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Alicia Keys Latest Artist To Enforce No Cell Phone Policy at Concerts (slashgear.com)

Shane McGlaun, reporting for SlashGear:It appears that artists of all sorts are getting very serious about keeping fans from using smartphones while they are at their concerts or events. The latest musician to ban cell phones at her events is Alicia Keys. Fans aren't forced to give up their smartphones at the door to be locked up in some locker or box until the show is over. Rather, fans are handed a special pouch that is locked up with their smartphone inside the fan keeps that pouch with them during the event, but they can't get to the device to call, take photos, or shoot video. If they need to use their device during the show the users can go back to the door and a worker passes a disc about the size of a bagel over the bag to unlock it and the fan can step outside to use their smartphone.

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  1. movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    now if they would just do this in movie theaters too, then I can enjoy the expensive experience!

    1. Re:movie theaters by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's an excellent idea! Without cellphones, the movie theatre experience would be much better since we'd only have to worry about people talking to each others during the movie, the noise from people munching on oversized snacks, slurping their two litres of soft drinks, the sticky floors and the fact that you can't pause the movie to go to the filthy public bathroom.

      After experiencing movies at home, on-demand and at the low cost of Netflix, you'd have to pay me to go to the theatre.

    2. Re:movie theaters by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Recently theaters have started to catch on to this. Even here in "blue laws" PA, theaters are selling beer. They are increasingly installing electric reclining seats with assigned seating. One theater even serves you decent pub-style food directly to your seat during the movie. It's not for everyone, and it sure does jack up the price - but I've started going to the theater again after a long time of avoiding it.

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    3. Re:movie theaters by nycsubway · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd really like to see this at children's plays and recitals. You ever see 100 parents pull out iPads to video their first grader at a school play? It's very hard to see... sometimes its easier to watch the play on the screen of the fool in front of me.

    4. Re:movie theaters by mlts · · Score: 1

      I've been at a local theater chain here in Austin... and there tend to be zero cellphones visible. The Alamo Drafthouse tends to wield the LART brutally in that regard, which is why they get my business.

    5. Re:movie theaters by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Depends on the theater.

      Some of the local pubs/resorts (In Oregon: McMenamin's) have theaters where you get to sit in nice-sized comfy seats, you can order-up food and booze before the show (and have them discreetly deliver it to you during the show), and the seats are built and arranged so that every jackass in the place can run their cell phone, but you'll never see it unless someone sitting next to you is playing with one. Oh, and I forgot to mention that you can only seat something like 50 people in the thing, max.

      Given the time it takes to actually drive to a movie theater (I live way out in the sticks), This is the only type of movie theater you'll ever see me in anymore.

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    6. Re:movie theaters by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      It's amazing what a slingshot can do to those things if you're particularly good at using one... ;)

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    7. Re: movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For those you that 1) don't have kids, or 2) are typical oblivious parents...
      School plays aren't movies or concerts - you go to see your kid on stage having fun doing socially creative teamwork. If you're pissy about the iPad taking video in front of you, take a pill and move over 6 inches - you'll get your turn too.

    8. Re:movie theaters by taustin · · Score: 1

      I don't think I've ever seen anyone thrown out of a movie for using a cell phone here in southern California. But I can't remember the last time I saw, or heard, a phone during the movie, either.

      I don't go to theaters that don't expect a certain level of good manners. On the other hand, there are at least 20 or 30 theaters within convenient driving distance, so there's no reason to.

    9. Re:movie theaters by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

      I really don't understand why movie theaters can't be built with a single-occupant unisex toilet and soundproof door (to keep the noise from being audible to the rest of the theater), a speaker inside simulcasting the audio track from the movie (if not one or more LCD TVs showing the movie itself, since it's all digital now anyway), and a queue area from which the screen can be viewed while waiting in line. They'd sell more mega-sized drinks, because people wouldn't have to be afraid of spending half the movie either desperately having to pee or missing 5-10 minutes running to the restroom after drinking a half-gallon of Diet Coke.

    10. Re:movie theaters by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      I really don't understand why movie theaters can't be built with a single-occupant unisex toilet and soundproof door (to keep the noise from being audible to the rest of the theater), a speaker inside simulcasting the audio track from the movie (if not one or more LCD TVs showing the movie itself, since it's all digital now anyway), and a queue area from which the screen can be viewed while waiting in line. They'd sell more mega-sized drinks, because people wouldn't have to be afraid of spending half the movie either desperately having to pee or missing 5-10 minutes running to the restroom after drinking a half-gallon of Diet Coke.

      The smell when the door opens might cause a reduction in sales.
      And honestly, people are disgusting. You'd probably walk into the single stall with a clogged toilet with shit on top of it than something you could actually use.

    11. Re:movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Recently theaters have started to catch on to this. Even here in "blue laws" PA, theaters are selling beer. They are increasingly installing electric reclining seats with assigned seating. One theater even serves you decent pub-style food directly to your seat during the movie. It's not for everyone, and it sure does jack up the price - but I've started going to the theater again after a long time of avoiding it.

      Those are pretty much the only sort of theatres I go to now, it's not any more expensive that going to a restaurant before or after the movie which is typically what we'd be doing anyway. Even if I'm not eating it's still nice to have a beer or wine during the film that a waiter brings to you when you want refills so that you don't have to risk missing anything.

    12. Re: movie theaters by Seng · · Score: 5, Funny

      Except when the entire first two rows are filled with overzealous mothers that form a roman-shield formation of iPads taking video.

    13. Re: movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      In this case, since it's illegal to shout "fire" in a crowded hall if there is no fire... First set the place on fire and then shout "fire".

    14. Re:movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1000 this. What is it with people who feel the need to buy a gallon bucket of Nachos covered in dayglow cheese then spend 2.5 hours eating them at 100dB?
      Why not just go to f***ing restaurant instead or maybe have lunch before setting off to the cinema?
      God, I'm getting old and crotchety

    15. Re: movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really don't understand why movie theaters can't be built with a single-occupant unisex toilet and soundproof door

      Semen. We don't have those because they'd be covered in semen.

    16. Re:movie theaters by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Even if I'm not eating it's still nice to have a beer or wine during the film that a waiter brings to you when you want refills so that you don't have to risk missing anything.

      That's why I just bring a flask in with me....

      ;)

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    17. Re:movie theaters by brantondaveperson · · Score: 0

      Why do people feel unable to watch a movie, and actually concentrate on what's going on, without feeling the need to eat continuously? Do not eat in the Cinema, ever. It's rude, and it's uncivilised. If you're hungry, eat beforehand. Or, even better, eat afterwards in a proper restaurant, and find yourself able to enjoy the film undistracted, and be able to talk about the film (or something else, if it turned out to be a bad film) over dinner.

      Eating in the cinema is a bad habit that people need to get out of. My kids think I'm mean for denying them popcorn - and perhaps I am - but it really isn't something that should be socially acceptable.

    18. Re: movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, best advice ever given on slashdot.

    19. Re:movie theaters by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Do not eat in the Cinema, ever. It's rude, and it's uncivilised.

      Sorry, can't agree. Have you ever noticed the outsized square footage that they give the snack bar? And they put it right at the entrance, to boot. For most of us, it's part of the experience.

      At the new places that I was talking about, they are a full-fledged restaurant and bar that also shows a movie. Not only are you expected to eat there, but it would be kind of weird to go there if you weren't going to eat or drink.

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      W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
    20. Re:movie theaters by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Yes, I've noticed it. It's how they make money. That doesn't make sitting in the dark eating food out of a bag civilised.

      A fully-fledged restaurant with movie screens, preventing you from being able to pay proper attention to either, is just as bad. Come on man, sit around a table and eat and talk - then watch a movie in relative silence (ok, laugh at the funny bits.... not something you'd want to do with food in your mouth). It seems pretty reasonable to me.

    21. Re:movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We're supposed to stop doing what we've been doing all our lives because "brantondaveperson" on the intarwebs thinks it's "uncivilized"?

      Fucking LOL.

    22. Re:movie theaters by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      Why do people feel unable to watch a movie, and actually concentrate on what's going on, without feeling the need to eat continuously? Do not eat in the Cinema, ever. It's rude, and it's uncivilised.

      I completely agree with you, but I think we're in the minority these days. I rarely go to the movies, but happened to be at one a week ago. The person next to me had a tray brought to him with, and I'm not kidding:

      huge drink
      a "personal" pizza
      couple boxes of candy
      huge popcorn
      good-sized ice cream sundae

      It was comically sad, and the noise was absurd. People say stuffing their faces with sugar water and buttered cardboard is "part of the experience" -- okay, fine. They should have special theaters set aside for those people. Stick them in with the noisy kids as well, since neither group seems all that interested in the movie.

      Unfortunately seeing as movie theaters make 85% of their profits from concessions, this will never change (and will probably just get worse). Maybe this is the single saving grace of 3D movies -- it's slightly harder to shovel crap into your mouth while wearing the glasses.

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    23. Re:movie theaters by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Oh god, get over yourself.. While I'm no fan of today's overly indulgent parenting, insufferable snobs like you are the opposite end of the spectrum and just as bad. Hell, they're probably what today's society is now overcompensating for.

      Using your logic, I could make a better claim against eating and talking.. It's uncivilized to talk with your mouth full, after all, as no one wants to see what the food looks like after it's been chewed.

    24. Re:movie theaters by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Come on man, sit around a table and eat and talk

      Yes, we do that the other 29 or 30 nights of the month. The dinner/movie thing is the exception. One can vary a routine from time to time.

      It seems pretty reasonable to me.

      Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. What seems reasonable to you seems overly stuffy and rigid to me. Part of depends on the movie - there isn't much in a comic book movie that demands great attention. Schindler's List doesn't make me overly hungry :)

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    25. Re:movie theaters by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      Not civilized, but does lower the ticket price a little for those of us who refuse to pay $$$ for lousy food.

    26. Re:movie theaters by mea_culpa · · Score: 1

      Like you said it is part of the experience. It has always been like this since I can remember from the 70's, and I'm sure it's been that way long before then too.
      What you are expecting is a home theatre experience in a public theatre. With that kind of expectation you are always going to find disappointment especially on opening weekends.

      Probably best to stick to home theatre, or wait a bit until the crowds have died down a bit.

      But I feel your pain. Some movies I want less distraction like Interstellar, Gravity, etc. I've found IMAX (not lieMAX) to be a better venue as the concessions stands are smaller and not the primary source of income. The ticket prices are higher so parents are less likely to bring a bunch of little kids, rowdy teens probably don't care enough for the higher quality or can't afford it, etc.Not always but generally speaking.

    27. Re: movie theaters by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      I really don't understand why movie theaters can't be built with a single-occupant unisex toilet and soundproof door

      Semen. We don't have those because they'd be covered in semen.

      Well, if you insist on going to those sorts of movie theatres...

    28. Re: movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that you peewee?

    29. Re:movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeez, dude, why don't they just build a drainage tube into the seats that you can stick down your pants and attach to your privates so you don't even have to leave your seat and miss one second of the latest movie remake of a comic book.

    30. Re: movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you could say, "Excuse me, I can't see. Could you please move a bit."

      "We are living in a society!" - George Kastanza

    31. Re:movie theaters by Gussington · · Score: 1

      My kids' school has a no camera/phone/tablet policy at all performances. No-one has died of a medical emergency so far.

    32. Re: movie theaters by Gussington · · Score: 1

      form a roman-shield formation

      The word you are looking for is phalanx.

    33. Re: movie theaters by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      Where is this magical place where food is brought to me? Please say it is near Pittsburgh.

    34. Re: movie theaters by TimMD909 · · Score: 1

      You must be German. They always have a final solution to what irks them. (Joke stolen from/inspired by Stephen Lynch's song Little Tiny Mustache.)

    35. Re: movie theaters by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Ha! No such luck - I'm in Philly. The brand around here is "Movie Tavern". They are popping up all over - we are lucky enough to have one within about 15 minutes.

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    36. Re: movie theaters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If we are being pedantic about it, actually, the word he is looking for is "testudo." But thanks for playing.

    37. Re:movie theaters by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Haha. Nice to know I'm just as bad. You scoff your popcorn, I'm not going to stop you. But yes, why not be strict about such things? Eat dinner at the table, never in front of the television. Avoid stuffing your face in the cinema. Be polite. Put your knife and fork together after a meal. You're a human being, and are capable of good manners, and will be thought of better generally if you can stick to them.

      I'm not using logic to back up good manners, since they're clearly social constructs that differ from one society to the next. In some places, I assume, wearing one's shoes inside is considered the height of disrespect. Obviously, actually taking with a mouthful of food is fairly impolite, but normally when eating a meal one does not spent the entire time chewing. There are occasional breaks for breath, during which some conversation might occur.

      Recently I hapenned to be in a theatre, and the family next to ours had brought with them enough food to spend the entire time eating. The. Entire. Time. Constant intake of food. That they were also fairly obese isn't material, and could be coincidence, but good lord they made alot of noise over it. Are you really so hungry that you can't fast for a couple of hours during a movie?

    38. Re:movie theaters by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      They'd sell more mega-sized drinks, because people wouldn't have to be afraid of spending half the movie either desperately having to pee or missing 5-10 minutes running to the restroom after drinking a half-gallon of Diet Coke.

      Drink drink.

      Put bucket under seat.

      When bladder full, piss in bucket.

      Simples.

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    39. Re:movie theaters by tigersha · · Score: 1

      Christ, don't go there. Here in Germany when the first year of school starts all the kids from town go on a stage to be greeted by the teacher and blessed by the local religious figure. It is an old and ancient tradition, called einschulung. I could not see my daughter cause of all the frikking parents crowding the stage with their cellphones to film THEIR little honeys. The rest of the parents, grandmas, grandpas and friends in the hall had nothing except the asses of cellphone-wielding parents.

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    40. Re: movie theaters by tigersha · · Score: 1

      That they are going to watch once in their lives because the sound and quality is so bad.

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  2. So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless someone, somehow, manages to reverse-engineer the disc-bagel (cough-magnet-cough)

    1. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The constitution doesn't grant you a right to use your cell phone and be an annoying dickhole (thank god). You agree to pay to see a performer, and part of that agreement is their requirements for you to attend. If you don't like that agreement, don't attend.

    2. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Dunbal · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The constitution doesn't grant you a right to use your cell phone

      You're right. You know why? Because governments cannot grant rights. You are born with the right to absolutely anything you can imagine. The only thing any law can do is TAKE RIGHTS AWAY. The constitution doesn't have you grant you any right.

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    3. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This type of information should be made clear before the purchase is made.

      Who says it's not being made clear? Every time I've bought tickets in the last ~10 years it's mentioned during the purchase process that smoking, weapons, and outside food/beverages are not allowed in the venues. It's not a big challenge to add cellphones to that list if the event forbids them.

    4. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by rudy_wayne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd simply refuse to enter and request compensation (full purchase refund, parking expenses). If not, take the ticket merchant or responsible venue coordinatator to court and also request compensation for lost personal time. This type of information should be made clear before the purchase is made.

      I've grown tired of organizations and individuals encroaching on what I consider others' basic rights for their own personal interests. If you're a live performer, cell phones are not hurting your business.

      And it's exactly because of assholes like you that going anywhere, movie, concert, etc., had become unbearable. Fuck you and your fucking phone.

    5. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by geekmux · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'd simply refuse to enter and request compensation (full purchase refund, parking expenses). If not, take the ticket merchant or responsible venue coordinatator to court and also request compensation for lost personal time. This type of information should be made clear before the purchase is made.

      And it likely WILL be. Common sense dictates you read the fine print if you find yourself and your "rights" being violated here. Don't like it? Don't attend the concert. We won't miss you. Refuse to play by the rules? The door swings both ways. Bye.

      I've grown tired of organizations and individuals encroaching on what I consider others' basic rights for their own personal interests. If you're a live performer, cell phones are not hurting your business.

      How about you encroaching on my basic right to enjoy a concert without having to see or hear cell phone addicts all trying to capture their version of what should be an evening enjoyed by humans instead of machines? I'd say my basic right during those two hours trumps the shit out of yours. You pay for a ticket and attend a concert for YOU the human to see and hear the artist, not to record a damn documentary of your evening.

      Needless to say, I've grown tired of this basic rights bullshit argument, especially when it mainly exists to feed people's narcissistic addictions to social media. And cell phones are not mandated by fire departments and emergency responders, so you can drop the bullshit 911 argument too.

    6. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by XXongo · · Score: 1

      I'd simply refuse to enter and request compensation (full purchase refund, parking expenses). If not, take the ticket merchant or responsible venue coordinatator to court and also request compensation for lost personal time.

      Why? Because your hobby is frivolous lawsuits that you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning?

      Their concert venue; their rules.

    7. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting perspective. I have the purely opposite view, that nobody inherently has any rights at all, and that the onus lies on each individual to fight for a decent life for themselves and the people they care for.

      I think my view reflects the reality of the world more accurately than yours.

    8. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by davidwr · · Score: 1

      and part of that agreement is their requirements for you to attend.

      That was the person's point: If it's NOT part of the agreement or otherwise stated clearly up-front, then he will request a refund and sue if necessary.

      Unless the performer doesn't have good lawyers or the venue is in a location with anti-consumer laws, you can bet that he (or she) will be on the hook for the face value of the ticket (or less if the ticket was sold at a discount). As for other costs like parking, etc., that's going to depend on how consumer-friendly the applicable laws are.

      As a practical matter, most business people (and big-time entertainment IS a business) know that it's far cheaper in PR terms to say "you [the customer] are right, what can we do to make you whole and cover your inconvenience" for a legitimate complaint than it is to dig in their heels. On the other hand, if it looks like people are abusing the system or demanding more than is reasonable and fair (e.g. an obviously-greedy customer demanding a refund, a refund for parking and transportation, and "payment for his time" at $100/hour for driving to a $40 concert he decided not to attend because he wanted to have his cell phone accessible at all times), then offering reasonable-and-fair compensation but digging in your heels for everything over that might be the financially prudent thing to do,

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    9. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by DoomedPhil · · Score: 1

      Sorry to break in a good argument, but while your view may well be more accurate the parent post was saying that the constitution does not grant rights but does recognize rights already in existence. The constitution used to be something the United States was operating under but it was so long ago I wouldn't expect too many people to remember what it said.

    10. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thankfully the world has not descended into your might makes right anarchic power struggle for basic survival and has been generally headed the opposite direction since the dawn of human history.

      your college dorm lounge philosophy, if enacted for real, would leave you dead on the street in a matter of hours. you have no right to life if someone bigger or better armed wants to kill you in your psycho little world of no rights.

    11. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I went to a King Crimson concert last year where the band requested cell phones remain firmly in pockets, and where they gave an opportunity for people to take pictures. Their justification is that flash cameras and lots of blinking lights in the audience are distracting, and since they and the venue have the right to determine audience behavior, it wasn't much of a debate. And you know what, it was a great show, one of the best I've been to, and in no small part because selfish jerks like yourself were either not present, or shamed into keeping their phones in their pockets.

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    12. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      You are correct, but the law does prevent people from blocking the use of cell phones. I think that unless it was made clear prior to the purchase of the ticket that you were forbidden the use of a cell phone you ARE due a refund. What if an emergency situation arises inside the venue, like it catches fire, or someone gets really sick of Alicia Keyes crappy music and goes into cardiac arrest, or your kid gets hit by a car and the hospital calls you ? If they want to stop people from taking pictures or videos of a second rate performance so be it, forbid those actions and escort violators outside.

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    13. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      You are born with the right to absolutely anything you can imagine.

      So everyone here has the right to take turns shoving a glowing hot fire poker up your ass? Awesome! Please post your address and we'll all be right over.

    14. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      So everyone here has the right to take turns shoving a glowing hot fire poker up your ass?

      No, because there are specific laws against that, moron. However if there were no laws against torture and inflicting harm on people, then yes.

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      Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    15. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's because of old codgers like you that society progresses so slowly. Everything should always stay the way it has been.

    16. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      And yet you said "You are born with the right to absolutely anything you can imagine" in the post I responded to. What's the matter? Not feeling so comfortable with that statement now?

      The fact is that you aren't born with the right to anything you can imagine. In simplest terms, your rights end where another person's rights begin. If you don't believe that, I have a fire poker for you.

    17. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Etcetera · · Score: 2

      The constitution doesn't grant you a right to use your cell phone

      You're right. You know why? Because governments cannot grant rights. You are born with the right to absolutely anything you can imagine. The only thing any law can do is TAKE RIGHTS AWAY. The constitution doesn't have you grant you any right.

      You're correct, but you have neither a civil right nor a Lockean or Hobbesian right to trespass on private property. If you're invited in, your invite can be revoked for any and all reasons not otherwise contrary to civil law relating to discrimination against Protected Classes in public establishments. "Cell phone user" is not one of those, so the owner of the hall is free to kick your ass out.

      You have no liberty right on private property.

    18. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I kidnapped you and locked you in my basement, I could drive a red hot poker into your ass whenever I felt like it. I could continue this barbaric practice until I tired of it or until someone stronger than I defeats me. The owner of property is the one who can keep it. You may tell me that you aren't my property and that you have a right to a happy life of non torture, but yet here you are, in my basement beta testing my new molten iron butt plug. 49 people were killed in Orlando. They had a right to live and a right to express themselves as they saw fit. Where are they now? They only have the rights that they can defend. They subbed that job out to a third party and that backfired. Keep on with your philosophical ramblings. The real world will laugh at you as it eats you. Welcome to the jungle, baby!

    19. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Concerts were much more exciting before all the regulations....

    20. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by bws111 · · Score: 1

      No, the law does not prevent people from blocking the use of cell phones. It prevents people from interfering with SIGNALS from cell phones.

    21. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "And it likely WILL be"

      Future tense?

      "How about you encroaching on my basic right to enjoy a con..."

      Where do you get that he 's encroaching on your 'right'

    22. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      thankfully the world has not descended into your might makes right anarchic power struggle for basic survival and has been generally headed the opposite direction since the dawn of human history

      You're either living under a rock, in a cave, or haven't been paying attention lately.

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    23. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "Why?"

      For reasons you didn't mention of course

      "Their concert venue; their rules"

      To a degree, on certain issues, yes, but no more

    24. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an old codger myself, I couldn't agree more. It's a constant struggle to rein in my grumpiness and keep an open mind. Most, like the person you're pointing out, don't even bother to try.

    25. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tired of the bullshit basic rights argument yet using those very words, predicated your entire argument on them. How did I already know you're an ultra conservative fundamentalist christian republican?

    26. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The complaint is that your 'agreement' with the performer isn't clearly defined and the performer seems to be adding more and more clauses while the attendee is losing existing rights. Having a cell phone at a concert hardly defaults someone as "... an annoying dick hole."

    27. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      It's useless to argue with someone who can't read.

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    28. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hardly think having my cell on me and occasionally glancing/texting at the screen near my hip for communication purposes--even shielding the screen, disturbs you during a live show with live music, flashing lights, thousands of people screaming/singing/yelling, laser lights shooting everywhere, babies crying, people fighting/vomiting/consuming drugs...

      Such artists and or their representation are concerned about shitty performances being recorded with shitty quality video and people realizing how shitty they are at live performances--then not buying tickets. It's about said artists image control and ego. I will not play part in their childish and manipulative shenanigans by inconveniencing me and locking my phone up. They will lose all my future ticket purchases.

      These type of "artists" aren't concerned about *your* viewing experience. They're concerned about their revenue stream. It's a business, they want more money, your experience be damned.

    29. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by geekmux · · Score: 2

      "And it likely WILL be"

      Future tense?

      The more I think about it, perhaps not. Likely weeks before the artist made this venue policy, lawyers were drafting the fine print. They are much more wise to any arguments by the average layman, and saw this shit coming a mile away.

      "How about you encroaching on my basic right to enjoy a con..."

      Where do you get that he 's encroaching on your 'right'

      I paid a considerable amount of money to enjoy a concert, not try and enjoy a performer while dozens of cell phone screens around me blink, beep, and flash photos and videos throughout the entire performance.

      In this sense, you are correct. It's not a "right" per se for either argument. In this sense, I was regurgitating the ridiculous argument brought forth by the parent, and it's rather childish to use the "he/she started it" argument, so I'll just concede and say I was wrong in perpetuating it.

      Either way, the argument is pathetic, and my statement still stands. You don't NEED a fucking cell phone to attend a concert. If you feel you MUST, then don't fucking attend concerts. Stay home and save your money. You're certainly not taking advantage of a LIVE performance and venue when your eyes are staring at a cell phone screen all night.

      And yes, I'm well aware I'm a dying breed of humans who remember a life before cell phones and the internet. A life that still enjoyed some semblance of privacy. This generation cares more about "free", so our future is rather fucked.

    30. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      I don't understand even going to concerts these days. 99% of the time the artists is lip synching so they don't disappoint the fans with a performance that can't match the totally unrealistic material they get out of recording studio's these days. I don't see much point in a "concert" where all they are doing is playing the same version you can buy on CD.

    31. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of libertarian crap is that? Rights are a social construct. They are roughly made by people agreeing that some things are good ideas. Sometimes that is done by writing them down in constitutions. The state of nature is not one of rights and obligations.

    32. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      What if an emergency situation arises inside the venue, like it catches fire, or someone gets really sick of Alicia Keyes crappy music and goes into cardiac arrest, or your kid gets hit by a car and the hospital calls you ?

      You know, cell phones haven't been that ubiquitous for that long.

      It wasn't that many years ago...we went to concerts with *GASP* No cell phones at all!! No one owned them.

      We all survived just fine.

      I'm gonna throw you a REAL curve ball here..but a LOT of us around that are maybe middle aged, grew up and children with no such thing as a cell phone, no helicopter parents....nothing around but land lines in each home. And yet, somehow we managed to survive.

      In many ways....it was nicer without fucking smart phones and their cameras everywhere back then. I love my smart phone, but there are times I wish they'd all be turned off for a week or so at a time.

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    33. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like in all those EULAs and ToS you probably click through and agree to daily. Arbitrary stipulations are all made so clear and not burried tomes of legalese work that every functioning person has time to actually read and interpret.

      It's implied that no one reads all of the details because there are certain expectations people have, social contracts if you will. Most modern legal documents you agree to/sign waive so many rights it's a bit scary. The bulk of the population doesn't care what rights they waive and that makes people who do care either cornered into agreeing with these stipulations or being unable to utilize the private service offered.

      Legal teams know the incidents where their client exercise extreme measures of their agreements are limited enough to where most consumers won't be made aware of what's going on, until something silly effects them. Then when it's you as an individual with limited resources getting boned over something silly, there's very little you can do. The modern death of class action lawsuits by agreeing to a third party arbitrary is a great example that's pretty much standard in every agreement I see any more.

      What really surprises me is how well these groups have trained the bulk of the population to take their side. "Oh good, this new change is to help me!" No, the new change is to help them, they're marketing it as a new feature for you so you'll champion their side.

      Oh well, this is the future.

    34. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A phone isn't a right you little weasel.

    35. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "This generation cares more about "free" "

      There's are a lot of attitudes and behaviors you need to embed yourself in to access that kind of free, and it probably happens unconsciously for most people. So yeah, if I follow what you mean it's "free" not free.

    36. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently not any more!

      http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/supreme-court-says-police-may-use-evidence-found-after-illegal-stops.html

    37. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      We all survived just fine.

      Except those people who died because they were unable to call for help, for instance. Cellphone technology is great - one day it'll seem weird to call a person's house, instead of calling a person. Well, it already does seem kinda weird. Phones tied to the wall are a bit rude too, you can't normally turn them off, or put them on silent, and people often feel obligated to answer even if they're in the middle of something else. Cellphones, on the other hand, give you alot more control over your availability. This is a good thing in all respects.

      And Alicia Keyes is being far too precious about her not very remarkable music.

    38. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      The law is really irrelevant, aside from acquiring strength through numbers. All your "rights" depend on the self restraint of those with the ability to violate them, regardless what the contract says. The philosophizing is a nice way to spend the day at the pub, but from every angle, in this universe might still makes right.

      As far as cell phones are concerned, the artists are only hurting themselves, but their contract might also demand it. Personally, I think they should be allowed, at least to film something interesting that might pop up somewhere offstage. Besides, if we can't have our phones, we'll find another way. Big Brother, Little Brother, everybody is watching. Nobody gets the advantage. That's how to protect your rights

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    39. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Good luck with that. I strongly suggest you actually read all that shit behind the checkbox signifying you've read it (but never do.) You will lose instantly in court (assuming any court will even bother with your BS) and you'll be out the tickets and 100x their cost in lawyers fees.

    40. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Except those people who died because they were unable to call for help, for instance."

      They've been more than made up for with people who died because someone using their phone wasn't paying attention while doing something else, like driving.

    41. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by StillAnonymous · · Score: 1

      As you get older, you'll start seeing the aspects of society that have actually regressed while being called "progress". Usually it involves your rights being stripped away or trampled on by government, big business, and people who would call themselves your fellow citizens if it weren't so obvious they were trying to be your master.

      Yes, you too will pine for the Good Old Days.

    42. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, no. That's dependent on the property owner's expectations, within the bounds of law. Since using a cellphone is a lawful act, and, typically, the entertainer does not own the venue, he does not have the right to demand anything..

    43. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are both right. The constitution does not grant or deny rights to citizens. It's supposed to stipulate what the state may or may not do. Your statement fits quite nicely with the whole "pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness" bit in the declaration of independence. Neither document guarantees anything, they are attempts at ensuring all citizens retain the opportunity to try.

    44. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

      Better yet. If somebody violates their request. They should stop their set. Peer pressure of other attending the concert will stop the unwanted behavior.

    45. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show me the law specific to shoving a firepoker in your ass.

    46. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      True, I was referring to the use of a technical means, but you are correct. A restaurant, theatre or really any private business has the right to set the rules and enforce them by asking people to leave, I just think that possible need for emergency use should outweigh a silly solution like the sealed bag idea the article provided. Just patrol and toss out those that violate the rules.

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    47. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Archfeld · · Score: 1

      I am old enough to remember the time when you did not even own your home phone but leased them all from Ma Bell, and a pay phone call cost $.10. That doesn't mean it was better. The town I was born in had a shared phone exchange and lines, you had to use an operator to assist you in dialing any number outside the local exchange. There was a time when people died regularly from simple infections, and TB crippled lots of people, it sucked then. The good old days really weren't all that golden. I do totally agree with you though on one point, smart phones seem to be making dumb people, but I still carry a dumb flip phone and don't text.

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    48. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by geekmux · · Score: 1

      "This generation cares more about "free" "

      There's are a lot of attitudes and behaviors you need to embed yourself in to access that kind of free, and it probably happens unconsciously for most people. So yeah, if I follow what you mean it's "free" not free.

      Yes, you are correct. It does happen unconsciously for most people these days, as no one reads or cares about a EULA, or is concerned that some social media app "needs" access to your microphone, camera, GPS, and contacts in order for the user to post glorified text messages.

      To personify this for a moment, Free has brainwashed the masses. Privacy was brought to the city square and beheaded. And Freedom is now under constant surveillance, treated like a criminal. All former definitions have been mutilated.

    49. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dont expect the landline to go away any time soon. I have zero cell signal here at my house.

    50. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last 5 concerts I went to the artist posed for cameras and had lights on phones light up the venue (as opposed to open flame lighters).

    51. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My point was that "rights" are an unnaturally constructed illusion, i.e. there are no rights already in existence.

    52. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're truly able to convince yourself of that view, that's some impressive cognitive dissonance.
       
      Might-makes-right has always been the overwhelmingly ubiquitous natural law of the land, from the first life forms through the modern day.
       
        And thanks for the compliment about being college-aged, seeing as I'm 41 years old with decades in the workforce (which perhaps informs my typical-oldster experience-based cynicism a bit more than your naive bleeding-heart outlook).

    53. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by torkus · · Score: 1

      So your version of enjoy vs. other's version of enjoy. Sorry, I forgot that your preferences trump others just because they're based on an older way of doing things.

      Yeah, a sea of cell phone screens is a nusiance at times...but the same argument can be made for people standing, singing along, jumping around, dancing, eating, etc. I think it's comical that performers think cell phone video, even actual camcorder video, from someone in the crowd is going to replace attending a concert. It's about the same as people who watch bootleg DVDs of some just-released movie. They wouldn't have paid to see it in the theatre anyway...but they tell their friends how great it is and some of those invariable DO go see it.

      Don't worry...I'll get off your lawn too.

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      You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
    54. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by torkus · · Score: 1

      If something is 'free' for you, then you're likely the product. Facebook/google/etc. - your preferences and habits and eyeballs are sold to advertizers. ladies night at bars...yeah the ladies are the product being sold to men willing to come and buy lots of drinks (including for the ladies who otherwise drink for free which i find comical) and the list goes on.

      EULA's are comical, ridiculous, and one of these days need to be banned or at least severely curtailed. A ~20+ page 'agreement' which is effectively impossible to understand without a law degree that changes on a whim even for a minor service...it completely ridiculous and abusive.

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    55. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by geekmux · · Score: 1

      So your version of enjoy vs. other's version of enjoy. Sorry, I forgot that your preferences trump others just because they're based on an older way of doing things.

      Paying money to walk into a building to see a LIVE performer in front of your eyes and then spending 90% of that evening doing nothing but staring at a cell phone screen is not merely a "new way of doing things". It makes no sense whatsoever. That's not me being old-fashioned. It's me pointing out the utter stupidity of paying all that money to GO see a LIVE performance and then ignoring the fuck out of it.

      Yeah, a sea of cell phone screens is a nusiance at times...but the same argument can be made for people standing, singing along, jumping around, dancing, eating, etc.

      Very true, which is also why mosh pits are NOT the most popular form of concert support on the planet. Your eyes and ears are still the dominant senses at a concert, which even the performer would agree with, since their message is conveyed across those senses. If I wanted to stare at the back of someone's head while listening to music, I can put in headphones and go find a line/queue to stand in for a while for a hell of a lot cheaper.

      I think it's comical that performers think cell phone video, even actual camcorder video, from someone in the crowd is going to replace attending a concert. It's about the same as people who watch bootleg DVDs of some just-released movie. They wouldn't have paid to see it in the theatre anyway...but they tell their friends how great it is and some of those invariable DO go see it.

      Don't worry...I'll get off your lawn too.

      It doesn't replace attending a concert. What it does do is prevent people who ARE willing to pay good money to enjoy a performance from attending again, due to the utter stupidity. Imagine if a mosh pit broke out during an Adele concert. And the performer nor the security staff did a damn thing about it. Now imagine if that happened at the next dozen venues. You really think her current fan base would continue attending? No way in hell. This is about preserving the experience for those who wish to enjoy a performance in a sensible manner. Asking or demanding cell phones to be turned off is another way of asking for that sensibility. Again, you're there to see the performer and the performance, not feed your social media narcissism or record a bootleg for YouTube.

      Chaos vs. Common Sense. We now know which lawn this performer happens to prefer.

    56. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      I'd have to say GrumpySteen has a better point than you do. He seems to be reading just fine. The problem is you aren't comprehending the holes he's poking in your statements.

    57. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Toshito · · Score: 1

      I'd simply refuse to enter

      One less fucking moron with a phone on this show

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    58. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't like it? Don't attend the concert. We won't miss you. Refuse to play by the rules? The door swings both ways. Bye.

      It's so cute you think you're in the majority. You aren't. Just like all the other stupid, worthless shit some musicians have tried to "combat piracy" this is a nothing blip that will soon go away as concert attendance falls. I don't even use my phones at times like that but no one is going to keep me from using it if I want at an entertainment venue. It's not all obtrusive. Maybe I want to check my bank or see if something is worth buying. Or maybe I just want to make a note to myself. Holding up your phone like a dumb ass is not the only thing to do with a phone at a concert much the same way THIS is the wrong way to handle the problem. Tickets are way to expensive for an artist to dictate what I can do with my personal property. If it came down to it, I just wouldn't go. Let them kill their career if they want. But more practically, if it was someone I really wanted to see, I'd just cut the bag open and throw it away.

    59. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one NEEDS to go to a concert, including you. And what I do, provided it doesn't effect you (which it doesn't), is absolutely none of you fucking business nor do you have anything even REMOTELY resembling the right to tell me what to do. Don't want a phone in front of you? Get front row seats. Too expensive? Get better at life or don't go. All your privacy, this generation, don't need it, get of my lawn bullshit is no different than anything I just said. You certainly aren't any better than me or more entitled to ANYTHING, though you seem to think you are. If you want to lock your phone in a bag, go for it. Welcome to the new world. You clearly don't belong here. It's going to be a rough rest of your life.

    60. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are you to determine whether it is hurting their business or not? It's *their* business.

    61. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      For what issues isn't it "their venue, their rules"? They can't deny you access to the event on grounds of race, sex, religion, and other cases of belonging to a protected class. They can't do or require illegal things. Other than that, they've pretty much got carte blanche. If you don't like the rules, don't go. You have no legal right to attend a concert on your own terms. You have no legal right to collect a refund because you misunderstood the rules.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    62. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Because he is taking half of what I said out of context. There are clear laws against the example he is using, and I cited quite plainly that law has the power to take rights away. You don't get to take only half of someone's argument then try to use it against them.

      You are born with the right to absolutely anything you can imagine. The only thing any law can do is TAKE RIGHTS AWAY.

      You see that part in bold? Yeah. That's the part he's intentionally not reading. Hence my remark about not bothering to argue with people who can't read. You can't say I approve with people shoving hot pokers into people's asses as an "OK" thing when shoving pokers into people's asses (without their consent) is pretty clearly AGAINST THE LAW in most of the world.

      But hey if you're the kind of guy who reads a recipe for a cake, stops reading where it says "break 3 eggs", and then sues the recipe book company because your cakes look a lot like eggs instead of cake, well...

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    63. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "They can't do or require illegal things."

      Agreed

    64. Re: So no more crappy cell phone videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "99% of the time the artists is lip synching"

      Go to smaller concerts.

  3. This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    What if there's an emergency?

    1. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then the venue has a fully staffed security crew, which is specifically trained for it. These guys are strict when it comes to venues packed with people. If your phone rings and there's an emergency somewhere else then you are free to leave the venue to take the call, something which during most music shows wouldn't be possible due to the volume anyway.

    2. Re:This seems dangerous by Salgak1 · · Score: 2

      Doing a quick check for venue and stadium security jobs, the primary qualifications are (1) High School Graduate, and (2) No criminal record for 7 years. Being bilingual is nice.

      I rather doubt that most venue security types are "specifically trained for it". In my experience, they've been bouncer types, but your mileage may vary. . .

    3. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Then the venue has a fully staffed security crew

      Heh heh heh

      which is specifically trained

      HAHAHAH Stop it, stop it you're killing me here!

      These guys are strict

      OMFG I think I'm going to die laughing right now, have you ever BEEN to a concert?

    4. Re:This seems dangerous by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But if your phone is in a bag, how can you know if it's an emergency or not?

    5. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, in fact an Alicia Keys one. Have you ever been to one of hers? Because that's what we're talking about here.

    6. Re:This seems dangerous by harperska · · Score: 1

      Sure, because there is no such thing as on-site training for procedures specific to a particular event but not yet standard in the industry as a whole, that security might possibly receive after being hired...

    7. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They have as much if not more training to dial the phone and call other emergency services

    8. Re:This seems dangerous by halivar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Somehow, before the age of cellphones, we did ok. I don't know how, but we survived.

    9. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Doing a quick check for venue and stadium security jobs, the primary qualifications are (1) High School Graduate, and (2) No criminal record for 7 years. Being bilingual is nice.

      I rather doubt that most venue security types are "specifically trained for it". In my experience, they've been bouncer types, but your mileage may vary. . .

      I wonder how the public discussion with the Orlando shooting would play out if the club had a policy like this?

    10. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And before the age of cellphones, your father died of a stroke in the hospital while you were still at a concert.

    11. Re:This seems dangerous by ScentCone · · Score: 3, Funny

      But if your phone is in a bag, how can you know if it's an emergency or not?

      Apple Watch.

      Or, are these actual Faraday bags, not just can't-get-to-the-device-access-control-bags?

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    12. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you mean like a (non-religiously-affiliated, since the Regime told us there's nothing to worry about even after redacting the transcript of his phone call(s)) person shooting-up a place and you just wanna facebook and twitter all about it to your friends (like idiots did in florida)?

    13. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And what precisely would you be able to do if your father was dying of a stroke while you were in a venue, particularly a stadium? Teleport to his side?

      Face it, just because it is possible to be in phone contact during an emergency doesn't really mean that you have to be or that it will even help.

    14. Re:This seems dangerous by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      60,000 people calling 911 at once is probably not the best way to handle an emergency anyway.

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    15. Re:This seems dangerous by bws111 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They are specifically trained. Not to do anything medical, but to get on their radios and say 'medical emergency in section 123'. Then, as if by magic, the ON SITE EMS team shows up and deals with it.

    16. Re:This seems dangerous by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      You'd be surprised... I mean, lifeguards (those that work at the community pool) do not make much but are trained in life saving techniques.

      Most event staff probably have training on the defibrillator machines (they aren't that hard to use) and I imagine most of these venues have medics on site during large events.

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      "Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
    17. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if there's an emergency?

      You'll live.

      Going 2 hours without looking at your Facebook feed or some other iPhone function isn't fatal.

      No, it's not.

    18. Re:This seems dangerous by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

      They don't block cell phone signals, the founder of Yonder is quoted as saying:

      "They have the phone in their pocket, but it's locked so if the phone vibrates they can step outside to text or call," Dugoni tells us.

      I suppose if the ban is just on cellphones you are free to use an iPod touch or other non-phone device, possibly tethered to your bagged phone. Or an Apple watch could be used to text. Or more likely if you start waving any shiny rectangular object above your head security is just going to toss you out without concern whether it is a phone or a cigarette case.,

      "Dugoni says the pouch serves two purposes. The artist can try out new material without worrying about it being leaked."

      It won't stop people from secretly recording and leaking songs. There are plenty of available recording devices that can be easily concealed and a neoprene pouch can be easily cut or the unlocking mechanism compromised. But as a device for raising awareness that the artist doesn't care for people waving phones around, it probably does a fine job.

    19. Re:This seems dangerous by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      I guess people will have to survive just like those dark times before cell phones were invented.

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      Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
    20. Re:This seems dangerous by Desler · · Score: 2

      On-the-job training is something you've never heard of?

    21. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not all or nothing. With a cellphone at least you have a chance to go to the hospital before the end.

    22. Re:This seems dangerous by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      If I learned anything from watching James Bond movies, it's that almost anything can be a camera or a phone. Including a fake eye.

    23. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder how well these bags hold up to a pair of scissors or a pocket knife.

    24. Re:This seems dangerous by MitchDev · · Score: 1

      Sort of like TSA agents, but without the IQ ceiling?

    25. Re:This seems dangerous by hawguy · · Score: 2, Funny

      But if your phone is in a bag, how can you know if it's an emergency or not?

      Duh, you just look at your iWatch to see who is calling. What idiot would have a smartphone without a smartwatch?

    26. Re:This seems dangerous by twotacocombo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I guess people will have to survive just like those dark times before cell phones were invented.

      Well, technically, the majority of people who lived before cell phones were invented have not survived at all.

    27. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      8:00PM Your father is home.
      8:00PM You go to the concert/theater/whatever.
      8:20PM Your father starts feeling bad and goes to the hospital.
      10:20PM Your father, while still in the hospital, has a stroke and dies.

      All this time, someone could have contacted you. You would have had a chance to go to the hospital to at least say goodbye. But because of your sarcastic and limited way of thinking, he died alone. Way to go, inconsiderate son.

    28. Re:This seems dangerous by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Watch out! He's got scissors or a pocket knife!

    29. Re:This seems dangerous by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I don't know what kind of concerts you go to, but the big ticket concerts I go to either mean I have to park a half mile away from the venue, or just as often catch a cab to the venue. Often these concerts are also out of town, so even if I could respond to the call right away, I'm hours away from being at an ailing relative's side. In a lot of cases with arenas and stadiums, just getting out of the venue takes time, particularly with thousands of people to wade through.

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      The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
    30. Re:This seems dangerous by Golden_Rider · · Score: 1

      If you have to be available via phone for your job (e.g. on-call duty) or if you are expecting an important phone call, don't go to a concert or movie or any other place where you would not be able to access your phone without annoying others. Simple as that. Once every five to six weeks, I have a week of on-call duty for our IT department, and it is not that hard to plan ahead and NOT go to a concert or to the cinema or to a fine restaurant where people would consider it rude to answer the phone during that week.

    31. Re:This seems dangerous by taustin · · Score: 1

      It only takes one out of the entire staff to know to call 911 in an emergency. Any kind of disruption, most bands will stop the show until they know it's been taken care of anyway.

      It's not rocket scientists. Most fifth graders can handle calling 911 when the shit hits the fan.

    32. Re:This seems dangerous by operagost · · Score: 1

      And what precisely would you be able to do if your father was dying of a stroke while you were in a venue, particularly a stadium? Teleport to his side?

      Usually, one places one foot in front of the other until one has left the facility. At that point, one enters some sort of conveyance and directs it to the facility where one's relative is currently located.

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    33. Re:This seems dangerous by Holi · · Score: 1

      The stadium is general admission and is crowded, your partner collapses next to you. How do you get the attention of this trained staff?

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    34. Re:This seems dangerous by Holi · · Score: 1

      Society has changed. People expect them to be there, even the concert staff.

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    35. Re:This seems dangerous by Holi · · Score: 2

      And in the age of cellphones, he died while you were at the concert too, but now it actually ruins the show.

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    36. Re:This seems dangerous by Holi · · Score: 1

      the financially responsible idiot.

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    37. Re:This seems dangerous by Holi · · Score: 1

      A ban on that type of policy.
      We do love our reactionary bans, regardless of whether they are effective or not.

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    38. Re:This seems dangerous by Holi · · Score: 1

      SO now instead of calling 911, who will get the on site EMS to you as quickly, you have to track down an employee of the venue (probably not a concession employee either) and get them to call it in. That takes time.

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    39. Re:This seems dangerous by Holi · · Score: 1

      I do not want to be someones training dummy when it comes to CPR.

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    40. Re:This seems dangerous by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      "Because that's what we're talking about here."

      The GP said otherwise

    41. Re: This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all, nor even most of us, live in Buttfuck, Egypt. You country folks always want accommodations for you, but never want to make any for someone else. Damned hypocrites.

    42. Re: This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't survive. The problem with rose colored glasses, grandpa, is that they distort the picture and apparently cause amnesia. You forget the "I've fallen and can't get up" commercials? Even before cellphones were ubiquitous, we saw a need for emergency communicators. You apparently also haven't missed the phone ringing all night long to tell you your father is dying and has been asking for you all night. Not important now, he died a couple hours ago. Hope you enjoyed that concert.

    43. Re:This seems dangerous by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      What if there's an emergency?

      The venue initiates their emergency response procedures which among other things do not rely on or involve idiots calling 911 to confuse dispatchers with sketchy and inaccurate information?

    44. Re:This seems dangerous by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      Maybe get there to say goodbye before he dies?

    45. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was 24/7/365 on call. By your logic I could never attend a public event.
      That said, with clever use of a coat/sweater/other article of clothing I can look at a phone without the light distracting others. A 2 second glance every 30 minutes or so goes completely unnoticed. Of course you have to disable notifications of everything other than missed calls and texts beforehand for the 2 second glance to work. Run outside if it's important, hit 'clear all' if not.

      As far as concerts (not talking symphony here) it's even easier. People wave glowsticks and other crap, or there's some sort of spotlight show going on, or confetti, either way there's a lot of other shiny flying around and your phone would never be noticed even if you were actively texting on it.

      It's quite possible to have a phone in a venue and *not* be a douche. There's plenty of people who do it every day, you just don't notice because they're doing it right!

    46. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the ones who didn't aren't here to pontificate. Did you also survive walking to school uphill both ways through raging blizzards? I guess so, since you're here to tell us about it.

      I love it when the greybeards come out of the woodwork to tell us how we don't need $TECHNOLOGY, because they didn't have it and they survived. How about modern medicine? Modern sanitation and water treatment? The list goes on. Clearly, you (or your ancestors) did just fine without these things; after all you're here to tell us all about it!

    47. Re:This seems dangerous by hawguy · · Score: 1

      the financially responsible idiot.

      Why does a financially responsible idiot have a smartphone at all? Why doesn't he have a basic flip-phone with no data plan?

    48. Re:This seems dangerous by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      The security crew is there to protect "the venue" and/or "the venue's" owners first. Once that's squared away maybe they'll look after the customers.

      And how can I be sure even that (a) " the venue has a fully staffed security crew" or (b) that the crew such as it is has any training relevant to dealing with emergent situations? Businesses all over have been cutting staff to the bone to perk up their bottom line. The management of any given "venue" might decide that they don't need a "fully staffed" crew and that the crew members that they do employ don't need any "specific training".

      Finally, a "fully staffed crew", trained or not, isn't going to help much if the message I'm not able to receive is that there's an urgent situation that I need to attend to away from "the venue".

      And how, exactly, would my reading a text message telling me of an urgent situation interfere with anyone else's enjoyment of the show anyway?

    49. Re:This seems dangerous by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Actually, someone working at Pulse Orlando took the trouble to post an emergency message on their Facebook page to the folks who were there: "... Pulse Orlando posted a haunting message on Facebook: “Everyone get out of pulse and keep running.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/06/12/it-was-just-complete-chaos-survivors-of-orlando-massacre-recall-desperate-struggle-to-stay-alive

      That someone presumably on the scene had both the presence of mind and the courage to type out that message during the attack impressed me greatly.

      But I guess that if everybody had their phones locked up in a bag that would have been an especially futile gesture indeed. Perhaps luckily for some who survived the attack, Alicia Keyes wasn't on the bill that night.

    50. Re:This seems dangerous by Cramer · · Score: 1

      The ON SITE EMTs will deal with it. If a bear rampages through the crowd, THE STAFF will call whomever is needed. YOU don't need to be in constant 24/7 contact with Facebook, texts, and email. You don't burst into flames every time you pass into an area with no signal.

      Why do people think the world will end if they don't have a cell phone bonding to their hand? We've managed to (over) populate the world without those things. I think you'll be ok in a place surrounded by a lot of other people.

    51. Re:This seems dangerous by Cramer · · Score: 1

      "I had the cure for his stroke right here in my pocket. If only I had known..."

    52. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever been to a large concert? There's security everywhere, and if you can't find any, throw something toward the band, they'll find you in about 5 seconds. It's probably faster to track one of them down and have them radio in some help than it is to pull out your phone and dial out. Never mind that the person on the other end of the call likely won't be able to hear a word you say because of the background noise.

    53. Re:This seems dangerous by StillAnonymous · · Score: 1

      It's quite possible to have a phone in a venue and *not* be a douche. There's plenty of people who do it every day, you just don't notice because they're doing it right!

      This applies to almost every law out there. I know people who can drive just fine while operating a cell phone, and others who can't due to the distraction. The laws are always aimed at the lowest common denominator, and the masses are punished for the actions of the few.

      If you can get away with it while not bothering anyone, good on ya.

    54. Re:This seems dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did they all die at concerts? Wow...

    55. Re:This seems dangerous by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      I was 24/7/365 on call. By your logic I could never attend a public event.

      His logic is spot on. And if you don't like to sacrifice that much of your private life for your work, maybe you should negotiate a better deal with your employer? Or make sure that there is enough pressure that employers don't expect this kind of insane shit, by joining a union?

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    56. Re:This seems dangerous by JeffOwl · · Score: 1

      I feel slightly bad that I laughed at that. Just slightly.

    57. Re:This seems dangerous by torkus · · Score: 1

      Just because you can point out a situation within his situation that invalidates it under specific circumstances doesn't invalidate the general premise.

      There are many situations where being able to reach someone quickly in an emergency can make a big difference on the outcome.

      This is nothing more than a pretentious move by a narcissistic performer who doesn't actually understand the mentality of their fans.

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    58. Re:This seems dangerous by hucker75 · · Score: 1

      Annoying others? Isn't it to stop videoing of the concert?

    59. Re:This seems dangerous by hucker75 · · Score: 1

      Cut the bag open? Seems a rather stupid way to "prevent" usage of your phone to me. Very very easy to bypass.

    60. Re:This seems dangerous by Holi · · Score: 1

      Imagine how I felt when I typed it.

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  4. Or, you know.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just bring a pair of scissors in case of an emergency.

    1. Re:Or, you know.. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1, Funny

      And get arrested for being armed with a weapon.

    2. Re:Or, you know.. by mrchaotica · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Or, you know, go to concerts performed by musicians who aren't threatened by modern technology. Weird Al, for example, encourages people to wave them in the air like people used to do with lighters during his "We All Have Cellphones" song.

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    3. Re:Or, you know.. by Rinikusu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I came to see the band, not your fucking cell phone that you insist and holding over your head, blocking my goddamned view.

      Saw one of my favorite bands recently. The girl behind us actually had the temerity to ask us to "keep it down" because she was recording the band on her cell phone. At a rock concert.

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    4. Re:Or, you know.. by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let me guess. You're one of the people who likes to stare at your full-brightness-enabled phone during movies and other performances, without bothering to think that it's as much or more the other paying customers you're pissing off, not the performing artist(s). Has it occurred to you that the person on stage might be wanting their paying customers to be able to enjoy the performance without people like you wrecking everyone's dark-adjusted vision and providing a bright visual distraction that, because of perspective, is larger than the person on the stage that everyone's just spent a bunch of money to see? I know, you really just don't care, because it's all about you. I wonder if there's anything the person sitting in front of YOU might be able to do that would make you wish they'd stop? Maybe, shining a flashlight in your face the whole time? Or is that, like, so cool, man!

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    5. Re:Or, you know.. by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      But they're safety scissors with rounded edges.

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    6. Re:Or, you know.. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      I wasn't aware that the cellphone bag was made out of construction paper.

    7. Re:Or, you know.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      In turn, that girl presumably came to the concert to hear/record the performance, not to listen to ya'lls goddamned yammering.

    8. Re:Or, you know.. by Rinikusu · · Score: 1, Troll

      Shut the fuck up.

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    9. Re:Or, you know.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was that some kind of attempt at irony?

    10. Re: Or, you know.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One more wonderful data point to add to my set. Conservatives are hypocrites and complete assholes. They all want to control everything you do but when you try it on them, they cry like the whiney bitches they are. And when you don't get your way? Legislate your "rights". Dying in a fire is too good for you guys.

    11. Re:Or, you know.. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Oh wow. You just actually used Weird Al as an example of someone supporting something. I'm going to assume you don't actually know who Weird Al is if that's your idea of "encouragement". You haven't just missed the point, the point has casually walked up to you and shouted "I'm the point" in your face but you didn't notice. Were you busy on your phone by any chance?

    12. Re: Or, you know.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it that the liberals always live in a bizzarro world where they see everything as the opposite of what's going on in reality? Replace "conservative" with "liberal", "democrat", or "progressive" in your statement, and you'll have what matches reality, not your delusional fantasy.

      It's democrat-supporting terrorists who turn up at trump rallies and stifle speech and commit acts of violence.
      It's democrats who are trying to legislate people's 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendment rights away in an unconstitutional manner.
      It's progressives who whine and cry for their "safe space" when someone writes "Trump 2016" in chalk on sidewalk.
      It's progressives who cry like whiny bitches that university homework is cutting into their valuable political activism time.
      It's democrats who whine that you can't judge the majority based on the actions of a few (islam), and then proceed to say that guns need to be taken away from the majority because of the actions of a few.
      It's progressives and democrats that shriek like harpies, claiming opponents are nazis and hitler, while burning books that question global warming and advocate death to people who deny global warming.

      Hypocrisy is absolutely the tenet of the Left.

    13. Re: Or, you know.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Scissors can cut more than paper...

    14. Re: Or, you know.. by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Regular scissor, sure. But not safety scissors.

    15. Re:Or, you know.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. That's it. They're threatened by modern technology.

      Apparently you're threatened by the point as you appear to be trying hard to miss it.

  5. Liability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So who is liable if there is an emergency and nobody in the crowd is able to access a phone to actually report it?

    1. Re:Liability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The same people who have always been responsible: The on-site security. They don't need access to a phone, they just need to grab one of the guys or gals RIGHT THERE.

      We went to concerts before everyone had phones you know...

    2. Re:Liability by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So who is liable if there is an emergency and nobody in the crowd is able to access a phone to actually report it?

      If anything, I believe emergency response times were better before everybody had a cell phone and 500 people called the emergency number at the same time.
      The guards presumably still have working phones.

    3. Re:Liability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So who is liable if there is an emergency and nobody in the crowd is able to access a phone to actually report it?

      From TFS:

      If they need to use their device during the show the users can go back to the door and a worker passes a disc about the size of a bagel over the bag to unlock it

      I suppose before cell phones were invented, the eventual inventor should have been held liable for all those times people were at concerts when there was an emergency and he hadn't yet invented a way for them to call anybody from it.

    4. Re:Liability by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The event organisers. You know the ones with the radio communications, the emergency response procedures, the trained first aiders, and the insurance for when it all goes tits up.

      Next question?

    5. Re:Liability by cjjjer · · Score: 1

      Typical Millennial thinking that cells phones *always* existed...

    6. Re:Liability by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

      Considering the size of the age group within one can be considered a "Millennial," what makes this typical besides a potential generalization?

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    7. Re:Liability by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 3, Informative

      The guards presumably still have working phones.

      Better: At venues large enough that this is really an "issue" there is often an ambulance already onsite to deal with any medical calamities--for "music festivals" there are often two on site. So the hundreds of bouncers they have working these shows all have walkie-talkie radios and can probbaly get the already-there ambulance crew to your seat faster than you'd get an ambulance dispatched from the fire station by 9-1-1, to the venue, parked, and into the place.

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    8. Re:Liability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And the under 30 crowd chimes in... Life was better, much better before the cell phone.

      NOBODY, not one single person EVER needs to have a cell phone at any public event.

      Street fair, movie theater, comedy show, parade, concert, you name it, not a single person needs one for a case of "emergency".

      If someone is having a heart attack, there is EMS close by at any such event or someone at the event has an actual land line to make the emergency call. Then you have one or maybe a few people calling 911, not 100s. This is how it used to work and it works 100 times better than every idiot having a phone burying emergency services with useless duplicate calls.

    9. Re:Liability by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      I turn 34 this year. I definitely remember life without cell phones and more to the point, life without 'smart phones'.

    10. Re:Liability by Desler · · Score: 1

      The people running the venue. You do realize that concerts were held long before cellphones existed, right?

    11. Re:Liability by ogdenk · · Score: 1

      I'm 34 and I definitely remember over-sized $1.00/minute brick and bag-phones when I was a little kid. Most people didn't have them but they were definitely around in more affluent areas. You are correct on smartphones. A "portable computer" was the size of a large briefcase and weighed 30+ lbs when I was little. Real laptops started to appear when I was about 8 or 9. Handheld 64-bit multi-core computers with hi-rez screens that fit into your pocket were pure science fiction.

      Hell our first family computer ran at 1.79MHz and stored about 90KB on a floppy. And somehow I get both lumped in with Millennials and the tail end of Generation X depending on who you talk to yet my first online experience was through various local BBS's.

    12. Re:Liability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Consider this scenario...

      Open air event. Has security. Has heavy horses in a parade wherein one of the horses wigs out enough to sweep part of the parade participants underneath itself and proceeds to tromp all over said participant with approximately 2500 pounds of itself, where the horse kicked the person in the hand and crushed part of their jewelry on their hands.

      Security fucked up and MOVED this person to get them out of sight before the EMTs got there. (Hint: No EMTs are required by insurance for most events' insurance- it's merely **SUGGESTED** and this place had gate count approaching a thousand or so at the peak of season...) Event management ended up eating a lot of expensive medical bill for this person at their expense because they'd screwed it up by the numbers- and I don't mean not having EMT services there.

      This happened at a Renaissance Festival in Texas THIS YEAR.

      You place faith in things you deeply shouldn't. All of you yammering about EMT's being required and being there- or security doing the "right things" for most incidents...neither of which are actually reality or the truth. But hey, I'm sure you also place faith in your government to have your best interests at heart all the time too...

    13. Re: Liability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The on-site security takes a long time to get to when your friend is having a heart attack. *Seconds* can count in that kind of situation, and you want me to spend the first 15 minutes looking for someone from security? Are you insane, or do you just want my friend to die?

  6. Yeah, anti-thieving device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From electronics stores. All you need folks is a small magnet or any handy electromagnet.

  7. As long as it's for the right reason by Jfetjunky · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Banning cell phones so you don't have to try to look around people who insist on holding their phones over their heads. Or banning cell phones because you don't want an amateur video of your concert on youtube. Given my jaded view of the music industry, I'd bet on the latter. However, I've always wondered what the people who insist on taking photos and videos of everything they see do with those. Are they the modern day equivalent of those who used to corner people with their slide projectors while they begrudgingly sat and pretended to care? Enjoy your life, quit pretending everybody else wants to experience every second of it too.

    1. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by dgatwood · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm okay with banning the use of cell phones to record the show, but that should be done with bouncers, not by locking up people's cell phones so that they are unavailable if an emergency should arise. Locking up the phones in bags represents a public safety concern, and thus should not be taken lightly.

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    2. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm okay with banning the use of cell phones to record the show, but that should be done with bouncers, not by locking up people's cell phones so that they are unavailable if an emergency should arise. Locking up the phones in bags represents a public safety concern, and thus should not be taken lightly.

      eh? If you give the phone to the bouncer, it is also "unavailable if an emergency should arise"? Also, would be a mess to sort out the phones for 10000 people.

    3. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, they should lock up peoples guns in these bags instead.

    4. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think dgatwood was suggesting that bouncers should just observe the crowd and confront anyone who appears to be recording the concert.

    5. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      At least a gun would have a fighting chance of blowing a hole in the bag. Then again, if that fan fails and the cell phone goes into thermal runaway, I'd imagine it would blow a hole in the bag, too, so... never mind.

      Speaking of liability....

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    6. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think dgatwood was suggesting that bouncers should just observe the crowd and confront anyone who appears to be recording the concert.

      Exactly.

      And to whatever AC's keep saying "just grab a bouncer", ya fucking right, you've obviously never BEEN to a concert, have you? Not too long ago there were a couple guys who got arrested because they were out in the crowd groping girls. The bouncers didn't see it happen, and didn't stop it. The ONLY reason they were ID'd was because other patrons recorded them and had video evidence.

      Ya, "just go get a security guard", that's fucking retarded. By the time you get through the crowd, find a guard who cares enough to listen, and make your way back to the location, the 'perp' is long gone. "Back in the Day" before cell phone cameras, it was not uncommon for people to be physically and/or sexually assaulted and nobody was ever caught unless the victim got lucky and spotted the person on the way out.

      And what if the problem is a couple of over-zealous guards beating the shit out of someone for no good reason? Who you gonna call then, eh?

      Look, I can see how the performers would be concerned about some really shitty, low-quality video with shitty audio being uploaded to youtube. After all, who wouldn't rush out to watch someone's home-made youtube video of a concert, complete with people nearby drowning out hte sound with their screams and yells, instead of buying a ticket? I know I for one would much rather watch the shaky, unfocused video which primarily consists of the floor and someone's head, than a professionally shot video of the performer.

    7. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

      I'm okay with banning the use of cell phones to record the show, but that should be done with bouncers, not by locking up people's cell phones so that they are unavailable if an emergency should arise. Locking up the phones in bags represents a public safety concern, and thus should not be taken lightly.

      If they don't want people filming the show, should be simple enough to bathe the stage in a wavelength of light that the human eye can't pick up, but the cameras in the phones still do.

    8. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by hambone142 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I go to a lot of concerts but I find smart phone users during the show very obnoxious.

      We went to see Tom Petty at the Rose Quarter/Moda center in Portland . The folks in front of us were constantly taking selfies *with flash* , googling, doing fucking Facebook and more during the music. It was such a bad experience, we'll never return to that venue.

      We've run in to the behavior at other shows but not as bad as this one.

      I'm all for bagging cellphones during concerts if people can't learn to behave with them.

      Some of the venues I go to (smaller ones) remind idiots when they're being idiots with cellphones.

    9. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wait until you go to a show and somebody's doing all this with an iPad.

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    10. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by turp182 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Sometimes something really classic or funny is captured, and it's worth it.

      For example, last week, during a concert, Justin Beiber fell into into a large hole on stage and disappeared for a few seconds.

      I'm glad there was video of that, it was fun to watch a few times.

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    11. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, can't imagine what going to a concert was like before cellphones... how would someone know if you were in trouble! It could be days before help arrives. Better keep every single person in the audience connected, you never know when an emergency selfie has to go out

      /s

    12. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm okay with banning the use of cell phones to record the show, but that should be done with bouncers, not by locking up people's cell phones so that they are unavailable if an emergency should arise. Locking up the phones in bags represents a public safety concern, and thus should not be taken lightly.

      If they don't want people filming the show, should be simple enough to bathe the stage in a wavelength of light that the human eye can't pick up, but the cameras in the phones still do.

      Hate to break this to you, but the human eye is responsive to a broader range of wavelengths than any phone camera. In other words, there is no such wavelength. Please read up on human vision and on anything related to cameras, such as the Bayer filter.

    13. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

      They could probably flash a pattern of infrared light that cameras would be required to respect and shut down, but THEN it would be just a matter of time until law enforcement officers started flashing the SAME infrared light pattern to prevent bystanders from filming them. And venues like Disney started flashing it everywhere so they could make you pay them for photos instead of allowing customers to take their own photos for free. And stores like Best Buy & Walmart started flashing it to keep you from scanning barcodes and seeing how much something costs online. Right now, if a company or entity tries to ban cameras, they're likely to encounter at least a certain degree of resistance. Sometimes it won't matter, sometimes it will make them reconsider their desire to ban cameras. But if it becomes trivially easy to prevent photography and video recordings, within a matter of months every corporation in America will decide that it's a "best practice" to do it, just because their lawyers will tell them that to do otherwise would expose the company to a potential lawsuit or prosecution someday.

    14. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      You're incorrect:

      http://www.maxmax.com/Old_Web/...

      Most cameras have filters to narrow their spectral sensitivity to more or less the visual range but general purpose cameras virtually always have significant sensitivity in the near infrared that's outside human vision. Your cell phone camera can probably see the IR light from a remote control, for example.

    15. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw that at a zoo. Two siblings each with a full size ipad to take photos with. Somehow or another always blocking the exhibit with their "cameras" and of course video was needed no snapshots for frick and frack.

    16. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You have a phone with a fan in it? Just how big is this device? Does it have a portable nuclear powerplant too?

    17. Re: As long as it's for the right reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy hole! I wish I could have been there so I could have gone and take a shit into that hole while justin bieber was in it! Imagine that, hundreds of people jumping on stage and go shit in the hole justin bieber is in! It gives a whole new meaning to the old saying: "son, just go and shit in the hole justin bieber is in"!

    18. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boo-fucking hoo. Here's an idea for you: Do NOT go to a public venue with this policy. YOU go to your safe space. Problem solved.

    19. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or banning cell phones because you don't want an amateur video of your concert on youtube.

      Here's an idea. Instead of taking the heavy-handed approach of banning cell phones at concerts, simply remove the incentive to create an amateur video of the concert you're attending with your cell phone. Hire a professional camera crew who makes a slick video of the concert. Then give each ticket-holder a unique code which entitles them to download a free copy of this video a few days after the concert.

      The fans are happy because they get a nice video to relieve the experience, instead of a crappy cell phone video. The musician is happy because there are no (or fewer) annoying cell phones and flashes going off in the concert. And the production studio is happy because they can use software to detect copies of the concert video uploaded to YouTube, instead of having to hire people to scour YouTube for amateur videos of the concert. Win-win-win.

    20. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Matheus · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm extremely conflicted on this issue. I strive to not be a hypocrite as much as possible so in this try to constrain my activities to a set of rules that I would be comfortable with everyone else following. SO here's where I'm at:

      I go to a LOT of concerts. I believe the vast majority of people don't understand the depth of this statement. 5-7 nights a week. 250-300 days out of the year I'm seeing live music. There are many different kinds of shows and each one has slightly different rules. Clubs are very different from Theaters are very different from Stadiums are very different from Festivals. You really need to respect the environment you're in. I really hate how a lot of people use their phones during a show BUT at the same time my favorite hobby, aside from seeing the music in the first place, is capturing it for the many many people who live vicariously through my concert experiences. This is not vanity. I get thanks on the daily from people who don't have the time or money to go see what I do and truly appreciate the photos and videos I capture and share. SO, I need to find a balance between getting that done and not being "that guy" at a show either. Here are the rules I try to follow:

      1) Turn off your flash. *Period. Cell phone flashes suck. You will get better photos with the light that is being provided by the stage light engineer. The *only time you need your phone flash is if you are taking pictures of your friends in the audience and then only if they are in the dark (see #2). Your friends look cooler if you take a photo away from the stage so they are illuminated by the stage lighting anyway.
      2) I don't take selfies or group shots during shows: This is not only obnoxious for the flash that is often used (necessary or no) but also for the "sorry we're going to expand and shove you all out of the way so we can get an unobstructed shot". I'm not going to say I've never been in such a shot nor taken one but I avoid it to the max because I hate it when it happens.
      3) Keep video to a minimum: I love having videos but hate taking them and it's really hard not to be "that guy" while doing so. Aside from the above *never use flash while recording because goddammit why are you blinding me for that long! but also: a) Video is better horizontal than vertical. b) try to not hold the phone blocking everyone else's view. This is prime if you can be close enough that you can hold your phone over someone's shoulder so only you and maybe the couple people immediately behind you can see it. c) Phone video only looks good when you hold the phone extremely still. If you can't do this then don't record video. d) (Personally) since I want this to be worthwhile to the general public I always record a entire song. I don't want to watch some crappy minute long shaky video of whatever so if I'm going to go through the hassle and aggravation of recording one then its going to be steady, quiet and a complete song. I also shoot for no more than 1 video per show or set if any.
      4) Do your work quick and go away. Block people's view for as little time as possible and put your phone away. I've had shows where I took literally hundreds of photos and the people around me were like "dude I rarely saw your phone in the air". Look for a good shot, get your settings configured when the phone is out of view, pop it up and take a few quick shots (this is faster when the flash is off and any HDR is off as well!) and put the phone away. ALSO you're not going to capture the whole show. Don't try. Take a bunch of (near most) songs off and just enjoy them. I've been behind people who were shooting constantly and it's annoying.
      5) Don't do a bunch of other stuff with your phone. If it's a really major show I might do a single FB update with a photo but else my phone is in my pocket unless it's being a camera or watch. *exception: for really large shows (festivals / stadiums) people may need to find where I am / vice versa so texting is a necessary evil sometimes BUT I'm not sitting there chatting about other crap. Purely lo

    21. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Years ago I read Japanese were working on show-hall faraday cages using metal-impregnated plywood.

      Nils K. Hammer

    22. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your so fucking scared of a fucking emergency. STAY THE FUCK HOME.

    23. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Investigation Of The Mechanism Of Near-infrared Induced Cataract

      http://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2351360

    24. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Known+Nutter · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You're part of the problem... hate to say it. Put the fucking phone away. Facebook update... please.

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    25. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have strict "No Alicia Keys concert policy."

      So I don't care.

    26. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by sociocapitalist · · Score: 1

      Banning cell phones so you don't have to try to look around people who insist on holding their phones over their heads. Or banning cell phones because you don't want an amateur video of your concert on youtube. Given my jaded view of the music industry, I'd bet on the latter.

      However, I've always wondered what the people who insist on taking photos and videos of everything they see do with those. Are they the modern day equivalent of those who used to corner people with their slide projectors while they begrudgingly sat and pretended to care? Enjoy your life, quit pretending everybody else wants to experience every second of it too.

      Alternate reason: I've got videos of my son and his cousins enjoying various shows I've brought them to and I'll be enjoying watching that again later in life.

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    27. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Don't use power levels that cause that audience's eyes to heat up to 40 degrees.

    28. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I go to a lot of concerts but I find smart phone users during the show very obnoxious.

      I do not do music performances, but when I'm giving a presentation - which I do quite often, and someone's phone rings I stop and tell them we'll resume when they are finished.

      That seems to stop the problem pretty quickly. I've never stopped a presentation twice. It's amusing to see everyone turning off their phones.

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    29. Re:As long as it's for the right reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Orbital did something similar, rather than identical, at a couple of their concerts. After the show, you could buy a memory stick with a live recording of the audio. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to have been a hit, as they didn't keep it up. Would have been nice to get the video as well, but it was better (for me) than poor quality grainy video clips with poor audio.

  8. Liability? by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm just waiting for the first time that the inability to make a 911 call quickly from one of these shows (heart attack, stroke, active shooter, etc.) results in someone's unnecessary death. After one lawsuit erases the benefits of the entire tour, the insurance companies will start levying huge surcharges for any shows that ban cellphones, and all this nonsense will take care of itself.

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    1. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean all this nonsense will start all over again. None of this would be an issue if people could leave their phones silenced and put away in situations like movies, seminars, and concerts.

    2. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A concert that has enough security at every door? Really?

    3. Re:Liability? by PraiseBob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You do realize that cell phones didn't always exist, and people still managed to survive? I'm sure concert survival rates won't drop drastically because of a potential 2 hour gap where your cellphone doesn't work.

    4. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What can 911 do faster than the medic/security crew who work for the venue? Unless you, for some reason, believe that security staff won't have any way to communicate with the outside world?

    5. Re:Liability? by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Have you ever been to a concert? No, really?
      Do you think that making a 9-1-1 or 1-1-2 phone call is even possible over the din of the band and the crowd?

      Leave making emergency calls to the emergency crew which is present, and have a room or a van from which phone calls can be made. That way, your great-uncle might even survive his heart attack, unlike if you panic and try to make a call yourself.

    6. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You do realize that cell phones didn't always exist, and people still managed to survive?

      Lies! I was around then. It was very rare to survive a concert in those days.

    7. Re:Liability? by watermark · · Score: 4, Funny

      Terrorists didn't exist back then. I need my phone because terrorists.

    8. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dear god,

      Please make sure earth has a front row seat for the upcoming solar superstorms.

      Thank you!
      Sick of the mobile revolution

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronal_mass_ejection

    9. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they have on site staff for that. Last time it happened at a soccer game I was at the staff showed up long before anyone could respond to a 911 call. We just waved to the usher and he used a radio to have people on scene damn quick.

    10. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... I'm sure concert survival rates won't drop drastically because of a potential 2 hour gap where your cellphone doesn't work.

      You've never been to a Pantera concert.

    11. Re:Liability? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      If you or someone next to you has a stroke, how long will it take someone to reach someone at security? Shows can be quite densely packed, don't assume you can do that in a minimal amount of time. And for a stroke, every second counts.

    12. Re:Liability? by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do you think that making a 9-1-1 or 1-1-2 phone call is even possible over the din of the band and the crowd?

      Yes. Modern cell phones are quite good at noise rejection; there are real advantages from having your mouth an inch from the main mic and multiple microphones elsewhere on the device. Besides, all that 911 needs to know is that there's a medical emergency. They can tell the location from GPS even if they can't tell it from the noise level.

      Leave making emergency calls to the emergency crew which is present

      In a heart attack situation, you have five minutes to restore blood flow, or the person is dead. So you have one minute to step quickly out of the row and run up the stairs to the nearest security person, plus the time for them to get somewhere quiet enough that they can call it in. That burns precious minutes, so unless they have medical staff at the event, the victim is probably screwed.

      Mind you, most large events should have medical staff on the premises, and at a bare minimum, event security will have to either help get the patient out (preferred) or get the medical personnel to the patient (slower), so you should be making your phone call while you run for event security, but you're still statistically better off doing both, because you can't know with certainty that they do have a medical staff, and they probably won't have an ambulance standing ready unless you're at a football game.

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    13. Re:Liability? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      What can 911 do faster than the medic/security crew who work for the venue?

      Unless a venue security person sees what's happening, you're going to have to find one of them, and that potentially adds a critical minute to the response time. If you instead called 911 while you ran to find the local help, they could get an ambulance or police car rolling towards the venue before event security even knew there was a problem.

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    14. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      if people could leave their phones silenced and put away in situations like movies

      So go to a theater which has a strict 'no phone no talking' policy which is actually enforced. Yes, they exist. IF you don't have one in your town, then go demand a refund if they let people get away with it.

      seminars

      I didn't realize this was such a huge problem at seminars, or that anybody gave a shit.

      concerts

      If you can ever HEAR your phone ring at a concert, then it's a shitty concert. If you're sitting down in a chair at the concert, then it's an even shittier concert.
      If by "concert" what you really meant was "Symphony" or "Orchestra" or "Opera" then sure, I can sympathize, and anybody who makes any noise or disturbance including talking, eating, etc. should be promptly escorted out by the Ushers.

    15. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many industries already ban everything that can act as a recording device in their research centers, that means smartphones have to be surrendered at the entrance. If you have to call emergency services you can ask security for help, if they do not help then you have ground for a lawsuit. If on the other hand you are on call and have to be reachable in case of emergency you can go outside when called or carry an ancient non smart mobilephone - which is something my coworkers do when they visit customers with a need for secrecy.

      In any case the rules seem like a hughe improvement over attempts to both actively and passively interfere with the cell network itself.

    16. Re:Liability? by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ok let's clear some things up here in dot points:

      1. Nothing good has ever come from random people calling 911 for emergency services to a very large public venue. All you achieve is to confuse the dispatchers and result in a bunch of ambulances arriving to the wrong place, announcing to the wrong place and ultimately delaying care for those that need.

      2. Part of event organisation includes co-ordination. There's never an assumption or a requirement to have the public involved in managing an event. The organisers have teams with radios for communication, and can easily and quickly manage any scenario.

      3. Following on from the above dot point one of the key parts of managing an emergency at a public event is getting people to NOT help and getting them to stay out of the way. Despite what you think is happening in nearly every case the situation is being far better managed than you think and no unless you're a doctor you're not at all helping.

      4. I don't want someone to call 911. I want someone to call the local first aid team which is part of the emergency response plan which will likely be there in seconds, not 10s of minutes.

      5. ALL such events have insurance. ALL such events are required to provide an emergency response plan to the insurance company.

      6. In an active shooter event all bets are off. More people will get injured in the resulting stampede than get shot by the shooter. Still the best person to 911 is security, the guys who likely can see the shooter and follow where he is moving, not some person hiding under the chair providing wonderful information to dispatch such as "bwaaa I don't know where he is, bwaaaa someone is shooting, bwaaaa get me out of here"

      And completely unrelated to an emergency the use of mobile phones at a concert is just pure and utter garbage that results in pure and utter garbage videos, pure and utter garbage sound, and makes you a pure and utter garbage person for holding up a lit display in the person behind you's face.

    17. Re:Liability? by reanjr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We didn't used to have anesthesia and clean medical facilities, either, and people survived then, too.

    18. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the technology prohibition in the venue or for an event is KNOWN IN ADVANCE. if you don't want to go somewhere where you can't have your phone pasted to your thumbs or your ear, THEN DO NOT GO. if you do not want to go to an event where you can't record your own bootleg, THEN DO NOT GO.

      there is no liability on the venue or the artist, or anything else. there are medical personnel and equipment on hand as required by law.. defibs, ambulances and EMTs, even full-fledged doctors, depending upon the event, venue, and number of persons in attendance. the law spells out what these venues and events must have. if they meet or exceed those, then they have their butts legally and financially covered.

      at a 50,000 seat arena, standing-room only, 911 is NOT GOING TO HELP. it will take many times longer for 911 to respond than it would for on-site personnel to. THAT IS WHY THESE RULES EXIST that requires them. 911 dispatch centers DO NOT EVEN WANT YOUR CALLS at these events and venues because THEY SIMPLY CANNOT HELP.

    19. Re:Liability? by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 2

      Also, what's some hired thug going to do in a medical emergency? There's a reason that EMTs and paramedics undergo quite a lot more training than the eight hours it takes to get a "guard card".

      Plus, venue security is usually more concerned with the venue and it's reputation than the health and well-being of the customers. Around here for example, there were several notorious incidents shortly after the passage of the R.A.V.E. Act, when security guards, encountering someone having medical issues or even sought out for help by someone's friends, simply dragged people out of the club, marched them around the corner, and threw them to the curb; at no point calling 911 or summoning any medical help whatsoever. The city did finally set up an entertainment commission and started bitchslapping the nightclubs that pulled these stunts. But it still speaks volumes as to the mentality of security guard types and their usefulness (rather, their lack thereof) in an emergency.

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    20. Re:Liability? by Aethedor · · Score: 1

      Sure, but with the introduction of cellphones, society changed. You can ban cellphones, but you can't change back society. You can't change back how insurance companies will respond to an incident during a concert.

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    21. Re:Liability? by foradoxium · · Score: 4, Insightful

      this is a non-starter.

      I worked as an usher for many years, I worked many many concerts. There are ushers on the sides of every section, with radios. There are security guards walking around the show and just outside the seating areas.

      Nobody is going to call 911 in an emergency on their cellphone...Have you tried talking on your cellphone during a show? Neither the caller or the 911 operator would *not* hear a word said. You would call 911..the operator would get on say something and you'd say "sorry, can't hear you...hold on while I leave my seat, walk down the stairs and to a more quiet place."

      It would be foolish for someone to try and handle it themselves, if your friend was having a medical emergency you would kill them. There is medical staff standing which includes an ambulance. You spending 10 minutes trying to get through and talk to a 911 operator would simply kill your friend. In fact, I bet if you told the operator that you were at a concert they would tell you to immediately hang up and talk to security.

    22. Re:Liability? by EvilSS · · Score: 4, Funny

      Terrorists didn't exist back then. I need my phone because terrorists.

      This. How am I supposed to sell footage of a terrorist attack to the media if I can't get to my phone!

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    23. Re:Liability? by TroII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are already ambulances and police on site at any event of this size. Insurance requires it, the fire code likely requires it, common sense dictates it, and the artists usually have it in their contract (even if they're only thinking of themselves). Trying to get help sent from the outside will likely take longer than finding someone in a position of authority at the venue.

    24. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been an event promoter for events at a smaller (a few thousand seats, a few hundred athlete participants) at a large event center that sometimes had a 50K seat stadium next door filled. We always had EMTs or a doctor on site, but only occasionally an ambulance. If someone was seriously hurt you a) call 911. That gets the ambulance on the way-- it was an urban area so they're a couple minutes at most b) call security and tell them an ambulance is on the way. They'd meet the ambulance at the gate and make sure they get to the right place. 911 can and does help, even in big places. The emergency plan was required by our insurer, not by law, and they were fine with our approach (which was used unfortunately many times)

    25. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if you don't have an issue with the principle of keeping disruptive phone use out of events, why would you have a problem with what's being described in TFA?

      This is really just a pre-emptive "keep phones from being disruptive" policy that means nobody has to wait for the asshat to disrupt the event before they're escorted out.

    26. Re:Liability? by bws111 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here is what actually happens when you call 911 from an event (personal experience):

      911: 911, what is the nature of your emergency
      Me: I think my companion is having a heart attack
      911: What is your location
      Me: XYZ Arena
      911: Is an event in progress?
      Me: Yes
      911: EMS is on-site for all events. Find the nearest person with a 'Staff' or 'Security' vest and tell them. They will have EMS there immediately

      And I did, and EMS was there within 30 seconds. And before EMS even arrived, the security staff had cleared a path for them and made room around the patient.

    27. Re:Liability? by PCM2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you or someone next to you has a stroke, how long will it take someone to reach someone at security? Shows can be quite densely packed, don't assume you can do that in a minimal amount of time. And for a stroke, every second counts.

      OK, so if the show is so densely packed that you can't even reach security, what's a phone call going to do? Seriously, do you think paramedics are going to find "the person in the audience who called 911" if you haven't even identified yourself to security?

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    28. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you're probably surviving the concert without having access to anesthesia and clean medical facilities for a few hours, too.

    29. Re:Liability? by argStyopa · · Score: 2

      Not having cell phones available isn't the same as being denied them.

      Let's use a different example: portable defibrillators.
      Before they had them, yes, some people died. And it was sad, but nothing could be done.
      Now that they have them, can you imagine the torrent of lawsuits if someone dropped from a heart attack and the only portable defibrillator WAS LOCKED AWAY?

      Somewhere, a lawyer has a boner.

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    30. Re:Liability? by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      You've never been to a Pantera concert.

      In all likelihood, neither have you.

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    31. Re:Liability? by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      And the rest of us are hoping the stroke victim is you.

    32. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, if you ignore every medical statistic, ever.

    33. Re:Liability? by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Besides, all that 911 needs to know is that there's a medical emergency. They can tell the location from GPS even if they can't tell it from the noise level.

      Don't count on it. Also, have you ever tried to find your friends at a concert once it's already started? Do you think people who have never seen you before are going to have an easier time of it?

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    34. Re:Liability? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      You do realize that people are more prone to heart attacks, drug overdose, and violence since the invention of the cell phone? Not that there is a causal link, but the same era that brought on the cell phone also brought on fast food, lack of exercise, designer drugs, and blinged out rap singers glorifying gun violence and gang warfare.

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    35. Re:Liability? by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      The GP is not aware of the real world. My sister was a paramedic for many years, and she worked many concerts. I think the worst she ever dealt with were alcohol and drug cases. And she worked Detroit many years; she's dealt with gunshot wounds and the whole nine yards, too.

    36. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back when cell phones didn't exist, there were pay phones and land lines everywhere. Now it's almost impossible to find a coin-operated payphone anywhere.

    37. Re:Liability? by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Unless 911 is in contact with the onsite medical staff, you are literally wasting time trying to get a dispatcher to send a unit. Do you have any idea how shitty response times are in any large city? And how the hell will the responders get in past security and find a stroke or heart attack victim that security doesn't know about?

      You have to the most stupid person on the internet today.

    38. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We didn't used to have anesthesia and clean medical facilities, either, and people survived then, too.

      Your analogy would be accurate if they were creating an electronic dead zone with no outside communication option. However given that every single concert I've been to has police there who all have at least basic EMT training, not to mention the venue itself has to meet fire and safety inspector standards including having a landline, your analogy is inaccurate and alarmist.

    39. Re:Liability? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      And how the hell will the responders get in past security and find a stroke or heart attack victim that security doesn't know about?

      Maybe you should actually read what you're replying to before you reply.

      "...you should be making your phone call while you run for event security..."

      In other words, if you aren't sure whether there's an ambulance on site (it depends on how big the venue is), get the ambulance rolling while you go to get security. Better still, send one person to find security while a second person calls 911.

      You have to the most stupid person on the internet today.

      ...says the person who didn't bother reading the post before commenting on it, and who left out a verb.

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    40. Re:Liability? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Don't count on it. [Link to USA Today about cell phone GPS failures]

      Count on it? No. That's why you also contact event security. Besides, there's a huge difference between not getting accurate GPS and getting no GPS, and there's a huge difference between being on the side of a road somewhere in the middle of nowhere and being in a major venue with multiple Wi-Fi networks that will give you an adequate aGPS location even without being able to receive GPS data (which you almost certainly couldn't receive indoors anyway).

      Also, have you ever tried to find your friends at a concert once it's already started?

      That's why you also contact event security. As I said, "... event security will have to either help get the patient out (preferred) or get the medical personnel to the patient (slower) ...".

      Jeez, does anybody even read my posts before they assume I must be wrong?

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    41. Re:Liability? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Are you as horrible a person in real life as you are being on here? Grow up, kid.

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    42. Re:Liability? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      What kind of events do you go to where it is hard to find event staff? Have you ever actually been to an event? And no matter what, you are going to have to find event staff, unless you think your phone is going to also treat the person and transport them to the hospital.

    43. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you think that making a 9-1-1 or 1-1-2 phone call is even possible over the din of the band and the crowd?

      Yes. Modern cell phones are quite good at noise rejection; there are real advantages from having your mouth an inch from the main mic and multiple microphones elsewhere on the device. Besides, all that 911 needs to know is that there's a medical emergency. They can tell the location from GPS even if they can't tell it from the noise level.

      Leave making emergency calls to the emergency crew which is present

      In a heart attack situation, you have five minutes to restore blood flow, or the person is dead. So you have one minute to step quickly out of the row and run up the stairs to the nearest security person, plus the time for them to get somewhere quiet enough that they can call it in. That burns precious minutes, so unless they have medical staff at the event, the victim is probably screwed.

      Mind you, most large events should have medical staff on the premises, and at a bare minimum, event security will have to either help get the patient out (preferred) or get the medical personnel to the patient (slower), so you should be making your phone call while you run for event security, but you're still statistically better off doing both, because you can't know with certainty that they do have a medical staff, and they probably won't have an ambulance standing ready unless you're at a football game.

      All of this is horseshit. If your friend has a heart attack and you think you are better off calling 911 and explaining that your inside Taco Bell Arena in section C114 row H seat 9 and then sitting back waiting for them to arrive, I feel bad for your dead friend. Security is on hand to deal with that. Theres a reason they dont bother giving out the phone number for the security services manager at concerts: if theres a problem, THEY KNOW ABOUT IT. Say something to any of the several security team that's within sight, and it will be handled with extreme urgency and effectiveness.

      Where I work (not even a huge arena) we are urged not to dial 911 on any phone (especially cell phones) but instead dial internal security or shout for a medical emergency. We are a large, safety aware company with an excellent safety record, because we make smart decisions. When you are in a building full of people who are trained to help, getting on your cellphone because you want to be some sort of fucking hero is THE WRONG THING.

    44. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easily solved with having a breakable pouch... e.g. you deposit $50, get a "sealed" plastic bag for your phone. You get your $50 back upon exit when your unbroken bag is returned. If you forget, or have a really big emergency, then break the bag and void the $50 refund. (if it's a genuine emergency that the concert folks agree with, they'll return the deposit).

    45. Re:Liability? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      And no matter what, you are going to have to find event staff ...

      From the post you replied to:

      ... called 911 while you ran to find the local help ...

      At no point did I even imply, much less state, that you should not find the event staff.

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    46. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything used to not exist and people survived. But now those things do exist and MORE people survive because of it.

    47. Re:Liability? by PraiseBob · · Score: 1

      Actually I was at a Pantera concert in the mid 90s. There were no cell phones, and as far as I know, there were no fatalities at that concert.

    48. Re:Liability? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      There are already ambulances and police on site at any event of this size.

      And as I've said elsewhere, the ambulances are not always sufficient, depending on the number of people sick or injured at a given event, and at smaller venues, you won't find ambulances at all. (I know that doesn't apply for venues that Alicia Keys would play, in all likelihood, but this discussion shouldn't just be about her concerts; it's a general issue that affects all concerts in venues ranging from giant stadiums all the way down to small, private clubs.) Simultaneously reaching out to 911 while you go to find the event staff costs no additional time, and increases the odds of success, even if only marginally.

      Either way, statistically, there will eventually be at least one time in which a 911 call would have saved a life for one reason or another. And it only takes one.

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    49. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Besides, all that 911 needs to know is that there's a medical emergency. They can tell the location from GPS even if they can't tell it from the noise level.

      You are so wrong here, and in a real emergency it would likely get you or others killed. Only a handful of states have tech that even remotely can do this, but the majority of America does not, and won't for at least 20 years.

      John Oliver: 911 (May 15, 2016)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-XlyB_QQYs

    50. Re:Liability? by Githaron · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You do realize that cell phones didn't always exist, and people still managed to survive?

      What is your point? A lot of things didn't used to exist and yet enough people to survived their non-existence to continue to life of the species. That doesn't mean it is smart to get rid of all those things.

    51. Re:Liability? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      The GP is not aware of the real world.

      No, you're not aware of the notion of outliers. It only takes one outlier to create a public backlash. Just look at how many people are screaming that we should allow guns in bars right now. And imagine how much worse that backlash would be if the banned item that could have saved lives were something as harmless as a cellular phone, banned solely to boost corporate profits. If a story like that ended up on CNN, it would pretty much ruin the career of the artist who demanded such extraordinary measures, and it wouldn't be good for that artist's record label, either.

      For that matter, the death wouldn't necessarily even have to happen inside the venue for the venue and event planners to be held liable. Consider that bars have been held civilly liable for drunk driving deaths when people left those bars, got into their cars, and drove into bridge posts or whatever. So what happens when a person sees a no cell phone policy and leaves his/her phone at home rather than dealing with the hassle of extra security delays or risking the phone getting stolen from his/her car, then gets into a wreck on the way home and can't call 911 (or gets jumped in the park while walking home or...)? Let's look at the pertinent facts:

      • The event actively discouraged bringing the phone in with the whole bagging thing.
      • The event discouraged leaving the phone in the car with their "we will not be held liable for items stolen from personal vehicles" disclaimers.

      I'm not saying that the courts would necessarily hold the event organizers liable, but it would be entirely at the discretion of the judge and/or jury, and I can't think of any obvious law that would preclude a finding of liability, particularly given the degree to which the event discouraged people from bringing their phones.

      No, cell phone bans are an absolutely stupid thing to do from a legal perspective. There are technical measures that can be taken to make recording harder (strong IR lights, for example), on-site security can confiscate phones used in violation of the rules, or for that matter, you could just recognize that it is a mostly harmless infringement of IP rights that doesn't impact the commercial viability of the event or the artist's music sales in any way, and just ignore it unless someone complains about the person in front of him/her blocking his/her view, and deal with that on a case by case basis. And none of those approaches will create the same sort of financial risk that cell phone bans create. That's why these sorts of policies just don't make sense.

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    52. Re:Liability? by bws111 · · Score: 1

      You're really stretching to try to make a point that can't be made. If there are not sufficient resources on-site, the on-site resources can request more! And 911 isn't going to send more resources just because you said so, they are going to let on-site make that call.

      If there is a venue that is so pathetic that their emergency plan is 'I hope someone has a cell phone and calls 911', then they probably should let you have your phone. But that is a purely contrived scenario and does not enter into this discussion.

      You have provided no evidence that a coordinated emergency response system is less effective than calling 911. None, just a lot of 'but but buts'.

      And if you want to talk about statistics and saving lives, don't forget to add in the other lives that were lost because 911 was busy handling calls that should not have been made in the first place.

    53. Re:Liability? by Holi · · Score: 1

      Imagine this, you're at a crowded concert, your partner collapses next to you. How do you get help? How do you get the attention of the staff? At times like those time is critical. The lawsuit whether they win or lose would be horrible PR and expensive to defend.

      Sorry but their copyright claim is worth far less then a persons life.

      On another note, will this increase their fire insurance since everyone will have to go back to holding lighters in the air?

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    54. Re:Liability? by Holi · · Score: 1

      This isn't about you annoying others with your phone calls. It is about the "artist" not wanting you to record any part of the event.

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    55. Re:Liability? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      And 911 isn't going to send more resources just because you said so, they are going to let on-site make that call.

      I doubt that dispatchers are authorized to make those decisions. But if they are, then you've still lost nothing by contacting them while you seek out venue security.

      If there is a venue that is so pathetic that their emergency plan is 'I hope someone has a cell phone and calls 911', then they probably should let you have your phone. But that is a purely contrived scenario and does not enter into this discussion.

      Uh... it happens all the time. I'd like to cite Boller v. Robert Woodruff Arts Ctr.,Inc. as an example of a lawsuit that arose precisely because a large concert venue did not do so. In that case, the venue was not held liable, because the venue did not cause or contribute to the peril. Had they banned cell phones, the results could have been very different.

      And if you want to talk about statistics and saving lives, don't forget to add in the other lives that were lost because 911 was busy handling calls that should not have been made in the first place.

      If your 911 center is so badly understaffed that handling a heart attack or stroke at a concert venue would cause multiple other lives to be lost, then you need to vote out all your elected officials. They're clearly not funding E911 sufficiently.

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    56. Re:Liability? by Cederic · · Score: 2

      Are you naive or stupid?

      CALL THE FUCKING ONESITE MEDICAL TEAM.

      They'll be there much much much much much much much much much quicker than a fucking ambulance AND they'll be a fuck of a lot better at guiding an ambulance to the incident than you would.

      Your blind faith in calling for an ambulance is pathetic, ignorant and helpless. Learn some fucking first aid.

    57. Re:Liability? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      I have a different experience. Open air "event" with inverted commas because it wasn't a proper organised event but rather a super large gathering. One guy fell off the makeshift stage and broke his leg. EMS was called. Probably by about 20 people at once. A few interesting things happened.

      - 3 Ambulances arrived to treat one person. I hope there wasn't something life threatening going on somewhere else.
      - The ambulance arrived within 2 minutes. It was close to 10 minutes before they actually found where the injured person was and were able to get to them.
      - Once the paramedics where on site they spent more time telling people to stop "helping" and just get out of the way.

      If this were life threatening the person may have died because everyone insists on playing a hero. I still hope to god no one did die somewhere else waiting on one of those 2 superfluous ambulances that we only received due to the utter chaos that ensues when multiple people call in the same incident with different information.

    58. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terrorists didn't exist back then. I need my phone because terrorists.

      I guess you were born a few years ago then....

      There were terrorists back then, and not just the ones that hijacked airplanes and flew them to Uganda.

      If you are so paranoid, how do you manage to get out and stay out of bed to work a productive life?

    59. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck is wrong with you. Do you really think that the six seconds to get directly to a paramedic at a fucking concert is going to be worse than a 15min 911 conversion? Have any of you scared shitless wonders ever even been in an emergency? like a real one, not JB feel of a fucking stage? 911 is not going to save a stroke victim or a heat attack at a concert. If your so god dam scared. Go live in a fucking hospital!

    60. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. So what the fuck is the person on the other end of a phone going to do? Yell louder? Use the fucking force? Jesus you scared cunts are fucking pussies. In life you may fucking die. Get over it and let the rest of us live our lives. You go camp next to a hospital just in case for the rest of your miserable life. Cus you know, you never know.

    61. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calling 911 in a crowded event is the absolute worst thing you could do.

      You lower the chances of survival drastically.

      Why are so many people so fucking clueless?

    62. Re:Liability? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Calling 911 in a crowded event is the absolute worst thing you could do.

      Destroying the entire universe is the absolute worst thing you could do. I think your scale needs a little recalibration....

      You lower the chances of survival drastically.

      So you're saying that by simultaneously contacting 911 and event security, you lower the chances of survival!?! That's such an absurd claim that it demands extraordinary proof. There's just no plausible way that requesting help from two different groups of people will have a worse outcome than asking for help from only one unless the two groups interfere with one other somehow. And unless you're in some hick town that only has one ambulance, your cell phone call isn't going to keep event security from requesting help. (If you are in some hick town with only one ambulance, the venue will be small enough that the security people will immediately see the person collapse, making the entire issue moot.)

      Calling 911 instead of event security would be one of the worst ways to get help, but I never said to do that.

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    63. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might as well jerk off while looking for staff. It is as useful as calling 911 and looking for staff.

      911 is going to call you a fucking retard and tell you to contact security.

      Dumbass

    64. Re:Liability? by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Well, yeah, once the guy having a heart attack or succumbing to a drug overdose has been thrown to the curb, EMS can get to them quicker.

      See. The "venue" really did have their customers' best interests in mind.

      /s

    65. Re:Liability? by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Please don't post about things you know about. Stop making sense.

      Oh, right: /s

    66. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before Cell phones, every public concert venue had readily available payphones. To make an emergency call, you picked up the payphone and dialed 911. How many working payphones do you find these days?

    67. Re:Liability? by Bromrrrrr · · Score: 1

      if your friend was having a medical emergency you would kill them.

      Well, why wait?

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    68. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you're this fucking braindead... One word negates your stupid fucking remark: GPS.

      The resolution is to fucking FEET. The moment 911 is called, they know where the fuck you are, the whole nine yards.

      Oh, but this is /. where every fucking knowitall can open their fucking mouth and gain instant credibility to shout down people. You presume a bunch of stupid fucking things that can't safely be presumed. Parameds are ***NOT*** actively at all venues at all events. It's an **OPTIONAL** thing, dumbfuck- the services of which are paid for by the event organizer and Ins. doesn't mandate the purchase thereof. Aaaand, it goes downhill rather rapidly from there.

    69. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, NO, it doesn't- nor does Ins. mandate it, surprisingly. Ever run an event? If not, shut the fuck up- you clearly don't know what you're talking about...out of box.

      And we have idiot mods calling this "insightful"- god, lay down the goddamn crack pipe already?

    70. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the organizers could call the stage, to stop the show and the lead vocal would declare to the public: "Please listen for a brief moment! There is a person amongst you in need of urgent medical help. Please help by crowd-surfing him in that direction where paramedics crew is awaiting, thank you!"

    71. Re:Liability? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I'm just waiting for the first time that the inability to make a 911 call quickly from one of these shows (heart attack, stroke, active shooter, etc.) results in someone's unnecessary death. After one lawsuit erases the benefits of the entire tour, the insurance companies will start levying huge surcharges for any shows that ban cellphones, and all this nonsense will take care of itself.

      If you have to be prepared for th eworst possible thing happening, consider that yout heart attack stroke might occur in the moiddle of teh throng of peopel.l, so that's pretty fucking irresponsible isn't it. They might die before you can get them outside.

      Better to camp out inside the emergency ward if we take that approach. Otherwise you can make up thousands of scenarios, such as the companies that produce traffic lights, all of the companies that let out during rush hour. Anything - any condition that makes for an uneeded death because of inconvenience.

      Make sure someone can listen and watch you screw, because you know hw many heart attacks happen then? Oh, and in public restroom stalls. Emergency responders told me that's a big one.

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    72. Re:Liability? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      We didn't used to have anesthesia and clean medical facilities, either, and people survived then, too.

      Just not very often.

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    73. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This makes me think of the people who choke to death because they're too embarassed to spit out the food. People always think "well, me acting in a crisis will always be better than this specially designed team!". Idiots.

    74. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C Mon, it is so that Alicia Keys and their organizer CAN dispatch all people in the saloon without a single call leaving the place! That should be obvious now that Africans suddenly became Beethoven-Bach and why did it take us so may centuries when they were so ANGELIC, eh? I feel there is something more hidden there, but nothing that cannot be erased with a few bullets... and all the runaways ended up being runaways after the concert... see what I mean?

    75. Re:Liability? by nasredin · · Score: 1

      Large concerts probably have defibrillator units and or police who probably have some medical training.

    76. Re:Liability? by DontTrustWhatIType · · Score: 1

      I agree with respect to all of your points. Fortunately, the number of cases in the US where there are mass emergencies is minuscule. Unfortunately, it fails to address cases such as:

      1. You are on-call for emergencies.

      2. You are party to an external emergency (loved one in car crash, you are part of an emergency response team which is kind of like being permanently on-call).

      3. You use your cell phone as a medical device (e.g., monitoring artificial pancreas function)

      I would probably not attend a concert that banned my cell phone for reasons (1) and (2), yet would LOVE to be at an even where no one took their phone out! We should just be allowed to bring wiffle bats and pummel anyone who holds their phone above their chest height. Even I don't need to take the call there -- I just need to know I have to step out of the concert. Back to pagers I guess!

      As more phones get validated for medical device usage, it will be interesting to see what happens in all paces that "ban" cell phones. We provide patients in clinical trials with the equivalent of a doctor's note for now.

    77. Re:Liability? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Bars are typically held liable for what their customers do when they leave when there are specific laws violated. Typically, it's illegal for a bartender to serve alcohol to someone who's sufficiently drunk already. Typically, there are no laws involving cell phones at performances.

      If you decide not to bring your phone because you don't want it bagged, that's your decision. If you then get into a situation where you really, really want your phone, that's a result of your decision. Can you cite a lawsuit in which event organizers were held liable because they discouraged or banned cell phones?

      Also, there are typically a lot of laws that an event organizer has to deal with, and I'd think some of them would consult a lawyer. If so, why do venues and events continue to discourage or ban phones? My guess would be that the legal risks is minimal at most.

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    78. Re:Liability? by houghi · · Score: 1

      That is why the Rolling Stones hired the Hells Angels. To protect the public.

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    79. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      911 gps systems might not be as good as you imagine they are.

    80. Re:Liability? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Try finding a public phone now dipstick :/.

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    81. Re:Liability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do I call them with?

  9. Is there a charge for it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do they charge for the bag? Or do they take a deposit or something? Otherwise I bet these bags will be taken home, taken apart and "cracked" about the first time they are used. Or someone will just poke a hole in the bag big enough for the camera lens and use an Apple Watch or similar device to trigger the camera.

  10. Coming in 3. . .2. . .1. . . by Salgak1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    . . . . a Bluetooth Camera/Audio pickup. Unless this "Yondr" bag is a dual-layered Faraday shield. . . .

    1. Re:Coming in 3. . .2. . .1. . . by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Why? You're implying there's a mass market for people desperate to bootleg this kind of material rather than just arseholes who have a phone and think they will ever do anything at all productive with a video which shining a light in the face of the person behind them.

      I don't know of anyone who goes to a concert with the intent to bootleg the show, yet I know of plenty of people who will pull out their phone with what I can only conclude was a thought process that went something like: "I know what will make this show better, watching it on a tiny shakey screen while recording shit audio and video instead of actually watching what's in front of me! I'm so rock and roll!"

    2. Re:Coming in 3. . .2. . .1. . . by powerlord · · Score: 1

      Definitely don't LOOK Faraday shielded.

      Best article I could find on what they are/how they work: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/10/i-let-yondr-lock-my-smartphone-in-a-sock-so-i-could-live-in-the-moment/

      They seem to basically be a cell-phone sized sleeve with a "security tag" style locking mechanism.

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    3. Re:Coming in 3. . .2. . .1. . . by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      There's a pretty big market for concert bootlegs. And there has been since audio recording was invented. Wikipedia suggests even longer than that.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    4. Re:Coming in 3. . .2. . .1. . . by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      There's a pretty big market for concert bootlegs.

      I'm sure there is. However there is precisely zero market for concert bootlegs taken on shaky shitty cellphones recording nothing but the sound of their own microphone clipping which is what pretty much every one of these cellphones is recording.

    5. Re:Coming in 3. . .2. . .1. . . by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Or just take a camera. Shit, my mobile phone has an excellent camera built in but it still can't get remotely close to the video or still images my actual camera can.

    6. Re:Coming in 3. . .2. . .1. . . by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      People will watch anything on YouTube.

      There is a market for bootlegs made with a cell phone simply paired with a microphone that doesn't suck. And it's probably easier to tell security guards to go for cell phones than it is to get them to look for all the things a microphone can look like.

    7. Re:Coming in 3. . .2. . .1. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We'll bag your phone if you want but you need to leave this weird camera thing in your car."

  11. Dear Alicia... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    if you cant sleep at night becuase you don't make enough money on cd's, streaming, downloads, concerts and merchandising, maybe you should contact Dr. Conrad Murray to help you sleep. Or, just go fuck yourself.

  12. Nothing technical about it. by will_die · · Score: 2

    For those wondering how they block the signal they don't.
    It is a just a bag with a lock on it, the phone operates like normal and if you don't put it on vibrate or no sound it will still ring.

    1. Re:Nothing technical about it. by powerlord · · Score: 2

      For those wondering how they block the signal they don't.
      It is a just a bag with a lock on it, the phone operates like normal and if you don't put it on vibrate or no sound it will still ring.

      Only now you won't be able to get to it, silence it, or shut it off?
      Great ... sounds like real "progress".

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    2. Re:Nothing technical about it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can probably use the phone normally if it has keys.

    3. Re:Nothing technical about it. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I would assume that at a concert, nobody will be able to hear a phone anyways. Concert noise levels at events like this probably push a hundred db or more, while a cell phone ringtone is probably only about 60 to 70 db.

      If you have to shout to a person who is right beside you for them to hear what you are saying, what makes you think you'd hear a cell phone ring?

    4. Re:Nothing technical about it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for those wondering how to unlock it.... Carry a neodymium magnet with you to the concert.

    5. Re:Nothing technical about it. by loganljb · · Score: 1

      While you're probably correct in general, that's not really always a valid assumption.

      At small venues, it's quite possible to hear an annoying cell phone ringing. I was at an Indigo Girls concert recently, and Lucy Wainwright Roche opened for them (really good, and hilarious, by the way). During one part of her performance, she was speaking to the audience (small venue, remember?), and someone's cell phone a few rows back from the front started ringing. Lucy heard the ringing just fine, and asked the person to go ahead and answer the phone so that we could all talk to them. It was pretty darned funny, and hopefully quite embarrassing for the culprit.

    6. Re:Nothing technical about it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would assume that at a concert, nobody will be able to hear a phone anyways.

      They will during that awkward silence. Especially if your ringtone is Apple Bottom Jeans.

    7. Re:Nothing technical about it. by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Alicia is the Keys.

  13. Emergency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happens if there is an emergency?

    1. Re:Emergency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      According to most comments so far, you just fucking die.

    2. Re:Emergency? by TroII · · Score: 1

      What happens if there is an emergency?

      The cell towers and 911 system don't get overloaded by 10,000 people trying to call simultaneously, that's what.

    3. Re:Emergency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You surely would, because there's no possible way that the venue could get hold of emergency services, and there's no way that wouldn't be better than 80,000 random concert-goers all calling at once and spouting confusing and contradictory information to the authorities.

      Also, emergencies at concerts were inevitably fatal before the advent of smartphones.

    4. Re:Emergency? by butchersong · · Score: 1

      I'm not particularly concerned about myself and the ability to call out but I do like the ability to receive calls or texts in emergencies. Oops, the babysitter accidentally sliced off one of the kids arms.. there are circumstances in which I'd decide to cut the concert short.

  14. Bagel Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long to wait? I predict 5 minutes.

  15. Maybe I'm missing something by PingSpike · · Score: 1

    Can't you just cut this open with a pocket knife?

    I even RTFA but it was not helpful on that question.

    Perhaps they're just relying on most people not doing that and making it easier to enforce since there will be few people to chase down.

    I like the guy whining that in this day and age the cell phone is how he remembers. Apparently, at least some humans consider their wetware memories an archaic vestigial device.

    1. Re:Maybe I'm missing something by mrlinux11 · · Score: 1

      Well the last concert I went to I had to pass through a metal detector, so I knife might not make it through. However I bet it could be wedged in a tight spot and be ripped open.

    2. Re:Maybe I'm missing something by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      i would enjoy returning a shredded bag on my way out

    3. Re:Maybe I'm missing something by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Can't you just cut this open with a pocket knife?

      I even RTFA but it was not helpful on that question.

      Sure, but given that the bag is the property of the venue, you can be charged with willful destruction of property. And bringing a knife to a concert too, which I'm sure is against at least some municipal laws.

      Perhaps they're just relying on most people not doing that and making it easier to enforce since there will be few people to chase down.

      Yes, I'm sure that this cuts down on the number enough that it's easier to enforce the rule on the rest. Toss out the fucktards with no refund - they knew the rules before they went in, and chose to ignore them and circumvent them.

      To anyone so dependent on their phones: Just don't go. Save the money and use it on a shrink instead.

    4. Re:Maybe I'm missing something by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

      Also what about cleanliness? Do they get sent out for cleaning, and new ones brought in, like gym towels do? (Well, at leaest that's what they do at the gym I go to).?

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  16. No shit by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And before someone starts complaining about "But we didn't used to have cellphones!" no we didn't, now we do: It's called progress. One thing that has helped emergency response times quite a bit in high income nations is the proliferation of mobile phones. When something happens emergency services can be notified in seconds, and get the response rolling that much faster.

    Happened when I was in a car accident. I was dazed for maybe 20-30 seconds, then got my phone out and called for help. They had fire responders on scene in under 2 minutes, police 30 seconds later and EMS in about 4. In that case, it didn't matter, everyone was fine other than bruises, but had there been something serious, it is much more likely it could have been dealt with. The only reason the response was so fast was that it was in a populated area, and that I was able to call for help almost immediately.

    To me it seems like the concert issue is one of acceptable behaviour, not the phones themselves. It is using them in inappropriate ways. Well the answer there isn't "take them away" or "lock them up" it is to let people know what is and isn't allowed, and to enforce that by removing people if necessary. People can learn, it turns out, and most can understand what rules apply to what social situation and obey them. There are those that can't and you have to deal with them, but you do it on an individual basis not by something like this.

    1. Re:No shit by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Happened when I was in a car accident. I was dazed for maybe 20-30 seconds, then got my phone out and called for help. They had fire responders on scene in under 2 minutes, police 30 seconds later and EMS in about 4. In that case, it didn't matter, everyone was fine other than bruises, but had there been something serious, it is much more likely it could have been dealt with. The only reason the response was so fast was that it was in a populated area, and that I was able to call for help almost immediately.

      My Ford Explorer & my wife's Ford Escape have a 9-1-1 assist mode that will call 9-1-1 automatically if you're in an accident. I'd imagine that the majority of newer cars would have it as well. Since I've owned mostly jalopies for the past 15 years, I was very pleased to see that as a feature.

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    2. Re:No shit by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Concerts have ambulances and crew literally standing by, as in parked righ outside the venue. Unless you have the cell number for one of the paramedics, you are wasting your time doing anything but flagging security.

      I don't go to concerts, but if you would rather some idiot call 911 while you're dying of a heart attack, that's your business.

    3. Re:No shit by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      Advancements in car safety are great. When you look at the stats on car deaths despite number of miles drive per year going up, death rate just keeps dropping. It isn't because people are better drivers, but because we've managed to build in so many safety features in to cars. I love it.

      I'd never heard of that 911 feature until your post. Something like that is wonderful because it means even if you are completely incapacitated EMS is summoned quickly.

    4. Re:No shit by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Concerts have ambulances and crew literally standing by, as in parked righ outside the venue. Unless you have the cell number for one of the paramedics, you are wasting your time doing anything but flagging security.

      Depends on the size of the venue, the state where the concert is happening, and how many people are in need of medical care simultaneously. For example, at one show, there were a whopping 36 people transported by ambulance. I guarantee that no venue has 36 ambulances waiting around just in case 36 people collapse.

      So as I said, a smart person does both. In an ideal world, you would not need to, but we do not live in an ideal world.

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    5. Re:No shit by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      And what do you think is going to garner the fastest response?

      a) calling 911 from your cell phone during a Stones concert, and shouting into the mouth piece

      b) flagging down security, who radio the on-site first responders, who radio directly into dispatch and request additional personnel, who are probably already briefed on the concert, how to get there, where to go to pick up patients, and so on, and who are available to perform on-site stabilization and treatment while waiting for the additional personnel?

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    6. Re:No shit by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      And what do you think is going to garner the fastest response?

      Fast response is only one part of the problem. Fast response is critical for heart attacks because it gets you defibrillation more quickly. But after that initial response, survivability is still strongly correlated with fast arrival at a hospital. And for strokes, there's not much you can do in the field other than give oxygen, because you need to know whether it's a bleed or a clot, and if you guess wrong, you've just killed the patient.

      So I maintain my original assertion, which is that the best approach is to simultaneously notify event security and 911. In theory, if you had to choose one, then yes, notify event security and skip the 911 call, but that's just not a realistic scenario unless some greedy record company locks up your cell phone....

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    7. Re:No shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad Ford doesn't sponsor concerts.

    8. Re:No shit by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      One thing that has helped emergency response times quite a bit in high income nations is the proliferation of mobile phones. When something happens emergency services can be notified in seconds, and get the response rolling that much faster.

      Two things are needed for effective emergency response:
      1. Timely information about incidents.
      2. Accurate information about incidents.

      Mobile phones have helped the former but have absolutely screwed over the latter which is exactly why if you're in a large event in public with organised security teams your first point of call should NEVER be the ambulance. Not only will you do nothing but tie up the dispatch operators but you'll likely get help significantly faster if you just let the venue itself initiate it's emergency management process.

    9. Re:No shit by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      And by calling 911 you're not helping fast arrival at a hospital. Large venues have emergency management procedures. All you're doing by calling 911 is confusing a dispatch operator. If you're lucky you may end up with an ambulance with no idea which of the 20 gates to use to get into the venue. Do you know the layout? Can you guide the people in? Are you able to clear a path for the paramedics? Do you have the facility to turn on lights?

      If you answered no to any of the above questions then you're not helping by attempting to bypass the local emergency management procedures that all venues have. And I say this as someone who had a lovely birds eye view of an ambulance who arrived at an open venue with an extremely large crowd within minutes of an incident and yet took a good 10 minutes to find the casualty and actually fight their way to them.

      Even if there's no ambulance on standby, the emergency management plan of the venue is still much better than anything you think you can do to help when calling 911.

    10. Re:No shit by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Even if there's no ambulance on standby, the emergency management plan of the venue is still much better than anything you think you can do to help when calling 911.

      That's just not true. Getting an ambulance rolling while you're on your way to notify security means that the ambulance arrives minutes sooner. No matter how good the venue's emergency plan is, unless they immediately spot the victim and call 911 in less time than it takes you to pull out your cell phone, they've delayed getting the person to the hospital when compared with the ideal situation of having one person talking to 911 and getting advice for immediate short-term aid while another person fetches the in-house first responders, and getting an ambulance rolling immediately rather than waiting until you're able to get the in-house security to contact them. Even if that results in only a one-minute delay in care, that can make the difference between life and death. And if nobody around you knows CPR, that extra delay can be even more catastrophic.

      If you answered no to any of the above questions then you're not helping by attempting to bypass the local emergency management procedures that all venues have.

      Nobody's bypassing anything. I'm talking about using both approaches in parallel to minimize the delay waiting for an ambulance, then transferring control to a person who can answer "yes" to all of your questions.

      If you're lucky you may end up with an ambulance with no idea which of the 20 gates to use to get into the venue.

      That's just not a likely scenario unless you get cut off. The E911 dispatcher is supposed to stay on the line until emergency personnel arrive at your location. While you're talking to them, you should be finding a security person who can get the on-site first responders to the victim. Then, you should hand your phone to that security person, who in turn can either tell the 911 dispatcher which gate the ambulance should go to or tell the 911 dispatcher the number for the venue's security operations center and hand off responsibility to them. This isn't hard, or at least it shouldn't be.

      But even if you're correct most of the time, everything you just said would still be largely irrelevant. In a civil suit, they would have to prove that there was no real possibility that the person would have lived without the cell phone ban. That's just not provable (even to a "preponderance of evidence" standard) unless there's already an empty ambulance waiting outside, unless the patient would have died no matter what, or unless the call to 911 began within seconds after the person collapsed. If your event security is that good, awesome. Otherwise....

      And as I said elsewhere, the event need not occur in the venue for the venue to be held liable. By discouraging cell phones (both in the venue and in cars by putting "we will not be held liable for theft from your car" in the terms and conditions for your tickets), they're increasing the chances of people leaving phones at home, which could cause someone to die unnecessarily in a car wreck while driving to or from the event. Event security doesn't even play a role in that situation, but the event's policies contributed to it, which means that the event/venue could potentially be held liable for damages in a civil suit.

      These policies should not be allowed, for precisely the same reason that cell phone jammers are illegal (well, one of the two reasons, anyway).

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    11. Re:No shit by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      You've missed my original point. Which is more likely to 'get the ambulance rolling' fastest, but more importantly, *get it to where it needs to be* fastest? You dialing into 911, or the event staff notifying the on-site EMS who then use the inside track to get an ambulance to where it needs to be? Or event staff simply having that inside track to medical personnel who have been briefed that there's a major event, and are on some sort of standby?

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    12. Re:No shit by Gussington · · Score: 1

      And before someone starts complaining about "But we didn't used to have cellphones!" no we didn't, now we do: It's called progress.

      Having fuckwits waving their phone in your face at a concert isn't progress. If you are concerned that a medical emergency may arise that you can't respond to quickly enough, you know you can always like, you know, not buy a ticket?

    13. Re:No shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Happened when I was in a car accident. I was dazed for maybe 20-30 seconds, then got my phone out and called for help. They had fire responders on scene in under 2 minutes, police 30 seconds later and EMS in about 4. In that case, it didn't matter, everyone was fine other than bruises

      So, basically what you're saying is that due to cell phones, emergency services now have to respond to all these situations where there's no need at all for them to be there. And in case you had had severe internal bleeding, the fact that you were out for 20-30 seconds, probably would mean you wouldn't come back at all. (See, I can also make extreme scenarios out of a situation where nothing happened.)

      (...) had there been something serious, it is much more likely it could have been dealt with. The only reason the response was so fast was that it was in a populated area, and that I was able to call for help almost immediately.

      And since you were in a populated area, the need for a cell phone was basically zero. Had you been in a terrible accident 40 years ago, one of the people working on the shops around, or living in front of where you were, would have been able to call 911 as well.

      Yes, we get it, phones are amazing and you love yours. But don't make them more important than they are. And in case you think cell phones truly helped the emergency services, look up John Oliver's recent segment on 911 response services to change your mind.

    14. Re:No shit by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What most of us mean by "heart attack" is a physical constriction or blockage in a coronary artery ("myocardial infarction"). Defibrillation is going to do nothing. What they did for me is rush me to the catheter lab, where they stuck a tube in my groin and pulled the clot out. I felt the pain go away almost immediately.

      As I understand it, the common defibrillator will do its own checking, and will fire off if it thinks the shock warranted, so they won't do any harm to a heart attack victim. There are heart problems that can be stopped with a defibrillator, but not all of them.

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  17. Future: Forgot to get phone out of bag, now what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Future Concert Goer: I went to concert, had phone put into bag by security. Had fun time especially without people holding their phones above their head or talking on phone during concert. I went home and next morning tried to use my phone and it was still in the bag. Now how do I get it out of the bag? Is there some time-out where the bag will unlock automatically or do I have to go back to concert venue and have them open bag or do I have to mail it to Artist and pay them a fee to unlock bag?

  18. Worth noting with regards to Alicia Keys by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    If you follow a chain of links, it appears that she used this for a show at the Highline Ballroom in NYC. It holds about 700 people. The other musical act mentioned, The Limineers, is a group I've never heard of but they seem to be playing a ton of festivals and mostly smaller amphitheaters. Other users include various comedians. I'll be impressed when someone who can draw tens of thousands of people to see them is willing to do it and risk pissing their fans off. Let me know if Kanye ever decides to try this. I'll be really interested to see what the reaction is.

    1. Re:Worth noting with regards to Alicia Keys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you know? Kanye gave Alecia the idea when he was making her famous. Thats after he invented the internet (sorry Al Gore) and cured world hunger.

      #KanyeTheAssPirate

    2. Re:Worth noting with regards to Alicia Keys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but Kanye didn't invent the internet. It came out of Kim Kardashian ass.

  19. You've found my only weakness! by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 1

    Looking up the tech it's just a cloth bag... Scissors. Their fancy "lock mechanism" has been defeated with fucking scissors. Good job.

    1. Re:You've found my only weakness! by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Except that this is probably more about minimizing the workload of the bouncers than it is about making it physically impossible to get to your phone.

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    2. Re:You've found my only weakness! by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 1

      Easy to counter that. Require the user to leave credit card details when they take the bag. Inform bag holders if they fail to return the bag intact they will be charged a replacement fee. If they bought their ticket online you might already have those details, just make note of their ticket number. Actually, this could also be used to discourage scalping, come to think of it...

    3. Re:You've found my only weakness! by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

      And people would just trust something important like a credit card #s to just any old bouncer, or security personnel? I sure as hell couldn't.

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    4. Re:You've found my only weakness! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      like the CC# comp will say that $50 in beer that the bouncer using your card billed was not you change back denied

  20. Re:Future: Forgot to get phone out of bag, now wha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scissors.

  21. Weird Al is the opposite by Burdell · · Score: 4, Informative

    I saw Weird Al Yankovic this past weekend. Entering the venue, we were specifically told that we could use cell phones if we liked. Part of his show involved everybody getting their cell phone out and waving them over their head - we all have cell phones, so c'mon, let's get real!

    1. Re:Weird Al is the opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's an interesting approach, though I imagine it would end up being hard to see anything at all though? All those bright screens in your face. My biggest issue is with people recording stuff on iPads, holding them up for the entire duration and obscuring my view..

    2. Re:Weird Al is the opposite by ProzacPatient · · Score: 1

      Was that the show in Greensboro, NC on Saturday?

      I was there and I have to admit I don't go to concerts often, in fact this was my first Weird Al concert, so I took some pictures and a couple of discreet video clips (kept the phone low with low brightness so as not to annoy the people behind me) for my own memories but some of the people there were holding their cell phones way up in front of other people with full brightness probably to only end up on YouTube.

    3. Re:Weird Al is the opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saw Penn & Teller a month ago, they said pretty much the same thing. They even used a couple of cellphones from the audience in their act.

    4. Re:Weird Al is the opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A lot of people go to only one or two concerts in their lifetime, I can understand it's a special event for them that they want to capture pictures from so I don't really think much of it. It might only be the frequent concert goers that get upset.

    5. Re:Weird Al is the opposite by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      I saw Weird Al Yankovic ... his show involved everybody getting their cell phone out and waving them over their head ... so c'mon, let's get real!

      The point of his show ... you missed it. Spectacularly!

      For future reference the hint is in the term "parody."

    6. Re:Weird Al is the opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weird Al is a God to me so I'm not surprised.

    7. Re:Weird Al is the opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saw Prince at the Forum in LA as part of the 21 night tour and he did the same thing: "Wave you phone in the air!" It was such an easy way to interact with crowd and the whole forum lit up like a blinking lights on a Christmas Tree. Very cool.

    8. Re:Weird Al is the opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One more reason that Weird Al is my favorite artist: He sees his fans as supporting him not dragging him down. Glad I have no idea who Alicia Keys is. I'll stick with Weird Al, MC++, Monzy, MC Chris and other nerd core bands.

    9. Re:Weird Al is the opposite by Burdell · · Score: 1

      I suggest you go search for "Weird Al we all have cellphones".

    10. Re:Weird Al is the opposite by Burdell · · Score: 1

      I saw his Friday show in Huntsville, AL. Some people around me were taking pictures and/or video occasionally during the show, but nothing distracting to me (since the backdrop was dark, their screens weren't particularly bright).

      I don't get trying to video a significant part of a performance though, especially with a cell phone; just like some people on vacations, you end up looking at a small blurry screen instead of the actual event/place/whatever in front of you.

    11. Re:Weird Al is the opposite by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Oh I've seen it. I suggest you remember who this is we're talking about and remember what to think about an artist which has made his entire living calling out the incredibly stupid shit people do through parody.

  22. mixed by Quirkz · · Score: 2

    In the conflict between people who don't understand how much of a nuisance they are with their phones, and the people who are self-righteously snooty about how other people use their phones, I'm not sure there's a clear winner. I can see the impulse from both sides, a little, but in the long run I think I'm going to say this goes down as a dumb policy.

    1. Re:mixed by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Well, seeing as this policy imposes on everyone, not just the people who behave obnoxiously, in order to cater to the self-righteously snooty; it's definitely a bod policy. If someone's being an ass and continuously blocking others' views... as opposed to someone just taking a quick picture; stuck-up, pretentious, "live in the moment or you're not living" wannabe philosophers can bite my shiny metal ass... then the thing to do is have a bouncer tell them to knock it off. And if he doesn't listen, eject him. Or relocate him. The Grateful Dead, for example, had a specific section set aside at their concerts for people who wanted to record. But don't punish everyone for the actions of a minority.

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    2. Re:mixed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. If you're missing on the concert and mucking around on Facebook, I don't care. I only care if you're ruining the experience for me - sticking your phone up into my sight-line, or making obnoxiously bright light that makes it hard for me to see what's happening.

      And I'd be righteously pissed at the queue at the end to go through to get my phone back. How many people are leaving in what time frame? What if I leave and my phone is still locked in some stupid bag? How do I get my phone out?

      Honestly, I cynically think it's far more likely this is an effort to stop videos getting on YouTube. (Real cynical view: Do these big stars really care that much about the fan experience?)

    3. Re:mixed by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      but in the long run I think I'm going to say this goes down as a dumb policy

      Why? You think it's a dumb policy so let us know why.

    4. Re:mixed by Gussington · · Score: 1

      But don't punish everyone for the actions of a minority.

      So not having your phone for 2 hours is now considered "punishment"?
      If you don't like it, don't go. Is it that hard?

  23. fake phone? by irrational_design · · Score: 1

    Why not just bring 2 phones? Have your fake phone put into the bag while your real phone stays out?

    1. Re:fake phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can tweet about how unfair it was that you got kicked out of the concert.

    2. Re:fake phone? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Why would a person get kicked out of the concert if they didn't happen to try and use their phone during the concert? Presumably, if something urgent enough came up that they needed to use their phone, they probably wouldn't have cared if they got kicked out.

      However, it is human nature to resent being locked up or having one's freedom taken away, even if a person doesn't have anywhere else to be at the time, and I think that the objection to putting people's cell phones in bags to keep them from using them is similarly driven.

  24. How do they even know you have a cell phone? by mark-t · · Score: 2

    Or are we talking about airport-like security scans where thye xray your belongings and make you pass through a metal detector?

    1. Re:How do they even know you have a cell phone? by Maxwell · · Score: 1

      yes just like at the airport. been that way for years now.

    2. Re:How do they even know you have a cell phone? by ProzacPatient · · Score: 1

      Yes the process was just like the TSA; you have to empty all your pockets and remove all jewelry/accessories (rings, glasses, watches, earrings, etc..) onto a table, get a metal detector wanded all over you and if you have any bags or anything, like a pocketbook as some women have, the security personnel will demand to paw through it without gloves (which seems like more a hazard to them).

      The concert I went to this past weekend though they had some guy at the beginning of the entrance line telling everyone what they can and cannot do and he made a big point about no weapons allowed, however I noticed that none of the security personnel were armed and there were no police officers at the venue so I'm curious as to what they would have done if one of them actually did find a weapon let alone someone deranged.

    3. Re:How do they even know you have a cell phone? by Githaron · · Score: 1

      I'm curious as to what they would have done if one of them actually did find a weapon let alone someone deranged.

      Die. They would die. I don't know why trained, armed security isn't standard in all large venues these days. Probably money and politics.

    4. Re:How do they even know you have a cell phone? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      How do they even know?

      It's 2016. The question is not whether you have a cell phone, it's HOW MANY cell phones you have.

  25. How durable are they? by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

    I wonder how durable these bags are. Wildly guessing, I'd speculate that if they're cheap enough to hand out on mass numbers, they're also made of light enough materials to be torn open by hand, or cut into with, perhaps, the extraneous key I have on my keychain for when I'm tempted to pry or screw something with a key but don't want to muck up one of the keys that actually open things I care about. One thing I do know, is that if any venue tries this stunt with me, and I can't tear the bag open, it's going home with me to be cut open and shredded there.

    If you want to be a pretentious "live in the moment or you're not living", "photographs make your memories inauthentic", and "disconnect from the world, open your eyes, smash your cell phone" type, fine. Don't use your own cell phone. Don't try to shove your freshman-level philosophy class down my throat.

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    1. Re:How durable are they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it's all about pretentious philosophy. Nothing to do with stupid ringing phones or people recording the concert without permission.

  26. Logistics??? by perry64 · · Score: 1

    So after the concert, everyone has to go back through the turnstiles to get their bags unlocked and returned to the promoter? What if someone says they left their phone in the car so they don't need a bag - are they searched? Do people need to surrender something like a license to get a bag? If not, what prevents them from either leaving with the bag or ripping it open during the show, making the process much more expensive for the performer/promoter? What about people who can't bear to be out of contact with their kids caregiver even for the length of a show? I would guess that the bag makes vibration less effective, and they are unlikely to ever hear ringing at a concert. (I wouldn't have an issue with it, but don't respond that they should put up with it since it was common in my day - people's expectations have changed.)

    I can understand this more for comedians - a leak of their material is much more important, since the difference between hearing their material on a smartphone or live is pretty small, so long as the audio is good enough to understand. However, the difference between being at a concert and watching someone's cell phone video of a concert is so large that I can't imagine anyone saying, "No, I don't need to go see Alicia (or whomever) - the cell phone video was just as good as being there."

  27. Killing Millenials! by tekrat · · Score: 0

    Oh Noes! How can Millenials exist for 5 minutes without accessing their devices? It's like asking someone to remove their right arm to enter a concert!

    California is already considering a special lane for highways where they will be allowed to text and drive.

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    1. Re:Killing Millenials! by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

      Of course, this is about the entire generation, and not a case of some subset of the group, and an example of usual government stupidity. Right. *facepalms*

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  28. It's not about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I paid for the ticket... I can use my experience how I wish (within reason).
    I can watch the show.
    I can take a nap.
    I can ignore you and watch a sporting event.
    I can ignore you and listen to another band's music.
    I can promote you by tossing a clip or two up on Twitter/you tube, etc.

    I can't yell 'Fire!'
    I can't punch/grope, etc. the person next to me (without their expressed, unintoxicated, permission).

    If you (performer) are worried about your precious concert getting 'out' - do what the Grateful Dead did - embrace it. They still sold a ton of records and had arguably the most loyal fan base of any act - ever!

    I purchased the ticket and (in the US) have every right to promote or snub you as I see fit. AK can take her ego and stuff it into one of those little phone bags and get on with it.

    Fred in IT

    1. Re:It's not about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad to hear I have the right to shove an iPad set to max brightness in your face for the duration of the concert. I paid for it, I can ruin your experience as much as I want, apparently.

  29. What site is this anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN???

    People aren't dropping dead at concerts and being revived by your smartphones. Jezus.

  30. Tyvek by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Probably made from Tyvek. Very cheap, but cannot be torn, can be cut with scissors easily however.

    "Slow down cowboy, it's been 30 minutes since you last posted a comment...."

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    1. Re:Tyvek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tyvek is plastic construction wrap that has a permeable membrane for moisture control and is easily torn.

      I think you meant Kevlar, or something else...

    2. Re:Tyvek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tyvek rips pretty easily. Every Tyvek suit I have ever worn gets a rip the first use.

  31. "That's not a cell phone" by davidwr · · Score: 1

    *holds non-cellular iPad in his hand*

    "That's a pocket-sized computer with a camera, mic, and speaker that happens to have a WiFi connection to the cell phone in my car!"

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    1. Re:"That's not a cell phone" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your iPad can maintain a wifi connection to a phone in a metal box surrounded by dozens of other metal boxes some distance outside a large scale noise-damped structure, I'd like to know where you bought it.

  32. So glad... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    I'd never go to these performers (refuse to call them "artists") concerts....

  33. Just wait for some one needs to dial 911 and can't by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    Just wait for some one needs to dial 911 and can't due to an locked bag. Also how far will the search for phones go? pad downs? strip search?

  34. Simple to circumvent by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

    Unless they are going to frisk everybody, just bring two phones. When they ask if you have a phone, serve up the dummy.

    1. Re:Simple to circumvent by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Let me ask you this: What is it that you need your phone for at a concert anyway?

      The main annoyance that I can think of is that you will not be able to find your friends who arrived separately but are already in the building/venue.

      That is easily solved by just meeting somewhere outside before going in.

      That really is it. That is the only thing I have used a phone for at a concert other than to snap some pics or a short video. Obviously, it is not necessary for me to have that video and if the artist doesn't want me to take pics, why should I argue? If I want to "prove" that I was there, I can just snap a pic of my ticket stub or the outside of the venue.

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    2. Re:Simple to circumvent by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

      The question should be what is the problem of having a cell phone at a concert? Obviously, there are jerks who will do obnoxious things with them, but then address those people. Why should people who aren't being disruptive with their cell phone be denied having it?

    3. Re:Simple to circumvent by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Why should people who aren't being disruptive with their cell phone be denied having it?

      The same reason we block NASCAR drivers from going 100+ MPH on the highway, even though they could do so safely. Or forbid any number of actions that can be used irresponsibly. Because the rules cannot say "you can use a cellphone, unless you're an ass about it." Every type of being an ass must be codified To the point where sometimes its far easier to say "don't bring a cellphone" instead of "read this 100 page booklet on appropriate cellphone use."

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    4. Re:Simple to circumvent by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

      Why should people who aren't being disruptive with their cell phone be denied having it?

      The same reason we block NASCAR drivers from going 100+ MPH on the highway, even though they could do so safely. Or forbid any number of actions that can be used irresponsibly. Because the rules cannot say "you can use a cellphone, unless you're an ass about it." Every type of being an ass must be codified To the point where sometimes its far easier to say "don't bring a cellphone" instead of "read this 100 page booklet on appropriate cellphone use."

      NASCAR cars are not street legal, so they can't be driven on public highways. Second, speed limit laws are ultimately enacted through the legislative process (not directly by the legislators, but by the authority the legislators give those who set them). As such, speed limits are set by the will of the people.

      Here is a novel idea, if it is not acceptable to use a cell phone at such a venue, then Apple and Google should just disable the unacceptable features. Of course, they won't do that, because the reality is that it is not unacceptable. What is unacceptable is being a nuisance or obnoxious all personal behaviors. People acting like this isn't new. Most of the photos seen from Woodstock were taken with unapproved recording devices. The investigation of the Kennedy assassination relied on unapproved recording devices. The shooting in Orlando, again, much information is coming from unapproved recording devices. Simply put, there is ample case law that allows people in a public venue to take pictures or record what is going on as fair use. Of course, that doesn't give them the right to put their personal photos and recordings on line (ie. they have no fair use right to redistribute).

      In short, if people taking pictures or recording events is a problem because it is a distraction, then the the event security should ask them to stop and if they don't have them leave, just like they do for any other disorderly conduct. If the problem is that people are posting these videos online, there are already ample laws to have the content taken down. In short, it is far better to address the person exhibiting the undesired behavior than it is to inconvenience everybody.

  35. Total Cost by ftldelay · · Score: 1

    I'm sure the venues will LOVE the extra cost of buying all these bags and all the extra work for their staff to lock/unlock them. Everyone has a phone now, so the larger the crowd, the longer this takes and more expensive. It takes long enough to get out of the parking lot of these larger venues, so getting in and out taking twice as long isn't going to work out so well... They've gotta pay their staff to work longer for this extra work as well.

  36. The opposite of the last concert I was at by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Granted, I haven't been to an arena concert in over a decade, but the last concert I was at (a non-arena concert last fall) they were happy to have fas taking pictures with their phones. I've seen other performances from the band I saw posted online that were shot with varying degrees of consumer hardware, and the artists have never (to the best of my knowledge) protested against it. I guess I just run with a different crowd or something.

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  37. You're gonna need .... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... a bigger bag for my phone.

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  38. Local cell tower for 911 by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    You can call emergency numbers even without a SIM card. I'm sure it would be possible to have a local cell at the venue, providing a strong signal so that phones wouldn't use any other service, and it would only enable emergency calls. Security staff would of course have some other kind of radio comms.

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    1. Re:Local cell tower for 911 by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      You are assuming the only kind of emergency involves you needing to call 911. Perhaps the babysitter/hospital is trying to reach you to tell you that your kid fell down the stairs, is at the ER, and they need your consent to operate / put him on a helicopter to another hospital. Perhaps you are a volunteer firefighter and there is a fire.

    2. Re:Local cell tower for 911 by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      I think the FCC will say no to that idea.

    3. Re:Local cell tower for 911 by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      You are assuming the only kind of emergency involves you needing to call 911. Perhaps the babysitter/hospital is trying to reach you to tell you that your kid fell down the stairs, is at the ER, and they need your consent to operate / put him on a helicopter to another hospital. Perhaps you are a volunteer firefighter and there is a fire.

      Good point. But as for the firefighter, if you need to be on call, you shouldn't be going to a place where phones are banned in the first place.

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    4. Re:Local cell tower for 911 by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      Depending on the area, firefighters can effectively always be on call. We have an all volunteer department and they only ever have one or two guys actually at the station (typically the college students who live there). If the live ins are out, the station is empty. If something happens, they call in everyone, go to the station, then head out to the call. There is an app that they use to alert everyone to the call and track who is responding.

      But except for the night that you sleep at the station, volunteer firefighters have pretty normal lives. They have jobs, families, go to concerts, etc. And when someone sets their house on fire or crashes their car, they drop everything.

  39. BOYCOTT HER SHOWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stupid.

    She thinks she is such a special Earth nugget that everybody's lives have to change for her purse?

    First of all, if you bring your phone you can turn it off. Secondly, who at a concert do you trust with your phone? Some tweaks in clean clothes?? Hey just put it in the pouch kid. Torrent all of her old shit until you can't stand her voice.

    1. Re:BOYCOTT HER SHOWS by Holi · · Score: 1

      I've been doing that for years.

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  40. Re:Just wait for some one needs to dial 911 and ca by EvilSS · · Score: 1

    Just wait for some one needs to dial 911 and can't due to an locked bag. Also how far will the search for phones go? pad downs? strip search?

    What can a call to 911 accomplish that flagging the venue security couldn't? If anything it would slow down response time since most big venues have onsite first responders who can help right away. As for how, maybe a little thing called a metal detector?

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  41. Bluetooth earpiece bypasses their bag by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

    It's just a neoprene bag. It won't block bluetooth, it won't disable your smart watch or bluetooth/WiFi tethered camera.

  42. This is totally not going to work by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    The problem is sheer logistics. So fans are streaming into a concert venue, and you're going to stop each person, search for cellphones wherever they might be carried, and put them into bags. Some irreducible number of people will claim a medical need to stay in touch with someone at home, such as a baby about to arrive, so notes from doctors will have to be parsed and judged in real time. With the best of intentions, a few phones are going to get dropped or stepped on during the bagging process. It will be like going through the airport, and fans are going to react accordingly. I predict a horrible mess, followed by the realization that unless there are body scanners in use, a lot of phones will slip through anyway.

    So is the motive to enforce a device etiquette which is sorting itself out anyway, as it does after the introduction of any new tech, or is Keys defending her IP by preventing photography? If there is any suspicion that it's the latter, her live performances will now take place in empty halls. She will end up being worse off than all those other performers whose brand is kept current by fuzzy amateur videos on YouTube.

    1. Re:This is totally not going to work by Holi · · Score: 1

      "Some irreducible number of people will claim a medical need to stay in touch with someone at home, such as a baby about to arrive, so notes from doctors will have to be parsed and judged in real time."
      Have a no exceptions rule. No one NEEDS to see Alicia Keys.

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  43. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a short-sighted and half-baked idea. I'd rather others not be using their phones at a concert because it's distracting. People concerned with videoing/recording "ripping off the artist" don't get it. It's way cheaper for fans to buy recorded music and videos ("free", often, in the case of YouTube), so it's not about getting a recording of the song/performance, it's about recording the experience, which isn't any good to anyone who didn't go. If anything, fans sending videos to friends is free advertisement and a boon to the performer's ticket sales in the future.

    There are always some jerks who won't do reasonable things they're asked to do, but if a performer asks fans to not irritate others by messing with their phones during the performance and a lot of the fans ignore the request, that says something about the performer's fans and hence something about the performer.

  44. Continuous glucose monitoring on your smart phone by PongStroid · · Score: 1

    More info here: http://integrateddiabetes.com/dexcom-g5-not-just-a-matter-of-convenience/

    The Yondr bag will definitely cause issues if someone uses their phone and a CGMS transmitter to monitor, and react to, their blood glucose. There are work-arounds, like bringing a separate non-phone receiver, bringing a separate meter, leaving the concert to have security let you check your Bg, or not going to the concert at all.

    I'm certain there are some ADA concerns here that nobody has touched on yet. Also certain that the security people who enforce putting your phone in a bag do not have a protocol for this situation.

  45. The real question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who is Alicia Keys?

  46. Nah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congrats to the founder of yondr (cool name, bro) for getting some sweet VC money though.

  47. How about my (your) Blackberry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup, I wonder if Blackberries are exempted seeing as they're not that smart and also Alicia Keys used to be the so-called Creative Director of the beleaguered Research in Motion, makers of the struggling Blackberry phones.Who really owns one of these anymore??

  48. Coldplay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And at the 3 Coldplay concerts I've been too we did cell phone waves (outdoor nighttime event). it was frickin' awesome.

    To each their own I guess.

    1. Re:Coldplay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3 Coldplay concerts I've been to...was frickin' awesome.

      To each their own I guess.

      Indeed.

  49. Flashing lights ? by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    Not that I disagree with the politeness argument, I don't, but the flashing light argument is pure BS. If you've ever been on stage, I have been a spotlight rigger at commercial shows, the performers can barely see the audience because of the spots and highlights and if they want to address the audience they generally have to ask for all the stage lights to be brought down.

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    1. Re:Flashing lights ? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      It was a very small venue, so it may have been a more reasonable request. Robert Fripp is notoriously prickly. Still, even if it made no difference to the musicians (and I suspect it did, there were seven of them on stage playing some pretty intricate compositions), it made the experience as a member of the audience much better. It was two hours of bliss for a prog rock fan like myself. I went to Rush last summer, and while it was also a great experience, large venues just don't carry the same charms that a nice theater does.

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  50. Who is Alicia Keys? by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

    And why would I want to attend one of her concerts?

    And by the way.... Get off my lawn!

  51. So what happens if by teknosapien · · Score: 1

    You are out with your significant other and have a sitter at home watching your precious clones and an emergency pops up and you need to be contacted.
    What then? will they stop the show and broadcast an announcement for the parents of child xxyy?

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    1. Re:So what happens if by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      No, but they can cross your name against a ticket list, and send an usher to quietly roust you out of your seat.

      But if the sitter is capable of calling you, they're capable of calling 911. If the emergency doesn't require 911, it doesn't require immediate access to you.

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    2. Re:So what happens if by Travelsonic · · Score: 1

      If there is a medical emergency, you'd better believe the parent would need to know/want to - maybe there are things about the medical history that the baby sitter does not know that are important, for example. OR maybe the parent just wants to know that their kid(s) are safe, and being treated/handled correctly. Maybe the parent is more assertive about getting the right medication, and the nurse is a dumbass who keeps tying to give them either the wrong dose, or the entirely wrong medication (and it could kill them). That almost happened TO MY DAD last year.

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    3. Re:So what happens if by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      maybe there are things about the medical history that the baby sitter does not know that are important,

      If this is the case, you fail as a parent. Either it's important enough that the sitter needs to know it, or it's unimportant.

      maybe the parent just wants to know that their kid(s) are safe

      I'm a parent, and I accept that even if my kids are in the same room as me, shit can happen. If I can't trust my babysitter, I wouldn't leave them alone with my kids.

      Maybe the parent is more assertive about getting the right medication, and the nurse is a dumbass who keeps tying to give them either the wrong dose, or the entirely wrong medication (and it could kill them).

      Edge case. If you're that paranoid about needing to be available at a second's notice, then you choose not to attend events that prevent that from happening. Though I wonder how you make it through life wondering every second of every minute of every hour of every day what horrible things could be happening to your child RIGHT NOW OH GOD.

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    4. Re:So what happens if by Holi · · Score: 1

      Say it has general admission seating. How will they know where you are?

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    5. Re:So what happens if by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      In that case, they won't. So now you need to weigh the desire for two people to not be out of touch from their precious little snowflakes for three hours versus every other person there wanting to have an enjoyable event.

      Guess what? They all win. Your choice, upon being told that it's a cell-free zone, is either a) accept the fact that during that three hours, something horribly could, in theory, happen to your children, and hopefully your babysitter is capable of dialing 911, or b) deciding that you simply cannot be incommunicado for three hours, and therefore declining to attend the event.

      There is no c) your magical status as a parent trumps everything else.

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  52. Good thing no one could ever by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

    Need to call 911, or be reached in an emergency by their family, during a concert.

  53. ban banning now before it bans you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if someone needs to make a call for emergency reasons it's ok just to run back to the front desk to make your call?
    Oh wait you still cannot until they unlock it.

    hmm...I wonder who thought of the security concerns of this policy? He/She who holds all the keys may become a target....or worse....hold them intentionally...

  54. I take a quick video and some pics by bobbutts · · Score: 1

    I take a 30 second video and a few snapshots when I go to concerts. Mainly just to have it in my gallery so I can remember it better in the future. I have no problem skipping this activity if the artist/venue doesn't approve. I think doing more would be likely to upset those around me. Probably there are some that think my amount is too much. It does make me nuts when people record the whole time.

  55. Fans should just stop going to her concerts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the price they charge at these concerts, you better at least get a pic or video. I wouldn't see Alicia Keys anyway.....bye Felicia.

  56. This is not going to fly very far by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

    Right, I will forego the use of a device which many people have come to feel is a necessary part of their personal safety and lifeline to the outside world to join thousands of others who have done the same to watch Someone Special whose security maintains an airtight envelop aorund her at all times on and off the stage.

    Because Alicia Keyes.

    Alicia Keyes is now the very archetype of a person who needs to stick a fork into themselves because they're done.

  57. Re:Continuous glucose monitoring on your smart pho by Holi · · Score: 1

    I do not believe there are any ADA rules regarding cellphones.

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  58. Germ Vector Alert by LutherDRansomJr · · Score: 0

    Phones are nasty. Lets put them in bags, all moist and dark. Never sterilize them and use over and over. Yeah !

  59. I'm OK with this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sadly people can't seem to voluntarily respect others and use their cell phones for capturing video, pictures and audio. Also to note that it is possible that all those cell phones could potentially cause some interference with some wireless devices used in the performances. But here's the rub that may void all of this. That is what happens when an emergency occurs and nobody has a functioning cell phone.

  60. WTF? by edittard · · Score: 1

    fans are handed a special pouch that is locked up with their smartphone inside the fan

    They shove it up your ass?

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  61. I will give you $50 for your broken smartphone... by rcharbon · · Score: 1

    ...as long as the screen isn't visibly damaged. The venue will be buying me a new one to replace it after the concert.

  62. blackberry creative consultant by maxrate · · Score: 1

    Wasn't Alicia taking a bunch of money from Blackberry a couple years ago promoting the use of cell phones, including ads "do want you love" or something to that affect? Hippocratic it seems....

  63. Inside me!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but I don't want them to put my cellphone inside me.

  64. Recording devices banned since Noah was a boy by GumphMaster · · Score: 1

    Cameras and recording devices have been prohibited at the majority of live performances since recording devices became practical to carry. Why on Earth should a recording device suddenly be exempt because it is buried in a phone?

    I went to see a play in a 300 seat venue on Friday. and was blessed with being adjacent to a drama school group. The on-again off-again blue glow from these infernal devices was bloody distracting. I must, however, concede that I saw nobody recording the performance or using a flash; just completely ignoring the show. I realise that teens and 20-somethings cannot imagine a life without their personal phone but I also wonder why the phone is more important than the music/play/ballet/opera/whatever that they paid good money to see.

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    1. Re:Recording devices banned since Noah was a boy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you request a refund from the play? Like, walk out part way in.

    2. Re:Recording devices banned since Noah was a boy by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Styx allowed me to bring in my DSLR. No problem. They even had signs that said so. Everyone had their cell phones, No problem.

  65. Since when does the employee... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...dictate to the employer (the ticket owner) how they can use their personal property?

  66. Already a reverse engineering tool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...for opening the bag. It has existed for centuries. It is called a knife.

  67. On call? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And for those of us who are on call 24/7? While I prefer voice communication being able to answer an SMS or e-mail in a noisy venue when on call is a necessary evil of my work and I suspect many others. I am not advocating the notion of on-call at all. To the contrary I hate it. However this is the reality of those of us trying to make a living.

  68. What's the point? by Xabraxas · · Score: 1

    Does anyone actually watch shitty cell phone recordings of concerts instead of buying the CD or going to a concert?

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    1. Re:What's the point? by daedalus2097 · · Score: 1

      Some people just want to have their video up, hoping to get more hits than their last rubbish concert video.

      I like to think it's also for improving the experience for people at the concerts, who have paid good money to be there. It's mega annoying to be in a crowd with a sea of fully lit LCDs in front of you, blocking the view. Not everyone is six foot six and able to see over that sea, and anyway, in the dark they're very distracting.

  69. Counterpoint: since when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does the employee (the performer) dictate to the employer (the ticket owner) how they can use their personal property?

  70. Re:Future: Forgot to get phone out of bag, now wha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rock crushes scissors

  71. Re:Continuous glucose monitoring on your smart pho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A line is crossed when the device you call a phone in on context is used to monitor blood glucose in another. This easily falls under 13a here, in a very similar case settled with a concert provider:

    13. The United States asserts specifically that Clear Channel Entertainment’s April 2000 Policy and its conduct discriminate against individuals on the basis of disability in the full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages or accommodations of a place of public accommodation, in violation of 42 U.S.C. 12182(a) and 28 C.F.R. 36.201(a) by:

    a. Imposing or applying eligibility criteria that screen out or tend to screen out individuals with disabilities in violation of 42 U.S.C. 12182(b)(2)(A)(i) and 28 C.F.R. 36.301;

    b. Affording an individual or class of individuals on the basis of a disability or disabilities with an opportunity to participate in or benefit from goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages or accommodations in a manner that is not equal to that afforded to others, in violation of 42 U.S.C. 12182(b)(1)(A)(ii) and 28 C.F.R. 36.202(b);

    c. Failing to make reasonable modifications in policies, practices, or procedures, in violation of 42 U.S.C. 12182(b)(2)(A)(ii) and 28 C.F.R. 36.302(a);

    d. Providing an individual or class of individuals on the basis of a disability or disabilities with goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages or accommodations that are different from those provided to other individuals, in violation of 42 U.S.C. 12182(b)(1)(A)(iii) and 28 C.F.R. 36.202(c); and,

    e. Denying an individual or class of individuals on the basis of a disability or disabilities the opportunity to participate in or benefit from its goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations, in violation of 42 U.S.C. 12182(b)(1)(A)(i) and 28 C.F.R. 36.202(a).

  72. Re:Continuous glucose monitoring on your smart pho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And, from the same case - note 17a and that this issue falls under the ADA in 17c

    17. Injunctive Relief

    a. Clear Channel Entertainment agrees not to discriminate against any guest with diabetes with regard to their bringing diabetes related medical equipment or diabetes related food into a concert venue.

    b. Clear Channel Entertainment hereby adopts the policy, effective thirty (30) days after the entry date of this Order, entitled “Standard Operating Procedure: Guest Access to Diabetic Supplies” (the “Policy”), which is attached hereto as Appendix A and incorporated herein by reference.

    c. The United States agrees that the Policy complies with Title III of the Americans With Disabilities Act.

    d. Clear Channel Entertainment will provide training for its employees who have responsibility for implementing elements of the Policy. Where the relevant personnel responsible for implementing parts of the Policy are not employees of Clear Channel Entertainment, Clear Channel Entertainment will provide appropriate written or oral instruction.

  73. Deposit by argee · · Score: 1

    "ATTENTION PATRONS:
    Your concert ticket includes a $15.00 cell phone deposit.
    If you in any way use your cell during the concert, you
    will not have the deposit returned.

    Ushers will enforce the policy by monitoring the numbered
    seats.

    Thank you,
    The MANAGEMENT"

  74. Too true by Archfeld · · Score: 1

    There is nothing like seeing a good band or musician in a small club like venue, the sound and feel is so-much better. In the SF bay area there are many small clubs and some of the best shows happen there. I can recall seeing Blue Oyster Cult playing under a pseudonym Soft White Underbelly giving great shows and playing tunes they'd never do on a big stage. Even today, every now and then someone really famous will wander in and play a set with the house band or whomever is top bill for the night.

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  75. The right reasons? by m76 · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure they're doing it for the right reasons. I suspect the artists motivation is to not have videos of their performances floating on the net. Which is a stupid reason. It's actually good advertisement. Before I go to a concert I'd like to know what to expect. I don't buy a ticket at face value. Any and all concerts I've been to was because I saw recordings of the live performance and I knew what to expect.

  76. Nanny Keys by camg188 · · Score: 1

    So Alicia Keys is a nanny now as well as a performer.

    from TFA: "a special pouch that is locked up with their smartphone inside the fan keeps that pouch with them during the event, but they can't get to the device to call, take photos, or shoot video." - until they rip or cut the pouch open.
    Maximum inconvenience for people who follow their rules, minimum inconvenience for people who plan on breaking their rules.

  77. Oh, I get it now! by garryknight · · Score: 1

    "fans are handed a special pouch that is locked up with their smartphone inside the fan keeps that pouch with them during the event"

    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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  78. Sometimes I wish they'd collect them... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and crush the damn things into dust.

  79. Venue Workers by keith2237 · · Score: 1

    As someone who works at a concert venue this is just another thing the workers have to manage all while dealing with the drunks, troublemakers, and people who think they should be allowed to bring in all manner of food, drinks, weapons, and whatever else they seem to think they need to shlep from home to a concert. How about we just make this simple. Strip down everyone before they go in.

  80. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well guess shooters will know what mass gatherings to hit now

  81. Sillyness! by martinfb · · Score: 1

    Seems silly to me. The cost barely justifies the ends. I sympathize with artists (most of whom struggle to make a living), yet if one does the math, the cost is not justifiable. e.g. Say an arena seats 10,000, and 6,000 phones need to be checked. If 6,000 (cellphone security bags) cost perhaps $5/ea, that is $30,000. Consider a 10%-to-20% loss per event, that is 600-1200 replacements per event, at an additional cost of $3,000-$6,000 per event.
    I question if that artist would be loosing that much in lost sales, as I cannot see fans opting to wait for the YouTube version vs. being there for the event.

    True, I may be biased, as I prefer to support my fav artists first hand. Yet, if I happen to take a video at an event, it is because I want to remember something. And, if I show it to friends, there is a good chance those friends will buy tix for that artist's next event (or perhaps a CD or a download).

    On the other hand, who foots the bill for the devices? Surely it is passed-on to the ticket buyer.

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    Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.
  82. GOING DARK!!! by gavron · · Score: 1

    Law enforcement everywhere is GOING DARK!!! They must havz cellphonez and they must havz access at all times or THEY'LL GO DARK.

    There was apparently no law enforcement detective work prior to their wanting to download your iphone.

    Just like concerts with useless divas didn't exist before cellphones.

    Let's just band everything that's irritating.

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  83. Coerced surrender of rights by bitterblackale · · Score: 1

    Cops can't search a purse without a warrant or consent, why can a concert venue? Oh, right. You aren't allowed to attend unless you surrender your 4th Amendment rights.

  84. You DO have a choice by bitterblackale · · Score: 1

    You need not surrender your 4th Amendment rights. In case you didn't know, there are better musicians performing at bars and coffee houses in every city for a fraction of the cost (if not free), begging concert-goers to post their photos and videos on YouTube.

  85. Emergencies? by georgekwatson · · Score: 1

    Sorry, requiring me to traverse a crowd, get a 'bagel' from a cretinous bouncer and unlock a bag in order to deal with a true emergency is only going to get you sued eventually. I have no trouble being told to keep it in my pocket and silent. I have no problem not using it to record shows, take selfies or post to (insert social media site of the day). But if it goes off, I am checking it. I have children. Yes, the species flourished before cell-phones. But we are better off with them. We are even better off adhering to etiquette regarding them.

  86. Dull Pop by crispin_bollocks · · Score: 1

    Obviously doesn't have the chops of the Beastie Boys, who recorded an entire concert with phones supplied to fans, in 2006.

  87. So the phone is still on by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Nothing like hearing the dumbass next to you with a phone that's ringing and he won't turn it off. Ring and ring and ring and..... Because the person on the other end has to tell them that it's daytime outside.

  88. Vomit on shoes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recently stumbled on the internet Frank Zappa explaining why his audience turned over every 5 or so years. (Every five years he had a new batch of fans, earlier fans fading away). In a nutshell, when you get to be 30 going to a rock concert and having someone throw up on your shoes isn't worth it anymore.
    Once at a Bowie concert the roaring drunk in the seat behind me dumped a large beer on my back.

    Which gets me to my point. Go to a popular music event and you expect the possibility of such things, along with drunks, drug overdoses, the occasional fight or even riot. At a lesser level, expect that at times some audience members near you may be louder than the music.
    Go to a highbrow classical concert and you expect at the worse the occasional tipsy giggler and maybe your nose being assaulted by perfume coming from the silver haired ladies coats.
    Which audience do you think has more (or any) members who view it as their right to film and take pictures of the event?
    Consider the hostility some, not all, but some posters here have against the artists who may merely be trying to put on a concert that respects both the artists, the art, and the fellow concert goers right to hear and experience the damn music without someone throwing up on their shoe. It's a wonder more people aren't punched in the nose at such events.

  89. Huh. What a bizarre coincidence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a new Alicia Keys Policy. I don't listen to her shitty music, or watch her shitty videos, or attend her boring stupid concerts.

    On the plus side, I get to use my smartphone AND not listen to Alicia Keys' "music".