's the latest version of the internet and your away.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Gesundheit.
i never tried out qemu, but i suspect it to be substantially slower than a native knoppix boot.
on top of qemu comes the fact, that the whole system runs from a cd, which by itself has bad seek times.
i hope that people won't get false implessions, because they will get that 'linux runs slower than windows' feeling.
Only morons moderate based on a sig.
Because you can then let people try before they buy without even needing to reboot.
It just removes one more hurdle. People aren't going to wipe out their system just because the local geek said "its ready for the desktop".
People need some proof that it really is better.
liqbase
Quick! Someone boot the server with a Knoppix CD!
$cat
You don't need to wipe your system, Knoppix is live eval. Isn't that proof enough?
I understand people are supposed to login for getting torrents of illegal stuff. Why are we supposed to login for getting a legal torrent?
You want to put a perfectly good running OS on a shiddy Windows base why?
I've recently been looking into running Linux on my primary desktop to record music with. I could never get the Knoppix live CD to run correctly on my Gateway X700 system. I'll have to try this version and see if I can get anything to work.
Linux has been a frustration of mine for the past 4 years. I know a smattering of Unix commands and even armed with that I still can't ever seem to get a program downloaded and working like I can with windows. I'm looking forward to trying it again before I make the move to DeMudi.
Is there heaven? Is there Hell? Is that a Tuna Melt I smell?-Primus
free, is it?
"Who says nothing is impossible? Some people do it every day!" - Alfred E. Neuman
You're right about Knoppix not needing an installation process, but in the case of naive Windows users, even asking them to reboot can be a scary concept for them.
The other case where I can see this being useful is when you're trying to demonstrate Knoppix to someone and they already have work running on their Windows desktop - spreadsheets, telnet sessions, and things of that nature. If they can see Linux running within a window, they'll be much more likely to play around with it since they know that they can just click a close box and return to their normal routine whenever they want.
It may not work for everyone, but for those people who this can influence, I see nothing wrong with extra shiny things to attract the naive.
what about a Beowulf cluster of these?
It is all about migration paths from windows to linux. Linux is easier to demonstrate to bosses/CTOs this way rather than rebooting.
In the Slashdot moderating system, humourless based offenses are considered especially heinous.
How do you explain to your friend/relative whos computer is configured to NOT boot from cd to change their BIOS settings?
I agree though, Live eval cds are invaluable, and are preferable to running a slower emulated environment, but this cd allows both options, so why not say its a good thing?
liqbase
I don't think running under an emulator off a CDROM will give the best impression of linux speed!
If your clever you should be able to page out windows, and boot the linux kernel warm.
I think that's more or less what VMWare does.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
From the reports I've seen, qemu is VERY slow. Is there an advantage to qemu over coLinux? I've been using coLinux to give me Linux under Windows for about a year now, and there is a lot to be said for native execution speed. You also get networking, and recently easy access of the native Windows filesystems without employing samba-type file sharing.
Of course, it's difficult to deny the power of running a gameboy emulator on a GBA emulator on a Linux emulator on a Windows emulator on your Mac...
Hence the hype surrounding Novell shipping Xen in the next version of SuSE...
If you have an MSDN Universal Subscription, then yes, it is "free"
Holy crap!!! the Poster actually linked a .torrent, maybe all the complaining actually got somewhere.
Now only if others would follow.
Im glad
I like booting Knoppix in VMWare! Same concept.
Oh the horror of rebooting a windows machine!!! I'd say that it's akin to the terror of sleep, but sleep only comes once a day
90% of everything is crap. Also, crap is relative.
Here's the Coral Cache and the Mirrordot Mirror.
Anyone know if the torrent is the German version KNOPPIX? Been holding out on trying remastering and USB install until this came out, but my high-school german is fairly rusty.
... grumble, grumble, grumble, mutter, mutter, Millenium... Hand... Shrimp, I tol' 'em, I tol' 'em.
how is this news? some guy put in qemu to a distro and this makes it to slashdot?
I got news damnsmall linux has been doing this for sometime now in an "embeded" download to test out the distribution in windows. Running linux inside of windows at 1/10 normal speed isn't gonna make people switch over to linux any faster....
CoLinux is also a very handy package for running linux on windows. It installs linux on a single file on your HD, then runs linux on it, and you can access it throught VNC. So you can have windows and linux sharing the same machine and HD, running at the same time, on different windows. Pretty handy.
http://www.colinux.org
You can use it to run linux from some other partition too. It comes with a version of debian built it, but there are other packages for other distros.
You can also try topologilinux.
http://wwwtopologilinux.com
It's a bundled installation of coLinux and slackware with all bells and whistles.
Actually, it is for me. I'm a IT Major in college, and we're partnered with the MSDNAA, so I get a lot of Microsoft products for free.
I'm hoping they will release it as an installable distro at some point. The demo scripts worked great for patching different applications through jackd w/ ALSA. Very cool.
Ummm.. it's standards complient XHTML and CSS 2, it should render ok if Firefox, Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, Konqueror, whatever ships with the mac.
IE is probably picking the brail and screenreader or largefont CSS, which funnnly enough has large text, a small menu at the top and the main menu at the bottom.
If there's a setting in IE that lets you select the style sheet to apply main.css
Apart from that I may add IE7 to the site in an attempt to fix IE.
Why are you using IE if you have firefox?
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
but the wireless communications that carry the code for this software will propigate into space forever.. your puny mountain will only last until our Sun runs out of hydrogen and helium.
** "It's not my job to stand between the people talking to me, and the ones listening to me." -- Pego the Jerk
This CD wasen't setup just to see how many people he could piss off.
This in my opinion will be great to friends who still are incapable of going to the BIOS and changing it to boot from the CD-ROM.
Looks ok in Firefox though.
That's all that matters then...
We all know what to do, but we don't know how to get re-elected once we have done it
'Seriously linux users, you're operating system wont make up for the fact that girls are repulsed by your bodies.'
That's ok, I'm gay.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
but in the case of naive Windows users, even asking them to reboot can be a scary concept for them.
Hmm, I think you're exaggerating a bit... Windows users should (and I'm not even joking) be quite used to booting and rebooting their systems. Even my mom would understand the implications of restarting the computer.
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
Currently 9 seeds and 542 peers, this is a good test of torrent scalability. Even if it takes a while to ramp up, this would kill just about any server on the net, kind of amazing how any of this works at all. :-)
Cwm, fjord-bank glyphs vext quiz
without the need to reboot. Run them side by side and compare the features.
It is, after all, emulation, so don't expect to break speed records with it. Also that IP connection limitation in XP won't be broken by running KNOPPIX in an emulator.
Now KNOPPIX can join the ranks of MacOS 8.1 (BasiliskII), AmigaOS 3.1 (Amiga Forever), as yet another OS emulated under Windows.
The advantage I see for this is that web developers will finally be able to check how their web pages look under different browsers and operating systems without having to reboot Windows each time they want to look how it looks under Linux.
The next step is to make KNOPPIX run AntiVirus, AntiSpyware, AntiAdware, and AntiTrojan removal programs and make any FAT32, FAT16, or NTFS partition as read/write so the Malware can be removed. Yet what is the point when you can run the KNOPPIX HD Install script and get rid of Windows and all of its flaws that allow Malware to be installed in the first place.
P.S. I am moving to KANOTIX now, it seems to be a bit better than KNOPPIX.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
> but in the case of naive Windows users, even asking them to reboot can be a scary concept for them.
You have GOT to be kidding. Rebooting is the first thing Windows users learn how to do properly!
The unofficial
I was not aware of auppix, thanks for the link!
Is there heaven? Is there Hell? Is that a Tuna Melt I smell?-Primus
QEMU is an EMULATOR. They want to demo linux to windows users running under a full blown emulator? I can see it now. "This lunix thing looks nice, but it's just so SLOW!".
They're going to end up convincing dumb windows users that Linux is slow as hell!
Before you say anything, keep in mind that they are running QEMU on windows, and the QEMU virtualizer is closed-source and linux only. So they can ONLY do full emulation.
knoppix.net is really slow and the forum is /.'ed, people must be storming that site with this news out.
/.'ed but not posted on slashdot? I mean, no direct link, everyone just goes there themselves.
Is this this the first time a site has been
I christen it, the slashdot halo effect.
The preceding message was based on actual events. Only the names, locations and events have been changed.
People need some proof that it really is better.
This isn't intended to be a troll; but Windows is better for some things, like playing games.
Following the QEMU list, this was done some time back by a Japanese developer Kuniyasu Suzaki I believe.
.EXE from CD.
Discussions ensued about how to make it faster... some patches are available to directly mount the compressed Knoppix volume so that portion doesn't need to be emulated. Also, the SaveVM feature was improved, so rather than boot knoppix, just keep a compressed VM ram image on the Knoppix CD. That makes it boot instantaneously.
QEMU is the fastest thing going as far as Free emulators, given more improvements on the virtualization side, I think this will be *the* way to run Knoppix for Windows users that just want to try it out. The speed will come in time.
Some of us pushed for features like User Mode Networking in QEMU just for this purpose. Windows users in larger corporations often do not have administrator level rights, so they can't install any special drivers. So Knoppix under QEMU can get right to the net on any Windows box that will run a
-- John.
I'll think about building the site in html just for those people still using IE6.
If I had the source code to IE6 I would consider fixing the problem.
IE accounts for 12.5% this of this months visitors
1 28456 77.02% Mozilla/5.0
2 4705 12.73% MSIE 6.0
and less 9% for the month before
1 42064 77.66% Mozilla/5.0
2 4689 8.66% Konqueror/3.3
3 4609 8.51% MSIE 6.0
This assumes that all browsers are reporting the correct version.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Hey, I take naps, and admit it you sometimes take naps too...
We all know what to do, but we don't know how to get re-elected once we have done it
Why are you using IE if you have firefox?
I can't live without ActiveX.... just kidding! hmm.... I'm kinda used to the IE interface - habit I guess. Been using it for years, since I never liked Netscape. Also, Firefox doesn't *seem* as snappy. On slower machines it takes ages to start up.
there a preloader for firefox.
and there are light weight versions of firefox about that can run on portable devices.
There's also an IE themed firefox
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Now all they need to do is add the following ability to make it perfect:
1. Allow people to apt-get packages while the CD is running. Then...
2. Import user files from Win into a Knoppix-side directory. Finally...
3. (this is the important one) Press a button and presto! The system builds an ISO of original winknoppix+packages+userfiles that is a no-fuss super-customized knoppix CD!
If they could make that... then a seamless transition to Linux goodness would finally be within reach for everyone!
The point I am going with is to shut the M$ fanboys up at the place I work. They think they are pretty spiffy with their crudely slapped together version of Bart's PE they made recently. Although handy, and practical for working on borked Windows formatted hard drives only, it's basically useless beyond that. They stood with their mouths gaping open when they saw me runnning Damn Small Linux off a mini-disc and with all it can do, this should get a good reaction as well. Running Linux while in a Windows session AND being able to have access to the many tools/apps available on Knoppix/Linux that absolutley kick Win apps all to heck will be satisfying. *I'm stuck in DeactiveDirectory Hell with a bunch of flaming fanboys, well, except for that 1 Linux savvy apps developer a couple of cubes away. I carry a disk folder full of various live cd distros to help me save the day in recovering "lost" data, sniff out malicious network traffic and other tasks the M$ fanboys can't even begin to touch with their so-called "tools". I'm grabbing the torrent and will keep it going as long as I can.
That's . . . very, very odd. I've often been able to max out my bandwidth with torrents (though not nowadays, considering that I'm at the university residence . . . faster even than my prior aDSL, true, but if I let it go, I'd break my weekly download/upload limits damn quickly!). There are many things that could be going wrong. One of the problems often encountered, which is the most likely cause since I've seen similar same symptoms on many a computer, is your router. Part of the reason I've never had to care is 'cause I've eskewed routers; I hate them, I reallly do. But if you're using one, and getting crappy speeds using BitTorrent, this may very well be it, so just read up on the solution here. Hope that works for ya.
I remember sigs. Oh, a simpler time!
Stability of Linux is only a small part of the story. But you're not right anyway. An emulator is a nice cozy environment for an OS. It should be more stable there than running natively.
The bigger advantage for users is the number of applications freely available for Linux.
What comes with a new Windows machine? Usually a lot of "lite" versions of various payware. Word processor, maybe. Eventually the system gets hosed and even those may be lost.
I don't think most users have any idea what it's like to think "I wish I had a program that did ____" and then apt-cache search'ing for it 3 or 4 programs that do it ready to be downloaded...
And Knoppix has a lot of stuff just available in the menus right off the bat. Just give the users the caveat that, yeah, this isn't going to be real fast, but it will give you an idea of what is available.
Amen. I work in the tech department of a big-box store, and spyware/virus removal is the majority of what I see. I use BartPE, but it feels like it's trying to be Knoppix. And it would be useful, because most people aren't willing/knowledgable enough to make the switch, because they don't want to lose support for their card games, and if something went wrong, finding someone who knew linux well enough to fix it would be tough.
I have used DSL (Damn Small Linux) before and been able to use it on some users machine to log in to the server quickly with my SSH keys all setup on the key. When I am done, I kill it. I love this because I can use it on any machine I have and be able to test scripts and such on my machine without risking any of the stuff on the local machine. Will it run slow? Yeah, but if you have a ton of RAM and speedy processor(preferably 1 GHz or faster) it should run just fine.
Gorkman
I just started a torrent, and I'm already over 12KB/s.
Yes, I'm sharing too.. 16KB/s up is my limit for torrents (384K DSL uplink).
My college has no dedicated linux computers, but has spent an obscene amount of money on Dells with WinXP. This makes the linux class I'm in a little more annoying than it needs to be. The best part is that there's a problem with the Dell's bios, so that every version of linux I've tried on them runs at 640x480 (no amount of screwing with xf86 settings helped). With the Knoppix on Windows, there's a chance I'll be able to run linux there at a reasonable resolution.
Also could useful if you need to access the internet in linux, but have a wireless or winmodem card not supported in linux. Or at least I hope that's the case.
That's all that matters then...
Especially given that his link title is only applicable to platforms with no native IE.
Everything will be taken away from you.
Actually, what VMWare does is to give up a block of physical ram on guest vm power on, locking it down and then doing some clever tricks with virtual memory mapping.
As long as the guest os thinks it's running in protected mode, it really is, and even when it thinks it's in non protected mode (as in kernel mode), it still is and any accesses outside what's been afforded for it via the virtual memory manager gets trapped translated and emulated via host os level drivers.
VMware emulates a BX (if I remember correctly) chipset and it appears to be running on a motherboard of the P2 era. All devices are also emulated.
It might be possible to page windows out and 'warm boot' into linux, but paging windows back in after linux is done would be problematic at best, not to mention with windows even temporarily out of the way linux could decide not to give control back to windows, in which case it would be a complicated one-way context switcher, rather than a platform emulator.
My computer has dual boot linux and windows, but it's running linux 99% of the time and for the odd windows stuff I start a VMWare session with a secondary copy of windows loaded to do my stuff. Linux still runs and is still in charge of everything, all it does is sacrifice HD space and access, some ram temporarily and cpu cycles. Even then however, there's a definite performance hit through the emulator, and though it might be good enough for the odd thing, it's not that great for any serious stuff and impossible for some things (games).
As for carrying on why specifically this winos+qemu+knoppix would be of any use, I'll just shut up now in case I might get modded down to redundant again.
Use Shareaza to handle your torrents:
Currently: 30KB/s down, 6KB/s up
My workplace won't let me download torrents. We have an anal Network Access Control Policy that not only blocks the ports that bittorrent requires (on a globally routable subnet) but we have snort configured to detect any use of bittorrent. Peer-to-peer applications (all) are banned under our IT access policy and if it's detected, we get our network port disabled.
Is there an FTP or non-P2P method of which I can grab this file?
I just tested the disk on two different systems running a fully patched XP SP2, I get an error 3 lines in to the boot up sequence and it craps out.
Off topic, but Virtual PC, back in the day when it was still a good Connectix type product ... Yes, I did have to try.
:)
Those programmers DO have a sense of humor after all!
(I wanted to see OS X run Windows to run Linux
Well now that they've released this new fangled Knopix windows hybred all OS's can support native IE.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
for America, right there...
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
While my QA dept. would be happy to have Linux off hand w/o ghosting, I still don't get the reason for doing it.
1. Resources: I gain nothing from running two rather heavy op. systems simultaneously.
2. Licensing: I still need a license for Windows.
3. Reliability: When something fails where should I seek for the reason: My software, Windows, Linux, Emulator or just the exclusive combination of all above?
What the hell is it good for?
hmm... these warez groups keep getting creative.
I find that 50%+ of my users (Helpdesk for a top-20 university) have late model Dells. So I tell them to hit F12 and pick CD from the boot menu
(Usually it's to run a disk drive diagnostic though. Those before-mentioned Dells have hard disks that tend to drop like flys)
mounting it with daemon tools or something should speed it up a bit. that's my plan.
...that Cygwin's got a replacement? One that's an actual distribution of Linux?
Tluin natha Linux xxizzuss uriu olt bwael mon'tun.
What is the point of climbing everest?
What will we have conquered? None but ourselves. --George Mallory
Of course the mountain won that particular round. Nevermind.
KFG
Ok, I return to defend my honor (what little there is). I was not attempting a troll here. I was just wondering if I could pop in the disk on my shitty win partition and get hardware accel. I have an Ati Rage Pro on a computer I got for free. Before anyone suggests buying a new card, I might as well just buy a new computer, and I don' have the cash right now. Going back to the hardware acceleration, I don't have the time to figure it out, and would like to try tux racer and a few of the others to see if its even worth the time to do the setup on FC3. Damn! And, lastly, I agree. Once Linux is setup, its stable as all hell. Done, out, quit your bitchn'.
Vol~
Well, if I want to test my website Linux browsers (Konqueror comes to mind), this would be a lot nicer than rebooting. Or having another box around. Especially if all I need to do is test a browser.
But even above and beyond that, it's nice to know that I have access to a Linux environment without having to do anything but pop in a CD.
Who doesn't like free music?
Is QEMU ported to Mach OS X ?
... are they making a subtle point here about the Darwin kernel's origin ?
Hmmm
Servlet v2.4 container in a single 161KB jar file ? Try Winstone
http://msdn.microsoft.com/academic/
im using it now great hd install takes 20 minutes and is just as good as debian sid if not better http://kanotix.com/
120 chars is not bloody enough for a real sig!!! you bastards even count spaces!!!
Mod *this* (semi-)troll down, too. ATi cards are the best supported for Linux in my experience. Their cards will work and solong as you have a 9200 or older, you can get 3D acceleration fine. Some newer cards even have experimental 3D accel support.
Luke-Jr
Rebooting is the first thing Windows users learn how to do properly!
Actually, it doesn't usually require any interaction on their parts most of the time.
After phoning TechSupp a few times they get the hang of it though =)
Do not meddle in the affairs of geeks for they are subtle and quick to anger
It's a very interesting hack, I agree, but it cannot be used as the swiss army knife technique that it's best for (IMO) without having to reboot Windows. After all, you can't snag that SAM file without the system being offline. It's a great way to try it out though... I just wouldn't depend on the stability of it around the Windows OS. Hopefully it won't crash and give the user a bad impression. And hopefully some Windows fan won't put some bad code to make it crash so that the user just sticks with Windows either. Heh.
"Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
This is a fine example of the good uses for Bit Torrent and similar technology.
As I am downloading this file i see the network speed at over 25Mbytes a second
Or you can use binary drivers from ATI and have actual hardware acceleration (I'm using a 9600SE).
Well, in the case of this particular Knoppix CD you'll be out of luck. QEMU, which this CD uses to boot the CD under Windows, is a full-system emulator, which means it's not very fast (under Linux there's a closed-source plugin that makes QEMU virtualize the hardware instead, making it substantially faster according to people who know these things; I've never tried it myself, but it doesn't exist for Windows anyway).
Anyway, a while ago I was playing with bochs and QEMU and I decided to try to boot Knoppix under them and it was annoyingly slow (think Windows on a crappy 486) just knockng around KDE on my three-year old Athlon 2100 box. Now that was an older version of Knoppix, but I don't think that QEMU's been updated since then. You certainly wouldn't be able to play tuxracer. I might be wrong about this, but I don't think Knoppix includes tuxracer (I don't know why tuxracer would be your test for whether Linux is worthy or not, but whatever). Or hardware rendering for that matter (at least on the version I have it doesn't seem to). But even if Knoppix includes hardware rendering you'd have to actually boot the disk instead of running it under QEMU to get anything resembling performance.
>....whatever ships with the mac.... Safari, which is based on the same rendering engine as Konqueror. It renders your site fine, btw
- Apple Computer......proudly going out of business for over twenty years.
It would require a correct wireless card configuration in Windows. As it stands, QEMU emulates a network card and a network gateway...
m l# SEC19
http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/qemu-doc.ht
What are you talking about? It's a well known fact that ATI drivers for Linux suck.
nVidia is the only way to go.
It's a pretty consistent 300-400K/s here. Try tweaking your router settings like the above poster suggests.
Knoppix to Windows - Now you can watch me up close, and see how stable I am. I can stay up and running for months.
Windows to Knoppix: Um, I am carrying you now. I fall, you fall. And my uptime is approaching 24 hours...
Knoppix( aside ) - And I wonder who thought this matchup was a good idea...
I can't afford a sig!
...but in the case of naive Windows users, even asking them to reboot can be a scary concept for them.
OK, people are asking why this is scary. Here's why:
You reboot, and suddenly, all this small text in bright colours is crawling across your screen (at least, that's what Knoppix did, the last time I tried it). Your Windows environment is gone. You don't know if it's coming back, or even if it's reformatting your hard drive, that's what it's supposed to look like, right?
Yeah, I know, this crap is irrational. But guess what, if the world was purely rational, Microsoft would have gone out of business ages ago...
Having Knoppix run on the Windows desktop is reassuring. It lets you know that Windows is still there and you can return there at any time, and since all your icons are still on your desktop, your files must therefore be safe. Yeah, more irrational fears, sorry, but that's how many people think.
I'm running pure XML and XSL, but I can still tell apachie to lie to IE.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
More like comes more than once every other day.
kaens.blogspot.com
'but paging windows back in after linux is done would be problematic at best, not to mention with windows even temporarily out of the way linux could decide not to give control back to windows, in which case it would be a complicated one-way context switcher, rather than a platform emulator.'
Do exactly what Windows does when it normall goes to sleep, page out all the memory into a file[memory, hdd, internet,printed in brail] and then page it back in again, reset a few odds and sods onthe CPU and your away.
I would expect that the Linux software suspend extensions can be hacked to cope with a copy of Windows just as well as they do with a copy of Linux.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
She refused to run it. She thouth "KNOPPIX" meant "no pics" as in "no graphics."
I explained what it was but she still refused to try it, because all the r4d d00dz on her course told her that Linux was an abomination, unclean, and not to be let near a Windows PC. Windows was the best OS in the world, and that dodgy Linux thing might mess up your PC.
Other attempts at Linux advocacy have also failed. I don't bother now.
Stick Men
Do they have a Bugzilla for this? I was trying to get this going under Windowsand was unable to. I alsonoticed the batch file that comes with this tries to start this with 1 GB of ram. If my machine has 1 GB of ram and I boot Windows and try to get this to run and it asks for 1 GB, I am going to have...issues. :D I have tried 2 separate machines and was unsuccessful to get this to boot in QEMU on windows. DSL works fine. Better then fine. It's worked on almost every PC I tried it on including the same laptop. I would love to give this a try but damned if I can figure out what I need to do to get it running. I'll stick to a modified DSL for my booting Linux in Windows deal. Oh....booting off of the CD did work fine.
Gorkman
Maybe I just know a lot of stupid people but if you run linux under windows, your average user won't understand that linux actually replaces windows. A lot of people just assume to see the little magic start button when they power up. Booting directly into linux helps simple folk (in regards to their technological prowess) realize that windows isn't magically built into the hardware and doesn't need to boot for the computer to run.
I did this on XP:
Downloaded and ran win version of qemu
Create an image file bigger than your iso using qemu
Point to your ISO
Run! (Knoppix took about 8 mins on old PIII laptop)
http://pcblues.com - Digits and Wood
Here's another option, designed for a USB key. It runs Firefox, Thunderbird, etc. all in a virtual linux machine. The release is planned to work on GNU/Linux, ms windows and mac os x, although the current release candidate doesn't work on the mac. It also uses qemu, of course. More info: Portable Virtual Privacy Machine.
The only way to run X is by having an X server on your Windows box,
CoLinux works like a charm using VNC: you run a VNC server on the Linux side and a VNC client on the Windows side. A side-benefit is that you can actually disconnect from the coLinux process and reconnect later.
As far as I'm concerned, coLinux is the only way to go for running Linux under Windows these days; it is superior in just about every way to any of the commercial or free solutions.
If you don't restrict yourself to that subset of cases, then QEMU wins on account of having support for far more than just a custom build of the Linux kernel.
That's irrelevant for Knoppix. Furthermore, no, I have not wanted to run Freedos or the SLES9 installer. QEMU may be useful for someone for those cases, but that doesn't make it a good choice for Knoppix.
Besides, rather than spending a lot of time now trying to get QEMU integrated with Knoppix (and giving the user the false impression that Linux is slow), it would be better if all that effort were spent on actually making coLinux better. CoLinux is pretty much ready for prime-time; all the additions now (COFS, framebuffer) are just gravy.
On a p4 system with a gig of ram, the performance is pretty lacking. It might be a better idea to use one of those drive image programs rather then the actual cd. Anyway, my thanks for those souls seeding their hearts out on that torrent.
QEMU with KNOPPIX
. html
- en.html
h tml
http://unit.aist.go.jp/itri/knoppix/qemu/index-en
coLinux with KNOPPIX
http://unit.aist.go.jp/itri/knoppix/colinux/index
Here is an installer to NTFS of Windows2000/XP.
Install2win
http://unit.aist.go.jp/itri/knoppix/win/index-en.
My granny was Admiral Grace Hopper, you insensitive clod!
"Stupidity is ALWAYS terminal."
so is intelligence.
sum.zero
Here is coLinux+KNOPPIX
- en.html
http://unit.aist.go.jp/itri/knoppix/colinux/index
hmm.. I'll have to update the build scripts,they should be running CSS and XHTML checks.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Because you can then let people try before they buy without even needing to reboot.
Or testing a cross-platform software you're developing... of course, considering an emergency situation where you can't install Linux of course.
Knoppix 3.7 couldn't detect my computer's onboard sound, so I couldn't really play around with it for most of the things that I usually do with my PC. Are there any changes or anything that could make this worth downloading and installing, either in Knoppix or in Linux (I believe 3.8 has a newer kernel than 3.7?), or is there possibly anything more I could do with Knoppix 3.7 to get it to work? I tried configuring the sound drivers, but the automatic configuration failed every time and I wasn't willing to check each individual driver to see what might hit the spot.
Ah. Now I see...
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
I will stick with Linux even if microsoft goes completely insane and releases the source code for windows under the gpl and someone releases a "FREE" version. I don't want it. I like my pc to RUN RUN RUN, none of that crashing/virus/spyware shit on my pc please, let me just get on with some work, oh and games ! thank you... mandrake fan
Fixed that one
, but now it looks like libxml (or xmlstarlet) has started playing by not closing the content-type meta tag
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
coLinux needs admin rights to use networking.
So I could only use it on private / friends computers
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It's got the momentum, why divide up resources?
GNOME vs. KDE, Linux vs. BSD, Mozilla vs. Konqueror. Among the benefits of competition is that it breeds lack of a monoculture. Would you rather have everybody use IE because you're not "dividing up resources" between Microsoft Corp. and Mozilla Foundation?
In the meanwhile you can download it from home.
Setting up broadband would cost $480 for some customers, that is, $50/month for a minimum 12-month commitment minus $10/month that the customer is already paying for NetZero or Netscape dial-up Internet access.
The trick is not so much rebooting as ensuring that they boot from CD. Not everyone can pick that idea up easily.
But almost any windows user can take a cd, insert into drive, and wait.
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing; those who count the votes decide everything." (attrib. Joseph Stalin)
lotsa peers and seeds - no problems downloading the torrent here
I know what you mean about Firefox but why don't you try Opera?
Linux is not Windows
What if I used VMware on Windows to boot up a virtual machine running Linux emulating Windows? Maybe I would finally have a secure Windows environment.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
I'm stuck with IE, because I installed (and then uninstalled) bluetooth drivers 2 weeks ago and FireFox no longer works (it starts, but there's no window visible).
That's true.
The easier way to get knoppix on their system in live mode is to stick the CD in the tray and seal it shut. Within the day the system will be booting knoppix (saying the bios has cdrom boot enabled and before harddrive).
---- The geek shall inherit the Earth.
Is it just me or is the torrent file completely slashdotted? Both on the site from the article and on linuxtracker.org it just times out. Anybody have a mirror to the .torrent?
I run a Debian/Kernel/Knoppix Mirror: (http|ftp|rsync)://debian.ams.sunysb.edu/
apt-get @ > 5MBps == teh win!
It's intolerably slow running under Windows on my system (AMD 64 3000, 1GB RAM).
Antivirus http://www.bitdefender.com/bd/site/mirrors.php
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What is this "WinOS" thing?
Seriously, people. Stop making up names for things. Windows is called Windows, not "WinOS". Linux-based systems are Linux-based systems (or "Linux systems" if you must, or "GNU/Linux-based systems" to be more politically correct), but they are not "Linux OS". Apple's current operating system is "Mac OS X"; it is not "Apple Max OS", "MaxOS", "Max Unix OS" or "Macintosh OS".
Nobody goes around referring to a Ford Explorer as the "Explore Ford" or the "Explorer Forder" or anything else like that. Why, then, do people (even geeks) consistently mess up the names of operating systems!?
With spending like this, exactly what are "conservatives" conserving?
Ads. ;-)
LOL. Downloaded Opera just now, selected the graphical ads option, and blocked advertising.com in my router. Now it just shows "not found" where the ads usually appear - except for the "Buy Opera today" ad. :-)
I realize that; since game developers develop games for windows, a windows box is the practical choice for gaming.
but a shame it won't run everything, or if it does, it requires some complex rigging of files and registry settings to make the programs run under BartPE. Even then there still is problems, like Malware removers removing the infected files, but not the registry keys that are changed by the malware.
When someone's NTFS partiation got hosed, I used to have to bring a spare hard drive with me with XP on it to run Chkdsk to fix their hard drive after booting from the spare. Now I just boot a BartPE CD-ROM and run Chkdsk from that.
NTFS is weird, got a hard drive error on the disk, and it won't let Windows load any further to run chkdsk to fix the problem. Instead it just complains that it cannot load some file or something. Boot off a floppy disk, and it cannot see the NTFS partition.
BartPE can run Embedded Mozilla, TCP/IP networking, Nero, McAfee AntiVirus, Adaware, Ghost 8.0, and other useful utilities to work on hard drives that won't boot, or need malware removed and booting the OS won't allow it to remove Malware that has become part of the system or in use and cannot be removed.
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I tried to download it, but the Bit Torrent tracker is down.
How can I update the virus signatures? Or do I have to download a new version with each virus database update?
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I have KANOTIX, I run a web server using KNOPPIX, but when I get free time I might change it over to KANOTIX. It seems KANOTIX uses a web based install script that always makes sure you got the latest version. KANO apparently wrote the scripts for KNOPPIX.
:(
When I installed KNOPPIX to my hard drive, I used the Debian install method.
Just one thing, those Novell programs like Red Carpet, refuse to run on KNOPPIX/KANOTIX because it does not see it as Debian. Therefore the whole Novell line of installable software I cannot install that is based on using Red Carpet.
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Wouldn't KnowDoze be a better name?
attributes always have a value now.
like checked="checked"
instead of checked
I would much rather see it as a bool instead, checked="1"
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