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Fairly Realistic Flying Car Offered for 2009 Delivery

An anonymous reader writes to tell us about yet another promise of a flying car. The Register is reporting on the latest from Terrafugia Inc called the "Transition" which is a combination car and airplane that runs on unleaded gas. The idea is that it's a car that you can drive to the nearest airstrip and, with the touch of a button, convert to an airplane, fly to an airstrip close to your goal, then convert back to a car to reach your ultimate destination. Of course, how many times have we been promised flying cars only to suffer in perpetual disappointment.

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  1. I'll Believe That... by InvisibleSoul · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...when cars fly.

    1. Re:I'll Believe That... by no1nose · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll Believe That...

            when Duke Nukem Forever comes out.

    2. Re:I'll Believe That... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "...when cars fly."

      Old news really. They've had these since The Man With The Golden Gun .

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    3. Re:I'll Believe That... by hernyo · · Score: 1

      Well, a hundred years ago earthmen did not even imagine that by the end of the century you'd be able to fly from Europe to the US... why shouldn't we believe that in a hundred years ahead we will be fly to the supermarket?

  2. It's a datsun by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Plus it's a converted Datsun, comes with a golden gun/cigarette lighter, and a midget bartender.

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  3. Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by SpiffyMarc · · Score: 2, Funny

    Where are the flying cars?

    It's the year 2000.

    Where are the flying cars?!

    1. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by techpawn · · Score: 2, Funny

      What if a German scientist said to you "I have invented the flying car and I'll give it to you under one condition"?

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    2. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by russ1337 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can recount the story of a guy (air force pilot under training) at the RNZAF Base Wigram in Christchurch, New Zealand who, after quite a few late night beers decided to drive to the service station (US=gas station) to buy a meat pie (US=Pot pie).

      Only thing is that he had no transport other than his (own personal) airplane. So he wanders out to the ramp, jumps in, and taxi's his aircraft past the main gate onto the road and to the gas station just outside the Base..

      Of course this was back in the day when 'it wasn't so bad to drink and drive', and i'm sure he did a bit of a 'rug dance' in front of his CO on Monday morning... but went onto a rather successful career.

    3. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by russ1337 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ah... just checked with someone that knows the guy... that was PLTOFF Murray in his Midget Mustang .... 1988.

      So flying cars, no. Driving airplanes... yes.

    4. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Conspicuous+Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      It amazes me the number of people who really do still seem to believe that flying cars and Star Trek are the future (I know the parent was joking, but there is a serious point here).

      I haven't got my crystal ball with me, but I'm still fairly sure that if there's going to be a future, it's not going to involve petrol powered flying cars pumping out CO2 on an unprecedented scale.
      I'm also fairly sure that if human civilization ever does advance to the point where interstellar travel is possible it will require us to evolve our ideas a little beyond the America in space that the Star Trek franchise basically represents.

      I for one don't think the immediate future is going in the direction of flying cars and starships, right now I'd be happy if the human race just concentrated on finding a way to avoid polluting or blasting ourselves back to neolithic times, nevermind anything else.

    5. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Ted+Stevens · · Score: 2, Funny

      and i'm sure he did a bit of a 'rug dance' in front of his CO on Monday morning
      I'm not sure what that means, but I'm assuming it has something to do with "don't ask, don't tell?"
    6. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by speculatrix · · Score: 1

      I recall the time some cops in Albuquerque (New Mexico, that's in the USA :-) who decided they were so much in a hurry to get some Krispey Kreme doughnuts they took an unscheduled diversion in the helicopter, landed in the car park to buy some, and flew off. No reports of their specific punishment, but I'll bet they were in deep doo-doo!!

      don't believe me? here's the story

    7. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yay! Abuse is funny!

      Ass.

    8. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Don't ask, don't tell" is an American thing. I believe the British equivalent is "don't ask, join the Royal Navy".

    9. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by StringBlade · · Score: 1

      Cmdr. Sisko should set his watch ahead a few years... it's 2007, nearly 2008.

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    10. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by david.given · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My parents live in a little village in Scotland called Lochcarron. A few years ago, there was a flourishing salmon farming industry (now collapsed, alas). There were hatcheries in the lochs in the mountains, and fully fledged farms in the sea lochs.

      When the hatchlings in the mountain lochs got large enough, they got ferried down to the sea lochs. This happened by helicopter, presumably for speed. So, at the appropriate time of year, they'd hire in a helicopter and pilot who would spend a week or so flying around moving the young salmon.

      Where did the pilot live while doing this? In the Lochcarron Hotel, of course. Where did they leave the helicopter? In the hotel car park, of course.

      In a parking bay.

      The helicopter was small enough that it would park very neatly in a double bay. It would always be parked in the one in the corner, and the helicopter landing skids would always be exactly 20cm from the curb in both directions. There'd usually be some cars lined up next to it, too, with the rotors hanging over them. It would leave in the morning, and come back in the afternoon. I don't know where it got refueled --- I doubt you can get Jet A1 from the local garage.

    11. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by zippthorne · · Score: 1, Troll

      The star trek franchise does not depict "America in Space." It depicts "Idealized Former USSR in Space." And glosses over some pretty bleak notions about the value of human life. The bad guys are also metaphorically Soviet, so it's pretty confusing to say the least.

      The rest of your screed is also nonsensical. Energy-to-weight ratios and the lack of star trek physics pretty much dictates that if flying cars are in the near future, they'll be "petrol" powered and rare. Or at least hydrocarbon powered, regardless of whether the hydrocarbons are from convenient underground puddles or Arizonan algal vats.

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    12. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by superpulpsicle · · Score: 1

      I firmly believe flying car is the future. But it won't start here in the US. Our lawyers, politics, CEOs and corporate system makes it hell of an impossible task to push anything into the market. Our society has long gotten rid of innovate-and-push. It's innovate-market-profit-newversion.

      Just look at VHS tapes, we were on this while the rest of the world was on laserdisc. By the time we got DVD, the tycoon$ are saying lets make more money and sell them more HD-DVD/blueray/more of the same.

    13. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by russ1337 · · Score: 1

      Rug dance... think of Irish Stepdance but a young officer in front of his Commanding Officer, afraid for his life....

      Or the dance the man does in the movies when a cowboy shoots near his feet ...

    14. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    15. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by oxidiser · · Score: 1

      That, to me, is cool. I don't see how it was a waste of tax dollars either, its not like they took the chopper out with the express purpose of getting doughnuts. I could see people getting pissed off if this was near any residences or maybe someplace where it would disrupt traffic but otherwise...

    16. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by rainman_bc · · Score: 1

      It depicts "Idealized Former USSR in Space." Starfleet was military the same way the US Army is.

      There's money in the star trek world... Just isn't prevalent because you're seeing things from a military perspective.
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    17. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tail Draggers are hell on the interstate.

    18. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by operagost · · Score: 1

      IN THE YEAR 2000...

      Cars fly.

      BSD is DEAD.

      and Windows is SECURE!

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    19. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the clarification, I am so stupid I would never understand such foreign terms as "service station" and "meat pie". You New Zealanders and your crazy talk. (NZ=WE SPEAK THE SAME FUCKING LANGUAGE)

    20. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by operagost · · Score: 1
      I didn't realize the Soviet Union didn't have an army! No wonder the USA outlasted them... they were a bunch of PACIFISTS!

      There's money in the star trek world... Just isn't prevalent because you're seeing things from a military perspective.
      Yeah... a "military" that is NOT PAID. This is mentioned many times in the series. It's the non-Federation worlds that use money.
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    21. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, about as funny as operating large deadly machinery on public roads while intoxicated.

    22. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by zippthorne · · Score: 0, Troll

      In the US, meat pies and pot pies are very different things, though both usually contain meat. Not to be confused with mincemeat pies, which don't contain meat at all, minced or otherwise.

      Do you really mean to imply that meat pies are in your country similar to pot pies in the US, or are you just trying to make an "Americans are stupid" joke? If so, ha ha, you got me. You're pretty clever, you sly fox. Not to mention erudite, cosmopolitan, and brave.

      BTW, in the US, we call them "gas stations," "service stations," "rest stops" and "filling stations" depending on the circumstances, though generally "service station" is reserved garages which may or may not have pumps.

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    23. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by russ1337 · · Score: 1

      Do you really mean to imply that meat pies are in your country similar to pot pies in the US, or are you just trying to make an "Americans are stupid" joke?
      Chill Dude. I'm a New Zealander who (now) lives in the USA. The closest thing to a New Zealand Meat Pie is a pot pie - and wished to avoid people thinking sweet pumpkin pie but with meat. The closest thing to a NZ service station is a gas station - as you have pointed out, service station in the USA does not always have gas pumps, where in NZ service stations always have gas (petrol) pumps.

      The only reason I included the meat pie and the service station bits, was to ensure the story came across accurately and to properly convey the sense of danger of Driving a propeller aircraft onto the forecourt of a gas station for no other reason than to buy a $1.50 meat pie.

    24. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, JetBlue sometimes does this.. they take you out for a drive to the middle of the airstrip and back.

    25. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Hucko · · Score: 1

      Welcome to the future. Have a good sleep?

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    26. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Propaganda13 · · Score: 1

      What's the difference between a flying car and a driving plane?

      I wouldn't a flying car like this one though for normal use. Right now, a bad door ding is just a dent. It's not a possible failure thousands of feet in the air.

    27. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by KudyardRipling · · Score: 1

      Built on [sugarcane ethanol beverage], [Brownport docking and haploid input], and the [keratin-based control hardware].

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    28. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Scaba · · Score: 0, Troll

      Battered women. Sounds delicious.

    29. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it was a small commercial helicopter, it may have been a marine diesel engine.

      Also Gas turbine don't have to run off A1.

    30. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by rtb61 · · Score: 1
      It really does point our the difference in risk. In the air there is no such thing as a small bingle, a stalled plane means a whole different thing to a stalled car, in car accidents people sometimes die, in plane accidents people sometimes live.

      So flying cars are doomed because of that difference in risk. So going for donuts in a helicopter represents a far higher risk then getting in a car. Just think of this simple difference, turbulence at the landing point generated by the helicopter rotors, a typical littered carpark, represents a considerable risk of eye damage to innocent bystanders.

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    31. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tryina come the raw prawn with a yankee! Wotcher thinkin?

    32. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      Depends how many times he wants it sucked. If it's more than 50 times, it's quicker to go by land.

    33. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The closest thing to a New Zealand Meat Pie is a pot pie - and wished to avoid people thinking sweet pumpkin pie but with meat.
      I wholeheartedly recommend a new notion for your usage. Well, not new for us southeast Europeans and southwest Asians, but anyway, it is a short word, easy to pronounce, and it fits the general idea of a non-sweet pie snack. Tasty, too, and recipe (well, filling) is easily modified to incorporate different flavors (just like pizza pie modifications). Goes best with a gulp of yogurt, or beer.
    34. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by Yoozer · · Score: 1

      What's the difference between a flying car and a driving plane?
      The following events will all be vastly more exciting:
      • running out of fuel
      • operating the device while being intoxicated
      • bumping into the guy in front of you
      • messing with the radio/GPS/kids and then noticing any objects in front of you several seconds later than your reaction time allows for
      I'm sure you can make up several more.
    35. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      At least in TNG onwards, they're very pompous about how superior they are because they no longer have needs for things like money, and look down upon how primitive humans used to behave. Also consider how the Ferengi are portrayed - capitalism is associated with greed.

    36. Re:Cmdr. Sisko wants to know -- by russ1337 · · Score: 1

      one word: YUM!!!

  4. More interesting are the Honda plug-ins by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    They have a Gorilla-influenced plug-in hybrid SUV and a few other strange cars coming out - pics on yahoo news today.

    Why can't they make a rotor-based flying car that's a plug-in bio-diesel hybrid? Or a modified jet pack that uses bio-jet-fuel?

    Heck, even a giant propeller beanie with a backpack frame so your head stays on ...

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    1. Re:More interesting are the Honda plug-ins by modecx · · Score: 3, Funny

      Gorilla influenced plug in hybrid SUV?

      Alright, so long as it doesn't climb to the top of the Empire State Building to tap power off of that big light bulb up there.

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    2. Re:More interesting are the Honda plug-ins by Orange+Crush · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why can't they make a rotor-based flying car that's a plug-in bio-diesel hybrid?

      Because it would be too heavy. The aircraft from TFA is just a conventional airplane with a fancy transmission and foldable wings and can't get airborne with a full tank of gas and two fat people. Add batteries an electric motor, a heavier diesel engine, ditch the wings and propellor for a less efficient rotor in a roadway-sized package and you'll end up with a flying brick. Minus the flying part.

      Overall, the qualities that make for a good car also make for a lousy aircraft (and vice versa).

    3. Re:More interesting are the Honda plug-ins by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here is a link to a pic and some of the text about the cars:

      Japanese automakers getting cute at show

      Their answer: Transform the car into a friendly companion -- not just a machine for getting around.

      Honda Motor Co. even says its white bubble-shaped rubbery-surfaced Puyo, equipped with a panoramic window, is supposed to be a pet. The cabin part of Puyo, a fuel-cell vehicle, rotates so it never has to go into reverse.

      pic of Puyo

      The body glows in various colors of lighting under the car's silicone body surface to communicate with people, such as turning green when it's happy about its condition, according to Honda. The speedometer glows in a subdued blue tone from its dashboard that resembles gray cloth so the interior feels more like a room.

      In a preview presentation to reporters, Honda compared the aesthetics of Puyo, whose name is based on the Japanese word that describes floating or soft objects, to cute things like a bunny and balloon.

      Toyota Motor Corp.'s Rin looks similar to Puyo, but it has some dashes of green on white to highlight what the automaker says is its serenity so the driver feels at one with nature.

      Pic of Rin (the gorilla one)

      Rin, which means "upright" and "graceful," has a transparent floor and big windows. Its beige seating enhances passengers' skin tones, and the seats are designed to improve posture, according to Toyota.

      "This car is about a beautiful and healthy mind," says Satoru Taniguchi, who oversees Rin, a plug-in gas-electric hybrid. Plug-ins run longer on electricity than a regular hybrid because it recharges in a household socket.

      The cabin of Nissan Motor Co.'s Pivo 2, an electric vehicle, can rotate on its wheel base so that it can face the opposite direction. The vehicle's tires can also turn 90 degrees, allowing it to move sideways into tight spaces.

      Pic of Pivo 2

      To make sure its message of cuteness isn't lost on visitors at the Tokyo Motor Show, opening to the public Oct. 27, Pivo, derived from "pivot," has a bobbing robotic head near the steering wheel that talks in a high-pitched voice.


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    4. Re:More interesting are the Honda plug-ins by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 1

      ...has a bobbing robotic head near the steering wheel that talks in a high-pitched voice.

      "The door is a kishimu. The door is a kishimu."

    5. Re:More interesting are the Honda plug-ins by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Is kishimu ajar? If so, then it should have a label, such as one might still find at Tokyo Airport, saying "Door Is A Jar".

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    6. Re:More interesting are the Honda plug-ins by SlowMovingTarget · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to this site "kishimu" is one Japanese word that translates as "jar" in English.

    7. Re:More interesting are the Honda plug-ins by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      ah, thanks.

      "The access port of your wagon for sports fitness tourism is a small jar."

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    8. Re:More interesting are the Honda plug-ins by tylernt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I would love to see a diesel-electric hybrid car, you aren't going to see one flying. Batteries are too heavy, and there's only one diesel aircraft engine currently flying and they had to do a lot of engineering to get it light enough.

      But a gyroplane would be the perfect flying car -- the rotor is unpowered, so you don't need a tail rotor sticking out the back. You can use a prerotator to shorten takeoff distance (a few gyros can even take off vertically), and the landing roll is also very short. When in car mode, the rotor is far easier to fold as it is so much smaller and it won't interfere with the driver's vision as the folded wings do.

      A gyroplane also flies a lot more like a fixed-wing aircraft than like a helicopter, so the pilot training demands are MUCH lower than a heli (still more than a fixed-wing, though).

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  5. Masks! by PolyDwarf · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can I get my own cool Spectrum mask?

    1. Re:Masks! by gardyloo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sure, but the goggles... they do nothing!

    2. Re:Masks! by exley · · Score: 1

      Yeah, if their first model isn't a 1985 Camaro with gull-wing doors I'm going to be severely disappointed.

  6. So where's Caractatus Potts... by rah1420 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    when you need him? Bring us Chitty-Chitty-Bang-Bang! Now THERE's a flying car.

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  7. Blind spots anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From that picture, it seems like there are some pretty major blind spots (i.e., if you do a shoulder-check before a lane-change, you're just going to be looking at a friggin wing). So who cares if the thing can fly...you're probably going to get creamed once you join up with traffic on a busy road.

  8. Phew by niceone · · Score: 4, Funny

    Phew, being "fairly realistic" is pretty high up my list of desirable features for any air transportation I use.

    1. Re:Phew by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

      Funny, I only use unrealistic air transport. Dragons, flying carpets, reindeer sleighs, that sort of thing.

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    2. Re:Phew by Cctoide · · Score: 1

      My means of transportation use HDR lighting, advanced pixel shading and lots of bloom.

      Oh, and they're brown.

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    3. Re:Phew by SonicSpike · · Score: 1

      Yes, because the arrival times of modern airlines are "realistic" HA

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  9. 50s? Ha./ by iknownuttin · · Score: 2, Informative
    Current technology could, however, offer something a bit more exciting than the ordinary light aircraft which have been flying almost unchanged since the 1950s.

    More like the 30s!

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  10. This will go nowhere. by Pinkfud · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This idea was never practical for the simple reason that the average driver can't be trusted to fly an airplane. Now that we live in the age of "Homeland Security", it's doubly unlikely that any government will allow "unknown flying objects" buzzing around.

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    1. Re:This will go nowhere. by phil+reed · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Hell, the average driver can't be trusted to drive, let alone fly.

      What's worse, you'd probably see some idiot "driver" flying 300 miles with his right turn signal on.

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    2. Re:This will go nowhere. by sjaguar · · Score: 1

      I agree. Unless every "driver" gets good training and laws are strictly enforced, I do not see this happening any time soon. I will be happy when cars can auto-drive. Once we get to that point, then I can image personal aircraft for each driver.

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    3. Re:This will go nowhere. by popmaker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes! Drug-trafficking, immigration, etc. These things would become totally unmanagable. And what about stupid teenagers that run out of gas in the middle of the atlantic? But even though the technology wouldn't be publicly available, that is not to say that it won't be useful for some purposes. Furthermore, who needs justification for cool technology to exist?

    4. Re:This will go nowhere. by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      Now that we live in the age of "Homeland Security", it's doubly unlikely that any government will allow "unknown flying objects" buzzing around. Indeed! Next thing you know you'll have people flying cars into parking structures.
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    5. Re:This will go nowhere. by vidarh · · Score: 1

      I know RTFA'ing isn't fashionable, but go RTFA anyway. Who said anything about "average drivers"?

    6. Re:This will go nowhere. by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How is this different from small Cesnas and what not that are buzzing around now, except that it folds up and drives you home from the airstrip? I don't think there would be problems with the licensing, its just another small plane. It won't be average drivers that will be flying this thing, you'll still need a pilots license as well as a drivers license.

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    7. Re:This will go nowhere. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I know RTFA'ing isn't fashionable, but go RTFA anyway. Who said anything about "average drivers"?

      Well, scary enough is the fact that they've not set the bar very high ...

      The only extra touch is that a Transition® is intended to qualify as an FAA "Light-Sport Aircraft", which means a somewhat less onerous regulatory regime. A "Sport pilot" licence is easier and cheaper to get than an ordinary private pilot's licence, requiring only 20 hours logged; and there are breaks on maintenance, medical checks etc.

      Twenty freakin' hours? That's not gonna filter that many people from having one of these. Although, hopefully it'll skim off some of the idiots.

      I agree with the sentiment of the poster -- I see drivers which have a hard enough time staying within their lanes in 2D. In 3D, I expect to see horribly bad things happen.

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    8. Re:This will go nowhere. by imsabbel · · Score: 1

      Over here, you have to log more than 20h to get your _driving license_.

      For a plane, thats a joke.

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    9. Re:This will go nowhere. by Scaba · · Score: 3, Funny

      And what about stupid teenagers that run out of gas in the middle of the atlantic?

      That'd be like so embarrassing. Stuck three thousand feet in the air, waiting around until dad gets there with a gas can.

    10. Re:This will go nowhere. by bcattwoo · · Score: 1

      How is this different from small Cesnas and what not that are buzzing around now, except that it folds up and drives you home from the airstrip? I don't think there would be problems with the licensing, its just another small plane. It won't be average drivers that will be flying this thing, you'll still need a pilots license as well as a drivers license. Plus, $150K to spend on your flying car. With a top speed of 115 mph, it hardly seems worth the bother anyway.
    11. Re:This will go nowhere. by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      Dude, I solo'd a Cessna 172 with 15 hours of flight time with an instructor. Sure, it didn't mean I had my license, but once you solo you can fly by yourself with only a small amount of restrictions.

    12. Re:This will go nowhere. by businessnerd · · Score: 1

      I think safety is the key concern with the practicality of the flying car. Comparing a flying car to a Cesna or an ultra-lite plane is a pretty scary comparison in my mind. While the airline industry in general (you know the big jets that fly you from New York to California, etc.) has the best safety record out of all of the forms of transportation (you know the whole, more likely to die on the way to airport than on your actual flight saying), the track record for small airplanes is not so stellar. I've heard that one of the most dangerous sports you can participate in is flying ultra-lites (a hang glider with a motor). Just in the past month or two I can think of a several small aircraft crashes. Cesnas crashing into forests, houses, buildings, and that's just the ones that make the news. Reason? Two things, small aircraft are much more susceptible to changing weather conditions, and there is not as much regulation. A commercial jet has a set route it follows, only changing that route when told to by ground control. A small aircraft goes wherever it wants for the most part, not necessarily an established route. Kinda like driving a car.

      Now imagine the same number of small aircraft in the air as there already are cars on the road. One reason we don't all crash into each other (as much) is because we have roads that tell us where we can go. Not so in the air. We would probably all collide with each other on a regular basis, and not just fender benders. I'm talking smashing together and then dropping from the sky like a stone and destroying/killing whatever/whoever you land on. The only way I can see a flying car in regular use is if the flying part was completely automated. Once you take off, you are a passenger, never a driver. Put in your destination and then the autopilot would follow a virtual road of sorts to get to your destination.

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    13. Re:This will go nowhere. by berashith · · Score: 1

      so you see all the bad drivers being permanently removed as a bad thing ?

    14. Re:This will go nowhere. by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      Airplanes are to the point where flying, landing, and taking off can be achieved by the computer automatically (if the parameters of the take-off and landing strips are known).

      I could see this idea take off (pun intended), but it would require a massive computerized infrastructure signaling take-offs and landings. Your local suburb could have a central strip and every aspect would have to be automated to make it efficient.

      The only other thing that I could see as semi-viable would be small, zeppelins that act as buses with a rigid structure out of nanotubes or carbon fiber that would be able to store themselves (compress the gas in a tank and collapse the structure into something small). That has issues with landing more than anything.

      I also expect, as cool as any of these ideas are, and as badly needed to overcome traffic - we won't see anything come of it. Anti-gravity will have to be discovered first to make the flying car or flying bus of imagination feasible as all of our current methods of flight have too many downfalls when applied to such an idea.

    15. Re:This will go nowhere. by businessnerd · · Score: 1

      I see removing all of the bad drivers while taking me and the rest of the good drivers down with them a bad thing. The reason people hate drunk drivers so much is not because they could hurt themselves, it's because they could hurt other people.

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    16. Re:This will go nowhere. by overcaffein8d · · Score: 1

      but bad pilots are more a danger to themselves than others, at least when they're over a rural area or water.

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    17. Re:This will go nowhere. by HeWhoMustNotBeNamed · · Score: 1

      What insurance company will cover these roadable planes?

      Aircraft insurers are not going to want to cover the plane while on the road, and car insurers will not want the liability in the air.

      Even if they can keep the weight of the aircraft down under the "Light Sport" limit, I don't think the target audience of this will be diligent in following the FAR's, pre-flight inspections, or scheduled maintenance. Most people consider an oil change for their car a suggested interval; for aircraft scheduled service intervals can make it un-airworthy and void your insurance if you fly it regardless.

      People are used to getting in their cars and being able to try to drive through snow, thunderstorms and this thing is going to put more pilots in the position of flying into marginal conditions because "it's just a car that flies".

      As an aircraft owner I would not want to subject my control surfaces to road debris and I would not want to run up hours on my engine just driving it to an airport.

    18. Re:This will go nowhere. by icebrain · · Score: 2, Informative
      Just so we're clear on this, that is the statutory minimum. Your instructor will not sign you off for solo, and the FAA examiner won't sign you off for your license, if you aren't capable of meeting the standards.

      The minimum time for a standard private ticket is 40 hours, with a bunch of other requirements (certain number of "cross-country" hours, night flight, navigation, etc). The national average is somewhere around 60-80 hours--and that's flight time, which doesn't include ground instruction or studying on your own. I don't expect that a sport pilot license will take too much less, despite what the regulations say. Most people generally aren't even ready to solo until at least 20 hours. (Interestingly, the average used to be 5-6 hours, and people would think something was wrong with you if you hadn't done it by 10 or so... but now the FAA requires much more material to be covered prior to solo)

      Flight instruction isn't like driver's ed, either. The instructor works you hard (simulated emergencies, proficiency maneuvers, unusual attitudes, and so on); you aren't just tooling along aimlessly like driving. The tests are harder, too. First, you have a written/computer exam covering things like aviation regulations, flight planning, proper technique, and weather. Then, your checkout consists of an oral exam over any and every subject the examiner wants to (mine included hydraulic systems, overwater navigation, aerodynamics, performance characteristics of the airplane, and "what would you do if..."), and a flight check. The flight check has very specific standards, and you will demonstrate just about everything you've learned. Bust one little thing, and you fail the checkride--I nearly busted mine by being just a bit too high during one approach. It's not "let's go flying and you only fail if you break a regulation."

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    19. Re:This will go nowhere. by Grendel70 · · Score: 1

      I like to think of it as thinning the herd.

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    20. Re:This will go nowhere. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      so you see all the bad drivers being permanently removed as a bad thing ?

      Attempting to remove themselves from the gene pool and pretty much everything else right over my head, yes I mind, thank you very much.

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    21. Re:This will go nowhere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a cell phone to his ear.

    22. Re:This will go nowhere. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But at least passing them won't be much of an issue. And if they're flying too slowly, maybe we'll all get lucky and a low altitude stall will take care of the problem for us.

      Being realistic, a flying car will probably suck as a car because anything needed for decent handling will be too heavy. Likewise it's probably not going to be great as a plane either because the folding flight surfaces and extra car bits will seriously restrict the flight envelope thanks to a limited airframe capability and extra weight. And it's kind of pointless if one can't just change modes and takeoff on the fly to get around traffic without having to seek out an airport. (Helicopter-car would be better for that anyways.) Gas prices and limited market (pilots who live and work within a few miles of civil airports that could cover their commute) probably don't help either...

      I think we should wait until vehicles can drive themselves, lightweight nanocomposites are inexpensive, and unobtanium crystal batteries exist to provide free power. And then maybe a flying car would seem more realistic.

    23. Re:This will go nowhere. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "I agree. Unless every "driver" gets good training and laws are strictly enforced, I do not see this happening any time soon. I will be happy when cars can auto-drive. Once we get to that point, then I can image personal aircraft for each driver."

      Aren't there certain conditions that can be met, to have an unlicensed aircraft you can fly....like the one that John Denver died in? I thought that if is was a certain size or didn't go above a certain height...you were free to fly as you pleased. I'd guess a 'flying car' type thing could be designed as such?

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    24. Re:This will go nowhere. by God'sDuck · · Score: 1

      What insurance company will cover these roadable planes?
      My assumption is that owners will buy the State Farm.
    25. Re:This will go nowhere. by mustafap · · Score: 1

      >Cesnas crashing into forests, houses, buildings, and that's just the ones that make the news. Reason?

      Actually, I've found Cessnas very reliable. I think you'll find a lot of these crashes are pilot error.

      >susceptible to changing weather conditions

      Great example. A common cause of accidents is pilots flying into weather that they know they shouldn't, because they want to get home. When you are flying at 5000ft, the weather doesn't just jump out at you.

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    26. Re:This will go nowhere. by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      "With a top speed of 115 mph, it hardly seems worth the bother anyway."

      That's 115MPH as the crow flies.. which would make traveling to LA from SF 3 hours instead of 6-8, longer than the 2 hours of southwest but still preferable to traffic.

  11. Wow! by pigiron · · Score: 1

    That car looks really keen, Wally.

  12. an even better idea by FudRucker · · Score: 0, Redundant

    instead of making cars that can fly, why not make a small private airplane that you can drive on the roads & highways...

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    1. Re:an even better idea by secPM_MS · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The requirements for flight are rather different than the requirements for being a licensable motor vehicle. For flight, I need very low weight, high power, and appropriate aerodynamics. On ground, I have reqirements for braking and handling, accident protection, etc. Being long and slender is fine for airplanes, but is bad for road manuverability. Wings have to be folded or removed to make the plane narrow enough to drive, but on the road, the airfoils are dead weight. In the air, the wheels and driving machanisms are dead weight.

      If you increase the power enough (jets anyone) you can reduce the size of the airfoils as you raise the velocity, but you pay for this with increased takeoff and cruising speeds. There are obvious hazards here as well as very high fuel costs. Helicopters cost a lot more to fly and maintain that fixed wing planes for good reason.

      Do you want the average driver trying to fly over your city or land in your neighborhood at very high velocities? I sure don't. Bad weather would make the situation worse.

      Even with the current safety status of fixed wing planes, if you ever try to get a very large life insurance policy, they may well ask you if you fly planes. There is a reason they ask.

    2. Re:an even better idea by Bob-taro · · Score: 1

      instead of making cars that can fly, why not make a small private airplane that you can drive on the roads & highways... So, are you trying to improve on the original summary?
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  13. Realistic? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is not a 'flying car'. Yes, it may go on the road, and may actually fly. But it does neither well. Very impractical for actual driving with those blind spots, and if you're flying, why are you hauling a heavy roadable drivetrain around?

    550lb total payload. -120lb gas, -200lb pilot + 150lb passenger = 80lb left. What...you were eplanning on bringing a little luggage?

    1. Re:Realistic? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Those two things (flying and driving) tend to be somewhat exclusive.

      The whole blind-spot thing can be overcome with inexpensive cameras (people already do this on SUVs and trucks), though. As for passengers and cargo, as a personal conveyance device 80lbs really isn't bad. You're not going to go pick up fertilizer or concrete at the Home Depot in this thing. 80lbs of cargo is more than most people take on a week vacation, and if you're that worried about bringing back souvenirs there's always UPS.

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    2. Re:Realistic? by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      I'm left wondering if a smaller motorcycle or a Vespa-style street scooter could have a designated cargo spot in a small plane without raising the weight too high. Lightweight plane? Fine, haul a lightweight ground vehicle with you.

    3. Re:Realistic? by Scaba · · Score: 4, Funny

      you were eplanning on bringing a little luggage?

      Dude, that is sooo 1999. We now call it iPlanning

    4. Re:Realistic? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      As for passengers and cargo, as a personal conveyance device 80lbs really isn't bad.

      Bring 2 backpacks of 20lb each (camera equip, lunch, and a couple changes of clothes), and now you're flirting dangerously close to the absolute limit. Don't run into any bad weather.

    5. Re:Realistic? by silas_moeckel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had a friend with a small plane years ago that did exactly that a couple small scooters it in the back cargo compartment very nicely.

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    6. Re:Realistic? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. It will be a bad car or a bad plane or most likly both.

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    7. Re:Realistic? by HarvardAce · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I understand the desire for a true flying car like in the Jetsons (one that really hovers/floats). I don't really understand the desire for a hybrid car/airplane. Many other /.ers have pointed out the drawbacks of having a hybrid car/airplane, including the fact that very little of the equipment required for flight or driving would be shared. Would having a hybrid car/airplane be cost/time efficient compared to having a separate car and airplane?
      The way I see it, a hybrid car/plane would likely be around the same cost as a separate car and plane. In addition, the performance of the separate car and plane should be substantially better than the hybrid in terms of speed/fuel efficiency/safety. Since you have to drive to the local airstrip before you can take off in the hybrid, you aren't saving any appreciable time in getting in the air (and converting to the plane would likely take longer than moving your stuff from the car to the airplane). The only drawback I can see of having the separate plane/car is that once you arrive at your destination, you do not have a means of travel away from the airport at your destination. However, given the ubiquity of rental car agencies in/near airports, you could rent a car and once again have that mobility at your destination. I can't imagine that the cost of the rental car would be greater than the difference in fuel economy between a separate car/plane and a hybrid.
      Until I can get in my car and lift off right from my driveway (and hover, instead of flying), I don't see the "flying car" concept ever getting off the ground (pun intended).

      Thinking about it some more, why are all these flying car concepts based on fixed-wing designs for the flying part? It would seem that a rotor-based aircraft would be more suitable to a flying car. A rotor-based aircraft could easily fold up the rotors in less than the footprint of a normal car, there are no wings to worry about, and a car's shape is more aerodynamically inclined to a rotor aircraft than a fixed-wing aircraft. You would also be able to take off from nearly anywhere a car could drive.

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    8. Re:Realistic? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Whatever... have you tried taking short flights?

      Most of the time is spent getting to and from the airport (tram + airport express, bus + picked up by my parents back home), waiting in line through safety control, waiting to board, waiting to get off, getting my luggage and so on and so forth. Actual flight time is 50 mins, in practise it takes me at least three hours door to door. I could drive but we're talking 6-7 hours, which is quite long plus you have to actually drive. If I could throw my luggage in the back, drive to the nearest takeoff strip and just take off, leave the autopilot to do the flying then cover in maybe 1hr @ 400km/h what I cover in 5hrs @ 80km/h on the ground, I'm suddenly looking at a 2-3 hour trip with a 1-2 hour drive, which would be basicly my private jet.

      That's not counting where I lived before, where it took 2hrs to get to the damn airport. If I could take off nearby, since it's out in the middle of nowhere where an air strip would bother many, I could be almost home before I'd get to the airport otherwise. In short, it sounds rather good. Of course, it depends on how many kazillion such a thing would cost, operating cost, safety and reliability, government regulation and requirements (e.g. a full flight certificate would pretty much make it out of the question) but to me it certainly seems like a viable way to travel.

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    9. Re:Realistic? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      have you tried taking short flights?

      Yes, but I try not to.
      A 'flying car' is not a car, but rather an airplane that happens to be (marginally) able to be driven on the public roads. For flight, it would require lots of the same stuff as a standard light aircraft. You can't just take an eye test, get your license, hop in and buzz around the block.

      Of course, it depends on how many kazillion such a thing would cost,

      Lots and lots.

      operating cost

      Lots and lots. Certified aircraft require licensed mechanics ($$$) doing required routine inspections. Lots more than your car.

      safety and reliability

      Possibly good

      government regulation and requirements (e.g. a full flight certificate would pretty much make it out of the question)


      It would require such.

      but to me it certainly seems like a viable way to travel.

      From the looks of this thing, it would appear to be only useful on the ground when going to and from the airport. NOT useful as a 'car'. It would be cheaper/easier to own/rent a Cessna, and simply drive your regular car to the local little airstrip.

    10. Re:Realistic? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      I find that the biggest blind spot is the one behind the wheel. I'm regularly confronted with a person merging who refuses to look for traffic. I figure they belive that if they don't see me then I'm not there.

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    11. Re:Realistic? by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 1

      While it would be nice if less land was wasted on roads and parking I doubt that flying vehicles would lessen the need for roads (they'd keep them just for trucks). Plus, people drive like maniacs on the ground, now picture them in the air. At least if there is an accident on a road I don't have to worry about a car coming out of the sky onto me.

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    12. Re:Realistic? by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      550lb total payload. -120lb gas, -200lb pilot + 150lb passenger = 80lb left. What...you were eplanning on bringing a little luggage?

      Actually, it's perfect for day trips to go skiing, or weekend jaunts to a city on the other side of a state... Now if only I had $150K lying around...

    13. Re:Realistic? by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm with you. This doesn't seem that viable as an automobile, nor all that great as an airplane, though I guess it would be better than paying hangar fees if you already fly a small airplane....

      As for a flying car, the whole "air strip" thing ruins it for me. An ultralight homebrew helicopter can take off anywhere and can be driven without a pilot's license. If your main goal is to have a flying vehicle to replace your car for typical trips, that would be a much better choice. Besides, small aircraft don't generally fly that much faster than a car (like maybe half again faster, though three or four times what you can drive a car legally in most places). Unless you're doing a long haul, it won't save enough time to be worth the fuel costs---particularly when you consider how thoroughly poor the aerodynamics of an automobile would be when flying (and how badly the extra weight would kill the fuel economy while driving as well).

      What I want to see is a helicopter built into a normal automobile. Get a special exemption in the laws so that you could fly it up to a certain altitude in VFR weather over existing roadways without a pilot's license. That would be far more useful in my opinion. The times when I'd want a flying car basically equate to "when traffic is slow". Once traffic is slow, it's too late to take a different route so you can find an airfield. As a non-pilot, as far as I'm concerned, if my flying car can't take off right in the middle of Highway 17 and land atop the parking garage in downtown Santa Cruz, I'm not interested. :-)

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    14. Re:Realistic? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      What I want to see is a helicopter built into a normal automobile.

      Helicopters are harder to fly than fixed wing.

      As a non-pilot, as far as I'm concerned, if my flying car can't take off right in the middle of Highway 17 and land atop the parking garage in downtown Santa Cruz, I'm not interested. :-)

      To land on the parking garage, you need VERY close traffic control (stacking up for landing at 8:00 am), and automated 10" precision in 30mph crosswinds. Not doable with any conventional aircraft.

      Picture your current office parking lot. But as everyone comes in at 8 AM, they take minimum 5 minutes to make that 4 second turn off the street into the parking lot. Long line, right? Drop the last 500 feet, fold the wings/rotors into stow config, reconfigure the drivetrain into road confog, move out of the landing area...easily 5 minutes. There are only so many 'landing spots'.
      oh, and where are you going to land when you get home? How big is your yard?

    15. Re:Realistic? by slacktide · · Score: 1

      Spot on with your first comment... but 550 lb total payload is more than your typical Cessna 150. The one I fly has a useful load of 458 lbs. That's your total for fuel, oil, passengers, and baggage.

    16. Re:Realistic? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Interesting. That makes their capacity/speed/range claims even more outlandish. If a dedicated, similar size light aircraft can't carry that much payload, how do these guys expect to get more from their (not yet built) prototype, when also carrying all the road-necessary crap?
      They can't.

    17. Re:Realistic? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      You mean the allowable limit with a full load of fuel. Engineers don't print the allowable limit, for fear that people will "go a little over". 550# is not an absolute limit. The last time I went away for a weekend, we had a 10lb backpack and a 15-20lb bag'o'stuff - including the "camera gear". Oh, plus 10lbs of drinks, ice, and snacks in a small cooler. If there were a 3rd seat, I could have even brought along my 5 year old and still been under the limit (Although I'm a biscuit shy of 200lbs, my wife is only 120#) by 15lbs. I suppose that would have been enough to account for the heavy meal the night before we left and the stuffed animal souvenir we picked up, don't you think? As for bad weather...you can always drive.

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    18. Re:Realistic? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Landing in an actual parking place would be nuts. :-) No specialized landing system would be needed for a helicar under more realistic landing conditions. Just find a spot with several empty parking spaces in a row, put it down, retract the blades, and drive it as a car into a parking place closer to the building. Admittedly, if everyone did this at the same time, it could be a problem, but it isn't outside the realm of possibility. Besides, you're forgetting the aisles between cars. Unless a car happens to be pulling in or out right then, it would be a much easier location for landing.

      My office parking lot... I come in at about ten, but even at earlier times I've never had any significant delays parking. We have an outer rim parking lot that is almost always empty and thus landing there would be pretty easy.

      My home is another matter, of course. However, the street has almost zero traffic, so assuming the blades don't extend far enough to prevent touching down in the middle of a standard two lane street without hitting houses, it isn't that implausible.

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  14. This won't ever become mainstream by MrToast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This won't ever become mainstream without a serious amount of automated control. We already have enough problems driving in two dimensions. I can't even begin to imagine driving in three.

    1. Re:This won't ever become mainstream by farker+haiku · · Score: 0

      you'll find on the second page of TFA that it's automated.

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    2. Re:This won't ever become mainstream by nuzak · · Score: 1

      The FAA's Personal Aviation program mandates full automation. You take it to a pad, tell it where you want to go, and the rest is up to the flight control network to get you there.

      Yeah, that software. I'll admit their requirements on avionics are top notch, but I'm not sure I want the clusterfuck that's been pretty much every replacement for the aging air traffic control system in charge of hurtling me to my destination.

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    3. Re:This won't ever become mainstream by SLOviper · · Score: 1

      Actually, driving only requires the control of one dimension - yaw.
      Flying adds both pitch and roll.

      Don't worry, I was confused when I first thought about it too. ;-)

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    4. Re:This won't ever become mainstream by noidentity · · Score: 1

      We already have enough problems driving in two dimensions. I can't even begin to imagine driving in three.

      So driving in one dimension would reduce problems? I think you've got things reversed.

    5. Re:This won't ever become mainstream by jollyreaper · · Score: 1

      This won't ever become mainstream without a serious amount of automated control. We already have enough problems driving in two dimensions. I can't even begin to imagine driving in three. Funny you should mention that. The most recent flying car proposals I've seen are completely automated. A joystick is there but it exists solely for requesting a possible flight path --- the computer overrules the passenger at all times.

      We already have autopilot software capable of take-offs, landings, and navigation. Flying is actually easier than driving because there's less random inputs to the equation (i.e. stupid idiot human drivers.) But even at that, the military is making huge advances in autonomous driving systems. This is shit that I thought would be as far off as practical commercial fusion reactors or flying cars but it's in the works as we speak.

      If we go with fully automated traffic control, we can leave airports out of the equation. We could just designate certain parts of the road as runways and let the traffic computers plan flights.

      Personally, though, I'd rather see personal rapid transit systems perfected before flying cars. http://www.skytran.net/ This one always struck me as neat. Again, what makes a concept like this revolutionary is computer traffic control to handle the routing of the cars. With light cars, light monorails can be used and thus lower traffic routes will still be profitable for the transit authority to operate.
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    6. Re:This won't ever become mainstream by iiii · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying I would trust the software - as a software developer I have seen and learned too much to ever implicitly trust *any* complex software - but I would take my chances with software *long* before I would go up into the air with the yahoos I see on the road every day. Talking on their cell phones, or worse yet, texting, while they tailgate, in the rain, at night. Some of those people are dangerous even when they are *trying* to pay attention. Letting them fly might have a positive Darwinian effect, but I don't want to be anywhere near that when it happens. If you are going to open the airspace up to the general public, automation, with all its faults, is the only possible way.

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    7. Re:This won't ever become mainstream by icebrain · · Score: 1

      I don't want herds of autonomous airplanes for an entirely selfish reason--those of us that CAN fly an airplane competently will wind up restricted and forced out of the way.

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    8. Re:This won't ever become mainstream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you consider it instantaneously, they're really the same thing. And we walk in three dimensions all the time. Heck, have you ever played a flight sim?

    9. Re:This won't ever become mainstream by MarsDefenseMinister · · Score: 1

      Oh come on, how hard can it be? We can track millions of computer packets on an Ethernet hub but we can't keep two planes from crashing into each other? Unpossible!

      (ok, let's see how many people tell me how Ethernet works. Trust me, somebody's going to miss the point and tell me how Ethernet works. Even after I said they'd do it.)

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    10. Re:This won't ever become mainstream by nuzak · · Score: 1

      Oh, we're in violent agreement here, I'd rather let the automation handle it. Hell, I think that would be a fine idea for freeways too, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Let's just say I'm happy waiting for a couple of decades after the beta test :)

      I guess that makes me one of those old technology-distrusting codgers. I think they're really on to something.

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    11. Re:This won't ever become mainstream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having to explain your joke puts it in a different collision domain than my sense of humour.

    12. Re:This won't ever become mainstream by m50d · · Score: 1

      You do realise it's actually a lot *harder* to collide with someone else in three dimensions, yes?

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    13. Re:This won't ever become mainstream by Froeschle · · Score: 1

      "You do realise it's actually a lot *harder* to collide with someone else in three dimensions, yes?"

      It's a lot easier than you might think. Aircraft fly at specific altitudes when traveling in certain directions. For VFR Easterly odd 1500 foot altitudes and Westerly even 1500 foot altitudes. (Leave off the 500 feet for IFR). Additionally airplanes are usually on airways and if not on airways often on direct paths between airports. Midair collisions are a far more serious threat than one might think at first.

    14. Re:This won't ever become mainstream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though, these would be great to allow Darwinism to take effect. Weed out those that are dumb enough to buy it and then not pay attention when its needed (such as it is now with people behind the wheel of a 5 ton SUV on the phone using the lane they are in and half of mine)

    15. Re:This won't ever become mainstream by MarsDefenseMinister · · Score: 1

      Without the explanation some moron would point out that Ethernet has all kinds of collisions. I'd rather nobody laughed than nobody understood.

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  15. Similar to the AeroCar by krilid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This looks very similar to the AeroCar on display at the Seattle Museum of Flight. http://www.airventuremuseum.org/collection/aircraft/Taylor%20Aerocar.asp From what I recall the AeroCar actually came close to serial production back in the 40s-50s, however was ultimately dropped.

    1. Re:Similar to the AeroCar by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      This quasi-airplane/quasi-automobile is one of those dammed ideas that simply will not die. Some damm fool reinvents this bastardization every five-ten years or so, then economic and engineering reality sets in and the company folds away never to be heard of again.

    2. Re:Similar to the AeroCar by ppanon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, if we had nanotechnology that could make diamondoid structural materials, wing-sized monomolecular graphite sheets, and multi-meter nanotube cables, then you could probably pull off some decent highly-collapsible wings. At that point, you've probably also got either vacuum fluctuation or molecular distortion batteries powerful enough to power electric motors that can be re-configured to drive either wheels or a propeller.

      So probably another 50-100 year wait.

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    3. Re:Similar to the AeroCar by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      in 50 to 100 years we'll just teleport around, flying is for the birds

    4. Re:Similar to the AeroCar by CodyRazor · · Score: 0

      "I vaguely remember seeing something like this in some old footage... which leads me to beleive its not going to end well..."

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    5. Re:Similar to the AeroCar by ross.w · · Score: 2, Funny

      But only if you can produce an inverse phase tachyon pulse and feed it back into the warp drive via the phaser array.

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    6. Re:Similar to the AeroCar by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, when all else fails pull out the buzzwords and wave them around.

  16. Consistency please? by BlackPignouf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Submitters, please either bring us crapload of algae/hybrid/electrical/fuel cell/ethanol/biodiesel/thyme-powered car stories, OR X-wing/SUV/flying-car ones, but not both. It justs doesn't make sense to prone energy-efficiency on one hand and use barrels worth of oil for stupid stuff on the other. Thank you.

  17. Most important thing to know by MiniMike · · Score: 2, Funny

    Will it come with OnStar?

    Look out below!

  18. Unleaded fuel???? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    I find it interesting they're claiming it'll run on plain old unleaded fuel.

    Especially since aircraft tend to run on a higher grade of fuel because they need all of the energy they can muster to actually achieve flight.

    I'm gonna need to see a working prototype before I think anyone has achieved VTOL on unleaded fuel and in a package which can both safely fly and drive. To date, the military with very big budgets hasn't always been able to make VTOL work.

    Until then, this is just an "artists rendition" of something.

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    1. Re:Unleaded fuel???? by russ1337 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Who says it's VTOL?

      This one has wings that fold out and takes off and lands conventionally - hence the bit about finding a runway...

    2. Re:Unleaded fuel???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn to read.

      Basically, you drive around like normal. On long trips, you make a hop by driving to the airport, taking off, landing at another airport, then continue on to your destination.

    3. Re:Unleaded fuel???? by russ1337 · · Score: 1

      To reply to my own comment.... FTFA:

      "The Transition isn't a PAV; it's a normal light aircraft which can fold its wings at the touch of a button and become a car, and which runs on unleaded.

    4. Re:Unleaded fuel???? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Who says it's VTOL?

      You sir, are exactly correct. When I read the first paragraph of TFA, I saw ...

      In such a machine you could simply jump into your car outside your house, quietly lift off vertically, fly somewhere even in bad visibility and congested airspace, and set down again equally vertically.

      and misinterpreted the nature of the beast.

      You are absolutely correct, there is nothing VTOL about this machine at all. My bad. =)

      Cheers
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    5. Re:Unleaded fuel???? by terraformer · · Score: 1

      Well, I am glad to see the grand tradition of not RTFA is still alive after ten years. It is not VTOL. I has foldable wings and classifies as a Light-Sport aircraft (one up from a super light) with low velocity (high lift) horizontal take off and landing. A good old fashioned paved private air strip will suffice. Still stinks in areas around cities.

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    6. Re:Unleaded fuel???? by russ1337 · · Score: 1

      No probs!!

      Those guys at the Register are pretty good at letting you think you're reading one thing while it actually says something different....

      I always read their articles with a 'what are they really saying', and usually read someone else's article on the same topic to see how much FUD/exaggeration they crammed in there...

      I still agree with your premise that their pushing sh*t up hill with a very small stick....

    7. Re:Unleaded fuel???? by icebrain · · Score: 2, Informative

      Standard avgas is 100 octane low-lead, to mitigate detonation in traditional engines (Lycoming, Continental, etc). Most of these older engines haven't changed much since the 30s.

      A lot of the newer, smaller engines, like Rotaxes and Jabirus, can run on automotive unleaded gas (often 93 octane). The older engines often can too, though you have to be careful as ethanol can eat up seals in the fuel system and give you a very bad day. This is getting more popular as gas prices rise

      We're also starting to see airplanes with computer-controlled diesel engines running on standard Jet-A.

      Also, the vehicle in TFA isn't VTOL--it would need a runway like any other airplane.

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    8. Re:Unleaded fuel???? by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      I still agree with your premise that their pushing sh*t up hill with a very small stick....

      Well, it wasn't my original premise ... but, I like yours better and it's much more succinct. We'll go with that one. :-P

      Cheers
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    9. Re:Unleaded fuel???? by EricTheMad · · Score: 1

      I find it interesting they're claiming it'll run on plain old unleaded fuel. Many of the newer aircraft engines meant for smaller aircraft are designed to allow for the use of auto gas, as well as 100 octane avgas.
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    10. Re:Unleaded fuel???? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      I'm gonna need to see a working prototype before I think anyone has achieved VTOL on unleaded fuel and in a package which can both safely fly and drive.


      Um, its a folding-wing light propellor driven aircraft with a road drivetrain to allow you to drive to a runway from your home on regular roads, convert to an aircraft, and take-off and fly to your destination runway, land, fold wings, and drive on the road to your final destination. Its not VTOL. Its not a jet. Its not time machine. Its not lots of things, and neither TFA nor even TFS claimed it was any of those things. Its just a really light plane with folding wings, and a drivetrain for the road.

      If you are going to be skeptical of a claim, fine, but be skeptical of something actually claimed in either TFA or at least TFS.
    11. Re:Unleaded fuel???? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      There are lots of light aircraft that can run on regular fuel. Most of them will also take aviation fuel though, and your maintenance is lower if you use the good stuff.

  19. alternately by farker+haiku · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ecogeek is reporting that you can get a car that looks like an airplane and gets close to 300 mpg. It also starts selling next year. The car in question is pretty sexy - you can preorder one at this extremely annoying web page.

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    1. Re:alternately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I would love to drive one of those ... right up to the point when some soccer mom squashes me like a bug with her Excursion.

      "honey ... what was that bump?"

    2. Re:alternately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SUV drivers should be dragged from their vehicles and beaten to death.

    3. Re:alternately by Rudisaurus · · Score: 1

      It also stays light by doing away with one of the wheels. This also helps because then, according to American safety regulations, it is technically a motorcycle, and so doesn't have to jump through any of the normal safety hoops. This keeps weight (and costs) way down, but it also makes it pretty fantastically unsafe (but, of course, no less safe than a motorcycle.)
      From the L-TFA ... now there's a strong selling point! I'm definitely up for a vehicle that doesn't have to jump through any of the normal safety hoops. They're just such a nuisance!
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    4. Re:alternately by akasch · · Score: 0

      looks like trhe next big thing - I better update my resume

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    5. Re:alternately by yetanotherforgottenl · · Score: 1

      What a very strange spambot-like human -- or human-like spambot? -- akasch is.

      (This is not the first akasch post to spam a link.)

      e.

  20. Fairly realistic? Sounds familiar by DJ+Jones · · Score: 1

    Fairly realistic operating system - released January 30, 2007.

    "If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison

  21. Heh.... by pimpbott · · Score: 1

    ... looks like some of the ricer street racer kiddie Honda Civics around here. Just put some purple neon tubes underneath, some 19" rear rims and 15" steel wheels on the front (complete with cupped and heat deformed tires) and you can take it to the local industrial park for some good times.

  22. What does the FAA say about it? by schwit1 · · Score: 0

    I'm sure this THING won't fly at the FAA. Their certification standards are extreme and rightfully so.

    1. Re:What does the FAA say about it? by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm sure this THING won't fly at the FAA.


      Based on what, exactly? Something particular in TFA that you can point to that is problematic with the FAA? TFA indicates that the manufacturers have been working with both the FAA and the NHTSA (the latter of which may be a bigger barrier.)
  23. Pros and Cons: by __aailob1448 · · Score: 1

    The article says its top speed in the air is 115 mph. That's too slow.

    Also, the carrying capacity is very limited with a capacity of 2 people or 1 person with luggage. 2 people with luggage is a much more acceptable figure.

    The autonomy is less than 500 miles in the air, not so great for interstate trips.

    The air mileage mileage, however is 25 mpg. That's good mileage.

    And it has a 120 gallons fuel capacity, not bad at all for a car.

    1. Re:Pros and Cons: by TheUglyAmerican · · Score: 1

      It wasn't 120 gal of fuel, it was 120 lbs. That's 20 gal. The Rotax (depending on model) uses about 4 gal/hr so that's 4 hours plus reserve.

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    2. Re:Pros and Cons: by Gospodin · · Score: 1

      The autonomy is less than 500 miles in the air, not so great for interstate trips.

      Depends where you live - if you're in the western U.S., Canada or Australia, it's not so great. In the eastern U.S. or Europe it's fine. 500 miles range can get me from NYC to Boston or DC easily, bypassing heavily-trafficked roadways.

      The air mileage mileage, however is 25 mpg. That's good mileage.

      Eh, it's OK. Per passenger-mile a 747 is better. :)

      And it has a 120 gallons fuel capacity, not bad at all for a car.

      Not bad? That's freakin' huge for a car. However, it has a 120 pound fuel capacity, which is more like 17-18 gallons.

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    3. Re:Pros and Cons: by EricTheMad · · Score: 1

      The autonomy is less than 500 miles in the air, not so great for interstate trips. My car will do about 400 miles on a tank of gas. You know what I do when it gets low? I fill up the tank.
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  24. Security Checks? by yogibaer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just imagine, driving a car from the street onto an airstrip, with several gallons of liquids in the tank and a trunk big enough to house a thermonuclear device. Why do you need a button for transfoming it into an airplane? Airport security will dismantle it anyway before allowing it onto the runway and I am sure for a couple of dollars extra, they'll reassemble your car as an airplane. Saves a lot in production cost, if you do not need all the fancy pneumatics, hydraulics and transforming gizmos...

    1. Re:Security Checks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just imagine, driving a car from the street onto an airstrip, with several gallons of liquids in the tank and a trunk big enough to house a thermonuclear device.
      Erm, yeah, because the rate-limiting step in developing and deploying a terrorist thermonuclear device is sneaking it past security at a general aviation airport.
    2. Re:Security Checks? by Joe5678 · · Score: 1

      Security at general aviation airports is very very lax compared to the airports most of us are used to.

  25. Meanwhile, in other news ... by PPH · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    GM announces the capability to stall cars via the OnStar system
    (here).

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    1. Re:Meanwhile, in other news ... by LindaMack · · Score: 0

      How is the parent poster offtopic? Makes me imagine flying cars being stalled and dropping from the sky, appropriately on bad-ass moderators :p

    2. Re:Meanwhile, in other news ... by guabah · · Score: 1

      Steal one of those aircars with OnStar and it'll be quite a show.

  26. Unleaded Gas by bostons1337 · · Score: 0

    Aren't we suppose to be trying to get away from our dependence on gasoline? This car is probably such a gas guzzler it will way too much to maintain it.

  27. What are the odds...? by butterwise · · Score: 5, Funny

    If the average person is 60 times more likely to die in a car crash than plane crash, what are the odds of dying in a flying car crash?

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    1. Re:What are the odds...? by nateb · · Score: 1

      Somewhere around 10 to 1? :P

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  28. The chase... by tunafreedolphin · · Score: 2, Funny

    I can't wait to watch that high speed chase.

  29. granny by waterford0069 · · Score: 1

    Would you want your grandmother flying it?

    'nuff said.

    1. Re:granny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No! She's dead you insensitive clod!
      Everyone knows dead grannys can't drive.
      Last time she tried she kept stopping to pick up more fresh brains

  30. nada by mugnyte · · Score: 4, Insightful


      The construction of a plane is nowhere nearly hardy enough for typical road use. If you end up hitting just a bit of potholes, speedbumps, etc, are you ready to that vehicle in the air? Hell, cars these days are build with crash bumpers that are supposed to take a 5mph bump without driveability-affecting damage - no planes have them. The undercarriage of a car includes some of the world's most advanced engineering tuned for stability, handling, suspension and road noise - which adds significant weight. A plane has a few wheels (one that turns) and struts, nothing so complicated - because its light and just durable enough for landing on the runway. TFA mentions drivetrain and wing storage as two other clashing designs, but there are several more (road worthiness, air worthiness, strength, durability, luxury, maintenance).

      It comes down to tuning for the target environment. A car is not a boat. A plane is not a car. Shoes are not wheels. Targeting two has predictable results: Everyone is let down.

    1. Re:nada by HarvardAce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Shoes are not wheels. Targeting two has predictable results: Everyone is let down. Judging by the popularity of roller shoes -- I don't think I've been to a store/mall/public place without seeing several kids with them -- I'd have to disagree with you. I think your premise is true in general, but shoes/wheels is a very bad example of it.
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    2. Re:nada by hurfy · · Score: 1

      You have any idea how rough a landing some of those little struts can take ? Not so good on side loading but doable.

      That is not a problem. The car part will be.

      Don't they require airbags and a certain amount of survivablity in different crash situations now? Really doubt you can get all that under 1400 lbs. That is like half of a Mini Cooper isn't it ?!? My 1800 lb Opel has no airbags and would fail any kind of side impact standard, adding wings and a prop while shaving 400lbs seems pretty tough.

      Oh and a fender bender that does $40000 in damage would kinda suck too.

      Personally i would prefer NOT having a one-touch wing...give me payload or range.
      I am going to get out to preflight it anyway i hope. I wonder where they hide the gas drain....

    3. Re:nada by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      You have any idea how rough a landing some of those little struts can take ? Not so good on side loading but doable.

      Yes they can take a good hit, but with a serious lack of car-level comfort. The ride on the ground in a light aircraft is endurable for the few minutes it takes to get off the ground. That same ride quality in a car trip of any length would be unacceptable.

    4. Re:nada by lennier · · Score: 1

      "It comes down to tuning for the target environment. A car is not a boat. A plane is not a car. Shoes are not wheels. Targeting two has predictable results: Everyone is let down."

      Or, you get rollerskates.

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    5. Re:nada by turing_m · · Score: 1

      "It comes down to tuning for the target environment. A car is not a boat. A plane is not a car. Shoes are not wheels. Targeting two has predictable results: Everyone is let down."

      Maybe it was designed by committee?

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    6. Re:nada by mugnyte · · Score: 1


        One word: stairs

  31. Ah, yes, terrafugia by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the latin, "terra" meaning "ground" and "fugia" meaning "flight into."

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    1. Re:Ah, yes, terrafugia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, my Latin is a bit rusty, but "Fugia" means "to flee" or "to escape". As in, "to escape the ground".

      Not particularly clever, but hey, they don't seem to mind the name...

    2. Re:Ah, yes, terrafugia by jollyreaper · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, my Latin is a bit rusty, but "Fugia" means "to flee" or "to escape". As in, "to escape the ground".

      Not particularly clever, but hey, they don't seem to mind the name... "Flight" can also mean escape. Using that word made more sense when talking about an airplane. I also wanted to avoid the obvious Bush Administration reference with "terra" and "flight" because then we'd be talking about extraordinary rendition and there's nothing funny about that.
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    3. Re:Ah, yes, terrafugia by Criffer · · Score: 1

      Boeing have a term for navigational instrument failure - for example when the altimeter reads several thousand feet below actual altitude:

      They call it CFIT - Controlled Flight Into Terrain.

  32. I would of expected to see . . . by corifornia2 · · Score: 0

    Hm.. I RTFA and what I would expect to see in an article about a flying car, is well. . . maybe it flying.

    It can't fly yet . . . then its not a flying car. Its a car with wings.
    Look I found someone else who invented a flying car and you can build it at home for just a few dollars!!!

  33. common mod by zogger · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's a common mod to make a little cessna fly on regular gas. Ya, they fly better with avgas, but they can fly perfectly fine with car gas. I'm sitting right this second about 400 yards away from a 172 that gets flown all the time with such a mod.

  34. Plummet! by popmaker · · Score: 1

    Wel all have told, or have heard someone tell about how our or someone else's car ran out of gas in the middle of the dessert - or the engine failed for some inexplicable reason. Well... we certainly won't be hearing those stories anymore!

  35. sentient cars by sentientspace · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't it be more reasonable and rewarding to develop cars that can sense/react to their environment and drive themselves in the first place?

  36. I hope it never happens by Techx9 · · Score: 1

    I really hope to god that the general public is never allowed to fly any vehicles, just look at how downright horrible people drive cars and trucks. Even after written and driving tests, they do nothing to keep them from creating havoc on the roads. I can only imagine how much more dangerous it would be in the air, and add to that the vastly increased potential for terrorism. On the other hand, public transportation like local air-buses would be ok I think, but nothing will be without risk.

  37. You'd do what for a flying car?!? by cain · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let's get this out of the way: flying car.

  38. "Fairly Realistic" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    exactly what does this mean in the context of a vehicle that one would be risking their life to fly in

    it better be pretty damn realistic, if I'm going to sit in it

  39. And they never DID develp Flubber. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Antigravity makes flying vehicles much more controllable.

    And violating conservation of energy (or puling the extra energy from somewhere unexplained) helps a lot with fuel costs.

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  40. 5 MPH crash standard. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    So who cares if the thing can fly...you're probably going to get creamed once you join up with traffic on a busy road.

    My first thought on seeing that was: "What's a fender-bender going to do to your expensive folding plane when the 'fender' is a wing?"

    Will these things be airworthy after a 5MPH crash? Bet they're not.

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    1. Re:5 MPH crash standard. by Endo13 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, especially when you realize it has to weigh less than 1320 pounds to qualify for the sports plane designation they need. And for that matter, how on earth will this thing even be drivable in bad weather? Seems to me the least bit of wind gusts would have you all over the road.

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  41. The Weight Problem by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Not likely to "fly", in any sense of the word.

    To be a capable and licenseable road vehicle, it needs to have things like Lights, Bumpers, Side-Impact protection. Not to mention meet pollution regulations. And um, pneumatic tires, wheels, a transmission, and capable brakes. Those all add a heck of a lot of weight. At least 500 pounds that an airplane does not need. So it's going to be a mighty lousy airplane. Carrying a useless 500 pounds at air-freight costs is not an economical way to fly.

    Then there are the FAA regulations, which are very strict, and hardly in conformance with the road regulations. Many very basic regulations about configuration are very hard to reconcile with the needs of an auto. The alternative is to license it as an experimental aircraft, which gives you some freedoms, but closes a lot of windows too-- making the plane difficult to insure, finance, and restricts its uses.

    1. Re:The Weight Problem by ducman · · Score: 1

      Doesn't anyone else think it's sad that basically all the reasons people are giving that "it won't work" are that government regulations will not allow it to work?

      If I could get a real air-car, I certainly wouldn't insist that it have bumpers and side impact protection.

      The parent of this post at least holds out some hope. I wonder if there's some way to license it as an experimental aircraft for FAA purposes and as a motorcycle for road purposes? None of my motorcycles have airbags, bumpers, side impact protection, etc....

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    2. Re:The Weight Problem by wjsteele · · Score: 1

      Whew... I guess it's a good thing my Beechcraft Skipper doesn't have lights, brakes, wheels, pneumatic tires and... oh, wait a minute... it has all of those features!

      Hmmm... I guess I could shed some additional weight from my plane if I removed all that unneeded stuff, huh?

      Bill

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    3. Re:The Weight Problem by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1
      >Whew... I guess it's a good thing my Beechcraft Skipper doesn't have lights, brakes, wheels, pneumatic tires and... oh, wait a minute... it has all of those features!

      Yes it does. Now take a stopwatch and your Skipper out on a real road and time how long it takes for something to break.

      Airplane wheels, tires, and brakes are designed for short and infrequent rolls down a nice flat runway or grass field. Not subject to typical road bumps, potholes and sudden stops. Not to mention steering and cornering forces.

  42. Don't expect consistency. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    This is slashdot. The population is diverse.

    Thinking of "submitters" as a homogeneous mass of nearly-identical units is the kind of category/magical thinking characteristic of the old-line media. That's one of the reasons they're dying off as the internet rises.

    Here on the internet the population really is diverse.

    Heck: The same individual is often "diverse" from hour to hour. B-)

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  43. When My Engine Stops by nate+nice · · Score: 1

    When my engine stops, either due to failure or me forgetting to add more gasoline, it stops. It stops on the road it was driving on. In general this isn't a dangerous proposition.

    However, when my airplane stops for similar reasons, it stops. It stops and it falls out of the sky, accelerating towards the Earth. I very likely die.

    I guess what I'm saying is if Ford starts making these, I won't be shopping those lots.

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    1. Re:When My Engine Stops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, when my airplane stops for similar reasons, it stops. It stops and it falls out of the sky, accelerating towards the Earth.
      No it doesn't. It glides down, not accelerating at all. A safe landing in such an event can be tricky but is entirely doable.
    2. Re:When My Engine Stops by nate+nice · · Score: 1

      I'm sticking with my statement, "I very likely die". Also, I wouldn't buy one made by Ford. Or GM for that matter.

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    3. Re:When My Engine Stops by lazarusdishwasher · · Score: 1

      I guess what I'm saying is if Ford starts making these, I won't be shopping those lots.
      Ford has made airplanes before. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_trimotor
  44. No submarine capability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the fucking point if it can't submerge to 20 atmospheres? Sheesh!! When will these companies learn that if you're going to try to sell exotic products you have to do it right? I'll wait until they build something that's actually cool.

  45. Realistic? by MobyDisk · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article spends most of the time talking about how hard it would be to create a flying car, and it includes a 3D rendering of someone's concept vehicle. Then, the last page has a quote from a non-existant company about how they will exist in 2009, even though the engineering required to build it isn't even known yet. The first page even links to an article about how NASA helped finance a flying car but there were no takers. I'll be driving a Moller Skycar powered by a perpetual motion device before this thing even makes it past a design review.

  46. Screw the flying car! by qzulla · · Score: 1
  47. NO LANDING by mustangdavis · · Score: 1

    I can't wait!!

    Instead of "No Parking" signs everywhere, you'll see "NO LANDING" everywhere, including on the top of every building!!

    Where will the aliens park? :)

  48. It's more complicated than that... by StressGuy · · Score: 1

    It's doable from and energy standpoint, but auto gas often has a higher vapor pressure than avgas. This thing will possible (probably?) need beefier fuel pumps than a typical aircraft to avoid vapor lock situations.

    The real problems, as I see it, will be intergrating two disparate systems and organizing two fundamentally different control sets (flying and driving) from a single cockpit.

    A few people have also commented on the 550 lb payload, that's actually fairly reasonable for a light plane.

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  49. road plane by shvytejimas · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of SkyCar http://www.moller.com/ Though these types of 'cars' look like attempts to make private planes road-legal. I was expecting something more along the lines of hovercraft this time...

  50. DMV Expanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the DMV might need to get a new class vehicle. Class 0 Airplane

  51. Fairly Realistic? by kalel666 · · Score: 1

    "Fairly Realistic Flying Car Offered for 2009 Delivery"

    Well, as "fairly realistic" as the chance of the average slashdotter getting laid.

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  52. Re:Everyone is a criminal, everything is a weapon. by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Funny

    Swarthy_faces + flying_cars = 9/11_repeat. Too small to be dangerous. They'd be more of an annoyance- large buildings would each require a King Kong to hold on to the side and swat rogue cars away.
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  53. Yeesh... by epp_b · · Score: 1

    Did anyone actually look at the thing? Yeah, it's got a ways to go before it's a "practical, four-door family car".

  54. Solution to blinkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Install a timer that burns out after ten minutes, and make it $1000 bucks to replace.

    Problem solved.

    Of course, you could just give old people real road tests (because it's old people who do the stupid blinker thing, save the flames you know it's true, and they don't get anything but an eye test in most places).

  55. Re:Meanwhile, in other news ... (is not offtopic) by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
    It's FUNNY you idiots.

    Picture flying car with OnStar.

    "Hello, OnStar - can we help you?"

    "Hey Onstar! - someone stole my flying car!"

    No problem... (bzzzzzzt!!!!) we've just stalled it out...

    NO!!!!

    Meanwhile, flying car plummets to earth, lands in a shopping mall killing hundreds. Government declares it a terrorist action. film at 11.

    RS

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  56. WTH! Not Flying Trains by Dareth · · Score: 1

    You insensitive clod! You can not imagine how often I find myself stuck by trains. And they just run on simple tracks. I mostly worked in the machine/computer room of my last employer. Only as a last last resort was I ever sent into the field. And then, they always figured I would spend at least 30 minutes waiting for a train.

    I once got stopped by a man waiving a flag at a train crossing that said it was decommissioned. The guy told me this was the first train that had run on this set of tracks in several years!

    That last thing I need or want is trains coming at me from the sky!

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  57. The rest of the world was *not* using Laserdisc by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    Just look at VHS tapes, we were on this while the rest of the world was on laserdisc. Bullshit- from what I've heard it was pretty successful in Japan, but that's hardly "the rest of the world." Apparently it was popular in some of the "more affluent regions of South East Asia" (acc. Wikipedia), but I very much doubt that Joe Average there had one in the same way that his American counterpart had a VHS video recorder.

    Laserdisc was even more of a niche product in Europe. It didn't flop completely, but it was tiny relative to VHS.

    (IIRC Video CD was genuinely popular in South East Asia in part because it was less prone to humidity problems. But that's a different case altogether. It's questionable as to whether Video CD's better than- or even as good as- VHS. Even if it was, the benefits wouldn't have been enough to warrant replacing/augmenting VCRs in Western markets where everyone already had VHS. (It's not even recordable- and I'm talking about when it came out, not the late-90s/early-00s period when Video CD-Rs were used as a poor-man's recordable DVD).
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  58. Not impossible, but ... by vtcodger · · Score: 1
    A flying car isn't impossible, but it isn't easy. Basically, you have to get all the stuff that belongs on a car -- brakes, transmission, muffler, onto the vehicle, then add things like wings, control surfaces, etc. Problem is that any vehicle that does that is going to be heavy. Even a very light car -- empty and with no fuel -- weighs more than the maximum takeoff weight of a typical small private plane. Throw in some add-ons like a pilot and a tank of gas, and there are going to be problems.

    Can a vehicle be built that can function as a fixed wing aircraft and also can trundle down the highway acting reasonably like the rest of the traffic? Maybe. But even if it can, it's likely to be a lousy aircraft and a worse car.

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  59. TCO? by olddotter · · Score: 1

    Sorry but global warming and the freaking high cost of fuel have made me lose my desire for a flying car.

    Heck cellphones make me lose the desire for a flying car. Who wants to be in the sky with someone chatting on the phone and applying lipstick in the rear view mirror at the same time?

  60. Roads? by mabersold · · Score: 1

    Where we're going we don't need roads.

  61. Moller Skycar for the win! by anarking · · Score: 1

    Looks like a piece of trash.

    Moller Skycar on the other hand... the M400 is beautiful and already operational! Scheduled for sale in December of next year! I can't wait to get one... well, $250,000 first...

  62. I look forward to our skies filled with ... by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    drug-addled mid-90s grannies with vision problems suffering heart attacks at high speeds. ...

    um, can someone lift this flying car off of my broken body?

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  63. Mostly harmless by essaunders · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I read the material and see this for what it is: an attempt to make an airplane drivable. It is clearly intended for use primarily as a plane (under visual flight rules only!) but can be driven on the roads to and from your house. The "carness" is supposed to be good enough to drive in bad weather that you wouldn't fly in. But, there is a note on the page that it really isn't suited for city driving.

    So, for the target audience, say a salesman with a large territory of fairly rural clients somewhat close to airports, this could be reasonable.

    Will it succeed? Who knows? how many new airplanes succeed? how many new cars succeed? They're having to beat both odds

  64. We've had flying cars since the '30s by KitsuneSoftware · · Score: 1

    Chances are, you've not noticed, but we've had flying cars since the 1930s. "Why don't we all have one?" I hear you ask. Main reason: it costs UK£10,000 to get a light aircraft pilot's licence.

  65. Pretty much 100% by aepervius · · Score: 1

    the way I see msot driver drive on road (seat belt ? why the govt is trying to impose law on me ? Speed limit ? They are for the others.... Orange/red light ? Come on I passed the crossing before the other road had their green. Bicycle ? Just let us ignore their right altogether, even if they come from the right side. Alchohol, drug and so on ? naturally I know my limit ! Phoning & driving ! That's ok I am good at it ! Turn light ? Are they decoration ? etc...etc...etc...). And before somebody tell us therre will be a "piloting" licence, well there is a driving one too, and cheer number statistic tell me that bad apple WILL get their pilot licence and do all the above, in the sky above your head.

    In other word, not a chance in hell regulator even let this become mainstream even if cost are cheap (which I don't think it would be).

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  66. Re:It's a datsun -- NO A Reliant Robin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This video demonstrates the flying car. As you can see it is a modified Reliant Robin, not a Datsun:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN3JjUUdjWU

  67. NASA wants this by wsanders · · Score: 1

    NASA and the FAA are actively promoting this idea, so cynicism about Homeland Security blocking this is probably unjustified. Real-world IFR conditions, drunk pilots, computer failures, poorly maintained vehicles, and $148K not exactly being an entry-level price point are more realistic obstacles.

    Although it's more of a goofball NASA idea than anything the FAA will ever have resources to carry out in the next century. NASA' vision is a fully automated system - just like Blade Runner and the Fifth Element, especially the dystopic future part where the rich swells live in their fortified country palaces and the proles make do with their hovels in the huge city:

    ""It is not intended for use by short-distance commuters, by people running errands, or for any trip through city traffic or under 100 miles ... if you travel between 100 and 500 miles at a stretch, particularly if your trip is either starting or ending in a more suburban or rural area, then the Transition® is for you"

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  68. Buildable, yes. Marketable, no. by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's no fundamental reason this thing can be built. It's a light sport aircraft with folding wings and good taxi capability. The wings just fold, which looks stupid in car mode but can be done without much trouble. They don't retract into the fuselage like one of the cooler-looking but unbuildable designs for flying cars. It's going to be a lousy car, though. Too fragile, and with all that sail area, hard to handle in a crosswind.

    There's probably a market for some kind of ducted-fan thrust vehicle usable in tight spots. Moller is unlikely to make his "Skycar" work, after forty years of failure. But someone else might. Such a vehicle needs turbine power, will cost as much as a jet helicopter, and will be a fuel hog. The military could use something they could drop down into an urban street. With helicopters, the rotor circle is too big for that.

    Interestingly, we're seeing small UAVs with those properties. Flying robots will be deployed before flying cars. The stability problem for small pure-thrust VTOL aircraft seems to have been solved.

  69. Some Info and the Company Website by OutaControl · · Score: 1

    The vehicle itself is intended for pilots (not your average driver) as a way to drive home if the weather gets rough. Don't think of this as your standard mass-produced city-cruising vehicle, as it is intended to be a specialty vehicle.

      The team of engineers is pretty solid (I know and have worked with several of them). They will deliver a viable vehicle. I do not know how the market looks or how well it will be received, but they are certainly getting support from the general aviation community.

    The company website is http://www.terrafugia.com/

  70. I used to see CCBB when I was a kid... by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    The guy who owned Chitty Chitty Bang Bang used to drive it around just like a normal car. I remember seeing it parked around town when I was a kid (in the late 70s). I don't mean in special reserved parking spaces, I mean in the mutli-story car parks, etc. when he went shopping.

    I think it's in a museum now, in Keswick, uk.

    (Or maybe that's a different one, I think there were several cars made for the filming).

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  71. Laughing at weather? by jmichaelg · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The article said The PAV could laugh at bad weather and controlled airspace too which got me to thinking about a couple of stories my father told me.

    We had a ranch in Northern Arizona and like a lot of ranches in that area, we had a private airstrip. A neighbor misinterpreted his newly minted instrument rating as permission to fly no matter what. He loaded up his family and took off near a thunderhead. The flight lasted just long enough to kill the entire family.

    Weather in Arizona can get particularly nasty, even when you're paying full attention. Once, my father inadvertently flew under a thunderhead and survived by pointing the nose at the ground and pouring on full throttle. Even still, he only managed to not gain any altitude while he traversed under the cloud.

    I think if these vehicles ever see the light of day, we'll see Darwin step up to the plate in a major way due to people 'laughing at the weather.'

    1. Re:Laughing at weather? by vmcto · · Score: 1

      Ummm

      I think you missed the point.

      Laughing at bad weather means I can drive through it instead of fly through it.

      Trip takes longer obviously but is possible to do "safely".

      Of course I am very skeptical this will go anywhere; especially in the US.

    2. Re:Laughing at weather? by evil_aar0n · · Score: 1

      > I think if these vehicles ever see the light of day, we'll see Darwin step up to the plate in a major way due to people 'laughing at the weather.'

      And this is bad because...?

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    3. Re:Laughing at weather? by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 1

      Years ago a flight instructor told me "All airplanes are small compared to the size of the sky.". The other one is that the ocean is huge, but the sky is even bigger. I guess the implication is that big things can smash up little things. You should respect big things

  72. extend the idea by bmidgley · · Score: 1

    How about you get in a vehicle that is adapted for ground travel... when you get to a place where aircraft take off and land, you grab your bag, get out of that vehicle, and climb into a vehicle designed for air travel? Stay with me here--I know it sounds crazy.

    You could have a "friend" pilot the first vehicle for you and take care of storing it afterwards. Maybe you could even "pay" someone to "taxi" you in such a ground travel vehicle to the "airport" (for lack of a better word) where you enter the second vehicle.

    It just takes a little imagination to change the world.

  73. Did I Miss Something? by dunadan67 · · Score: 1

    Cool as a flying car sounds, how is owning one of these advantageous to driving to your local airport and flying a "normal" plane to your destination? I guess it saves you the issue of finding transportation when you arrive.. Keep in mind that take-off checklists, wait times, etc., will add even more time to the flying car "commute".

  74. 150K? Buy a light plane and a nice car. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Granted the plane will not be great. But I bet it will outperform this POS.

    Does anybody realize how much it costs to maintain an aircraft engine? Why would you burn hours driving in traffic at those costs.

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    1. Re:150K? Buy a light plane and a nice car. by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      Granted the plane will not be great. But I bet it will outperform this POS.

      Yeah, but then you have to rent a car when you get to your destination, and you have to pay for a hanger.

      For example, if I want to go skiing, it's a 4-5 hour DRIVE. If I had one of these vehicles, I could drive to the closest airport in about 15 minutes, FLY to the mountains in about an hour and a half, and then pull directly onto the road for a short 15 minute drive to the ski area. It'll cut my travel time in half, and I don't have to worry about paying for a hanger or renting a car.

    2. Re:150K? Buy a light plane and a nice car. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      By being a hybrid it will be a poor performing airplane as well as lame very expensive car.

      Bet it's ceiling is lower then your ski resort.

      Further you can bet it will have lower top speeds then the dedicated airplane. Bet your hour and a half is more like two and a half (reflecting a top speed in the low 100s (mph).

      You can pay for a lot of cab rides for the price of one FAA certified engine rebuild. Putting wear on an aviation engine to scoot around in traffic isn't smart or cheap.

      I can only see one justification for this kind of vehicle. Because you think it will get you laid.

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    3. Re:150K? Buy a light plane and a nice car. by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      An airplane makes a shitty car. A car makes a shitty airplane. Mix the two, and you double the crap.

      If you have the money to buy one of these semi-roadable light aircraft, you'd have the money to buy a dedicated aircraft, and have a limo pick you up at the ski area airport.

  75. great... by nuckin+futs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    now instead of worrying about just the idiots around me who can't drive, now I gotta worry about the ones above me too?
    they'll be on their cell phones and eating a burger while flying their cars.

  76. Promises, promises... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    Of course, how many times have we been promised flying cars only to suffer in perpetual disappointment.

    Seven. Unless you count Popular Science covers, then 43.

    On the bright side, maybe we can harness our perpetual disappointment as a clean energy source.

  77. Environmental sustainability by Goonie · · Score: 1
    Unfortunately, the need to cut carbon emissions is likely to make petroleum derivative fuelled internal combustion engines infeasibly expensive for the average Joe in the next 10-20 years.

    The alternatives - batteries, fuel cells, and biofuels - are perfectly acceptable for powering ground vehicles, are either unlikely to be available in sufficient quantities, or aren't energy dense enough, for everyone to have a flying car.

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  78. Terraforming by StikyPad · · Score: 2, Funny

    The nearest approach offered by current technology is the helicopter. Whirlybirds are noisy, dangerous, expensive and difficult to fly. They take up a hell of a lot of room, too, in the contexts both of airspace and manoeuvres near/on the ground. They aren't going to turn into flying cars any time soon.

    Jump-jets like the Harrier are even worse, in that they can't at present get airborne vertically with a useful load. Ducted fans sometimes seem to offer hope, but the idea has been around for a long time without much in the way of credible kit appearing.
    The solution is obvious: we merely need to increase the density of our atmosphere to increase buoyancy. The densest known gas, radon, is nearly 8 times more dense than nitrogen, so we pump radon into our atmosphere in quantity and eventually we'll have workable flying cars. Genius!
  79. Silver hornet by ukemike · · Score: 1

    Tell me that this thing doesn't look like Inspector Clouseau's "Silver Hornet"

    compare:
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/10/transition_flying_car_quite_realistic/page2.html
    to:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEFfISdA8LQ

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    1. Re:Silver hornet by Voltageaav · · Score: 1

      Ok, it doesn't look like the silver hornet other than the fact they both have wings. Beyond that, they are totally different.

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    2. Re:Silver hornet by Petersson · · Score: 1

      Maybe Steve Fossett was testing this thing. While everybody is looking for crashed airplane, noone is looking for crashed flying car...

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  80. As the Doc would say... by TommyPickles · · Score: 0

    "Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads"....

  81. We've had flying cars since the late 40's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=11712

    It's really not that great of a technical challenge to make a car that flies. The real challenge is the infrastructure. For the flying car to become the norm, you need a system where your average reasonably un-trained person can operate the thing safely.. And really the only way to do that is to make it fully autonomous. Also you'll have lots of issues with keeping the traffic out of the way of general and commercial aviaton.

    It isn't going to happen any time soon, no matter what that crackpot Moller has to say about it.

  82. PAL-V: Gyrocopter+tricycle = WANT! by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 2, Informative

    These guys have got your "flying car" right here. It's a lightweight, streamlined tricycle design, with a Mazda rotary running on diesel/Jet-A and retractable stabilizer and gyrocoptor rotor blades. It looks like a pretty good attempt, and the HITS (highway in the sky) system (see here for similar example) would certainly help the punters to navigate.

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  83. Unleaded Gas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The car of the future runs on standard gasoline? I thought we were trying to get away from that...

    Reminds me of when I watch the old Star Trek movies. It's good to know the CRT was brought back in the future.

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  85. Horror - DWI in the air by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    Do we really want flying car's? There are already too many morons driving around on the ground on motorized vehicles that they can't seem to control causing tens of thousands (45,000?) of deaths per year on our highways plus more off the road. These people have a hard enough time in the 2D environment of driving on the ground. In the air they'll be a total disaster and passing right over your house, your backyard and your head. No thank you.

  86. Re:Everyone is a criminal, everything is a weapon. by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

    Genetic engineers are already at work designing Kongs.

  87. I'm wondering... by vegiVamp · · Score: 1

    Will this thing also have up and down turn signals ?

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  88. small dirigibles by Phoenix666 · · Score: 1

    Less chance for catastrophic failure. There was a guy in Paris at the turn of the 20th century (1900) who used to party hop in a personal dirigible. Sounds so awesome it's hard to imagine why it didn't catch on, or why it might not catch on in the future. I'd rather have folks flying overhead in those than airplanes that can smash into buildings; a dirigible would just bounce off, no harm no foul.

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  89. I've said it before by spankey51 · · Score: 1

    It's called a "Helicopter"

    They were once considered to be the future "flying car" and were theorized by some to eventually grace every garage in America. But they are prohibitively expensive, difficult to fly and require a level of training and certification that not many people would ever bother themselves with.

    But I maintain that helicopters will be our best shot at the "flying car" at least until the end of this century.

    No one, with the exception of exuberant millionaires is going to by a "car" with folding wings that you need to drive to the airport to operate... Isn't the whole point of the flying car that you DON'T need an airport?!

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  90. In Other News... by Sol_Web_Dude · · Score: 1

    The Acme company announced it's new line if reenforced steel roofs for houses. Said it would withstand hail, flying pigs, and small hybred car/planes. :)

  91. Soccer moms will kill us all by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

    Most people can't handle a car that moves in two dimensions (direction and speed). Compounding that with altitude sounds like a disastrous idea. Just wait until a soccer mom lands her minivanplane on your house. Cell phone drivers will park through the window of your office on the 23rd floor.

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  92. Yeah, but is it Green?? by lpq · · Score: 1

    So hows the MPG on this car? Will it meet the new CA emissions standards? Can see it now -- rats...my plans for a flying car foiled by California anti-smog rules...

  93. Flying Cars Will Never Get Off The Ground by bratwiz · · Score: 1

    The problem with flying cars is they present way too many problems to ever get off the drawing board. Geez, where to even start??

    I'm not even talking about technical issues-- you could suppose for the argument that all of the technical issues are solved, and we have the AeroCar-2150 sitting in the showroom ready to fly away for $19,500 on a 5-year loan...

    That's simply not the issue--

    When was the last time you took a trip around the beltway (or the highway or wherever for you non-DC'ers) ??? How many "Hoopties" did you see out there? Cars so ragged you can't help but wonder how soon it will be before they roll over and heave their last (or worse, roll over on YOU)...??? How about all those cars with dents in the fenders and scuffs on the paint? You want them flying around? It'd be like having a swarm of flying lawn-mowers buzzing about.

    And how do you keep those cars on the right track? What's to stop some kids from hopping in one and joy-riding (flying) around the neighborhood, buzzing houses and little old ladies? (Or egging same, or worse...)? What's to stop those weekend Wally's from opening 'er up and tinkering around inside? Do you really trust your next door neighbor's aero-engineering skills? Or how about that fat guy down the street in his shorts scratching his belly with one hand, sucking on a brewski with the other while maintaining that 2-inch ash on the end of the dangling cigarette in his mouth? (Hey Dude!)

    What about drunk-flyers? Do we now have to start worrying in 3D? I'm only asking 'cause I'm still coming to grips with 2D concerns... And how do the cops pull over someone for FUI anyway? And what exactly do they walk on when they give the field sobriety test (and will they have to rename it since they're probably 1,000 feet above the nearest field??)

    What about running out of gas? How do you stop that? Its not like coasting to a stop and having to get out and push to the nearest gas station. And at low altitudes, parachutes aren't gonna be practical. So what if you have a sensor that automatically lands the thing if the fuel gets low-- how do you make sure its working? How many people continue to drive their regular cars around long after various sensors and safety systems break, expire or become faulty? Why are flying cars going to be different? Do you really think people are going to magically wise-up just because they're airborne??? (I'm thinking about that guy who strapped however many weather balloons it was to his lawn chair...)

    Are there gonna be speed limits? Why (or why not) ??

    How about traffic jams-- what happens if you run into gridlock at 1,000 feet (and at 900 feet and 800 feet and 1,100 feet...???

    These are just the issues I can think of off the top of my head. I'm sure with more thought there are plenty of others. I think some of these items are show-stoppers. I don't mean to be a buzz-kill or anything, but there are lots of problems implicit in the idea of flying cars. As cool as they seem, and as much as I would personally like to have one, I'm not sure how, as a society, it can ever be practical enough to work for real.

  94. A Real Flying Car - LaBiche Aerospace FSC-1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These guys have a real flying car capable of going down the road and flying fast. Finally, a USEFUL vehicle! http://www.labicheaerospace.com/ The idea that you can't make a good car and a good airplane work is false. This does both really well! Jim FSC-1 Customer

  95. Re:Everyone is a criminal, everything is a weapon. by cbreaker · · Score: 1

    You do understand that the Twin Towers barely even shook when the gigantic, heavy, full-of-fuel jet airliners smashed into them, right? It was the wings full of fuel that did the buildings in; I'd go so far as to say that if you throw a stripped down Toyota with a 16 gallon tank (about what this is) at a tall building, it will just go "smash" and that's it. Replace a few windows, redo some sheet-rock, and you're good to go.

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  96. How the automated control should work by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 1

    Everyone worries that the skies will become a deathtrap when flying cars, driven by people without pilots' licenses, hit the market. But the collision-avoidance solution is simple if they're all flying autonomously. In 2007, it's trivial for inexpensive consumer devices to communicate with each other wirelessly. Similarly, flying cars need to broadcast their positions and velocities to all other aircraft within a few km radius (via WiMAX or similar technology).

    It then doesn't take much computing power to compute the slight course adjustments needed to avoid collisions, or even to avoid intersecting another aircraft's wake vortices. This will also eliminate "air lanes," and the fear of them becoming saturated with traffic. All aircraft will simply fly the shortest point-to-point great circle route, except when the computer tells it to deviate to avoid another aircraft, its wake vortices, or an ADIZ.

    Because three-dimensional airspace is so vast, it will be able to accomodate expoentially more traffic than the current "air lanes" concept.

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