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Evidence Dinosaurs Are Like Giant Chicks
ZeroExistenZ writes "timesonline reports the new "irrefutable" fossil evidence of dino's resembling "giant chicks" more then reptiles as formerly accepted. Gareth Dyke: "The way these creatures are depicted can no longer be considered scientifically accurate," he said. "All the evidence is that they looked more like birds than reptiles. Tyrannosaurs might have resembled giant chicks.""
I, for one, welcome our new Giant Chick overlords.
the word chickenshit gets a whole new meaning... are there any lithified pieces of it?
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So it looks like I wouldn't have been able to score with a dinosaur, either...
Yeah, only one date, but you know...the usual dinner & a movie ("Arthur", as I recall) and it went OK, but didn't lead to anything.
I wonder what she's doing now....
(oh, byt the way, I didn't RTFA)
That's why snakes taste like chicken.
What's up with Slashdot's science news these days? You guys are reporting the obvious as if it was late breaking news (ozone, parasites that control hosts, now this).
The way these creatures are depicted can no longer be considered scientifically accurate
Dinosaurs have been depicted as bird-like for at least the last 20 years. Even since the 90s, Jurassic Park (the original anyway) tapped noted palentologists to give the dinosaurs what was then a contemporary view of them - fast, warm blooded, very bird like. Many contemporary depictions of dinosaurs have them behaving in a birdlike manner or looking like birds (to the point of having rudimentary or even full fledged feathers).
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Birds are well known to be descendants of dinosaurs. Interestingly, crocodiles were around with the dinosaurs too.
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...think twice when you plan on wearing that "no fat chicks" tee today.
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And here's an artist rendering of how they might have looked.
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What, were they all really moody or something?
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"Upon discovering the new fossilised remains of this giant 50 foot high chick, we've decided to name it the Darylhannansaur"
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very funny
You better watch out, there may be dogs about . .
Omg you made me laugh soo hard..
we are getting closer to answering the "who came first, the chicken or the egg" question.
Mmmmmh - Giant chicks
So, dinosaurs are just as unfathomable as 50-foot tall women?
Just wondering...
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Like the ones from last vacation? Ops, nevermind...
This is the real reason it have been posted on the slashdot probably.
50 foot chickens eh?
Anyone else thinking "barbeque"?
...stand underneath when they lay an egg!
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Hollywood movies are made to generate profit. They are usually not made to be very scientifically accurate. And in this case, it seems that even the scientists themselves aren't all that sure about what they're talking about.
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So they're like chocobos then? Chocobos with sharp, pointy teeth.
more then reptiles as formerly accepted.
It's THAN you nitwit. Even my 8 year old knows the difference between then and than.
timesonline reports the new "irrefutable" fossil evidence of dino's resembling
"giant chicks" more then reptiles as formerly accepted.
1. Capitalize.
2. "dino's"?
3. Then != Than
4. I'd like to kill you for submitting this.
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We've always known the answer was an egg. Reptiles and whatnot.
You better watch out, there may be dogs about . .
So is this singular, as in Dino from the Flintstones? Or did you perhaps mean it in the present tense?
I always knew there was something sinister about this creature
Due to the nature of most of these replies, perhaps "giant baby chickens" wouldv'e sounded a lil better than giant chicks. Xena's still hot though j3rry
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Now how would they serve 1/2 of a 50' tall chick at Swiss Chalet?
More seriously, maybe get that DNA and culture up some, let them range over Africa and harvest them for food. You might need a tank to hunt them, as I sure would not want to be out there with a spear or 12-gauge shotgun.
There's an old saying: "Ontogeny recapitulated Phylogeny" (or, "baby/fetal X usually looks like X's evolutionary ancestor" - since it's easier for a mutation to successfully edit the adult form than the infant form without causing something else to break).
So if dinosaurs and birds are related, one would expect there to be a lot of similarities to baby birds to down is not surprising. However, I'm not convinced about the immediate leap to a theory of multi-coloured down when chicks are usually mono-unicolour.
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Genesis 1:21: God created "winged fowls." Nothing about dinosaurs.
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started finding gizzard stones and wishbones in dinosaur remains.
It you want to know what a T Rex was like, watch a crow walk across your lawn. Or look at a picture of a Cassowary.
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Oh the poor T.Rex...gone from being the most powerful and vicious creature imaginable - chasing down jeeps and eating lawyers and shaking the ground as it runs...then we hear that if it ran at more than 8 mph, it would fall over...then that if it ever did fall over, it couldn't get back up again...then they told us that it was merely a scavenger and not a hunter at all.
AND NOW IT LOOKS LIKE A GIANT, FLUFFY YELLOW CHICK?!?
Nooooo!
T.Rex's had laser eyes, breathed fire and had enormous leathery batlike wings that don't show up in the fossil record because they were shed every year to grow new ones. They could run at 80mph and ate several Diploducus for breakfast every morning before having violent terratorial disputes that took up the rest of their days. At night they tracked down and ate cavemen. Their advanced (but brutal and inhumane) society dominated the earth for 20 million years and was only brought down by alien civilisations hurling giant flaming meteors at them from the safe distance of the Kyper belt.
OK - maybe I lost a bit of scientific detachment there - but..*REALLY*.
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.. but once I started thinking about it it made a bit more sense in evolutionary terms.
Scales! If dinosaurs evolved slowly from fish, why would the scales simply disappear without evolution even trying to figure out another use for them? It's not a gigantic logical leap to move from the idea of scales to the idea of feathers, they're both overlapping 'plates' attached at a single point, the only difference is the fine structure involved which may have started simply as land walking fish who's scales didn't hold together very well, leaving ribbons of scale that were at once more flexible and slightly more insulative.
Brilliant! *beer time*
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...on the "Fry Hard 2" episode of Good Eats.
He used one of these, minus skull, tail and the bottom half of the legs, to demonstrate the proper way to dismantle a whole chicken for frying.
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My first thought was, "Hey Dino, does this make my butt look big?"
Now imagine a 50 foot chicken...and you're the bug.
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Like this one?
This one at the BBC discusses the find in more depth and also mentions that the feathers were primarily on smaller dinosaurs, but even our beloved T-Rex may have hatched cute li'l chicks.
And this American Museum of Natural History article discusses a diorama they're putting up based on the find, including pictures of their conceptions of the dinosaurs today.
Really, submitter could have contributed a lot more information with a little basic research.
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Oh, well, now, I wouldn't say that.
This article is from February 2003. The guy is an evolutionary biologist, but search for the word 'factory' and notice where this factory is rumored to exist. You guessed it, Liaoning Province.
Very interesting read.
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Dinosaurs have been depicted as bird-like for at least the last 20 years. Even since the 90s, Jurassic Park (the original anyway) tapped noted palentologists to give the dinosaurs what was then a contemporary view of them - fast, warm blooded, very bird like. Many contemporary depictions of dinosaurs have them behaving in a birdlike manner or looking like birds (to the point of having rudimentary or even full fledged feathers).
/. report is not about the general anatomical similarities between preditory dinosaurs and birds which is well documented. It is about the debait about the extent to which predatory diosaurs were feathered which has been debated. AFAIK (In no paleontologist my knowledge of these matter comes largely from documentaries and science journals) it has until now been assumed that feathering was limited to a numer of smaller raptor species. If it is indeed true that irrefutable evidence has been found that even the largest flesh eating dinosaurs such as T.Rex, Allosaurus etc... were feathered that is indeed news. I was not aware that this has been common knowledge for the last 20 years. I for one look forward to seeing that proto-T.Rex fossil, has anybody seen images of this specimen?
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Just imagine the scientifically accurate Jurrassic Park release- when chickens rule the earth. Somehow the whole thing looses its intensity when they arent giant reptiles chasing you, however it would still gross a fortune. 50 foot tall chickens = good comedy.
Does this mean Mozzie the Mozilla t-rex has to be redesigned to include feathers? If it does, then I'm afraid Mozilla doesn't have the same bite anymore!
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..cos a number of chicks I've met turned out to be like giant dinosaurs...
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I think we need to rename the really dangerous one to Tyranosaurus Regina...
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... doesn't this cast doubt on the scientific validity of "Jurassic Park"? And what about "The Lost World"?
When I saw the "then" I jumped back up to see that the article was selected for publishing by Taco -- then (than?) I knew that the terrible grammar/spelling was intentional sub-reference humor along the lines of "hot grits", "Natalie Portman" and Beowulf Cluster.
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Somehow a giant dinosaur, covered in Toucan styled plumage, just isn't as fearsome as you'd expect. In fact I'm imagining a hilarious Monty Python skit as I'm writing.
If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
I live in Georgia. There are still like millions of giant chicks here.
I think it's somewhat of a mistake to generalize our view of dinosaurs by making broad sweeping declarations that either they were all covered with feathers and descendants of birds, or they were all scaly reptiles.
I'm sure the relation among dinosaur breeds varied widely. I think it will be a worthwhile exercise to try discovering exactly which dinosaurs were feathery, and the evolutionary reasoning behind the difference.
Like one poster mentioned, crocodilians existed as dinosaurs, and as far as we know they've always biologically been very similar to the way they are today. So I don't think it's unreasonable to assume there are other dinosaurs who also had leathery, reptile skin.
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Oh come on. This is funny.
So dinosaurs looked like... Big Bird? BTW, is big bird male or female? I never could figure that one out.
Chickens are the dumbest animals on the planet. They can live for weeks without a head! And you just got modded +5 for a post in which you claim chickens are intelligent, of all things.
Gawd, how lucky can anyone be.
Next thing you know, you and a bunch of NFL cheerleaders will be the only survivors on the whole world of a comet strike on Earth.
All this Darwinistic Claptrap.
Clearly the 'Designer' is slowly revealing the truth that fossils were placed in the shales to test our faith.
Creatures do not evolve, could a nike trainer have 'evolved'? Well its the same with a foot.
I think we should be searching for logos not fossils, soon a signature will come to light then the joke will be on all you pathetic 'evidence based' monkey descendants.
these dinosaurs had giant closets full of giant shoes??
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Do you think they'll update the exhibits at Dinosaur Adventure Land?
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Although most of his head was in a jar, most of his brain stem and one ear was left on his body. Since most of a chicken's reflex actions are controlled by the brain stem Mike was able to remain quite healthy.
Dinos were giant chicks... proposed by Dr. Dyke... coincidence? I think not.
That's like something being positively similar or certainly possible -- neither of which are actual answers to a question. Is she pregnant? She is certifiably maybe! What is irrefutable about a similarity?
If the article is right, Lucas now has an actual reason to go back and alter the special effects of a movie.
... bring out the tar and feathers.
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This doesn't quite make sense.
Once feathers evolved, it would be only a short time before their lifting qualities would enable the evolution of high-jumping then gliding then flying dinosaurs.
There should be a huge number of fossils of a huge number of species of dinosaur-era birdlike creatures. But we only see a few.
So these "feathers" couldn't have been very much like what we think of as feathers.
Or else something about being avian kept those creatures from becoming fossils. Which implies that there may be other entire swaths of the genetic diversity that were prevented from becoming fossils. Which mean the dinosaurs we're finding are only the animals that couldn't avoid the tar-pits and eruptions and mudslides. That is, the period may have been many times more diverse and interesting than we're being allowed to see.
Holy christ, why did you have to point out that site? Now my brain hurts and I want to kill someone.
The real reason that the 50-foot tall chicks became extinct is early mammals learned how to use rudimentary tools to activate the Continuum Transfunctioner.
Now we know why little children are so frightened by Big Bird.
I'm telling you, he's not a dinosaur. He's a giant chicken! Why won't anyone believe me?
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Had Taco bothered to post this story which I've had in my Journal since June, this story would have been a nice addition to the historical evolution of dinosaurs to birds. Instead, (some) people are surprised at this finding.
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Someone named Gareth Dyke being interested in Giant Chicks.
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Cool! Now all we have to do is contact our friend Billywitchdoctor.com to bring back the dinosaurs!
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I bet these chicks could give KFC Execs an Erection!
Of course. They are called coprolites.
Oh, cool. An easter basket. Colored eggs, plastic grass, chocolate eggs, marshmallow HOLY %@$#ing Christ!
Nonsense. I had a date last night.
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Be careful not to fall into the "Man Evolved From Monkeys" trap. (Coincidentally, it's a trap that many religious nuts seem to willfully fall into--showing they don't understand evolution at all.)
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In other words, a given Dinosaur species and a given bird ancestor may not have been directly (ancestor/descendant) related, but instead could have been from a common ancestor which we may or may not have encountered. Saying it's either "Birds came from Dinos" and "Dinos came from Birds", while perhaps justified in this case, is also a false choice since there are multiple forms of relation.
Or perhaps they're unrelated but both implemented the evo.Fluffy interface.
The ROM has had an exhibition about this going for some time now. At the entrance they have a diorama of a group of dinosaurs as they were throught to have appeared up to now, leather-skinned lizards. Through the exhibit they provide the evidence of why this impression has changed. Finally at the exit the same diorama is displayed only with the dinosaurs now covered in feathers.
The 15-foot-high chicken is something to see.
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With the attacking monster that looks like a duck.
Nooo. Chicken Park was a waste of my $1 rental and the 12 minutes and twenty seconds I endured before turning off the tape player and sitting with my head buried in my hands. I was even moved to post a review on IMDB.
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We know one thing, though, from the physical samples we actually have (skeltons): T. Rex did not have a beak, so there's no way in hell Sue (the T. Rex in the Field Museum in Chicago) looked like a big chick. Maybe she was fuzzy and yellow... but that would just make her look like a fuzzy, yellow T. Rex as opposed to a scaley, mottled brown T. Rex.
Hey hate to let you all here this... but I knew of this since I was 16... All chicks are cold blooded reptiles.
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Sadly most fossils have more than one discoverer, and they might not all share the same sense of humour. Also I believe international nomenclature standards demand a certain... descriptiveness in species naming ;)
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It sounds like we need to submit a new bug: Icon needs to look more chicken-like. ;-)
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The chicken or the egg?
after RTFA, i can't see why TFA likend dinosaurs to chicks. what is it about baby chickens, and not birds?
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I mean, I've always kind of hoped, but...
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Go to a pet store and spend a few moments with a macaw/parrot. They are SMART and can move around quite well despite having a brain smaller than a walnut, only having 2 legs and being designed to fly.
Now imagine that thing is 30 feet tall with a mouth full of giant teeth. We would never have evolved if something hadn't killed those off.
I think the theories that paint them as slow helpless scavengers are seriously lacking. Anything that big and helpless wouldn't have lasted long enough to get that big.
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Anybody besides me remember Chicken Boo? We now know he wasn't a giant chicken, but a smalish dinosaur!
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>fossil evidence of dino's resembling giant chicks
I, for one, welcome our new 100ft tall Reese Witherspoon overladies!
Anyone who has a battlechicken knows that they are 1.5lb of muscle and beak.
And if it scales - then T-rex's bites must have been awful......
So i googled for "geological timeline", and found: http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/geo_timeline.h
So, allmost _all_ dinosaurs *died* (except turtles and alligators and a few others), at the K-T (Cretaceous - Tertiary) Boundary. This boundary is also know for its very big meteorite. The boundary is dated at 65 Million years ago, and the same page dates Lucy at 3.5 Million years ago, and the first Homo Erectus at 1.6 Million.
So, claiming youve seen dino and human footsteps in the same layer of rock is very, very silly.
This cool fossil: http://www.dino-nakasato.org/en/special97/Fight-e. html is Protoceratops actually fighting with Velociraptor!
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On the other hand, my last giant chick escaped while I was cutting my toenails. The scissors accidentally punctured her, she farted once, flew around in circles, and then shot out the open window. All in all, I'd still prefer Anna-Nicole. She is no dinosaur. Yet.
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That tyrannosaurus is a whole lot less scary when he's got downy yellow feathers... at least up to the point where he eats you anyway...