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Al Gore Invents Internet TV
catdevnull writes "The SF Gate is reporting that former VP Al Gore is launching "Current" a new CableTV-Internet hybrid. From the article: "Current, the name of Gore's enterprise, hopes to do that by airing a shuffle of short news features, some produced by the network but many submitted online by viewers. Current will also air segments every half hour showing TV viewers what Google searchers are tapping into at that moment -- everything from current events to tourist destinations. It's all directed at a generation that thinks nothing of plugging into more than one media outlet at once." "
...he'll invent SlashDot!
Paleotechnologist and connoisseur of pretty shiny things.
You mean like MSNBC? The channel both Microsoft and NBC want to dump?
"Al Gore's endorsement should be enough for anybody"
And this man was almost president.
The original inventor of the algorithm?
Current will also air segments every half hour showing TV viewers what Google searchers are tapping into at that moment
That's going to be kindof X-rated, don't you think? Experience has shown that at any given point, a good portion of people using the internet are searching for porn, or at least naked pictures of celebrities.
Still funny. All these years later. No it is, it's never gotten old. Not even when the NSF credited him with a major role in makeing the internet into something broadly useful.
First an irate and bogus article referring to "Communist San Fransisco", and now jokes from 5 years ago!
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...articles about robots recently?
I don't get it.
So they're going to start monitoring Google and can see what people search for? I really hope I just read that wrong.
Credit for Internet funding by Vinton Cerf & Robert Kahn:
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I swear to god, when I heard about this (several days ago, btw, on my local nightly news program- Slashdot is a little slow on the uptake), the newscaster said something along the lines of "Al Gore isn't stopping with the internet, now he's doing his own TV channel!"
I always assumed that everyone got that the whole "I invented the internet" stuff was a bunch of crap, but now I'm starting to have my doubts- I think a lot of people DO think he "invented the internet".
She wrapped it up with "however, Gore will not appear on the channel himself." Thank god- we've have an epidemic of people falling asleep from Instant Boredom.
Please help metamoderate.
"Part of our objective is to connect those two experiences" :X
I don't think he'd want to see the outcome of TV and Internet merged under one solution. We already got Paris Hilton all over the net and on tv
Then I read the following line:
Those hoping for a liberal network to balance the conservatism of Fox won't find it here.
Well now I'm almost sold!
Emperor of the Moon? It's taking too damn long.
A TV show or short segment showing what people are looking for on Google? Oh god, I can just imagine it now:
193.53.2.10 is looking for "l33t w@r3z" with 57 hits
Oh but check this out! 216.23.129.44 is looking for "vast right wing conspiracy" with 683,000 hits!
101.23.64.99 is looking for "CENSORED" with 2,947,345 hits. What a perv!
Etc.
It will be priceless when a bot comes out to flood google with searches about the current political climate and it gets picked up. Hopefully this like most other retarded plans falls by the wayside as real ideas come forward.
Apparently he also took the initiative to say initiative a billion times.
Uh, is Al sure he wants to broadcast how often people are searching for pr0n, and the different "kind" of pr0n they're looking for?
What would Tipper say??
He's making "liberal TV" But he says he's not.
Nah, I'd guess it to be more like Robot Wars 24/7.
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(O.o) This is Bunny. (> <)
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm
Nope. The internet makes you stupid.
If nothing else, this venture is useful because it makes someone who's not the NSA an important customer for Google's aggregated surf data. Showing it live on TV opens it up to the public.
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Look at the context of the quote though. It's obvious he's talking about a legislative accomplishment
People seem to be assuming that Gore wants to make a liberal counterpart to Fox News, but it appears that he's trying to do something quite different, making something that is far more interactive than traditional television. I have no idea if it will work (and I suspect that it won't), but critics might want to actually pay attention to what he's trying to do before criticizing something that has nothing to do with what he is trying.
Yep he said it. I don't know why people get all worked up about it though. Like "Internets" it was a verbal screw-up that has since become a never-ending running joke.
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
Yeah keep mocking him. You'll be sorry when he decides to take it back.
No he didn't. That wasn't his choice of words at all. He said he "took the initiative in creating the internet."
Still a poor choice of words, but you are spouting the same falsehoods as you see on TV/Slashdot.
Snopes Article
And "took the initiative in creating" and "inventing" are most certainly differnt. Nikola Tesla discovered/invented AC power distribution, but George Westinghouse took the initiative in creating the power grid, by providing the money for it. Al Gore's role was more like Westinghouse's, in that he worked to secure funding for the internet and similar projects in the 80s when no one else really cared about them.
It doesn't hurt to be nice.
And he did. Even the NSF acknowledged as much. Without the shift in government policy, we wouldn't have had the explosion of Entrepreneurship. The republicans post-Regan aren't pro Entrepreneurship, they're pro consolidation, pro-monopoly, and quite frankly, anti-american.
"...a generation that thinks nothing of plugging into more than one media outlet at once."
Maybe in my college days, but never again!
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Of course its obvious. But then again so are most trolls.
He actually said he "took the initiative in creating the internet"
Poor choice of words? Maybe, but Wired misquoted (libel!) him and put the word "Invented" in his mouth.
Either way, Al Gore did coin the phrase "Information Superhighway" and Eisenhower should get credit for the Internet because it's his vision of the Interstate system that was the fundamental idea that went into creating the Internet (and that was in like the 1950's!)
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April Fools is over for more than 5 days now!
"He's making "liberal TV" But he says he's not."
Of course he will not call it liberal TV. If he even hints that it may possibly have a liberal slant, every wingnut in the country will start screaming of how they are being persecuted by the media. If it were possible for him to come in under the wingnut radar, he might be able to avoid some of the crap that Air America radio went through.
More power to him. I'll pay for the channel.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act!" -- George Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair)
What, you mean the stuff we get has had most of the crap screened out.
http://www.nbc.com/nbc/The_Tonight_Show_with_Jay_L eno/headlines/H_2871/H_2871_13.jpg
what people are searching google for every 30 minutes?!
Reality is nothing but a collective hunch.
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Probably not, but it's pretty boring to hear them over and over again.. guess I'm getting too old.
On second thought, maybe it's because he's only "mis-spoken" a few times that there are so few jokes to be made.
Anyway, Internet-TV has been here, already.. for years. Big Whoop. Will it be better from the crappy CNN and horrible FOX and pitiful MSNBC or the neutered ABC & CBS networks?
Maybe, but I kinda doubt it. It'll probably be full of advertisements, infomercials and other useless pap within the year.. if not from the start.
One can only wish for investigative, Fact-based-journalism that doesn't mindlessly repeat whatever important-person-x says or yak-yak about celebrity-scandal #1,043,323.
...a failed cable TV experiment with interactive boxes? Even venerable game show host Bill Cullen did a one-off game show in Columbus called How Do You Like Your Eggs?
Gleepy the Hen. More intelligent than the average hen.
AA failed miserably because instead of being original they were shallow and vicious copy cats. Most of their junk was a mean spirited parody of some other sucessful show.
Gore says he isn't going to slant the shows yet the list of whos who there is very very slanted.
I just hope he doesn't get as dumb as Rock The Vote has become or worse delve into the nasty politics of MoveOn or similar from the right.
If he truly wants to show that he is sane; yes I doubt it sometimes; lets hope that he doesn't slant it too much and not become just another mouthpiece for the DNC.
If your going to compete with the likes of Rush, Hannity, and the right you need to deliver facts and keep the slant off. Do not copy unless your doing so out of sincere flattery for someone else's job well done. Lastly do not EVER go off on a tirade that borders on a political stump speech.
Oh, please don't blame anyone else if you fail.
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
That's what most Google searches are for. And all the ad breaks will be infomercials for Viagra etc.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Obviously you need to go back and read from the constitution what the electoral college is and quit relying on what your liberal teachers tell you. The electoral college was a great idea our founding fathers came up with. This gives an equal share of the outcome of an election to small states or large states based on population. Without the electoral system, there would be NO NEED for any politician to ever visit "flyover" country. They would spend all their time in: California, Florida, New York, Illinois, Texas and a couple of other states, where the bulk of the population resides. The other states in the union would not receive any representation, since they have "too few" people. The electoral college prevents that from happening.
I don't know why people get all worked up about it though.
People get worked up about it because it was used during the 2000 election by right-wing pundits (yes, I mean *you*, Peggy Noonan) to "prove" that Al Gore was a serial liar who couldn't be trusted with the presidency.
So people on the right who get worked up about it do so because they see it as evidence that Gore is a dangerous buffoon who came *this close* to leading the country. People on the left who get worked up about it do so because it confirms for them that Republicans are evil, election-stealing savages.
Still others get worked up because the initial accusations and the long debate that followed seem to suggest that either something is badly wrong with the political system, or possibly that people aren't wearing enough hats.
Take your pick.
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You give people too much credit by assuming they weren't stupid before they got on the internet.
I say put it in the ticker (news crawl):
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(Based on eal dogpile searches)
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This has to be a new low for Slashdot. Al Gore actually did to a lot for the Internet, and he never claimed to "invent" it. Whoever posted this needs to stop watching Fox News occassionally and use his brain.
How to take shit out of context (Republican version)
1. Find somebody you hate. That was easy.
2. Find something he said that is moderately vague
3. repeat said words over and over, paraphrasing liberally. block all attempts at discussion over what said words meant.
4. respond to all questions about said quote with more rhetorical questions. Example:
Skeptic: "sir, do you really think Gore meant he singlehandedly got a bunch of programmers together and told them to create the internet?"
Response: "i don't know, YOU TELL ME!"
I just found the box to change my sig. Um.... [timeless witticism].
Thanks a lot for digging out this quote though, it's nice how often zealots find counter-factuals for you.
Why not post the link to the Current TV homepage?
It's pretty, and it the layout works with Firefox (unlike some sites)
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If you actually read the quote you'll see he never said he invented the Internet. That accusation is the work of spin doctors. Invention and creation are completely separate things. Invention is the conception of an idea. He never said he hit his head on a toilet and came up with the idea for the Internet out of the blue. What he said in fewer words is that the idea existed, he knew about it, he liked it enough that he actually wanted to see it implemented. He took the initiative to bring a concept to fruition by legislative action. He even opens the quote by saying he was in congress, not in some laboratory. Twisting his words and saying that he claimed to invent the Internet was an attempt to brand him as a liar, exaggerator and lunatic as part of the smear campaign. I'm not an Al Gore fanboy but I cannot believe that people are still buying that crap. I guess tomorrow CNN will run a story about how 90% of americans still believed that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that they are still there in the hands of insurgents. I am just dumbfounded by how cynical the Republican leadership is and how shamelessly and blantantly they exploit the media, then turn around to say that the liberal media is out to get them.
But will he ban Gore-y movies?
You must be new if you think facts are a consideration to the fox-heads around here...
Please provide proof that the National Science Foundation acknowledged this.
As a /. reader/commenter, you are supposed to post without RTFA. So what's the point in posting links.
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Ok. Find some of the people you think he should have shared credit with, and see whether they felt that Al Gore's statement was dishonest. (And obviously it's self-serving. It'd be self-serving for him to claim such credit even if he personally invented TCP/IP.)
His mistake was in making his statement too easy to misinterpret. I believe he's admitted as much.
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
Actually, I almost modded you a troll to lower your ranking below 0 so your "homepage" link would stop screwing up my 80-column display. Instead, I was nice and loaded up IE instead of the terminal I had been using.
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The quote actually does not, except by wild misinterpretation, actually mean what the widespread, if only in jest, humorous interpretation implies it does. The actual quote: "I took the initiative in creating the Internet." this means, from the political perspective, that he encouraged the allocation of funds for the greater development of the protocols and systems that now comprise the systems that are thought of when "Internet" is heard by the majority, into the commercial entity that it now is.
For all those that say Gore didn't claim to invent the net I include the following.
Ok, so you indicate that you're about to show that he claimed to have *invented* the internet. But then you quote Gore as having said:
I took the initiative in creating the Internet
I'd just like to make two points here:
1) If you question Gore's role in CREATING the internet, why don't you read what the guys who INVENTED the internet have to say about the matter.
2) "Invent" is not the same as "create". Last week I created a meatloaf in my kitchen. I did not *invent* meatloaf.
1. Used "groupthink" in a sentence.
2. Thinks Gore bragging about having voted to fund the growth of the internet is somehow "damning" or "Gore having claimed to invented the internet".
We have ourselves a Fox News Zombie!
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...if I should watch Gore's Internet-TV hybrid, or this new slew of enthralling reality shows!
Dumbass: AA came back and now has 53 stations across the country.
Having viewers make shows for you? I guess that's kind of like how /. works. I was hoping, however, that it would be like blogging meets TV--you know, bloggers at events and getting air time in front of a cable audience and not just the blogosphere.
Then again, it's already like that but with only text. And the blogging goes straight through to the viewer. So the more I think about this, the more it sounds like he's creating a middle-man company, which is to say, a completely useless and potentially brain-damaging company. Fuck that.
By the way, the first sentence of the article is "Al Gore never said he invented the Internet." So at least there's some good text in there.
AA failed miserably because instead of being original they were shallow and vicious copy cats. Most of their junk was a mean spirited parody of some other sucessful show.
Air America now has 51 stations, and reaches millions of viewers. It is also, according to Time magazine, "financially stable."
If your going to compete with the likes of Rush, Hannity, and the right you need to deliver facts and keep the slant off.
I almost spit up my drink over that line. Do you really believe that Rush and Hannity don't have a "slant"? Sounds like you drank the coolade to me.
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I for one wouldn't count out the possibility of this channel actually becoming popular. I mean, it seems to be feeding off the viral video phenomenon that the Internet has created. If it can really manage to get material that is as addictive as all these viral videos then it has a chance.
The only real concern I have is that it is selling itself as a news channel. There really isn't much viral news out there on the internet. But it will be nice to see them give it a try anyways. Could be the first _new_ approach to television in years.
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And Microsoft invented the Binary Numbers.
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I've heard rumors about those internets.
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Exactly. It's like having a mid-level manager whose department invented the Cross-Flange Widget(tm) after being directed to modify an existing Widget for Cross-Flange capability, being interviewed with questions about his accomplishments, and responding "I took the initiative in creating the Cross-Flange Widget". Yes, he wasn't the one down there hammering out the new type of widget, but if it had been some other manager (in a company for which 95% of the managers at the time could care less about widgets), it would not have been invented (or invented much later). Oy, the analogy is strained. My apologies :)
What a crazy random happenstance!
From the description in this news article, "Current" sounds like MTV without the music tapes. String together all the semi-hip news and pretentious lecture-in-disguise clips MTV now offers, and you get "Current"!
A friend who has participated in numerous "brainstorm" sessions in TV industry once described those meetings as "plenty of saliva storm but no brain". Now I know why.
The report says Gore bought the network for $70 million; my graphic blog, http://sunandfun.blogspot.com/, does not cost a dime to produce and offers plenty of entertainment.
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Well, we've seen the protests when they put more bush on TV.
What a crazy random happenstance!
I have been called Liberal, Conservative, Too Christian so far in theis subthread. I am just missing the God hater label :)
BTW, government orgs are prohibited by law from doing what you say the NSF did.
Eric Schmidt, formerly of Novell, now of Google, is a real political animal:
And all of us on /. are ever so thankful for internet related legislation.
Skeptic: "Sir, do you really think that George W. Busch singlehandedly got a bunch of CIA agents together and told them to create a national crisis that would make the American people 'call for help', allowing for the creation of a national secret police founded and staffed by Busch henchmen while simultaneously sending the price of gasoline through the roof and making his fatcat oil friends even wealthier?"
Response: "I don't know, YOU TELL ME!"
Democratic followup: "Dubya isn't smart enough to do that. Just look at him for God's sake!"
Republican followup: "Yes, he is."
Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."
'Initiative' means "A beginning or introductory step; an opening move".
Now, 'create' and 'innvent' are synonyms:
create = "To cause to exist; bring into being."
invent = "To produce or contrive (something previously unknown)..."
so, substituting into the original statement:
that's funny, cause I think that completely ignoring context in order to slur someone you don't agree with is more indicative of zombielike behaviour than calling someone on it would be.
Impossible,
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oh wait.. a tv episode for download? look there's even an interview with Bram Cohen..
You can even download the episode from a torrent, What is this world coming too!!
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Al Gore never claimed he invented the internet! Let's be clear about this. He said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."
Which is true, he was a part of a house sub comitte that funded the DARPA research to develop a communications system that would withstand a nuclear attack. What they came up with eventually was adopted by universities and then by the masses. It is now known as the internet. He didn't invent it, nor did he ever claim he did. He was a key figure in it's creation though.
WURD!!
Wow, this opens up a whole new way for people to abuse Google--if you can get enough people to search for the same thing at any given time (or if you can virally distribute a script that'll do it for you) you might *conceivably* be able to get something on the air. Have they really thought this through? Imagine a couple million computers across the country bombing Google with some ridiculous or obnoxiously commercial search request (Golden-Palace.com, maybe?) j
It's NOT tv ON the internet, if you RTFA it's tv ABOUT the internet. Big difference.
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- Advanced the Internet
- Guest-starred multiple times on Futurama
- Was Vice-President
- On the Apple Board of Directors
- Now going into...um...network television.
I gotta tell you, I respect the guy. And this is only what I know about!i'd hit it so hard, if you pulled me out you'd be the king of britain [bash.org]
...that's why they're called Al-Gore-ithms.
Al Gates! Gates has been talking about IP TV, this seems to be moving in that direction. Conceptuality it it is a good idea to have short Internet viewable news, comedy, videos in one spot. Why bother putting it on cable?
For those of you keeping score at home:
Al Gore: 1 semantic slipup
His Opponent: 12,476 slipups (plus $2e11 mistake penalty), and counting.
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I think my remote control will be broken anywhere near this channel.
Sarah Vowell's book The Partly Cloudy Patriot has a chapter in it about how a remark that Al Gore made while speaking at a public school got misquoted by a single word and then blown up by the supposedly "liberal" media into a frenzy that took on a life of its own, and effectively, however unfairly and undeservedly, tarred Gore as a self-aggrandizing liar. I won't recount the story here... go borrow the book-on-cd from your local library. It's read by the author, so it'll be like having a defense of Al Gore read to you by Violet of The Incredibles.
... 'There's something I should know, I don't know why I should know it but someone knows it and I don't. So I'm going to have to make fun of him now.'"
From the book:
"[Gore] was widely perceived as arrogant. If you know something, you're not smart. You're a smarty-pants. It's annoying. People get annoyed with your knowledge. It goes back to high school, to not doing your homework
You are in error. No-one is screaming. Thank you for your cooperation.
Add this guy to the political troll list...
Political troll list? What kind of douche-bag comment is that?
I'm neither for or against Mr. Gore, but I find it remarkable that the man who was vice president of the US of A for 8 years, and almost became president, is out pimping rather half-baked TV channels.
It is pretty telling that so many are so defensive about their political views that the topic is untouchable.
But then you wouldn't really be competing, now would you?
Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
You said, and I quote, "telling that, when". What does that mean?
"Telling that, when". It doesn't make any sense. What are we supposed to make of that? That sounds like random babbling. Come back when you can make every individual part of your discussion mean the same as the whole.
"Don't get it"??
Dude, I've been listening to talk radio since I was 8 years old. I have two solid decades of talk radio under my belt. I know good talk radio from bad. I have listened to "Air America" plenty and it is the most droll, uninteresting, unprofessional, ill-prepared drek ever. It's a decent idea, but poorly excecuted. You can't just take the cast of SNL and make a syndicated political talk station out of it.
And 53 stations is nothing if they're 53 stations with poor ratings.
I don't know a soul who regularly listens to their programming. It's downright painful at times. Even my hardcore liberal friends can't stand it. They'd rather listen to a professional right-winger who knows what being a radio personality is than some chunky comedienne whining about how unfair the world is like your typical hollywood looney.
I'd give my left nut for a station that aired an opposing side to the right-wing drek that's on the air (I don't agree with either side, but it would be nice to switch to for a bit of flavor now and then), with a reputable person instead of some smarmy LA git. Dump Al Franken and Janine and give me, say, James Carville. Come on.
I'm really tired of everyone thinking that just because they're famous, they can swing radio. They CAN'T. Radio is DIFFICULT. You have to be INTERESTING and CLEVER and ARTICULATE. People like O'Reilly and the above mentioned names don't belong within a mile of a radio broadcasting booth.
Anyway, the same network that is responsible for all of the whacko rightwingers is responsible for the leftwing "Air America". Yep. You got it. Clear Channel. Oooh. That's really showing them!
And just because it has okay numbers (nothing to crowe about in most of the country, including the very progressive west coast state I live in), doesn't mean it's good radio. If you're a hardcore lefty, what are you going to listen to? It's not that there's much else out there. You have your choice between many very talented conservatives who you may disagree with most or all of the time, or very unpolished highschool/junior college quality liberal broadcasters that you can enjoin for a round of daily navel-gazing.
That it can manage to eek a three-share at times just means people are desperate for a different voice. And since this is the only voice out there doing that, it's their only option. Stick a competing network up out there that shares the same views, but with more professional and qualified personalities and you will quickly see Air America circle the drain.
Well, cable never has to buffer, and I'd venture to guess that more people have cable than decent broadband. I probably won't be watching Current, though, because I haven't seen a compelling reason yet to get digital cable -- all it'd do is make my TiVo less reliable. I doubt it'll be on analog, so I'll just hit their website once in a blue moon.
Are you out of your mind? Who would vote for Clinton?
Gore on the other hand could win.
That would have to be legisaltors since he is obviously talking about a legislative sucess. What kind of sucesses would you talk about if you were a former legislator?
They are going about it in a "Vast Left Wing Conspiracy" fashion: a group of guys get together and think "let's get left-wing talk radio out there.": They are overthinking it, and such plans usually do not work.
Why not look at how Rush Limbaugh came about? No VRWC created him: he was just a talented radio personality who happened to be very conservative. If the conservatives did the "VRWC" thing, they would fail at it too: radio programs by Dennis Miller, Gingrich and P.J. O'Rourke would be fizzling oddities. This is what the "VRLC" did with non radio guys like Cuomo, Hightower, and Franken.
The key is for a very talented radio personality who happens to be left-wing to rise on his own talents and his own audience appeal. When this happens, you'll have your Rush-crusher. The guys who created "Air America" would be much better off if they ditched their no-radio-talent roster headliners and replaced them with rising stars in talk radio who are left wing who have built shows on their own merits. They already have some of this on their schedule.
They'd also do better if their marketing focus was "good radio programs" rather than "radio programs you will only listen to out of duty because you think that doing so will stick it to Rush and Hannity".
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Air America are liberals, liberals arent always progressives. Liberals have a cultural agenda while progressives have a policy agenda. So while one group wants to legalize gay marriage, the other group wants universal healthcare, and often theres war between the factions of the far left and the Democrats.
Air America sucks because they do it all wrong. No ones going to listen to the government controlled radio to get their news, at least not if they are the progressive left or the far left, Air America is centerist left. Center left is actually right.
Think of it this way, how many people on Air America would agree to fighting for corporate responsibility? Have they suggested the corporations arent people? Air America is not the left. Al Franken? Who is he? They also have hosts no ones ever heard of or who don't deserve the right to be hosts. Instead of hollywood hosts you need to select some professors. Professors are the real leaders of the left, not the hollywood liberals. The professors are the ones who can talk about the real issues, ask the real questions. The hosts on Air America just react to the news.
Do you want to pickup the tab for the backbone components?
I guess Al's research capabilities aren't that great. There is a CBC http://cbc.ca/ radio show called "The Current" http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/ that has been doing what he is talking about for a long time.
Except the inane google search voyerism. Those are bound to be rife with quality crap. How about we slashdot goolge during a show and search for "golfing in alaska"
He said, " During my service in the United States Congress." You are now attributing to him that he was hacking in the back row of the senate floor? Obviously he was talking about what senators do 'durring [...] service" which is take initiative and make sure the money is there for creating the internet.
So, it's going to be a show about porn?
BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
The internet was already around by the time Algore took the initiative in creating it.
Your statement is one of the least retarded in this thread, but it still misses the point by a dozen miles. All an internet is, is a group of connected networks, and yes the concept was invented decades ago. However, the Internet - note the capitalization - with its petabytes of deta, millions of hosts, educational and consumer access was the work of business, government and higher education. And considering you can't name a government official more involved in the creation of the Internet as it is today than Al Gore, his origional comment was entirely appropirate.
Henry Ford said "I invented nothing new. I simply assembled into a car the discoveries of other men behind whom were centuries of work."
Gore was one of the people who helped get all the ducks in a row appropriations-wise. This might not be the same as single-handedly finding a universal cure for cancer on your day off, but there were lots of other people in Congress at that same time who didn't do what he did.
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
...like the worst security failure in US history...
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This is one of the reforms I dislike the most. IMHO, it is a violation of my political rights to be forced to pay money political candidate campaigns that I do not like or agree with. Come on now, do you really want to be forced to give money to Pat Buchanan's campaign?
"Make all campaigns tax supported, give every candidate an equal ammount of money."
This also puts a big wound in the side of Democracy: now you have government choosing who will be in government by running the campaigns (when I think that federal funding should be eliminated, not increased). It is a big step toward the Soviet election situation.
"I think banning all private funds in campaigns would be a good start too. I say if you want to support a candidate you take out a commercial or ad space in the newspaper"
An interesting idea, but as we saw in the last election, the "independent" supporters tend to secretly collaborate (and thus become a part of) the campaign. The Move On, Swift Boaties, Soros, etc.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Not sure about that...
I do know Vinton Cerf was the first person on the 'Net. He was the second PC. Before that it wasn't a network.
Or so he explained.
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Gore was a legislator between 1978 and 1992. However, my wording was bad and it makes it sould like funding the internet is the only thing they can do while this is just one example.
There is something to the realization that there is bias in all news media: bias in what they choose to report, what they do not choose to report, how they say it, how they don't say it, where they place it in the show, and so-on.
Of course, there is bias, and then there is BIAS. The ones who are respected as "the best journalists" are the ones who have a "bias" toward being "fair" to a degree that most others think they are fair, or they are good at selling their bias with a warm friendly voice.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/tech/scottmoritz/1 0215566.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050331/315459.html?.v=1
I love the smell of self-immolating grammar-Nazis in the morning, don't you?
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Even that's iffy, since the funding actually came from taxpayers.
How about "I took the initiative in helping allocate other people's money to fund the internet"?
So, how do you feel about the last Republican to lose a presidential race? If I recall, he was on TV peddling Viagra in a matter of weeks.
Better question: What, in your mind, would be an appropriate activity for an ex-presidential candidate? And who the hell are you to judge?
Al Gore and Bob Dole have made, and will make, millions in their post-political careers. Meanwhile, every business G.W. Bush touched before becoming President turned to shit. The shocker here is not how the mighty have fallen, it's how the weak have risen.
What an extraordinary situation where, even when specifically being told that it wasn't a partisan comment, some people just can't help unleashing their tired rhetoric. Apparently I should have given equal time to mock Dole for a viagra ad in response to an article about Gore.
Dude, I was USING the internet before Al Gore was ever got involved! Maybe it didn't have that name, but a TCP/IP network connecting universities and government agencies was already in place. That may not be the internet that we know today, but it was the seed from which it directly grew.
Al Gore didn't create a damned thing, all he did was spend money to expand it. No matter how many times his fans mod it down as flamebait, the truth will not change.
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
Still a poor choice of words, but you are spouting the same falsehoods as you see on TV/Slashdot.
It's funny how such a liberal crowd as Slashdotters and TV writers keep repeating the Republican-created meme that Gore "invented" the Internet. Does this make you fools, tools, or both? You could at least give the Republican party credit for knowing how to play you.
Oh, you mean like TechTV? Official TV "on" the Internet would be a better idea.
There's a reason they've grown to 53 so quickly.
Acquiescence leads to obliteration
It does seem like Air America was created by people who didn't realize that broadcasting is actually an artform, and having strong political beliefs is not the only qualification for holding up 3-4 hours of airtime. Still, they do have a couple of talented radio personalities who have been working at the format for 15-20 years. Mainly Rhandi Rhodes and Mike Malloy. Like them or not, their radio presence is commanding and they know what they're doing. The interaction they have with their callers reflects this. The network's most promoted hosts are total amatures - Al Franken is slowly learning the ropes, but Janeane Garofalo does not belong behind the mic, period. Theres just nothing appealing or worthwhile about her Majority Report program. It's like being at a green party rally on a shitty college campus.
Is there anyone still buying that pack of Rethuglican bulls**t?
http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm
http://www.sethf.com/gore/
So, who're we to believe? Some guy on slashdot, rethugican hacks, or Vint Cerf... I choose to believe Cerf.
Everyone, don't feed the troll.
I think you're in that parallel universe where Spock had a beard. Air America's problem is that it isn't mean spirited enough. As for MoveOn, they do great work and are by no means "nasty". Telling the truth isn't "nasty".
"If it's real, then it gets more interesting the closer you examine it. If it's not real, just the opposite is true." -
...it's a stupid name that's already been taken: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/radio/services/th ecurrent/
Good radio station though. Maybe I should warn them that I slashdotted the site with their web feed...
"If it's real, then it gets more interesting the closer you examine it. If it's not real, just the opposite is true." -
It all sounds promising, but the challenge will be selling a new independent network in a crowded field to the handful of cable companies that control distribution, and to advertisers.
Perhaps someone needs to tell them about broadcatching. If that takes off (which I think it will), we won't really need a central institution for this kind of content anymore.
-ashot
Hmm... an interesting idea... however, It'd be interesting to see how it is actually being realized... It's a pity that there is nothing similar in Europe so far... Or am I wrong?
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Al Gore is so damn 1337!
First he invents the interweb, now this.
Next... he's going to cure cancer bring about world peace and make it so that toast falls butter side up when you drop it.
Awesome.
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How about: "As the person responsible for the budget, I put my signature on a request for funding to start developing the internet."
Do you want your serach queries to be on (inter)national television? Think not. Small step to adding ip-addresses to it:
"The people in L.A. are searching for Banananas, whereas people in Amsterdam are searching for Strawberries. Detailed street statistics follow."
The "funny" thing is that Bush has shown himself to be a serial liar, from Iraq to the real reason they want to "save" social security (and I can mention many more examples if anyone needs any help). Also ironic that under Bush's "leadership" the government will cut the funding of DARPA research which Gore as a younger politician played an important part to get started. Should make some of those nerds who laughed at the cheerleaders internet jokes think again.
--- guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people ---
That anyone moderated this as "insightful" is an endictment of the moderating on Slashdot. It's pure flamebait....is this entire thread is. Guess the advice from the Slashdot folks not to impose your own political views when moderating falls on deaf ears.
Only boring people are ever bored.
In other words, rather than "I invented the internet" he meant to say "I gave people your money and they invented the internet." I guess that makes sense.
Uhu, congratulations, you have just mixed together a lot of history in a few sentences. The Israel and Palestine conflict is much more complex and nobody can reduce it to "Terrorists killing Jews", a lot of innocent people on both sides are dying and all of them have the right to live on that soil.
The "Arab Nations"-Israel conflict is also very complicated and when it began, it had nothing to do with terrorism.
Every Al Quada expert they asked told the commision that there couldn't be a link between Al Quada and the Saddam because they had only one thing in common: the USA were their enemy. But Saddam had nothing to do with religion. He has used religion to manipulate his people (even leaders in democratic countries still do that) and he prosecuted religious groups in iraq, because he didn't want them to get influence.
After 9/11 the US government needed a real target and therefore they designed the 9/11 connection of Iraq.
BTW, what exactley has that to do with Internet TV?
Mudvayne IS pretty cool and exciting and original. Not that that lends any credibility to MTV or TRL or the public's general tastes in music, of course.
-Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music.
Jeeze you people -- read the friggen' release notes.
In Humor 1.0, you got a surprise that tweaked your way of looking at things.
In version 2.0 you get something which reaffirms your existing world view, while not-so-subtly pandering to your pathetic desire to feel superior.
The word is that marketing was concerned that not enough people were getting the version 1, so the product manager borrowed the team responsible for the popular "blandish" feature of the Bamboozle project. Of course fans of the old Humor are unhappy and refusing to upgrade, but that's been more than offset by the throngs of new users who just couldn't manage version 1.
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Maybe it wasn't the Internet, the international network of privately owned network nodes and independant administration?
Transmission Control Protocoal does not define the Internet. The ownership, management and organization defines the internet.
TCP/IP alone is not enough to claim they were the same thing, any more than saying all operating systems are the same if they support POSIX.
There is nothing so silly as other peoples traditions, and nothing so sacred as our own.
When somebody comes up with a better counter strategy to repeat-the-lie-until-everybody-believes-its-true, then I'll be completely with you.
p le-scream-for-mercy -when-you-bring-them-up strategy.
Until then, I'll stick with the pointing-out-your-shameless-lies-until-normal-peo
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And except for a few jokes made at his expense that would of been it, if he had corrected what he meant.
However what he did after that was send people speaking for his campaign to show such as charlie rose, etc, and say he meant that he was talking about the commercialization of the internet and that was what he had helped was talking about initiating. That also failed so they then tried the same thing with putting the government on the internet, that was also a failure. All the while inidcating he had taken a active role in what was done.
When thoses did not catch on, so they went with the current thinking they are selling today. It is an interesting idea that with the current blog situation, you would of seen the liberal blogs take it as truth that he had initiated the commercialzation of the internet. So if they had been around would that be still be the current selling point?
After losing the presidential election, he has moved into newer pastures to make a killing. :)
good luck with your new enterprise Mr Gore. And make sure it has support for linux. heh heh
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The problem with much of the links and material presented is that they attempt to excuse Mr. Gore's incorrect claim that he invented the internet by giving him great praise for helping the Internet after it was created. This is what Mr. Cerf is doing.
IMHO, he deserves this praise. Also, IMHO. the false "creation" claim is not anything like an intentional lie by Gore, nor is it anything like a symptom of a pathological problem where Gore liked to claim things he didn't really do. Gore himself admitted that he misspoke when he made this controversial statement.
There is plenty of wrong on both sides: the Right is wrong to claim this as an example of Gore's dishonesty. The Left is wrong to call Gore a liar in a way: whenever they claim that Gore really created the Internet, they are calling Gore's claim that it was a mis-statement a lie.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Wrong here too. Al Gore did a lot more than throw money at it.
At first, there were several independant networks, like ARPANET, BITNET and some others. Each was an independant research project owned and run by various misex is governemtn and educational institutions. Al Gore brought these together to a unified network working under unified organizational control. That's big , and its not about money.
Second, the resulting netowrk was still mostly government owned and managed. Al Gore got the network ownership moved out of government hands an into independant management in the private sector. This is also a big move, and it is not about money.
There was certainly money involved in merging and expanding the network. But if you choose to ignore the rest of the value that Gore added, then you are only fooling yourself. You can argue all day about the meaning of the word "Create", but in the end the value that Gore added to the Internet comes very close to whatever definition of "Create" you finally settle on. So stop being pedantic about vocabulary and give him the credit he deserves.
There is nothing so silly as other peoples traditions, and nothing so sacred as our own.
These two are Air America's only chance at success: put them and others like them at the front. They are experienced radio personalities who happen to be liberal. Others in this thread said to save Air America by bringing in Chomsky and Carville. This would only compound the mistake of relying on non-radio people.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
I think this might be fine only if the public contributions were voluntary. A checkoff on the tax form, like some states have done. No one should be forced to give money to candidates that go against their interest. This still does not take care of the other problem with it: it increases government control of the campaigns.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
In a couple of decades he'll be telling us he invented the steam engine!
Claim #1 (Love Canal) - lie. Thoroughly debunked. Gave the claim to a schoolgirl in Tennessee.
Claim #2 (Love Story) - lie. Thoroughly debunked. Al & Tommy Lee Jones were inspirations for the male character, but Al never made that claim - it came from a screwed-up quote from the author himself, who vaily tried to correct it. No luck with buffoons like you.
If anyone's to blame (besides Bush himself) for Bush's screwups, it's people like you who, five years later, are still spreading COMPLETE LIES.
"It was me against the world, I was sure that I'd win.... but the world fought back, punished me for my sins" - Social D
The problem is not that it is misquoted. It is accurately quoted and paraphrased. However, it is that it is a misstatement, and Gore admitted that it was.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
I don't find this one to be problematic, since, even if Mr. Gore had made this claim, it would have still been true.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Since he's no longer a political figure, and his former voters' dreams of creating a socialist utopia are smashed on the altar of Bush's equally practical dreams of creating a great empire, I'm really surprised how many people are still rushing to his defense whenever anyone pokes fun at him.
Dan Quayle doesn't have that luxury.
The other guy stumbles when he tries to ennuciate a multi-syllable word like InterNet.
The audience will learn to appreciate Springer's serious side. Naked lesbian dwarves spitting at each other just does not fly on radio.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
"Current will also air segments every half hour showing TV viewers what Google searchers are tapping into at that moment -- everything from current events to tourist destinations."
Wow, that sounds almost as interesting as watching paint dry.
While you are busy knocking every bit of talk radio would you mind mentioning the fact that in the last three years NPR and regional affiliates have developed a left leaning slant that makes CNN look like Pat Buchaneon.
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I have been called Liberal, Conservative, Too Christian so far in theis subthread. I am just missing the God hater label :)
Iduno. I'll call you a belligerent jackass. Does that make you feel better?
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
Wrong here too. Al Gore did a lot more than throw money at it.
Why did you reply to my post twice? Lame.
I don't understand why you and people like you are treating this like a religious issue. The fervency of the rebuttals approaches fanaticism. Again, why did you reply to my post twice? Of all the accomplishments of Al Gore, why are you fixated on this one tiny mispeak of his? Why do you act as if disputations of his claim are sacrilege?
ARPANET was the internet. Period. Much of the core infrastructure of todays internet was in ARPANET. That was the seed from which the internet directly grew. The internet *evolved*, grew and coalesced, it was never created. I know someone who happens to have an internet account that has been continuously active since its creation on ARPANET.
Algore certainly promoted the internet. I believe he was the one who came up with the ultralame "Information Superhighway". Heck, he may even have been the first person to capitalize "The Internet". But he didn't take the initiative in creating it. Your sacred hero exaggerated his importance in a television interview. He's a politician and that's what politicians do. So get over it.
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
It is sort of amusing. Let's look at what happened:
1. In the heat of an unrehearsed interview, Gore likely meant to speak proudly of his "early adopter" Internet-related initiatives. However, what came out was a historically incorrect claim that he actually created the thing instead of just helped it along.
2. Later Gore says that the "creation" statement was a mistake, and he did not really mean to say that.
By insisting that the statement in #1 was really true, these "fanatics" are calling Gore a liar on #2.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Mr. Gore did a lot of great things for the 'Net. He deserves plenty of laud 'n' kudos for doing what he really did. We don't have to add to his resume something he actually did not do (and even said he did not do: Gore said that his create statement was a mistake.)
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Aww, you figured it out!
Or...did you?!
Muaha-ha-ha!
i'd hit it so hard, if you pulled me out you'd be the king of britain [bash.org]
Those are intranets. There is only one Internet.
Thanks for coming at it from a purely partisan "my party is good, the other party is evil" point of view.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
What do they have to do with his statement? Nothing. When I first heard about the controversy, I went to the CNN web site and found Gore's own statement... one in which "invent" is an accurate paraphrase. Don't blame the Republicans for Gore's misstatement.
"The vision that Gore articulated during his congressional service was of an Internet that did not yet exist"
The same is true of Spamford Wallace's dream of an internet full of spam. Did Spamford end up inventing the Internet too?
"Actually, it is. They are the ones who coined the phrase "invented the internet""
It is an accurate paraphrase, and the words mean the exact same thing in the context Gore used them. You are splitting hairs that are too thin for splitting, and again, the Republicans had nothing to do with this. (just as the Democrats did not force GWB to make his "wings take dream" speech)
"Why are you wasting your time discussing it here? Write to Cerf and Kahn and tell them how wrong they are"
I've read Cerf's statements. They are correct. They thank Gore for helping expand the Internet. Cerf does not anywhere claim that Gore had anything to do with creating it. If Cerf did this, he would be misspeaking as well.
"Politicians take credit for their legislative creations all the time, without having words like "invent" misattributed to them"
If you apply "invent" to the creation of a singular technological entity, it is not a misattribution. The Internet is just such an entity that the word "invent" perfectly applies to the creation of it.
Gore misspoke. He said so later.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Funny, to me it looks like he provided a lot of relevent background that shows reasons why Gore's claim might be considered reasonable. Most of us call that reason, not fanaticism.
The point is that what you call the beginning of "The Internet" is a matter of semantics. Gore split hairs to make himself look good. You apparently want to split hairs to make him look foolish. Personally, I wouldn't agree with Gore's statement, but most of the discussion about it that has followed has been nonsense distortions. I'm glad people jump on the "Al Gore invented the internet" thing because there's no point in spreading that distortion or arguing over a claim that was never made.
"You call it a new way of thinking; I call it regression to ignorance!" -- Operation Ivy
...no matter how many times an urban legend has been put to rest.
The urban legend is about him saying he *invented* the internet. That's clearly untrue, and I never repeated this anywhere. However, he DID say he took the *initiative* *in* *creating* the internet. Even the famous Algore apologist, Barbara Mikkelson, affirms that he made this statement.
The problem seems to be over the definition of "internet." Those who want Algore to be the father will define it in such a way that he becomes the father. There are those of us, however, who distinctly remember using something remarkably similar to the internet before Gore "took initiative."
p.s. I call you guys "religous" because of the religious style indignation you exhibit over this possibility that he isn't infallible.
p.p.s. What what the fck are you doing bringing in Ruby Ridge? Let's just hijack the whole thread why don't we? Let's just make it a left versus right issue and damn the facts to hell! "Oo oo he doesn't like algore therefore he must be a rightwing nutbag because only rightwing nutbags don't like algore so let me drop in a reference to ruby ridge and that will show him who has the biggest yarbles yeah!"
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
Most of us call that reason, not fanaticism.
I didn't call the response unreasonable or fanatic. Only "fervent".
If this were the only discussion I ever had on the subject, I wouldn't have a problem. But when these exact same arguments come up, over and over again, at exactly the same tempo, like they're all reading from the same Mikkelson script, then it begins to sound like a religious litany.
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
An acorn germinates, grows into a sapling, and a few years later Al Gore comes along and waters it. Years later still it becomes a mighty oak and Al Gore proudly proclaims that he "took the initiative in planting the oak tree".
Is he telling the truth? While he certainly did water the tree and dump MiracleGro(tm) on it, it is untrue that he "planted" the tree. He wasn't there at the beginning.
This is the core of the issue, and it has NOTHING to do with whether I like Al Gore or not. Was it the creating (planting) or the fostering (watering) that Al Gore took the initiative in?
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
Al Gore: 1 semantic slipup
It's a hell of a lot more than that. You guys just fixate on that one in the hopes that all the others will be forgotten. What other slipups? See, you've forgotten already!
Here's one other. Right at the very beginning of his VPship he said he was going to do a study of government waste and get right back to us. And get back to us he did. Most of you aren't old enough to remember, so run upstairs to the kitchen and ask your parents. In Al Gore's half hour government waste primetime television special I held up two bottles of floor polish. One was expensive and used by the government, and the other was inexpensive and a common consumer brand item (Mop-n-Glo, IIRC).
Here was his slipup: He claimed the two items were equivalent. Bullshit! The polish you mom uses on her cheap kitchen vinyl is *NOT* equivalent to industrial grade floor polish. It's a different chemical compound. One barely manages to keep a shine with just one small family and a schnauzer. The other manages to keep a shine with hundreds of people traipsing across it all day long.
He should have bought a commercial polish at a commercial janitorial supply company, and compared the price of that to the polish the government used. That would have been an equivalent comparison. But instead he went for the cheap visual and used a common household brand. He blew his credibility for me in his first month.
Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
What is more, at one point the USA and Saddam were (politically) best friends, and Bush and Bin Laden stem from circles with close business relationships. It's easy to make things appear black-and-white on TV (even on color TV) but the real situation is a little more complicated.
What these people have in common is that they are/were fueled by oil wealth.
Exactly, and in the context Gore used, invent and create mean the same thing, even if they would not mean the same thing in another context.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
Rather: Gore said he did invent the internet.
"The lie lives on, considering the title of TFA."
Gore's statement about inventing the Internet is now a matter of public record. It cannot be erased. Live with it. Get over it. It does not make me think less of him, why should it?
"Armey and lots of others that politically opposed him *lied* and misquoted him" I have yet to see one of Armey's quotes or analize it. What Armey said or did not say does not change the fact that Gore made a misstatement about Internet history.
"People in the know said that Gore deserves credit for being there for them before anyone else"
People in the know know that before Gore was there, there were others who had created the Internet before Gore was even elected to Congress.
"Not coincidentally, Gore's statement is accurate"
How is it in any way accurate? The Internet started in 1969. It had the name Internet by 1974. Gore was elected in 1976. Given the irrefutable facts of history, it was not accurate of Gore to claim he took the iniative in creating it while in Congress.
"...Armey-et-al lie...."
You are rather off topic.
"You say Gore 'admitted that he misspoke'. To anyone smarter than a houseplant or GWB, that means not a *lie* but that admitting that there was a better way to describe things."
Lie? I have not used that claim in this argument. Repeatedly, I have referred to it as a mistatement, a mistake. Not something he intended to say. Maybe ARMEY said it, but who cares. The whole mention of Armey is a straw-man argument.
The tally is:
The right? Does not really matter in this. The Right did not make in incorrect claim of creating the internet. However, for the Right to call the incorrect claim a LIE is very likely unfair.
The left? Gore slipped up, and admitted his mistake. Gore comes out looking clean. Yet, there are blind apologists on his side that think it serves Gore to twist history and words beyong meaning to try and make out like a bad statement is really true. You blind apologists are calling Gore a liar by insisting that the bad statement is true even though Gore said it was not.
"If that seems harsh, I hear Dubya's got a habit..."
Ah. I see where you are coming from. By using a common insult for Bush, you betray that you are not interested in facts: you just want to spin things to favor your party. That is all. Your arguments lose credibility like those of right-wingers who call Clinton "Slickwilly". Well, you can always go back to babbling about Dick Armey.
Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
If you're a hardcore lefty, what are you going to listen to?
Pacifica network perhaps?
"Democracy Now?"
They've been on the air "for over 50 yrs.".
They regularly have Zinn and Chomsky on, as well as a host of other real left vs the
latte left-I wear a slogan t-shirt to visually name drop to co-opt legitimacy in the absence of holding real values and beliefs themselves people.