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The Day Leo Traynor Confronted His Troll
McGruber writes "Dublin-based writer Leo Traynor has written a piece about confronting the troll who drove him off Twitter, hacked his Facebook, and abused and terrified his family. Quoting: 'I blocked the account and reported it as spam. The following week it happened again in an identical manner. A new follower, I followed back, received a string of abusive DMs, blocked and reported for spam. Two or three times a week. Sometimes two or three times a day. An almost daily cycle of blocking and reporting and intense verbal abuse. ... Then one day something happened that truly frightened me. I don't scare easily but this was vile. I received a parcel at my home address. Nothing unusual there – I get lots of post. I ripped it open and there was a Tupperware lunchbox inside full of ashes. There was a note included, saying, "Say hello to your relatives from Auschwitz." I was physically sick. ... In July I was approached by a friend who's basically an IT genius, and he offered some help. He said that he could trace the hackers and trolls for me using perfectly legal technology, which would lead to their IP addresses. I said yes. Then I baited them – I was deliberately more provocative toward them than ever I'd been before.'"
Compared to the typical trolling found on the internet, this seems a bit more like harassment or stalking, no?
So, do we actually believe that a college-age man is sufficiently motivated to troll the same person, including offline, for weeks on end; but so obtuse that he doesn't realize such trolling's effects, or did TFA's author just get played by a sociopathic little fucker's crocodile tears?
I'm voting for #2, personally. Wholly anonymous mob pile-ons can easily enough sweep up ethically-unimpressive-but-basically-standard-issue people; and some damaged-but-mostly-harmless types actually seem willing to spend their time dumping copypasta on entire forums; but solitary, prolonged, systematic trolling of one target chosen for no reason? Kid is bad seed.
I bet they used a GUI interface using Visual Basic!
If there's anything more important than my ego around here, I want it caught and shot immediately.
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Yes. Smoking can kill you.
Any insufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.
Keywords in the original text:
"basically an IT genius,"
"hacked my facebook account"
"trace the hackers and trolls for me using perfectly legal technology, which would lead to their IP addresses."
"the abuse had emanated from three separate IP addresses in different corners of Ireland."
"The third location was a friend's house."
so, you can know the house location of each poster on twitter ? - troll-
What's the background story going on here? Who is the guy in question? I feel like there's some context I'm missing. Is this guy a political commentator or something?
Sounds like a lifetime movie to me.
At what point would a sane person just call the cops?
my sig's at the bottom of the page.
Oddly heartwarming ending. It's awesome when people can take the high road and restrain themselves from lashing back at abusers, who do this stuff out of boredom, insecurity, and immaturity (or sometimes mental instability issues, alas). But recognizing that people do stupid regrettable crap, and that maybe their lives need not be ruined over it, and that maybe some good might come out of something bad... that's great strength and maturity. Kudos.
Asking people to think is like asking them to buy you a new car
More of a stalker than anything and that they didnt call the police will just make him learn how to not get caught
...being basically! As if a real I.T. genius would ever use basic!
I'm honest enough to admit I lie to myself.
This is why content delivery systems need to be licensed by governments. This wouldn't have happened if Twitter were prohibited because it's unlicensed.
It's a safety issue. Just like the license you need before you can drive your own car. Just like the license you need to be a barber. Or the permit that those kids should have gotten before the cops shut down their lemonade stand. Or the license that that guy in North Carolina needs to publish dietary advice on his blog. Or the law license that Elizabeth Warren doesn't need because she's one of the special people.
Leo Traynor should be ashamed for having an unlicensed conversation with his Troll. Is he a certified criminal counselor? He should have gotten the authorities involved, because they should always be involved. In everything.
"I was deliberately more provocative toward them than ever I'd been before."
This sentence makes me think that, however vile the "troll" could have turned out to be, this wasn't an entirely black-versus-white situation. I suspect this guy was being a jerk back at anyone who was a jerk to him, and it escalated further than he thought it would.
#DeleteChrome
This is stalking
Its like calling arson vandalism
Identify the nature of the transgression correctly
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
A kid basically ruined the guy's life, essentially just for lulz -- or for lack of anything constructive to do with his time. Fortunately, the kid did not understand how traceable IP addresses are and he was caught and confronted. Most interesting part of it was that the kid really didn't seem to truly comprehend what devastation he was causing to another human being, because he did it all remotely from the safety of his computer.
Reality is that this is just an extreme example of what goes on daily on semi-anonymous message boards (like this one). If we all had to show our faces, I'm sure we'd be a little more civil toward one another. Personally, I don't think I run a very high risk of ending up in the situation that this guy was in, since I value my online anonymity too much. I realize that for many, the temptation to spread their personal misery is just too great, and so they troll, which is really just a cry for attention -- something they probably didn't get enough of growing up.
Anyway, enough pontificating. Queue the trolls...
See also the radio troll Alan Jones in Australia - very upset this weekend because he was caught the second time he said he publicly addressed a group of people with a comment about the Australian Leader's recently deceased father dying of shame. Stirring up a race riot a couple of years back and getting away with it probably made him think he could get away with anything.
What god? Cthulu hates everyone.
And it's all perfectly okay, over here, courts have so ruled !!
I like how mom and dad Troll wanted to run the little bugger in for his high crime !! Way to go !! Hip-hip-whoreaway !!
Yeah ... this is being pushed all over the web - likely by Traynor himself and it stinks of fakery.
...Facebook (wtf??) ? And how does he use that without a court order issued to an ISP to track it to a physical address?
/. has seen a LOT of Munchausen's by Internet over the years - from sad cancer tales that never were to stories of little children dying of diseases who never did and now this. It has fake written all over it and I SO wish someone would look closely at Traynor and get to the bottom of this.
1. Are we really to believe that Traynor and his wife get physicaly threatened for THREE years and Traynor does literally nothing about it? No restraining order after he finds out? He just decides to let it all go away.
2. Conveniently Traynor doesn't prosecute so there is no real record of this actually happening
3. How does Traynor's "genius" I.T. friend get an IP address from
4. After the very first drop off of a message and ashes at his doorstep Traynor NEVER puts up a cam so he never sees the OTHER TWO drop offs of messages on his doorstep? W.T.F.??! He lets at least two chances go by and NEVER goes to the police and files a report we can verify. Bogus
----- In Your Cubicle No One Can Hear You Scream...
bad time to have the sarcastic [/troll] tag removed!
It's a nice moralistic story but it doesn't pass the smell test
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
"There are a lot of people arguing that this whole story is a fable; the IT guy the author presents to defend his account is a feckless bullshitter. Basically it's a case of two guys who don't know that they don't know the technical difficulties in what they claim to have done. The whole thing is embarrassing and annoying."
Are we getting ... wait for it ... trolled? (Can I start a meme? Rick-Trolled?)
What's really out of whack is the sequence of events. So the cops can't find this guy, they're wringing their hands in helplessness. Along comes "An IT Genius" that traces the house by IP ... and the cops couldn't call any of their guys on the entire force to do that? However if the kid torrented a Song they would have found him pronto.
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The author is just too naive, or cowardly to deliver his friend's son with legal action.
In the end the author tries to spin this little story as a 'I'm the bigger man' tale instead.
The author is at this point just enabling him, like his parents.
This is a 17 year old who's in college. He's a danger to himself and others, and any additional damage caused by him will also be in the author's head.
What did he learn from this? Cry when you get caugh, and your actions have no consequences.
Trolling is the act of being disingenuous, it is not harassing the shit out of someone; Slashdot, you disappoint me.
Post a link for a guy to click on. He clicks on it. It goes to a page you publish on your server. You look in the server logs. You know his IP address. Then you can find his city and possibly his neighborhood from that. And you know his ISP.
After that it can become more difficult. But it's hardly impossible. If a friend at the guy's ISP will do you a favor (the troll in the story is local), or if you can simply guess the right answer and check it, it's easy again. If you can read someone's cookies with a cross-site scripting vulnerability or trick them into installing malware, it's not going to be too hard to find them.
All the symbolic deliveries of ashes and dead roses was very romantic, but I guess that could happen. However, what's up with the "IT genius friend" part, who can somehow get the message senders' IP addresses and then trace them up to an accuracy of a house? I think the story got a bit twisted or is missing some information there.
This is pretty much the definition of Idle, is it not?
Cool story bro seem appropriate.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
Queue the trolls...
It may be that you intended to use the homophone of the word, which would be typical. However, either form could be potentially valid semantically, despite having distinct meanings.
Either way, encountering this part of your comment effected my reaction.
Read this
My web domain.
Then I baited them – I was deliberately more provocative toward them than ever I'd been before.
That's the first time in the article that he mentions having been previously "provocative"; up until then it sounded completely one sided. So what are the missing details?
really didn't seem to truly comprehend what devastation he was causing to another human being, because he did it all remotely from the safety of his computer.
He probably felt the same way a drone operator feels after dismembering civilians at a peaceful hillside wedding from the safety of his computer. ...initially elated at a job well done, only later to feel 'oh shit I fucked up'.
Happened to me in high school.
I blocked at least a dozen AIM accounts a night for weeks (maybe months); I can be fortunate there was no "twitter" then, nor this "book of faces", and that smartphones were this exciting new thing Handspring was just introducing to the market that nobody could afford.
Then I got two unsolicited copies of the TSR novel "Death of the Dragon" in the mail - this may have been an error by a small book distributor I did business with, so I can't be sure -- but "Dragon" was part of the IM name I used at the time, and I could never be sure. I still have both copies, and I haven't read either. I don't actually think I even touched either after I put them on the bookshelf those years ago.
Then the fella proved himself grossly incompetent, and threatened to beat me to death. In a public library, where I "was", he was "behind" me. I was sitting at a desk, at home, with a baseball bat within arms' reach. I mocked him for the rest of the night, and then it ended. He failed. Epically. His confrontation... wasn't.
But I'm not in high school any more. I spent the next couple years reading books like "Shooting To Live" and "Kill or Get Killed". I took years of aikido, tae kwon do, and studied a few forms of swordplay for a few more years. I carry a gun, and enough ammo to get through the statistically average civilian-defense gunfight, and then a little more. Sometimes, more than one. I'm seriously considering building some ghetto-but-effective body armor. (Steel rifle plates went out of style because they're heavy and unconcealable, but they offer an awful lot of protection). I don't carry a gun because I expect to get in a fight; I carry because I don't expect to get in a fight. If I expected one, I'd simply send a SWAT team in my stead, and sip Starbucks in the mobile command center. (No police department takes documentable, documented conspiracy to commit murder lightly in this age of lawsuits!) I don't sit with my back to the door at restaurants any more, I know what phrases like "condition yellow" mean, and I look for the bulge of a poorly-concealed weapon now when someone walks into the gas station while I'm fueling up.
Fortunately, for the most part, I don't mind living like this. In practice, 98% of the time, it just means I can make unplanned trips to the gun range without going home for weapons. And - unlike most liberals - I know a secret: The shooting sports are fun. I hesitate to say it, but it's a blast to put 20 shots into a single hole not any bigger than a nickel; mastery for its own sake is one of the most rewarding things.
But somewhere, deep down, I know and cannot forget: I found this thing I enjoy because someone threatened to kill me in a public place, in front of witnesses, and get away with it. And other geeks may not get through it as well as I did. I may enjoy the trappings, but I wouldn't want to put anyone through the scary parts on the way to where I am today.
Let us not mistake this for an isolated incident; it is not. Let us not mistake it for something new; it is not. Let us not allow this to happen again; it should not.
I am exploring the hypothesis that motor skill development in children, and in particular, the failure of certain children to learn certain motor skills lays the groundwork for the later development of toxic and unhealthy behaviours such as harassment described in the original post and related behaviours such as bullying, a recently widely reported socially destructive behaviour.
What do I mean by "explore a hypothesis"? I work with severely disabled kids. Kids that have huge time delay around a simple task like holding a pencil and making a mark on a sheet of paper. This has lead me to observe non-disabled elementary school kids and the extreme rapidity where every month every child develops new abilities to play games. Kids quickly move from "throw it to me" to performing screen passes and showing new control as they play basketball.
The same learning process, in public school, trails off into disorder and incompleteness in matters of moving from motor skills to social skills like befriending and interacting socially in a group at lunch. Some kids stand in clusters, trying to figure out how to get and give attention. Other kids are silent. All of them floundering around gradually falling into a gelled relationship. Whatever that relationship is, it is not formally a part of "school" (but I see the same processes taking place as when I went to elementary school some 50 years ago). The capability of making a friend, being a friend and being able to keep becoming socially healthy is something of great importance and real delicacy.
The hypothesis applies to this kid and this cruel trolling or harassment like this: many years beforehand this person failed to learn some motor skill, then failed to pick up the game, then failed to learn the ideas and rules embedded in the game. When his motor skill apparatus had matured to the point where he was able to engage in sophisticated motor skill planning he lacked an adequate experience and capability base to conduct himself in a constructive manner.
The past few years it seems like lots and lots of kids are getting to their high school and college years and displaying highly developed motor skills and planning skills with a really grave absence of the high level part of culture. Are the number of socially deficient young people greater now than in past years? I don't know.
I feel tracing the bad social behaviour back to motor skill acquisition in elementary school points to a way to address the behaviour problem at it's inception.
He's was being a complete dick. I hope his parents neuter him.
The article is most likely a fake.
Tracking someones home simply by having an IP adress with no help from the ISP and various legal procedures? Yeah, sure.
*Not* going to the police over physical world death-threats? Yeah, sure.
I bet money that this is a fabricated news story by a loony pseudo journalist. Or that Leo Traynor simply doesn't exist. There are accounts on the interweb that indicate this.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
They call it the Xbox 360 because when you see it, you turn 360 degrees and walk right back the way you came!
This sounds much more less like a troll than a stalker. A troll is someone who gives you, or anyone else, shit on a site...a stalker is someone who focuses on you and follows you in some fashion. Sure...trolls are annoying, but I'm suspicious that this is simply part of a conspiracy to confuse the two by definition. And more importantly, legally.
Hackers are fine and beneficial beings...trolls are too in their own way. I most cases they just want to provide a fresh perspective, if not. They're using the Internet as a therapeutic tool.
Please, let's not confuse trolling for stalking and then perversely give trolls 10 year sentences, (annoying as they may be) by confusing reality, like copying is often confused with theft.
Obvious (self-claimed) techno-illiterate is trolled. He just happens to know an IT Genius (TM) who just happens to work at his ISP and coincidentally is able to pass on personal identifying of a third party in a manner that just happens to be legal. Then the whole episode (which appears to involve criminal activity with deliberate intent by the so-called troll) is just washed away, leaving no independent documented trace. Call me suspicious. Which ISP employs people who are so 'helpful' in the absence of legal warrants? Don't the have something like a Data Protection Act over there?
I've never heard of this guy. He's supposed to be a "writer", but the only thing I can find about him is his blog, and this article which he's managed to get plastered everywhere. Why do I care that his neighbor's kid was harassing him?
It's people like this (troll) who make it hard to argue for universal free speech. So we're stuck with some lame subjective standard for harassment.
Leo Traynor is a fiction. Apparently he has lived in no less than seventeen countries over the past eight years, including some of the most politically unstable regions on the planet; more that he has managed to stay still long enough to gain a DPhil in international politics (no school anywhere has any record of him), that he has worked for all three main parties in the UK as a press liaison officer (yet no mention of him in the Press, ever). That he has worked for both parties in the US as a Press liaison officer (ditto). His story is so full of holes you could drain chips with it.
Leo Traynor, you are a bullshitter.
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
I suggest you learn a little about Ireland before posting. It is a very different culture from the US.
These conspiracy sites are spreading hate and paranoia.
Doe this sound familiar to you?
The Jew run illuminati controls the world with their annual bilderberg meetings and everything that has ever been wrong with the world is because of the Jews. (and black people...and muslims...and whoever they can point their hate stick at)
I believe this kid might have chatted with one (or a few) of those deranged felon crack heads, and had been manipulated into targeting Leo.
I don't believe this kid was a sociopath, but he is definitely on the right path.
Also this from the end of the article:
The author has asked us to make clear he does not want to be paid a fee
Somebody's unethical enough to lie but is concerned they may get into legal hot water if they're uncovered and they've taken money for it. They're still getting lots of free publicity though.
If you've ever seen very young puppies playing, you know that it's not as cute as it sounds. There's yelping and pain, and often even blood as the puppies bite one another mercilessly. But as the days and weeks pass, that stops; by being bitten, the puppies learn that biting hurts. It takes a little while, and is perhaps not the most pleasant of methods, but it's what their minds can process.
Some people are the same way. It's a cruel thing to force a bully (or its net-cousin, the troll) to look in the mirror and see what they've really done; what they really are. It messes with a person's head in a way that those who haven't experienced it cannot understand. But many of them legitimately NEED that kind of cruelty; it's the language they speak, the stimulus they know how to sense.
It's still cruel, mind you; it shouldn't be shied away from, but it shouldn't be glorified or looked forward to either. Sometimes it's not even possible, especially in the age of the Internet. But when it can be done, I'd call it preferable to bringing in the authorities. It's less wasteful, on account of not throwing up lifelong obstacles for the troll to overcome, and when properly applied it hurts worse than the law would allow our authorities to inflict anyway. Justice and vengeance, all wrapped up in a nice, neat package.
One beautiful Sunday morning in Queens, N.Y., I am in my car, parked along a nice open-field park. It's,for the 19 year old me, a great morning! I'm enjoying my coffee and breakfast sandwich while listening to a great Dr. Demento show on the radio, and all is right in my world. Until I look in my rearview mirror and see something that doesn't 'fit' with my perfect morning. It's a straight road and far behind me a van is parked, and there are three young men around the driver's door, and they are yelling a great deal. I want to ignore this and go back to my Sunday comics, but I'm bothered by not knowing what to do. More upset that it's ruining my perfect morning,, I get out and walk a beeline course straight to them, not knowing what I'm going to do, but I do know what's happening is wrong.
The last 40 feet, one of the guys notice me, and the leader of their group walks tough up to me, words are exchanged. And yes, I am scared. He's bigger than I am, and if it came to a fight I'd lose. But a few weeks earlier I'd heard somewhere that when it comes to bullies, never show fear. Never 'back' from a bully, not even in your eye. They will sense your fear, once you show fear, the fight's over, you've already lost, and you may as well lay down and 'take your beating'. So when the tough moves toward me, I don't move, words get exchanged. I mention coolly (in my best Clint Eastwood voice) that three on one isn't fair, and that I'm just here to "even up the odds." And an amazing thing happened. He backed down, unsure of what I might know. They walk off, I check the driver who has a pretty girlfiend in his passenger seat. Ask if he's ok, he says "Yeah, thanks.", I walk back to my car feeling shaky from the adrenaline effect, and go back to my fine Sunday morning, feeling kind of good about the way that episode turned out.
I learned that day that bullies are mostly hot air, and also that I'm a pretty damn good 'bluffer'. It's a poker game, really. That bully didn't know me, and I acted confidant enough so that he felt I wasn't worth the risk, and 'folded' his hand. I've used this 'never show fear to a bully' technique throughout my life, and it works on some of the biggest guys! Now, there are situations where "walking away" is what a man must do, not all confrontations 'need' to be 'won', and some can't be won, best to leave. But know your local laws so you don't get arrested a lot. This post may get modded down, or off-topic. I'm typing it in so maybe some young man or woman reading this will be helped if they ever have dealings with a bully. They come in all shapes, sizes and types in life. 'Trolls should be treated the same way, never let 'em see you sweat.
That's an interesting case of Prisoner's Dilemma there. If everyone is anonymous, nobody can stalk anybody, but there will be relatively many rude people. If only some people are anonymous (and potentially rude) and others aren't (and are civil), then the civil folks run the risk of being stalked by anonymous rude people. If nobody is anonymous, nobody can stalk anybody, at least not while escaping punishment, and we'll have fewer rude people.
In the Prisoner's Dilemma, there are several solutions to this. One is having an external authority that keeps both prisoner's from talking. Another strategy that works well (in the sense of fostering cooperation) is tit-for-tat with random altruism, where in each round of Prisoner's Dilemma you cooperate if the other person cooperated with you in the previous one, and betray if they betrayed you, except that you occasionally give them a break and cooperate even if they betrayed you. This latter feature keeps the system from getting stuck in endless loops of betrayal. The analogues in the case of Internet anonymity would be a real-name policy, and letting users selectively share their personal information with others. Note that for the user to follow the tit-for-tat strategy, users have to know that it's the same person who betrayed them last time, so you can't have multiple accounts per person (another reason for a real-name policy). Of course, there are also good valid uses of anonymity and anonymous speech, and there should be a place for them as well.
Exactly, and that is why the solution that Traynor chose is the right solution, and it's quite admirable that he did so. But even if all he would consider would be self-interest, this would have been the correct solution. Prisons and other punishment don't solve the problem of crime in a society. They just repress the symptoms, and they deflect and channel feelings of revenge into something more civilised than a lynching. If you actually want to solve the crime problem, you have to prevent people from becoming criminals, because once they are there is very little you can do to turn them into good citizens again. That means keeping a very close eye on 12-18 year olds who are running with the wrong crowd, who live in unstable families, and so on, and intervening where necessary. Keep them on the straight during puberty and adolescence, make sure they finish school and find a job and start a family, that's basically all you have to do (see also the recent find-hackers-girlfriends item). And for the ones for which it's too late, and the ones with mental disorders, well, so far prisons and closed institutions is the best we can do it seems. But if Traynor had had this kid sent to prison, the kid would have been out in a couple years, and would probably have got right back into stalking people or worse. The path he chose to take gives Traynor a much better chance of never having to deal with this again.
Mr Traynor has made a grave mistake. Merciful to a wicked is wicked to the merciful. Hopefully the next victim of the little shitface will also have an IT Genius friend. Reporting the little shit to GARDA would have been THE RIGHT THING.
if this was your kid,your little or big brother that was doing this. How this would likely have some serious consequences to the ole family structure. I know if this was my family member,i would be utterly devastated. Sure, incarceration,counseling or whatever is decided for consequences is important, but wow. Talk about a dark secret.
Oblig.
Lucky for you then that god doesn't exist.
So the cops can't find this guy, they're wringing their hands in helplessness. Along comes "An IT Genius" that traces the house by IP ... and the cops couldn't call any of their guys on the entire force to do that?
As far as I've heard from friends and experienced myself, the cops don't give much of a shit unless child porn or something similar is involved, or you lead them at the person who did it yourself.
This story makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, and I see basically two possibilities:
1.The events described, as a whole, actually happened, but the technical issues described(finding the IP and hacking the facebook page) were misinterpreted by the author.
2. The entire thing is false.
I don't know which one it is, personally I think the latter as it sounds implausible and reads like a work of fiction.
The claim of the "IT genius friend" finding the house from the IP obviously makes no sense for two reasons:
1.Twitter and Facebook do not reveal their user's IPs, nor do most email services. Depending on the blog host, it's possible he could have found the IP there, but obviously there would be no way to be sure it was the same as the stalker(troll is the wrong word) on FB and Twitter.
2.Converting the IP to a physical address obviously is not possible without cooperation from the ISP. The author claims that his friend was able to deduce not one, not two, but THREE physical addresses from the IP addresses, including his friend's house. I don't see an ISP doing that without police or court involvement first, as giving a customer's physical location out opens them up to significant liability.
The overall story appears false as it is practically written to appeal to those who fear young people using computers. "His son was glued to the computer...couldn't watch TV without tweeting" "engrossed in conspiracy sites". This reads like a work of fiction pushing an agenda, an anti-youth, anti-internet hit piece.
When I started writing this post, I honestly wasn't sure which of the two possibilities was true, whether the author misconstrued the events or whether the whole thing was a hoax. Having re-read the article a few times now, I'm sure this is false and a hoax, and I hope it is exposed.
God also hates bullies: 2 Kings 2:23-24
Sorry to burst bubbles, but this overly dramatic and sappy story is obviously designed for readership consumption and to get famous. It's 100% fake, doubled-down vague on details.
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Young people setting fires, torturing animals, and yes sending threats via computer are obvious sing of psychopathic personalities. I predict the boy will eventually cause serious harm to someone.
That's basically what this guy was, a bully. He was picking out someone he deemed weaker, he looked for a trigger that he could push to make his victim cower in fear and he went for it. That's the same shit that has been going down schoolyards for ages now.
The only reason this gets some attention is that it can happen to someone of voting age.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
LMAO, so you troll back even more sophomoricly? Yeah, you're a pro. Back to math class, youngster!
Did the guy ever try to understand what drove this "Internet troll" to hate/despise him so much, or did he just assume it was baseless racism and he was crazy?
A good beating will modify the behaviour of anyone dramatically.
Evidence shows that punishment like this only modifies behaviour whilst the threat continues. Remove the threat, and you'll find nothing changed. This has been very precisely studied.
Medieval crowd control methods as practised by the Catholic Church and Vlad the Impaler, still work just as efficiently today, as it did back then.
Gee... you must be an authoritarian personality. People are different. They are not all like you. Most are not like you. You cannot project your experience of life onto others. Perhaps medieval crowd control would be good for you -- but for the rest of us, it will just create a spiral of violence. Like the violence in medieval times.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
Anyway, enough pontificating. Queue the trolls...
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Trolololoooo
Whether the story is true or an attention grab, what occurs to me is that the end is unusual and in some ways unrealistic. It depends on the troll having some decency in them that they had not managed to suppress by their hatred or disdain of their quarry.
Yes, it is possible to track down an harasser. I've done it. (It was a team effort, and the guy eventually lost his job and will probably never work in that field again.) It needs to be someone who can manipulate the tools without knowing how they operate, and without the knowledge and experience to adequately cover their tracks. Lots of people are full of venom but not intelligence.
The thing is, just telling them what kind of person you are and how badly they hurt you is, if anything, added motive to (in my opinion) the great majority of scum out there. They don't care who you are, and the fact that they've caused you pain is invigorating. Making the world crash down on them is in most cases the only solution.
In this particular case (again, if true and not just a marketing effort), given that the troll was the son of a friend, confronting the kid with parents present is a necessary first step, but I'd be surprised as hell if it worked. Real life is seldom so accommodating.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
Yet another anti-semitic hatecrime is a hoax.
That teen needed to be beaten with a sack of nickles in an alley.
What a crock of shit.
Who the hell is Leo Traynor?
http://www.resistradio.com/news/questioning-the-trollocaust-did-leotraynor-really-suffer-vile-hate-campaign
He captures the smug, fastidious overwhelmed-boomer persona fantastically well. I remember how adults used to pull that crap all the time when I was a teenager: they conspire among themselves, ambush you, embarrass you by your poor ability to express yourself, bully you into "agreeing" to things, and then blab to everyone about how you are an incomprehensible crazyperson with nonsensical motivations, sometimes within your hearing or even to your face. I think "It was a game thing" was a lie, telling him what he wanted to hear. If there were a reason, it does not make sense to throw it in the adult's face after being cornered like that because the adult's entire aim is to get inside the kid's head and exploit his weaknesses.
Overall, of course I side with Leo over the troll, but it is so obviously wrong to relentlessly terrorize others then hide behind your youth to avoid retaliation. There's nothing to learn there, so criticizing Leo is more interesting. In particular, his smug last word:
"You're better than this. You have a name of your own. Be proud of it. Don't hide it again and I won't ruin it if you play ball with your parents."
This is part of a larger debate about pseudonymity on the Internet. He seems to find it immoral not to volunteer to make yourself vulnerable to retaliation. You'd think, after being harassed like this, the man might have a different perspective, or might think to experiences a little bigger than his own where someone could make his life unliveable. Also I think this thought, "make yourselves maximally vulnerable or be treated with suspicion or excluded" is the hallmark of an abusive regime, like the heart plugs the Harkonnens installed in Dune.
Cthulhu doesn't hate everyone. In fact, he thinks everyone is delicious.
Leo Traynor's BS Exposed
The thing that gets me about this story is the "IT genius" family. We are told basically nothing about them other than it consists of a husband, wife, and 17 year old son. We are told that the father did notice his son always being online and never watching TV. Didn't they start to suspect something was up with their son? If this boy truly does lack any empathy it would of shown up prior to this incident.
The story just doesn't go deep enough to provide context to the boy's actions. Yeah, taken at face value, that was easily premeditated harassment and deserves some kind of punishment. If his brain is lacking in chemicals that keep him from realizing what wrong he is doing, then it needs to be treated. Everybody deserves a shot at happiness in their lives.
The following week it happened again in an identical manner. A new follower, I followed back, received a string of abusive DMs, blocked and reported for spam.
So why does Traynor follow bother to follow twitter people who follow him? You can't DM people unless they follow each other. Problem solved.
He was horrified at what his son had done. Horrified, but not surprised. He wanted to call the authorities there and then and turn him in. But I said no.
What you should do is take the kid out to the woodshed, and give him the beating he richly deserves. Make sure there are no witnesses. Problem solved.
Ruining somebodies life via the Internet, eh? I could say something like, "if that is possible you didn't have a life to begin with". Unfortunately, some of us are forced to use the internet via sites like Facebook and Twitter since the aggregate number of users there has become so large it has become sensible to attach your commercial interests to it.
Beyond that I do value my semi-anonymity here at slashdot and think people here are more civil than you portait them to be. I did meet bigger assholes in real life.
Je me souviens.
This story sounds cooked up. The ending is a bit too Brady Bunch for reality.
Kid's 17? He needed some time downtown. Give him an idea of what lockup is like. I stay off political threads these days as generic, to me at least, political theorizing has led to "If I see you I'll bash your head". Not physically worried - the lethal weapon is the mind - but don't need problems with the cops and I have kids etc ... And, from purchasing domain names in the 90s without thinking it through, I can't get my home address off the internet as web scrapers found it before I blocked it and now a company in Fla said for $50 they'd consider removing it from their database. As an experiment I got their PO box pretty quickly but the two companies in China listing my address didn't respond.
So it's AC from here on out ...
That's my "take" on it, & everyone here pretty much KNOWS I have my own personal "troll psycho-stalker fanclub" (which they do to nearly ALL of my posts here).
I suspect it's only a SINGLE fool though... one I've completely DUSTED in computing technical debates here on /., actually!
Why would I think that? Simple: Geeks are PRONE to "geek angst" when you "shoot them down" in errors... & they seek "revenge" via trolling (or as is often done here on /., downmodding posts & running - no justifications whatsoever that are vaild are offered either!)
Now, some of these "trolls" that stalk me CALL ME A TROLL... well, all I can say to that, is this:
You disprove the points I level vs. your posts? You can call me a troll then, but that's KIND OF TOUGH, when you use FACTS as I do in technical discussions on computing.
APK
P.S.=> 1 thing /. needs - A REVISION TO THE MODERATION SYSTEM, & by that, I mean allowing the ability to KNOW who downmodded you, so that if the poster IS doing "hit & run" unjustifiable downmods, you can id who did better, to simply confront them (& thus, humiliating them for it) on the reasons WHY they did so (usually "effete retaliation" like a woman would do, in hit & run downmods or off-topic ad hominem attacks etc.)...
... apk
You obviously need to be touched by His noodly appendage! Clearly this Cthulu is a myth, much like this 'Leo Traynor'. Don't spend your life wandering around the world lost and blind! Become a Pastafarian and get groped by His noodly appendage today! http://www.venganza.org/
This is just straight up malicious harrassment. The person harassing him is clearly deranged.
Trolling is baiting someone to get a response out of them for laughs. Example, what the GNAA would do here was trolling, with annoying first posts and goatse to essentially prank people.
This is trying to ruin someone just for the sake of doing it. I mean, how much further would it have gone? If this guy didnt get his rocks off on trying to systematically ruin the guy, would he up the ante and try to get him killed? It kept seeming to escalate. The kid was looking for some quick empowerment over his victim, and that usually escalates to something bigger when he doesnt get his fix.
"Unless he was smart enough to see that this special, unannounced meeting with Traynor was set up to confront him." -
Confronting you now, see you here -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154101&cid=41508377
* However, more importantly? Here -> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3154101&cid=41508399
(The latter's the findings of your /. peers, & a security expert from a division of Symantec, vs. your words...)
APK
P.S.=> There you are... see you there to discuss the matter!
... apk
Wow, this kid is totally nuts. And how do you become such a huge anti-Semite at that age? Surely he heard his parents talk that way? It took me decades to get my biases and that all came from real interactions with people, not just crap I read online.
The guy should have pressed charges. The kid isn't misunderstood or confused or something, he's a fucking nutter who needs observation, counseling, and possibly medication.
But it's feasible that the author's statements that he baited the troll on might indicate he used some sort of honeypot to get the troll to cough up his IP address. As far as getting him to reveal his ACTUAL location, it seems like it might take a lot to get him to do it even once. But three times? I have to admit this would be quite a stretch without maybe some sort of actual hacking or something. But maybe he did indeed bait the troll into somehow installing something on his machine, that'd be illegal and he couldn't ever write about that, he'd have to sanitize his story a bit. Also the geolocation site could be something, If I had a friend who lived in a relatively small city in ireland and an IP showed up there. I might ask my friend... "hey this isn't your IP is it?" especially if my antagonist seemed to know a lot about me. But why your father's friend??? It's not like there aren't an endless supply of superior trolling targets on the internet, though I have encountered these sorts of trolls in the past, really angry and abrasive but not actually funny.
I think your points are hard to argue with though.
Fun fact, per the DSM-IV Sociopathy, or actually Antisocial Personality Disorder, as it's now known, can't be diagnosed before age 18.
Technically correct, because the childhood version has its own separate equivalent, known as Conduct Disorder, in which the criteria are appropriately tailored for the characteristics of younger individuals. Note that the criteria list for Antisocial Personality Disorder includes an item for past history of Conduct Disorder, too.
I read it more as "the cops couldn't be bothered to make an effort", which in many places isn't so unlikely
> So the cops can't find this guy, they're wringing their hands in helplessness. Along comes "An IT Genius" that traces the house by IP ... and the cops couldn't call any of their guys on the entire force to do that? However if the kid torrented a Song they would have found him pronto.
That's the realistic part.
According to the article:
"My Twitter account was deactivated but before doing so I posted links to my Google+ account, blog and invited people to contact me on Facebook. I'm delighted that a lot of my lovely friends did. I'm also delighted that The Troll did too."
So can anyone explain how you get to someones IP address by inviting people to contact you on Facebook?
Slashdot
1997-2012
Yes going by the test there is a suggestion of Irish locality, but It seems it was composed by a Yank to me.
I thought it was fake too. Reminded me of made up journo crap straight away, like half the shit found in any Murdoch rag & in many other rags too.
The author of this story typifies everything that is wrong with today's no-accountability culture.
He's weak in the exact way that fosters the troll that tortured him. I honestly find myself disgusted with him. I imagine, though she may not admit it, his wife was not thrilled and consciously or subconsciously thinks less of his approach to "defending" the family.
I don't care if it's a friend's kid or my kid. He needed to fail at manipulating his way out of trouble. He needed to go before the police and the courts.
Now others will suffer because of the author's common, and absolutely awful, "the past is the past, I forgive you" approach to dealing with crime.
Tired of Political Trolls? Opt Out!
No, the kid wasn't a troll. He was, rather, a stalker. In the US, if he'd been after me, I'd have tried a couple of things: one, as much as I despise them, I would have called the FBI. This is possibly wire fraud, and is certainly a death threat. The Men In Black showing up at the kid's door, and probably taking his computer, might have gotten his attention to the RW.
Two: I could do my own tracking. The thought of either threatening to show up at his door with a real sword, which I know how to use, is vastly entertaining.
Three: possibly the simplest one, and the one I'd start with: I'd contact my 'Net provider, a phone company, and talk to their Fraud and Abuse dept. I can say, from having worked for several US telecoms, they do *NOT* take this kind of thing kindly... and they can talk to other phone co.s....
mark, who needs to sharpen his sword....
It's a fiction. There's no reason the troll shouldn't be in jail, and there's no way that the author, if he were telling the truth, wouldn't go tot he authorities and have the little asshole arrested and hailed.
I get the gist of the article, it's supposed to imply that game play and tech addiction is responsible for the trend of people being cowardly little shits.
The reality, though, is that it' not the tech, it's the culture and sociopathy. Don't confront trolls like this, that can get you killed. Gather the information and report them to the authorities, get a lawyer, sue them, and send them to jail.
It's where they belong.
No way is an adult man that's received a note about his wife's throat being slit someday going to just let something like this slide; nor should he. The article is fake, the guy is a liar, and his message is stupid.
(Can I start a meme? Rick-Trolled?)
No, but you could channel Ed Khil...
"Trollolo-Leo! Troll Leo! Troll Leo! Low, low, low, low..."
give us the name of this legal software. so did you go after those turd tamping little a@@h@les? don't leave us hanging!
i'm not buying this propaganda.
This is Ireland we're talking about. I think it's a fair comment to say that a lot of our police would regard this as a nuisance, at most. There was no blood spilled, no property damage, and an almost invisible perpetrator. In an environment where there is a resurgence in 'gangland' killings, in broad daylight, and where the same force is, like most things here at the moment, under-funded, they were never going to prioritise a case like this. They have a few 'IT genii' on the force but by and large, they have no specialist training. If the kid torrented a song they would, I could almost guarantee you, completely ignore it; they have more important things on their minds. If they did have sufficient resources to deal with this kind of thing then I'm pretty sure their approach would have been similar to the author's - confront the minor in the presence of the parents (and probably a social worker or solicitor - I'm not a legal expert) to let him know he'd been caught, that they were aware of him and his activities, and that they would be watching him in the future. Not march him into court in handcuffs and send him off to an institution where any criminal tendencies and distorted views of the world would be re-enforced.
From a local perspective, there is nothing 'out of whack' about this story.
So the cops can't find this guy, they're wringing their hands in helplessness. Along comes "An IT Genius" that traces the house by IP ... and the cops couldn't call any of their guys on the entire force to do that? However if the kid torrented a Song they would have found him pronto.
Once heard on the radio, that a body had been found in a suitcase washed up on the shore of the Liffey (Dublin). The radio advised that Gardai (police) were treating the death as suspicious.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
No one ever learns if there are no consequences other than having to cry when you torture someone's entire family for months (in the most vile way imaginable).
You get your second chance when the police and the courts are done with you. They give plenty of ill-advised second chances as it is, especially to kids.
Tired of Political Trolls? Opt Out!
"I call you "The hosts file guy"." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Sunday September 30, @08:15PM (#41509383) Homepage
See subject-line above, & these times I've made you RUN like the troll you are:
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Ash-Fox outnumbered & outthought, in a 40++:1 ratio:
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3137925&cid=41448805
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Ash-Fox RUNS vs. data on Windows on Servers worldwide:
http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3110069&cid=41346029
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* "Blowing Away" a troll like you, by using FACTS?
Well... you just KNOW that I've just GOTTA say it (as-is-per-my-usual "inimitable style"):
THIS? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'"...
APK
P.S.=> Just as it was above in those 2 links you RAN from, troll, and of course? Here again, now, using those facts in the 2 links above... lmao!
... apk
You RAN from my facts on Windows Server:
http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3110069&cid=41346029
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You RAN regarding my posting style being upmodded MANY times when you said my posts aren't read:
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3137925&cid=41448805
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You RAN regarding my post on malware "false positives" I asked you to disprove in its points:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3132237&cid=41401485
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* Ash-Fox: Your life as a troll must be pretty depressing - you aren't even GOOD @ it, lol...
APK
P.S.=> Another "troll" getting 'dusted' (& in "The Wreck of the Ash-Fox Fitzgerald" here? LMAO, you just KNOW I've just GOTTA say it, as-is-per-my-usual "inimitable style"):
THIS? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" & it ALWAYS IS, vs. Ash-Fox especially...
... apk
You blew your modpoints from your MANY alternate registered 'luser' account sockpuppets on those posts of mine to downmod them, but YOU didn't disprove my technical points in them, and you know it, I KNOW IT, as does anyone else reading with 1/2 a brain does... period!
* You FAIL...lol!
(Ash-Fox: What's it like being a total loser of a troll such as yourself? "Inquiring minds want to know"...)
APK
P.S.=> You make me laugh - it must be an awful life to live as a troll like you, Ash-Fox... lol!
... apk
"It's interesting to find out that following me all over Slashdot" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Wednesday October 03, @04:02PM (#41542163) Homepage
You're following ME around /., Ash. We see that much here too.
* You FAIL, Ash-Fox... and you're VERY STUPID & easy to outwit as well with your own b.s. you're spouting!
APK
P.S.=> Proof's RIGHT HERE in this post, as to the lies you're telling in the above quote... as well as in the other links I posted, lol, that you "downmodded" in "effete retaliation" since you're unable to disprove technical points I made in them (facts are like that - they DESTROY trolls such as yourself)...
... apk
Funny I posted 1st in the links I posted, & you show up trolling AFTERWARDS... "funny that", eh (NOT)!
* Honestly - what IS your problem?
APK
P.S.=> You're only showing us you do more of the same stalking of myself here now...
... apk
"Well, it's certainly not being paranoid there is a guy out there who has many sock puppet accounts to harass just me because I wrote a hosts file management utility." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Wednesday October 03, @06:41PM (#41543831) Homepage
What have you ever written for programs others use Ash? Nothing.
LMAO - I have to laugh, since it IS truth! You haven't shown us otherwise after all...
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"For the hive mind!" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Wednesday October 03, @06:41PM (#41543831) Homepage
Don't you mean for the TROLLING COWARDLY WUSS "Ne'er-Do-Well" MIND instead, troll?
I say that since:
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1.) You've already been shown stalking me around here on /., & for the past few weeks now in 3 separate posts.
2.) You've never created ANYTHING OF WORTH yourself in the way of programs.
3.) You're nothing but a troll...
Period!
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* Living the life of a TROLL online, and a "ne'er-do-well" on YOUR END to top it off?
Pitiful!
APK
P.S.=> Do yourself a favor Ash-Fox: Do something constructive & productive that's of service to others - since it's FAR BETTER than trolling & stalking others as YOU do!
... apk
"My current project is Exodus Viewer." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Thursday October 04, @12:54PM (#41550613) Homepage
I've done 40++: 1 even becoming a COMMERCIALLY sold one by certified MS partners (that did EXTREMELY WELL @ Microsoft Tech-Ed 2000-2002 as a FINALIST in the hardest category there - SQLServer Performance enhancement).
* That's SuperCache I/II by EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com ... & the tuning engine for it (which made it 40% more effective in fact!)...
(So, how about YOU?)
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"Nope, I'm making humor based off your plural form of representing yourself." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Thursday October 04, @12:54PM (#41550613) Homepage
You showed that you've stalked me @ least 3-4 times this month alone on these forums, Ash -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41541723
(And, there's no question I posted there FIRST, & you came in "trolling"... completely off-topic too, no less!)
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"Since you're mad, bro." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Thursday October 04, @12:54PM (#41550613) Homepage
LMAO - far, Far, FAR from being angry here... more pitying you stalking me actually!
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"Stalking you? Hardly. Stumble across your posts? Yes." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Thursday October 04, @12:54PM (#41550613) Homepage
Off-topic trolling doesn't QUALIFY as legitimate, Ash... grow up!
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"You didn't search very hard, did you?" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Thursday October 04, @12:54PM (#41550613) Homepage
For what? Ash-Fox?? Searching for someone by a "nickname" wouldn't usually YIELD a damned thing in most cases!
(Considering you've only got 1 project, that's not even a commercially sold one? Well...)
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* Grow up Ash-Fox... seriously!
APK
P.S.=> Put your time into your application instead of trolling my posts, doing off-topic illogical ad hominem attacks directed my way that FAIL, & what-not...
... apk
"You sound fairly difficult to work with in general, I'm sceptical." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Thursday October 04, @05:31PM (#41553321) Homepage
FIRST OF ALL: "Eat your words"
http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/superspeed/ScReadMe41.txt
Search my name (Alexander Peter Kowalski), there in the link above and EAT YOUR WORDS... lol!
So, you "eating your words" again vs. myself? Hey - not a "1st" for you vs. myself!
(Since I've already pointed out you having to do THAT VERY THING while you trolled me 3-4 times this month already... & you RAN from disproving my tech points in them too, lol!).
That's just fact already established here!
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SECONDLY: Answer the question in my subject-line
I ask it, since I heard a TEAM works on the SINGLE project you spoke of that you claim involvement with...
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"NDAs prevent me from talking about commercial solutions I've co-developed." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Thursday October 04, @05:31PM (#41553321) Homepage
Sorry, THAT won't "cut it" & sounds like b.s.! Just to be BLATANTLY HONEST here on this...
So yes: I'd ALSO LIKE TO SEE PROOF, just as I put up above, OF YOUR INVOLVEMENT IN THAT "EXODUS VIEWER" AS A PROGRAMMER OF IT...
I haven't seen it... show me a link that proves it as I did for you above...
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"I wouldn't be surprised if I've been involved in more, but I haven't been counting" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Thursday October 04, @05:31PM (#41553321) Homepage
Heck - I could cite 80++ vs. around 40-50, IF I counted all the information systems I've written professionally of "enterprise-class"/"mission-critical" nature that span into MILLIONS of lines of code, with many moving parts (code, stored procs, middleware, setup & more).
And?
Hey - I only cited shareware/freeware I did... albeit, 1 that was GOOD ENOUGH to be "bought out" by a certified MS partner since it made their already great ware GREATER by 40% in performance!
(Funniest part, I did THAT as far back as 1996... I'd wager YOU were STILL IN DIAPERS back then, lol!)
QUESTION: HAVE YOU DONE THE SAME? No, evidently!
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"More reading comprehension issues. I've done far more than just one project." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Thursday October 04, @05:31PM (#41553321) Homepage
Heck, like I said above now? I could cite HUNDREDS (almost) since 1994... of varying natures!
APK
P.S.=> I'll be waiting... apk
Now that you had to eat them flavored w/ the "bitter taste of defeat" (self-defeat, mind you, since you shot your mouth off) and spiced with YOUR FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41553465 ?
* YOU FAIL!
APK
P.S.=> IF you would have come up with 1 piece of proof of YOU being a developer on that project (especially SOLE developer, not part of a TEAM of them)?
I'd have given you 1 thing though IF you did that: That you'd have done SOMETHING alright, yourself... but, you can't prove any of it!
(Which only 1 other "troll" of mine here on /. had ever come up with to show for themselves - I respected him for it though, unlike yourself @ this point!)
... apk
How do your words taste after you had to eat them, after stating you doubted I was part of SuperCache by SuperSpeed.com/EEC Systems?
* Face it - you FAILED, troll...
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"http://exodusviewer.com/apk.txt" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @09:06AM (#41557713) Homepage
Sorry, I won't visit a site you control - I just wanted to see YOUR NAME in the credits for that program AS THE PROGRAMMER OF IT (sole programmer, not part of a team, showing YOU DID IT BY YOURSELF, without help or source from others or other sources) from somewhere online OTHER than a site you run (what IS your name anyhow?)
After all - I produced mine, easily... why can't you??
Plus, it's not a commercially sold program either... despite your b.s. that "NDA prohibit you talking" (that is TOTAL b.s. - if you wrote part of something like that, then HOW WOULD YOU CLAIM IT AS PART OF YOUR RESUME otherwise?)
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"Sure I can. I'm just not easily motivated to do anything for a random angry guy on the Internet." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @09:06AM (#41557713) Homepage
Far from angry here - more laughing @ this point, especially about the "NDA" b.s. you tried to feed me... lol!
APK
P.S.=>
"Was it this guy (first result when searching your name)?" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @09:06AM (#41557713) Homepage
LMAO - Jay Little was "shot down in flames" on Memory Optimizers unstalling Exchange Servers by "yours truly" (me) over @ Windows IT Pro magazine's forums here:
http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/internals-and-architecture/the-memory-optimization-hoax#feedbackAnchor
Where he stated he was (literally) "An Expert on Exchange"!
To that, I produced Microsoft's OWN DOCUMENTATION on it?
Jay Little shut up & ran!
(Well, after *trying* to "troll me" on RamDisks & IRQL_NOT_LESS_THAN_OR_EQUAL_TO abends/errs (which signals driver or hardware failure iirc) over @ NTCompatible.com when he followed me to there from Windows IT Pro - which got him banned @ NTCompatible too, lol)....
Then, he began email harassing me, & making death threats... this all got Jay Little REMOVED from his hosting provider CrystalTech.com too (lmao).
He's still "sore" from defeating himself (just as YOU have here, troll)...
... apk
"Your bold and caps says otherwise, guy." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @09:48AM (#41558057) Homepage
Your STALKING me around this forums (& getting shot down + you running away each time) 4x this week already, proven here with verifying links of each:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41541723
Shows QUITE otherwise & who's "angry" here (& you stalking me shows anger from you directed MY way)... lol!
(ALSO - So, how do your words taste, now that you had to eat them here too? LMAO -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41553465 )
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"I didn't get that far, I read the first search result on you instead, as I said earlier, I'm just not easily motivated to do anything for a random angry guy on the Internet." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @09:48AM (#41558057) Homepage
Ahem: I put up the proof of my being part of a commercially sold program from Microsoft Certified Partners... you can't show the same!
(Plus, I did that level of work, that did EXTREMELY WELL in the hardest category there is @ Microsoft Tech-Ed 2000-2002 as a finalist there, 2 yrs. in a ROW no less, in SQLServer Performance Enhancement AND it reviewed extremely well before that even & my making it perform 40% BETTER no less, in the esteemed Windows IT Pro magazine (Windows NT magazine 1996 then)).
Fact!
Additionally: You trying to say an "NDA" stops you from taking credit for writing part of an app, is b.s. (you wouldn't be able to put it on your resume otherwise, fool, lol!)
(I don't blame you for being angry, albeit, @ YOURSELF, for blowing it SO MANY TIMES as shown directly above vs. myself during your "stalking" of myself, that it's not even FUNNY anymore...)
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"Regardless, that fulfills your "IF you would have come up with 1 piece of proof of YOU being a developer on that project" requirement. I don't care for your changing of goal posts." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @09:48AM (#41558057) Homepage
Man - again: You didn't show me ANY PROOF from a site you aren't part of, & I most definitely will NOT go to a website you control (you'd have my IP address then, that's a "no-no").
Heck - you could merely be the webmaster for that site, not a programmer of that program (let alone the SOLE single programmer, proving YOU DID THE WORK YOURSELF, & didn't "bite off' the work of others (as in Open SORES)).
You haven't proved, or shown, me anything... well, other than you like to "eat your words", lol!
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"According to the first search result on your name, you harass people's ISPs and other crap. Why would I knowingly give that information to you? I don't care enough to deal with your tantrums." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @09:48AM (#41558057) Homepage
No, I simply produced PROOF (undeniable) that I got those who harassed me, KICKED from their hosting providers, and I blew Jay Little CLEAN AWAY easily, using concrete, verifiable, & UNDENIABLE information from Microsoft's own documentations...
(LMAO - & you *tried* to crap on me, with Jay Little? LOL, huge mistake on your end, but then again, since history's already shown us this much? You "blow it" badly vs. myself, tons of times... hence, your "stalking" of myself on these forums which I've already shown you doing, just as you did in THIS VERY POST!)
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"Easy, it goes along the lines of "Developed an ecommerce system for a major retailer using Oracle's ATG framework" etc." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @09:48AM (#41558057) Homepage
Per my subject-line above -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3132237&cid=41401485 where I recently overturned a "FALSE POSITIVE" on the ware I wrote we were discussing here (which YOU tried to "put down" but were unable to disprove points I made on it that give users of it better speed/bandwidth online, better "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth", reliability, & even anonymity to an extent (vs. DNS Request logs + DNSBLs too!).
"In my opinion, you got played." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @11:04AM (#41558829) Homepage
Did I? CA (whom Thor SCHMUCK submitted the erroneous data to) passed that single app of mine (of 30++ in a single utilities package I created) AS ZERO THREAT LEVEL IN THE END... it isn't scriptable for attack even, & violated NONE of CA's 21 questions for removal in fact!
I PASSED EVERY SINGLE ONE!
LMAO - Thus?
Well... You FAIL again, Ash-Fox: There's no way for you to discredit me!
Nothing that I haven't "got covered" with facts that disprove your links (from trolls like Jay Little whom I already 'dusted' you on as I did he, and now, Thor Schmuck too... lol!)
This is too easy... since you've been:
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1.) Shown as a troll 4x this past few weeks on /., stalking myself (as you are here) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41541723
2.) That I did commercially available code from a certified MS partner that did EXTREMELY well while YOU were still in diapers (lol) @ both Microsoft Tech-Ed 2000-2002 as a FINALIST in its hardest category, 2 yrs. in a ROW no less -> (of which YOU couldn't show the SAME LEVEL OF PERSONAL ACHIEVEMENT ON YOUR OWN by yourself no less... lol, "NDA"? b.s.! You couldn't claim it on your resume then either...)
3.) You run after trolling me, unable to disprove my points (see #1 above)
4.) You ran from a question (lmao - "how do your words taste?" -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41553465 )
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& more...? Please... lol!
(Give up Ash - or, I'll just continue systematically "dismantling you", & showing that your "geek angst" has gotten "the best of you", in your continued trollish "stalking" of myself here on /.'s forums!)
Your last 2 "latest failed attempts" (lol, @ illogical off-topic failing ad hominem attacks no less) in Jay Little + Thor "Schmuck"?
YOU FAIL, yet again... lol!
You also said I "gloat"? Absolutely - after "trashing a troll" in yourself (or, others like you)?? I merit that right after blowing away trolls such as yourself (& there's NO DOUBT you've been trolling me, this is the 4th time I've shown that much in a few weeks from this website)... I love it, enjoy it, actually!
Thanks for making MY GLOATING, possible, here!
APK
P.S.=> In detail, regarding "Thor Schmuck" (the SEO optimization goof whom I burned along with Computer Associates):
From my +5 Upward Modded post on Computer Associates, above (CA's the source of that libel of myself):
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CA's disreputable - See their "ethics" in accounting practices which they got busted for:
PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:
"Customers know Computer Associates - and, these days, for all the wrong reasons. Just as the company was beginning to shed its reputation as a home for legacy software products that carried an inflated price tag, it was rocked by a series of accounting scandals. An on-going FBI fraud inquiry and investigations by the US Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have left it reeling, with a power vacuum at the top as over a dozen senior exec
Jeremy Reimer got "blown away" along with Jay Little (same time) for STALKING ME to Windows IT Pro & libelling me, email harassing me, & more!
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1.) Jeremy Reimer had his website removed from his hosting provider too, & was also caught email harassing me by his ISP Shaw of Canada
2.) Jeremy Reimer, after being thus "blown away" resorted to making "edited" libelous photos of myself (& a 'song' he sang) like a petulant child would after being "smoked" by myself
3.) I dusted EVERY SINGLE "naysayer" of mine there too, including Dr. Mark Russinovich (a former 'co-worker' of mine for Sunbelt software in the mid to late 1990's)
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Hey, look everyone:
Ash-Fox is just like Jeremy Reimer & Jay Little! Same with Doctoral Candidate (then), Jarrett DeAngelis as well (another of Reimer's 'henchmen', since Reimer's TOO undereducated & inexperienced to speak on computing technicals of that nature & level!)
(Ash-Fox is the same - & his stalking me, running from my technical points you trolled COMPLETELY off-topic, & questions I asked you here, as well as on Jay Little Jeremy Reimer's FELLOW ARSTECHNICAN I dusted along with Reimer & more, show it...)
Trolls - they're ALL THE SAME, everywhere it seems, same patterns, & same ease for defeating them, with facts. It's all I ever use, & it works to 'dust' trolls, every single time.
Fact: It is ALL at the Windows IT Pro link I posted earlier in regards to Jay Little -> http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/internals-and-architecture/the-memory-optimization-hoax#feedbackAnchor who claimed to be an "exchange expert", lol, & I DUSTED HIM ON THE FACT THAT EXCHANGE SERVERS THAT HALT OR SLOW UP CAN BE SPED UP OR UNHALTED BY MEMORY OPTIMIZATION PROGRAMS!
Jeremy Reimer *tried* to bring that stooge Jay Little in to "get the best of me" on technical information in computing, only to be EASILY, "blown away", lol... too easily!
Microsoft's documentations did it for me!
Face it: When my "naysayer" detractor MERE TROLLS have to resort to their "last resort" of ad hominem attacks and, lmao getting their websites REMOVED by their hosting providers for it too (Jay Little - CrystalTech.com, & Jeremy Reimer - Shaw of Canada )?
Gosh (lol) - "I wonder WHO FAILED" (not)?
APK
P.S.=> Getting BOTH Jeremy Reimer (and his pal Jay Little) kicked from his hosting provider for his website (having portions of his website removed too, AND HE ADMITTING HE IMPERSONATED ME ON HIS WEBSITE & libeled me too, + Reimer being put on a tracking ticket by Shaw for email harassing me then having law enforcement involved too (Det. Felton BC Canada)?? Priceless...)
Ash-Fox - you resorting to "eating your words" here -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41553465 (lol) and evading my questions on it, lol, & stalking me all over this forums, troll -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41541723 also?
Please... you only show us ALL you're "stalking" me as well as FAILING in your off-topic illogical ad hominem attacks that are being blown away too... easily!
... apk
Like how did your words taste, since you had to eat them -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41553465
Your answer?
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Tell WHO posted 1st in the links shown here in the next link, & who showed up "trolling" afterwards (YOU trolled & RAN 3x, & this is the 4th ) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41541723
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Did you attempt to resort to going "off-topic" here too (as you did in those 3 trollings you did my way shown above)?
YES!
Did you attempt illogical ad hominem attacks here directed MY way also, only to FAIL 3 TIMES MORE?
Yes, here they are:
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Jay Little: (who stalked me, was banned from 2 websites, & had his site removed by CrystalTech.com for libel of myself, AND, death threats PLUS blowing it badly vs. myself on Exchange Servers, which he laughingly said "I am an expert on Exchange", lol, some expert...)
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41557869
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Jeremy Reimer: (who alongside Jay Little above had portions of his website that libeled & impersonated me removed, and had his site removed from HIS hosting provider too, after email harassing me & being caught in it by both Shaw his ISP in Canada, plus Law Enforcement in a Det. Felton of BC Canada):
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41559579
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Thor Schmuck: (Who submitted an app of mine as a "malware" which I disproved by passing ALL 21 of CA's removal test questions & was lowered to ZERO threat levels (they're only 1 of 5 or so AntiVirus companies I've 'burned' on it in the past, mind you - false positives abound, & guys like Nir Sofer + Dr. Mark Russinovich of MS can tell you the same, since it's happened to them too):
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41559065
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* ALL absolutely FAILS on YOUR PART, Ash-Fox!
(Mainly since they're failed attempts @ "trolling" me via illogical ad hominem attacks, running from straight questions I asked of you & proof of them, running from disproving MY technical points 3-4x on /. in the recent past, & more...)
Ash-Fox: Don't you know that the "last resort" of DEFEATED TROLLS, every time, tends to be off-topic illogical ad hominem attacks?
They truly ARE, the sign of the "defeated troll"... lol, and you resorted to them.
APK
P.S.=> Funny lastly how I can produce PROOF of having successfully had my sourcecode bought out, after it IMPROVED an already EXCELLENT application set from SuperSpeed.com/EEC Systems, which was a finalist @ MS Tech-Ed 2000-2002 in the HARDEST CATEGORY THERE - SQLServer Performance Enhancement -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41553465
You, by way of comparison? ZERO in the way of that much... then, you *try* hiding behind some B.S. about "NDA"'s? LMAO - how're you supposed to put THAT on a resume then??
YOU said you doubted me? I doubt you... I showed that I built what I did, myself, & it improved an already GREAT set of apps too boot that are highly esteemed & sold by a certified MS partner...
... apk
" I see these posts as being very good examples of exposing your nature" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @02:06PM (#41561085) Homepage
WTF? LMAO - You're the one who came in trolling ME here, for the 4th time this past couple weeks now on this forums!Just like you did for the past few weeks shown here where you trolled off topic, couldn't disprove facts I put out or dispute the views of your fellow /.'ers -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41541723
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"Attacks? Nope, never did/attempt or otherwise any attacks against you." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @02:06PM (#41561085) Homepage
What were those links you dug I had to blow away then from Jay Little, Jeremy Reimer, & Thor Schmuck then?
They weren't ontopic, were they??
No...
So, why did you attempt to use them vs. myself then??? I can tell anyone why: The "last resort" of a defeated troll is weak failing off-topic illogical ad hominem attacks... & you resorted to that 'fabled "last resort"', lol!
(Too bad I can point to EXACTLY where those came from, predating them each/all, & disproving them? Those are 3 trolls online that I blew away, lost their websites, & are still 'sore' since they are the only ones showing it apparently!)
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"You're really paranoid." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @02:06PM (#41561085) Homepage
Not @ all, & whatever I am? It's certainly a LOT better off than you are after this (lol) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3153677&cid=41560787
You fail, badly...
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"and your inability to process the reality of the situation." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @02:06PM (#41561085) Homepage
WoW... lmao, see above & "eat your words", troll... the question you kept avoiding though is about that!
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"How much more effort to you expend into replying to "tell me more", than I spent writing that reply again?" - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @02:06PM (#41561085) Homepage
WTF? Man, talk about "pot calling a kettle black"... lol!
(You're the one who trolled ME here, and many other places recently too all shown above!)
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"Funny how you say you're willing to accept proof and then suddenly change the goal posts when I show it to you." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @02:06PM (#41561085) Homepage
I wanted to see proof, that I provided (I can put out a LOT more if you like too of things I've done, while YOU WERE STILL IN DIAPERS I'd almost wager, IF you wish...).
Proof you wrote the app you noted BY YOURSELF, and if it is a commercial product (you had no proof of this & vainly *tried*, lol, to say an "NDA" won't allow you to take credit for writing it... ha, TRY PUTTING THAT ON YOUR RESUME!)
Not from a site you own or control (I am not going to site you're merely the webmaster at instead of a coder)... do it as I did - provide proof from a website you have nothing to do with (trade mags, company sites, etc.).
You can't it seems... & I knew it!
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"I can equally produce proof if I want to, I just don't feel inclined to because of your behavior." - by Ash-Fox (726320) on Friday October 05, @02:06PM (#41561085) Homepage
Then WHERE IS IT?
(Clue/New NEWS/NewsFlash everyone -> "It AIN'T...", lmao... )
Blowhards abound, right Ash-Fox? If you're going to talk the talk, walk the walk, produce proof.
APK
P.S.=> By the way, answer the question here ->
Anyone can "SEO" a search, and funny that THEY come up "1st", eh? NOT! Lmao... 100's of others show a LOT differently though, don't they? Sure... I've done some pretty "ok" stuff in my time (& far from done yet).
Ah, in any event... it's been a pleasure CONTINUALLY "blowing you away" Ash-Fox, ala -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgI8bta-7aw&feature=related
But... it's time to "not feed the troll" (for awhile), lol, & listen to a more "upbeat" tune here -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCorJG9mubk
(The singer "does it for me" & IF the hosts file was a girl? She'd sing the first line to us all... "I get no money talk @ all"... absolutely, & more speed/bandwidth, security, reliability, & anonymity - she's my "magic friend" (per the tune, again... lol!))
APK
P.S.=> You, in turn? NEED to listen to this lady (you're a girl, right? Only a woman would keep this up & taking this logic punishment, only they can be THAT illogical, lol):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_t9AA3Z4PE
Since when you take me on, you always FAIL, badly... lol!/quote?... apk