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Fox And Universal Say Goodbye To Halo Movie

Master_of_Tumbleweeds writes "20th Century and Universal Pictures, the two studios that agreed to co-finance the film adaptation of Microsoft's Halo video game, have abruptly pulled out of the project. This leaves executive producers Peter Jackson and Fran Walsh without financing or distribution. A ballooning budget (rumored to have been closing in on the $200 Mil mark) and apparent lack of confidence in rookie feature film director Neill Blomkamp are being named the major culprits for Fox and Universal's decision."

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  1. I'd call this a smart move. by manno · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At .2 billion, I can't blame them.

    1. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To put this into perspective:

      - Batman Begins was estimated at $150,000,000
      - The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring was estimated at $93,000,000
      - The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers was estimated at $94,000,000
      - The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King was estimated at $94,000,000
      - King Kong was estimated at $207,000,000
      - Star Wars Episode III was estimated at $113,000,000
      - X-Men 3 was estimated at $210,000,000

      Long story short, Jackson would have to prove that a video game movie would appeal to a wide enough audience to justify comparing it to King Kong and X-Men 3. Considering that video game movies always do poorly, I can see why the studios don't believe him.

    2. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by remembertomorrow · · Score: 1

      Hell, they could have bought Youtube! What were they thinking?!

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    3. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 4, Funny

      At .2 billion, I can't blame them.

      I can do better than that:

      At .0002 trillion, I can't blame them.

    4. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Analein · · Score: 1
      Long story short, Jackson would have to prove that a video game movie would appeal to a wide enough audience to justify comparing it to King Kong and X-Men 3.
      Yeah. Why should comic adaptions beat video game adaptions in terms of estimated audience? It's not like those genres share the same geeky fanboys.
    5. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a difference though. The geeks that grew up with many of the comics that have recently been turned into movies are in their 20s and 30s (or older) and are gainfully employed. Many (but not all) of the geeks who grew up with Halo are still in their teens.

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    6. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Reverend528 · · Score: 4, Funny
      .2 billion

      Most of that budget was going towards film. After all, this was going to be the first movie shot entirely in slow motion.

    7. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by FofR · · Score: 5, Informative

      I should point out that the $200m mark is a rumor and Kamins, the representative for Peter Jackson and Fran stated: "The only budget the filmmakers ever spoke about was $145 million less the 12.5% rebate that you get from shooting in New Zealand, which would put it at about $128 million. That was the only number that was ever discussed."

      For more details I suggest heading to http://halomovie.trivialbeing.net/ where they have a video/news broadcast and some footage of Jackson's response.

      As an aside, they quote: "Microsoft is already in talks with other distribution partners and preparation for the movie will continue. Most of this development is at Peter Jackson's Weta effects studios in New Zealand, so delays should be small."

    8. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Volante3192 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thought that was Baywatch: The Movie, which got Pamela Anderson her acting Oscar.

    9. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      To put this in a better perspective....

      Doom the movie $60 million.

      it sucked hard... so hard that people walking past the theatre were pulled up against the doors of the theatre it was playing in causing lots of extra work by theatre staff to pull partons off the doors while it ran.

      DVD sales were dismal, and most Sci-fi and gaming fans hate it as well.

      All other video game movies sucked as well, so going into this most everyone can see that it was pretty much a wash and was getting horribly over priced for what it was and had potential to make.

      $200 million for a campy B movie that would only be good fodder for the upcoming MST4K series that will be reborn in about 5 years....

      I can understand why. and honestly I dont understand why directors and producers that propose a videogame movie are not beaten to death by the studios.... I dont care how good you are, Halo the movie??? I'd rather see Half Life the movie, and even then only if there is lots of crowbar action on headcrabs.

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    10. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      $200 million for a campy B movie that would only be good fodder for the upcoming MST4K series that will be reborn in about 5 years....


      And I can't wait!

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    11. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by PhilipMckrack · · Score: 5, Informative

      Because by the time they budgeted X-Men 3, it was pretty well established it would be a success. The budget for X-Men 1 was $75 million. They are comparing Halo to Doom and Mortal Kombat. Following are worldwide gross amounts for a sample of comic and video game movies. Video game movies can be made to be profitable, but $200 million for a budget is very risky.

      Spiderman gross: $821,706,375
      Spiderman 2 gross: $783,924,485
      X-Men gross: $295,999,717
      X-Men 2 gross: $406,400,513
      X-Men 3 gross: $455,360,014
      Hulk gross: $225,600,000
      Daredevil: $179,143,518

      Doom gross: $54,612,337
      Mortal Kombat: $122,133,227
      Tomb Raider: $274,644,183
      Tomb Raider 2: $156,453,758

    12. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Drizzt+Do'Urden · · Score: 5, Funny

      What you can see here is that Big Boobs Works(TM)

    13. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by c6gunner · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, and it's not like Teens go to the movie theaters or anything. Or buy merchandise. In fact, that's why no company anywhere gears their advertising towards teens. It would make no sense, since they don't have any money!

    14. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Long story short, Jackson would have to prove that a video game movie would appeal to a wide enough audience to justify comparing it to King Kong

      I thought King Kong was a video game movie.

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    15. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's an inane comment.

    16. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by twistedsymphony · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I can understand why. and honestly I dont understand why directors and producers that propose a videogame movie are not beaten to death by the studios.... I dont care how good you are, Halo the movie??? I'd rather see Half Life the movie, and even then only if there is lots of crowbar action on headcrabs.
      While it's true that a lot of games just wouldn't make sense in the movie realm. The differences is in the script. In comic books characters are fleshed out, they have identities and personalities, and they have years of history with how the characters interact with each other. For a movie adaptation you can strip the story straight out of the pages, or if you write it fresh you have oodles and oodles of backstory and character traits that you can easily reference for inspiration. Not only does this keep the movie true to the comic's roots (which is important in any adaptation) but it also has the added benefit of keeping the fans happy in addition to giving the script a vast amount of depth and complexity with relatively little work on the writer's part (so long as he/she is familiar with the original work, or does their research).

      The problem is that NOT all video games have such a rich history. Games like Mario Bros and Doom in their infancy had a vague Shadow of a plot that was little more then a sorry excuse for why the pixels on the screen were dancing the way there were. Sure newer games have more of a script and are becoming more cinematic but even still the history isn't there, You might get 1 or 2 so-so game scripts to base your movie off of and that's if you're lucky. The rest of the movie's script and character design has to be invented by the writers, and to make it good enough to REALLY capture the feel of the game the writer has to do a whole lot more work to make it worth while for the audience.

      Halo is a little different though, not only doe it have 2 games with very SOLID scripts (and a 3rd with the script already written I'm sure) it also has a series of very well written novels as well as a comic book, all based in the same world. In addition it has a loyal fan base that keeps tabs on all the little nuances of the franchise, similar to what you find in other sci-fi fan bases the likes of Star Wars, Star Trek, or Battlestar Galactica.

      Halo has more then enough there to write a good movie script that will make a movie people want to watch. It's not the only game like this either, both Tomb Raider and Silent Hill have more backstory and well written game scripts then most games (though not nearly as good as what is available for Halo) and those were clearly far and wide better received films then other video game adaptations of games with little to no plot.
    17. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Z1NG · · Score: 2, Funny

      What I want to know is, where is "Minesweeper: The Movie". The story line in that game is phenomenal.

    18. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by ErroneousBee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In fact, that's why no company anywhere gears their advertising towards teens.

      Have a critical look at adverts, and you'll find very few adverts aimed at teens, simply because they are not naive enough to want something just cos its on telly, but not rich enough to support more sophisticated or mass marketing. There are exceptions to this when the market is dominated by teens (used to be soda pop, and is now phones+iPods), but look at banks, clothes, toys, food, etc and you dont see any serious attempt to directly advertise to the 15-18 markets, its all indirect and non-age specific brand building.

      Teens are too easily swayed by peer pressure. If you build a quality product, its still too random whether they will decide on you product or not.

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    19. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Arwing · · Score: 1

      Hey, that movie will be a milestone in movie making, the entire movie is gonna be shot in slow motion!

    20. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Ucklak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Comic Book audience != Video Game audience.
      Video Game fanboys may like comics but not all comic readers like video games much less any one in particular.

      Spider-man readers may like Unreal but not Halo. X-Men readers may like Halo but not Unreal.
      Readers of both may hate Halo except those who casually read Spider-man.

      Pac Man was never as popular as Spider-man is.
      Plus comics explore themes and have character development. Video games are all about action and special effects.

      The other part of the equation is that Halo is only marketed to XBox owners and PC/Mac gamers. Not a sure fire return on investment for a $200 million dollar movie much less any $40 million dollar game.
      That means you can rule out Playstation and Nintento players out unless they also have an XBox but then they're already in the XBox demographic.

      I'm sure that the studio heads also look at some made up correlation that PC gamers are more likely to download a movie than pay money to see it in a theatre.

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    21. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Teens and tweens are the biggest marketing sector going right now. Just ask anyone you know who's in advertising/marketing. You do know someone who's in advertising/marketing don't you?

    22. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Mr.+No+Skills · · Score: 1

      I would have thought it would be much cheaper than other video-game-based-movies. Aren't there only three or four sets and one hallway in the whole Halo game? One costume for a faceless actor? Don't all the CG models for the creatues already exist?

      Plus, they could just ask Valve to perk up the script, since most of the main ideas came from Half Life anyway...

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    23. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Avatar8 · · Score: 1
      • Batman Begins was estimated at $150,000,000
      • The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring was estimated at $93,000,000
      • The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers was estimated at $94,000,000
      • The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King was estimated at $94,000,000
      • King Kong was estimated at $207,000,000
      • Star Wars Episode III was estimated at $113,000,000
      • X-Men 3 was estimated at $210,000,000
      So obviously money has absolutely nothing to do with quality.

      • crap
      • fantastic
      • fantastic
      • fantastic
      • complete crap
      • utter crap
      • so-so, but not nearly as good as the first two
    24. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Funny
      Batman Begins: crap

      You have a funny definition of "crap" there boy-o. Especially when you're talking about the only really good movie ever made about my namesake.
    25. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by businessnerd · · Score: 1

      I think you touch on a good point that brings up an even bigger problem. You say the reason comic book movies do so much better is that there is already character depth and back-story available to right off of while the video games do not have much in the form of plot. I completely agree, which is a big problem.

      There are very few truly creative script writers out there these days, and the actually talented ones don't waste their time on the hollywood summer blockbusters. Look at the kinds of movies we've been given for the past couple summers. You have comic books and sequels and sequels of comic books and remakes and novels. There are very few original story ideas out there. So how do we expect one of the studios' "stock" writers to come up with an original script for a video game when none of the creative work has been done in advance? We need to get rid of the "movie-by-numbers" crap out there and start promoting scripts that have many layers, unique and interesting characters, and a plot that hasn't been done before. My suggestion to all of you sick of this crap is to start taking more chances on independent films. Sometimes you do get burned with some really boring artsy crap, but a lot of the times you may be pleasantly surprised and start thinking about things in a way you never had before.

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    26. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by drsquare · · Score: 1
      Teens are too small a demographic to sustain a film that costs 200 million dollars. For that sort of money, the film needs to appeal to everyone.

      From above:
      Yeah. Why should comic adaptions beat video game adaptions in terms of estimated audience? It's not like those genres share the same geeky fanboys.


      Most people who have heard of Batman don't know it from the comics, but rather than films, cartoons, etc.
    27. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Mattintosh · · Score: 3, Funny

      The Rock has big boobs, and he was in Doom.

    28. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Nf1nk · · Score: 1


      > The Rock has big boobs, and he was in Doom.

      A woman with big boobs is sexy.
      A man with big boobs is just a man with big boobs.
      (apologies to someone else who said it better and funnier)

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    29. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lord of the rings = utter juvenile crap

    30. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by 7Prime · · Score: 1

      You're really off base. In fact, aside from "Toys", all the examples you gave there are MANY adverts aimed at teens. If you're a teenage girl, almost every clothing commercial on TV is aimed at YOU. Most fast-food commercials star teens and are aimed at teens/young adults as a way of establishing their places as hang outs. Teens have access to LOTS of money, especially for smaller, more entertainment-driven items (food, clothing, etc). Most video games are marketted toward teens. The thing is that the older adolecent years is a good bulls-eye, if you can hit it correctly, you're likely to strike it with many older children and young adults. If you hit the 18-year-old mark, you're likely to attract people anywhere from 13 to 28.

      There are toys for teens too... they're just called condoms.

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    31. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's also not forget that all of those films were directed by ESTABLISHED people.

      Batman Begins: Christopher Nolan (Memento, Insomnia)
      Lord of the Rings: Peter Jackson (Countless horror movies)
      King Kong: Peter Jackson (Lord of the Rings)
      Star Wars Episode III: George Lucas (Star Wars)
      X-Men 3: Brett Ratner (Rush Hour, some other action movies)

      So, how do you justify giving that amount of money to someone who's an unknown quantity? I think this was a big gaffe by Jackson, to think that would come to pass. He's going to have to drop the director, or this movie will be Resident Evil without tits.

      Though, well, Milla Jovovich isn't exactly known for HAVING tits, but you get what I mean.

    32. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by briancnorton · · Score: 1
      "Considering that video game movies always do poorly"

      Let's analyze this. Certainly there have been poor performers (anything by Uwe Boll) but they *always* make money. Some have even done quite well. Doom, Final Fantasy, Tomb Raider 1&2, Resident Evil, Pokemon, even street fighter and mortal kombat did fairly well. It's all about a compelling story told effectively. Halo has a good story. Translating that could be a problem, but some of these people are actually pretty talented.

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    33. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Big tobacco markets to teens and pre-teens and they make a ton of money.

    34. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      Or "Pong 2: Death Rebound"

    35. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by ocbwilg · · Score: 1

      Sounds like someone at 20th Century Fox has been listening to George Lucas. $200 million dollar movies just don't make sense these days. There was an interesting writeup about a related topic on Techdirt this morning too, here. Wil Wheaton also had some interesting comments about Lucas' comments on his blog awhile back here.

      The reality is, there are many more distribution models than there used to be, meaning that you don't have to take a chance with a huge budget picture to get a hit/return on investment. In fact, if you have a really good product, your fans may very well prefer that you not make a big budget blockbuster movie and instead release a series of smaller, less expensive "films" distributed through an alternative medium, because they can get more content.

      Now whether that was Fox/Universal's thinking on this, or if they just got cold feet due to the dollar signs, either way it is pretty strong evidence that we are standing on the cusp of a potentially huge paradigm shift in the way that movies are made and distributed. I suspect that all it would take is one big name hit to be released in this fashion to get the snowball really rolling.

    36. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Jesterboy · · Score: 1

      What, you have a problem with Michael Keaton?

    37. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In fact, that's why no company anywhere gears their advertising towards teens."

      Except for tobacco companies.

    38. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1
      What, you have a problem with Michael Keaton?

      Him personally? No. But the movie was not that great. A lot of people like it because it portrayed a very dark Batman Universe, but I felt it was dark just for the sake of being dark. I just didn't find it all that enjoyable, even though it was TONS better than the sequels.
    39. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by BryanL · · Score: 1

      Most fans of the most recent comics are probably older than their 20s. X-men were(was) introduced in 1963 and Spiderman in 1962. From the DC world, Batman was introduced 1939 and Superman in 1933. They have been around for quite a while. They have been around long enough that parent (and even grandparents) can share the viewing experience with their families.

    40. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      I think what soured 20th Century Fox and Universal from doing the Halo movie was the fact that Superman Returns did pretty poorly considering how much was spent on that movie! The ridiculous production costs of blockbuster movies makes studios nervous, and you will see a lot more far less expensive movies over the next few years.

    41. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It'll still happen:

      1) The article currently referenced indicates a $145M budget, which is still high but not quite as outrageous.
      2) Peter Jackson is still on board and they are looking at other studios.
      3) There's a company sitting on $31B cash that really wants to see this movie made and do well. Even if they have to bite the bullet a little more in negotiations with the next studios.

    42. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by MMaestro · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Wow, don't quit your day job and go into marketing.

      Try visiting a college campus at the beginning of a new semester. Banks are ALWAYS trying to get students to open new accounts with them. Clothes? I'm sorry but Banana Republic, Tommy Hilfiger and specialized retailers like Hot Topic disagree. Toys?! Holy crap, have you completely ignored the massive amounts of 80's cartoon remakes lately? Food is too general to aim at a specific audience. When was the last time you saw a senior citizens aimed advertisement?

      Teens are too easily swayed by peer pressure. If you build a quality product, its still too random whether they will decide on you product or not.

      Yes, even if you have a quality product like the iPod, the Nintendo DS or cell phones that do everything except cure cancer, teens are too random to gauge whether they will decide on your product or not. /sarcasm

    43. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      You make the assumption that the people who complain about the blockbusters DON'T support independent filmmakers. Maybe you're right maybe not. Personally I support a lot of indy films, on a whole I enjoy them a lot more then most of the big budget blockbusters. The last two DVDs I bought were Hard Candy and Brick... both excellent indy films.. I also have some big blockbusters in my collection... they're not ALL bad they can be entertaining, but if I'm looking for something worthwhile and intellectually interesting I personally stick to the indy flicks.

    44. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 1

      I love you man.

      You're the kind of guy I'd love to buy a beer.

      Keep on rocking!

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    45. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by JFMulder · · Score: 1

      less the 12.5% rebate that you get from shooting in New Zealand

      Is that a mail-in rebate or a coupon you have to use at the store?

    46. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by ErroneousBee · · Score: 1

      Most fast-food commercials star teens and are aimed at teens/young adults

      Nope, fast food adverts are aimed at the parents or young children, thats why they have silly Hamburglar toys, a kids zone and a health message. No sign of 13-18 at McDs, and BK are clearly targeting the 18-25 range, with workplace settings and .

      establishing their places as hang outs

      Did you do know that they design fast food places so that they drive people away after 20 minutes? The seats are hard, the music loops (and is pretty annoying anyway, we used to switch the tape when I did a summer job flipping burgers). The last thing these places want is a bunch of teens driving away other customers.

      Most video games are marketted toward teens.

      I agree, but you only see titles aimed at older players (Championship Manager, WWII games, The Sims) in the mainstream media. Stuff like Halo and WoW will be pushed in niche media, like gamer mags and review sites.

      If you hit the 18-year-old mark, you're likely to attract people anywhere from 13 to 28

      Perhaps for some products, but the overlap is tiny. A 25 year old is going to be looking at cars, consumer electronics, and financial products, a 15 year old is looking to buy music and stuff to impress his/her mates.

      Take a look at which music gets advertised on mainstream TV, its all Muse, Jack Johnson, KT Tunstall and aimed at the 20-30 segment.

      Seriously, its a bit 'media studies' but have a critical look at the adverts on busses, and on mainstream TV (e.g. Lost or Buffy) and have a little thing about whether a 15year old is being targetted by the advert.

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    47. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by ErroneousBee · · Score: 1
      Try visiting a college campus at the beginning of a new semester.

      So I have to travel to a certain place at at certain time of year to see teens being advertised too?

      I'm sorry but Banana Republic, Tommy Hilfiger and specialized retailers like Hot Topic disagree.

      And they are always on TV, and in the press, pushing product?. They may have products aimed at teens, but they dont work to get a universal brand recignition like Nike and Levis do. Ive never even heard of Hot Topic, so their mass marketting must be so niche it never appears in the mainstream media.

      have you completely ignored the massive amounts of 80's cartoon remakes lately?

      Its hard to ignore something thats targetted at me. Thats me being a 30-something who saw the original cartoons. I dont know why you think the Xmen/Spiderman/Superman films are being targetted at teens, when the principle audience is people who read the comics 15 years ago.

      When was the last time you saw a senior citizens aimed advertisement? UK TV is always running a denture cream advert, dont see many teen targetted ads outside of niche channels, though.

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    48. Re:I'd call this a smart move. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So I have to travel to a certain place at at certain time of year to see teens being advertised too?

      Its called targeted marketing. College = teenage students. Economics 101.

      And they are always on TV, and in the press, pushing product?. They may have products aimed at teens, but they dont work to get a universal brand recignition like Nike and Levis do. Ive never even heard of Hot Topic, so their mass marketting must be so niche it never appears in the mainstream media.

      Tommy Hilfiger had a HUGE TV marketing blitz a few years back, Banana Republic is big on magazines and Hot Topic is well known through word of mouth, the internet and its niche marketing. Don't blame me if all you see if the mass market, aimed at all audiences, mainstream advertising.

      Its hard to ignore something thats targetted at me. Thats me being a 30-something who saw the original cartoons. I dont know why you think the Xmen/Spiderman/Superman films are being targetted at teens, when the principle audience is people who read the comics 15 years ago.

      You need to visit a comic book store, Xmen/Spiderman/Superman hasn't exactly gone out of print.

      dont see many teen targetted ads outside of niche channels, though.

      Um, thats the whole point of targetted ads. To put/make advertising where the audience is. You don't see commericals for a new rap CD on channels that plays old western movies do you?

  2. What huh? by iolaus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did I read that right? Did the movie studios just make a good decision?

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    1. Re:What huh? by Amiga+Lover · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Did I read that right? Did the movie studios just make a good decision?

      They left out the most important bit of news - Fox and Universal have now gone to Uwe Boll to get the movie made.

    2. Re:What huh? by gstoddart · · Score: 1
      They left out the most important bit of news - Fox and Universal have now gone to Uwe Boll to get the movie made.

      Careful, he might challenge you to a boxing match. I hear he throws a mean punch. :-P
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    3. Re:What huh? by Dhalka226 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Did I read that right? Did the movie studios just make a good decision?

      Yes. Rest assured their lawyers are working diligently on who to sue so such a good decision never happens again.

    4. Re:What huh? by Lactoso · · Score: 1
      "Did I read that right? Did the movie studios just make a good decision?"

      Actually, they're just trying to be faithful to the game (online version at least). They have just performed the ultimate TK (Team Kill)...

  3. $200 million-couldn't have anything to do with it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe this is in fact the first glimpse of sanity in the $$ bloated film world, We can hope

  4. Odd by otacon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seems like an odd choice considering Peter Jackson's track record with making money (LoTR, King Kong) and the popularity of Halo.

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    1. Re:Odd by JBHarris · · Score: 1
      Seems like an odd choice considering Peter Jackson's track record with making money (LoTR, King Kong) and the popularity of Halo.
      Good Game != Good Movie

      Doom, Mario Bros, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, RE2, I could go on. These where great games, but the movies sucked. Even though Halo was a fantastic game with a well written script & plot, 90% of the game was the same thing over & over. Shoot, hunt, shoot, hide, repeat. Doesn't make for a good movie.

      Brad
    2. Re:Odd by Bandman · · Score: 1

      I'd say the odd choice was for Jackson and Walsh to produce this.

    3. Re:Odd by otacon · · Score: 1

      Oh wait a sec, I said it seemed like an "odd" choice, I never said "bad" choice. I agree with you totally, it's just history shows that most movies are made with little thought and a lot of money.

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    4. Re:Odd by ProppaT · · Score: 2, Informative

      Peter Jackson isn't behind it, he's "co-executive producer" which pretty much means he was like "Wow, I like Halo...awesome, let me attach my name to this movie." It's not like he's directing it or had anything to do with the screenplay.

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    5. Re:Odd by EvilMonkeySlayer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Wow, I like money...awesome, let me attach my name to this movie."

      Fixed that for you.

    6. Re:Odd by Volante3192 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If producers had nothing to do with the end product, though, mentioning the names Berman and Braga to trekkies would be inconsequential rather than invoke frothing at the mouth.

    7. Re:Odd by twistedsymphony · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're forgetting the part where the Halo games actually had a worthwhile plot, in addition to a substantial amout of backstory and a series of execlently written books and graphic novels. you can't say that about Doom, Mario Bros, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, or RE2.

    8. Re:Odd by hador_nyc · · Score: 1
      Good Game != Good Movie Doom, Mario Bros, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, RE2, I could go on. These where great games, but the movies sucked. Even though Halo was a fantastic game with a well written script & plot, 90% of the game was the same thing over & over. Shoot, hunt, shoot, hide, repeat. Doesn't make for a good movie.

      Yeah, I loved the Wing Commander series, but have you seen the movie? Ugh!
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    9. Re:Odd by oahazmatt · · Score: 1
      Peter Jackson isn't behind it, he's "co-executive producer" which pretty much means he was like "Wow, I like Halo...awesome, let me attach my name to this movie." It's not like he's directing it or had anything to do with the screenplay.
      Good point. I learned not to trust Peter Jackson after I saw his name attached to the DVD for Cabin Fever.
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    10. Re:Odd by ProppaT · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Zing!

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    11. Re:Odd by tb3 · · Score: 1

      There's a huge difference between 'producer' and 'executive' producer.
      A producer actually gets their hands dirty on the project, for better or worse.
      An executive producer just takes money and gets their name in the credits. It's a way to pay off people.

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    12. Re:Odd by nasch · · Score: 1

      He has stated that he will not allow the movie to go forward without a great script. Weta is already working on designs for props. Either he's lying, or he's deeply involved with the movie.

    13. Re:Odd by sideshow · · Score: 1

      If producers had nothing to do with the end product, though, mentioning the names Berman and Braga to trekkies would be inconsequential rather than invoke frothing at the mouth.
       
      The key here is the "executive" part. Producers are extremely involved but executive producers just lend their name and (usually) write a big ol' check.

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    14. Re:Odd by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also, the rules are different for TV vs. film. I've heard it said that film is a director's medium - what you see on screen is, for the most part, the director's vision. Television is a producer's medium - each episode is done by a different director, and the producer (not the director) is responsible for putting everything together after the footage has been shot.

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    15. Re:Odd by ProppaT · · Score: 1

      Cabin Fever was a terrific movie, people just were confused about what the movie was going to be going into it. Peter Jackson's quote was off kilter, but as a whole Cabin Fever was a good exercise in how to create a comedic horror flick. In this sense, it was probably the best entry in the genre sense the Evil Dead films.

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    16. Re:Odd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, I don't even care who the director is, foaming at the mouth over a producer just seems bizarre.

    17. Re:Odd by oahazmatt · · Score: 1
      Cabin Fever was a terrific movie, people just were confused about what the movie was going to be going into it. Peter Jackson's quote was off kilter, but as a whole Cabin Fever was a good exercise in how to create a comedic horror flick. In this sense, it was probably the best entry in the genre sense the Evil Dead films.
      Shouldn't a comedic horror movie make you laugh and cringe? Y'know, like Pulse?

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    18. Re:Odd by coredog64 · · Score: 1

      The key here is the "executive" part. Producers are extremely involved but executive producers just lend their name and (usually) write a big ol' check.

      In a way, it makes sense to base some decisions on who the producers are. For example, if I liked the movies "Attack of the $FOO" and "Revenge of the $BAR" (note, these aren't sequels) and they share an executive producer with "Night of the living $BAZ" then I'll probably like "Night of the living $BAZ".

      It's kind of like buying mutual funds -- "past performance is no guarantee of future returns" but big names who win more than they lose wind up with more customers.

    19. Re:Odd by NicciYahweh · · Score: 1

      Actually, Peter Jackson seems like he's getting into this. In addition to the movie, he is working with Microsoft on two new 360 games, one of which is a Halo game that is "not a game and not a film." http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/unnamedpete rjacksonhaloproject/news.html?sid=6158890 And remember, his Weta Workshop is involved.

  5. Glad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I for one am glad. They would just ruin the game by making a lame movie about.

    1. Re:Glad by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't forget the lame videogame tie-in that would come out, too...

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    2. Re:Glad by Dreddy+Schwager · · Score: 1

      How would a bad movie ruin a good game that has already come out? It's not like the movie is going to go and tweak the gameplay mechanics.

    3. Re:Glad by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 1

      You mean like Street Fighter: The Movie?

      The game based upon the movie based upon the game?

    4. Re:Glad by Misfit+Taz · · Score: 1

      > How would a bad movie ruin a good game that has already come out?
      > It's not like the movie is going to go and tweak the gameplay mechanics.

      You could change the movie so that the main character can auto aim, and jump 40'... yah me H4x0r ski11z r dat g00d.

  6. dooms was great by raffe · · Score: 3, Funny

    I played doom before halo. Doom rocked it was...wait....movie???? Doom the movie sucked!

    1. Re:dooms was great by arthurpaliden · · Score: 1

      The only good thing about the the Doom movie was the 'Rocks' attitude/camp.

  7. Plus... by NitsujTPU · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Plus movies made after video games aren't exactly destined to become classics.

    1. Re:Plus... by LilWolf · · Score: 1

      movies made after video games aren't exactly destined to become classics.

      Well, maybe classic flops.

    2. Re:Plus... by Master+Ben · · Score: 1

      tsk tsk. How soon you forget Super Mario Bros.

    3. Re:Plus... by danpsmith · · Score: 1
      Plus movies made after video games aren't exactly destined to become classics.

      I don't know, I always found Super Mario Bros. to be quite a fine piece of cinema. John Leguizamo as Luigi, BRILLIANT!

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    4. Re:Plus... by NitsujTPU · · Score: 1

      Ahh, the redundant fifth or sixth post. Brilliant.

  8. $200 million?! by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 4, Funny

    That film's going to be the most bloated Microsoft product yet!

    1. Re:$200 million?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You haven't seen the new MS Office yet.

    2. Re:$200 million?! by mgblst · · Score: 1

      You don't think it costs more than that to produce Windows XP or Windows Vista?

    3. Re:$200 million?! by Lex-Man82 · · Score: 1

      Film bloatware does that mean it'll be twenty four hours long like one of those art movies.

  9. Culprits? by jginspace · · Score: 1

    "A ballooning budget (rumored to have been closing in on the $200 Mil mark) and apparent lack of confidence in rookie feature film director Neill Blomkamp are being named the major culprits for Fox and Universal's decision."

    Surely it's "...major factors behind Fox and Universal's decision"?

    1. Re:Culprits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Poorly edited article in general. Bungie is misspelled (they spelled it like the actual stretchy cord, not the way that the Bungie company spells it's name.

      Also, from the last sentence, I'm sure people not familiar with Halo are wondering what the hell a "pace marine" is...

  10. Good Move by vjmurphy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Spending 200 million on an untried director with a video-game property. Yep, I'd pull out quicker than you could say "Uwe Boll."

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    1. Re:Good Move by ToxikFetus · · Score: 4, Funny
      Yep, I'd pull out quicker than you could say "Uwe Boll."
      ooo-weee? oh-weee? you-vee? oh crap....
    2. Re:Good Move by Relyx · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except we are talking Neil Blomkamp here.

      He's not exactly what I would call an "untried director." His background is in high-profile commercials, particularly ones featuring photoreal mecha such as the dancing Citroen transformer. His showreel is very, very impressive (check out his documentary-style short film "Alive in Joburg".)

    3. Re:Good Move by SamSim · · Score: 2, Informative

      I realise you're probably joking, but FYI it's pronounced "Oo-vah".

    4. Re:Good Move by rk · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe they should get Marty DiBergi to direct. He was the one who made those commercials where the little dog chases the covered wagon under the sink.

      I think he made a documentary about some old heavy metal band, too.

    5. Re:Good Move by talonyx · · Score: 1

      Hey, at least this new director doesn't go around punching Internet celebrities in the face.

    6. Re:Good Move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer the native pronunciation "ah-ss-ha-t"

    7. Re:Good Move by modeless · · Score: 1

      Everyone is comparing creating one 30-second special effect with assembling a $200 million 140-minute live-action feature film. These are two completely different jobs. Has nobody noticed that his showreel includes basically zero footage of *actors*? Sure, his special effects shots are second to none, but that's a function of the special effects studio as much if not more than the director. Even Alive in Joburg is just a collection of special-effects shots; plot is thin and acting is limited to motion-capture.

      For all we know, this guy could be as bad at directing live actors as George Lucas! If I had $200 million, I wouldn't spend it on a feature film directed by this guy until I'd seen at least a few tens of minutes of footage featuring real actors and a plot. (Though if I wanted an edgy commercial featuring photoreal special effects, I'd have no problem hiring him. That Citroen commercial was sweet.)

  11. It has to be said... by SethEaston · · Score: 5, Funny

    This movie was DOOMed from the begining!

    1. Re:It has to be said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The cancellation set a QUAKE through Hollywood!

    2. Re:It has to be said... by BenjiTheGreat98 · · Score: 1

      They PACked it up and went home, MAN.

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    3. Re:It has to be said... by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      They PACked it up and went home, MAN.

      Sorry, but that one Mrs.

  12. Recipe For Failure by Jekler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Trying to turn a game into a movie is destined to fail. Very few games are ever thought-out fully to the extent necessary for a complete story to be composed that will satisfy the masses. They're usually thought-out to the extent that a gamer in the mindset of "Whatever... what's next?" wants to comprehend.

    When you turn a game into a movie, the person watching isn't just waiting to get to the next level/area/mission, they might actually be interested in what's going on.

    1. Re:Recipe For Failure by cgenman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem isn't that games lack intricate plot. The fact of the matter is that interesting story developments come unexpectedly, and unexpected behaviors have a habit of making games unpredictable and therefore unplayable. Likewise, the most gripping of plot elements revolve around tortured interpersonal decision making. Unfortunatley, not only can you not enforce those decisions on the player, most of those decisions are completely impossible to simulate on a d-pad.

      When working with games, you have to work within the medium. You wouldn't go to a stage production and complain that the special effects are weak.

      That having been said, it is possible to translate a property from one medium to the other. They may not have enough plot right out of the box, but that's why you pay writers. Halo is essentially an amalgomation of Ridley Scott and Paul Verhoeven movies: Aliens, Starship Troopers, a little Robocop. They took what would work in the medium, stripped out the rest, filled in all of the holes with gameplay goodness, and polished, polished, polished. Just make Master Chief some sort of tortured semi robotic slave hero, out to save the universe because he's being forced to. Throw in a bunch of conflicted compatriots, a callously killing race of aliens which they're in some strange way saving from The Flood (which, in turn, is being saved from the Halo destruction of all things), and you have the basis for a plot.

      So far most game movies have been turds. But considering the plot they had decided to shoot, and the skill with which they were shot, I'd be surprised if any of those directors could create something that wasn't terrible.

    2. Re:Recipe For Failure by boarsai · · Score: 1

      Unless the main char in the game has huge brea... er... personality. Some pixels translate to the cinematic screen better then others... or should I say pyramid polygons?

    3. Re:Recipe For Failure by SamSim · · Score: 1
      Very few games are ever thought-out fully to the extent necessary for a complete story to be composed that will satisfy the masses.

      Yeah, you'd need to create a whole realistic universe, credible premises, believable characters, intertwining plot lines. As you say, very few games have that. There's only, what, Deus Ex, Halo... Oh, wait.

    4. Re:Recipe For Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that ruins the whole "Master Chief" thing. Instead you'd have "Mistress Chief." Hmm... interesting I think Steve Hirsch would direct that one.

    5. Re:Recipe For Failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on the genre. Tell me you couldn't make a "Monkey Island" movie, let alone "Grim Fandango". Hell, you could take a straight play-through of "Grim Fandango" and release it as a movie to wide acclaim.

      Now, trying to make a plotless shooter into a movie... yeah, you have a point there. But every game isn't Doom or Halo.

  13. Who needs a big Halo movie? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We've already got lots of little Halo movies which, I suspect, are far better than anything Hollywood could do with it.

    1. Re:Who needs a big Halo movie? by blatant+gizmo · · Score: 1

      Awesome; that's exactly right.

      And let's be honest: even $200MM won't make the transition of Halo from gaming screen to big screen work. Its popularity is mostly do to online/live gameplay, which has nothing to do with the underlying plot of the Campaign. It's mostly just running around killing other players, which, while fun as hell, is not necessarily something I want to watch for 90 minutes without being able to play myself*. I say thank goodness. This film was destined for a double-kill, at the box office and with fans, only nobody wins.

      *I admit, however, that gaming as a spectator sport is actually pretty fantastic. I guess I just don't want to see Brad Pitt as "The Chief", while some busty blonde gets thrown in for the obligatory love interest.

  14. Nothing to see here.. by cybrthng · · Score: 1

    just normal "business" in the movie industry...

  15. Why doesn't Microsoft Fund this? by 9mm+Censor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The budget is pretty much petty cash for MS. And entering the entertainment business means they can influence the business even more, towards MS online distribution (less iTunes, more M(S)P3s Online), and compete even more with Sony to push them out of the console market, to help the XBox360.

    1. Re:Why doesn't Microsoft Fund this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if Microsoft funded it, they'd have to pay through the nose to get a major distributor to actually distribute the film to movie houses. Microsoft only likes a situation when they're beneficiary of limited access to a property (such as the Windows desktop). They don't like to be on the other end of that stick.

    2. Re:Why doesn't Microsoft Fund this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They wouldn't want to be held responsible if the movie bombed. It's MS we're talking about here, the supreme kings of delegation of responsibility.

  16. Don't worry, guys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    No need to worry, everyone. This is Fox. I'm sure if enough of us buy the DVDs they'll realize their mistake and start making it again.

    1. Re:Don't worry, guys. by Leviance · · Score: 1

      didnt happen with firefly...

    2. Re:Don't worry, guys. by johnsmith_12345 · · Score: 1

      Again with the salt.

      Stop reminding me how much I hate fox....

      ARRRGGGGGGGGGG

  17. That sucks. by Skudd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A lot of people would argue that turning a video game into a movie on the big screen isn't a good idea. I, however, feel as though the Halo storyline (at least from Halo #1) is adequate for a very impressive film.

    I was looking forward to the release of the movie, and actually had intention to see it in the theaters. I guess that's a far-fetched idea, now.

    1. Re:That sucks. by JohnnyBigodes · · Score: 1

      That would be assuming that the story-to-movie conversion was done with the same ambience, character personality, etc.

      As we all know from many many failed examples where the directors/whatever gutted or mutated the original work to fit their "vision", that barely ever happens. Just about the only "perfect" translation was Sin City. The rest are some few good efforts and a whole lot of terrible ones.

      When will the studios, producers, and directors learn to leave the original stories and characters alone? Seems pretty straightforward logic to me: if the [comic/game] was successful, then it the original plot might (hint hint) have been just perfect as it was.

      Even though I'd love to be proven wrong, every time that I see that comic X or game Y is going to be turned into a movie, I just cringe when imagining the predictable end result.

    2. Re:That sucks. by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      You might be interested in hearing that the fourth Halo book was recently released. And it's by Eric Nyland, the *good* author. (Sorry, but the novelization of the game SUCKED! The other two books were pretty good.)

      Anyway, I'm disappointed, too. After seeing them in the video game, and described in the books, I'd really like to see what a million dollar budget could do with an Elite, or Hunter or Ghost or Banshee with plasma blaring. Love or hate the Halo game, you gotta love the character and vehicle designs.

    3. Re:That sucks. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      When the movie was started MS/Bungie had a huge list of requirements detailing the Halo universe and the rules a movie would have to obey. I think that may be part of the reason why it's so difficult to get the movie industry interested in this since they can't butcher it.

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  18. They should've hired... by madhatter256 · · Score: 1

    Fox/Universal should've hired Uwe Boll to direct/write the movie. Then Halo would have, at least, been released. Although I'm not saying that the movie would've been any good because it's halo.

    Actually, it would've been better if the guys from Red vs Blue worked on the movie. At least the movie would really be similar to the game.

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  19. They can do this? by Thansal · · Score: 1

    wow...

    I always assumed that there were contracts and stuff that stoped them from just going "well, we changed our mind.... BYE!"

    meh, some one else will pick it up. cmon it is a Jackson and Halo, 2 huge names, some one must be willing to bite.

    note I am not a huge fan of Jackson, I only realy like the LotR movies, and I hate Halo, but still.

    it is bound to make money.

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    1. Re:They can do this? by AcidLacedPenguiN · · Score: 1

      s'pose this has something to do with the Halo game that Jackson is making? Or rather, that the Halo game Jackson is working on has something to do with the movie budgeting?

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  20. Re:other factors by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would imagine the whole "partnering" with Microsoft thing to be a factor, too.

    Why do you imagine that? Because Microsoft can't make, supply, or be shrewdly involved in entertainment-related material like Halo? Or because you don't like MS, and it feels good to say that? What's your actual thinking, and why is this +1 "informative" anyway?

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  21. Dear God... by poormanjoe · · Score: 1

    ...won't somone think of the children?!

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  22. Nonstarter by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 4, Funny

    Once they named Paris Hilton to play Cortana I knew the movie wouldn't make it.

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  23. love halo..hope it stays dead by grapeape · · Score: 1

    Until I see a good video game based movie I would prefer they just leave Halo alone. The closest I have seen to a good video game movie was the original Mortal Combat and it wasnt exactly oscar material.

    1. Re:love halo..hope it stays dead by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Well come on, there is good movies, and then there is Oscar material. If you go and see a video game movie and expect Oscar material, then you will always be disappointed.

      Another point, as with all movies I go see these days, set your expectations low.

    2. Re:love halo..hope it stays dead by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      Point is, Halo's story *could* be Oscar material.

  24. Movies would cost much less to produce ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if the participants stopped living like kings.

    Excessive affluence has cost us many great works.

    1. Re:Movies would cost much less to produce ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And who would then rake in the money that the movie makes? The studios? They do that anyway, and of course they financed the whole thing, so I guess they deserve some of it. But don't you think that some of the people actually doing the work also deserve compensation that has some correlation to the overall amount of money earned? And if a big name actor increases the chances of recouping the investment--well why shouldn't they get a ton of cash thrown at them for their services?

  25. Good riddance by krell · · Score: 1

    I find an ever increasing reduncancy between a videogame with hi-res state-of-the-art graphics, and a movie of such a game. There's a diminishing narrow gap between seeing such a movie, and the demo mode of the actual game. Let's see Peter Jackson work on something else, please.

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  26. Halo has an amazing story by Hubbell · · Score: 1

    If anyone ever took the time to read the books as well as watch the cutscenes in both games, they are very well done and the backstory of Halo lends it to being very easily turned into a motion picture that won't suck.

    1. Re:Halo has an amazing story by casualsax3 · · Score: 1
      There's a new book coming out this month by the way - http://www.amazon.com/Ghosts-Onyx-Halo-Eric-Nylund /dp/0765315688/sr=8-1/qid=1161355557/ref=pd_bbs_1/ 102-4236142-5637722?ie=UTF8&s=books

      The other books about Nylund were excellent - so I'm very much looking forward to this one.

    2. Re:Halo has an amazing story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hahaha. You're funny.

      If you think Halo has a good story, it must be the only game you have ever played. Hell, the GTA games had better stories than Halo.

  27. Well... by twoallbeefpatties · · Score: 1

    Fox and Universal, coming off a long season of shitty movies run by shitty directors, suddenly decide that it would be a bad idea to make a sci-fi epic with a potentially large cult audience, with the backing of one of the modern era's most successful names in fantasy epics... because they think the director's a newbie. Boy, smart move, there.

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    1. Re:Well... by DingerX · · Score: 1

      Heh. You know, huge sci-fi films don't always make bank, and well, video game titles may give you success, but brand awareness in the vid field does not directly translate into box-office sales. Besides, Microsoft from the start has tried to "play" Hollywood with their Halo title. So maybe this is Hollywood's way of saying "You don't play a player".

      And what kinda spoiled rich kid gets a $200M budget as his first real job? And do you really think he would do a good job? I mean, look at the president of the US!

  28. Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Peter Jackson is making a Halo videogame movie-tie-in.

  29. Am I the only one with confidence by The-Bus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Was I the only one who was thoroughly impressed with Mr. Blomkamp's short film Alive in Joburg ? I thought it was a nice mix of sci-fi and realism and would love to see more movies blending that style.

    Now, a budget of $200 million is a lot for any movie. Jackson's King Kong barely broke even, so he doesn't exactly have a perfect track record.

    But, let's use some crazy gorilla math. Alive in Joburg is about 6 minutes long. Make it 90 or 120 minutes long, and you've got twenty times the budget. (Mind you, I'm using crazy gorilla math). I don't think that short film cost $10 million. Hell, I doubt it even cost $200,000. I think if they worked on a budget first (say, $75 million), and then worked backwards from there, they can still have a great product.

    Just don't make the movie three hours long. Please.

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    1. Re:Am I the only one with confidence by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Just watched it, it is a great film.

      Short films have many advantages over feature films. They don't have to keep the viewer entertained as long, the plot is simple if it exists at all, character development isn't important, you can get away with dodgy scenes.

      Still, I am interested if he can escape from the usual hollywood crap.

  30. i have to disagree with you somewhat. by adam · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Video game movies do not always do well.. but they don't, "always do poorly," as you've stated. Sure, Doom barely broke even after dvd/vhs rental (yet they're making a second [last I heard].. so that says something). But Tomb Raider grossed $131M in the US alone, with another $60M in rental market (plus foreign box office, merchandising, etc). With a production budget of $80M, that's a nifty return. I do agree with you though, the $141M budget that the article quotes is quite excessive for the genre. When examining whether it will be profitable you have to look at many things, and just being a video game movie isn't enough to doom you (no pun intended) to failure.

    If you look at the current trend, it seems that video game movies are getting pretty popular. Comic book movies have become insanely popular in the last 5-8 yrs and it seems to me virtually anything comic book related at all gets automatic greenlight nowadays (GHOST RIDER? I'd never even heard of this comic before I saw the trailer-- granted, i am not a comic fan, but certainly part of the draw of comic movies is a base association with a variety of users beyond just hardcore fans). Anyway, I digress, my point is simply, maybe executives are seeing some possibilities/trends in video game movies, --at least this is my conclusion based off the number that are slated for production currently..

    the list below was shamelessly poached from a wikipedia list i found, and then edited to remove probably 10-15 video games i don't recognize [see last paragraph for my reasoning behind this]

    * Castlevania (2007)
    * Doom 2 (TBA)
    * Driver (2006)
    * Duke Nukem: The Movie (TBA)
    * Far Cry (2008)
    * Halo (2008)
    * Max Payne (2007)
    * MechWarrior (TBA)
    * Metal Gear Solid (2008)
    * Metroid (2006)
    * Mortal Kombat: Devastation (2007)
    * Pac-Man (2007)
    * Perfect Dark (2008)
    * Quake (TBA)
    * Resident Evil: Extinction (2007)
    * Resident Evil 4 (2007)
    * Return to Castle Wolfenstein (TBA)
    * Splinter Cell (2006)
    * Tekken (2007)
    * Tomb Raider III (TBA)
    * Untitled WarCraft Project (2008)

    So, anyway, for the most part, I agree with you.. they have their work cut out for them, but I believe is the storyline does its own thing (And doesn't stick too much to the exact game), with Jackson behind it, it could do quite well.

    Also, as an aside, I have you "friended" on /., and do thoroughly enjoy reading most of your comments. This is the first time i've had the chance to reply to a "friend," since I mostly lurk (and generally only post in articles relating to digital cinema, or film stuff.. since that is what I do). Keep up the good comments ;)

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    1. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Sure, Doom barely broke even after dvd/vhs rental (yet they're making a second [last I heard].. so that says something).

      FWIW, I actually thought Doom was the best video game movie ever made. I was especially impressed by the training they received to "look" like real soldiers. If it hadn't pumped up the expectations for extreme violence so much, it probably would have done even better.

      But Tomb Raider grossed $131M in the US alone, with another $60M in rental market (plus foreign box office, merchandising, etc). With a production budget of $80M, that's a nifty return.

      Let's be honest, though. Tomb Raider sold heavily on sex appeal rather than story line. The movie itself was less than spectacular.

      If we ignore that and take the profits at face value, then we're still nowhere near close enough to make a $200,000,000 movie. The total return on Tomb Raider was less than it would cost to finance a $200,000,000 movie, much less make a profit on it. :(

      I believe is the storyline does its own thing

      I agree completely. The story is key to making a good movie. Traditionally, Comic Book movies only did so-so themselves. That is, until some real talent started stepping up to the plate and adding incredible storytelling behind them. However, comic books have incredible amounts of storyline to pick and chose from. Video Games do not have that luxury, and may even be unsuitable for live-action. (Witness: Super Mario Bros.) In addition, many comic books are culturally iconic, allowing them to reach an audience far beyond the actual readership. This is something that video games rarely share.

      Also, as an aside, I have you "friended" on /., and do thoroughly enjoy reading most of your comments. This is the first time i've had the chance to reply to a "friend," since I mostly lurk (and generally only post in articles relating to digital cinema, or film stuff.. since that is what I do). Keep up the good comments ;)

      Actually, that double-green bubble means that I'm a friend of a friend. You never actually marked me as such. But thank you for your kind words. I'd try to keep my comment quality high. :)
    2. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 4, Funny

      Video game movies are bad ideas. The game is made for interactive play with a story line usually tacked on out of obligation. I'm glad Fox wised up (now if they could just dump their news division). I suspect that some consultants are going to studio heads and pushing the "Look how video games have become a $x billion dollar industry. Look at the demographics! You'd be a fool not to make crappy movies based on them." I'm surprised they aren't soing "World of Warcraft" or "Grand Theft Auto".

      I'm still waiting for "Pac Man, The Movie" starring John Goodman as a man with an uncontrolable appetite who is literally haunted by ghosts from his past. Oh shit, I just spotted it on your list. Please god, send that asteroid now!

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    3. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Informative

      FWIW, I actually thought Doom was the best video game movie ever made. I was especially impressed by the training they received to "look" like real soldiers.

      That's just really, REALLY sad. Take it from a real soldier: they "looked" like a bunch of second-rate actors trying way too hard, and failing miserably. The special effects were the only cool thing about the whole movie, and the "kill mode" part (or whatever you want to call it) killed even that. I'm a huge fan of Halo, but seeing the fiasco that Doom got turned into actually makes me wish that they'd scrap the Halo movie. After playing the game and reading the books, I REALLY don't need to be traumatized by seeing it raped on the big-screen.

    4. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      Tying it to a franchise is no guarantee of failure or success, just that more people will be aware of it and receptive to it.

      A movie still has to be good in it's own right to succeed. Many filmmakers/studios seem to forget that, stick the entire budget into buying the rights, and then fail to get a decent writer/director/actors for it.

    5. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by syndsys · · Score: 1

      Actually they are doing a World of Warcraft movie... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0803096/

    6. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by nasch · · Score: 1

      You're making two assumptions. The first is that the only way to make a movie based on a video game is to directly take the game and plop it onto the screen. Clearly this makes a bad movie, but it is not the only option. The second assumption is that video game-based movies must be crappy. I don't think Doom was crappy, but 1) I'm a Doom fan so perhaps don't have a good perspective on it and 2) I don't think it was so good that it should be obvious to everyone that it's not crappy. HOWEVER, the fact that the best video game movie to date is not clearly good doesn't mean all of them in the future must suck. I believe Halo will be made, and with Peter Jackson on board I believe it will be an excellent movie. He has stated that he and Fran will not allow the movie to go forward without a great script, which is good enough for me.

    7. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by nasch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Argh, why not StarCraft?? So much material there to make a movie from!

    8. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by JaWiB · · Score: 1

      In the case of Halo, however, there are actually several novels "tacked on"

    9. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by DragonWriter · · Score: 1
      Let's be honest, though. Tomb Raider sold heavily on sex appeal rather than story line. The movie itself was less than spectacular.
      I don't know, compared to the other video game movies I've seen, Tomb Raider was far and away superior in every way. Sure, sure, Angelina Jolie is easy on the eyes, but its not like many video game movies don't aim to provide that kind of eye candy and use it as a selling point (and, to be fair, in both Tomb Raider and many other video game franchise movies, it'd be hard to be even remotely faithful to the source material otherwise.)
      The total return on Tomb Raider was less than it would cost to finance a $200,000,000 movie, much less make a profit on it.
      Well, sure, so if the extra $120 million spent on it wouldn't provide any increase in quality that would affect box office, it wouldn't be well spent. OTOH, I don't think its all that reasonable to conclude that because an $80 million dollar movie wouldn't have made a profit if nothing was changed but the cost was $200 million, that a $200 million movie in the same genre can't make a profit.
    10. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by geobeck · · Score: 1

      * Duke Nukem: The Movie (TBA)

      In this case, TBA = right after Duke Nukem Forever?

      ...or, in more concrete terms, when the only people left to watch it are enslaved by sentient apes in the shadow of the broken remains of Lady Liberty?

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    11. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by syndsys · · Score: 1

      How about Starcraft 2 the game... I will be an old man before this is made and sadly there will probably be a World of Starcraft before Starcraft 2. Why would Blizzard ever make another non-mmorpg game after all the bills they are racking in from WoW?

    12. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by omeomi · · Score: 5, Funny

      * Duke Nukem: The Movie (TBA)

      Ha! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

      Man, I'm gonna start announcing Duke Nukem products that I have no serious intent or means to bring to market. Duke Nukem airlines, anyone? How about Duke Nukem cola?

    13. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 0, Troll
      Also, as an aside, I have you "friended" on /., and do thoroughly enjoy reading most of your comments. Kiss, kiss, hug and crap.

      Get a room.

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    14. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by KDR_11k · · Score: 1

      Naah, a Warhammer 40k movie wouldn't be any fun without the Orkz.

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    15. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1
      Video game movies do not always do well.. but they don't, "always do poorly," as you've stated. Sure, Doom barely broke even after dvd/vhs rental (yet they're making a second [last I heard].. so that says something). But Tomb Raider grossed $131M in the US alone, with another $60M in rental market (plus foreign box office, merchandising



      Umm, I hate to break this to you, but the main reason I and millions of other men went to see Tomb Raider was to watch Angelina bounce around in tight clothing. I and many many of those others didn't go see Doom or any other video game movie. A video game movie simply isn't a draw to most people. So using Tomb Raider as an example of how profitable an average video-game movie can be not entirely valid. Unless they were going to cast Denise Richards as the Master Chief, and replace that heavily padded combat armored with some spandex/licra, IMHO there's no way in hell they are going to recoup 200 million on that movie.

    16. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by ipxodi · · Score: 1

      -->Unless they were going to cast Denise Richards as the Master Chief, and replace that heavily padded combat armored with some spandex/licra--

      Dear god. And it would still suck. Denise Richards is quite possibly a worse actress than Paris Hilton -- and sorry, even her boobs can't make up for completely awful "acting". Did you not see her in the Bond movie? Nuclear Scientist? I've never laughed so hard in my life.

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    17. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by MattHawk · · Score: 1

      "I'm surprised they aren't soing "World of Warcraft""

      Actually, they are. It's scheduled to come out in 2008 (though given Blizzard's track record, I'd put my money on 2009 over 2008).

      Not sure it's a good move though - I have my doubts as to whether they'll be able to pry most of the people playing WoW away from their computers long enough to watch a movie. Maybe they'll need to have wireless in the theater so they can all play from their seats. Or give out cards to each person that attends that gives them a % chance of getting an item for their character - you'd probably have people who'd keep buying tickets till they finally got the one item they wanted, even if they didn't bother going to the movie itself afterward :)

    18. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely the obvious one is Duke nukem gum???

    19. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      I think the South Park WoW episode is all we need. One of the funniest things I've ever seen. I almost fell off the couch watching it.

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    20. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Surely the obvious one is Duke nukem gum???

      I tried to get some, but the store was all out.
    21. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I understand two episodes have already been released online!

    22. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could sell it in-game! Build cinemas in the towns, bill players who go in...

    23. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by kbg · · Score: 4, Funny

      No this is the ultimate Pac Man Movie :)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWL6j0SvqV0

    24. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by CaseM · · Score: 1

      Duke Nukem: The Movie (TBA)

      Did anyone else find this one as amusing as I did? ;)

    25. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      Tomb raider did well because of teh boobies!

    26. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1
      Take it from a real soldier: they "looked" like a bunch of second-rate actors trying way too hard, and failing miserably.

      Come on, cut 'em some slack. They had to ham it up for the silver screen. They still got the basics down well enough not to come off as absolute caricatures of soldiers. (Like so many movies, where the characters don't even practice basic weapon handling/safety.) It's not Stargate SG-1, but then again, what is? ;)
    27. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by jafac · · Score: 1

      Given the backstory written by the game's creators' previous game (Marathon, Marathon II, Marathon Infinity) - there's a pathway, at least, for a Halo movie to be very highbrow, given the right talent to shape this creative content. (based on the Halo 3 trailer, there's a lot of speculation that the Halo storyline could head into a "Marathon-esqe" direction).

      Considering what Peter Jackson has done in the past (he was faithful to LOTR - but he didn't push much of the backstory (Silmarillion stuff). - and I think he was a bit over the top as far as visual heavy-handedness goes, but in that regard, he's merely a product of the cgi-intesnive movie-making zeitgeist) I'm not sure he could pull this kind of Halo adaptation off. But, in a "imagine a beowulf cluster of these" kind of way, the notion intrigues the fuck out of me - and might even generate a lot of highbrow critic-buzz when the picture's released.

      Or maybe they could turn the whole project into a complete farce and hand it over to Verhoven, or Joss Whedon. . . (I won't forgive Whedon for what he did to the Aliens franchise; no matter how much I loved Firefly).

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    28. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Well...allright, I guess the actors tried, it was probably mainly the script that stank. Hard to act like a soldier when the person writing your lines is clueless. Which is the case in most movies. However, I really didn't like the actor playing the main character. There was just something very wrong about him.

    29. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by jesterzog · · Score: 1

      I'm glad Fox wised up (now if they could just dump their news division).

      I thought Fox dumped their news division a long time ago.

    30. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget about Wing Commander... revolutionary game, terrible movie.

    31. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by Gossi · · Score: 1
      I'm still waiting for "Pac Man, The Movie"

      "PAC MAN" is actually in post production now. Theatrical trailer here: link.

    32. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by Private+Public · · Score: 1

      "Look how video games have become a $x billion dollar industry. Look at the demographics! I told the South Park boys to make a 'World of Warcraft' TV Show and it's the highest rated episode... EVER!"

    33. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 1
      Given the backstory written by the game's creators' previous game (Marathon, Marathon II, Marathon Infinity) - there's a pathway, at least, for a Halo movie to be very highbrow

      I thought you were sneaking in a Pathways reference, but then you didn't pursue it. What it really accidental?

    34. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by nasch · · Score: 1

      I fear you may be correct.

    35. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by jafac · · Score: 1

      Frog blast the vent core! :)

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    36. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 1

      Well, the first few Wing Commander moves were pretty good. It's just when they replaced Mark Hamill with that guy from Scooby Doo that things started to suck.

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    37. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are the books any good? because if they can make a good novelization of the premise, then with tallent they can make a good screen play - there's few tallents that big budget can't buy.

    38. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by LMariachi · · Score: 1
      Whedon is on record more than once as loathing Alien: Resurrection. Here's one quote:

      I just gave them dialogue and stuff, but I don't remember writing, "A withered, granny-lookin' Pumpkinhead-kinda-thing makes out with Ripley." Pretty sure that stage direction never existed in any of my drafts.
      So it's not really fair to blame him for that movie.
    39. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      I enjoyed them. They had a good story-line, and a fairly decent set of characters. They didn't over-focus on the battle aspect of it, but they also didn't get drawn off on irrelevant details or pointless plot twists. So, basically, yeah I thought they were good novels. It depends on what you like though, can't guarantee anyone else would enjoy them since the definitely fall into the sci-if-war genre.

    40. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by blahplusplus · · Score: 1

      "FWIW, I actually thought Doom was the best video game movie ever made."

      All I have to say is ouch... The best video game movies I thought were faithful to the spirit of the games were not the typical "movies".

      Street Fighter 2 (1994 I believe), an anime. Probably the best "faithful" translation of a gameworld to movie I have seen of a video game. Even Final fantasy: The Spirits within would rank above doom IMHO, and they murdered that movie to make it "mass market".

      I think the problem is that video game movies got a bad name because a lot of the early one's should NEVER have been made because they weren't made to be GOOD to begin with, they were made in a pathetic attempt by people who don't understand gamers nor video games to grab money as quickly as possible.

      Look at Super mario bros, Street fighter (The live action one), etc. I think the whole problem was that a) they were TOO early for their time... and b) the people that were in charge of making them had no understanding of how to capture the essence of the game in a movie to begin with.

      Street Fighter 2 live action could POTENTIALLY be a good movie, but I doubt it would make it would make mega $$$. Simply because it takes time for any idea or media to penetrate a population, it also has to be popular enough and people have to be fond of it enough to warrant making a movie out of it. Lastly, the movie better be entertaining and better capture the essence of the game, you can't have idiots that don't understand doing the work or you're just asking for failure.

      This isn't the video game industry where you get a license and make the most worthless piece of ass game and have it sell (The matrix I'm looking at you).

      With comics, Spiderman and X-men have had DECADES to incubate in a population from childhood to adulthood, i.e. cartoons that mom, dad and the kids watched or caught wind of on saturday morning, or cartoon hour, etc. Spiderman cartoons had been around a looong time, I remember watching the REALLY old ones as a young kid and the better newer ones as I got older. So you get enough widespread interest among a wide range of people. Not all video games really will quite reached that threshold.

    41. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by Tz-Auber · · Score: 1

      Well they do need something to fund Duke Nukem Forever :)

    42. Re:i have to disagree with you somewhat. by jafac · · Score: 1

      Well, that was about my least favorite scene, so I'm glad I wasn't too far off. Thanks for that, maybe I *can* forgive. . .

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  31. He was only a producer in this one by hellfire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Peter Jackson's track record as a director is firmly established. However, as the submission said, he's not the director here. Slide Peter into the director's chair, and yes the equation does change.

    You have to understand, Hollywood's track record with movies based on game adaptations is not good. So when you say "I'm going to make a movie based on a game" you are already starting in a hole. To dig out of the hole, you have to get a great script, a strong proven director, and reasonably good cast.

    Then real hard part begins. You have to make sure the movie itself provides enough material to entertain fans of the game, stick to the over all idea of the original story, and then include enough quality to stand on a movie on it's own to draw in nonfans to make money. This is the hard part because while games don't typically require the same capital investment as movies (big name stars, directors, creative crew require much larger sums of money than your top notch game programmers).

    I'm not saying Neil is bad, but he's not got Peter's reputation. Writing a script that can do all this is hard, and the IMDB link says they've changed scriptwriters at least once. They haven't dug out of the hole, and Fox looks like it's not going to take the risk.

    If Peter looked like he had the same level of involvment in this project like he did in LotR, then this would be a great movie. It doesn't look like he does, and well he can't be perfect in all of his releases :) If it did come out bad, I'd rather it be axed now then damage his reputation later.

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    1. Re:He was only a producer in this one by garcia · · Score: 1

      Then real hard part begins. You have to make sure the movie itself provides enough material to entertain fans of the game, stick to the over all idea of the original story, and then include enough quality to stand on a movie on it's own to draw in nonfans to make money. This is the hard part because while games don't typically require the same capital investment as movies (big name stars, directors, creative crew require much larger sums of money than your top notch game programmers).

      I would love to have someone explain to me why a First Person oriented movie (Blair Witch Project) with a gun sticking out in front would cost nearly $200 million to create? Fuck, just have a bunch of pros play the fucking game for a $100,000 paycheck and output it to the movie screen.

      I'm sure it would be more interesting that way and I don't even give a shit about FPS or Halo.

    2. Re:He was only a producer in this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That, could be tough. Decent actors aren't going to want to spend the bulk of the movie in helmets behind mirrored faceplates where you can't see their faces. With good reason.

    3. Re:He was only a producer in this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Decent actors aren't going to want to spend the bulk of the movie in helmets behind mirrored faceplates where you can't see their faces. With good reason.

      Absolutely. You might get no-name nobodies, but there's no way you're going to persuade someone like Tom Hanks to appear in a movie where his face never appears once, right?

    4. Re:He was only a producer in this one by iNetRunner · · Score: 1

      Given that Peter Jackson wants to establish his own game studio and make a 'game like' experience (on an unknown platform) based in the Halo universe; I think that PJ has involved himself quite a lot in this movie..

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  32. Good news all round then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the basic rules for a happy cinema experience is never, ever, ever go and see a movie based on a computer game. There has never been one that wasn't a complete turkey. When Tomb Raider the movie came out (a fine example of a post content movie) you could smell the Brussels sprouts from two streets away. One less example of the genre can only possibly be a good thing. Plus it's a Microsoft project that looks like it won't see the light of day. Two major plus points in one news story.

  33. Office on the Big Screen by the_last_tmnt · · Score: 4, Funny

    Meanwhile, talks with Miramax still continue on the upcoming Office 2003 movie adaptation.

    1. Re:Office on the Big Screen by tygerstripes · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...with a working title of "Office Space".

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    2. Re:Office on the Big Screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Starring Jim Carrey as "Clippy"

    3. Re:Office on the Big Screen by rts008 · · Score: 1

      But how do you con an actor into the career-ending role of Clippy? Fran Dresher or Arthur Godfrey comes to mind.
      And you would want an appearence by MS Bob to tie in for the sequel.

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    4. Re:Office on the Big Screen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Miramax, they'll probably just end up cutting out Excel and Powerpoint from the final film and changing the name to MICROSOFT'S LEGEND OF PAPERWORK.

  34. People Forget - Halo was inspired by a book by stevedcc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok, so I know he isn't published in the USA, but Halo was at least partly inspired (http://marathon.bungie.org/Story/halo_culture.htm l) by an Iain M Banks book, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Consider-Phlebas-Iain-Bank s/dp/1857231384). I think this means that comparison's with films like DOOM is kind of unfair. Btw, Iain M Banks is one of the best sci fi authors alive. If you don't believe me, read it. An awesome book. Steve Crawford

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    1. Re:People Forget - Halo was inspired by a book by Culture · · Score: 1
      Iain M Banks is one of the best sci fi authors alive

      I have to disagree. Ian Banks is the best sci fi author alive :-).

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    2. Re:People Forget - Halo was inspired by a book by stevedcc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, ok. So I'll second that, Iain banks is the best sci fi author alive. I was just trying not to put potential readers off by dissing their own favourite authors.

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  35. So much for a game movie that doesn't suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Rats. I'd sort of figured that Halo stood a chance of being the "First computer game to movie adaptation that didn't completely stink". It's got a workable story and good characters, at least by sci-fi/action movie standards.

    Oh well, life goes on. I suppose what I'd really like to see instead of a Halo movie would be a movie based on Marathon. It's got massive colony ships, heroic cyborgs, unknown hostile aliens, and an insane AI. What more do you want?

    1. Re:So much for a game movie that doesn't suck by Thansal · · Score: 1

      wow, now I really need to go grab a copy of Marathon....

      your random description reminded me WAY to much of System Shock 2! Heh, though there was one thing that SS2 has that Marathon aparently does not. Psyonics!

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    2. Re:So much for a game movie that doesn't suck by filterban · · Score: 1
      You're exactly right. Marathon has one of the best plots of any game - let alone first person shooter - ever. It's the only game that actually caused me to tear up when I beat it because it was so fantastic.


      Marathon 2 and Marathon Infinity are both also great.


      For anyone who wants to check the game out, you should check out Aleph One, the OSS version of the game updated for new systems. It's still worth a play through for anyone who hasn't.


      Is it a coincidence that Bungie created (IMO) the two FPS's with the best storylines?

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    3. Re:So much for a game movie that doesn't suck by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1
      Heh. I was gonna say System Shock 2 as well. Hell, System Shock 1 or 2 or even Deus Ex would all make a better movie than Halo. ...well, so long as they dropped this bullshit "Hey! Let's make it PG-13 to make it widely available and strip it of all the shock, horror, gore, philisophical dialogue, and, you know, all that stuff that'd make it a good movie and not just some piece of shit action flick filled with one liners."

      But for the love of god, they'd have to change the ending of System Shock 2. I mean, ugh....
      Shodan: J-j-join me, human, and we can rrrrrr- we can rule together.
      Goggles: Nah.
      A Deus Ex movie would probably be easier and better to make since you, as the main character, have much more interaction with people. It would have to be condensed an awful lot but with all these damned trilogies nowadays, they could probably pull it off and include the story of Invisible War as well (don't know how good it is compared to the first but I've heard... ok things about it; much more so than the gameplay changes).
  36. Thank goodness by Cisko+Kid · · Score: 0

    Most movies that are based on video games bomb. Look at Doom, Mario Brothers or Wing Commander. The only one that I sort of liked was Silent Hill.

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  37. Second iteration... by jginspace · · Score: 1

    Looks like a cranky mod is getting "off topic" confused with "informative". The info certainly spurred me to find a more reliable source than The Guardian and I found this: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=68 947. Those damned Wikipedians have also been beavering away: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_(film) ... and I still couldn't find this putative "pace marine" anywhere.

  38. What I want to see... by BenSchuarmer · · Score: 3, Funny

    is a movie based on Free Cell. Think of the possibilities!!!

  39. No! Now Uwe Boll can pick it up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and create another horrible "masterpiece" that'll hit the $2 "please take it away from us" shelves.

  40. "Broke Even", eh? by MrChom · · Score: 4, Informative

    King Kong did not "barely break even", it's the 36th highest grossing film of all time with nearly $400m of profit to its name. The only way it could have been classed as break even is if you looked at US gross only without DVD sales.

    1. Re:"Broke Even", eh? by Seraphim1982 · · Score: 1

      King Kong did not "barely break even", it's the 36th highest grossing film of all time with nearly $400m of profit to its name.

      King Kong had a budget of just over $200m, and at the start of October had a worldwide gross of about $550m. That means if the studios got every dime of that $550m there would only be a $350m profit. When you take into account all the other people who get a piece of the pie, that $350m will shrink very quickly. So unless there was a MASSIVE number of DVDs bought in the last few weeks, there is no way that King Kong has made a $400m profit.

    2. Re:"Broke Even", eh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He didn't say who got the entire $400m of profit, just that there was $400m of profit, total.

  41. I don't get it by tygerstripes · · Score: 4, Funny
    Why don't they trust Peter Jackson to make this work? I mean, LotR wasn't a great game, but what a movie he made out of it!

    I've heard talk of book-adaptations, but that's just par for the course.

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  42. thin material by Warlock7 · · Score: 1

    Well, it's about time that somebody wakes up and realizes that the storyline of a video game is too thin to be attempting to base a feature length presentation on it. Perhaps the first Half-Life could be reasonable adapted, but that game was more about the story than the game in the first place.

    1. Re:thin material by digitalhermit · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well if you choose FPS games all the time, then of course the plotline will be pants.

      I'm just waiting for that intrepid investor to finance a feature film on games like PacMan, Nethack, Tetris, or Minesweeper. Imagine the nuance of emotion and storylines that can be pulled from such a project...

    2. Re:thin material by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too thin? Hardly. I'd say that most of the blockbuster summer popcorn flicks have thin stories as well... they amount to things like, "OMG, an asteroid is going to smash into the earth. Let's fly into space and blow it up!". You're giving Hollywood too much credit. I'd say it more a problem with the simple fact it is coming from a game. It's difficult to get good directors, actors, and writers to sign up for a movie based on a game. Why? I'm not sure exactly, but I think a bias still exists against games. If just once a game -> movie conversion could be done with a good director and decent actors I think the end result could be good. After that it would be easier, but we need the first successful one. In this case though, I think the budget was too high to warrant the risk, so I can't fault the move.

    3. Re:thin material by Warlock7 · · Score: 1

      I'm not giving Hollywood too much credit, I'm giving the movie going public too much credit.

      The only bias that good actors/directors/producers have against video game films is the lack of story line. Good actors/directors/producers want a good story as they understand that that's all the movie is. Being a blockbuster hardly qualifies a film to be good. All a blockbuster is, is a money maker and the mouth breathers generally go to those.

  43. What about Anime? by N8F8 · · Score: 1

    I'd rather see Halo as an Anime series.

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    1. Re:What about Anime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be a flop! Most people aren't into animated Japanese pornography.

  44. good plan by syrinx · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Considering Halo (and the whole XBox, really) was designed to appeal to people who had never played games before (as Penny Arcade put it once, the "drunken frat fuck"), and therefore thought things that had appeared in other games years before were suddenly "innovative", I don't think it would work out as a movie, since I think the market of "people who have never seen movies before" is rather limited.

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    1. Re:good plan by pandrijeczko · · Score: 0
      Cool! And I *REALLY* thought I was alone thinking this...

      I played and loved original Doom, Duke Nukem, Heretic, the Quakes, the Unreal (Tournaments) and original Half-Life on the PC and have never owned an X-Box to this day.

      One day, I went to a friend's house on his X-Box and we played Halo for four hours. Yep, it was good fun, don't get me wrong, but had nothing in it I hadn't seen before.

      I therefore couldn't understand the big "hooha" over Halo but can appreciate it was great for gamers who'd not played FPSes before.

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    2. Re:good plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be fair, there was some new stuff. Vehicles hadn't really been done well before (Tribes and some CS mods had them, but meh), and they did a nice job dumbing it down and making it easy for the console crowd (regenerating shields, autoaim, very slow movement, 2 weapons max, grenades on a separate button).

      Also split-screen co-op is pretty nice (though the contemporaneous Serious Sam did it better), you can overlook a lot of faults with a game if it has co-op.

      It also pioneered the "many identical corridors" school of alien installation defense - make the invaders get bored and give up :)

  45. This is just like Transformers. by JoshDM · · Score: 1

    Spielburg's name is attached, but who is directing the movie?

    Michael Bay.

    1. Re:This is just like Transformers. by rehtonAesoohC · · Score: 1
      Spielburg's name is attached, but who is directing the movie?

      Explosion Man.


      Fixed that for you :)
  46. Halo = Ringworld by farrellj · · Score: 1

    I am guessing that Larry Niven's lawyers finally contacted them...If you have read the Ringworld books by Niven, and the other Known Space books, then played the games, you will see there is enough similarities between Halo/Halo 2 that it would make investors twitchy.

    ttyl
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    1. Re:Halo = Ringworld by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, but I *am* considering Phlebas.

    2. Re:Halo = Ringworld by PakProtector · · Score: 1

      Oh, don't worry. We Pak have finally finished contacting Larry Niven's authors. We'll be sending a small scout fleet of manned ram-jets to your planet very soon to 'collect.'

      Sincerely, Phssthpok

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    3. Re:Halo = Ringworld by farrellj · · Score: 1

      > We'll be sending a small scout fleet of manned ram-jets to your planet very soon to 'collect.'

      In which (relative) century? By then, we will have the Hyperdrive II engine, and will be escaping the galaxy while it blows up in your face! HA!

      ttyl
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    4. Re:Halo = Ringworld by PakProtector · · Score: 1
      We'll be sending a small scout fleet of manned ram-jets to your planet very soon to 'collect.'

      In which (relative) century? By then, we will have the Hyperdrive II engine, and will be escaping the galaxy while it blows up in your face! HA!

      ttyl
      Farrell McGovern, ARM

      Here's a hint for you: Scrith blocks 50% of neutrinos. Also, didn't you know that a Protector controls the ARM?

      Sincerely, Proserpina.

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    5. Re:Halo = Ringworld by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 1

      This must be a funny (once? always?, I lack data on Pak humor) as it's obvious even h. sap isn't clever enough in breeder stage to realize that H. Erectus derived Pak would be anticipated and eliminated by H. Sap Sap Pak.
              Once a H. Sapiens derived Pak is posited the real purpose and reason for A.R.M. as well as it's indirect control mechanisms become blatantly obvious to any fully sentient entity. Indeed such an organization is required by the impetus inherent the genetic programing of a Pak in the political climate then existing as the best available mechanism for protecting the bloodline. Attempts to safely isolate would likely draw excess attention from the overly paranoid government intelligence agencies of the time and would have a dangerously low genetic pool after so few generation in any event.
              Of course mere H. Sap. Sap lacks full sentience, but don't tell them it could spoil many funny always jokes.

      Mycroft

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  47. This Is Terrible by thedbp · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't understand how they could have done this.

    Now the world will be deprived of another in a long line of well-acted, brilliantly-written, and plot-heavy movies based on video games. After Doom and Super Mario Brothers, I thought it was obvious that all the major advancements in cinema were being made in films that exist as a footnote to a video game franchise.

    THe world is now deprived of the incredibly complex artistic vision that would have been a movie based on a first-person shooter. Just think of all the philosophical and political discussions this movie could have motivated if it had come to fruition.

    I, for one, am saddened and disheartened by this stunning loss to western culture.

  48. I don't agree!! by TrisexualPuppy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let's use some crazy gorilla math. Alive in Joburg is about 6 minutes long. Make it 90 or 120 minutes long, and you've got twenty times the budget. (Mind you, I'm using crazy gorilla math). I don't think that short film cost $10 million. Hell, I doubt it even cost $200,000. I think if they worked on a budget first (say, $75 million), and then worked backwards from there, they can still have a great product.

    Now, a budget of $200 million is a lot for any movie. Jackson's King Kong barely broke even, so he doesn't exactly have a perfect track record.

    Was I the only one who was thoroughly impressed with Mr. Blomkamp's short film Alive in Joburg ? I thought it was a nice mix of sci-fi and realism and would love to see more movies blending that style.

    Please don't make the movie three hours long. I wouldn't be able to take it all in, HEH!

    1. Re:I don't agree!! by BewireNomali · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I don't remember an instance where a director without a widely released feature was giventhis amount of money to direct a film. It's a coup for him, but investors run from that.

      directors are to film what executives are to corporations. For the most part - they impart a vision, manage the process, and assemble an exemplary team for the various departments. having peter jackson behind him mitigates risk, and assures that the teams involved will be top notch. but if the director doesn't inspire confidence - then the trickle-down is obvious.

      i'm surprised they hung around this long. in my experience, private investors would not have risked 10 million on a first time feature director. i say this being an analyst who analyzes film properties for private investors.

      The flags:

      -known property (previously widely released IP - or one of several profitable genres: horror, black/urban, youth comedy; the foregoing are the most profitable genres of feature film).
      -attached talent (A-list, etc/respective to the genre).
      -director's track record (box office/public perception).
      -budget.

      It should be understood that the feature film industry is about making movies with other people's money. So whoever these studios are dealing with probably just weren't satisfied with the guy to dole out that kind of cash. I don't blame them.

      Sci-fi films mitigate risk by using the Japanese market as a buffer; american sci-fi films tend to do well there. in this instance though - because of the cultural backlash in Japan over the X-Box business itself - there is a risk of not being able to monetize this market and this is a huge risk of exposure, especially because data indicates a slight contraction of the US moviegoing audience.

      Overall, this would be a strong pass, especially considering the track record for game movies.

      I do however, think this film is going to do very well. I just couldn't advise anyone to get in at these prices.

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    2. Re:I don't agree!! by ngtvtw13ve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      IIRC Peter Jackson did nothing major or good for that matter before taking the reigns of a little movie trilogy called "Lord of the Rings".
      I would have hoped the studios would have more faith in Jackson being a producer than worrying about the fame of the director.

    3. Re:I don't agree!! by necro81 · · Score: 1

      Ironically enough, Peter Jackson didn't have a whole lot of directing experience, especially big budget experience, before doing Lord of the Rings. Check out his filmography. It was a bold move on the studios' part to entrust so much money to him, but now I doubt there's a studio around that wouldn't love to shower him with hundreds of millions.

    4. Re:I don't agree!! by TempeTerra · · Score: 1

      Nothing internationally known, but if you ever get the chance check out Bad Taste(aliens) or Brain Dead(zombies), both great silly splatter/gross out movies on a low budget. Whether you consider them good or not may be a matter of taste, but they show that PJ clearly has talent and had a hell of a lot of fun making them.

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  49. top 10 movies based on video games by djupedal · · Score: 1

    Final Fantasy VII - Advent Children
    Final Fantasy - The Spirits Within
    Final Fantasy X-2
    Doom
    Doom 3
    Bloodrayne
    BloodRayne 2
    Resident Evil (Special Edition) / Resident Evil - Apocalypse
    Resident Evil 4
    Alone in the Dark
    Full (?) list here...

    ...is TRON really supposed to be on that list?

    Actually, the movie was stopped because MS wanted internet dist. rights and the rest of the group had already made a deal w/iTMS :)

    1. Re:top 10 movies based on video games by Misfit+Taz · · Score: 1

      Wow and some of those films are actualy films.

  50. My idea for a video game movie by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

    I think a movie based on the Scarface video game would be a killer film (excuse the pun). They should show what leads up to the begining of the game and have Tony die in the final fight.

    Atari's old ET game would also kick ass. Where's my funding?

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    1. Re:My idea for a video game movie by Puggs · · Score: 1
      Scarface the movie?
      You mean like this or this possibly?

      I find it quite impressive to be able to watch a film from the 1930s that is based on a late 20th century video game ;-)

    2. Re:My idea for a video game movie by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      You did know I was joking, right? I hope I don't need to start using "satire" tags again.

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    3. Re:My idea for a video game movie by Puggs · · Score: 1

      After I clicked submit I did..... Guess I need to go back to sleep ;-)

  51. Not all movie revenue goes to the studio. by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 1

    "King Kong did not "barely break even", it's the 36th highest grossing film of all time with nearly $400m of profit to its name."

    Are you sure of your numbers? King Kong's domestic take was $218 million, and typically only half of that ends up in the studio's hands -- theatres and distributors taking the rest. Additionally, King Kong's $208 million production budget doesn't include its marketing budget, which was probably in the area of $50 million. In other words, they were $150 million in the hole with the US gross. Foreign gross probably got them close to break-even, and DVD sales pushed them over.

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    1. Re:Not all movie revenue goes to the studio. by MrChom · · Score: 1

      The film's total takings worldwide (Excluding DVDs) was in the area of $550m

      Now, using your maths we have $150m in the hole on US takings with $350m of non-US takings still to go. Halving that figure we get $175m so $25m of profit, then add in rebates for filming in New Zealand.

      Even if you go into the whole "Hollywood accounting" system the film, as an entity is STILL likely to have made in excess of $75m.

      Lest we forget to that film distributors have stakes in companies that are notionally giving them a cut of sales, or that both are owned by a single overarching parent.

      Gross - Production budget is usually a good indicator of profitability in these terms because, heck, if Hollywood Maths(tm) can turn Forrest Gump into a commercial failure then who knows what a bigger film would become!

  52. Pac-Man...? by Robmonster · · Score: 1

    I cannot begin to imagine what a Pac-Man film would look like....

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    1. Re:Pac-Man...? by iocat · · Score: 1
      Christmas Comes to PacLand .

      Be afraid. Be very afraid.

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  53. MOD Parent Funny by denverradiosucks · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This clearly is a joke, a funny one at that, why on earth is it modded interesting? Is it that slow of a day for you moderators?

  54. Good riddance! by Asrynachs · · Score: 1

    God almighty. I'm glad they pulled the plug on that 40 mile an hour piece of crap! I hate the Halo series. It's unoriginal, it's bland, it total garbage. It gives me a good feeling to know how many idiots this is going to piss off.

  55. Peter and Fran's children, to be specific by BadMrMojo · · Score: 1

    Maybe that was the problem. Peter and Fran were probably going to try to stick their big-eyed kids into every other scene.

  56. Re:other factors by Suspended_Reality · · Score: 1

    Microsoft isn't exactly known for turning a profit with it's gaming division.

  57. Re:other factors by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft isn't exactly known for turning a profit with it's gaming division

    I think you're confusing hardware with software. This movie is not hardware.

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  58. Microsoft? by somethinghollow · · Score: 1

    They should call Microsoft. I know MS aren't in the movie business, but they have more than enough spare change to finance this film and get distribution for it.

    1. Re:Microsoft? by night_flyer · · Score: 1

      if you read the article... oh why bother...

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  59. 3 Bad Video Game Plots for $1 by patrixmyth · · Score: 5, Funny

    Space Invaders-
    Plot- Orderly flying aliens destroy New York City, floor by floor.
    Stars- Jackie Chan, Shaquille O'Neal and love interest Paris Hilton.
    Scene Take-
    Shaq: Jackie, [mumble] aliens [mumble] have to [mumble] Wall Street.
    (Jackie Chan begins climbing UN Building, swinging from flag to flag.)
    Paris: I think the aliens are hot.

    Breakout-
    Plot- After construction fraud results in shoddy construction at a maximum security prison, a pair of wrongly convicted prisoners plot their escape on the handball court.
    Stars- The Rock, Nicholas Cage, Dave Chapelle (who dies during the escape) and Bill Mahr as the bumbling warden.
    Scene Take-
    Chapelle: Are you two stupid? You don't think anyone's going to notice you knocking the damn back wall down? Forget this! I'm gonna go see if the warden needs any more weed.
    The Rock: I don't want to do this, but the Warden's left me no other choice.
    Nicholas Cage stares out window intently.
    (Meanwhile in the Warden's office)
    Mahr (on phone): New Rule! If the prisoners have multiple life terms, they must attend the buddhist prayer services, so they will come back here in their next life too!

    Asteroids-
    Plot: A giant asteroid is heading towards Earth and the only hope is a crack team of oil drillers.
    Stars: Bruce Willis, Ben Affleck and love interest Liv Tyler with Steve Buschemi as the lovable freak.
    Scene- Oh wait, never mind....

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    1. Re:3 Bad Video Game Plots for $1 by wranlon · · Score: 1

      If you're really interested in seeing these made into movies (or at least Vignettes, or perhaps simply short clips for comedic appeal), then look no further than Futurama. The one episode (with the What-If machine) includes both Asteroids and Space Invaders.

  60. Re:other factors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think you're the one dividing things. Parent was talking about the "GAMING DIVISION".

  61. Re:other factors by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think you're the one dividing things. Parent was talking about the "GAMING DIVISION".

    Which is a red herring, which is why I called him on it. As has been talked to death, here, it's the hardware sales piece of that division that's always in the red. They do great on the titles. Hell, Flight Simulator alone is a cash cow.

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  62. Re:other factors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What red herring? The gaming division is the sum of all its parts. An argument that Microsoft itself is still running in the black would have made more sense (and cents).

  63. Disposable income. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Teens generally do not have disposable income. That's a fact. How many radio and TV stations do you see geared to teenagers? And how many to adults? Do the math. There's WAY more money to be made from a movie NOT geared to teenagers.
    I've played Halo, and I would NOT pay $8.50 to see a movie about Halo, and I am 20 years past my teen years.

    1. Re:Disposable income. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
      Teens generally do not have disposable income. That's a fact.

      Actually, it's the opposite of a fact - it's bullshit. The most important group is like 13-24 or something like that. Teenagers tend to have PLENTY of money. You'd be amazed what kids get for allowance these days, not to mention any other money they manage to bum from their parents.

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    2. Re:Disposable income. by BewireNomali · · Score: 1

      No... teens have plenty of disposable income. in fact - 13-24s are the LARGEST single moviegoing demographic, with much of that constrained to the 13-21 market. They have plenty of it becuase a significant percentage of them work and their entire salaries are disposable. Also, they are spending their parent's money. Other than that - they have WAAAAAY more free time.

      This is why producers bend over backwards to get a pg-13 rating. This is why the MPAA is arguably one of the most profitable rackets in the film industry, on account of all the payola given to acquire the coveted pg-13 rating. Acquisition of a pg-13 rating is often at the expense of more "adult" elements of a film. This is why you'll often see marketing of a film before a rating has been conferred. Why? It usually means that the delivered cut got an R - they are re-cutting for a PG-13, and don't want to lose any marketing time in the interim.

      So what you said is a fact, in fact, isn't.

      radio and tv stations geared to teens? teens don't watch television that much anymore and they DEFINITELY DON'T listen to the radio. LOL. The radio? are you serious? LOL.

      Kids have the largest untapped disposable income because THEY ARE SPENDING THEIR PARENTS MONEY. Teens get both sides - they have jobs for small shit - and parents for big ticket: cars, etc.

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    3. Re:Disposable income. by c_forq · · Score: 1

      How many radio and TV stations

      Are you kidding me? Have you looked at the demographics of Comedy Central? Adult Swim on Cartoon Network? Have you heard of MTV, MTV2, VH-1, or Fuse? Have you seen the amount of programming on Fox aimed at the teen/pre-teen market? Radio, on the other hand, I will give you, because teens haven't listened to the radio since the 80's. Seriously that is completely idiotic, everyone I know has a CD player in their car with at least half having some sort of MP3 player hookup (either tape, radio transmitter, or line-in).

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    4. Re:Disposable income. by donscarletti · · Score: 1

      Teens don't have much income compared to adults, that is true. But teens have the free time and inclination to go see a movie and more than enough money to do it. Adults are usually too busy, lazy or cynical to drag themselves to the theater which is why you see more teens there.

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  64. Bungie should Update their FAQ by tb3 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Go to the Halo FAQ page and scroll down to the question:
    I read there is going to be a big-budget Hollywood movie of Halo starring Vin Diesel as the Master Chief and a porn star as the voice of Cortana. When should I start lining up outside my local theater?

    And here's their answer:
    You shouldn't. Lots of people have come around trying to get the rights to make a Halo movie, but Bungie has not sold the movie rights to anyone. (And yes, it IS Bungie's decision.) There are lots of bad movies based on video games, and we don't want Halo to meet the same fate.


    Obviously, Microsoft greed trumps Bungie integrity.
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  65. Bungie games are story-centric by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

    Video game movies are bad ideas. The game is made for interactive play with a story line usually tacked on out of obligation.

    Bungie games are an exception. See here and here for proof. Halo is apparently even more well-integrated with it's fictional universe, with a "story bible" closely guarded. (Their earlier games had no such thing and were more ad-hoc, and yet STILL fleshed out rich and detailed fictional universes with interesting and complex characters and plotlines). If any game were to be good movie material, it'd be a Bungie game.

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  66. Re:other factors by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    What red herring? The gaming division is the sum of all its parts. An argument that Microsoft itself is still running in the black would have made more sense (and cents).

    I think the point is that saying some movie makers are skittish about Halo because of MS is a nonsensical comment. Especially to the degree that their hardware pricing (and its impact on MS's profitability in the larger bottom line of their entertainment-related ledger-sheet) has anything to do with it - which is to say, not at all.

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  67. No surprise by x-vere · · Score: 1

    Hey... Can you blame them? The budget was getting bigger and bigger and let's face it, motion picture adaptations of video games have a tendency to suck. Resident Evil, Doom, Silent Hill, Mortal Kombat Annihilation (MK one was pretty cool for the teenage me). The track record is not too promising.
    A better strategy would have been to cap the budget and focus on story. Get the audience intimatly involved with the characters and the plot in the first movie. Show them a little of Master Chief's heroics and set the stage for your 200 million dollar sequel. I don't think this is a new idea. X-Men, Spiderman, Matrix, Star Wars prequel. Develop characters until you have the money to dramatically kill them off. Brilliant!

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  68. Poo :( by posterlogo · · Score: 1

    FFS! IT's PETER JACKSON for cryin out loud! Let the man WORK!

  69. Fate/Stay Night by raduf · · Score: 1

    Fate/Stay Night - one example of a game turned anime, succesfuly. Actualy, pretty much all these guy's games end up anime, and nobody complains. Quite the oposite.

  70. Now he has time to make the Hobbit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now he has time to make the Hobbit. I wonder if this was intentional or just lucky :)

  71. Just make the Hobbit already! by Purity+Of+Essence · · Score: 1

    It's the only thing anybody really wants to see you do, Pete. A Halo movie is a turd waiting to happen. Whoever is holding up the rights to The Hobbit needs to stop fuckin around.

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  72. Ummm... Bungie? by asckar · · Score: 1

    Did anybody remember that Bungie wrote the game & it's backstory? Anybody here remember the three games that came before Halo, and served as its inspiration? Hmmmm... And how about the fact that THOSE games have an amazing story which is still being analyzed & dissected. Oh, and the fact that people are still playing Marathon & it's ilk. So, my opinion is that if Bungie is involved in any fashion, they've probably got some strong story cooking.

  73. msoft haters?? by benicillin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    folks dont seem to understand that halo has one of the best storylines ever written for a game. everyone keeps saying you dont have much luck turning a game into a movie - but that is not the case here. halo has a very well written story behind it. the only comment i can agree with is that the game has so much story and movie cut-scenes included in it, this movie might actually be redundant. however, i'm sure a movie will have a lot more to offer than just cut-scenes and i think this is a sure fire deal and they would be foolish to stop production. im surprised that more /. readers don't already know this - halo IS, of course, a geek thing almost as much as WoW or any other geek game. is it the microsoft affiliation that turned you all off?

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  74. Re:Plus the heart of the tiger by TomPP · · Score: 1

    Sometimes games can be movies in their own right. Either i became to old, or does anyone else remembers Wing Commander III and IV as well ?

  75. MS MovieStudio by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Why doesn't Microsoft spend $200M promoting their games and everything else by making a Halo movie? It couldn't be any worse than the Doom movie. Which lost about 50% of its $70M budget in theaters, but is making plenty more in endless cable/TV syndication.

    If MS went that route, and had the same "success", it could be spending a couple-few dozen million on marketing Halo to the much wider audience of moviegoers. Since Halo is still a more popular brand than was "Doom" when its movie was released, it could even show a profit in theaters+cable.

    And of course the marketing value to MS could be enormous. For all its ubiquity, the MS product line is rarely featured, or even product-placed, in scenes in movies. MS could reinforce its brand across the board, across the world, even projecting it into people's imaginations of "the future", by making a movie.

    Since so much of MS is just for show anyway, this seems a natural project, even long overdue.

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  76. Fox News. by kahrytan · · Score: 1

    Fox just bought the rights to cartoon series after the video game 'Destroy all Humans".

    Fox exectives might just have something else on their minds. They are making alot of shows and movies. They got a Simpsons and Futurama movies coming up too.

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  77. JUST LIKE WATERWORLD? by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    For those who love the mad max experience, Waterworld was just another sequel per say......but I tend to think that being a Kostner vehicle not only does it help pay their bills, but for the adolescent minds of today being so fine tuned to the cyber world, this movie will definately make its money back....if Peter Jackson does as good a job as on his other movies Thanks for listening to my blah blah

  78. hehe by IIIKrazyKiDDIII · · Score: 1

    Duke Nukem: The Movie... when its done!

  79. PACMAN the movie? by bryz · · Score: 1

    While it was funny in Family guy,
    Clip

    Who's idea was it to make a feature length movie about Pac Man?

  80. Re:I'd call this a smart move. Wrong. by Viewsonic · · Score: 1

    Actually, the people who "grew up" with Halo were in their late 20s and early 30s. Right now the average console owner is 35 years old. Teens who buy games are a small number compared to the grown adults who buy games. I'm not sure what the average comic buyer is at, but from what ive seen they seem to be the same age, and mostly the same market. Grown adults. I will agree that nostalgia did help the comic movies a bit, but if you're basing your sales on age alone, you're way way off.

  81. Microsoft, plz fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this is a Microsoft venture, I mean it came out on Xbox and was a big MS deal, why not have MS fund the picture? If they really want it to come out, wouldn't that be a good idea???

  82. Forget big budget... by tomcres · · Score: 1

    They should just do a feature-length Red vs. Blue... I'd pay $$$ to go see that! :)

    1. Re:Forget big budget... by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      Check your TV in about 2 years :-).

  83. is $200 million really needed for another vg film? by autoacat · · Score: 1

    Peter Jackson barely broke even on King Kong's $207 million budget and that was riding off the name of one of the greatest films ever created. Now, as popular as the Halo games are, I doubt they could draw in King Kong-calibur crowds. Lets say if all the two million (or so) people who bought the Halo game went out to see the Halo movie, it would only gross around $20 million assuming they paid $10 a ticket. In order to break even, they'd have to draw in a considerable amount of people who have never touched a controller in their life. Considering Gears of War costed Microsoft $10 million to fund, there is no way its a good idea to spend nearly 20 times as much as a top teir game for something that's really hit or miss.

  84. Re:other factors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are also forgetting that they were going to base the movie off a shitty FPS with an overly done plot(OMG ALIENS vs Humans!).

    Maybe that is the good reason they bailed.

  85. Ask me if I care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I probably would have gone to see it too, but I expect it would have been a three-parter. The first would be groundbreaking in scale and experience. The second would have multiple versions showing the same story from different perspectives. And to see the third one, you'd be forced to upgrade to an IMAX theater.

    It's just as well they killed it before I blew $50 on tickets, popcorn and a wireless controller.

  86. I could imagine... by BenSchuarmer · · Score: 1

    getting the blue screen of death 45 minutes into the movie. Then all of the viewers would have to leave the theater and come back in.

  87. Re:other factors by idobi · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't know what you've been drinking, but i'm sure Microsoft hopes their shareholders are drinking the same thing.

    "Fiscal '07 will be a loss. We think that turns to profit in 08," Robbie Bach, president of Microsoft's entertainment and devices division, said at Microsoft's annual analyst meeting (July 2006)

    In July, Microsoft reported $414 million loss on revenue of $1.14 billion. In April, they reported a $388 million loss.

  88. Halo movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neil can go to hell.

  89. What the hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would you copy a post above you word for word?

  90. Dear God by savage1r · · Score: 1

    It's as if millions of nerds cried out all at once but were suddenly silenced.

  91. I'll pay to see the movie 5 times... by SIInudeity · · Score: 1

    Cause it will be produced by a South African.

  92. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Humorless bastards! I almost spit my teeth out laughing!

  93. Re:Plus the heart of the tiger by Haeleth · · Score: 1

    Sometimes games can be movies in their own right. Either i became to old, or does anyone else remembers Wing Commander III and IV as well ?

    Wing Commander is an interesting case. The games weren't classic cinema, but they were reasonably good space opera, particularly considering the limitations of budget and technology; they were certainly the best thing Mark Hamill ever did after Star Wars.

    And yet when the time came to transfer to the big screen, the resulting movie was awful even in the opinion of fans of the series.

    I don't understand how they managed that -- they had an existing franchise that basically consisted of movies separated by repetitive space combat, and an existing legion of fans who loved the movies they were producing, and somehow they managed to put out a movie that was so different that the fans hated it.

    That, above all, was what convinced me that video games are unlikely ever to make a successful transition to film.

  94. Local spin by Bloodrage · · Score: 1

    In New Zealand it is being reported that the studios have pulled out because Jackson and Walsh were refusing to reduce their share of the profit, which is also why LoTR and King Kong changed studios early in production.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3834956a10,00. html

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  95. The Frighteners by Spasmodeus · · Score: 1

    Jackson made The Frighteners, which was, IIRC, pretty successful at the box office, and proved that Peter Jackson knew how to make a movie that balanced characters, story, humor, thrills, and elaborate special effects in a highly entertaining fashion.

    Even though he wasn't that well know to the public at the time, I don't think it was completely unexpected that he was given the money to make LoTR.

  96. TROLL ALERT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    This same comment has been posted - see 10:38

  97. mod parent up by miruku · · Score: 1

    it could be so good, but it could also be sooo so as bad as doom was

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  98. Re:other factors by donscarletti · · Score: 1

    I don't think liking or not liking Microsoft has anything to do with this. I think not trusting Microsoft is the issue here. Microsoft has never been totally forthright in its relationships with other buisinesses, whether they are good at movie stuff is irrelivant in partnering with them.

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  99. Not always. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    J. Michael Straczynski was credited as executive producer on "Babylon 5", and was very much involved in the day-to-day running of the show. (The only other credit he got was as writer for the scripts he actually wrote.)

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  100. Hugo Weaving. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    Clearly Hugo Weaving would.

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  101. You'd be surprised. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 1

    There's a novelization of "V for Vendetta" the movie. For people who don't want to be seen reading a comic book, I would guess. What a goddamn crock.

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  102. Sarge from RvB as Clippy by jameskojiro · · Score: 0

    "Where do you want to go today? Dirtbag!"

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