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Alicia Keys Latest Artist To Enforce No Cell Phone Policy at Concerts (slashgear.com)
Shane McGlaun, reporting for SlashGear:It appears that artists of all sorts are getting very serious about keeping fans from using smartphones while they are at their concerts or events. The latest musician to ban cell phones at her events is Alicia Keys. Fans aren't forced to give up their smartphones at the door to be locked up in some locker or box until the show is over. Rather, fans are handed a special pouch that is locked up with their smartphone inside the fan keeps that pouch with them during the event, but they can't get to the device to call, take photos, or shoot video. If they need to use their device during the show the users can go back to the door and a worker passes a disc about the size of a bagel over the bag to unlock it and the fan can step outside to use their smartphone.
Banning cell phones so you don't have to try to look around people who insist on holding their phones over their heads. Or banning cell phones because you don't want an amateur video of your concert on youtube. Given my jaded view of the music industry, I'd bet on the latter. However, I've always wondered what the people who insist on taking photos and videos of everything they see do with those. Are they the modern day equivalent of those who used to corner people with their slide projectors while they begrudgingly sat and pretended to care? Enjoy your life, quit pretending everybody else wants to experience every second of it too.
I'm just waiting for the first time that the inability to make a 911 call quickly from one of these shows (heart attack, stroke, active shooter, etc.) results in someone's unnecessary death. After one lawsuit erases the benefits of the entire tour, the insurance companies will start levying huge surcharges for any shows that ban cellphones, and all this nonsense will take care of itself.
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. . . . a Bluetooth Camera/Audio pickup. Unless this "Yondr" bag is a dual-layered Faraday shield. . . .
if you cant sleep at night becuase you don't make enough money on cd's, streaming, downloads, concerts and merchandising, maybe you should contact Dr. Conrad Murray to help you sleep. Or, just go fuck yourself.
For those wondering how they block the signal they don't.
It is a just a bag with a lock on it, the phone operates like normal and if you don't put it on vibrate or no sound it will still ring.
The same people who have always been responsible: The on-site security. They don't need access to a phone, they just need to grab one of the guys or gals RIGHT THERE.
We went to concerts before everyone had phones you know...
So who is liable if there is an emergency and nobody in the crowd is able to access a phone to actually report it?
If anything, I believe emergency response times were better before everybody had a cell phone and 500 people called the emergency number at the same time.
The guards presumably still have working phones.
Doing a quick check for venue and stadium security jobs, the primary qualifications are (1) High School Graduate, and (2) No criminal record for 7 years. Being bilingual is nice.
I rather doubt that most venue security types are "specifically trained for it". In my experience, they've been bouncer types, but your mileage may vary. . .
And get arrested for being armed with a weapon.
Can't you just cut this open with a pocket knife?
I even RTFA but it was not helpful on that question.
Perhaps they're just relying on most people not doing that and making it easier to enforce since there will be few people to chase down.
I like the guy whining that in this day and age the cell phone is how he remembers. Apparently, at least some humans consider their wetware memories an archaic vestigial device.
And before someone starts complaining about "But we didn't used to have cellphones!" no we didn't, now we do: It's called progress. One thing that has helped emergency response times quite a bit in high income nations is the proliferation of mobile phones. When something happens emergency services can be notified in seconds, and get the response rolling that much faster.
Happened when I was in a car accident. I was dazed for maybe 20-30 seconds, then got my phone out and called for help. They had fire responders on scene in under 2 minutes, police 30 seconds later and EMS in about 4. In that case, it didn't matter, everyone was fine other than bruises, but had there been something serious, it is much more likely it could have been dealt with. The only reason the response was so fast was that it was in a populated area, and that I was able to call for help almost immediately.
To me it seems like the concert issue is one of acceptable behaviour, not the phones themselves. It is using them in inappropriate ways. Well the answer there isn't "take them away" or "lock them up" it is to let people know what is and isn't allowed, and to enforce that by removing people if necessary. People can learn, it turns out, and most can understand what rules apply to what social situation and obey them. There are those that can't and you have to deal with them, but you do it on an individual basis not by something like this.
If you follow a chain of links, it appears that she used this for a show at the Highline Ballroom in NYC. It holds about 700 people. The other musical act mentioned, The Limineers, is a group I've never heard of but they seem to be playing a ton of festivals and mostly smaller amphitheaters. Other users include various comedians. I'll be impressed when someone who can draw tens of thousands of people to see them is willing to do it and risk pissing their fans off. Let me know if Kanye ever decides to try this. I'll be really interested to see what the reaction is.
Looking up the tech it's just a cloth bag... Scissors. Their fancy "lock mechanism" has been defeated with fucking scissors. Good job.
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That's an excellent idea! Without cellphones, the movie theatre experience would be much better since we'd only have to worry about people talking to each others during the movie, the noise from people munching on oversized snacks, slurping their two litres of soft drinks, the sticky floors and the fact that you can't pause the movie to go to the filthy public bathroom.
After experiencing movies at home, on-demand and at the low cost of Netflix, you'd have to pay me to go to the theatre.
Then the venue has a fully staffed security crew
Heh heh heh
which is specifically trained
HAHAHAH Stop it, stop it you're killing me here!
These guys are strict
OMFG I think I'm going to die laughing right now, have you ever BEEN to a concert?
But if your phone is in a bag, how can you know if it's an emergency or not?
I saw Weird Al Yankovic this past weekend. Entering the venue, we were specifically told that we could use cell phones if we liked. Part of his show involved everybody getting their cell phone out and waving them over their head - we all have cell phones, so c'mon, let's get real!
In the conflict between people who don't understand how much of a nuisance they are with their phones, and the people who are self-righteously snooty about how other people use their phones, I'm not sure there's a clear winner. I can see the impulse from both sides, a little, but in the long run I think I'm going to say this goes down as a dumb policy.
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Why not just bring 2 phones? Have your fake phone put into the bag while your real phone stays out?
The event organisers. You know the ones with the radio communications, the emergency response procedures, the trained first aiders, and the insurance for when it all goes tits up.
Next question?
Or are we talking about airport-like security scans where thye xray your belongings and make you pass through a metal detector?
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I wonder how durable these bags are. Wildly guessing, I'd speculate that if they're cheap enough to hand out on mass numbers, they're also made of light enough materials to be torn open by hand, or cut into with, perhaps, the extraneous key I have on my keychain for when I'm tempted to pry or screw something with a key but don't want to muck up one of the keys that actually open things I care about. One thing I do know, is that if any venue tries this stunt with me, and I can't tear the bag open, it's going home with me to be cut open and shredded there.
If you want to be a pretentious "live in the moment or you're not living", "photographs make your memories inauthentic", and "disconnect from the world, open your eyes, smash your cell phone" type, fine. Don't use your own cell phone. Don't try to shove your freshman-level philosophy class down my throat.
Imagine all the people...
So after the concert, everyone has to go back through the turnstiles to get their bags unlocked and returned to the promoter? What if someone says they left their phone in the car so they don't need a bag - are they searched? Do people need to surrender something like a license to get a bag? If not, what prevents them from either leaving with the bag or ripping it open during the show, making the process much more expensive for the performer/promoter? What about people who can't bear to be out of contact with their kids caregiver even for the length of a show? I would guess that the bag makes vibration less effective, and they are unlikely to ever hear ringing at a concert. (I wouldn't have an issue with it, but don't respond that they should put up with it since it was common in my day - people's expectations have changed.)
I can understand this more for comedians - a leak of their material is much more important, since the difference between hearing their material on a smartphone or live is pretty small, so long as the audio is good enough to understand. However, the difference between being at a concert and watching someone's cell phone video of a concert is so large that I can't imagine anyone saying, "No, I don't need to go see Alicia (or whomever) - the cell phone video was just as good as being there."
Typical Millennial thinking that cells phones *always* existed...
Or, you know, go to concerts performed by musicians who aren't threatened by modern technology. Weird Al, for example, encourages people to wave them in the air like people used to do with lighters during his "We All Have Cellphones" song.
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According to most comments so far, you just fucking die.
Sure, because there is no such thing as on-site training for procedures specific to a particular event but not yet standard in the industry as a whole, that security might possibly receive after being hired...
Probably made from Tyvek. Very cheap, but cannot be torn, can be cut with scissors easily however.
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If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
I came to see the band, not your fucking cell phone that you insist and holding over your head, blocking my goddamned view.
Saw one of my favorite bands recently. The girl behind us actually had the temerity to ask us to "keep it down" because she was recording the band on her cell phone. At a rock concert.
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Considering the size of the age group within one can be considered a "Millennial," what makes this typical besides a potential generalization?
If you believe in privacy, and believe you have "nothing to hide" at the same time, you're a goddammed idiot
The guards presumably still have working phones.
Better: At venues large enough that this is really an "issue" there is often an ambulance already onsite to deal with any medical calamities--for "music festivals" there are often two on site. So the hundreds of bouncers they have working these shows all have walkie-talkie radios and can probbaly get the already-there ambulance crew to your seat faster than you'd get an ambulance dispatched from the fire station by 9-1-1, to the venue, parked, and into the place.
Who did what now?
They have as much if not more training to dial the phone and call other emergency services
Somehow, before the age of cellphones, we did ok. I don't know how, but we survived.
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"That's a pocket-sized computer with a camera, mic, and speaker that happens to have a WiFi connection to the cell phone in my car!"
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Of course, this is about the entire generation, and not a case of some subset of the group, and an example of usual government stupidity. Right. *facepalms*
If you believe in privacy, and believe you have "nothing to hide" at the same time, you're a goddammed idiot
And the under 30 crowd chimes in... Life was better, much better before the cell phone.
NOBODY, not one single person EVER needs to have a cell phone at any public event.
Street fair, movie theater, comedy show, parade, concert, you name it, not a single person needs one for a case of "emergency".
If someone is having a heart attack, there is EMS close by at any such event or someone at the event has an actual land line to make the emergency call. Then you have one or maybe a few people calling 911, not 100s. This is how it used to work and it works 100 times better than every idiot having a phone burying emergency services with useless duplicate calls.
Doing a quick check for venue and stadium security jobs, the primary qualifications are (1) High School Graduate, and (2) No criminal record for 7 years. Being bilingual is nice.
I rather doubt that most venue security types are "specifically trained for it". In my experience, they've been bouncer types, but your mileage may vary. . .
I wonder how the public discussion with the Orlando shooting would play out if the club had a policy like this?
And before the age of cellphones, your father died of a stroke in the hospital while you were still at a concert.
But if your phone is in a bag, how can you know if it's an emergency or not?
Apple Watch.
Or, are these actual Faraday bags, not just can't-get-to-the-device-access-control-bags?
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The constitution doesn't grant you a right to use your cell phone and be an annoying dickhole (thank god). You agree to pay to see a performer, and part of that agreement is their requirements for you to attend. If you don't like that agreement, don't attend.
I'd never go to these performers (refuse to call them "artists") concerts....
Let me guess. You're one of the people who likes to stare at your full-brightness-enabled phone during movies and other performances, without bothering to think that it's as much or more the other paying customers you're pissing off, not the performing artist(s). Has it occurred to you that the person on stage might be wanting their paying customers to be able to enjoy the performance without people like you wrecking everyone's dark-adjusted vision and providing a bright visual distraction that, because of perspective, is larger than the person on the stage that everyone's just spent a bunch of money to see? I know, you really just don't care, because it's all about you. I wonder if there's anything the person sitting in front of YOU might be able to do that would make you wish they'd stop? Maybe, shining a flashlight in your face the whole time? Or is that, like, so cool, man!
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And what precisely would you be able to do if your father was dying of a stroke while you were in a venue, particularly a stadium? Teleport to his side?
Face it, just because it is possible to be in phone contact during an emergency doesn't really mean that you have to be or that it will even help.
The constitution doesn't grant you a right to use your cell phone
You're right. You know why? Because governments cannot grant rights. You are born with the right to absolutely anything you can imagine. The only thing any law can do is TAKE RIGHTS AWAY. The constitution doesn't have you grant you any right.
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Recently theaters have started to catch on to this. Even here in "blue laws" PA, theaters are selling beer. They are increasingly installing electric reclining seats with assigned seating. One theater even serves you decent pub-style food directly to your seat during the movie. It's not for everyone, and it sure does jack up the price - but I've started going to the theater again after a long time of avoiding it.
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60,000 people calling 911 at once is probably not the best way to handle an emergency anyway.
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Unless they are going to frisk everybody, just bring two phones. When they ask if you have a phone, serve up the dummy.
I wasn't aware that the cellphone bag was made out of construction paper.
I'm sure the venues will LOVE the extra cost of buying all these bags and all the extra work for their staff to lock/unlock them. Everyone has a phone now, so the larger the crowd, the longer this takes and more expensive. It takes long enough to get out of the parking lot of these larger venues, so getting in and out taking twice as long isn't going to work out so well... They've gotta pay their staff to work longer for this extra work as well.
Granted, I haven't been to an arena concert in over a decade, but the last concert I was at (a non-arena concert last fall) they were happy to have fas taking pictures with their phones. I've seen other performances from the band I saw posted online that were shot with varying degrees of consumer hardware, and the artists have never (to the best of my knowledge) protested against it. I guess I just run with a different crowd or something.
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You can call emergency numbers even without a SIM card. I'm sure it would be possible to have a local cell at the venue, providing a strong signal so that phones wouldn't use any other service, and it would only enable emergency calls. Security staff would of course have some other kind of radio comms.
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This type of information should be made clear before the purchase is made.
Who says it's not being made clear? Every time I've bought tickets in the last ~10 years it's mentioned during the purchase process that smoking, weapons, and outside food/beverages are not allowed in the venues. It's not a big challenge to add cellphones to that list if the event forbids them.
They are specifically trained. Not to do anything medical, but to get on their radios and say 'medical emergency in section 123'. Then, as if by magic, the ON SITE EMS team shows up and deals with it.
In turn, that girl presumably came to the concert to hear/record the performance, not to listen to ya'lls goddamned yammering.
I'd simply refuse to enter and request compensation (full purchase refund, parking expenses). If not, take the ticket merchant or responsible venue coordinatator to court and also request compensation for lost personal time. This type of information should be made clear before the purchase is made.
I've grown tired of organizations and individuals encroaching on what I consider others' basic rights for their own personal interests. If you're a live performer, cell phones are not hurting your business.
And it's exactly because of assholes like you that going anywhere, movie, concert, etc., had become unbearable. Fuck you and your fucking phone.
You'd be surprised... I mean, lifeguards (those that work at the community pool) do not make much but are trained in life saving techniques.
Most event staff probably have training on the defibrillator machines (they aren't that hard to use) and I imagine most of these venues have medics on site during large events.
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Just wait for some one needs to dial 911 and can't due to an locked bag. Also how far will the search for phones go? pad downs? strip search?
What can a call to 911 accomplish that flagging the venue security couldn't? If anything it would slow down response time since most big venues have onsite first responders who can help right away. As for how, maybe a little thing called a metal detector?
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I'd simply refuse to enter and request compensation (full purchase refund, parking expenses). If not, take the ticket merchant or responsible venue coordinatator to court and also request compensation for lost personal time. This type of information should be made clear before the purchase is made.
And it likely WILL be. Common sense dictates you read the fine print if you find yourself and your "rights" being violated here. Don't like it? Don't attend the concert. We won't miss you. Refuse to play by the rules? The door swings both ways. Bye.
I've grown tired of organizations and individuals encroaching on what I consider others' basic rights for their own personal interests. If you're a live performer, cell phones are not hurting your business.
How about you encroaching on my basic right to enjoy a concert without having to see or hear cell phone addicts all trying to capture their version of what should be an evening enjoyed by humans instead of machines? I'd say my basic right during those two hours trumps the shit out of yours. You pay for a ticket and attend a concert for YOU the human to see and hear the artist, not to record a damn documentary of your evening.
Needless to say, I've grown tired of this basic rights bullshit argument, especially when it mainly exists to feed people's narcissistic addictions to social media. And cell phones are not mandated by fire departments and emergency responders, so you can drop the bullshit 911 argument too.
They don't block cell phone signals, the founder of Yonder is quoted as saying:
"They have the phone in their pocket, but it's locked so if the phone vibrates they can step outside to text or call," Dugoni tells us.
I suppose if the ban is just on cellphones you are free to use an iPod touch or other non-phone device, possibly tethered to your bagged phone. Or an Apple watch could be used to text. Or more likely if you start waving any shiny rectangular object above your head security is just going to toss you out without concern whether it is a phone or a cigarette case.,
"Dugoni says the pouch serves two purposes. The artist can try out new material without worrying about it being leaked."
It won't stop people from secretly recording and leaking songs. There are plenty of available recording devices that can be easily concealed and a neoprene pouch can be easily cut or the unlocking mechanism compromised. But as a device for raising awareness that the artist doesn't care for people waving phones around, it probably does a fine job.
I turn 34 this year. I definitely remember life without cell phones and more to the point, life without 'smart phones'.
What happens if there is an emergency?
The cell towers and 911 system don't get overloaded by 10,000 people trying to call simultaneously, that's what.
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I'd simply refuse to enter and request compensation (full purchase refund, parking expenses). If not, take the ticket merchant or responsible venue coordinatator to court and also request compensation for lost personal time.
Why? Because your hobby is frivolous lawsuits that you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning?
Their concert venue; their rules.
It's just a neoprene bag. It won't block bluetooth, it won't disable your smart watch or bluetooth/WiFi tethered camera.
I guess people will have to survive just like those dark times before cell phones were invented.
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On-the-job training is something you've never heard of?
Shut the fuck up.
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The people running the venue. You do realize that concerts were held long before cellphones existed, right?
and part of that agreement is their requirements for you to attend.
That was the person's point: If it's NOT part of the agreement or otherwise stated clearly up-front, then he will request a refund and sue if necessary.
Unless the performer doesn't have good lawyers or the venue is in a location with anti-consumer laws, you can bet that he (or she) will be on the hook for the face value of the ticket (or less if the ticket was sold at a discount). As for other costs like parking, etc., that's going to depend on how consumer-friendly the applicable laws are.
As a practical matter, most business people (and big-time entertainment IS a business) know that it's far cheaper in PR terms to say "you [the customer] are right, what can we do to make you whole and cover your inconvenience" for a legitimate complaint than it is to dig in their heels. On the other hand, if it looks like people are abusing the system or demanding more than is reasonable and fair (e.g. an obviously-greedy customer demanding a refund, a refund for parking and transportation, and "payment for his time" at $100/hour for driving to a $40 concert he decided not to attend because he wanted to have his cell phone accessible at all times), then offering reasonable-and-fair compensation but digging in your heels for everything over that might be the financially prudent thing to do,
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If I learned anything from watching James Bond movies, it's that almost anything can be a camera or a phone. Including a fake eye.
I'd really like to see this at children's plays and recitals. You ever see 100 parents pull out iPads to video their first grader at a school play? It's very hard to see... sometimes its easier to watch the play on the screen of the fool in front of me.
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Sorry to break in a good argument, but while your view may well be more accurate the parent post was saying that the constitution does not grant rights but does recognize rights already in existence. The constitution used to be something the United States was operating under but it was so long ago I wouldn't expect too many people to remember what it said.
The problem is sheer logistics. So fans are streaming into a concert venue, and you're going to stop each person, search for cellphones wherever they might be carried, and put them into bags. Some irreducible number of people will claim a medical need to stay in touch with someone at home, such as a baby about to arrive, so notes from doctors will have to be parsed and judged in real time. With the best of intentions, a few phones are going to get dropped or stepped on during the bagging process. It will be like going through the airport, and fans are going to react accordingly. I predict a horrible mess, followed by the realization that unless there are body scanners in use, a lot of phones will slip through anyway.
So is the motive to enforce a device etiquette which is sorting itself out anyway, as it does after the introduction of any new tech, or is Keys defending her IP by preventing photography? If there is any suspicion that it's the latter, her live performances will now take place in empty halls. She will end up being worse off than all those other performers whose brand is kept current by fuzzy amateur videos on YouTube.
Sort of like TSA agents, but without the IQ ceiling?
I've been at a local theater chain here in Austin... and there tend to be zero cellphones visible. The Alamo Drafthouse tends to wield the LART brutally in that regard, which is why they get my business.
But if your phone is in a bag, how can you know if it's an emergency or not?
Duh, you just look at your iWatch to see who is calling. What idiot would have a smartphone without a smartwatch?
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The Yondr bag will definitely cause issues if someone uses their phone and a CGMS transmitter to monitor, and react to, their blood glucose. There are work-arounds, like bringing a separate non-phone receiver, bringing a separate meter, leaving the concert to have security let you check your Bg, or not going to the concert at all.
I'm certain there are some ADA concerns here that nobody has touched on yet. Also certain that the security people who enforce putting your phone in a bag do not have a protocol for this situation.
I guess people will have to survive just like those dark times before cell phones were invented.
Well, technically, the majority of people who lived before cell phones were invented have not survived at all.
I went to a King Crimson concert last year where the band requested cell phones remain firmly in pockets, and where they gave an opportunity for people to take pictures. Their justification is that flash cameras and lots of blinking lights in the audience are distracting, and since they and the venue have the right to determine audience behavior, it wasn't much of a debate. And you know what, it was a great show, one of the best I've been to, and in no small part because selfish jerks like yourself were either not present, or shamed into keeping their phones in their pockets.
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You are correct, but the law does prevent people from blocking the use of cell phones. I think that unless it was made clear prior to the purchase of the ticket that you were forbidden the use of a cell phone you ARE due a refund. What if an emergency situation arises inside the venue, like it catches fire, or someone gets really sick of Alicia Keyes crappy music and goes into cardiac arrest, or your kid gets hit by a car and the hospital calls you ? If they want to stop people from taking pictures or videos of a second rate performance so be it, forbid those actions and escort violators outside.
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Depends on the theater.
Some of the local pubs/resorts (In Oregon: McMenamin's) have theaters where you get to sit in nice-sized comfy seats, you can order-up food and booze before the show (and have them discreetly deliver it to you during the show), and the seats are built and arranged so that every jackass in the place can run their cell phone, but you'll never see it unless someone sitting next to you is playing with one. Oh, and I forgot to mention that you can only seat something like 50 people in the thing, max.
Given the time it takes to actually drive to a movie theater (I live way out in the sticks), This is the only type of movie theater you'll ever see me in anymore.
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I don't know what kind of concerts you go to, but the big ticket concerts I go to either mean I have to park a half mile away from the venue, or just as often catch a cab to the venue. Often these concerts are also out of town, so even if I could respond to the call right away, I'm hours away from being at an ailing relative's side. In a lot of cases with arenas and stadiums, just getting out of the venue takes time, particularly with thousands of people to wade through.
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It's amazing what a slingshot can do to those things if you're particularly good at using one... ;)
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So everyone here has the right to take turns shoving a glowing hot fire poker up your ass? Awesome! Please post your address and we'll all be right over.
For those you that 1) don't have kids, or 2) are typical oblivious parents...
School plays aren't movies or concerts - you go to see your kid on stage having fun doing socially creative teamwork. If you're pissy about the iPad taking video in front of you, take a pill and move over 6 inches - you'll get your turn too.
Not that I disagree with the politeness argument, I don't, but the flashing light argument is pure BS. If you've ever been on stage, I have been a spotlight rigger at commercial shows, the performers can barely see the audience because of the spots and highlights and if they want to address the audience they generally have to ask for all the stage lights to be brought down.
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And why would I want to attend one of her concerts?
And by the way.... Get off my lawn!
I don't think I've ever seen anyone thrown out of a movie for using a cell phone here in southern California. But I can't remember the last time I saw, or heard, a phone during the movie, either.
I don't go to theaters that don't expect a certain level of good manners. On the other hand, there are at least 20 or 30 theaters within convenient driving distance, so there's no reason to.
So everyone here has the right to take turns shoving a glowing hot fire poker up your ass?
No, because there are specific laws against that, moron. However if there were no laws against torture and inflicting harm on people, then yes.
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If you have to be available via phone for your job (e.g. on-call duty) or if you are expecting an important phone call, don't go to a concert or movie or any other place where you would not be able to access your phone without annoying others. Simple as that. Once every five to six weeks, I have a week of on-call duty for our IT department, and it is not that hard to plan ahead and NOT go to a concert or to the cinema or to a fine restaurant where people would consider it rude to answer the phone during that week.
It only takes one out of the entire staff to know to call 911 in an emergency. Any kind of disruption, most bands will stop the show until they know it's been taken care of anyway.
It's not rocket scientists. Most fifth graders can handle calling 911 when the shit hits the fan.
I really don't understand why movie theaters can't be built with a single-occupant unisex toilet and soundproof door (to keep the noise from being audible to the rest of the theater), a speaker inside simulcasting the audio track from the movie (if not one or more LCD TVs showing the movie itself, since it's all digital now anyway), and a queue area from which the screen can be viewed while waiting in line. They'd sell more mega-sized drinks, because people wouldn't have to be afraid of spending half the movie either desperately having to pee or missing 5-10 minutes running to the restroom after drinking a half-gallon of Diet Coke.
You are out with your significant other and have a sitter at home watching your precious clones and an emergency pops up and you need to be contacted.
What then? will they stop the show and broadcast an announcement for the parents of child xxyy?
no matter how good it is, it is human nature always wants to make things better
I really don't understand why movie theaters can't be built with a single-occupant unisex toilet and soundproof door (to keep the noise from being audible to the rest of the theater), a speaker inside simulcasting the audio track from the movie (if not one or more LCD TVs showing the movie itself, since it's all digital now anyway), and a queue area from which the screen can be viewed while waiting in line. They'd sell more mega-sized drinks, because people wouldn't have to be afraid of spending half the movie either desperately having to pee or missing 5-10 minutes running to the restroom after drinking a half-gallon of Diet Coke.
The smell when the door opens might cause a reduction in sales.
And honestly, people are disgusting. You'd probably walk into the single stall with a clogged toilet with shit on top of it than something you could actually use.
Need to call 911, or be reached in an emergency by their family, during a concert.
And yet you said "You are born with the right to absolutely anything you can imagine" in the post I responded to. What's the matter? Not feeling so comfortable with that statement now?
The fact is that you aren't born with the right to anything you can imagine. In simplest terms, your rights end where another person's rights begin. If you don't believe that, I have a fire poker for you.
The constitution doesn't grant you a right to use your cell phone
You're right. You know why? Because governments cannot grant rights. You are born with the right to absolutely anything you can imagine. The only thing any law can do is TAKE RIGHTS AWAY. The constitution doesn't have you grant you any right.
You're correct, but you have neither a civil right nor a Lockean or Hobbesian right to trespass on private property. If you're invited in, your invite can be revoked for any and all reasons not otherwise contrary to civil law relating to discrimination against Protected Classes in public establishments. "Cell phone user" is not one of those, so the owner of the hall is free to kick your ass out.
You have no liberty right on private property.
Hire a Linux system administrator, systems engineer,
I take a 30 second video and a few snapshots when I go to concerts. Mainly just to have it in my gallery so I can remember it better in the future. I have no problem skipping this activity if the artist/venue doesn't approve. I think doing more would be likely to upset those around me. Probably there are some that think my amount is too much. It does make me nuts when people record the whole time.
Usually, one places one foot in front of the other until one has left the facility. At that point, one enters some sort of conveyance and directs it to the facility where one's relative is currently located.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
No, the law does not prevent people from blocking the use of cell phones. It prevents people from interfering with SIGNALS from cell phones.
Right, I will forego the use of a device which many people have come to feel is a necessary part of their personal safety and lifeline to the outside world to join thousands of others who have done the same to watch Someone Special whose security maintains an airtight envelop aorund her at all times on and off the stage.
Because Alicia Keyes.
Alicia Keyes is now the very archetype of a person who needs to stick a fork into themselves because they're done.
The stadium is general admission and is crowded, your partner collapses next to you. How do you get the attention of this trained staff?
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
Society has changed. People expect them to be there, even the concert staff.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
And in the age of cellphones, he died while you were at the concert too, but now it actually ruins the show.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
"And it likely WILL be"
Future tense?
"How about you encroaching on my basic right to enjoy a con..."
Where do you get that he 's encroaching on your 'right'
the financially responsible idiot.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
thankfully the world has not descended into your might makes right anarchic power struggle for basic survival and has been generally headed the opposite direction since the dawn of human history
You're either living under a rock, in a cave, or haven't been paying attention lately.
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
"Why?"
For reasons you didn't mention of course
"Their concert venue; their rules"
To a degree, on certain issues, yes, but no more
A ban on that type of policy.
We do love our reactionary bans, regardless of whether they are effective or not.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
SO now instead of calling 911, who will get the on site EMS to you as quickly, you have to track down an employee of the venue (probably not a concession employee either) and get them to call it in. That takes time.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
I do not want to be someones training dummy when it comes to CPR.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
I've been doing that for years.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
I do not believe there are any ADA rules regarding cellphones.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
"Because that's what we're talking about here."
The GP said otherwise
Except when the entire first two rows are filled with overzealous mothers that form a roman-shield formation of iPads taking video.
In this case, since it's illegal to shout "fire" in a crowded hall if there is no fire... First set the place on fire and then shout "fire".
What if there's an emergency?
The venue initiates their emergency response procedures which among other things do not rely on or involve idiots calling 911 to confuse dispatchers with sketchy and inaccurate information?
Oh wow. You just actually used Weird Al as an example of someone supporting something. I'm going to assume you don't actually know who Weird Al is if that's your idea of "encouragement". You haven't just missed the point, the point has casually walked up to you and shouted "I'm the point" in your face but you didn't notice. Were you busy on your phone by any chance?
It's useless to argue with someone who can't read.
Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
They shove it up your ass?
At the bottom of the
...as long as the screen isn't visibly damaged. The venue will be buying me a new one to replace it after the concert.
Maybe get there to say goodbye before he dies?
"And it likely WILL be"
Future tense?
The more I think about it, perhaps not. Likely weeks before the artist made this venue policy, lawyers were drafting the fine print. They are much more wise to any arguments by the average layman, and saw this shit coming a mile away.
"How about you encroaching on my basic right to enjoy a con..."
Where do you get that he 's encroaching on your 'right'
I paid a considerable amount of money to enjoy a concert, not try and enjoy a performer while dozens of cell phone screens around me blink, beep, and flash photos and videos throughout the entire performance.
In this sense, you are correct. It's not a "right" per se for either argument. In this sense, I was regurgitating the ridiculous argument brought forth by the parent, and it's rather childish to use the "he/she started it" argument, so I'll just concede and say I was wrong in perpetuating it.
Either way, the argument is pathetic, and my statement still stands. You don't NEED a fucking cell phone to attend a concert. If you feel you MUST, then don't fucking attend concerts. Stay home and save your money. You're certainly not taking advantage of a LIVE performance and venue when your eyes are staring at a cell phone screen all night.
And yes, I'm well aware I'm a dying breed of humans who remember a life before cell phones and the internet. A life that still enjoyed some semblance of privacy. This generation cares more about "free", so our future is rather fucked.
I don't understand even going to concerts these days. 99% of the time the artists is lip synching so they don't disappoint the fans with a performance that can't match the totally unrealistic material they get out of recording studio's these days. I don't see much point in a "concert" where all they are doing is playing the same version you can buy on CD.
Wasn't Alicia taking a bunch of money from Blackberry a couple years ago promoting the use of cell phones, including ads "do want you love" or something to that affect? Hippocratic it seems....
That's why I just bring a flask in with me....
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
I'm 34 and I definitely remember over-sized $1.00/minute brick and bag-phones when I was a little kid. Most people didn't have them but they were definitely around in more affluent areas. You are correct on smartphones. A "portable computer" was the size of a large briefcase and weighed 30+ lbs when I was little. Real laptops started to appear when I was about 8 or 9. Handheld 64-bit multi-core computers with hi-rez screens that fit into your pocket were pure science fiction.
Hell our first family computer ran at 1.79MHz and stored about 90KB on a floppy. And somehow I get both lumped in with Millennials and the tail end of Generation X depending on who you talk to yet my first online experience was through various local BBS's.
You know, cell phones haven't been that ubiquitous for that long.
It wasn't that many years ago...we went to concerts with *GASP* No cell phones at all!! No one owned them.
We all survived just fine.
I'm gonna throw you a REAL curve ball here..but a LOT of us around that are maybe middle aged, grew up and children with no such thing as a cell phone, no helicopter parents....nothing around but land lines in each home. And yet, somehow we managed to survive.
In many ways....it was nicer without fucking smart phones and their cameras everywhere back then. I love my smart phone, but there are times I wish they'd all be turned off for a week or so at a time.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
I was 24/7/365 on call. By your logic I could never attend a public event.
That said, with clever use of a coat/sweater/other article of clothing I can look at a phone without the light distracting others. A 2 second glance every 30 minutes or so goes completely unnoticed. Of course you have to disable notifications of everything other than missed calls and texts beforehand for the 2 second glance to work. Run outside if it's important, hit 'clear all' if not.
As far as concerts (not talking symphony here) it's even easier. People wave glowsticks and other crap, or there's some sort of spotlight show going on, or confetti, either way there's a lot of other shiny flying around and your phone would never be noticed even if you were actively texting on it.
It's quite possible to have a phone in a venue and *not* be a douche. There's plenty of people who do it every day, you just don't notice because they're doing it right!
I'm not particularly concerned about myself and the ability to call out but I do like the ability to receive calls or texts in emergencies. Oops, the babysitter accidentally sliced off one of the kids arms.. there are circumstances in which I'd decide to cut the concert short.
"This generation cares more about "free" "
There's are a lot of attitudes and behaviors you need to embed yourself in to access that kind of free, and it probably happens unconsciously for most people. So yeah, if I follow what you mean it's "free" not free.
Cameras and recording devices have been prohibited at the majority of live performances since recording devices became practical to carry. Why on Earth should a recording device suddenly be exempt because it is buried in a phone?
I went to see a play in a 300 seat venue on Friday. and was blessed with being adjacent to a drama school group. The on-again off-again blue glow from these infernal devices was bloody distracting. I must, however, concede that I saw nobody recording the performance or using a flash; just completely ignoring the show. I realise that teens and 20-somethings cannot imagine a life without their personal phone but I also wonder why the phone is more important than the music/play/ballet/opera/whatever that they paid good money to see.
Patent litigation: A doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction... in which everyone seems willing to push the button
We all survived just fine.
Except those people who died because they were unable to call for help, for instance. Cellphone technology is great - one day it'll seem weird to call a person's house, instead of calling a person. Well, it already does seem kinda weird. Phones tied to the wall are a bit rude too, you can't normally turn them off, or put them on silent, and people often feel obligated to answer even if they're in the middle of something else. Cellphones, on the other hand, give you alot more control over your availability. This is a good thing in all respects.
And Alicia Keyes is being far too precious about her not very remarkable music.
The law is really irrelevant, aside from acquiring strength through numbers. All your "rights" depend on the self restraint of those with the ability to violate them, regardless what the contract says. The philosophizing is a nice way to spend the day at the pub, but from every angle, in this universe might still makes right.
As far as cell phones are concerned, the artists are only hurting themselves, but their contract might also demand it. Personally, I think they should be allowed, at least to film something interesting that might pop up somewhere offstage. Besides, if we can't have our phones, we'll find another way. Big Brother, Little Brother, everybody is watching. Nobody gets the advantage. That's how to protect your rights
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
the financially responsible idiot.
Why does a financially responsible idiot have a smartphone at all? Why doesn't he have a basic flip-phone with no data plan?
Do not eat in the Cinema, ever. It's rude, and it's uncivilised.
Sorry, can't agree. Have you ever noticed the outsized square footage that they give the snack bar? And they put it right at the entrance, to boot. For most of us, it's part of the experience.
At the new places that I was talking about, they are a full-fledged restaurant and bar that also shows a movie. Not only are you expected to eat there, but it would be kind of weird to go there if you weren't going to eat or drink.
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Yes, I've noticed it. It's how they make money. That doesn't make sitting in the dark eating food out of a bag civilised.
A fully-fledged restaurant with movie screens, preventing you from being able to pay proper attention to either, is just as bad. Come on man, sit around a table and eat and talk - then watch a movie in relative silence (ok, laugh at the funny bits.... not something you'd want to do with food in your mouth). It seems pretty reasonable to me.
The security crew is there to protect "the venue" and/or "the venue's" owners first. Once that's squared away maybe they'll look after the customers.
And how can I be sure even that (a) " the venue has a fully staffed security crew" or (b) that the crew such as it is has any training relevant to dealing with emergent situations? Businesses all over have been cutting staff to the bone to perk up their bottom line. The management of any given "venue" might decide that they don't need a "fully staffed" crew and that the crew members that they do employ don't need any "specific training".
Finally, a "fully staffed crew", trained or not, isn't going to help much if the message I'm not able to receive is that there's an urgent situation that I need to attend to away from "the venue".
And how, exactly, would my reading a text message telling me of an urgent situation interfere with anyone else's enjoyment of the show anyway?
We're supposed to stop doing what we've been doing all our lives because "brantondaveperson" on the intarwebs thinks it's "uncivilized"?
Fucking LOL.
Good luck with that. I strongly suggest you actually read all that shit behind the checkbox signifying you've read it (but never do.) You will lose instantly in court (assuming any court will even bother with your BS) and you'll be out the tickets and 100x their cost in lawyers fees.
Why do people feel unable to watch a movie, and actually concentrate on what's going on, without feeling the need to eat continuously? Do not eat in the Cinema, ever. It's rude, and it's uncivilised.
I completely agree with you, but I think we're in the minority these days. I rarely go to the movies, but happened to be at one a week ago. The person next to me had a tray brought to him with, and I'm not kidding:
huge drink
a "personal" pizza
couple boxes of candy
huge popcorn
good-sized ice cream sundae
It was comically sad, and the noise was absurd. People say stuffing their faces with sugar water and buttered cardboard is "part of the experience" -- okay, fine. They should have special theaters set aside for those people. Stick them in with the noisy kids as well, since neither group seems all that interested in the movie.
Unfortunately seeing as movie theaters make 85% of their profits from concessions, this will never change (and will probably just get worse). Maybe this is the single saving grace of 3D movies -- it's slightly harder to shovel crap into your mouth while wearing the glasses.
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Actually, someone working at Pulse Orlando took the trouble to post an emergency message on their Facebook page to the folks who were there: "... Pulse Orlando posted a haunting message on Facebook: “Everyone get out of pulse and keep running.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/06/12/it-was-just-complete-chaos-survivors-of-orlando-massacre-recall-desperate-struggle-to-stay-alive
That someone presumably on the scene had both the presence of mind and the courage to type out that message during the attack impressed me greatly.
But I guess that if everybody had their phones locked up in a bag that would have been an especially futile gesture indeed. Perhaps luckily for some who survived the attack, Alicia Keyes wasn't on the bill that night.
The ON SITE EMTs will deal with it. If a bear rampages through the crowd, THE STAFF will call whomever is needed. YOU don't need to be in constant 24/7 contact with Facebook, texts, and email. You don't burst into flames every time you pass into an area with no signal.
Why do people think the world will end if they don't have a cell phone bonding to their hand? We've managed to (over) populate the world without those things. I think you'll be ok in a place surrounded by a lot of other people.
Oh god, get over yourself.. While I'm no fan of today's overly indulgent parenting, insufferable snobs like you are the opposite end of the spectrum and just as bad. Hell, they're probably what today's society is now overcompensating for.
Using your logic, I could make a better claim against eating and talking.. It's uncivilized to talk with your mouth full, after all, as no one wants to see what the food looks like after it's been chewed.
As you get older, you'll start seeing the aspects of society that have actually regressed while being called "progress". Usually it involves your rights being stripped away or trampled on by government, big business, and people who would call themselves your fellow citizens if it weren't so obvious they were trying to be your master.
Yes, you too will pine for the Good Old Days.
Come on man, sit around a table and eat and talk
Yes, we do that the other 29 or 30 nights of the month. The dinner/movie thing is the exception. One can vary a routine from time to time.
It seems pretty reasonable to me.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. What seems reasonable to you seems overly stuffy and rigid to me. Part of depends on the movie - there isn't much in a comic book movie that demands great attention. Schindler's List doesn't make me overly hungry :)
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"I had the cure for his stroke right here in my pocket. If only I had known..."
Does anyone actually watch shitty cell phone recordings of concerts instead of buying the CD or going to a concert?
Time makes more converts than reason
Better yet. If somebody violates their request. They should stop their set. Peer pressure of other attending the concert will stop the unwanted behavior.
It's quite possible to have a phone in a venue and *not* be a douche. There's plenty of people who do it every day, you just don't notice because they're doing it right!
This applies to almost every law out there. I know people who can drive just fine while operating a cell phone, and others who can't due to the distraction. The laws are always aimed at the lowest common denominator, and the masses are punished for the actions of the few.
If you can get away with it while not bothering anyone, good on ya.
Not civilized, but does lower the ticket price a little for those of us who refuse to pay $$$ for lousy food.
Like you said it is part of the experience. It has always been like this since I can remember from the 70's, and I'm sure it's been that way long before then too.
What you are expecting is a home theatre experience in a public theatre. With that kind of expectation you are always going to find disappointment especially on opening weekends.
Probably best to stick to home theatre, or wait a bit until the crowds have died down a bit.
But I feel your pain. Some movies I want less distraction like Interstellar, Gravity, etc. I've found IMAX (not lieMAX) to be a better venue as the concessions stands are smaller and not the primary source of income. The ticket prices are higher so parents are less likely to bring a bunch of little kids, rowdy teens probably don't care enough for the higher quality or can't afford it, etc.Not always but generally speaking.
I really don't understand why movie theaters can't be built with a single-occupant unisex toilet and soundproof door
Semen. We don't have those because they'd be covered in semen.
Well, if you insist on going to those sorts of movie theatres...
"ATTENTION PATRONS:
Your concert ticket includes a $15.00 cell phone deposit.
If you in any way use your cell during the concert, you
will not have the deposit returned.
Ushers will enforce the policy by monitoring the numbered
seats.
Thank you,
The MANAGEMENT"
There is nothing like seeing a good band or musician in a small club like venue, the sound and feel is so-much better. In the SF bay area there are many small clubs and some of the best shows happen there. I can recall seeing Blue Oyster Cult playing under a pseudonym Soft White Underbelly giving great shows and playing tunes they'd never do on a big stage. Even today, every now and then someone really famous will wander in and play a set with the house band or whomever is top bill for the night.
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True, I was referring to the use of a technical means, but you are correct. A restaurant, theatre or really any private business has the right to set the rules and enforce them by asking people to leave, I just think that possible need for emergency use should outweigh a silly solution like the sealed bag idea the article provided. Just patrol and toss out those that violate the rules.
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I am old enough to remember the time when you did not even own your home phone but leased them all from Ma Bell, and a pay phone call cost $.10. That doesn't mean it was better. The town I was born in had a shared phone exchange and lines, you had to use an operator to assist you in dialing any number outside the local exchange. There was a time when people died regularly from simple infections, and TB crippled lots of people, it sucked then. The good old days really weren't all that golden. I do totally agree with you though on one point, smart phones seem to be making dumb people, but I still carry a dumb flip phone and don't text.
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His logic is spot on. And if you don't like to sacrifice that much of your private life for your work, maybe you should negotiate a better deal with your employer? Or make sure that there is enough pressure that employers don't expect this kind of insane shit, by joining a union?
"I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
I'm not sure they're doing it for the right reasons. I suspect the artists motivation is to not have videos of their performances floating on the net. Which is a stupid reason. It's actually good advertisement. Before I go to a concert I'd like to know what to expect. I don't buy a ticket at face value. Any and all concerts I've been to was because I saw recordings of the live performance and I knew what to expect.
So Alicia Keys is a nanny now as well as a performer.
from TFA: "a special pouch that is locked up with their smartphone inside the fan keeps that pouch with them during the event, but they can't get to the device to call, take photos, or shoot video." - until they rip or cut the pouch open.
Maximum inconvenience for people who follow their rules, minimum inconvenience for people who plan on breaking their rules.
"This generation cares more about "free" "
There's are a lot of attitudes and behaviors you need to embed yourself in to access that kind of free, and it probably happens unconsciously for most people. So yeah, if I follow what you mean it's "free" not free.
Yes, you are correct. It does happen unconsciously for most people these days, as no one reads or cares about a EULA, or is concerned that some social media app "needs" access to your microphone, camera, GPS, and contacts in order for the user to post glorified text messages.
To personify this for a moment, Free has brainwashed the masses. Privacy was brought to the city square and beheaded. And Freedom is now under constant surveillance, treated like a criminal. All former definitions have been mutilated.
"fans are handed a special pouch that is locked up with their smartphone inside the fan keeps that pouch with them during the event"
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Garry Knight
I feel slightly bad that I laughed at that. Just slightly.
My kids' school has a no camera/phone/tablet policy at all performances. No-one has died of a medical emergency so far.
form a roman-shield formation
The word you are looking for is phalanx.
Where is this magical place where food is brought to me? Please say it is near Pittsburgh.
You must be German. They always have a final solution to what irks them. (Joke stolen from/inspired by Stephen Lynch's song Little Tiny Mustache.)
Ha! No such luck - I'm in Philly. The brand around here is "Movie Tavern". They are popping up all over - we are lucky enough to have one within about 15 minutes.
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So your version of enjoy vs. other's version of enjoy. Sorry, I forgot that your preferences trump others just because they're based on an older way of doing things.
Yeah, a sea of cell phone screens is a nusiance at times...but the same argument can be made for people standing, singing along, jumping around, dancing, eating, etc. I think it's comical that performers think cell phone video, even actual camcorder video, from someone in the crowd is going to replace attending a concert. It's about the same as people who watch bootleg DVDs of some just-released movie. They wouldn't have paid to see it in the theatre anyway...but they tell their friends how great it is and some of those invariable DO go see it.
Don't worry...I'll get off your lawn too.
You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
If something is 'free' for you, then you're likely the product. Facebook/google/etc. - your preferences and habits and eyeballs are sold to advertizers. ladies night at bars...yeah the ladies are the product being sold to men willing to come and buy lots of drinks (including for the ladies who otherwise drink for free which i find comical) and the list goes on.
EULA's are comical, ridiculous, and one of these days need to be banned or at least severely curtailed. A ~20+ page 'agreement' which is effectively impossible to understand without a law degree that changes on a whim even for a minor service...it completely ridiculous and abusive.
You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
Just because you can point out a situation within his situation that invalidates it under specific circumstances doesn't invalidate the general premise.
There are many situations where being able to reach someone quickly in an emergency can make a big difference on the outcome.
This is nothing more than a pretentious move by a narcissistic performer who doesn't actually understand the mentality of their fans.
You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
Regular scissor, sure. But not safety scissors.
If we are being pedantic about it, actually, the word he is looking for is "testudo." But thanks for playing.
So your version of enjoy vs. other's version of enjoy. Sorry, I forgot that your preferences trump others just because they're based on an older way of doing things.
Paying money to walk into a building to see a LIVE performer in front of your eyes and then spending 90% of that evening doing nothing but staring at a cell phone screen is not merely a "new way of doing things". It makes no sense whatsoever. That's not me being old-fashioned. It's me pointing out the utter stupidity of paying all that money to GO see a LIVE performance and then ignoring the fuck out of it.
Yeah, a sea of cell phone screens is a nusiance at times...but the same argument can be made for people standing, singing along, jumping around, dancing, eating, etc.
Very true, which is also why mosh pits are NOT the most popular form of concert support on the planet. Your eyes and ears are still the dominant senses at a concert, which even the performer would agree with, since their message is conveyed across those senses. If I wanted to stare at the back of someone's head while listening to music, I can put in headphones and go find a line/queue to stand in for a while for a hell of a lot cheaper.
I think it's comical that performers think cell phone video, even actual camcorder video, from someone in the crowd is going to replace attending a concert. It's about the same as people who watch bootleg DVDs of some just-released movie. They wouldn't have paid to see it in the theatre anyway...but they tell their friends how great it is and some of those invariable DO go see it.
Don't worry...I'll get off your lawn too.
It doesn't replace attending a concert. What it does do is prevent people who ARE willing to pay good money to enjoy a performance from attending again, due to the utter stupidity. Imagine if a mosh pit broke out during an Adele concert. And the performer nor the security staff did a damn thing about it. Now imagine if that happened at the next dozen venues. You really think her current fan base would continue attending? No way in hell. This is about preserving the experience for those who wish to enjoy a performance in a sensible manner. Asking or demanding cell phones to be turned off is another way of asking for that sensibility. Again, you're there to see the performer and the performance, not feed your social media narcissism or record a bootleg for YouTube.
Chaos vs. Common Sense. We now know which lawn this performer happens to prefer.
As someone who works at a concert venue this is just another thing the workers have to manage all while dealing with the drunks, troublemakers, and people who think they should be allowed to bring in all manner of food, drinks, weapons, and whatever else they seem to think they need to shlep from home to a concert. How about we just make this simple. Strip down everyone before they go in.
I'd have to say GrumpySteen has a better point than you do. He seems to be reading just fine. The problem is you aren't comprehending the holes he's poking in your statements.
Seems silly to me. The cost barely justifies the ends. I sympathize with artists (most of whom struggle to make a living), yet if one does the math, the cost is not justifiable. e.g. Say an arena seats 10,000, and 6,000 phones need to be checked. If 6,000 (cellphone security bags) cost perhaps $5/ea, that is $30,000. Consider a 10%-to-20% loss per event, that is 600-1200 replacements per event, at an additional cost of $3,000-$6,000 per event.
I question if that artist would be loosing that much in lost sales, as I cannot see fans opting to wait for the YouTube version vs. being there for the event.
True, I may be biased, as I prefer to support my fav artists first hand. Yet, if I happen to take a video at an event, it is because I want to remember something. And, if I show it to friends, there is a good chance those friends will buy tix for that artist's next event (or perhaps a CD or a download).
On the other hand, who foots the bill for the devices? Surely it is passed-on to the ticket buyer.
Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.
Law enforcement everywhere is GOING DARK!!! They must havz cellphonez and they must havz access at all times or THEY'LL GO DARK.
There was apparently no law enforcement detective work prior to their wanting to download your iphone.
Just like concerts with useless divas didn't exist before cellphones.
Let's just band everything that's irritating.
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Cops can't search a purse without a warrant or consent, why can a concert venue? Oh, right. You aren't allowed to attend unless you surrender your 4th Amendment rights.
You need not surrender your 4th Amendment rights. In case you didn't know, there are better musicians performing at bars and coffee houses in every city for a fraction of the cost (if not free), begging concert-goers to post their photos and videos on YouTube.
I'd simply refuse to enter
One less fucking moron with a phone on this show
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Annoying others? Isn't it to stop videoing of the concert?
Cut the bag open? Seems a rather stupid way to "prevent" usage of your phone to me. Very very easy to bypass.
Sorry, requiring me to traverse a crowd, get a 'bagel' from a cretinous bouncer and unlock a bag in order to deal with a true emergency is only going to get you sued eventually. I have no trouble being told to keep it in my pocket and silent. I have no problem not using it to record shows, take selfies or post to (insert social media site of the day). But if it goes off, I am checking it. I have children. Yes, the species flourished before cell-phones. But we are better off with them. We are even better off adhering to etiquette regarding them.
For what issues isn't it "their venue, their rules"? They can't deny you access to the event on grounds of race, sex, religion, and other cases of belonging to a protected class. They can't do or require illegal things. Other than that, they've pretty much got carte blanche. If you don't like the rules, don't go. You have no legal right to attend a concert on your own terms. You have no legal right to collect a refund because you misunderstood the rules.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Obviously doesn't have the chops of the Beastie Boys, who recorded an entire concert with phones supplied to fans, in 2006.
Nothing like hearing the dumbass next to you with a phone that's ringing and he won't turn it off. Ring and ring and ring and..... Because the person on the other end has to tell them that it's daytime outside.
Haha. Nice to know I'm just as bad. You scoff your popcorn, I'm not going to stop you. But yes, why not be strict about such things? Eat dinner at the table, never in front of the television. Avoid stuffing your face in the cinema. Be polite. Put your knife and fork together after a meal. You're a human being, and are capable of good manners, and will be thought of better generally if you can stick to them.
I'm not using logic to back up good manners, since they're clearly social constructs that differ from one society to the next. In some places, I assume, wearing one's shoes inside is considered the height of disrespect. Obviously, actually taking with a mouthful of food is fairly impolite, but normally when eating a meal one does not spent the entire time chewing. There are occasional breaks for breath, during which some conversation might occur.
Recently I hapenned to be in a theatre, and the family next to ours had brought with them enough food to spend the entire time eating. The. Entire. Time. Constant intake of food. That they were also fairly obese isn't material, and could be coincidence, but good lord they made alot of noise over it. Are you really so hungry that you can't fast for a couple of hours during a movie?
Because he is taking half of what I said out of context. There are clear laws against the example he is using, and I cited quite plainly that law has the power to take rights away. You don't get to take only half of someone's argument then try to use it against them.
You are born with the right to absolutely anything you can imagine. The only thing any law can do is TAKE RIGHTS AWAY.
You see that part in bold? Yeah. That's the part he's intentionally not reading. Hence my remark about not bothering to argue with people who can't read. You can't say I approve with people shoving hot pokers into people's asses as an "OK" thing when shoving pokers into people's asses (without their consent) is pretty clearly AGAINST THE LAW in most of the world.
But hey if you're the kind of guy who reads a recipe for a cake, stops reading where it says "break 3 eggs", and then sues the recipe book company because your cakes look a lot like eggs instead of cake, well...
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Drink drink.
Put bucket under seat.
When bladder full, piss in bucket.
Simples.
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Christ, don't go there. Here in Germany when the first year of school starts all the kids from town go on a stage to be greeted by the teacher and blessed by the local religious figure. It is an old and ancient tradition, called einschulung. I could not see my daughter cause of all the frikking parents crowding the stage with their cellphones to film THEIR little honeys. The rest of the parents, grandmas, grandpas and friends in the hall had nothing except the asses of cellphone-wielding parents.
The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
That they are going to watch once in their lives because the sound and quality is so bad.
The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
"They can't do or require illegal things."
Agreed
Imagine how I felt when I typed it.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.