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Charlton Heston's Impact On Sci-Fi
An anonymous reader writes "As you're probably already aware, Charlton Heston passed away yesterday. Wired has a piece looking back at Heston's extremely notable work in the sci-fi genre, with roles in films like "Planet of the Apes" and "Soylent Green". 'Heston also roared out some of sci-fi's greatest and most memorable lines, bringing his macho swagger and over-the-top intensity to the screen in movies like 1973's food freak-out flick Soylent Green and the Planet of the Apes series. In a pivotal scene from 1968's Planet of the Apes (see clip), Heston's character, time-traveling astronaut George Taylor, utters the first words spoken by a human to the simian rulers of a bizarro future Earth: "Take your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape!'"
It's hard to get much better than Planet of the Apes (even the sequels were decent). Heston was decidedly great even in his Biblical films though, such as the Ten Commandments and Ben Hur.
"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
He also fought for our rights to carry phasers and other types of disintegrator rays.
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Now wash your hands.
I can't think of a single person in hollywood today who's voice alone has his presence. Even hearing him read cop killer was something.
An I.T. motto in the hands of an idiot is a dangerous thing...
Out of all the adaptations of Matheson's novel I am Legend , Heston's The Omega Man was probably the most entertaining. It certainly stands tall above the dreck Will Smith starred in last year.
Would also likely point out his work in Michael Moore sci-fi films.
Damn, I'm totally independant, but I wish I was republican for a moment, if for nothing else but to throw out that zinger.
There's nothing Intelligent about Intelligent Design.
*Pries the musket from his cold, dead hands*
Heston seemed like he was an eternal presence. From watching the 10 commandments on TV as a kid, then seeming The Omega Man late one night when I was about 12 (back when broadcast TV used to show movies late at night). That eye rolling dialog delivery, jutting jaw, big flashing teeth and the fact they he couldn't keep his shirt on for more than the first 10 minutes of any film made him an icon.
Then again, you see him in the Orson Welles film "Touch of Evil" to see he could underplay it when he wanted to, he just chose not to. In honour of Chuck, I think The Omega Man is due a screening in my house this evening.
I'm dead! I'm dead! And I still got my gunz you dirty apes! Cold dead fingers in your EYE!
Get your stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape
I'll never forget the wisdom his penis gave us all on The Man Show
And then there was E
I always thought it'd be great to be his care nurse, dress up in an ape suit and bring a fire hose in one day and give him a spray. When he started yelling at me I'd hoot and jump up on the dresser and shout: "He speaks, bright eyes speaks!"
Some may find that twisted... but others would just say: "he finally did it. Damn him all to hell."
"Get your stinking ankh off me you damn dirty Pharaoh!!!"
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Normally I wouldn't comment on such a sad occasion but for Charlton Heston I make an exception. Cold, Dead Hands ??? - Finally. One less extremist in the world. No RIP, I hope he turns in his grave.
It's just too bad Heston followed those great low-budget End of the World movies by believing he was living in End Times for his last few decades.
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You left out Omega Man.
the chronological end of mankind:
Soylent Green
The Omega Man
Planet of the Apes
Let's not forget his acting in "Wayne's World 2" as "Good actor."...
More like a horror movie.
It was the height of irony when Charlton Heston appeared as an ape in the "Planet of the Apes" remake...and gave an anti-gun speech.
(spoiler) is people. R.I.P. Charlie
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You were right. They ruined it. We've become the nation of Soylent Green.
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What? No Omega Man? Anyone who thinks I am Legend (or 28 Days Later for that matter) were remotely original, is sadly mistaken. RIP Charlton...
Why wasn't the Ten Commandments mentioned under his sci fi roles?
I read about this early this morning, and I'm quite sad to see him go. I fondly remember watching Ben-Hur as a child. I never thought about him in relation to sci-fi, but I can see it thanks to this read. :)
As a side note, sci-fi related - but a bit OT, where on earth do you find out about good sci-fi nowadays? I went to the bookstore nearby, and the sci-fi section was 100% fantasy. I'm not into dragon slaying.
I miss Asimov, Clarke, and all the greats. I've already read all their works, I'm ready for some new authors! Same goes for movies, it seems like Sci-Fi died in the 80s. :/ If people can point me in the right direction, I'd be very much appreciative!
I'm looking for something like a forum, or a "club". I tried searching, but I only found a few sites (and the television network sci-fi's forums - which suck.) :( I'm especially interested in written material.
Mr. Heston, wherever you are - thank you for your contribution to entertainment, as well as politics. Oh, and Sci-Fi!
I've enjoyed watching most every film Heston's been in (might want to exclude "Earthquake" from that list, though). He brought a commanding presence to his roles that is quite rare.
I tend to ignore an actor's political statements, however (whether or not I agree with their sentiments). If I refused to watch any movie that included an actor that I'd seen make a fool out of him/herself, there'd be no point in my owning a DVD player - the pickings would be slim indeed.
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put his vest on.
RIP.
Those damn dirty apes finally took his rifle from his cold dead hands...
As I was watching the various "video obituaries" on all the news programs, I couldn't help but see Troy McClure in all of Heston's roles.
he was an actor and I don't think of Sci-Fi as an actor driven movie genre. Filmmakers like George Lucas, James Cameron, Ridley Scott, George Pal and Fritz Lang will be remembered for their impact on Sci-Fi well before the actors in their films are recognized. I'd argue that Stan Winston (creature/special effects) has also had more of an impact on Sci-Fi than the actors. Similarly, writers like ACC and Ron Serle (who wrote the screenplay for "Planet of the Apes") have had bigger impacts than the actors in the films.
Now, having said this I might say that Sigorney Weaver has had as significant impact as any of the filmmakers listed above. Certainly more than Douglas Rain, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Harrison Ford, Michael Rennie, Leslie Neilson and Charleton Heston who all had leading roles in groundbreaking Sci-Fi features and whose performances come to mind when you're discussing the picture, but they really just carried out the roles they were given to them by the filmmakers.
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Well... first, let's tighten up the Sci-Fi for a moment... are you looking for soft or hard?
Some of the sci-fi authors still writing that I do enjoy include the Kristine Kathryn Rusch Retrieval Artist series, Orson Scott Card's Shadow series, some of Larry Niven's stuff, John Barnes (only read if you're in a misanthropic mood), Spider Robinson (if usually far more on the light sci-fi side), and Neil Gaiman (yeah, it may qualify more as fantasy, but not swords and dragons style).
Nephilium... hopefully some of these will be new to you...
Define fascism any why you like...you will anyhow.
But history tells a different story. It was in both Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy a combination of state and corporation. Corporations did what the state told them to or were taken over outright. Fascist were more then socialists in name. State takes over corporations in fascism as in all forms of centrally planned economies (in mixed economies like Europe and the USA some industries are run as government planned and often owned monopolies). When corporations take over the state it's called 'Corporatism'.
For examples of corporations running states outright a jaded eye could look at the recent history of sub Saharan Africa or the history of the English empire. Not pretty either but nothing like the body count leftism in general has built.
'Progressivism' as it's currently defined is simply the latest name for old school socialist thinking. Socialism does have an inherent concentration of power issue. Government run industries are almost always monopolies.
In any case as long as we keep ourselves well armed we as Americans will be too expensive to govern with too heavy a hand. That was the ultimate purpose of the second. It had nothing to do with hunting, everything to do with enabling at least the threat of the next armed revolution.
Go to the range folks. The gun is useless if you can't practice gun control.
Charlton Heston would have wanted you to go to the range soon. I'd say to take your kids with you, but this is /. Damn am I on topic? WTF am I doing?
Take a safety course if you're getting your first weapon. Start with a 22LR pistol or rifle.
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I call dibs on the gun.
In that vein: Neal Stephenson, Stephen Baxter, KIm Stanley Robinson, Greg Benford. Have a look at and more generally, Locus.
There is some good new sci-fi out, John Scalzi's Old Man's War and the 2 sequels were very good and also David Drake's Daniel Leary series was very entertaining. Also some of the newer Sci fi movies are not bad at all. Fifth Element,Serenity, Stargate SG1 and of course Futurama is absolutely essential for any sci fi fan.
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Try the Baen Free Library over at Baen.com They have a lot of the old SF authors, as well as many of the newer ones. Doesn't cost you anything, and if you find an author you like, you can buy them. No DRM.
Getting back to the topic, let's not forget his voice work in "Cats & Dogs" as the Mastiff in charge.
I wonder if he'll be buried with his cold hands clasping a gun after all.
...from being a disarmed potential victim, go right ahead. Be an extreme victim to prove your point. All societies have criminals and "badguys". Ours allows us to be protected from them using protection tools. And it is really that simple. Most places don't, they like their serfs docile, so you wind up with only professional predators and governmental predators having the tools.
....who is the extremist again? CH was-for freedom. Not a bad idea. Others are extremists for..something else.
I think that is extremely nuts.
The US is totally different in design from every other nation out there, all of them, even the other "western" nations, and this is why most of those folks just "don't get it"..
It starts with the premise that the individual is the sovereign, is "free", and government comes from the collection of individuals allowing this government to do a few things, and government is only supposed to have a limited set of powers.
It is/was the first true bottom up approach to government. All other governments are designed with the top down model (most western nations were or might still be at least quasi "royal" in structure, ours started out that way and then they fought against it and won), that government is supreme and their serfs..err I mean citizens..are graciously allowed a few permissions to do this or that. You have no inherit rights, just a few permissions.
The US is different (in theory and in peril daily, constantly), we have all the rights, and allow the government just a few. (again, theory).
I'll clarify further, the constitution we have does NOT grant us any rights, we are all born with them, all of them, and ownership of the tools for self preservation, some thing all species have an instinct for, is part of those rights. Some creatures use fangs or talons for defence, or great speed, or the ability to camouflage to hide, and so on, all humans have is a brain and opposable thumbs, so we developed tools.
Tools.
I know which model I think is better for our kind of creature. You are free to decide otherwise. I'll take freedom with all my rights intact over temporary or illusionary "security" from some royal government or parliament any time. Sorry if a lot of the people in other nations just cannot seem to grok this, but I bet it is because they are brainwashed since birth that your state has all the power and that it "grants" you certain limited liberties. In other words, you-as an extremist proponent from your POV-- might be extremely civilized, but you are still extremely a slave, chained in your mind.
Is the US of today perfect, or even originally? Nope. No it is not and was not, for instance way back then folks of color from places like Africa or native Americans were not considered human beings. A serious contradiction, well recognized now and corrected. along with a host of other issues.
Our theory though, that men are born free and with certain inalienable rights, was and is and shall always probably be an extremist position-compared to the governmental designs and policies elsewhere. So be it and stuff. It's a continual work in progress. Yep, some nutcases out there, and last I looked, no one nation has an exclusive vendor lock in on them either.
That we have apparently developed an hereditary class of so called professional career leaders in this nation...that function as olde tyme "rulers"...well, that needs to be worked on more as well. And it certainly won't get any better if people accept even less freedoms and even more infringements on our born-with rights, like they do elsewheres.
The best all peoples can do is show by example, and if there are bad guys..the only example is not to be a bad guy yourself. As a sovereign human, I take no responsibility for what others do, and reject any notion of collective guilt by association. Collective guilt aspersions are an extreme case of demonization efforts meant to belittle the true worth of individuals and individual actions, and always lead to problems.
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Hard sci-fi would be my preference. I can deal with some soft, but most of it seems more on the fantasy side of the fence. I checked out Gaiman on the suggestion of a friend, and couldn't stand it. I just read a book by Larry Child (deep storm) which was pretty good. I'm currently reading Ringworld (chapter 3) by Niven, so far it seems "ok", if a bit "jumpy." We'll see how that one goes. :)
Thanks!
Loved the Fifth Element, loved the show Firefly (not the movie Serenity - I really don't like Summer Glau and her part was rather overplayed and corny/silly in the movie.). SG1 I watched over the period of two weeks (all 10 seasons) - awesome. I'm current on Atlantis, too. Futurama is my fav. cartoon, can't wait for new episodes. :D
I'll check out those books, too. Thanks!
In order, Yes, No, Yes, Yes.
Baxter is the most depressing author I have ever read in my entire life.
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
I've thoroughly enjoyed the Chung Kuo series:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chung_Kuo
Donaldson's Gap Series are good too although both mentioned series span both the eighties and nineties.
Great sites! Too bad the hardsf site moved away from real forums, the javascript ones suck. Thanks. :)
Thanks, great link!
I don't think of Baxter as "depressing" so much, more that he tends to take his stories to their absolute end, which often involves the death of the universe or the disintegration of the earth.
Many of his novels actually display a great amount of hope. Human intelligence often survives through incredible trials and demanding circumstances. The Ring plays out this way, as does Titan.
Voyage was one of the best "alternate history" novels I've read.
Back on topic, Heston was John Wayne with skill. He played some memorable characters, and rose to the occasion when cast in an "epic" film, like Ben Hur and The 10 Commandments.
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The USA is an extremist nation. It always has been and always will be. Let's face it. Life in the early USA sucked and the only reason anyone in their right mind would want to come to this freezing, savage filled continent would either be due to immense greed or some immense political or religious belief.
.50 caliber rifle... and I love my country that I have the right to have all this cool stuff, just as much as I love it that someone else on the left wing can have the right to their own dumb ideas about socialism and one world UN government.
There is not a single page of American history where the country cannot be divided up into those sets of people - greedy people, religious fruitcakes, and political maniacs. They built the colonies, rammed through the American revolution, wrote our constitution, and continue to drive our present political discourse.
Folks look for moderates in the USA, and there aren't any. Everyone has one opinion or another that is radical about something, it is just that, because everyone's radicalism averages out at a survey level, it only seems like the USA is a rational country.
Americans love radicals, always have, and always will. Thomas Jefferson was a radical. John Brown was a radical. Both Roosevelts were radicals and Wilson was a radical and Kennedy was a radical. Johnson, Carter, Bush.. those guys weren't radicals, but the country hated them. Clinton wasn't radical, but he definitely fell into the greedy camp - greedy for power, greedy for the ladies.... and nobody ever really -liked- him... just, they thought did a decent enough job. Now they loved Reagan, and they love Obama...
So yeah, I like Charlton Heston. I'm a member of the NRA and damned proud of it, and I love my AK-47 and my AR-15 and my Barrett
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It sucks for we USA but that seems to be working just fine for the insurgents in Iraq. 20 billion dollars a month in occupation is being spent trying to suppress an insurgency that is armed with little more than homemade explosives and automatic weapons. If that does not give you an idea as to the efficacy of the right to keep and bear arms in keeping out a government that you do not like, then nothing will.
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When Douglas Adams died, we said that he's no doubt spending a year dead for tax reasons.
When Arthur C. Clarke died, we said that he's probably been reincarnated as a large orbiting fetus.
When Gary Gygax died, we said that he's lost his last saving throw.
No, it's never too early, especially if the deceased would have appreciated the joke. When Terry Gilliam dies, you bet we're going to say: "Well you're dead now, so shut up." When Neal Stephenson dies, you bet we're going to comment about how the ending was a bit abrupt.
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They'll probably say "NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT."
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Please don't talk bad about John Wayne, he was the greatest actor, even if his personal life sucked.
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I miss Asimov, Clarke, and all the greats. I've already read all their works, I'm ready for some new authors!
In that vein: Neal Stephenson, Stephen Baxter, KIm Stanley Robinson, Greg Benford.
I'd also personally add in Charles Stross. He's written some great hard sci fi (much of it freely-downloadable), and as an added bonus he's the only sci-fi author I can think of who has a 3-digit slashdot ID#.
"As you're probably already aware, Charlton Heston passed away yesterday."
Nope, wasn't aware of it. Unlike print and broadcast news, news aggregators online let me filter out entertainment and sports "news," so I had no idea, and I can't say I mind. I look forward to the day when some "famous" actor or athlete dies and I'm able to say "Who?"
I'll never forget Dennis Pennis' interview with Charlton Heston (it seems to be one of the missing ones on youtube, else I'd post a link).
:D
The jokes are most likely completely lost on non-Brits, but they're totally hilarious for us
Thanks Charlton, even though you didn't know about it.
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Well, it's all a matter of interpretation. Fact is that during the time he made his best movies (including the POAs) Heston was pro gun control, a strong supporter of the civil rights movement "long before Hollywood found it fashionable" and was campaigning for democratic politicians.
Then, around 1980 something changed his mind and he became a republican supporter and member of the NRA etc. From that time on I also can't recall any movie at all in which he plays a leading character. It would be interesting to find out what exactly made him change like that.
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Charlton Heston has done nothing bad to anyone. In fact he received shit from pro-gun people for defending the anti-gun people's right to spout crap. Rarely do you ever find someone so fair and balanced. Yet, on the the news of his death most anti-gun people show their true selves and the fact is they're backwards little intolerant people. They're not better than the likes of Fred Phelps. Some of their hate comes from Michael Moore's shitty little movie and it's because they don't realise Moore twists things heavily and has been caught lying out right in his "documentary". This is because they are too simple to seek out the truth and rather live in a world of lies that supports their backwards beliefs. Thankfully these people will never have the respect and good life that Charlton Heston had and may each and everyone of them die from brain cancer.
I was iffy about Fifth Element, loved Firefly, liked Serenity (except for Wash & Book getting killed, and River turning into Buffy the Reaver Slayer). SG1 is fun to watch (I have all the DVDs). Atlantis seems to be recycling plots from SG1 & itself these days )I feel an immenent sharkjumping in the Force...)
As far as reading sci fi goes, try Jack L Chalker, David Weber, S. M. Stirling, and Alan Steele. Not as known as Niven & Pournelle, Heinlien, et. al., but some seriously great reads in there.
Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
You're right about "Voyage". "Titan" on the other hand....
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woohoo! I finally got his gun!
People are remembered for many things... history will tell whether ol' Chuck will be remembered for his acting talents, his pro-NRA vocalism/etc. or his many other, but less noteworthy, accomplishments.
Good riddance... one gunhappy moron less
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The horrifically violent sex turned me off of that series very, very early. The Gap series gets rough (Chung Kuo is far worse), but Donaldson isn't graphic about it. Or constant about it. Or selling his books with it. The Gap is readable, I do recommend it. Chung Kuo is violent pornography.
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Read this
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/government-figures-missing-two-million-violent-crimes-454637.html
http://www.johnlott.org/
and stop with the straw man arguments
Thanks for the head's up. I actually felt "Ringworld" by Niven (almost done reading it) had excessive "sensual" mention in it. I am not a prude, it just seemed out of place; it really added absolutely nothing to the story or the character development and thus was unnecessary. Then again, it was very slight, and the rest of the story made up for it (easily.) Something of a "violent pornography" is EXACTLY why I can't stand most fantasy novels. I don't care to read details about how the ultimate dragon slayer spent his honeymoon slaying his bride.
"it's really other people they fear"
.. er, people with guns that they fear .. :)
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.. er African Americans getting hold of guns .. :)
Oh contraire, it's really other apes
His flirtation with the NRA was more to do with him missing all the attention he got as a Hollywood star
The NRA was formed soon after KKK was banned, presumably as a response to whiteys fear of some nig
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Unless Charlton fell out of the sky onto, or punched, or threw something at sci-fi... he had no impact on it at all. He might have produce some effect on it.
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Who could could forget that classic line: "Soylent Green is made of people! Mouthwatering delicious people!"
for standing up for human rights:
"participated in '50s-era civil rights marches...became president of the National Rifle Association."
Let's not forget that Charles Heston's original name was "John Carter". Yes, really. Honest. No, I'm not trolling.
There's no denying the impact that John Carter had on Science Fiction!
Zonk! You have the big spoiler for the entire film printed right in the summary. For those of us who are waiting for this film to be released on HD-DVD before seeing it, please hide the big reveal. (meh.)
At least in Ringworld the sex generally advances the plot (a bit) and isn't particularly detailed, nobody is a bloody-handed sadist or owns rape machines. And there's as much sex in Ringworld as there is in the rest of Niven's works put together, so you're done with it.
I think I'm a healthy child of America: either set the scene and turn out the lights, or the sex is all I'm interested in. And if you don't have a talent for writing erotica, don't bother setting the scene.
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Soylent Green is Heston!
From http://www.imao.us/archives/009883.html:
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LOS ANGELES (AP) - Despite numerous promises in his lifetime to allow his guns to be taken from his cold, dead hands, the late Charlton Heston issued a statement today saying that he will retain possession of his firearms into the afterlife.
"Besides, the last time I thought I was dead, I woke up on a planet full of talking apes. I really could've used a good rifle then."
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It's efficiency it solely based upon the user. No apostrophe in "its", please... But anyway, that doesn't matter. The fact is that this proficiency is much easier to come by than the equivalent proficiency in other lethal means (such as hand-to-hand, use of knives, etc.) and once acquired it's quite effective. If you are looking from a ROI standpoint, I think explosive weapons are more efficient at killing people. I'm sure there are ROI studies on this though. True, if you're talking numbers, you can kill more people with a bomb. But if you see someone, you can point at them, and say, "I want that person dead", a gun can make it happen, quickly and efficiently. It's a tool for killing people - I think it's worth thinking critically about why an individual needs that, and who ought to be allowed that power, in a society where killing people isn't generally allowed.
To go back to the post I was responding to - compare the lethal efficiency of a gun to the printing press. Now, you could drop a printing press on someone and kill them, or maybe you could trick them into sticking their head inside and then crush it - but a printing press really doesn't excel at killing people.
Mind you, I do believe people should have a right to self-defense, and self-defense that's only moderately effective isn't worth much - I just don't believe it's something you can equate with free speech. At a practical level there's a big liability involved with giving people that power too freely.
Bow-ties are cool.
Oh please, the blame the person not the tool drool again.
Guns are a just fantasy item, essentially pornographic. However unlike your daddy's porn, the money shot here is a bullet penetrating a warm wet live body. Anything less just ain't satisfaction. If you are not convinced go and browse some of the gun forums where the "stopping power" of hollow points vs jacketed rounds are lovingly debated. You can almost see their hard ons through the screen. I'm not chicken to admit I fear the people who get off on pumping off rounds instead of the big wet one.
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K
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Guns are a just fantasy item, essentially pornographic
No, I think that gun owners are your fantasy item. Your obsessive, lustful loathing sounds just like a repressed nun scolding about public displays of affection.
the "stopping power" of hollow points vs jacketed rounds are lovingly debated
Have you ever actually chosen ammunition based on what it actually does? Have you ever actually chosen to have venison for dinner instead of commercially slaughtered beef, or tofu? When you choose to kill an animal, you do have to actually know what the hell you're talking about. Shooting the groundhog that's digging leg-breaking holes in the pasture next to your hay barn isn't the same as shooting coyotes, or shooting that elk you're going to eat all winter. Caliber, projectile type, muzzle velocity, and the rest all contribute to getting the job done, no more or less. I spent the other morning debating whether to use #7-1/2 or #6 shot, in 7/8th, 1-ounce, or 1-1/8th ounce loads. Why? Because the partridges were bigger than expected, and they were flushing up into higher winds than expected. If you want good dinner birds, you want something a dog can still retrieve, and not too shot up. But you also don't want to risk merely breaking a wing or a leg and leaving a wounded bird on the move. Is there nothing you do in your life where specs matter? Do you only have one size screwdriver? Only one kitchen knife? Only one wine glass? Only one camera lens, or only one type of external storage for your data, or only one hat?
Are people who talk about which shoes are best for running trails vs. which ones are best for running on pavement just talking "shoe porn" as far as you're concerned? Are people who get online and talk about different types of hydrogen fuel cells just swapping energy porn? Your anxiousness to paint absurd stereotypes just points out your ignorance, cowardice, and the danger you pose to other people because of them.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp
It's rated as a 'maybe'.
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Wow, talk about a bunch of crap.
"Our crime rate has gone down "
Crime does not equal gun.
"because of effective policing and our Gun Law"
Correlation does not imply causation
"our gang wars are fought with Knives and Clubs not AK's and 9mm's."
what? so, the crime is still happening. even within you post of logical fallacies this make no sense.
"In the 10 year period crime rates have actually gone down, "
Homicide rate has been decreasing since the 70's.
On fact it went UP after the ban. Only slightly,more likely a statical fluctuation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_murder_rate
I can't find a chart on crimes, for Australia, just homicide. There is a lot of concern over Austrailia's 'jump in crime rate'. But those reports only say things like 10% increase. By it self it's pretty meaningless.
"gun crime was never at the pandemic levels as it is in the US"
Pandemice? We have one of the lowest crime rates in the WORLD.
You get a murder with a knife, we have a murder with a gun. please tell me why one matters more then another?
Do you even know very few people had hand guns even before this 'ban'? many of those same people STILL have a gun?
"As long as any Australian can remember none of them have ever felt that guns were needed to solve problems."
SO your military, police force and hunters don't use guns?
Do you even remember how to think for yourself?
Gun ban had no effect with any crime statistic at all in Australia.
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