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Enterprise Finale Synopsis Released

exley writes "Trek Today is reporting that UPN has released a synopsis for the final two episodes of Enterprise, apparently confirming some of the rumors that have been circulating in recent weeks." From the article: "Enterprise will be the first Trek series since the original Star Trek not to end with a special two-hour finale. However, UPN has decided to air both 'Terra Prime' and 'These Are The Voyages...' on the same day, Friday the 13th of May, in an effort to still make a special event out of the show's end."

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  1. Final Voyage... by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Terra Prime," will be a direct continuation of "Demons," scheduled to air on the 6th of May. In this episode, the Enteprise tries to stop a human isolationist leader, played by Peter Weller, who's threatening to destroy Starfleet Command. ... "These Are The Voyages..." will be set six years after the other fourth-season episodes, and will see Archer and the rest of the crew return home for the decommissioning of the Enterprise, as well as the signing of the Federation charter.

    Then Lexus will appear on the main view screen, the science officer will analyze it to be an early 21st century craft which ran on fossil fuels and contains a crew of accountants. The captain will order phasers set to kill and fired with extreme predjudice, while engineering hails the bridge to indicate all power has suddenly failed. A crew of workmen will enter the bridge and start dismantling things and taking away props, phasers and rubber ears. (similar to the old SNL skit)

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    1. Re:Final Voyage... by Killswitch1968 · · Score: 1

      Hmm. You forgot to include the defelector dish - the swiss army knife of the 24th century.

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    2. Re:Final Voyage... by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is interesting to see Manny Cotto's (the new lead writer for this last season and a major writer for the 3rd season) hands all over this --

      Peter Weller - Lead from Manny's awesome and prematurely cancelly Odyssey5 series.

      set six years later - Odyssey5 was about astronauts that went back five years in time to prevent the destruction of the Earth, since Odyssey5 was cancelled they never had a chance to even do a "wrap-up" episode - so jumping six years later sounds exactly like the kind of "wrap-up" Odyssey5 would have had if they had known they were being cancelled.

    3. Re:Final Voyage... by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Odyssey5 awesome?? I'd like some of that crack you're smoking...

      Its pretext was nice, but it should have been a mini series - after about the 3rd episode it had run out of ideas.

    4. Re:Final Voyage... by Art+Tatum · · Score: 2, Funny
      Then Lexus will appear on the main view screen, the science officer will analyze it to be an early 21st century craft which ran on fossil fuels and contains a crew of accountants.

      Will they sing the Accountancy Shanty?

    5. Re:Final Voyage... by StalinsNotDead · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'd like some of that crack you're smoking...

      You're supposed to get the crack when you get moderator points. So metamoderate. If you metamoderate you're more likely to get moderator points.

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    6. Re:Final Voyage... by jayhawk88 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I may be mistaken, but I believe it was announced a while back that B&B were handling the finale. At any rate, they're apparently going to involve the holodeck for the finale....it's like one big last "Fuck You Fans".

    7. Re:Final Voyage... by blincoln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At any rate, they're apparently going to involve the holodeck for the finale....it's like one big last "Fuck You Fans".

      I think it's more along the lines of them trying to do a knockoff of Babylon 5's "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars" than an attempt to irritate Trek fans.

      It could actually be kind of cool. I am not a fan of Enterprise pre-season 3, but this may be a good opportunity for the writers to do some integration of the continuity with that of the other series.

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    8. Re:Final Voyage... by Captain+Nitpick · · Score: 1
      Peter Weller - Lead from Manny's awesome and prematurely cancelly Odyssey5 series.

      Weller also played the title characters in Robocop and The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai.

      "...to boldly go where no man/one has gone before."

      "Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."

      "Excuse me, I have to go. Somewhere there is a crime happening."

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    9. Re:Final Voyage... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you only watched 3 episodes.

      Coto clearly had a story-arc charted out with plenty of surprises, like killing-off the lead's wife mid-season. And there was a huge mine of originality in the concept of battling AI's, some with very human motivations and some totally alien that take their battles into the physical world through a variety of means, from simple deception of humans to the use of "golems" to directly implement their will.

      Meanwhile, unlike just about every sci-fi show in existance, the acting was good from day one, no wooden, formulaic dialog and characters with distinct, believable personalities.

      It was not free of all stereotypes, but it did a lot of things well.

    10. Re:Final Voyage... by roelbj · · Score: 1

      The final episode was written by Rick Berman and Brannon Braga, and was not written by Manny Coto. Reference:

      http://www.trektoday.com/news/180305_02.shtml

    11. Re:Final Voyage... by Clock+Nova · · Score: 1

      And let's not forget "Naked Lunch."

      "I can think of two things wrong with the name of tha movie."

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  2. Heh by aftk2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let the Friday the 13th! jokes commence...

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    1. Re:Heh by Timesprout · · Score: 3, Funny

      A Borg, A Ferenghi, and a Romulan walk into a bar...

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    2. Re:Heh by Winckle · · Score: 5, Funny

      You can stay, but the ferengi in the gorilla suit has to go!

    3. Re:Heh by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 1

      Will Nancy Reagan make a cameo appearance?

      "Watchoo talkin' about, T'Pol?"

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    4. Re:Heh by khasim · · Score: 1

      You would have thought one of them would have seen it. ba-dum-ba!

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      The Ferenghi tells the Romulan "no, you were just renting it". ba-dum-ba!

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      The borg says "It's removable. *click* See." ba-dum-ba!

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      The bartender say "We don't get many Romulans in here."

      The Romulan says "That's what you think."

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    5. Re:Heh by PedanticSpellingTrol · · Score: 1

      +1 Obscure!

    6. Re:Heh by Bigthecat · · Score: 1
      +1 Obscure!

      Not at all, this was in a scene between Data and Geordi in Star Trek: Generations.

    7. Re:Heh by mibus · · Score: 1

      > > +1 Obscure!

      > Not at all, this was in a scene between Data and Geordi in Star Trek: Generations.

      That's what the guy said! +1 Obscure! ;-)

  3. How fitting... by NightWulf · · Score: 4, Funny

    that Friday the 13th is the last day for Star Trek Enterprise. Maybe it's no such bad luck after all. Now all we need is someone to step on a crack and break Braga and Berman's backs, and the circle of life will be complete.

    1. Re:How fitting... by Tiger4 · · Score: 1

      Perfection would be if the new Star Wars was opening the same day. Killing off one flawed show while another cursed franchise opens on Friday the 13th would be ideal.

      Sadly, Lucas foresaw that and is opening on the 19th instead. All the Enterprise refugees will be out of primary shock by then and ready to absorb anything he flings at them.

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    2. Re:How fitting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and kick scott bakula in the nads on the way out too.

      He's such a crappy actor. Had a nice part in screwing it all up. Not to mention the queer theme song.

  4. Dupe alert! by ari_j · · Score: 3, Funny

    See here for the plot details that got leaked earlier!

    (For the moderators who can't be bothered to click on the link before modding me down, the link is to the story about "ripples" explaining the universe and obviating the need for dark energy. It's a joke. Laugh.)

    1. Re:Dupe alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't jokes supposed to be funny?

  5. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Atleast Enterprise will get a ending. It took Farscape forever to get a proper ending and theres countless other shows that got canceled without a chance to conclude anything.

    1. Re:Well by L0C0loco · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, but they are leaving a 6 year gap between the last two episodes so they can revive the show or spin off a new one. Its new and its called fractal TV! Same stuff self replicated on all time scales.

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    2. Re:Well by Walrus99 · · Score: 0

      Yes, like the almost literal cliff hanger that ended Andromenda, one of the best shows to come from the creative mind of Gene Roddenberry.

    3. Re:Well by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      Yeah, like Vengeance Unlimited :(

    4. Re:Well by Tiger4 · · Score: 1

      Farscape's Peacekeepr Wars deserves very high praise. Every scene looked like it would have been a whole episode of the next season. They kept it good, kept it tight, kept it moving and got off the stage with the least amount of fluffing around.

      Season 5 would have been great.

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    5. Re:Well by killermookie · · Score: 2, Funny
      ...and theres countless other shows that got canceled without a chance to conclude anything.
      I'm still waiting for the proper conclusion to Cop Rock.
    6. Re:Well by Erwos · · Score: 1

      VR.5 left off on a cliff-hanger, too... that show deserved to have a proper funeral if it couldn't live longer.

      -Erwos

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    7. Re:Well by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      Ha...I thought I was the only one that remembered that show. I was disapointed it never came back, I liked it.

  6. Enterprise is Dead !!! by Mad_Rain · · Score: 2, Funny

    Long Live Enterprise (in syndication, just like the other 'Treks.)

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    1. Re:Enterprise is Dead !!! by thesupermikey · · Score: 1

      A show has to have 100 episodes before it can go in to syndication.

      Are there that many episodes?

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    2. Re:Enterprise is Dead !!! by Suppafly · · Score: 1

      A show has to have 100 episodes before it can go in to syndication.

      Why is that?

    3. Re:Enterprise is Dead !!! by fdiskne1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      A show has to have 100 episodes before it can go in to syndication.

      I'm not sure about that. The original Trek series has been in syndication practially since it went off the air.

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    4. Re:Enterprise is Dead !!! by Deinhard · · Score: 1

      Answers.com has, not surprisingly, an answer.

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    5. Re:Enterprise is Dead !!! by GamingFox · · Score: 1

      Don't forget "There are many exceptions to the 100 episode rule -- shows of fewer episodes that have become syndication successes. The most notable of these is the original Star Trek series which had only 79 episodes available when it ended in 1969."

      Source: the answer link in the parent post.

      Maybe the Enterprise will be lucky.

    6. Re:Enterprise is Dead !!! by Suppafly · · Score: 1

      So its not a "has to have" issue at all, it's just common for shows to have 100 episodes before being syndicated.

  7. Please oh please push the reset button by nurhussein · · Score: 5, Funny

    UPN has officially confirmed that Jonathan Frakes (William T. Riker) and Marina Sirtis (Deanna Troi) will appear on the Enterprise finale, in a sequence set on the holodeck.

    So "Enterprise" was just one big holodeck fantasy novel? Hooray!

    1. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by prgrmr · · Score: 5, Funny

      So the surprise ending is Riker and Troi find Patrick Duffy in the shower?

    2. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by tdemark · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, I think we'll find out that the holodeck fantasy was programmed by Riker and Troi's autistic child who created it after spending many hours staring at his favorite toy - a sno-globe of the NX-01

    3. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by fm6 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think most Slashdotters are too young to remember the lamest plot gimmick in the history of TV. A reminder to Star Trek fans that you don't need fancy pseudo-science to resurect people!

    4. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by EddieBurkett · · Score: 1

      The the autistic kid will get hit in the head with a golf ball, and when he wakes up he'll realize he's really Bob Newhart and this was all a dream...

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    5. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by White+Roses · · Score: 4, Funny

      Only if Patrick Duffy says, "What's Family Guy?"

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    6. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by Patrick+Mannion · · Score: 1, Funny

      You making fun of autisic people? >;\

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    7. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by JWW · · Score: 2, Funny

      dream... That they had won the lottery and that yes, in fact Dan is really dead.

    8. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by GPLDAN · · Score: 1

      At this point, it's like having a Star Wars crossover. Frakes and Sirtis are as big as Hutts. They can roll in and demand they be paid back.

    9. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by kitzilla · · Score: 5, Insightful
      If time travel isn't involved, as the show maintains, the last scene will be Riker and Troi on the holodeck, instructing a group of students on the Beginning Of It All. The Federation signing ceremony concludes and holographic representations of the Enterprise crew polish their new badges and look hopefully into the future.

      The images flicker and disappear as the program ends. Riker and Troy exit the holodeck into the bustle of the Titan. Fade to black as the Titan continues its mission. Roll credits.

      Cheesy, huh? That's what's gonna happen.Betcha.

      Where are my Babylon 5 reruns?

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    10. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by JackCroww · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't forget Bob Newhart's excellent spoofing of that Dallas trick with the ending of his second Newhart series.

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    11. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by l3v1 · · Score: 1

      I think most Slashdotters are too young to remember

      Ehh, no, I really don't know how old I was, but I remember my mother watching Dallas and in my memory there seems to be a period of time which I remember as the continuously-watched-dallas era, when my Mom was "dallasing" all the time. And I also remember (hell, why this, so much more better stuff would have fit in that place) the Bobby-coming-back story :) Hell, good ol' times :)

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    12. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by fm6 · · Score: 1
      First, that wasn't obviously a spoof. "And then he woke up" is a very old plot gimmick, though never as badly abused as it was on Dallas.

      Second, Newhart's gimmick was non-lame, and therefore should not be mentioned in this context!

    13. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by Deinhard · · Score: 1

      Newhart's ending was one of the top 5 all-time endings for a television show. It ranks up there with, in no particular order:

      Barney Miller,
      MASH, and
      The Mary Tyle Moore Show

      As opposed to the lame endings of Seinfeld and Cheers.

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    14. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by StalinsNotDead · · Score: 1
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    15. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by sharkey · · Score: 1

      And Skuzzlebutt too, of course.

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    16. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      are you refering to roseanne?

    17. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by Aurin+Wildfire · · Score: 5, Funny

      I wish. It's set on the Enterprise-D (TNG season 7), not the Titan.

      I'm sure the makeup people were begging for time travel when Berman told them to make Riker and Troi look 11 years younger...

    18. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that the rest of Seinfeld was lame, who could expect much of the ending?

    19. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      The Deconstruction of Falling Stars in Babylon 5 used the playback from the future idea (one million years in the future!) to cover some of what happened after the end of B5. (The episode was meant as a series ender just in case the 5th year was never done.)

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    20. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by JWW · · Score: 1

      Yes. That finale was also lame.

      To turn back to a more Sci-fi bent to lame endings.

      We find out that Agent Cooper is now Bob...

    21. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Would that be Ensign Patrick Duffy....

      "And now I will render Kathleen.... ONE MORE TIME!"

    22. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by TheDukePatio · · Score: 0

      Actually it's Riker waking up in bed next to Troi saying something to the affect that he had the strangest dream. He goes to the holodeck, loads program RikerCabinBeta. As Riker walks into a Vermont cabin he sees George, Larry, Darryl, and Darryl dressed in TOS Trek outfits preparing to go trick-or-treating at Shatner's house.

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    23. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 1

      Thats really sad. To think they have to stunt cast to get people to watch the finale. Trek has really hit a new low.

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    24. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " Thats really sad. To think they have to stunt cast to get people to watch the finale. Trek has really hit a new low."

      You mean like they did in the very first episode of TNG?

      Look it up. ENT is no better or worse than any other 'trek series, it just has to contend with more critics than any other has (ie: the internet)

    25. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bzzzt, the episode was schedule for part of season 5, with the final episode of season 5 slotting in as the final epsiode for season 4 if season 5 didn't get made. with season 5 being made, they of course shifted that to the end of 5, and shifted that season 5 episode to be the last one in season 4.

    26. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by zrk · · Score: 3, Informative

      What's the fifth one?

      The best parody of the Dallas one was from Family Guy, at the end of the Y2K episode, where Victoria Principal (the real her, not an animated one) wakes up, finds Patrick Duffy (not sure if he was animated or not ;) in the shower, complains about this horrible dream recanting what happened to Stewie the FG episode, to which Patrick Duffy replies, "Who's Stewie?"

    27. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by TXGB324 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not quite. Sleeping in Light was always ment to be the series finale. It was filmed at the end of the 4th season, just in case the show wasn't brought back. Once JMS got word of the 5th season, Deconstruction was written to take it's place as the last episode of season 4, and SiL was tucked away for a year.

    28. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by sTalking_Goat · · Score: 1
      You mean like they did in the very first episode of TNG?

      Well thats to be expected. The first epsiode of a new trek series 20+ years after the original. You'd have to stunt cast to bring in the old fans

      But for a finale? If you don't have yet you aren't ever going to...

      I don't know how you can blame this on the net. Voyager put up with much the same scrutiny and held its own.

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    29. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by TechnoPops · · Score: 1

      Geek Trivia Correction: He actually asks, "What's Family Guy?" and then both of them turn and look at the camera.

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    30. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by ebooher · · Score: 1

      It was in a snow globe ..... A SNOW GLOBE!!!

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    31. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by Snaller · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Bob Newhart's excellent spoofing of that Dallas trick with the ending of his second Newhart series.

      Which was what? (For those of us who haven't seen it)

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    32. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by JackCroww · · Score: 1

      Here is what imdb has to say about the first series: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068049/.

      And here's the second series: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083455/

      The joke is that the final scene of the series closer for the second series is where Bob wakes up in the bedrooom from his first series with his co-star/wife from the first series (Susan Pleshette) and says, "Honey, I've just had the strangest dream." or words to that effect.

      Here is a good write-up about Newhart in general: http://www.80sxchange.com/bios/bob_newhart.html

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    33. Re:Please oh please push the reset button by Snaller · · Score: 1

      Hehe - thanks for writing that up :)

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  8. MAKE IT END by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I had respect for enterprise at one point. But then they started bringing in time travel nonsense and I just lost it all. And now what's their finale? OH GREAT, GIMMICKY TIME TRAVEL... on a holodeck?? Never mind, now I just want this show to die quietly and go away.

    1. Re:MAKE IT END by TyfStar · · Score: 1

      Actually, it says specifically in one of the articles: "I will say that it does NOT involve time travel"

      But I thought Enterprise died long, long ago.. around the time Deep Space Nine came out..? Maybe I should have kept the trekkie in me?

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    2. Re:MAKE IT END by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The two main reasons star trek's stories sucked:

      1. Time travel
      2. The holodeck

      Take those two elements out, and star trek rocks

      It's ironically fitting that the finale encorporates both. It's a testament to why star trek died....

  9. The $64k question by TheGuano · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does Captain Archer finally find his way back into his own time/body?

    1. Re:The $64k question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's $64,000 question, I'd say the $1,000,000 question is: Does anyone care? Signs point to fuck no!

    2. Re:The $64k question by rob_squared · · Score: 1

      More importantly, does Captian Archer finally learn now to fight?

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  10. Yow! by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Funny
    that Friday the 13th is the last day for Star Trek Enterprise. Maybe it's no such bad luck after all. Now all we need is someone to step on a crack and break Braga and Berman's backs, and the circle of life will be complete.

    Friday the 13th will come on a Friday that month! I'll have to watch the TV from underneath my bed.

    So, what is most unluck about that day? Having to see the end of the series? Actually the idea of seeing the show wrapped up with a show set several years later is rather interesting, giving some opportunity for hindsight. It would be nice if more shows ended their run like that, but usually the axe just falls and the show fails to appear in its time-slot.

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    1. Re:Yow! by JackAtCepstral · · Score: 1

      "Friday the 13th will come on a Friday that month!"

      I'd have to check, but I can't reacall any Friday the 13ths that came on anything other than a Friday. [Neudge!]

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    2. Re:Yow! by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Informative
      I'd have to check, but I can't reacall any Friday the 13ths that came on anything other than a Friday.

      It's actually a reference to Church La Femme's famous fear of the Friday the 13th's.

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    3. Re:Yow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just love friday the 13s that fall on days like wednesday, or perhaps thursday...

    4. Re:Yow! by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      Friday the 13th is supposedly when the Knights Templar were rounded up and arrested, in order to be tortured to death for daring to rival the church in stature and power.

    5. Re:Yow! by ackthpt · · Score: 1
      Friday the 13th is supposedly when the Knights Templar were rounded up and arrested, in order to be tortured to death for daring to rival the church in stature and power.

      Here's what the Wiki has to say about Friday 13th

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    6. Re:Yow! by dourk · · Score: 1

      Friday the 13th will come on a Friday that month!

      (Score:-1, Redundant)

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    7. Re:Yow! by pizzaman100 · · Score: 1
      Friday the 13th is supposedly when the Knights Templar were rounded up and arrested, in order to be tortured to death for daring to rival the church in stature and power.

      The knights were executed by Philip IV, king of France. Not the Catholic church.

  11. The signing of the Federation charter... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is reportedly one cracking good scene with a massive fight and a heroic rescue by Archer of one of the commemorative pens used to sign the charter. This promises to end Enterprise in the way we've come to expect. I know I'll be on the edge of my seat.

    1. Re:The signing of the Federation charter... by BlindSpot · · Score: 1

      There is reportedly one cracking good scene with a massive fight and a heroic rescue by Archer of one of the commemorative pens used to sign the charter.

      Swap "of" and "by" in the above sentence and that might be worth watching...

  12. What a bunch of geeks.... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 4, Funny
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    1. Re:What a bunch of geeks.... by game+kid · · Score: 2, Funny

      So the Star Wars guys watch Star Trek? What's next, Luke Skywalker being Captain Kirk's father? Captain Kirk yelling "KHAAAAAN!" instead of "NOOOOO!" after finding out? ...forgive me, I'm no Star Trek or Wars expert, but you have officially *tries unsuccessfully to head off South Park reference* warped my fragile little mind.

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    2. Re:What a bunch of geeks.... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      sorry but there has been worse links to pictures on slashdot that have warped my fragile little mind. Ohh god I just thought about it agian. AHHHHHH!!!!!!

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  13. On a related note... by rokzy · · Score: 1

    why did Enterprise disappear for the month of March?

    I'll be sorry to see Enterprise go. It was getting alright. Yes, Battlestar Galactica is better but I've seen them all now and the next series won't be here anytime soon.

    OT: it pisses me off that the Battlestar Galactica 'mini series' and 'series 1' need to be bought separetly on DVD - 45 quid for 15 episodes is a bit steep. Any word on whether the DVD versions keep the ridiculous 15 minute introduction sequences?

    1. Re:On a related note... by SmokeHalo · · Score: 3, Funny

      why did Enterprise disappear for the month of March?

      Wormholes? Maybe they had some untelevised adventures. The characters do have a life outside the show, you know.

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    2. Re:On a related note... by computerme · · Score: 1

      a) as to march : The show sucked. UPN knew it and pulled it in favor of hoping another show would get better ratings during sweeps. (obvious huh...)

      b) BG new season starts this summer.

      c) there are no 15 minute intro seqs. stop saying there is.

    3. Re:On a related note... by David+Horn · · Score: 1

      For some pointless reason Americans like a month long break in the middle of their TV series.

      Confuses the hell out of me, but then us Brits get frightened if something changes. :-)

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    4. Re:On a related note... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then Americans seem to have a much longer season. Maybe it's just the shows that have made it from the BBC to US domestic television but the BBC seasons seem really short. Something like 8 episodes per season vs. 20-26 for the US.

    5. Re:On a related note... by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      "Yes, Battlestar Galactica is better but I've seen them all now and the next series won't be here anytime soon."

      Ok then heres something to keep you occupied;

      Watch BSG over again only this time try shaking your head in such a way that the picture appears stable.

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  14. Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    in an effort to still make a special event out of the show's end."

    The fact that the this bastardization of Trek is ending should make it a special event in an of itself. ;)

  15. Save Enterprise by listerine+reborn · · Score: 3, Funny

    Enterprise will be the first Trek series since the original Star Trek not to end with a special two-hour finale. Its not the two-hour finale because Enterprise isnt done. http://www.trekunited.com/

    1. Re:Save Enterprise by Alioth · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, you're living in denial if you think Enterprise is coming back; it isn't - it's cancelled for good, sorry.

      This campaign won't make a jot of difference.

    2. Re:Save Enterprise by STrinity · · Score: 5, Funny

      Its not the two-hour finale because Enterprise isnt done.

      It's dead, Jim. Time to move on and get a life.

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    3. Re:Save Enterprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time to move out of the 1980s and get a new catch phrase.

  16. I'm not a trek nut.. by NightWulf · · Score: 4, Interesting
    "Terra Prime," will be a direct continuation of "Demons," scheduled to air on the 6th of May. In this episode, the Enteprise tries to stop a human isolationist leader, played by Peter Weller, who's threatening to destroy Starfleet Command. ... "These Are The Voyages..." will be set six years after the other fourth-season episodes, and will see Archer and the rest of the crew return home for the decommissioning of the Enterprise, as well as the signing of the Federation charter."

    Isn't this what the fans complain about? That B&B completly disregard trek history. If I remember correctly, wasn't the federation formed in reponse to the end of the war between us and the romulans? Further didn't that happen like 50+ years after Enterprise? Correct me if i'm wrong...

    1. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I'm not a trek nut.. wasn't the federation formed in reponse to the end of the war between us and the romulans?"

      Denial is often a key indicator of a serious problem.

    2. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The founding of the Federation did occur after the end of the war with the Romulans, and it did occur 6 years after season 4 of Enterprise, which corresponds to the year 2161.

      This year is established by a TNG scene in which they are playing poker and Troi announces that the next round will be "Federation Day" in which 2's, 6's, and aces are wild. (Episode #117, The Outcast)

    3. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by Nexzus · · Score: 4, Informative


      The Federation Charter was signed in 2161, according to an Episode of TNG (the one where Riker falls in love with a person from an adrongenous race, I believe). Enterprise started in 2152, and is ending if 2156, so we'll be missing Romulan War.
      I was always hoping that if the show ran for seven years, the last two seasons would deal with the four years of the Romulan war, and the last (few) episode(s) of the seventh season showing the formation of the Federation.
      It will still be good to see the formation of the Federation, though. The Romulan War is rumoured to be the basis of one of the plots considered for Trek 11, however, so not all is lost.

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    4. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by Auxon · · Score: 1

      Mod up! :D

    5. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      They'll probably do the total St. Elsewhere ending and explain away the entire show as the fantasy of a retarded Klingon.

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    6. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by Xibby · · Score: 1

      Politics are funny things...maybe the charter singed at the end of Enterprise was rewritten and resigned later, this time with more races, better support, etc. as a result of the war.

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    7. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by fm6 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Let's not take "official" trek history too seriously. TOS has the Eugenics Wars starting in 1993. TNG and First Contact has civilization more or less collapsing in the near future.

      One thing I can't abide about Trekkies is their compulsive need to tie up all loose ends and resolve all inconsistencies, no matter how trivial or uninteresting. The purpose of background is to help tell a story, not the other way around.

    8. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      As long as the movie has a completely original cast, that would be a cool plotline for it.

      Maybe a cameo by Enterprise, but PLEASE not the main focus.

    9. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by hawk · · Score: 1

      >TOS has the Eugenics Wars starting in 1993.

      Boy, and people complain about the current administration's policies???? :)

      oh, and s/TOS/TRO/

      hawk

    10. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 1

      The Romulan War took place roughly 100 years before the TOS episode "Balance of Terror", which I think was set in 2266 (although the time-period of TOS wasn't actually stated onscreen until the movies and spin-offs started.) That would put it in Enterprise's general timeframe.

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    11. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by Tiger4 · · Score: 1

      The Eugenics Wars DID start in 1993. And we know the East Asian alliance will be landing in North America by 2017 at the latest. The amazing thing the intel folks at WestCentCon can't figure out is how Roddenberry got it all so close from back in the 60s? But enough of this, lets just adjust your VR probe and put you back where you belong... [link mod US-World-Dom-05] [run] ...

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    12. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by fm6 · · Score: 1
      The Eugenics Wars DID start in 1993.
      Pushed out of the headlines by Monicagate?
    13. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by plague3106 · · Score: 1

      TNG and First Contact has civilization more or less collapsing in the near future.

      So, you don't think thats what happening now? :)

    14. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      Well, i have a bigger problem with the fact that THE top-of-the-line spacecraft of humanity will be scrapped after a mere decade... sure it might not be cutting edge anymore, but theres place for more than one ship in a starfleet...

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    15. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by JoshRosenbaum · · Score: 2, Informative

      They can leave Hoshi, T'Pol, and the weapons/armor dude.(Reed?) I'm not too fond of the rest of the acting, though. The worst is the captains. In all fairness, maybe it's just the story that's bad and the actors are screwed and doing the best they can.

    16. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow! Do you think Berman will really make a cameo?

    17. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Starfleet maybe, TV no.

    18. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by TempeTerra · · Score: 1
      One thing I can't abide about Trekkies is their compulsive need to tie up all loose ends and resolve all inconsistencies, no matter how trivial or uninteresting. The purpose of background is to help tell a story, not the other way around.
      Have you never seen an episode? With those kinds of stories, inconsitencies and loose ends are all we have left! (cries)
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    19. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by fermion · · Score: 1
      The romulan plot device. You have to love it.

      In TOS, the romulans were introduced as a contrast to the Vulcans. I believed it served to make the Vulcans seem more dangerous, as it was only a thin sliver or self control that made the safe. At any minute, Spock could crack and all hell could break loose. Otherwise he would have looked like some pacifist wuss(remember this was in the middle of the cold war where pacifists were considered people who would let the communist scourge destroy american. Oh wait, we are back there. Substitute the concrete Soviet with the abstract 'terrrorist').

      In any case, to make the plot device work, A war with the romulans was created, one which the freedom loving federation barely survived, and in which the romulans were never seen. This made the romulans, unlike klingons, faceless, murderous, being with no redeeming culture or civilization.

      Enterpise has had some success showing how this faceless war might have been mounted. However, those episodes did not stand on thier own. I suspect that a Romulan thread, in which the romulans directed the action from protected bunkers, would be as excited as ST:TMP.

      One problem with this season is that they are just filling in back story. However much of the back story is the result of interesting plot devices or makeup chages, not intersting stories.

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    20. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good story should have both setting and theme. Ignoring the setting (especially one that a number of geeks seem to enjoy) only makes for a confusing or otherwise unentertaining story.

    21. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by optimus2861 · · Score: 1

      For the ultimate example of this "tying up inconsistencies" trait, look no further than this season's episode titled Divergence. They actually gave an in-story explanation for the make-up change from TOS Klingons to TNG and later Klingons (something to do with genetic manipulation, I think). By contrast, when DS9 had to deal with it, they just joked about it.

    22. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by pan0k · · Score: 1

      AGAIN WITH THE ROMULAN!!!!

    23. Re:I'm not a trek nut.. by Cappy+Red · · Score: 1

      I can't understand why the balance of your mods point to "funny" and not "insightful." If I had gotten here earlier, that's certainly what I would have modded your comment. :)

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  17. Is this it? by John+Seminal · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Is this the season finale or series finale?

    I must admit, I never watched the show, but I feel sad if it is leaving the air. Enterprise had so much potential, and I was very excited when it first came on the air. But it sucked, and sucked quick. I thought the guy from Quantum Leap would make a great actor for Captin of the Enterprise, but there was no chemistry with the cast. The shows had no excitement. And there was no science.

    I hope the next star trek is a good one, set a few years in the future of TNG, so we can still have cameo's. Maybe enough in the future so we get some Voyager cast members.

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    1. Re:Is this it? by silentbozo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Braga is saying it's series finale. Furthermore, he states that "nobody is surprised by this." Of course, this explains why he and Brannon bailed this season, and turned the reins over to Manny Coto, who has actually written stories that fit in the canon of the Star Trek universe, without having to rely on time travel for bloody well everything.

      I hope the Trek fans manage to salvage Enterprise - they should give Coto at least another season, and some decent advertising dollars, to demonstrate whether or not he and the rest of the remaining Enterprise team can put on a better show than B&B.

    2. Re:Is this it? by silentbozo · · Score: 1

      Doh, that should have said Berman (as in Rick Berman), instead of Brannon (as in Brannon Braga.)

    3. Re:Is this it? by fm6 · · Score: 1

      It isn't what Braga says. It's what the network says. Which is basically, "We paid you millions of dollars for this???!!!"

    4. Re:Is this it? by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 1
      I hope the next star trek is a good one, set a few years in the future of TNG, so we can still have cameo's. Maybe enough in the future so we get some Voyager cast members.

      The next Star Trek (if there ever is one again) will be 5-10 years down the road at least, so the cameos will be limited. Probably something similar to Scotty appearing on TNG as a tired old engineer caught in some time loop.

    5. Re:Is this it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of Course B+B bailed when things got bad. They did the EXACT same thing with Voyager, and it died a horrible death.

      Good Riddance, I say.

      BTW, I'm really not a coward, just too lazy to create an account.

    6. Re:Is this it? by John+Seminal · · Score: 1
      The next Star Trek (if there ever is one again) will be 5-10 years down the road at least, so the cameos will be limited. Probably something similar to Scotty appearing on TNG as a tired old engineer caught in some time loop.

      Wasn't this already done? LOL.

      What I meant was a Star Trek where maybe Picard is a professor back at the academy, and an episode where someone goes to him for advice. Like the episode from "All Good Things" with Data. I dunno, I just like to see continuity. It is like Star Trek: "The Undiscovered Country" when you see Checkov in command of the excelcier. I dunno why, but that was an emotional experiance for me. The whole idea of Captin Kirk calling in a favor from another officer, and knowing their history together, it worked. It means more than if another starship appeared out of nowhere to save Kirk and the boys.

      Plus, when they have a new Star Trek, I hope they get a HUGE budget for some good special effects.

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    7. Re:Is this it? by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      Checkov in command of a Wessel? Ven did that happen Mr Continuity?

    8. Re:Is this it? by JWW · · Score: 1

      I actually believe that Coto was set up by Berman, because he knew Enterprise was toast. Now, hes got fans wanting their "better" Enterprise back.

      Here is where I will make a prediction. IF Enterprise is brought back, Coto will be canned by Berman, because he obviously will have been the reason it got cancelled. Having thouroughly duped the Star Trek fans into protesting for their show back he will close the deal by making absolutely sure that EVERY episode includes time travel and no continuity error is left unexplored.

    9. Re:Is this it? by NorbMan · · Score: 1

      I must admit, I never watched the show
      But it sucked, and sucked quick
      no chemistry with the cast. The shows had no excitement. And there was no science.
      but I feel sad if it is leaving the air

      Quite an authoritative review from someone who's never seen the show...

    10. Re:Is this it? by LoadStar · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I hope the Trek fans manage to salvage Enterprise - they should give Coto at least another season, and some decent advertising dollars, to demonstrate whether or not he and the rest of the remaining Enterprise team can put on a better show than B&B.

      The problem being, no matter how good the series is and could be under Manny Coto, it is tainted by what came before.

      Let me put it this way - say you're building a house, and you end up with a lousy contractor that slacks off, does all sorts of code violations, and lets the foundation get water and termite damage. You fire the guy, of course, and bring in the best contractor in the world, with one condition - everything that was done before has to stay in place, because you don't want to start all over again with another new house. The guy builds the friggin Taj Mahal for you, but it's built on the crappy foundation the first guy laid.

      The same goes with Enterprise. Manny's doing a pretty good job, but he's working with damaged goods. Oh, he can go back and brace up some of the sagging parts and he can build a fantastic new house, but it's still built on a foundation that was damaged by neglect by B&B. The other problem is - it's not really even his show. Oh, he's running it, but he's just the caretaker, it's still B&B's house.

      This is why I don't get the fan campaign to save Enterprise. LET IT DIE. Let Paramount feel the sting of two Trek failures in a row under Berman's rule. After a while, even the dumbest of studios has to recognize a time for change, and maybe then we'll have a Trek series we'll enjoy. Then people like Straczynski (or however you spell it) and Coto and such can come in at that point and do fantastic work with that series.

    11. Re:Is this it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I dunno why, but that was an emotional experiance for me.
      Ummmm....

      Hmmmmm....

      Wow....

    12. Re:Is this it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope the next star trek is a good one, set a few years in the future of TNG, so we can still have cameo's. Maybe enough in the future so we get some Voyager cast members.

      No.
      Stop.

      Stop insisting that we have ANOTHER Star Trek. Give it some time.

      Allow writers to figure out what went wrong.
      But for God's sake stop! We don't need another Star Trek. We all need to stop.

      And also all these SF shows . . .From Gene Roddenberry. This almost feels like the staleness before the first Star Wars movie came out.

      Someone needs to come up with something completely new. Not based on something else like every other post modern work. Wait, I know. There's only so many actual stories that can be told, but c'mon there has to be something else out there. Isn't there?

    13. Re:Is this it? by Deinhard · · Score: 1

      We need something set in the relatively near future within the Solar System without "New Types" or fast orbital transfers. In short, something like Outland without the hokie plot.

      In fact, something set in the universe established by Allen Steele in his novels (Orbital Decay or Lunar Descent) would be great.

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    14. Re:Is this it? by Data · · Score: 1

      "I must admit, I never watched the show"

      If you never watched the show, then on what are you basing your opinion?

    15. Re:Is this it? by SoCalEd · · Score: 1

      "The guy (Coto parallel) builds the friggin Taj Mahal for you, but it's built on the crappy foundation the first guy laid."



      This may be more insightful than you thought as the Taj Mahal is a mausoleum.

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    16. Re:Is this it? by John+Seminal · · Score: 1
      We need something set in the relatively near future within the Solar System without "New Types" or fast orbital transfers.

      That would be cool. Just getting to Pluto, to see if it is really a planet. Maybe designing the first base on another planet, maybe on a moon of saturn. That would all be fascinating. Add in plans to try and make it to alfa-centauri, and back. The Enterprise show could have been the best. But the early shows failed to catch viewer interest, and did nothing to make a good foundation for character empathy. And there was no science. What I remember from the series was dumb action plots. The dumb action plots should come later, once we know the characters and there is good science fiction.

      I can only imagine the good drama, the good science fiction, the endless oppertunity for a show to showcase its smarts.

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  18. Wait... that explains it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly near the end of TNG Berman must have broken a mirror, dooming him to seven years of bad franchises

  19. A Dream, a la Dallas by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1
    From TFA: UPN has officially confirmed that Jonathan Frakes (William T. Riker) and Marina Sirtis (Deanna Troi) will appear on the Enterprise finale, in a sequence set on the holodeck.

    Well, now we know why there's no continuity between Enterprise and the Original Series- it was all a holodeck fantasy. Closure at last.

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    1. Re:A Dream, a la Dallas by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      I'm confused now - does this mean Worf shot J.R.?

    2. Re:A Dream, a la Dallas by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      A holodeck SEX fantasy, no less, with Riker as T'Pol and Troi as Trip.

    3. Re:A Dream, a la Dallas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, I thought the same

    4. Re:A Dream, a la Dallas by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 1

      No, but he did chop his head off with a betleH;-)

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  20. This just in! by LinuxGeek · · Score: 4, Funny

    In other news, my girlfriend has decided to dump me and announced she is going to date my best friend all on the same day to make it a special occasion! Oh the joy.

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    1. Re:This just in! by Quasar1999 · · Score: 1

      don't you mean 'ex-best friend'??? I mean, I know women should never come between good friends... but the same flippin' day? You sure you wanna keep someone that would backstab you like that?

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    2. Re:This just in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know women should never come between good friends

      Yeah, unless you're into that kind of thing.

    3. Re:This just in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think when a woman comes between two friends, the friend pokes the WOMAN in the back. Right?

    4. Re:This just in! by Danimoth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't worry, its all happening on the holodeck.

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    5. Re:This just in! by fm6 · · Score: 1

      If you wanted to con millions of people into watching a lame TV show about your breakup, then it would be a "very special breakup"!

    6. Re:This just in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh, what a fabulous double entendre, you are truly the heir of Oscar Wilde.

      SHUT THE FUCK UP.

  21. Finale spoiler... by racecarj · · Score: 5, Funny

    Archer and the enterprise get thrown back in time in a desperate attempt to prevent the series from ever being created.

    1. Re:Finale spoiler... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A holodeck ending is lamer than my verison, involving time travel, where the Enterprise sacrifices itself and it's existence in the timeline to save the federation and end the temporal cold war.

      Also, if Bill Cower would have started Tommy Maddox in the second half of the AFC championship game, the Steelers would have gone to the Superbowl.

      It's been a tough year in da 'burg.

  22. This is still on the air? by SeventyBang · · Score: 0

    I gave up on this a long time ago when the plot lines were about as firm as a wet piece of toilet paper. I can only imagine how much they'll charge for DVDs and how soon it'll be on in syndication.

    At least it was better than DS9. That was enough to make even hardcore fans swear off Star Trek altogether.

    1. Re:This is still on the air? by Narchie+Troll · · Score: 3, Funny

      "At least it was better than DS9. That was enough to make even hardcore fans swear off Star Trek altogether. "

      I know. I hate decent acting, character development, and interesting plot arcs too.

    2. Re:This is still on the air? by dgatwood · · Score: 1
      The acting was fine, the character development fine, the plot arcs, fine. But why does every story with plot arcs have to end up being a dreary nightmare? I mean, DS9, B5... two shows set in a station, constantly under seige by someone (wait, in the Trek universe, I thought we were supposed to be evolving beyond the need for constant wars and conflicts), with an overall gloomy look and feel, gloomy story lines, etc.

      Just once, I would like to see a science fiction series with significant continuity, multi-episode parallel plot arcs, good actors, strong character development, -and- something positive to say about the future. Is that so much to ask?

      *sigh*

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    3. Re:This is still on the air? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bitch Ill shank you

    4. Re:This is still on the air? by Kesha · · Score: 2, Informative

      Blasphemy!

      I moved to the US (from Russia) about 10 years ago with my parents and my sister. Even my 45 year old mother enjoys DS9. And so does my younger sister. DS9 had by far the most interesting story line of all the Star Trek TV series. Great actors too.

      Paul.

    5. Re:This is still on the air? by SengirV · · Score: 1

      Let me get this straight. You are complaining about DS9 AND B5 as NOT having "multi-episode parallel plot arcs"? Sorry, but that is what B5 was. DS9 has several plot arcs that lasted many episodes.

      DS9 and B5 were about outposts on the fringe of known space/territory where help isn't coming anytime soon - You're on your own. Their "missions" weren't to go out and seek new life, blah blah blah. Their mission was to stay alive. That is a lot more interesting to me than crappy arse holodeck, and time travel garbage that were forced on us time after time after time after ...

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    6. Re:This is still on the air? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there were positive things about the future in both shows. There was an advancement in technology, racial issues seemed to be resolved, humanity is reaching to the stars. as for the negative aspects of both shows, well read Shakespeare. there has been , and will always be greed, war, disease, etc. time and technology will not change that. and I am fairly certain that if we ever encounter an alien race, they will share many of the same positive and negative traits that we have here.

    7. Re:This is still on the air? by superstick58 · · Score: 1

      You missed it. It was called Star Treck The Next Generation.

    8. Re:This is still on the air? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. It's right up there with ST and TNG.

      I could count the ways Enterprise sucked.
      Let me start with;
      1: The theme song! That Fuckin' theme song!
      2: Scott Bacula - I liked him in Quantum Jump.
      3: They ignore Star Fleet/Federation history so much it hurts.
      4: A Vulcan with bodacious Ta-tas. That's even dumber than a Borg with bodacious Ta-tas. Do Vulcans even breed for this? They might but the logic escapes me.

      Now don't get me wrong. I had to watch a few episodes before I warmed up to TNG. But TNG had me ready to enjoy DS9 and Voyager (and of course, Pickard)

      Yes, I have/had some issues with voyager as well but I still liked it.

    9. Re:This is still on the air? by clickster · · Score: 1

      SO what you're saying is that, in Soviet Russia...ah, forget it.

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    10. Re:This is still on the air? by dgatwood · · Score: 1
      No, I was complaining about them being gloomy. They very much had arcs.

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    11. Re:This is still on the air? by dgatwood · · Score: 1
      I must have missed the story arcs. And no, "Wesley nearly blows up the ship again" doesn't count as an arc. :-D

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  23. Discount by Debiant · · Score: 1

    That's great. Not only do they stop to fourth season they also wrap two episodes and sell them as one. Two at price of one, really shows what's it's all about. Not following the previous debate concerning the end of series, why it was ended at fourth season? By Andromeda http://www.andromedatv.com/about/behind_billhamm01 .html they claimed that normal span of was five-sex years with the networks. Do we also get four seasons instead of five?

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    1. Re:Discount by winkydink · · Score: 1
      ...they claimed that normal span of was five-sex years with the networks


      not enough sex perhaps?

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    2. Re:Discount by dgatwood · · Score: 1
      Standard contract historically, IIRC, was an initial half season, option for the remainder of the season if it doesn't tank, then maybe option for a second year if the first season was weak, then at the end of that, a multi-year option for the remainder of a five-year span. In this case, I suspect the Enterprise numbers were sufficiently weak that they continued to contract it on a year-to-year basis.

      The sad thing is that in this era of reality TV, these sorts of year-to-year contracts are becoming the norm. Why continue to pay to produce a show if it isn't raking in the fans?

      Now don't get me wrong here.... If I were network brass, I probably would have canned Enterprise.... Years ago. Until season 3, it was an abomination, and even then, there were enough 'easy outs' to make me slightly ill... but at least beginning in S3, they had gotten beyond making half the episodes blatant rewrites of TNG and Voyager (*shivers*) episodes.

      In season 4, things were actually starting to be decent, but by that time, most of the loyal Trek fans had long since stopped watching. I figure it would take two more seasons just to get word out that it no longer sucks, build up an audience, and start seeing decent ratings again. Far better to kill it now, sell the third and fourth seasons into syndication/DVD, cut your losses, and try again in a few years with the same writing team as in S4 of Enterprise, coming back with a big splash (knowing that the first ep will get good ratings even if it sucks), and not screwing it up this time.

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    3. Re:Discount by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      Pray tell what is a 'sex year', and where can I get one?

  24. so let me get this straight... by Fry-kun · · Score: 1

    What will happen to all that money??? Think I can have some? :D

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    1. Re:so let me get this straight... by StonedRat · · Score: 1

      Maybe they could donate it to NASA to keep the Voyagers running for an extra year.

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    2. Re:so let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If TrekUnited/SaveEnterprise fails, the 3 million will still be in the hands of the original donors. (It's an official pledge at the moment. You know. With lawyers and papers and such.) The rest of the money will be returned to the donors minus 5%. The 5% will go to paying for transfer and bank fees. If there is anything left of the 5% after that, it will be donated to charity in the name of TrekUnited.
      However, it's not over until Paramount says something like: No. No way. Not now. Not tomorrow. Not in six months. Not next year.
      For now, TrekUnited is in talks with Paramount.

      So the short(er) answer is: unless you're employed by Paramount, a bank, Paypal, a postal service or are one of the donors, you won't get any of that money in any direct way.

  25. Feature Films To Follow? by MudButt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems to me that Enterprise would make a great transition onto the silver screen whereas DS9 and Voyager have failed to do so. I think that by not wrapping up the series nicely, they leave a large window of opportunity for this type of move. The last two series ended nicely. Too nicely, in fact, to continue on (IMHO). I'm rather glad to see that they aren't going to write a "happily ever after" ending for the series.

    1. Re:Feature Films To Follow? by Debiant · · Score: 1

      Somehow I can't see them at silver screen.

      Much as I liked Enterprise, the whole point the serie is that they're underdogs and so it's whole Earth. It's all about unraveling the past and bumping problems from places A to B.

      All right so was the original Trek too in some respect, diffrence being that Enterprise was sold and made to look like they were bit more human and less grandious with a purpose in mind.

      They don't have Spock like person, Date or Weshley Crusher who can last minute solve galactic problems. Nor do they excel in anything except not having known lot of things which makes them more open to new solutions. A drastic diffrence to TOS and NG.

      I can see why I'd look the movie, but I'd find it hard to explain why Enterprise would make a movie that could be marketed to non-Trekkers.
      Movies need somethig bigger than life and whole point of Enterprise they're just learning how to get there.

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    2. Re:Feature Films To Follow? by B3ryllium · · Score: 1

      Movies need somethig bigger than life and whole point of Enterprise they're just learning how to get there.

      Right. Because "Sideways" was bigger than life. Broad generalizations are never entirely applicable. A series of low/mid-budget trek movies that were simply situated in the universe, but not focused on the Military, would be rather interesting IMO.

      Like, maybe they could have a movie (even a tv movie) based on the Moriarty holocharacter? Maybe after the events in Voyager, he could be released from his cyberjourney to become a Preacher for the equality of Holograms (one who also happens to be running a massive galaxy-wide crime network, perhaps). :)

    3. Re:Feature Films To Follow? by michrech · · Score: 1

      Funny, I don't recall having seen any advertisements (or movies, for that matter) that had the Deep Space 9 or Voyager cast in them (and no, Worf doesn't count (or was it Warf, or something totally different? I dunno)).

      I think it'd be neat to see what they can come up with, movie-wise, for those two casts.

      As far as an "Enterprise" based Star Trek movie, I think one that deals with the Romulan/Human war would be quite interesting (so long as there is no time travel involved). Maybe even some expansion on those remotely-piloted drones the Romulans were working on thrown in for good measure. :) It certianly would help fill in the multi-year gap that is going to happen in the TV series and make it feel less empty.

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    4. Re:Feature Films To Follow? by eheldreth · · Score: 1

      As I recall "Admiral Janeway" made a cameo in the last movie.

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    5. Re:Feature Films To Follow? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.
      Stop.

      Stop insisting that we have ANOTHER Star Trek. Give it some time.

      Allow writers to figure out what went wrong.
      But for God's sake stop! We don't need another Star Trek. We all need to stop.

      And also all these SF shows . . .From Gene Roddenberry. This almost feels like the staleness before the first Star Wars movie came out.

      Someone needs to come up with something completely new. Not based on something else like every other post modern work. Wait, I know. There's only so many actual stories that can be told, but c'mon there has to be something else out there. Isn't there?

    6. Re:Feature Films To Follow? by cruachan · · Score: 1

      If only someone would make Iain M Banks book "Use of Weapons" into a movie. Apparently it was optioned a few years back, but so far hasn't made it into pre-production.

      Have to agree about giving it some time for Sta Trek. Would probably work - aka the new Dr.Who about to premier.

    7. Re:Feature Films To Follow? by michrech · · Score: 1

      A cameo does not a movie make.

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  26. The $64k answer by boarder8925 · · Score: 1

    Buy the extended cut of the final season on DVD (US$79.99) to find out! =P

  27. Perhaps not... by StressGuy · · Score: 1

    It could just cut to Riker and Troy watching the formal inaguration of the Federation via holodeck.

    That would be my assumption anyways.

    Another interesting thing is that by having a four year time gap between the last two episodes, you open up the possiblity for someone to "fill in the blank". Like Cartoon Network's mini Star Wars saga.

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  28. the end by Councilor+Hart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lett's hope that at the end, Riker says; Damn, that holodeck story creator should learn how to write
    To which Troy says:
    Yes, and take a history class or two. Because this is as far off, as I ever saw.
    Yes, I am a trekkie, but enterprise? Not all trek is good trek.
    Best episode? The one where captain Sisko makes his log entry and ends up deleting it. The moral ambiguity is lovely.

    1. Re:The end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OR he says: "I see Trek people."

    2. Re:The end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      St Enterprise.

      Heh. Werks for me...

      But what kinda bubble is he lookin in?

  29. Circle of life? by Raul654 · · Score: 1

    This circle of life you speak of - does it, by chance, involve a Zarg?

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  30. Who really cares? by alta · · Score: 1, Troll

    Who else will be watching Stargate and SG-Atlantis with me??!! Oh wait, those finalee's are tonight.. Well, I'd still rather watch SG reruns ;)

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    1. Re:Who really cares? by Mercano · · Score: 1

      At least Galactica goes on for one more week.

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    2. Re:Who really cares? by ObiWanKenblowme · · Score: 1

      I know, because SG1 doesn't ever resort to the kinds of things /.ers hate about Enterprise...no weak plots having to do with time travel there, right?

      "Moebius", Episode #819.
      When SG-1 disrupts the space-time continuum, civilian Carter and Daniel must set things right.

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    3. Re:Who really cares? by Embedded2004 · · Score: 1

      SG1 only 1 or 2 time travel episodes before that episode. No clue, about how many enterprise had, because I only watched the first episodes, before I gave up on it, but I imagine it had more. Anyways, SG1 was pretty disappointing in season 8, about half as good as previous seasons.

    4. Re:Who really cares? by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      Uh, is there something wrong with liking both shows?

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    5. Re:Who really cares? by michrech · · Score: 1

      The thing everyone needs to take into consideration with all this 'time travel' nonsense in Enterprise is that there weren't individual "episodes" that dealt with time travel. There were simply a few story arcs. Yes, those took multiple episodes to play out -- which I believe was the best way to do it instead of running into the problem and solving it all in one episode. It's just not the same thing, in my opinion.

      Does that mean I think the time travel stuff was something that should have been in Enterprise in the first place? No. I liked a few of the pieces of the time travel stuff, but I think it was used too much.

      Oh well...

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  31. Slow start could have been strong finish, too by bsandersen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It has been a long time since we've seen a Star Trek TV series
    launch. Maybe we've forgotten how awkward it can be that first year or so.

    ST:TNG was painful to watch those first few seasons. Riker had starch in his jock, Troi was whiny had spoke too much for how little she had to say, and it was always "Federation Knows Best."

    It wasn't until the series found its footing later that it became interesting. Warp drive wrecks space (we don't know everything after all), Borgs eat our lunch (we aren't so tough after all), and more.

    Sadly, Enterprise was never given a chance to find its path. I'm a fan, though I was also critical of weak, pointless plot lines. But I liked the cast and thought the genesis of the universe we've come to know so well had potential.

    I will miss it.

    -- Scott

    1. Re:Slow start could have been strong finish, too by John+Seminal · · Score: 1
      It has been a long time since we've seen a Star Trek TV series launch. Maybe we've forgotten how awkward it can be that first year or so.

      ST:TNG was painful to watch those first few seasons. Riker had starch in his jock, Troi was whiny had spoke too much for how little she had to say, and it was always "Federation Knows Best."

      It wasn't until the series found its footing later that it became interesting. Warp drive wrecks space (we don't know everything after all), Borgs eat our lunch (we aren't so tough after all), and more.

      Sadly, Enterprise was never given a chance to find its path. I'm a fan, though I was also critical of weak, pointless plot lines. But I liked the cast and thought the genesis of the universe we've come to know so well had potential.

      I will miss it.

      I agree, the best episodes where the ones where it was not easily predictable what would happen. I liked the episodes with the Borg because of the danger. You knew you could not just lock phasers on them and "win", you were the underdog and had to figure out a way to survive. I liked the engineering episodes the best too, where a problem had to be fixed, and it was not 100% given how it would turn out. For example, the best Voyager episode IMO was Year in Hell. They lose at the end and all die. What made it so damn good was the fight, the struggle. But even a good episode is not good enough if people don't care about the characters. I don't know why I became attached to Kirk or Bones or Picard or Janeway or Scottie or LaForge, but not to anyone on Enterprise.

      I think TNG could have been the best series in the Star Trek family, if it was more about engineering and space exploration and danger, and less about Troi or the holodeck. You can get fantasy anywhere, but it is hard to get good science fiction.

      Enterprise would have had a GREAT premise for a show. The very begenning. The space exploration could have been something as good as "Lost in Space" and the danger as good as "BattleStar Gallactica". All wraped up in good science fiction, with an emphisis on science. But instead, we had weak characters and stories that were not interesting. I can't recall one episode that was strong on science, but then I bailed early in the first season.

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    2. Re:Slow start could have been strong finish, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I would argue that it had three-plus seasons to "find it's path".

      Keep in mind that B+B have been writing Trek for at least 14 years. They should have this formula (Ship + Crew = High Adventure) nailed by now.

      That's not to say it's easy, or that they should rely on being formulaic (which they have), but they should have had some sense as to how to ramp up a series such as this quickly, without having to wait many seasons to find it's path.

    3. Re:Slow start could have been strong finish, too by CmdrJameson · · Score: 1

      I hear this argument all the time ('Star Trek always takes a while to get good') and I've never understood it.

      Why should Star Trek be held to a different standard than any other TV show? Most non-Trek shows aren't accorded the same luxury, they have to hit the ground running or they'll be cancelled. Plenty of shows manage to do this. Firefly was excellent from day one. The new Battlestar Galactica: not one weak episode in the bunch. Even the slow starters like B5 and Farscape had hit their stride by the end of the first season and established themselves as unique, distinctive shows.

      Enterprise finally delivered in its *fourth* season. Unfortunately, it was too late -- nobody was watching any more. But if it hadn't had the Star Trek name, it wouldn't even have lasted one year. You can't realistically argue that it should have been given even more of a chance than it already had.

    4. Re:Slow start could have been strong finish, too by RatBastard · · Score: 1

      Next Gen was the first Trek series in decades and would have died a painful, humiliating death had it not had "Star Trek" in the title. The first two years were utter crap.

      DS9 hit the ground running and was good from Day One.

      Voyager was an embarrassment that should never have been made. After two series they should have known what they were doing.

      There is no excuse for Enterprise. None. They've had three series under their belts to figure out how to do this stuff. They should have had good stories from the get-go. And they shouldn't have needed three years to figure out (which they still haven't) that they have their heads up their asses.

      Look at the Law And Order franchise. L&O:CI came out of the gate with excellent episodes from the first one because they had their years of experience with L&O to draw upon. SVU is also a great series (I don't like it becuase the stories creep me out, but that's not because they are badly done) and was so from the first episode.

      Why should we expect less from a Star Trek show? Does having "Star Trek" in the title excuse them from their failings? Does it make it okay that the stories often come across as written by children with Down's Syndrome ("I can see my house from here!")?

      No, I'm not a Trekkie. I can't tolerate putting up with crap just because it has "Star Trek" in it's name. I do like good Star Trek, the original series, seasons 3+ of Next Gen, DS9, the even numbered movies until they started those Next Gen disasters, but that's it.

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    5. Re:Slow start could have been strong finish, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ST:TNG was painful to watch those first few seasons.

      This is very interesting to me, because I never saw ST:TNG and am only now watching them. I've seen a few episodes here and there, of course, but I only watch TV while I'm traveling on business.

      About three weeks ago, though, I downloaded a torrent of Season 1 and started watching. I was amazed at how crappy the show was, but I still found it entertaining in a nostalgic way, because it reminded me of TOS.

      I've finished season 1 and am about halfway through season 2 now. The show got *vastly* better from the first season to the second. Special effects, writing, acting, it's a much better show all around. It looks like the budget got a big boost for the second year.

      Season 3 is just about done downloading and your comments really make me look forward to it and the rest of the series.

    6. Re:Slow start could have been strong finish, too by BobSutan · · Score: 1
      I don't know why I became attached to Kirk or Bones or Picard or Janeway or Scottie or LaForge, but not to anyone on Enterprise
      I feel the same way, for one exception: Trip and T'Pol. There was a really good interaction built up between them that I wanted to see more of. I mean come one, they had a sexual relationship, and for ST that's a pretty big deal considering how muted it has become.
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    7. Re:Slow start could have been strong finish, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      Yes, Year in Hell is a classic. I always did like Voyager though, so I am definetely a minority. I liked the fact that no matter what happened on Voyager, the over-arching plot line through every episode was the trip home. It was great in that every episode you didn't know what they would run into on this greater mission. TNG alwasy seemed like the United Nations of Star Trek, all diplomacy, prime directives and "trade agreements". This might not be bad on DS9 where the characters are very fully developed and it is essentially a Soap in space, but on TNG, the acting was stiff and overall it made for a boring show.

      I also liked that many of the character had distinct flaws, and really I didn't mind Janeway at all.

    8. Re:Slow start could have been strong finish, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I don't know why I became attached to Kirk or Bones or Picard or Janeway or Scottie or LaForge, but not to anyone on Enterprise."

      and then...

      "but then I bailed early in the first season."

      so... you cant figure out why you never could get attached to the characters in a show you never watched.

      Like every 'trek show it got much better after the 1st 2 seasons, what a shame you'll never know how much better.

    9. Re:Slow start could have been strong finish, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Firefly was excellent from day one. The new Battlestar Galactica: not one weak episode in the bunch. Even the slow starters like B5 and Farscape had hit their stride by the end of the first season and established themselves as unique, distinctive shows."

      Firefly failed to grab my attention every time ive ever happened to come across it, to this day i cant understand why it has such a strong following. I *forced* myself to sit through the whole BSG miniseries thinking the whole time that it would become interesting & unpredictable sooner or later, it never did. Babylon 5 is a horrible waste of film (i was going to say film & talent, but it shows none of the latter)

      I cant speak for farscape, as ive only ever seen one episode, it reminds me more of a Dahli painting come to life than a sci-fi series.

      Enterprise was killed by high expectations

  32. I'm glad this show is off the air .... by Luscious868 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There hasn't been a good Star Trek movie or TV show in years. Quit beating a dead horse. It's over, move on. Hollywood has run this one into the ground. It reminds me of the Holloween movie franchise.

    1. Re:I'm glad this show is off the air .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure you're not thinking of the Friday the 13th movie franchise?

    2. Re:I'm glad this show is off the air .... by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

      "There hasn't been a good Star Trek movie or TV show in years. Quit beating a dead horse. It's over, move on. Hollywood has run this one into the ground. It reminds me of the Holloween movie franchise."

      You didn't like it and somebody with a mod point agreed with you. Whoop-de-fuck.

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    3. Re:I'm glad this show is off the air .... by Luscious868 · · Score: 1
      You didn't like it and somebody with a mod point agreed with you. Whoop-de-fuck.

      Oh please! I'm the only one who doesn't like it? You might want to think about what it is your saying before opening your mouth in the future and coming off like a total idiot. Apparently I'm not the only one who didn't like it or the network would have picked it up for additional seasons. Networks aren't prone to canceling wildly successful and highly rated shows after only a few seasons. They do tend to cancel (or not pick up again) those shows that nobody is watching.

    4. Re:I'm glad this show is off the air .... by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Oh please! I'm the only one who doesn't like it?"

      The difference is that if you don't like it, you can change the channel. But because it's going off the air, the people who do like it can't get it. Don't complain about me 'coming off like a total idiot' when you basically said you're glad it's off the air. As if your TV is stuck on UPN. It wasn't doing you any harm.

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    5. Re:I'm glad this show is off the air .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee. +3 Informative, or +3 SupportiveOfPopularOpinion?

    6. Re:I'm glad this show is off the air .... by Luscious868 · · Score: 1
      The difference is that if you don't like it, you can change the channel. But because it's going off the air, the people who do like it can't get it. Don't complain about me 'coming off like a total idiot' when you basically said you're glad it's off the air. As if your TV is stuck on UPN. It wasn't doing you any harm.

      Networks exist to make money. If no one is watching, they dont' make money. It wasn't doing me any harm, but it was obviously harming UPN. If they could make money with it, they wouldn't be taking it off the air. Perhaps now they'll take the money they were wasting on Enterprise and use it do develop something that more than a small percentage of TV viewers will actually watch.

    7. Re:I'm glad this show is off the air .... by Luscious868 · · Score: 1
      Gee. +3 Informative, or +3 SupportiveOfPopularOpinion?

      The two aren't always mutually exclusive, especially not in this case.

    8. Re:I'm glad this show is off the air .... by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "Networks exist to make money. If no one is watching, they dont' make money. It wasn't doing me any harm, but it was obviously harming UPN."

      So.. you're saying you didn't post that because you don't like Enterprise, but rather because you're worried for UPN? Bullshit.

      "Perhaps now they'll take the money they were wasting on Enterprise and use it do develop something that more than a small percentage of TV viewers will actually watch."

      On UPN? Right. Enterprise wasn't standing in the way of them doing that. They've tried a number of times to bring scifi to UPN, ultimately they end up being bad bad bad. (Jake 2.0 anyone?)

      Sorry, I just don't buy this. You didn't like the show. You complained you didn't like it. Somebody else who didn't like it either modded you up in agreement. Frankly, I don't have much problem with you posting your opinion, I'm more offended that some dipshit blew a mod-point on it.

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    9. Re:I'm glad this show is off the air .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were not modded up because you informed anybody of anything. Opinions != informative.

    10. Re:I'm glad this show is off the air .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't like it and somebody with a mod point agreed with you. Whoop-de-fuck.

      Hahaha! I knew you would chime in sooner or later!
      For the last time, it blew and was trashing the franchise. The nielsen ratings are terrible. Oh... "Worst. Trek. Evar."

    11. Re:I'm glad this show is off the air .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, do you realize how stupid your post is? I'll give you a hint: Imagine Richard Simmons approaching Michael Jackson and calling him effeminate.

      Dumb ass.

    12. Re:I'm glad this show is off the air .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a complete idiot, you know that? You're a waste of carbon. I can back this up, too:

      So.. you're saying you didn't post that because you don't like Enterprise, but rather because you're worried for UPN? Bullshit.

      He didn't say that anywhere. He was refuting your mindless bullshit. Seriously, get a fucking brain. Better yet, get out more. There are enough morons on slashdot without you here, so please leave.

      Sorry, I just don't buy this. You didn't like the show. You complained you didn't like it. Somebody else who didn't like it either modded you up in agreement. Frankly, I don't have much problem with you posting your opinion, I'm more offended that some dipshit blew a mod-point on it.

      Of course you don't buy it. It goes against the troll you were making. He complained he didn't like it, and backed up the statement that the show was generally reviled by pointing out the obvious: the show was cancelled because it lacked ratings. Then, in a mind-numbing show of stupidity, you conclude that because the original poster didn't like it, and someone else didn't like it, then there's something wrong with his conclusion that it was a crap show, even though it was canned because of poor ratings and was generally reviled.

      Get some hard evidence to the contrary, before you start disputing his claim. So far, his claims seem to be supported by the evidence, and the general disapproval of the show.

      You, however, seem like a whining little bitch. Please, do like the Bloodhound Gang suggest:
      lift your head up high and blow your brains out.

      I know some of us would appreciate it.

    13. Re:I'm glad this show is off the air .... by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      Oh please, like we don't know who you are. Ass.

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  33. Let the Ob Trek-bashing begin... by eviloverlordx · · Score: 0

    sigh...

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  34. Quick! To action! by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone summon congress to hold an emergency session to create a special law that will allow us to reinsert Trek's feeding tube, despite the wishes of it's legal caretaker.

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  35. Dear by computerme · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Enterprise producers,

    This is karmic payback for the DUMBEST OPENING THEME SONG IN THE HISTORY OF TV.

    regards,

    me

    1. Re:Dear by PepeGSay · · Score: 1

      It is a bad theme song... Star Trek is not folksy. Dangit.

    2. Re:Dear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the opening song was one of the best parts of the show.

      Take that as you will.

    3. Re:Dear by John+Seminal · · Score: 0, Troll
      Dear Enterprise producers,

      This is karmic payback for the DUMBEST OPENING THEME SONG IN THE HISTORY OF TV.

      regards,

      I agree, it was hard to get in the mood for Star Trek after the opening song. The music makes one think they are about to watch homosexuals in space.

      It makes me think of this:

      http://graphics.stanford.edu/~pkeyani/links/aliens /spock_naked.jpg

      or, this:

      http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:mrQWaxAGFxEJ :www.tekwh0re.net/wp/wp-content/Anki-Spock-shirtle ss.jpg

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    4. Re:Dear by computerme · · Score: 1

      oh god. I looked at those images and all i can say is.... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

    5. Re:Dear by standsolid · · Score: 1

      I can say in all honestly that I have zero intrest in clikcing either of those links.

      ::shudder::

      That either makes me straight or not a nerd...

      Why the hell am I reading Slashdot still?

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    6. Re:Dear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > That either makes me straight or not a nerd...
      > Why the hell am I reading Slashdot still?
      Because only gay nerds read slashdot

    7. Re:Dear by Ben+Jackson · · Score: 2, Funny

      I really wanted to mod this up, because I hate the theme song. Since your comment is already at +5, please drop me a line when the dupe of this story is posted so I can mod it up there.

    8. Re:Dear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes... that was the joke, asshat.

  36. like a mother in-law.. by Turn-X+Alphonse · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "See ya, come back soon"

    When we really mean

    "Fuck off, don't come back, we've had enough of you for one life time"

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    1. Re:like a mother in-law.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that case, Turn-X Alphonse...see ya, come back soon!

  37. Something Awful Said It Best by Effugas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Make Trek History.

    (It's part of this series of Photoshop Phridays, and is a parody of a rather badly designed advertisement against poverty. Open question: Can there be a well designed advertisement against poverty?)

    Side note, huge Trek fan, finally got into Enterprise this season.

    1. Re:Something Awful Said It Best by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      And yes, folks, as of 5:54pm PST the domain "fuckyoutrekkies.com" was still available, according to GoDaddy! I'll leave it to somebody who's a bigger dork than me to snap it up and do something with it; I stopped caring about Star Trek a long time ago.

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  38. Thru a timewarp they crash into DS9 by infonography · · Score: 0, Troll

    And both go boom. Good riddence!!

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    1. Re:Thru a timewarp they crash into DS9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kirk kicked Sisco's ass!

  39. Ah yes ... by zonix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now all we need is someone to step on a crack and break Braga and Berman's backs, and the circle of life will be complete.

    Aye! Then after a good long break (several years) let's give Gene Roddenberry's real - as in worthy - successor, Michael Piller, a shot at the Star Trek franchise. At least Piller understood what Roddenberry was trying to do!

    Perhaps with guidance from Majel Barrett, I'm sure they could turn things around for Star Trek. Something true to Gene's vision, that is.

    z
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    1. Re:Ah yes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yeah, maybe the new Trek crew will travel to the future to pick up homesick whales.

      Maybe they'll travel back in time to 2005 so they can land, get out, and beat some dead horses.

      Maybe they'll travel back to the early 1960s so that the captain can jump a shark with a motorcycle.

      Maybe they can have Scott Bakula go on a late night skit show and tell a select group of people to "get a life."

    2. Re:Ah yes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny stuff. Where are my mod points?

    3. Re:Ah yes ... by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 2, Informative
      At least Piller understood what Roddenberry was trying to do!

      Roddenberry pitched the Original Series as "Wagon Train to the Stars" which is why it had forst and foremost lots of action punctuated by an occasional fistfight or shootout. If someone would return to that formula instead of the "telenovela" style soap opera format of recent series then it would reurn to high ratings.

      Both Roddenberry and George Lucas understood this. Roddenberry based Star Trek on old Westerns, while Lucas based Star Wars on old WWII movies. For an interesting exercise think about how you would rewrite "High Noon" as a Star Trek episode.

    4. Re:Ah yes ... by westlake · · Score: 1
      Then after a good long break (several years) let's give Gene Roddenberry's real - as in worthy - successor, Michael Piller, a shot at the Star Trek franchise. At least Piller understood what Roddenberry was trying to do!

      I would welcome a new, shamelessly retro, space opera that was as adventurous, optimistic, playful and fun as Star Trek in its prime, but I think after forty years we have seen the limits of Roddenberry's vision.

    5. Re:Ah yes ... by Anon+E.+Muss · · Score: 1

      For an interesting exercise think about how you would rewrite "High Noon" as a Star Trek episode.

      Already been done (sort of). See Outland.

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    6. Re:Ah yes ... by ari_j · · Score: 1

      Off-topic note: Your signature line is the lamest thing that has made me laugh out loud (to the level of nasal aspiration of milk) in a while. Thanks. :)

    7. Re:Ah yes ... by zonix · · Score: 1

      Roddenberry pitched the Original Series as "Wagon Train to the Stars" which is why it had forst and foremost lots of action punctuated by an occasional fistfight or shootout. If someone would return to that formula instead of the "telenovela" style soap opera format of recent series then it would reurn to high ratings.

      Actually, I wasn't thinking about the context as much as the values and what Star Trek (TOS & TNG) can teach us about ourselves and humanity. I've always appreciated Roddenberry's perspective on complex social/political/ethical issues as still being very much relevant even up to this date.

      Seeing some of the interviews with Michael Piller, it's evident that he understands the meaning of Roddenberry's use of theme based shows.

      z
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    8. Re:Ah yes ... by blackpaw · · Score: 1

      Check out Firefly - that pretty much sums it up

    9. Re:Ah yes ... by ionpro · · Score: 1

      Battlestar Galactica. About as shameless retro as you can get -- they use wind up phones!

    10. Re:Ah yes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But IIRC the most popular (in a mainstream sense) Star Trek series was TNG, which mostly followed the "soap opera" style (albeit with shorter arcs), so your argument doesn't really hold.

    11. Re:Ah yes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err, in addition to retro, the parent post said things like "optimistic", "playful", "fun"...

      Anyone associating those terms with (the new) Battlestar Galactica is probably extremely dangerous.

    12. Re:Ah yes ... by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 1

      But the most popular movie was "Wrath of Khan" which did follow the action/adventure style.

  40. Heh, girlfriend, right... by simetra · · Score: 4, Funny
    LinuxGeek, Slashdot id 6139, sure, you have a girlfriend. Yeah. Right.

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    1. Re:Heh, girlfriend, right... by RatBastard · · Score: 1

      Hey! My Slashdot user ID is 949 and I have a WIFE!

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    2. Re:Heh, girlfriend, right... by TommydCat · · Score: 1
      Hey! My Slashdot user ID is 949 and I have a WIFE!

      For a moment there I parsed that as "LIFE". Being married as well, I know that cannot possibly be the case...

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    3. Re:Heh, girlfriend, right... by dswensen · · Score: 1

      Huh huh, YEAH RIGHT!!!

      *dubs self The King of Comedy*

    4. Re:Heh, girlfriend, right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being married to Taco doesnt count

    5. Re:Heh, girlfriend, right... by Cappy+Red · · Score: 1

      Well, with that uid she doesn't have to worry about you getting a girlfriend, does she?

      (at sub one thousand, perhaps hookers at a discount, but not a girlfriend)

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  41. Cameo by Chevy Chase? by infonography · · Score: 1

    Loved his impression of Spock.

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  42. If I ever knew when it was on ... by Auxon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... I would have watched it all the time. Being so busy, the problem I have with new television shows is that by the time I figure out the regular schedule (and by chance actually have free time during airing), they are playing repeats again.

    I'd much rather download the shows, and I can download 5 of the Enterprise episodes at a time and watch them all one Saturday afternoon. I know I am not getting counted as a viewer. So that sucks. I'd pay for it if it was in a DVD set, or subscribe to it online....

    1. Re:If I ever knew when it was on ... by fishbowl · · Score: 1


      "... I would have watched it all the time. Being so busy, the problem I have with new television shows is that by the time I figure out the regular schedule (and by chance actually have free time during airing), they are playing repeats again."

      You've never seen what Tivo could do for you?

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    2. Re:If I ever knew when it was on ... by Debiant · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Same here.

      Somehow I think the distribution system or earning logic should change. Not sure how many people actually watch Enterprise world wide, but I'm pretty sure they exist in great numbers thanks to Internet.

      It's bit funny that nowdays there are tv-series that span the globe without even advertising them, but companies don't know how or don't want to make money out it.

      Just count was it costs to advertise world wide movies, all the effort etc. and compare how easily popular tv series find regular followers without a such efforst.

      Risks are low, audience finds it's hits it's own, distribution is not the problem either, so why
      people don't make money out of it?

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    3. Re:If I ever knew when it was on ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      me too

    4. Re:If I ever knew when it was on ... by Auxon · · Score: 1
      Actually yes, and it sounds great, but we can't get Tivo here (Ottawa, Canada). There are other PVR solutions available here, but I am not fond of either the price or the services currently offered.

      I also have a video capture card ... but the computer bearing it is in an inconvienent location, and in use by my girlfriend (I'm not allowed to touch it anymore ... ahem).

      I plan on setting up MythTV "sometime real soon now", using the XBox which I use now to stream DLs directly to the TV from my desktop workstation. In the meantime, I'd guess that DLs make up 75% of my "intentional viewing", as opposed to mindless channel surfing.

      YMMV!

    5. Re:If I ever knew when it was on ... by Auxon · · Score: 1
      I totally agree, but wish I knew how they would have a sustainable business. I had no idea that Battlestar Galactica, which first aired in Great Britain, wasn't airing in the USA or Canada until I was looking for episode 6 or 7! I was shocked to find that out - I thought I had missed the first few episodes.

      Then I saw BSG producers in the BSG forums asking people to stop downloading and watching the show, because they wanted as many viewers as possible for the US premiere. I have no idea how many people downloaded the series in advance - the ENTIRE series - before it aired in North America.

      Well, they still had a fantastic US premiere, from what I can tell - in fact I believe that downloaders could have done nothing but helped get word out that it was actually good.
      Now the Dr.Who premiere is out and the BBC is ticked off ... but I hardly think that downloaders will ruin the premiere.

      However, it's still unclear how many people will/can pay for this stuff in non-traditional ways. It must be hard for executives of media companies to decide to allow people like me to download stuff for free when traditional models are the only thing they know that works.

      There has to be hard proof that the numbers are there to carry a show by subscription, etc... In other words, there must be a first ground-breaking, full-blown money making hit, made and continued to be made using a non-advertising supported internet viewership. Or something.

  43. Rule of Slashdot humor #587 by bonch · · Score: 5, Funny

    Rule of Slashdot humor #587:
    Any immediate explanation of the humor behind a joke cancels out whatever humor the joke initially had.

    Also:

    Rule of Slashdot humor #741:
    Randomly mention Microsoft Bob or Clippy for automatic +5 Funny!

    1. Re:Rule of Slashdot humor #587 by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 5, Funny

      I see you are trying to be funny.

      Would you like to see some punch line templates?

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    2. Re:Rule of Slashdot humor #587 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rule #1: Don't talk about Slashdot

    3. Re:Rule of Slashdot humor #587 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not from the Rules of Slashdot Humor, that's from the Rules For Slashdotters Dating.

    4. Re:Rule of Slashdot humor #587 by exley · · Score: 1

      You know, there are some comments that we really need a special +6 rating for.

    5. Re:Rule of Slashdot humor #587 by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:Rule of Slashdot humor #587 by ari_j · · Score: 1

      That's why I got the Informative mod. :P

    7. Re:Rule of Slashdot humor #587 by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      So... What happens when I say this:

      Microsoft bob is like Clippy with a hair cut!!!11

      (because, clippy has no hair, get it?)

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    8. Re:Rule of Slashdot humor #587 by RobertKozak · · Score: 1

      Actually Microsoft Bob and Clippy are now in treatment programs for substance abuse. Its sad how life all goes to hell after leaving behind the security of Microsoft.

      Last I heard Microsoft Bob was on suicide watch.

      Its a shame really. -- Robert

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  44. Re:hello by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only a loser can't spell loser.

  45. Re:First comment! :D by pablo_max · · Score: 0

    I would agree for the most part. Though i really started to enjoy the show towards the end...that may be because i was always wait to see Tpol and Trip have sex again....now that i think about, thats really the only reason i watched. I thought that Archer was played SOOOOOOOO bad. I dont know what happed to scott B. I didt realize he was such a crappy actor. It was just the same with voyager. The whole time i was hoping that Janeway would be killed off. Saidly, just like with this show, its never transpired. I really hate that lamer archer. Man, its like watching Dubbya (GB) as capt. So retarded. why.....do.....i...have.....to.....talk.....sooooo oo...s...l...o....w....?
    \

  46. Dominic Keating says the finale sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I saw a brief interview with Dominic Keating on tv where they asked him about the finale, and he said it was just terrible.

    Here's a hint, when the actors on the show says it sucks, it's a good time to pack it in.

    1. Re:Dominic Keating says the finale sucks by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Jolene Blalock said it was "appalling".

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    2. Re:Dominic Keating says the finale sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as the finale is "T'Pol"ing it should be ok.

  47. And yet... by AlltheCoolNamesGone · · Score: 1, Insightful

    We still get watch such wounderfull shows like Fear Factor....

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  48. Re:First comment! :D by imothepixie · · Score: 1

    Yep didn't get off to a good start with the dreadful AOR theme music that even David Hasselwotsit would be ashamed to sing in even Germany...... I frequently turned of during the opening credits knowing that apart from the vulcans breasts that might be the high point!

  49. Uniform? by Deinhard · · Score: 1

    Was it my imagination (or a tequila-induced hallucination), but did I see Archer wearing a TOS-style uniform in the quick "upcoming on Enterprise" montage that is currently running?

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    1. Re:Uniform? by BiteMyShinyMetalAss · · Score: 1

      No, they are wearing the TOS-style uniforms. It's from one of the upcoming two-parters (In A Mirror Darkly, IIRC).

      The synopsis is like this: In the Mirror Universe, The Enterprise crew comes across the USS Defiant (from TOS) that has somehow been pulled through time and space and universes from the TOS timeline into the ENT Mirror timeline via a Tholian Web.

      Good news: They built a nice replica of the TOS Enterprise bridge for the episodes. Plus, new Tholian stuff. Great for TOS fans.

      Bad news: Just when we got rid of all of the time-travel stuff, in comes this story...

    2. Re:Uniform? by be-fan · · Score: 1

      The Enterprise crew comes across the USS Defiant (from TOS) that has somehow been pulled through time and space and universes from the TOS timeline into the ENT Mirror timeline via a Tholian Web.

      In one sentence you summed up why Enterprise and Voyager sucked so much nut.

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  50. I Disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    An opening theme song should set the stage for what the audience can expect from the show. After watching the show, I'd say the song is a perfect match.

    Likewise, the later revison to the opening also fits well with the past few seasons: too little, too late.

    1. Re:I Disagree by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      What? The theme music sucked even worse after they jazzed it up.

    2. Re:I Disagree by Lars+T. · · Score: 1
      Likewise, the later revison to the opening also fits well with the past few seasons: too little, too late.

      Why, those episodes weren't like Seventh Heaven at all.

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  51. UPN is BLOWING a HUGE opportunity... by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Trek TV series has a HUGE following. They are blowing a HUGE opportunity, here.

    What if they had a blog for the show, slashdot style? Complete with potential plots for shows that people could comment on and moderate?

    Can you imagine the positive feedback loop that could be created here? Rather than spend insane amounts of money keeping track of the history of the Star Trek universe, they could do a dual-benefit of off-loading much of the fact-checking to the community, and also provide a sense of ownership by the community!

    How many good plots could be written by people, and you know people would cook them up for FREE....

    I dunno. But it seems to me an amazing opportunity, and they're pissing off their community by not listening.

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    1. Re:UPN is BLOWING a HUGE opportunity... by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 1
      How many good plots could be written by people, and you know people would cook them up for FREE....

      ... thus creating gigantic legal problems...

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    2. Re:UPN is BLOWING a HUGE opportunity... by qcubed · · Score: 1

      I think they already pissed off their community enough with Enterprise, don't you?

    3. Re:UPN is BLOWING a HUGE opportunity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.
      Please stop.
      Stop.

      We need to stop feeding Star Trek.
      It's time to move on.
      Create your own stories. Not someone else's.
      Make the new stories.
      Be the new SF that inspires other.

      Our Music. Our TV. Our Movies. Our Games.
      We need to stop feeding off other peoples' crap.
      It nice and comfortable to see something you are familiar with and like. We have been doing this since the late 70's in respect to SF.

      We're still working on concepts devised in the 50's and 60's. How about taking a look at some new SF.

      If these good people are good then they can write something new. And if the networks don't like it or want to make it then the new fans can create it, post it on Bit Torrent, and we can forget about their network.

    4. Re:UPN is BLOWING a HUGE opportunity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.
      Please stop.
      Stop.

      We need to stop feeding Star Trek.
      It's time to move on.
      Create your own stories. Not someone else's.
      Make the new stories.
      Be the new SF that inspires others.

      Our Music. Our TV. Our Movies. Our Games.
      We need to stop feeding off other peoples' crap.
      It's nice and comfortable to see something you are familiar with and like. We have been doing this since the late 70's in respect to SF.

      We're still working on concepts devised in the 50's and 60's. How about taking a look at some new SF.

      If these good people are good then they can write something new. And if the networks don't like it or want to make it then the new fans can create it, post it on Bit Torrent, and we can forget about their networks.

    5. Re:UPN is BLOWING a HUGE opportunity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All content you create beyond this point is property of UPN, click here to enter.

    6. Re:UPN is BLOWING a HUGE opportunity... by evilviper · · Score: 0
      What if they had a blog for the show, slashdot style? Complete with potential plots for shows that people could comment on and moderate?

      No way in hell. The LAST thing I want is plot-line decided by the lowest-common-denominator.

      Besides, forget "slashdot style" and look at /. a little bit... Often, the most idiotic, factually incorrect crap gets moderated up higher than everything else here... How would such a system be a good thing to depend on?
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    7. Re:UPN is BLOWING a HUGE opportunity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What if they had a blog for the show, slashdot style?

      This is offtopic, but you're misusing the term "blog". You mean a "forum".

      A "forum" is a group discussion, a "blog" in a single person expression opinions.

      In sex terms, a "forum" is an orgy, but a "blog" is masturbation. Clearer now?

  52. The end by mbrewthx · · Score: 2, Funny

    At the end the little autistic boy wakes up and you realize it was just a construct of his imagination.

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  53. Let it die already. by IdJit · · Score: 1

    The whole collection of Trek series have been so slapped together and band-aided to fit the original series. Trekkies will debate the most miniscule details until the end of time, but all the general story lines from all the shows have been modified, repeated and looped around each other so tightly that it's no longer enjoyable to watch.

    Just give me Kirk and his homies and some crappy scenery and I'll be set.

    1. Re:Let it die already. by rokzy · · Score: 1

      yes, it was just meant to be a bit of fun. no one meant for it to be taken so seriously. now people are coming up with all kinds of strange and contradictory explanations to make it fit with today's stuff. when in reality it simply does not fit. because it has no meaning. it's just a bunch of stuff written by fallable humans. just like the bible.

  54. A truly "Special Finale" by jalefkowit · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... would be if all the writers from all the seasons of Enterprise came out on camera and apologized.

    For that, give 'em the 2 hours. They have a lot to apologize for.

    1. Re:A truly "Special Finale" by jthayden · · Score: 1

      Like the ending of "Midsummer Nights Dream"

      If we shadows have offended,
      Think but this, and all is mended,
      That you have but slumber'd here
      While these visions did appear.
      And this weak and idle theme,
      No more yielding but a dream,
      Gentles, do not reprehend:
      if you pardon, we will mend:

      And, as I am an honest Puck,
      If we have unearned luck
      Now to 'scape the serpent's tongue,
      We will make amends ere long;
      Else the Puck a liar call;
      So, good night unto you all.
      Give me your hands, if we be friends,
      And Robin shall restore amends.

  55. Dupe! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  56. TrekUnited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If somehow http://www.trekunited.com/ manages to buy another season for their $ 3,130,961.26 then maybe we'll see another season on SpikeTV. However, I'm not holding my breath.

  57. None the less by Haxx · · Score: 0


    This bird is no more!

  58. OK, I must troll!! by nate+nice · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Enough of this crap. Sure, this is "News for nerds..." but this show is for complete nerds. Damn it, quit posting about this show that anyone that actually cares about knows every bit about when its last episode is and has plenty of forums to post on elsewhere. Enough already, it's being cancelled because NO ONE CARES!.

    OK, mods, light me up.

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    1. Re:OK, I must troll!! by Ka+D'Argo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "NO ONE CARES!"

      Really? I care. Others as have said in this thread, care. Kinda defeats your statement eh?

      I'm sorry but you're just flaming alot of slashdot readers in that one post. It is news for nerds. Trek is for nerds, complete nerds, mini nerds, full blown costume wearing nerds, etc. Don't like it? You are free to read any of the other great stories /. posts and comment on them if you choose.

      As for Enterprise, I donated to TrekUnited to help , I love Trek. I grew up with it my whole life. I grew up watching TNG, then DS9 then Voyager. The fantasy escape Trek provides from the real world is better than any drug high or alcoholic binge, and it's one I as a fan, a nerd, a Trekker won't give up.

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    2. Re:OK, I must troll!! by nate+nice · · Score: 1

      The fact that you and a couple other people sent in some change to keep it on air (and failed) is further proof NO ONE CARES.

      The show blows and I speculate the few that like it only like it because they are sickly obsessed with anything Star Trek like a crack fiend obsessing over low grade crack. Not because it's good, but because it's all they have in that regard. It doesn't take away form the fact it is low grade crack.

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  59. Nice end date by CoolSilver · · Score: 1

    However, UPN has decided to air both 'Terra Prime' and 'These Are The Voyages...' on the same day, Friday the 13th of May

    I think they had this planed for a while

  60. Pedantic reply by sconeu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Episode title: "In the Pale Moonlight".

    That was a great episode, but what really makes it great is that when Sisko and Bashir got caught in the Bell riots, Bashir asks if humanity has really progressed since 2027, and what would they do if the survival of the Federation was at stake, and Sisko answers with some platitudes.

    Now here it is, 3 years later, and we have Sisko ordering murders, cover ups, etc... all in the name of saving the Federation.

    The juxtaposition of these two episodes is the some of the best TV I've ever seen.

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    1. Re:Pedantic reply by Councilor+Hart · · Score: 1
      I remember the episode you describe, but not the line.
      These kinds of things are what DS9 so good. it's a bit dark, many well written characters. It's about character development and morality.
      I watched Star trek since I was 11 or 12. Started with TNG. It taught me more morality, gave me more hope and more inspiration than my parents. Looking back at TNG, it's a bit dated and the female rolls aren't that good. But heck I was 12.
      I know that the Weasly character is horrible. But as a 12 year old, I sure looked up to that guy. He was flying a Star Ship!
      Now I am a scientist, who survived a horrible family. Thank you, Star Trek. Thank you Gene.

      And that is why I hate what they did to it with Enterprise.

    2. Re:Pedantic reply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, basing your life on Start Trek has done you a lot of good, Councilor.

    3. Re:Pedantic reply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least he can spell "Star Trek," doofus.

  61. Bob Newhart by RatBastard · · Score: 1

    Riker: [Wakes up]: Dianna, I just had the strangest dream...
    Troy: Go back to sleep, Will.

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    1. Re:Bob Newhart by AndroidCat · · Score: 1

      If they used a Bob Newhart ending, Dr Sam Beckett would wake up in bed after completing his oddball leap into the future. Who he'd wake up in bed with, I dunno--maybe Al?

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  62. Worst Timing Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Admittedly the first few seasons were not that great, but season four has been amazing. Why cancel a show that has gotten 10 times better?

    1. Re:Worst Timing Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because black people do not watch Sci-Fi and UPN should be called BPN when you look at the rest of their line up.

  63. Re:First comment! :D by edwdig · · Score: 4, Informative

    Season 1 of Enterprise was so-so. Season 2 (particuarly the middle third of it) was bad, but started to pick up at the end. Season 3 was good. Season 4 was very good, with the 2 or 3 part stories (which make up most of the season) being better than the standalone episodes.

    Enterprise only sucks if you stopped watching before Season 3. It's understandable to stop then, but don't judge it now based on that. All Star Trek series start off on the bad side and improve as they go along, this one being no different.

  64. New series by Ritalin16 · · Score: 1

    What I really want to know is if theres going to be another series after this one's over.

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  65. Re:First comment! :D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could at least go that extra mile for us and provide a couple of picture links of those Vulcan breasts.

  66. Next Star Trek show to be reality based by xswl0931 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Put a bunch of Trekkies on a set. Tell them they can't leave and must solve Star Trek style plotlines. One person will be killed each week (it'll be the ensign in the red uniform).

    1. Re:Next Star Trek show to be reality based by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To make it better TV, all the trekkies wear 'green screen' colored uniforms, and after the voting takes place, the producers go back and change the uniform color. We know who is going to get the phaser blast, but get to watch as reality dawns upon the unfortunate soul....

    2. Re:Next Star Trek show to be reality based by nizo · · Score: 1

      Only if the person dies by explosive decompression. I don't know why I like that term so much, it is just so darn descriptive, and just rolls off the tongue.

  67. The 13th. by Patrick+Mannion · · Score: 0

    I had something funny but forget it in two seconds. But, I came up with something new. Lighting will strike the transmitter and bring up a techinal diffculties caption. The program will come back on air just as it ends. Then thousands of Trekkies groan that they didn't see Riker or Troi, but will cheer becuase Enterpise is gone!

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    1. Re:The 13th. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then the Millions who want to see the series continue hunt down and beat the crap out of assholes like you.

      WTF is it wout your motherfuckers and hating everything.

  68. An 8-Bit Theater moment... by Cl1mh4224rd · · Score: 1

    Riker: "Does something seem... I don't know, different to you guys?"
    Troi: "Yeah. But it also feels correct somehow. Like a horrible mistake was corrected in an instant."

    Episode 300: The House Always Wins

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  69. What should be next... by ringworlder · · Score: 1
    The original series continued. It couldn't be done with the original actors, but this is 2005--who needs actors? Do it with CGI, maybe even mimic the 1960s-TV-look. It might not be possible to make it seamless today, but it shouldn't be too long.

    The original series, continued today, would have very interesting possibilities. Time travel to the existing future would be cool. Other characters and ships could appear. Say, Q (from the very far future) enlists Voyager and the Enterprise to save the galaxy from something that can beat the Continuum but won't notice our galaxy if Kirk and Janeway fight the Relativity in the far future. Maybe not the best idea, but it gets the point across.

    No Trekkie would miss a continuation of Kirk's adventures, whereas Enterprise has not been universally popular

    1. Re:What should be next... by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please let Star Trek die. Its time. There will still be
      books with the occaisional interesting and original idea.
      As someone who grew up with TOS and has seen much of the
      subsequent incarnations I just feel it is well past time to
      move on. Enjoy the reruns and DVDs and give your support
      to new and different science fiction on TV.

    2. Re:What should be next... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you didn't notice, but excessive time travel stories are what helped make Enterprise suck so much.

  70. We the Viewers are human by Easy2RememberNick · · Score: 1

    Gee thanks UPN. You treat your viewers like the products that your advertisers push.

    To the cast and crew, everyone involved, of Enterprise it was a great show, I'm sorry to see it ended in such an idiotic way.

  71. Mentioning the Borg lost me by ianscot · · Score: 1
    It wasn't until the series found its footing later that it became interesting.... Borgs eat our lunch

    It amazes me how many people mention the Borg as if introducing a bunch of robotic heavies was some sort of master stroke. As bad guys, the Borg were somewhat less interesting than Superman's robot enemy who held all Kryptonian knowledge -- was it BRAINIAC? I can't remember the name. At least there, you had some conflicted motives: destroy it, and you're destroying all it knows about your lost home. By contrast the Borg menace was unsubtle -- and that's saying a lot, isn't it?

    STTNG was much more interesting when it put the characters in situations where force had to be applied carefully if at all, so that it was about solving problems rather than being stronger or weaker than a given baddie. That would be the whole difference between Kirk and Picard, duh. Borg episodes dispensed with that level of writing. They were around because the writers dried up a little, I've always thought.

    That series did a lot of stuff that was actually kind of fun and imaginative, but the Borg was just cheap.

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    1. Re:Mentioning the Borg lost me by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      Well, the Borg were interesting villians for two reasons, they weren't aliens who looked just like humans except some extra brow ridges who behave just like humans except they pick one aspect of humanity and take it to the extreme(Bjorians(sp?)[religous kooks], Vulcans[stoics], Klingons[Spartans], Cardassians[fascists]. Second, the Borg were a throwback to the Cybermen of Dr Who fame, which also made them cool. Good drama needs conflict and danger. Donahue in space is not good drama.

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    2. Re:Mentioning the Borg lost me by Mr.+Arbusto · · Score: 1

      It was a good stroke, until it became a crutch for episodes long after they were introduced, there is an entire episode block of TNG and a lot of Voyager I can't watch because of it.

      The Borg should have continued to be, "Oh Shit the Borg we better figure out a way to get the hell out of here" rather than the constant, "Oh look, the Borg. We better modify our phase variance with the main deflector dish with Nanobot technology and avoid all conflict."

  72. perfect final plot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shatner wakes up, puts on his overalls and John Deer cap, gets on his tractor and heads off into his wheat field....

    roll credits.......

  73. The Romulans invade Earth to impose by MichaelPenne · · Score: 1

    Their version of theocracy. But when the terrans finally get to vote, they vote for a secular democracy...

  74. Re:Quick! To action! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't comment on Terri Schiavo, but like I reiterate about Star Trek

    No.
    Stop.

    Stop insisting that we have ANOTHER Star Trek. Give it some time.

    Allow writers to figure out what went wrong.
    But for God's sake stop! We don't need another Star Trek. We all need to stop.

    And also all these SF shows . . .From Gene Roddenberry. This almost feels like the staleness before the first Star Wars movie came out.

    Someone needs to come up with something completely new. Not based on something else like every other post modern work. Wait, I know. There's only so many actual stories that can be told, but c'mon there has to be something else out there. Isn't there?

    And it's also wrong [although not quite as much] to take away millions of people's entertainment because they weren't employing the right writers.

    Closer to ~2mil. Not enough to fund a show. Just read the comments on /. We are the first ones to scream bloody murder when a show is about to go. The only screaming I see around here is, 'Let It Die'. That's a sign that a show truly bites the big bipper. When geeks don't support it, pack up the set and move on.

  75. It sucked most of the time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Agree that S1 was somewhat acceptable (compared to DS9/voyager) and that most of S2 was worse.

    But S3 was a total desaster; the whole story-arc seems 'terrorist' inspired, the airlock-torture is highly questionable and all this fighting against Xindi/Sphere-builders/Time-travellers would have been completely boring if not for the work of their computer graphics people.

    I agree that S4 is a lot better; especially because of the stories spanning a few episodes.

    In the end I won't miss it that much; just hoping nobody will allow B OR! B to manage a star trek production ever again.

  76. Holodeck by rjelks · · Score: 1

    ...not if they just take it all back. Just think, this could all be some clever joke by Barclay.

    I really did start liking the current season a lot better. I've been watching since the 1st season and there have been a few really good episodes mixed in with a lot of boring ones. I guess I don't feel too strongly about the show, one way or the other.

    /still pissed they killed off Data.

    1. Re:Holodeck by Lord+Dreamshaper · · Score: 5, Informative

      /still pissed they killed off Data.

      Brent Spiner wanted to kill him off. It took some arm twisting to get him to do the last movie or two. He felt that the character had run its course (I've never heard anything to suggest that he felt that the character had been painted into a corner development-wise).

      They should have gotten the guy who played Lore or even Dr. Soong. Those guys could have passed as Data w/o pissing off the audience...

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    2. Re:Holodeck by rjelks · · Score: 1

      I've heard that too, and it still sucked. :)

      I don't really see them making another TNG movie after the last one anyway. In fact, I don't see them making any for a while; the DS9 crew pretty much left in the finale, Voyager's back in the Alpha quadrent (and no one wants a movie of them). I guess with Enterprise gone, they'll be a break for a while. Oh well...I did hear a cool concept with Riker as captain, but I don't quite remember to details.

    3. Re:Holodeck by ebooher · · Score: 1

      Ummm .... the guy that played Lore *and* Dr. Soong *was* Brent Spiner ....

      *Scratches Head*

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    4. Re:Holodeck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm .... *He* *KNOWS* *that* ....

      *Scratches arse*

    5. Re:Holodeck by Cappy+Red · · Score: 1

      The first couple TNG movies kinda took a shotgun to some of the long-standing character bits from the series. Data got it the worst... but, then again, he probably got it the best, because he had the most development played out on screen. Considering Geordi went from VISOR to ocular implants to healed eyes in almost no screen time, I'd say Data got lucky.

      Then there's the fact that Crusher had nothing to do, Troi got drunk, and in a separate movie, inexplicably got back together with Riker. Riker got to direct... I think that was his biggest piece of development. Worf wisely transferred over to another television crew, where his character got a bit more to play with.

      And we didn't even see Wesley.

      Really, as badly butchered as Data got at times, he and Picard were the only main crewmembers to get decent focuses.

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  77. Proper endings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, and JMS was ready to end B5 after the 4th season if he had to. We still have a few months to go before we start seeing more of where Firefly was going.

  78. Enterprise Finale Synopsis Released! by zenneth · · Score: 0

    CAUTION! SPOILER AHEAD!




    They find their way home to an Earth ruled by MONKEYS... in the future.

    Apparently, Mark Wahlberg has signed on for a cameo.

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  79. Real reason for the timing and the 2-for-1 by gilroy · · Score: 1

    However, UPN has decided to air both 'Terra Prime' and 'These Are The Voyages...' on the same day, Friday the 13th of May, in an effort to still make a special event out of the show's end."


    Hmmm. It couldn't be to piggy-back on all the sci fi buzz that will be happening the week before the debut of Episode III, could it?
  80. UPN is reasonably cutting their losses. by jbn-o · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think the reason ST:ENT is being cancelled is because Star Trek no longer has the huge following it once did. The Nielsen ratings indicate that not as many people watch ST:ENT as watched ST:TNG, ST:DS9, or even ST:VOY.

    Adding another blog will not change this. There are already many Internet outlets for discussion of Star Trek affairs, Viacom runs some of them. Star Trek fans give their opinions and anyone who writes for Star Trek can get feedback there.

    As for involving the public more in scriptwriting, everyone knows about the collaborative power which the Internet makes possible. There are reasons why this doesn't happen for Star Trek. Legally, there comes a point where this communal involvement would run the risk of lawsuits where people demand credit and/or payment. Viacom runs Star Trek shows to make money on merchandising, not to pay money to lawyers to defend Star Trek fan-based lawsuits. There are also problems of getting qualified writers to do that work for free by posting their ideas to strangers online. Good writers are not so common that you're likely to find them by reading Star Trek websites or Usenet discussion groups.

    Paying too much attention to the fans is a bad risk as well. Artistically, there's the danger of writing a show that is so narrowly focused on the desires of the fans that the show would appeal to nobody else. This means that the audience for Star Trek would shrink over time as the audience matures and leaves the show behind (this is one of the reasons why I stopped watching Star Trek shows and movies). New fans would be hard to come by because the show is so insular and unapproachable to those who haven't followed it.

    1. Re:UPN is reasonably cutting their losses. by fuzza · · Score: 1

      I think the reason ST:ENT is being cancelled is because Star Trek no longer has the huge following it once did. The Nielsen ratings indicate that not as many people watch ST:ENT as watched ST:TNG, ST:DS9, or even ST:VOY.

      That's because Enterprise was rubbish from the beginning, so the real Trek fans have been leaving over time. The idiotic plot holes even within their own show are what really irks me - my favourite is "everyone knows about this disease that comes from mind melds (hence there is a stigma over it) but no one knows about mind melds themselves". Duh...

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  81. Re:Quick! To action! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, so your analogy here would be Gene Roddenberry (i.e. the parents) trying to save his child (Enterprise series) via acts of the US Congress.

    I'm sure most of the "Enterprise sucks" (non) viewers around here would laugh at this analogy (since the almighty "Gene" knew best), so why is this marked up as funny again?

  82. Still on? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean Enterprise is still on the air??? On my local UPN station, all I get on Friday night's are the basketball game or informercials...

  83. any hopes for new enterprise? by Liveandletlive · · Score: 1

    Are there any plans to start a new voyage for enterprise?

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    1. Re:any hopes for new enterprise? by Gax · · Score: 1

      They've redone Battlestar Galactica, Kojak and War of the Worlds. Give it a few years and they will cash-in on the nostalgia and release a new film.

      The cancellation of official Trek is IMO a good thing. It will motivate fans to create their own interpretations, such as the excellent New Voyages

  84. upn sucks... by socket9001 · · Score: 1

    it cant be.. enterprise must not go off the air.. :(

  85. Plot Ideas by mitchner · · Score: 1
    "What if they had a blog for the show, slashdot style? Complete with potential plots for shows that people could comment on and moderate?"
    Sounds great. I'd love the plot ideas "slashdot style"

    running linux on your communicator

    running linux on your phaser

    why microsoft sucks

    Natilie Portman running Linux naked

    running linux on your tribble

  86. The only option... by d_p · · Score: 1

    ...worth watching is 'everybody dies'.

  87. Look to the Past by dan_the_heretic · · Score: 0

    I the 60's there was a program on CBS called "Men into Space". It was on Wednesdays at 7:30pm ( So was "Lost in Space", but that's another reality).
    The program dealt with the everyday problems that happen when you work in outer space. You know, malfunctioning equipment, leaking space suits, jealousy, greed, other endearing human qualities. It was a good show.

    Use the space environment as the backdrop, not(!) the main reason for the show.

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    1. Re:Look to the Past by Deinhard · · Score: 1

      That was the focus of Allen Steele's books that I mentioned above. Orbital Decay is about the men (and women) working the "Very High Steel" building orbital powersats. One subplot in the book is about the workers figuring out how to smuggle beer and pot aboard a shuttle flight.

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  88. Meh by abb3w · · Score: 1
    In other news, my girlfriend has decided to dump me and announced she is going to date my best friend all on the same day to make it a special occasion! Oh the joy.

    Right around the DS9 finale: been there, done that, and to add injury to insult it off all three of us had been living in the same apartment; she moved out of my bedroom into his (having kept her own for the closet space). After weighing that I live in a death penalty state, and after a modest period of consideration, I decided to let them live, and went apartment hunting. Time wounds all heels. So, I still look cheerfully forward to ceremoniously dancing on their graves when the happy event finally rolls around....

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  89. Music by rctay · · Score: 1

    In all these Enterprise threads someone always blames the music for the shows failing. I want to at last take the position that I like the song, and think it very appropriate for the lead in and the show itself. It may not be opera, but dammit Jim I'm an engineer, not a composer.

  90. Re:First comment! :D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never watched the show and yet I feel a little bit of the same sadness I felt when TNG went off the air (I Did watch that one). Odd. I guess I'm just used to having at least some kind of "Trek" in my life.

  91. Enterprise was a good series. by master_p · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Over here (Southern EU) we have seen the first season only, but I have to say Enterprise was very good.

    Every ST series reflects its era: the original series was like the heroic movies shot in the 50s (ala Spartacus); TNG was all very strong in characters, just like in the 80s we had mega-stars like Jackson and Madonna; and Enterprise is calm and very low-profile, just like the 'cool' and 'chillin' personalities of late 90s/early 2000. The difference can be summed up in the Captains' behaviour: Kirk would shoot first, then talk over the victim; Picard would not shoot unless a full philosophical analysis of the situation took place ; and Archer would be engaged in smalltalk until he found the right spot to shoot.

  92. worst. themsesong. ever. by option8 · · Score: 1



    yeah. i had high hopes for a prequel series when the buzz started up about it... i think i first read about it on /. actually

    but as soon as the first episode started up and that... song... oozed out of the speakers... sweet mother of crap, that was awful. it killed the mood, shat on the entire majesty and nobility of the journey into the unknown that makes trek, well Trek.

    even TNG, on its worst wesley crusherest of days, still kept the spirit alive, though it was sitting in a corner, crying a little. a big part of it was characters like picard, but, as with a lot of the best movies and series, one of the characters was the music. in my mind, enterprise was DOA in that department.

    well, that and the decision to make enterprise's pre-TOS technology too far advanced. where are the knobs and switches? analog, kitschy interfaces would have made things a little humorous, but the series took itself way too seriously anyway. that and the transporter. i wanted so badly for them to not have that plotcrutch to lean on. to have to write themselves out of a wet paper bag, without the deus ex machina of instant matter transmission.

    and time travel. god, how readily that's trotted out when the soup gets thin. it's all somehow worse than the dark days of deus ex wesley. at least those episodes can be explained by a writers' strike. or so i'd like to believe.

    paramount should have hired the writing team from firefly as soon as fox let them out of their contract, killing off the last great hope of many scifi tv fans. firefly will be missed.

    in the long run, though, enterprise will not be mourned, at least not any more than ensign whatshisname that got killed that time. the one in the red shirt that transported down to that planet...

    1. Re:worst. themsesong. ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh look another looser who didnt watch but feels like they can speak with some certainty.
      PLease FOAD so /. is no longer filled with your stupidity.

  93. Re:First comment! :D by payndz · · Score: 2, Insightful
    All Star Trek series start off on the bad side and improve as they go along

    'Where No Man Has Gone Before'
    'The Naked Time'
    'The Enemy Within'
    'Dagger Of The Mind'
    'The Corbomite Maneuver'
    'The Menagerie', Parts I & II
    'Balance Of Terror'
    'Shore Leave'
    'The Galileo Seven'
    'Arena'
    'Space Seed'
    'The Devil In The Dark'
    'Errand Of Mercy'
    'The City On The Edge Of Forever'

    I beg to differ.

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  94. the 13th!! by UlfGabe · · Score: 1

    It's a friday!

    **Head explodes in the irony of how ST:E went down, and has it's last two epidsodes scheduled for fri 13th**

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  95. I declare a blood oath by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I here by declare a blood oath *slashes palm* to beet bergman to a pulp, and boot him in the head. Then I will cast vegence on his entire crew for and fox for running a killer series into the ground. Who wants to join me?!

  96. Two words. by DarkMantle · · Score: 1

    Kill Berman

    Yeah, that sums it up. This looks RETARDED. Since I don't the Holodecks were even available in TOS, how the hell did they get one that they could use in the year 2173?

    And skipping 6 years? can you say *cough*BullShit*chough*

    Oh, did I mention? KILL BERMAN!

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    1. Re:Two words. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow you are retarded to think Riker and Troy were TOS characters. The holodeck scene will tak place in the Next Generation timeline.

      Fuckers like you should kill yourselves to free up thinking space here on earth.

  97. Darn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I was just about to find out why the Klingons in the original series looked so cheesy.

  98. Campaigns work, I gave $20 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..to some site on the inernet that promised to use the money to make sure that the series not be allowed on the air again.

    So you see?
    These campaigns do work, you just have be on the winning side.

  99. Re:First comment! :D by pan0k · · Score: 1

    I just love Season 5 where nothing happens.

  100. Finally, its gone! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Good, Enterprise was the only reason I ever watched UPN. Now I'll have no excuse whatsoever. Thanks UPN! Your channel sucks. I'm glad I can just imagine that it doesn't exist at all now!

    Hopefully Sci Fi or someone else will pick up Enterprise. UPN is the ONLY channel in my viewing area that doesn't broadcast in High Definition. Thats very telling of the audience they are tailored to, and I hope the high-dollar advertisers remember that.

  101. Re:First comment! :D by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1
    'The City On The Edge Of Forever'

    I beg to differ.

    Pshew. Who the hell'd ever agree with you?

  102. Good plots written by blog-readers by moeffju · · Score: 1

    INTRO

    T'Pol and Hoshi float in a zero-g zone, naked, touching each other.
    This pans out for 45 minutes.

    THE END


    Moderation: +5, Drooling

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  103. Awwww, just when it was getting good. by kabz · · Score: 1

    I watched the recent episode where Archer and the crew fought the Nazis over New York and it kicked ass. Really good episode.

    It's a shame the show is ending. I'll look forward to the watching the last couple of episodes in high def.

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  104. Star Trek as a western? Unpossible! by runlvl0 · · Score: 1

    For an interesting exercise think about how you would rewrite "High Noon" as a Star Trek episode.

    As Original Series, Episode 56: Spectre Of The Gun?

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