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Google Web Accelerator
Lukey Boy writes "Google has released a free web accelerator product for both Firefox and Internet Explorer. According to their information page the software uses Google servers as a proxy for web content, delivering the pages to your system more rapidly and compressing them beforehand."
I'm using it now and couldn't be happier! It's already saved me over 10 seconds, and there's no catch!
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Resistance is fut... er... Try Google, we're not evil!
Cute...
First, they collect your search information. Next they collected your email. Now they collect your destination. You put it all together, that is quite a bit of information.
What is next?
Very Smart..Very Scary...
Tinfoil, Post!
It could be worse, it could be Monday.
When is google going to learn that aggregation is not the way of the future? They will eventually become so large their shareholders will be able to turn them into a giant evil machine, much lik current companies.
But how does it know how many minutes you save?
Could this solve the slashdot effect problem, if we're all running it? Are ads associated with it?
Considering this looks like a way for google to simply track every site i visit.. i sure hope they really aren't.. "evil".. :-/
MABASPLOOM!
will they provide you with your web surfing trend stats?
I am a republican not by choice, but rather by lack there of.
Webaccelerator's page is slashdotted...
Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity
is this really able to speed stuff up if you have broadband? not sure if i really belive them.
More information about GWA is posted here: http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/050504-1453 07
Also, browsers other than Firefox and Mozilla can take advantage of GWA if you set them to proxy requests over Localhost:9100 while GWA is running in the system tray. It should also be pointed out that this is apparently geared towards broadband users.
I've RTF(ine)A and I give... what makes this different/better/faster/whatever than a proxy server?
And, while I'm at it.... I submit my vote that Google make linux/*nix versions of their stuff more quickly/readily. I find it no small irony that a company that relies on over 10,000 linux servers (actually I think the number may exceed 40,000) essentially making them one of the largest benficiaries of the OSS community they don't yet have a Google Desktop, nor are offering a beta of this accelerator for the linux community.
Don't get me wrong, I like Google, think they've done great stuff, but come on -- how about paying back a little to the hand that giveth.
This is great news for dialup users that are being charged for this service through their own ISP.
...a proxy which just compressed stuff on the server and then decompresses it on the client?
Oh... yes.
Google Web Accelerator uses various strategies to make your web pages load faster, including:
* Sending your page requests through Google machines dedicated to handling Google Web Accelerator traffic.
* Storing copies of frequently looked at pages to make them quickly accessible.
* Downloading only the updates if a web page has changed slightly since you last viewed it.
* Prefetching certain pages onto your computer in advance.
* Managing your Internet connection to reduce delays.
* Compressing data before sending it to your computer.
Holy Cow! Google got slashdotted!
My little site.
Next they modify the data you receive to influence your opinion.
Now I can get this message: " Nothing for you to see here. Please move along." - way faster! Thank you Google!
You can't handle the truth.
To learn more, read our Google Web Accelerator Privacy Policy (http://webaccelerator.google.com/privacy).
Does anyone know if the accelerator gives you the option to omit certain webpages from your accelerating experience, or is this going to turn into a huge information mine? (Not that the two are exclusive, there are going to be users who just blindly send anything through the accelerator regardless).
Denver Isuzu Suzuki
... Google will log every URL you visit via their proxy logs. They'll ultimately forward on the requested page with their own AdWords and possibly mask other sites' adverts. Not sure if I like that ..
Alison
"It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education." - Albert Einstein
Do they provide also an anonymizer service with this accelerator/proxy??
what are they going to do with it?
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Not that I'm anti-google. But it's amazing all the things they've gotten themselves into. Now they're apparently going to cache (pieces of) the internet for us.
Though this might finally be a usefull tool to get around the
How far does Jon von Tetzchner have to frick'n swim before Google starts supporting Opera?
What's next? Hopefully a calender. I'd love a free online replacement for Outlook.
First off, it's called a "calendar". Secondly, there already is a kick-ass free online calendar.
I don't respond to AC's.
Yeah, I like the part where they say they wont give your information to thrid parties. No mention of what they might do with the data themselves though. I do like the idea of an accelerator for fast internet connections. Would definately get points from me for comedy value if I could get the conspiracy theories out of my head
Well the FAQ says the exact opposite:
3. Can I use Google Web Accelerator with a dial-up connection?
Dial-up users may not see much improvement, as Google Web Accelerator is currently optimized to speed up web page loading for broadband connections.
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We already have compression of HTTP content, it's just that some idiots don't enable it on their servers.
The magic words are: apt-get install libapache-mod-gzip
Belief is the currency of delusion.
The larger your proxy is, the more probabilities you have of finding that page that you are looking for in the proxy's cache.
Google has a tremendous amount of cached pages and images.
That's where the real gain comes from.
Plus, the trad proxys that I know do not compress. I don't know how relevant this is because for the most part, web pages' heavy stuff is not text but images that are already compressed. Still, this will save you some time.
Then keep in mind that the google servers are probably faster than other servers and more resistant to slashdot-and-the-likes web tsunamis.
Bleh. I use the Yahoo calendar at work. It's OK. But I want a GoOOogle calendar. Because I want to keep my contacts, search results, etc., in one place. And I really dislike Yahoo mail, at least the free version.
Google offering to proxy the web for everyone cannot make sense unless they're planning to make a lot of money from your personal browsing records. In all honesty, and without wanting to sound like a troll, I think "Don't be evil" just died.
Yes, Google's scanning your email, but they aren't reading it...
1. Is Google reading my email?
No. Google scans the text of Gmail messages in order to filter spam and detect viruses, just as all major webmail services do. Google also uses this scanning technology to deliver targeted text ads and other related information. This is completely automated and involves no humans.
I know what you're thinking. Did I forward 65,535 packets or 65,536 packets?
Incidentally, seperating code from view from data is probably the most effective way of cutting bandwidth. A report you look at 20 times a day, with different data, will download the file 20 times. The 'view' layer doesn't need to be downloaded again .. just the data!
This is why CSS is a good thing. You're not downloading the look & feel of the site every time you make a non-cached request. Getting the data out of their too would go a long way towards cutting down on the amount of useless bits browsers have to download over and over again.
"Old man yells at systemd"
First, they collect your search information. Next they collected your email. Now they collect your destination. You put it all together, that is quite a bit of information.
Add to that your Usenet posts, where you're going or where you live, what you're buying, what kind of news you're interested in, and maybe even who your friends are.
But all that's only true if you give them the information. Even so, the quantity that Google could know about me just given all the Google stuff I've used from one single IP address is rather alarming.
But I don't mind. This is partly because I don't think they're jerks (as far as public corporations go, anyway), but mostly still because I don't think they really care.
If we had a lot of evidence they did care, then I suspect that there would immediately exist a movement for 'free', anonymous versions of whatever services Google currently provides.
I think that a word of caution is needed here. Now Google, in it's current state, seems to defy the "laws of business." I for one hope that it remains an honest company that continues producing software that is innovative and desired. People trust Google way more than any other company in recent memory. Google has access now, through their software, to every file, search, website you visit, password, personal detail, and photo you have (assuming you use all their software).
Am I the only one a little shocked at this? What's to stop another company from swooping in and buying Google with all your assorted information? Or, to stop Google itself from using this information in a way that most people wouldn't want them to?
Obligatory Murphy's Law derivative quote: "If everything seems to be going well, you have obviously overlooked something."
A Fatal OE Exception has occurred, Sig will now reboot.
> In order to speed up delivery of content, Google Web Accelerator may retrieve webpage content that you did not request
Kinda scary if you're one or two links away from illegal content. Is this an issue, say, if you end up with bad material cached on your machine, or is it just inherently obvious that if you're concerned about these sorts of things, you dont use it?
"Old man yells at systemd"
"Don't worry. Their motto is 'do no evil', so we can trust them!", say the geek masses.
Dow Chemical's motto is "Living. Improved Daily". Unless you're one of 15,000-30,000 people in Bhopal, India, of course.
Ford's motto is "Ford: Quality is #1". Well, except for the Ford Pinto (or its modern equivalent, the Ford Crown Victoria, which is burning police to death left+right). Or Ford Explorers, where management ignored engineering reports saying the roof pillars were substantially weaker. Or ignition switches in millions of Ford vehicles which would catch fire- even if you weren't using the car? Then there's the Ford Focus, which I think is close to setting the world record on factory recalls...
Then there's GE- "we bring good things to life". Well, I don't think the people who have been harmed by dioxin poisoning would agree with you there. But hey, GE will sell you a nice water filtration system (seriously- go into Home Depot, GE is the featured brand. Note how it brags about removing industrial toxins?)
Microsoft says "enabling people and businesses to realize their full potential", something I think we can all give a good chortle about, considering how grossly unreliable virtually every Windows release has been, how incompatible their software is one year to the next, piss-poor interoperability, anticompetitive practices, licensing costs, spyware, viruses, etc.
Need I go on to prove that corporate PR lines are just that- nothing more than PR lines? Or should I mention that Google AdSense terms prohibited AdSense customers from discussing, in public or private, their experience/satisfaction with AdSense? Hmm. Now, why would a "do no evil" corporation do something like that?
Please help metamoderate.
"But I don't mind. This is partly because I don't think they're jerks (as far as public corporations go, anyway), but mostly still because I don't think they really care.
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I apologize, but I think that you are being naive.
Perhaps they are not 'jerks' but they do care. Every thing that they log is information. Knowledge is Power.
Just my thoughts.
It could be worse, it could be Monday.
Read the info page. You just have to point your proxy settings to localhost:9100.
Trolling is a art,
Google's innovation may seem to be making life easier for a few of us right now. We use their products even though we know that certain level of our surfing habits are monitored by Google and this is because they have so far done no apparent evil and we want to trust them. However, just imagine in the future, given that Google is public and if there's a shareholder coup or certain group of large shareholders would like to cash out, making Google susceptible to a takeover by another search engine, say Yahoo or worse, Microsoft. What then? There'll be no turning back for any of us then. There should be a policy that if a takeover happens, all past data that Google collected should be destroyed and the whole process should be made transparent.
Also, browsers other than Firefox and Mozilla can take advantage of GWA if you set them to proxy requests over Localhost:9100 while GWA is running in the system tray.
So basically, if anybody else is logged into the same system as you at the same time, they can figure out whether or not you have visited any given page by connecting to your GWA installation and seeing whether or not the page downloads faster than your Internet connection speed.
Google Web Accelerator is meant to speedup broadband browsing by prefetching.
There is another accelerator that does http gzip compression with jpeg/gif resizing and recompression; perfectly suited for metered gprs/umts or dialup modems.
http://rabbit-proxy.sourceforge.net/
I still find it strange that people will panic about a company that collects some personal information yet they'll cope with the fact that there's a god, somewhere, knowing all...
I don't know if there is a god (I prefer to believe in the provable) but the fact that I can cope with a possible god knowing everything about me doesn't mean I like it. Theres not a hell of a lot we can do about a possible god, google on the other hand...
- More aggressive preloading of top search results (made possible because Google is providing the bandwidth, so they're not wasting other people's bandwidth), makes Google search results more responsive => people rely on Google more
- In the future, improved google ad relevancy by serving you ads related to your browsing habits (Sign me up! maybe I'd actually get ads that are useful to me instead of the normal crap ones. You can always turn it off when you want privacy, so stop frothing at the mouth already.)
Of course, people are going to be crying "spyware"! But this is different from most spyware. Firstly, it doesn't clog up your Windows installation and slow down or crash your computer; in fact it speeds up your browsing. Secondly, you can turn it off, or uninstall it if you want. Thirdly, you only get it if you explicitly download it. Fourthly, it might actually improve Google's relevancy for search results and ads, which would benefit me directly. And finally, so many people are watching Google right now that the instant they do something evil, everybody on the globe will know about it. If that happens, it's trivial to switch to a competitor. And that's exactly why they *won't* be doing anything evil.main(c,r){for(r=32;r;) printf(++c>31?c=!r--,"\n":c<r?" ":~c&r?" `":" #");}
Effectively, if it's a proxy, couldn't it be used to anonymously access the web?
Not that google doesn't keep logs to let law enforcement see who you are, but in theory, the logs of the sites visited would see google unless they explicitly told them you're ip correct?
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
...and everything to do with decreasing loads/speeding up Google sites. After using it for several minutes, I noticed that any froogle/googlegroups/google search I do has marked time savings- more than any other sites I found (except CNN front page, which is also much faster and well suited for this kind of thing...)
Basically, running the web accelerator allows google to have compressed copies of all their pre-generated search pages and use the proprietary webaccelerator internals to give them a strategic advantage over web publishers/services/searches- Imagine the benefits this could have on their internal server load if adopted by 90% of web suers...
In typical Google fashion, a very clever move!
Not only that, you can't run it on Linux. I can't see why the Firefox version couldn't be a normal XPI instead of a Windows executable.
I installed it. Seemed OK until I tried to check WindowsUpdate. Browser stopped cold until I turned it off.
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I can't really see what google (or anyone for that matter) can really do to accelerate web content on broadband connections. As I've said elsewhere, it sounds like they are running a caching server for you. I would guess you could get very near the same effect without the privacy problems with something like squid or Allegrosurf.
The only thing they might do is some compression, but this assumes a number of things to make your connection faster:
1) the content isn't already compressed. Lots of sites already gzip html etc...
2)The google servers have a faster connection to the server than you do (they might have a faster general net connection, but the effective speed changes by the minute due to server load, net congestion etc...)
3) Your connection to the google servers is faster than your connection to the destination server. This is likely true right now, will it be with massively more load - IDK.
4) Your computer can decompress content and run the google background process faster than it can recieve textual information over a pretty fast line. This might be true, it depends on your PC, and it's load.
The only thing I haven't talked about is whether google is going to compress images. Personally I think it'd be kind of stupid becasue:
1) they'd have to do it lossy, and so now pics look like crap.
2) broadband is rather fast for most web pics now adays. Broadband is just tending to get faster. It doesn't really have the limitations dial-up does that make this attractive in any way.
There is no good reason to sign up for this. Unless you like feeding more info about yourself to a big company, or can't manage to get effective caching through cheap or OSS software on your PC.
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This could be used to provide a better Page Rank. Instead of determining worth based on links that exist, they will determine it based on links that are used.
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Unless you use MSIE, whose handling of the cache is terrible. If you have an URL www.example.com/style.css MSIE will cache it. However, if the URL is something like foo.example.com/style.css, it will not cache it, thus actually increasing the bandwidth. The same happens for .js, .html, .png, .jpg, .pdf and any other file extension.
To prevent this, the webmaster will find out only after quite a lot of web search efforts how to tweak the headers that Apache sends such that MSIE actually caches the data.
Avantslash: low-bandwidth mobile slashdot.
Exactly. Now they can find pages that are rarely linked, yet may be valuable. I wonder if this also might allow them to search the 'deep web'. Imagine a user with this browsing an online chemistry database where the only way to find info is by filling out some text fields on a website. Now Google will be able to find this deep websites by having users due all the grunt work.
Also, they might use info about popular pages and browsing habits to improve search results (like I'm sure they are doing now with the Search History feature).
Andrew
PS: As soon as I saw this on GoogleBlog I realized the 'privacy' freaks were going to flip. If you don't like it, don't use it.
But what I also trust is that they will open their doors and computers very wide to the first FBI agent with a supboena, especially with the full weight of The Patriot Act.
Judges are handing wiretapping orders out like confetti, so you need to consider that any information held by any company belongs to the government at any time. All your base belong to us. And what's even scarier is that no-one is allowed to talk about it - all requests for info come with gag orders.
I'd be willing to bet that Google have already been approached for information.
What i'd like to know is what sort of data mining expertise the FBI is gathering in preparation for getting their hands on all googles files.
most likely because they want to maximize the value of adsense. If everyone were all talking about how much money they were making on AdSense people would start propping up pages to target the most lucrative ads (they do already). The value of those ads would then go down. As it is it's all a big mystery and so people for the most part don't consider AdSense when deciding what content to put on-line.
The other problem with talking about AdSense performance is that your success or failure a) can't be proven and b) could influence other's decisions to or not to market using Adsense. How well or not someone else's site is doing with AdSense has exactly zero to do with how well it will do on your site but people think it does anyway.
If Google took away the gag you'd have thousands of people bitching about how little their site is making and it would make Google look bad even though it has nothing to do with them. Sorry but your crappy little Geocities site isn't going to generate enough traffic to allow you to quit your day job. You'd also have people going on and on about how much they're making which would cause people to have unrealistic expectations.
Google wants entire control of the PR side of AdSense which is reasonable. It's how they pay the bills and make investors happy.
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Not just because of technical reasons (it might reduce the latency but it incurs more traffic and load on the machine and the Internet), but I am starting to feel uncomfortable of how aggressive Google has been trying to be. "Do no evil"? I hear the similar thing when Larry started to give away Bitkeeper to Open Source developers. Not that I say Larry is evil, but a company is a company. I cannot trust them without limits.
Msr. Francois in France browses a Nazi site and Google happily provides the content to him via the handy web accelerator. Can the French go after Google now? (as if they're not already).
Chinese government demands that Google strip out offensive content and replace any references to Li Hongzhi with "<insert insult here>". Will Google comply? Has such a demand been made before ?
Plus, what about copyrights and such? Will Google be held liable for pushing out outdated pages? How will the servers (from where Google is grabbing pages) get their statistics? And since Google will be sort-of screen-scraping, why does Google object to it themselves?
Just some questions that come to mind.
I installed it, and now (I assume due to the way the program works), my HOSTS file no longer blocks the domains I listed. I have a LOT of domains for ads, and I almost never see any advertisements. But now, the HOSTS file is useless. Just a heads-up for anyone that has an active HOSTS file on their computer.
Thank goodness. One of my biggest computer problems is the slowness of web pages loading. I remember back when I had a modem, and pages loaded like lightning because the Internets were not very crowded yet. Now that everyone and their brother has the broadbands on their machines, it's too crowded. I hate waiting in line. Hooray for google!
You are being MICROattacked, from various angles, in a SOFT manner.
Regarding 2:
Remember that they are already retrieving a huge amount of the web on a regular basis for their search engine. They may well have a "faster connection to the web server", since they might have already retrieved a copy of the resource beforehand. Also remember that, assuming it's not dynamic content, they can serve copies of the resource to hundreds of thousands of people without having to download it themselves.
Basically, it boils down to whether they can serve the content faster than the origin server, and do so often enough to outweigh the cache misses. Given that plenty of origin servers are underpowered/underconnected and that they already have a decent infrastructure around the globe, this isn't hard to believe.
Also, they can use heuristics in the client software to decide whether or not to hit the Google servers or go direct to the origin. In the case of going direct to the origin, there is no slowdown at all.
As far decompression being slower than the network connection, that won't be a problem unless you have something like a 286 on a broadband connection.
Works with Wine:
:)
1) Install on a Windows box
2) Copy Program Files\Google\Web Accelerator files to linux box
3) "wine GoogleWebAccWarder.exe &"
4) Set your browser proxy to "localhost" port 9100
5) Surf with speed
If it fails, check your windows\temp directory for the google logs...
Note - this comment posted with Google Web Accelerator.
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I'm living in Japan and on occasion will find that some sites will not allow me access due to my location. For example, movielink.com states that you must be present in the United States to use the site.
I just installed the web accelerator and had no trouble accessing the movielink site. Awesome!
Of course, they'll probably set up their own servers here in Japan at some point, but until then, I can surf with impunity.
I really wish I had had this when Napster offered that free iRiver H10. I couldn't sign up because of my location. I was mighty mighty upset that I couldn't get a free mp3 player.
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. - Victor Hugo
"right , they all say that"
Yup...and they all got found out. So you can bether ass that if google did, we'll find out too. And then google and it's adwords/sense is history.
But why would google commit suicide like that? I'm betting they won't, you're saying they are and have. I say show me proof, or pipe down. And if nothing fishy has been detected within, oh, say two weeks?, I'm gonna keep on assuming Google's OK and that you're wrong.
-- Waht? Tehr's a preveiw buottn?
There's one thing we must consider. Let's give them full benefit of the doubt now. They are aggregating this information for the most non-evil purposes that exist. The problem is, what if the Google culture changes five or ten years from now. What if somehow the founders are forced out and the Google is run by people with nefarious intentions. Worse, what if Google corp. falls on hard times, gets desperate, and sees selling information as a quick fix when they are in a pickle. That would be my big worry.
My other computer is a Jacquard loom.
Right now I'm posting from IE and trying to figure out what it screwed up.
. jpg bookmarks, the address bar, and my personal toolbar links are gone.
Firefox wouldn't launch after install. After rebooting I see this http://img115.echo.cx/img115/6282/firefoxhosed5wg
Not exactly what I expect from Google. Although I'm sure its working fine for others I have a plain jane install that gives me no grief. It did work on IE btw, but it totally screwed up Firefox. Uninstalling did NOT fix the problem.
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
You mean Googledot?
".. and there's no catch!"
Unfortunately, the catch is google now knows your surfing habits, and their's no privacy policy.
I visited thehun.org while running dumeter as I wanted to see what a link heavy site would do to the Google Web Accelerator.
I noticed a geo ip advertisement at thehun that normally recognizes I live in Phoenix and offering to introduce me to hookers in Phoenix. Now though, it wants to introduce me to hookers in Mt. View.
So that sucks.
Horde comes with CPanel. Many times professional web hosting companies provice CPanel, which includes Horde, Squirrelmail and Neomail as webmail options by default.
"Google say they will do no evil. Great, and I trust that."
Google's *founders* said that, and you or I may trust them, because they're geeks and they're doing cool stuff. But did google shareholders say that too?
Whatever information Google now has that it is choosing not to use or is using in a benign manner *will* eventually be used to detriment of Google users' privacy if the shareholders decide it's gonna raise their "value".
"Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity." - Marshall McLuhan
DoubleClick? What does 127.0.0.1 know that it didn't know already?
The GWA does three things that save bandwidth:
1) Compress all HTML content passed between Google and client
2) Use local cacheing
3) Send diffs (just what changed) of files that are in the cache but out of date.
I could refresh Slashdot over and over, and the only thing that I would have to download when the page changes is a compressed diff, probably a savings of at least an order of magnitude.
In the situation you describe though there are many computers using one connection. Since GWA interfaces with browsers via a simple HTTP proxy (The IE/Firefox integration is just for the "x seconds saved" display), you should be able to install GWA on one computer and set multiple other computers to use that proxy.
Of course Google might check to see if the machine making the request is on localhost.
and their's no privacy policy
their's no gramur eyethur
I can't really see what google (or anyone for that matter) can really do to accelerate web content on broadband connections. [...] There is no good reason to sign up for this.
The reason you're skeptical is because you don't know as much about the Internet as google does.
When you download a web page on your 6Mbps cable modem, do you think it instanly goes to 6Mbps throughput, transfers the page, and then drops to zero? It doesn't. The efficiency *decreases* as your connection gets faster (which is why google does not claim to speed up slow connections - there's little room for improvement). Here's why:
The TCP stack under your browser starts by establishing a connection (3 way handshake). Then it sends a packet with the HTTP request. Finally after those long round trip times of basically doing nothing, your browser starts receiving HTML. As the HTML comes in, the process repeats for the embedded stuff (images). If you have a fast link (and especially if the server is far away), your link spends a lot of time doing nothing while connections are established and transactions take place.
By routing your connection through google, many efficiencies can be gained. These are listed in, of all places TFA. It's not just caching, either. Prefetching, for example, is a trick where their servers will start requesting and transferring the images within a web page, even before your browser has requested them. Since the HTML already went through google's proxy, they know what your browser is going to request before your browser does.
So instead of just pooh-poohing it because you don't understand the technology, why don't you go download a copy of Ethereal, which will let you see these tricks in action. Then you can offer us a more educated opinion based on empirical fact, instead of a long diatribe amounting to "I don't understand how it works, therefore it sucks".
Many people will use many, if not all, of Googles services. That means one single company can aggregate the data of a persons:
...and now everything about every page they visit, cookies and all, since they are acting as a proxy!
Website visits
Emails
Web Searches
Photos
Hard Disk Drive contents
Hard Disk Drive searches
Just the aggregation of this data on people who use all of their services could make their current income seam like pennies. This is the type of think that governments like a lot, not just large corporations. I know they have a "don't be evil" pholosophy (their words) but shit, even Skynet was nice at one point.
Now try and prove you aren't a terrorist if they say you are...
Come play Moral Decay!
Nice try, but Yahoo! Mail works perfectly through the Google Web Accelerator. Better even.
Isn't there already a web version of Outlook?
Looks like there is. Either from Microsoft, or this outfit which isn't too expensive. $15 for the latter vs untold MILLIONS (of pesos) for the former. But still, it's there if you want it.
Working toward a usable PDA environment in the spirit of Newton OS: Dynapad
Intellectual Property You acknowledge that Google or third parties own all right, title and interest in and to Google Web Accelerator, portions thereof, or software provided through or in conjunction with Google Web Accelerator, including without limitation all Intellectual Property Rights. "Intellectual Property Rights" means any and all rights existing from time to time under patent law, copyright law, trade secret law, trademark law, unfair competition law, and any and all other proprietary rights, and any and all applications, renewals, extensions and restorations thereof, now or hereafter in force and effect worldwide. You agree not to modify, adapt, translate, prepare derivative works from, decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble or otherwise attempt to derive source code from Google Web Accelerator, or to extract significant portions of Google Web Accelerator's files for use in other applications. You also agree to not remove, obscure, or alter Google's or any third party's copyright notice, trademarks, or other proprietary rights notices affixed to or contained within or accessed in conjunction with or through Google Web Accelerator. -- emphasis mine
No privacy policy?
I clicked on the "Pricay Policy" link and saw this:
http://www.google.com/privacy.html
-- Brendan Hills
So, after using Mike's Ad-Blocker for the past year or so, I am kind of used to not seeing any ads on the web when I surf. One of the first thing I noticed right after I began surfing with the web accelerator was that all of those annoying ads were back (or at least most of them, especially the Flash ads - and I hate the flash ads...) So, after a quick experiment, the Google web accelerator is making its exit from my install of Firefox. Nice idea, but with Google acting as your proxy, you get the ads again... Oh, and I'm pretty sure that loading all the ads I'm not used to is actually slowing my web experience.
Everything Google does lately is designed to
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make your life easier!
Yeah, I can confirm this. I followed access logs for apache on my computer as I hovered over links, and google servers made requests to my computer.
It wouldn't necessarily slow things down. Google is the one using its bandwidth (as well as the host), but the user will get a possibly compressed file from a nearby speedy google server. And it's not all bad for the host either because many people getting copies from the google cache reduces bandwidth for the original host.
It's pretty slick.
Anti-Advertisement software gets bypassed and the ads I haven't seen for years are now displayed for my 'enjoyment'.
Thanks, but no thanks. I'm off to uninstall this POS.
This is not a dream, not a dream...we are transmitting from the year 1-9-9-9.
A .pac file is better suited to blocking ads by denying connections in a web browser. It lets you block/allow by URL rather than just hostname (i.e. block http://server.com/ads/ but still allow http://server.com/goodstuff/ through). It's a lot like the Ad-Block extension for Firefox, but not tied specifically to one browser. It works in all modern browsers and many other internet programs (email clients, etc.). See http://www.schooner.com.nyud.net:8090/~loverso/no- ads/ for details. As with Ad-Block, a few regular expressions in a no-ads.pac file will block most ads as well, even with no site-specific filters.
A no-ads.pac file will be slower than a HOSTS file (it uses Javascript inside the browser to process it, rather than being handled by the networking subsystem of the OS). However, any remotely-modern PC should have no problem with the tiny amount of extra processing needed. John LoVerso has claimed that he used to run it on a (sub-200MHz?) P1 and didn't notice any slowdown on that.
I do use my HOSTS file to block servers that I absolutely don't want any connections made to (in my browser, email, IM, or anything else). However, I found the HOSTS file to work very poorly for blocking ads in web pages, compared to these other methods.
So far at least, Google has arguably successfully Done No Evil - they've offered a great search site, extended their great search system to the desktop, embedded it into browsers for convenience, offered webmail with unprecedented storage space and lovely features, and even revitalised the online advertising industry away from obnoxious graphical banners and popups towards relevant, discrete and unobtrusive text ads.
However, against this background of saintly behaviour, the potential for great evil lurks. Take the Google Search cookie not expiring until 2038 - there is no reason whatsoever for this, apart from to make it easy to track your searching habits. Of course, they could just do this by aggregating all queries that hit their servers, but that wouldn't uniquely identify you down to your specific machine, would it?
Take GMail - it's a lovely idea, and a lovely system, but it does mean that (theoretically), Google now has unfettered access to your entire inbox, and all the personal information therein. They also make a big deal of how you "never have to delete anything ever again" - handy for users maybe, but definitely handy if you're interested in data-mining vast volumes of personal information.
Google Desktop Search is a lovely tool (and very handy), but it does have an annoying (and downplayed) habit (IIRC) of by default echoing any local searches you make to Google, so it can return lists of "web" and "desktop" matches. Not such a big deal, unless you're searching your local machine for, oh, I dunno... company credit card details? Passwords? Rarely-used logins? Where you left the downloaded "Hot XXX teen sluts.mpeg"? Etc. Etc. Etc.
Now look at the Google Web Accelerator - not only your searches, but now every single page you visit (and even some you don't - are these differentiated between?) passes through Google's systems. Fair play to them for excluding HTTPS requests, but in all fairness they couldn't ever have got away with caching those as well anyway.
At this point, (assuming you use Google and don't take regular tinfoil-hat precautions like clearing cookies/deleting old mail/never searching your local machine for anything private/etc), Google potentially has access to:
Hmmm.
I have to stress here that I severely doubt there's any kind of deliberate conspiracy going on. For my money this is just a case of a bunch of overenthusiastic geeks with access to a huge database to mine, who are too busy having fun to write privacy policies because "we'd never do anything bad anyway, and people know that".
However, this still doesn't mean that it's a good thing - power corrupts, and Google now has one hell of a lot of power. Even if Larry, Serge et al stay true to their vision, Google's a public company now - it only takes the board to fire L&S and replace them with a marketing puppet and all of a sudden your trust in Google isn't worth shit - they hold all the cards, and they've got your entire life written on them.
In addition, this getting carried away with where they're going, and not listening to user-opinion is exactly the kind of attitude that is most publicly (and damagingly) exhibited by Microsoft. It's a small step from not taking five minutes to assuage people's concerns to not taking five seconds to even consider them. Both attitudes exhibit a certain "I know better than you" arrogance, one which tends to only get worse with time, and the more people start complaining about it, the worse it tends to get.
As I said, I severely doubt Google
Everything in moderation, including moderation itself
They have a question about a design of a system like this in their tech interview questions arsenal.
In the interview I was in the question was framed to address the problem of serving Google content to developing countries and other places with poor network connectivity. I wonder, if the purpose of the web accelerator is to make Google more accessible in those kind of environments than their (graphics-heavy) competitors.
In Soviet Russia, I ruled you
Oh yeah? I just Googled for this very topic and there is absolutly no proof of that sort of thing. Ever. To Anyone. You'd think that if it were true somebody would have blogged about it. So you must just be parinoid.
--MarkusQ