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Xbox 360 & Next-Gen Live Specifications Leaked
Tim Grube writes "Gaming Horizon is reporting that the Xbox Live 360 specifications and console specifications have been leaked. Xbox Live on the next generation is said to have two version, a free one and a subscriber one. The Xbox 360 iself will have a DVD-RW, be Wi-Fi Ready, contain 3 USB ports, and have 512 GDDR3 RAM."
pfft. when have we ever been able to upgrade a console using off-the-shelf stuff?
The specs look impressive, expecially with a custom kernel to take advantage of the hardware. I am just curious what the price point will be. I am going to grab it the day it comes out, mainly because i want to make use of my 45 Inch LCD Tv :)
I wonder low long it will take after lauch for the 1st modchip.
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What are dots per second? I can't tell if they're better or worse than the 700 MNz (meganerdz?) memory.
The sources on this report are actually kind of iffy. The first place I saw the report was on endgaget, and they say that the specs "were posted and then quickly pulled from the TeamXbox forums." The thing that makes them interesting is the proximity to the actual release date, and the reaction once it was posted. But bottom line, it could be entirely fake.
Not yet, but we can always hope for improvements the next time around. Buying a new graphics card and/or a new processor might be cheaper than buying the XBOX3 (the 720?) in a few years.
Also cool is the support for music from mobile players. I have a Dell Pocket DJ with the Napster2Go service. This will allow me to carry my 'library' of over a million songs over to the Xbox.
I really can't see that they missed anything with this. Perhaps they will overprice is, but I'm looking for a 299 price point.
Yeah, GDDR3 is expensive. Take a look at the price of the 512M 6800U graphics cards, over 800 bucks.
Wouldn't that kinda defeat the whole purpose of it being a, y'know, console (ie, a single target platform for the coders to aim for)?
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Neither of those two, nor the new Nintendo (also IBM chips) will be using G5's, the Cell is certainly not a G5, and this article also refers to a custom chip.
Well it is a console game system. If you're concerned about upgrading your game system then this might not be your system. A PC gaming rig might be more appropriate.
Myself I'm curious to compare this to the PS3 specs when we see them. I love my PS2. I'm not really a fan of MS software, but am open to the possibility of them producing a good console system.
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I thought that xbox360 was going to use the ageia physics card? (they said at least one console was going to use it) if the console using it is the ps3 or revolution (although I doubt it) I think my money is going elsewhere.
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does it run Linux? No seriously this time; if this thing can be modded to run like the last one, this would be a SERIOUS desktop replacement... for a fraction of the cost.
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I somehow doubt it'll have a DVD-RW drive, seems a bit odd for a console. It mroe looks like a list of formats the DVD drive can read, and DVD-RW isn't that odd, newer PS2s can read them as well.
The new Xbox Live features sound a bit interesting, I hope they have it so you can have one Live account for Xbox 1 and 2, I don't want to pay twice for Live (not that I'll be getting an Xbox 2 that soon anyway)
Otherwise, looks kinda like what everyones been saying anyway.
[1] I really think Xbox 360 sounds silly. I'm not calling it until Microsoft call it that themselves.
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live specs are at the bottom. Sorry for the KH post. It seems I need more characters per line.
1. Support for DVD-video, DVD-Rom, DVD-R/RW, CD-DA, CD-Rom, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 cd, JPEG photo CD
2. All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
3. Customizable face plates to change appearance
4. 3 USB 2.0 ports
5. Support for 4 wireless controllers
6. Detachable 20GB drive
7. Wi-Fi ready
Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
- 3 symmetrical cores at 3.2 GHz each
- 2 hardware threads per core
- 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core
- 1 MB L2 cache
Custom ATI Graphics Processor
- 500 MNz - 10 MB embedded DRAM - 48-way parallel floating-point shader pipelines - unified shader architecture
Memory
-512 MB GDDR3 RAM
- 700 MNz DDR
Memory Bandwidth
- 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
- 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
- 21.6 GB/s frontside bus
Audio
- Mulitchannel surround sond output
- Supports 48khz 16-bit audio
- 320 independent decompression channels
- 32 bit processing
- 256+ audio channels
Xbox Live, 2 types:
Xbox Live Silver (no subscription required) and Xbox Live Gold (subscription benefits)
Features for Gold service
* Also for Silver # Also for Offline
- Seamless transition to Xbox Live account from Xbox to Xbox 360
- Access to MMOs (additional fees may apply) *
- Free Xbox Live weekends *
- Multiplayer online gameplay
- Avatar for gamer profile * #
- Motto for gamer profile * #
- Personalized look for Xbox System Guide * #
- Offline achievments * #
- Online achievements *
- Access to other players' Gamer cards via Live *
- Cumulative gamer score * #
- Location/language profile * #
- Reputation *
- Enahnced matchmaking using above
- Skill level matchmaking
- Gameplay style profile (casual, competitive, etc.)
- Recent players list *
- Free and premium download game content *
- Free and premium downloadable movies, music, tv *
- Downloadable demos/trailers *
- Microtransactions *
- Custom playlist in every game * #
- Play music from portable devices * #
- View images from digital camera * #
- Strem media from Windows XP * #
- Interactive screen savers * #
- Track info for CDs * #
- Communication with voice, video or text *
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Those specs are HUGE! What is the price again? Compare that to a pc with comparable specs, maybe take off 25-40% for buying in bulk... It doesn't seem very plausable to me. Can anyone justify the price vs. hardware to me?
oh, wait. its made by Microsoft. WTF??!?!
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I suspect the PS3 specs will be hard to describe. The base specs will proly be something pretty much close to the xbox360 (the same basic multicore POWER based CPU) but the nature of the CELL is going to make it hard to spit out a real world performance value on paper. Being sony though they will be liberal about it rather then conservative and will spit out some huge number they know damn well the system will never hit in real world use :)
I highly doubt that MS would be including a writeable CD with this. That would only make piracy easier, which MS has been fighting from day one of the XBOX. In fact, with all the hardware changes to mod chips, and booting people from xbox live, I'd say they've been putting up a bigger fight than any other video game hardware company. No, I really don't believe that there's a CD-RW. Frankly, this sounds like just more stupid fud that slashdot is tossing around. Why don't you stop posting random guesses and lies that anyone sees on the web?
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Does this put the rumors of "multiple versions of XBox 360" to rest? This spec sheet says the hard drive is "removable," not "optional"......
"I highly doubt that MS would be including a writeable CD with this. That would only make piracy easier..."
Uh. How would that have the slightest effect on piracy? Even XBOX 1 games exceed the size of a CD by ridiculous amounts. That'd be like saying the PS2's memory card will only make piracy easier.
(Heh amusingly, it does, but not for that reason.)
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The Xbox 360 iself will have a DVD-RW, be Wi-Fi Ready, contain 3 USB ports, and have 512 GDDR3 RAM.
The iself? That sounds more like an Apple name. I call shenanigans!
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Looks like Microsoft's feeling the heat from Nintendo :O
I know the PS3 hasn't had as many leaks, and is much farther off, but the Xbox 360 sounds amazing. The PS3 is going to have a tougher time competing if its online isn't as robust. Killer hardware, insane online support, and interesting software. I'm not much of a fanboy, much less of Microsoft, but.... Sign me up!
What you expected me to welcome an XBox?
Slashdot is kind of like Playboy; we aren't here to read the articles.
Microsoft does have a lot of latitude because of the economies of scale that the XBox 360 will offer. If Microsoft knows for a fact that they will sell 20 million consoles (or 30 million, or whatever), then it gives them pricing power.
Not only power, it gives them the ability to practically dictate prices for parts. Everyone seems awestruck that MS might use DDR3 or a 3core PPC or toss in a DVD burner. Why? Because they are expenseive at frys?
Once past a certain volume, manufacturing DDR3 won't be any more expensive than any other ram. Same with a new processor or even a DVD burner.
This is where economies of scale can be used to crush competitors. MS may have figured out that it can leapfrog the current state-of-the-art by guaranteeing volume to manufacturers of new technology. If so, watch out - they might use this to springboard a play out of Apple's book.
Imagine if Longhorn is released at the same time as a PC that is built out of the same contracted parts (but perhaps more of them and higher clocked) as the XBox 360. MS getting into the hardware business with a system a generation ahead of everyone else?
Frankly, the idea terrifies me. But I wouldn't put it past Bill. He is watching Apple and doesn't want his old nemesis to stomp on his pride anymore.
Whatever the case, this should be interesting...
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Two comments: 1) There are those who want the most tricked-out Xbox 360 possible, even if it costs $1000 in components 2) 3 years later I can probabbly get a graphics card with twice the specs for $100.
It's a game console. Software makers tune the software to the hardware itself. The only reason that I've ever needed to upgrade my PC is that it was running the software too slowly. I don't see this being a problem with a game console.
I still love how console memory cards are about the worst price on flash memory you can get these days. Sony's are occasionally on sale for $20 (from their normal retail price of $25), and have "8MB" emblazoned on them for all to see.
Meanwhile, a couple of aisles over at Wal-Mart, you can get a 512MB CompactFlash card for $30.
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Support for DVD-R/RW does NOT means a DVD-RW drive.
Do we have to save on DVDs now?
Can't wait to see it under Linux. Does anyone know if the 3 USB ports are real, or are they fake ones like on the current XBox?
You're forgetting that Microsoft will control the hardware on this device, and it will have strong Digital Rights Management. The ability to burn copies of stuff MS sold you onto a CD/DVD (that maybe only plays on an XBox?) then looks more likely.
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Or Half-Life 2 at 1280x720 at 60fps on a $300 machine.
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Microsoft is likely ramping up production _now_ to have enough in stock for the first few months of sales.
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This is to appeal to the same people that put neon lights in their computer cases, which is a pretty decent percentage of the nerd population.
It'll also probably appeal to the MODZZZZZZZZZZZ IMPORT-RACING!!!!!1 crowd.
I know most console games aren't that large and those that are, use 2 discs, but HD content takes ALOT of space even if its encoded with H.264 codec. MGS4 could easily take 12 GBs if the FMVs are in HD. Microsoft would be really stupid if they would give all the horsepower to create HD content and give you a tiny space to put it in.
1 Hour of HD video(H.264) = 2.67 GB.
I doubt they are going to use DVD media, but if they are, I will be first one laughing at them.
And 3 cores for PPC would be the greatest achievement known to man (slashdot man). 2 cores I believe, but 3, no. IBM has not been able to even make dual core G5s.
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I forgot to note that the $300 machine comes with the OS, so you don't have to buy (pirate) it yourself.
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Last time I checked, cell-phone faceplates were quite the hot commodity. I'm taking a shot in the dark here, but might this not appeal more to the Japanese gaming community? They really seem to be into customizing alot more than their American or European counterparts.
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Of course, once you throw in the other 3 players on any game, you are down to 640x360 or less, depending on if your TV really supports 1280x720 (many LCD/Plasma TVs seem to actually have only 1024 pixels across)
And 1080i only gets you to 960x270 @ 60fps.
We're really going to need to get TVs up to about 1440p or so, and have the TVs be affordable too, before 4-player games really start to look good.
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"...and have 512 GDDR3 RAM."
that would be 512 M GDDR3 RAM i presume
else i'd be really impressed *grin*
I'll admit that I've never been a fan of split-screen, maybe specifically because I was used to PC resolution advantages. Whatever the reason, my first exposure to 4-player Goldeneye was one of mild surprise that people devoted considerable time to playing it.
That said, I think I can get very used to playing something at 640x360. That's better than standard TVs fullscreen, isn't it? I hope that, by the time the 360 comes out, I'll have a 720p projector (there's apparently a very nice Panasonic one that can be obtained for under $2000, which is more than can be said of 720p LCD TVs of considerable size).
Even at that, your particular argument doesn't really make sense to me; decent-resolution split-screen isn't an advantage PCs offer, and online play is going to be a big feature of a lot of games in the upcoming console generation. Split-screen started initially out of necessity, and only continues because it can still be fun, and much more economical, to have several people crowded around a single screen. With HD, it'll be even better, but online play renders it nonessential.
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They expect to fill a 25+ GB Blu-Ray disc? With what, hours and hours of MPEG-2 HD cutscenes? Textures? Half-Life 2, with all of its better-than-HD textures, fit easily on a standard DVD. PC games have barely been released standard on DVD for a year or so, and you seriously think console games are going to need Blu-Ray? Time for a sanity check.
Anyways, if - IF - they needed more than the 8 or so GB available on a dual-layer DVD, you port it to Xbox by including >1 disc, and store some of the game data on the hard drive.
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"How will this ever get ported to the XBox? Just cut everything out?"
Why would Rockstar bother with the next xbox?
Perhaps late in its life if the xbox 360 gets up to 10 to 15 million units they will start putting out ports. The 85 million PS2s and the 85 million PS3s that will be bought over the next five years are Rockstar's prime focus.
Rockstar isn't in the business of providing welfare for xbox owners.
I don't particularly like split-screen. It especially ruins fps type games when people just cheat and look at your screen, amoung other things. PCs don't split screen because everybody is usually on their own unit, as it should be for those types of games. Multiplayer console games are best when you all share one screen, or take turns, or some other non-split arragement.
Standard TV is 480i which is 720x240 @ 60fps. (The f technically stands for fields, not frames then, but that hardly matters.) Whenever you see the little "i" instead of a "p", divide the height by 2, its much easier to compare then. Many regular TVs have a hard time doing more then 400x300 overall though (400x150 after you take into consideration interlacing). So many people are effectively playing Halo at around 200x75 @ 60fps per-player, but its aliased down from 360x120.
Really though, HDTV will be a big step forward, but the big factor is the TV price, not if the console supports it. Right now almost all of my Gamecube games support 480p (720x480) which is a huge improvement from 480i (720x240) but the cost of a EDTV with progressive scan support is out of my range still when the console cost me $99 and games cost $10-$20 typically.
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So you do what my friend did (and I am about to do) and take an old controller cable, splice it into a regular usb cable and attach your xxxmb thumbdrive to it and there you go. The controller ports on the Xbox are standard USB with proprietary connectors.
The Xbox memory cards are nothing but a USB device with a funky connector that plugs into your controller's USB hub.
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I'm pretty sure the "Support for ... CD-RW .. " line just means that it will be able to read those formats, not write to them.
As I play Forza, I wonder about disc read speed. Forza loads forever. If complicated and detailed games will be common--and I'm all for it--some optimization needs to be done. Also, in the realm of PS2 downward compatability, will the improved speed enhance load times of XBox games?
With lots of expansive, detailed content, I would not be surprised at all if they could fill up a BluRay. Use procedural algorithms to make a stupidly detailed city, and make like the entire state that city is in. Then, store it in a stupidly verbose format similar to the following:
// The following section declares a point that is part of the current triangle:: // The following floating point value indicates the X axis value of a point: // The following floating point value indicates the Y axis value of a point: // The following floating point value indicates the Z axis value of a point: // The following floating point value indicates the unused homogenous coordinate: // This concludes the point. Points are very cool. The next section will have another point.
----------------
1.0000000245
1.000000784
1.00000358
1.0000000000
----------------------
Multiply by three to get a triangle, use a few billion triangles, and then you can advertise the fact that you used a whole BluRay when telling people to buy your game because it is so immersive!
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* No physics processing unit - lame
Why bother with a physics processor when you have a 3 core 3.2 Ghz one?
You idiot. It's clearly Minnesotan's per second! If you can't speak the l33t speak, you shouldn't be on slashdot!
Either that, or gaminghorizon needs to either wait for the email version of the press release to cut and paste or by a better OCR program for printed ones that can tell Ns from Hs.
As for dots, they're clearly exploring new technologies like Nintendo is rumored to be doing with 3D. In this case it's evidently something based off of Dot Matrix technology. This assumption can be backed up by the need for 256+ audio channels - no one needs that much sound unless they're powering a dot matrix.
LOL. The DS to my surprise is getting such weak feedbacks even though it is probably tie with hardware sales with the PSP.
Anyways the region bullshit is too much, I agree. They should have standardized on regular movies, not UMD format either.
Yeah those specs are freaking amazing, but uh, it's a console right? How much are they debuting this at? $900?
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I think the GTA games "cheat" with their content by licensing loads and loads of good music. The last GTA game came with an 8 CD soundtrack, which was awesome. Most people I know have a collection of music that's > 25gb compressed.
Sorry, made a mistake, it actually reads DVD-R/RW. Seeing as how the XBOX 360 uses a DVD drive, that should be large enough to stick a game on two DVD's. More than easy enough to make pirating through the system worthwhile.
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The last time you checked must be 2000 then, when every mall had 10 cell phone faceplate 'stores'.
Your point is still valid, just a little out of date.
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Yes that is what I took it as too. Would be pretty stupid to include a writeable dvd drive, the first mod will be an xbox game copy machine.
>It might as well be. As far as I can tell, each
>core in the XBOX360 should be significantly faster >than a seperate PPC970.
No way. PPC970 has out-of-order execution while Xbox360 CPU is in-order, so PPC970 is generally faster to execute most applications. Xbox360 CPU may be faster only when it's clocked significantly higher than PPC970 or when it has fatter SIMD (AltiVec) registers.
While I'm quite impressed myself with the specs and the fact that they're going wireless with the controllers... I had this bizarre hope that going to purely wireless controllers would end the stupid limitation of 4 players max on the system. I have five members in my family. We play FIVE player games on the Saturn, Turbo Grafx, and PlayStation systems. I would like to play five player games on new my systems if the hardware guys would get their heads out of their asses.
I also hope this wireless crap like the current crop of 3rd party X-Box controllers. I have so much interference in my neighborhood that none of them work reliably (haven't tried the bluetooth ones yet though). On the other hand, my WaveBird controllers have never failed to perform. Hmmm...
"3 symmetrical cores at 3.2 GHz each"
The heat is on. I guess the Xbox fanboys finally will live up to their name.
Assuming that this info is correct. It looks like xbox live will require the HD. Considering how integrated the HD looks, what makes you think that all 360's will not have an included HD? But ahh here is the kicker could a dvd/rw be used instead of the HD????? hmm folks could it work? So I guess the 360 hd is still up in the air. There is nothing about backward combatibility... but I will bet that MS will have it, the backlash will be to big not to have implemented it. As for the speed vs the cell. Well the first of a generation usally sells the best. Iomega Jazz vs the Syquest Syjet? the jet was way better from a larger company that had dominanted removeable media with syquest drives, but Iomega beat them to market with the jazz which was slower, more expensive, small capacity, and more prone to disk failure. Iomegas hard start.. 3 months. Where is syquest now? Speed vs the PS3 with the cell is a non-starter, it doesn't matter. MS will beat Sony out in this generation of consoles.
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I would LMAO if Apple 'leaked' a copy of tiger that ran on this baby. This would make a fantastic xserve farm machine, especially at the loss-leader prices these will inevitably ship for. Does this post fall into the "imaging a beowulf cluster..." catergory?
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For example you could ship a single multilanguage disk. Whilst the space for dialogue isn't going to fill a blu-ray disk, if you re-rendered all the cut scenes to lip-synch to the audio, then you've suddenly got a lot of data.
You can also use surplus space to compensate for CPU - why waste resource decompressing something, when it can be spooled off raw?
We've heard the same argument when CDs came out, when DVDs came out etc etc. Having the extra space loses you nothing and gives the developer an opportunity to offer you something you didn't have before.
Is this to appeal to 12 year old girls??? Seriously, is somebody going to change the color of the X-box to correspond to either red or blue based on their Halo team color?
Maybe.. If they want, they will have the option and that is important. I want to show off my personality through my xbox. I will have a new face plate every year based on whatever..
[Back to real mode] Some of us have wives that want the hardware to go with the furniture and the wall color and it is hell lot easier to change the xbox plate to match the walls than the other way round.
Not entirely true.
Half-Life install (assuming all of the files were on the DVD and not Steam) would fit on a DVD but at that point the files are compressed. Half-Life 2 uncompressed (ie, what's on the hard drive) is fairly big (more than a DVD).
Take "Far Cry" for example: that thing requires an insane amount of hard drive space for a full install (much more than 4.75GB).
If they want games to be more complex and what-not to take advantage of the more powerful system then they're going to need
a) more content
b) larger content
c) have it uncompressed. (to a degree)
They may not take up an entire Blue Ray disc, but from a marketing standpoint people aren't going to want to swap 2 (maybe 3) DVD's back and forth to play a game.
The source for these specs? The TeamXbox forums. Now I like the staff of TeamXbox. They have created a pretty reasonable and reliable site. But the forum? Let's take a random sample of thread titles:
"a guy where at the mtv show!!!"
"doom 3 @ 400k!!!!!!!!"
"If I have too buy Batterys to play my games on xbox360"
"Can Permanant Marker Wreck Discs?"
"I dreamed I owned an xbox 360 last night"
"Fisher Price is manufacturing the X360 consoles!"
[huge sic]
We need only wait 24 hours before we know the real specs. Maybe these are right, but do you really need to be posting completely speculative specs when the slashdot post is fresh enough that we can all came back and make fun of you if you're wrong?
Yeah, if you look at TFA, it says...
"Support for DVD-video, DVD-Rom, DVD-R/RW, CD-DA, CD-Rom, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 cd, JPEG photo CD"
Which the article author reworded as...
"WiFi ready, DVD-RW, 3 USB ports, and 512 GDDR3 RAM."
Which the slashdot contributor reworded as...
"The Xbox 360 iself will have a DVD-RW"
These are how rumors get started, folks.
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Never underestimate how much money people will spend to be on the same mass-produced products to be "different."
Mod +1 Insightful. "Ricers" created a whole new market with that line of thinking; i have a friend who works on a car "tuning" shop and they move quite a lot of money.
If front plates are customizables, people will buy them like crazy; specially kids. Need proof? Check cellphones.
i wonder if our overlords will allow us to "own" the hardware we pay good money for in the forseeable future.
they lock it up tight with DRM and digital signatures to insure that we don't have access to the hardware that we bought. i assume they don't consider us owners, only merely renters.
now that next gen consoles have vast multimedia capabilities, we are essentially being forced legally and technically to give up our rights to our property.
i want full access to all those cpus and video processors. i paid for them. i DON'T want to copy games or infringe on your lousy copyright, i want direct access to the hardware i purchased.
and "mod" chips and the like don't count. they are legally obligated to provide any purchaser the ability to program the machine if they so choose.
and please don't give me the rubbish about how "people except consoles to be closed" deal. if you pay for hardware, it's yours. true, they don't have to provide you documentation, code snippets, etc but they MUST allow you to run unsigned code.
essentially this is illegal as hell by anyone who has a shred of reason/intelligence. but of course, it'll remain unchanged for some time to come.
let me reiterate one more time I DO NOT want to infringe copyright, i just want to own my own hardware.
this is one of the big issues that allows consoles to suck as far as computing devices goes. PC hardware you own, console harware you pay the privilege of renting it.
not buying it is actually not a solution. because unless there is a written contract which i have signed, i am buying the hardware to be fully usable by me. this is definitely against the law... now we just need someone to challenge it.
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