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Would You Buy the iPhone 8 If It Cost $1,200? (9to5mac.com)
As we near the launch of the next iPhone, rumors are swirling about what it may feature. One of the most recent reports comes from developer and blogger John Gruber, who claims the iPhone 8 will have a starting price of around $1200. 9to5Mac reports: He last week said that he believed that what we've been referring to as the iPhone 8 would be called the iPhone Pro and that he actually hoped it would be really expensive: "I hope the iPhone Pro starts at $1500 or higher. I'd like to see what Apple can do in a phone with a higher price." As you might imagine, that generated quite a bit of discussion. Gruber has backed down somewhat from this position, and is now suggesting a starting point of around $1200: "$1,500 as a starting price is probably way too high. But I think $1,200 is quite likely as the starting price, with the high-end model at $1,300 or $1,400." His argument is effectively that Apple is constrained in what it can do in a phone because any technology included in the phone has to be available in huge volumes. If it were willing to sell fewer at a higher price, then it would have more options. There has been speculation that Gruber may have been tipped by Apple, and using his posts to prepare the ground for what would otherwise be a severe case of sticker shock. But Gruber denied this. If Apple does launch the iPhone 8 with a 4-figure price tag, would you buy it?
But I wouldn't be surprised if the legions of apple fans would pay nearly any amount for one.
Betteridge's law of headlines is true!
Problem with apple products is not product cost itself.
Problem is: Phone costs 800$, extra charger in apple store costs 150$.
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Seems wiser to stick to a cellular phone which the foolish call "dumb". ;)
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
I wouldn't buy it at $200, why would I buy it at $1,200?
"Would You Buy the iPhone 8 If It Cost $1,200? " ...and they were much less powerful then.
Sure!
I bought a PC when it cost 10.000$, when it cost 5000$ when it cost 2000$
No, I would not buy the iPhone.
Not a hope in hell. being locked down in their ecosystem negates the value of any significant premium hardware increases. besides which unless they have worked out something amazing in battery, holographics or such I personally can't think of much that could even be all that interesting hardware wise, gimmicky 3D or VR maybe but that would be a death sentence just like it was for 3D TV's and looking that way for VR headsets too . I don't need smaller or lighter, CPU, memory, storage, graphics are all more than adequate in most top end phones, really getting like PC's a little now where you can work quite happily on older hardware as long as it is still supported with updates.
If I buy something does not solely depend on the price. It also depends on the value I get from the item.
So when asking the question, you should ask "Are those features worth X".
I haven't seen the final list for the next iPhone yet. So I cannot say yet if it will be worth Y dollars.
In the past, the iPhones I bought were worth every penny I paid. But be aware: the value may depend on your needs. So what may be true for me, must not be true for everyone else.
The iPhone is not made to last, the battery cannot be replaced, it cannot be opened by a normal person and be repaired or upgraded. Apps are not better, they are made to run swiftly on older versions. You are just buying a phone with next year's specs, and after that it's just like any old phone, which will scratch, which battery will fail, which will become slower and slower. So: No.
Under calculus you can make the maximum profit selling many for a small price or a few for a large price.
However, if you are seeking market space penetration, you need to sell many. For $1200 I can buy many Android phones.
Nope!
You mean like a headphone jack?
I honestly would if it could replace my laptop. Mobile Phones nowadays are perfectly able to do so, the only thing they lack is a screen and a battery. I am looking forward to a laptop that can detach and become a phone. We already have tablet/laptop hybrids, phone/laptop hybrids are just the next step.
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"I'd like to see what Apple can do in a phone with a higher price."
Remove even more ports?
Is the summary correct, is he claiming that you can do "more" if you don't mass produce something??? If Apple wanted to add some more exotic technology, they could simply lower their industry leading profit margin and instead of selling a $220 device for $650 they could sell a $400-$500 device for $800 or something like that.
To answer the question, I only have an iPhone (6 Plus) because my work provides it for development and although I am free to use it as a personal phone, I prefer a $200 Xiaomi Mi5 as it can do so much more. And Android is by far not my ideal mobile OS either (I still miss my Maemo/Meego N9 - damn you Stephen Elop for burying it), but I still find an Android phone more useful than an iOS one, even if I get the latter for free. So, no, $1200 would make it even more unlikely for me to get an iPhone. Which is a shame, as the apps that exist for both iOS and Android are most of the time better on iOS (for rather obvious - to devs at least - reasons), but there are many things you simply cannot do.
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That's it!
Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
Every 2-3 years there are compelling reasons to change..
Like what ?
I'm genuinely curious, what exactly can't I do with my Galaxy S3 ?
Send and receive calls ? Check
Send text messages ? Check
Browse the internet ? Check
Have an ftp server ? Check
Take 8 MP photos ? Check
Take Videos ? Check
Removable storage ? Check
Edit Microsft documents ? Check
Encryption ? Check
VPN support ? Check
etc...
Ok, my S3 is plastic but what the hell. Can't have it all I suppose.
Next question.
I wouldn't buy it for any price, really. It isn't the functionality or the hardware, but the fact that you are tied into only ever using Apple's app store etc etc - plus the fact that you have to actually BUY the development tools and learn yet another languages, when the Android comes without the same degree of tie-in, plus you can download the whole development kit for free and it is Java, a language that actually has applications outside the phone. In a way, it isn't the iPhone that I don't want, it is Apple.
I will spend another year with my iphone 6
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Personally I wouldn't buy an iPhone for 1/3rd of that price. A better question is: If you bought an iPhone at $600 would you buy one for $1200.
On top of features, I would add: how long can the user reasonably expect to keep their device, which depends on several factors. Is the user likely to switch service provider (because they move, get better coverage, get a better deal, etc.) and would the device support the new set of radio frequencies? How durable is the device and can it be repaired (broken screen, etc.)? Given the user’s circumstances, how high are the risks that they could break or lose the device, and how well could they stomach a possible loss? Etc.
... like making me fly, giving me the body of a well-trained Ryan Gosling and making all good looking girls wanting to have sex with me I would consider buying it for that price.
Other than that: No.
Just got a Moto G5 Plus. Still a compromise. I wanted a 6"+ phablet with massive battery live, rugged case, stock android and uncastrated memory. Huawei Mate 9 and Xiaomi Mi Max came resonably close to those specs but I steered clear for various resons. The Moto G5 Plus but it's the best compromise. 32GB storage, 3GB RAM, good camera, near stock android. Common and as such cases and protective glas easyly available. 280 Euros. Close to the maximum I'm willing to spend on a smartphone. I would've stuck with my Moto G2, but it only has 8GB memory - which is a drag.
Given that, at the current rate, I replace my phone roughly every 3 years spending 1200€ would be a waste of money.
My 2 eurocents.
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I would not like it here or there.
I would not like it anywhere.
I do not like the iPhone look
I do not like it, Timmy Cook.
(and yes, that third line works better with Macbook, but sadly they didn't bring out a new model in the past decade and I grew tired waiting for it)
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Nobody has seen an iPhone 8. Nobody knows what it does. Therefore nobody knows what it would be worth.
Asking me if I would pay $1,200 for a phone, when I have never seen it, when I have never used it, when nobody can tell me what it does? That's a nonsense question.
I might consider one for $100 though.
I can get pretty much any phone for a dollar if I get a new mobile contract.
How does contract costs change if you get it without phone? Isn't it just a hidden leasing?
A variation of the old Door in the Face strategy.
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Even if apple were to give me the next iPhone for free, or pay me $1,200 to take it, I wouldn't. I never really liked the iPhone. I never really liked apple products. Well, mainly apple OSs - their choice of hardware is normally pretty good, even if it if overpriced.
That said, I'd have to seriously consider paying out that amount of money for an Android phone. In the past I've paid around $800, and that was also a fairly serious consideration. Having paid out that amount, I expect the phone to last me many years before I need to upgrade. The hardware is still good and I've no issues there -- however, if I want Android O then I'll need a new phone. If I had to pay $1,200 or more, I would expect it to last several more years, and for the OS to be upgraded for many more years. And that's probably not likely for either OS.
apple do have a better track record for updating old devices, so apple people may be more likely to pay out that amount. Plus, historically, apple people have been more inclined to pay bigger bucks for the devices -- even to the point of selling a kidney to get one. So I'd almost wager that they could set any price on it and the majority would pay it to upgrade -- even if this year's model was only a minor improvement over last year's. The iPhone could end up being a textbook case of a Giffen good (where demand rises with price).
I'm reminded of a story, but I can't find it online, where a shop owner asked the assistant to mark down several ugly statues from $15 to $10 in order to sell them out. The assistant made a mistake and priced them all at $100, and they all sold out that day. Many people will associate higher prices with a better product, and will see identical products differently depending on the price.
One for people who aren't handy with tech (i.e. 'just works' through lifetime, no maintenance software or otherwise), durable to being dropped hard, which isn't too noticeably inferior to latest iPhone's? (I guess mainly memory wise, for the apps...)
Seriously, if you're on this site you should be nerdy enough to be a well paid IT professional that could easily afford it, no need to go dumpster diving for phones. If you're not, maybe you should be soul searching a bit about why. Personally I never felt the need to get hacking on/from my phone, that's what my computer is for but if you want to go all CyanogenMod that's okay. But I got an iPhone SE and feel it was totally worth the money. That said, for $1200 it would have to do something new and amazing. But then again that's the premise, would you buy a $1200 phone if it did something revolutionary new and amazing. I'm surprised at the level of ludditism here where you don't know what it is, but you're damn sure you don't want it.
Same thing when RED announced their phone, it sounded like a producer of high end movie cameras with quite possibly the best sensor technology in the world was pulling a Kickstarter scam or something. Is it expensive? Is it possibly a ridiculously stupid business idea? Yes, but three cheers for the guy who wants to build a billion dollar rocket to fly to Mars because that's cool. No way the next great thing could be in your pocket. My biggest doubt though is that the phone is something I carry almost 24x7x365, it goes everywhere and it's not always treated nice. It gets battered and bruised so much it'll probably have to be replaced every so often no matter what so that $1200 dollars would have to get written off pretty quick. That's a tough sell, but I'm willing to hear the sales pitch. Taken with copious amounts of salt.
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I would definitely consider it if there was something worthwhile for the money. I have trouble imagining such a thing - Vertu phones don't do it for me - but you never know.
Only $1200?! Shut up and take my money! /s
Seriously though, the era of $700 smartphones was mostly over once carriers stopped subsidizing them. Now that you pay an installment plan rather than getting it 'free' it's harder to want to spend that much. For my personal iPhone 8 speculation, I think it'll have a 10-bit Rec.2020 (HDR) camera and OLED screen for HDR color support; I suspect there isn't enough volume of small quantum-dot displays to supply the new iPhones. DPI may have hit the wall of diminishing returns, but color accuracy has a LONG way to go on mobile devices; Apple could easily destroy everything else on the market in terms of color reproduction. This'll also allow for displaying HDR video, like from streaming services or UHD Blurays. I know of one phone that has a quantum-dot display, but AFAIK it's still only able to use sRGB gamut. Android has no gamma/colorspace calibration settings, I seem to recall. Imagine if you hold your phone up to a mirror in a dark room, and the selfie camera automatically calibrates the color on your screen; calibration can cause a massive reduction in screen color error. Samsung phones' OLED displays have a wide gamut, but stretch the corners of the sRGB gamut so colors are oversaturated (i.e. pretty), rather than accurate. Hopefully they'll nuke the Lightning connector (it still connects at USB 2.0 speeds) and replace it with USB-C (USB 3.1 or Thunderbolt 3, I don't care much.) USB-C now supports digital audio with the latest standard, so it could replace the standard 3.5mm headphone jack with the new standard USB-C rather than the proprietary Lightning, correcting their misstep (although alienating those who bought Lightning headphones).
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
Pseudo-elitist dreams of being slightly more elitist without having to leave their conformist comfort zone.
what he really means is 'every kid on the block has an iphone these days, I pine for when I felt more special, so make a more expensive model so I can separate myself from the unwashed masses again (but actually I am a closet conformist, so it needs to be from my regular supplier, work in the same way - so please just make it cost more so I can buy myself a bit more 'special'..).
Believing that Apple is somehow constrained by price or volume is laughably laughable, they already delivery less for more and have demonstrated a willingness to have availability shortages (in fact historically have done it with a sense of pride during notable releases).
[Stands back to watch the koolaid drinkers backlash against reality]
Apple, you want to charge more for your product, because you feel constrained as to what you can do with a phone? The last time you felt constrained you removed the headphone jack. And that's but one "feature" (out of dozens) users never asked for.
Hundreds of billions sitting in offshore tax havens, already obscene profit margins, and you feel the need to charge even more. This flavor of Greed is only matched by the stupidity of customers willing to pay that much for your product. Sadly, I'm certain the lines will be longer than ever on release day.
I am in no way average as a consumer.
I just got a Lenovo P2 and I freaking love that thing! I charge it about every two to four days while happily watching the Plex media (synced to to 128GB SD card I added in lieu of a second SIM) during my commute.
It's not perfect. Still doesn't have a hardware keyboard but damned if it isn't the first smartphone since the Desire Z I actually don't hate using.
And it didn't even cost half of the usual flagship phones. (my employer spent a bit over half of what a flagship phone would have cost even after contract extension rebates... and that's without contract extension)
My wife's now P2 is in the mail to replace her dying Lumia 930.
No, but I'm sure some idiot would.
My problem is not price but value-for-money. It's not there in Apple products, reflected in their ludicrously high margins. They aren't giving you anywhere near the value that the devices and associated services cost.
But Samsung aren't much better. I wouldn't touch any of their top-range smart phones either. And I can't see why my S5 mini is basically an S5 WITHOUT USB host functionality. Basically everything else is identical, but a software / TINY hardware change, makes things not work on the Mini for no real discernible reason.
But I factored that into my value analysis when I bought it. It's not worth paying extra, for a screen that I think is too big, just to get USB host. In similar terms of what I actually want to do on the phone, Apple doesn't even get a look-in. Never has.
But I'm sure there are people out there with money to burn, because EVERY new model of smartphone has people who buy it by the truckload, which is just unfathomable to me. Most of them don't use it for anything more than a quick snap, checking Facebook, and texting their friends. Hell, I've met people who barely use 5% of the functions / apps on their phone, or even know what they do (e.g. introducing people to using Map apps as a satnav etc.).
Why you'd pay that money for a device you don't even understand the basic capabilities of, I can't work out. It's like buying a Ferrari sports car when you can't even drive a Fiat Panda or have never heard of air-conditioning. You do it entirely for the show.
Phones drop, get ruined by water and are obsolete after a year. I don't mind spending money for a durable object, but I don't want to agonize about dangling my phone over the side of a boat to take photos. Will reconsider if and when there are inexpensive repairs and upgrades available.
I've had iDevices, including an iPad Air. Sure, the hardware was nice, but the user experience is so locked-down, strangled and limited that it was a real hassle to use it.
Not worth it.
Eat the rich.
i bought a galaxy S6 about a year ago and i hardly use it for anything other than phone calls and txt msgs , when this phone craps out i am not buying another expensive smartphone, i will buy just enough phone to do what i want, (no point in buying expensive features i will never use)
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Yes, if the $1200 model is the iPhone I like best, and I may buy more for family members too. I want a company that takes security seriously, that controls the entire product from the hardware up (no security if you don't) , that can update the software it provides without asking my cell carrier for permission, that is willing to stand up to the FBI, and, yes, that vets every app I download. I consider the last a valuable service; you may not. $1200 over two or maybe three years is dirt cheap compared to what I am getting.
Meh all this article tells me is that the iPhone8 is going to be more expensive than the last iteration, all this rubbish about $1200-$1500 is just to soften the blow .. it will not cost anything like as much so Apple can say look we listened and decided to be couragous and only charged an extra $100-$200 dollars this time.
What a nut case this guy is, the 'top end' phones are already way to expensive as they are now. Not a chance i'm paying €800 for a phone.
My maximum budget is €200 and that gets you a really great phone already, suiting more then my needs. Paying €600 extra could never be worth the added value these 'top end' phones provide.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
I'd be willing to bet our CEO and the majority of other higher-ups who are self important will want one ASAP. After all, Apple products are, by and large, a status symbol, not something you buy because it's actually worth what you pay for it.
Problem being is IF you get a fancy phone, quite a few others will also want your fancy phone. I seem to recall a commercial a couple of years ago about a person being mugged and they gave his phone back to him (hilarious). I kind of like that idea that others would not be interested in wanting my phone even if they stole it.
Removable storage ? Check
Too many recent phones lack that. And some lack the headphone jack. Sometimes things change for the worse.
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either. And that's the only reason I have or have ever had an iPhone - my company 'issues them.
I'm not buying the iPhone 8 at any price.
or a removable battery?
or a modern interface?
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I guess the are. OMG I broke Betteridge's law.
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The only way I'd use an iPhone is if someone gave it to me for free. I'm not re-buying or buying equivalent apps, and I do things with my phone that you can't do without it being open to your control instead of only that of the manufacturer.
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Period.
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I have a Note 4. Perfect phone, no issues, does more. My Note 4 still out performs the latest iPhone and I see no way I would switch. Ever. I am now waiting on the Note 8 and I am sure I will be happy with it also.
As a current iPhone owner of a somewhat older model (5S), I'm torn between going with a 6S or 7 in the future. Should the 8 arrive and be within the "regular" iPhone price range, my debate will change to whether to get a 7 or 8. If it arrives at the $1200 price range, no matter what cool new features it offers, it would probably be uninteresting until software developers actually wrote stuff to take advantage of the new features. Meaning, I'd just assume wait til the iPhone 9 arrives, so that software is available, and (presumably) the part shortages the author alludes to would be remedied.
But somewhere I read that Apple refuses to use a part in their phone unless they can obtain them from two independent sources. Makes me think the scenario that the author alludes to wouldn't occur at all. Yes, Apple sells pricey gear, but they're in the "pricey but reasonable" area, in order to maximize both sales and profits. Going all in on price to the exclusion of sales at all, that would be a reversion to the tactics of the 80's/90's which saw them in doom and gloom mode...
I've got an iPhone 6+. I'm quite happy with it.
On the other hand, I may well get an iPad Pro (to replace my 1st gen iPad Air) when iOS 11 comes out. ..bruce..
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Wont buy even if it costs $120
...does it have an earphone jack?
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Removable storage ? Check
Too many recent phones lack that. And some lack the headphone jack. Sometimes things change for the worse.
I've probably used my headphone jack at most a dozen times in the last 2 years... not that often... but there's no way in hell I'd get a phone without one.
Different priorities for different people. Other people may not care, and that's fine... but it still strikes me as a bizarre step.
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It is approaching the cost of a gold bar in your pocket!
No one would shoot you in the face and take your $1200 Gold Bar would they?
I would not purchase an iPhone if it were free... I trust Apple almost as much as I "trust" Microsoft!
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Apple solved this. A stolen iphone is 100% useless on the black market as they cant register it or get into it without the owner releasing it from icloud. And so many people are getting burned on that.
Pawn shops refuse to take an iphone if you can not prove it has been full released and reset. Even the craigslisters are asking for proof that it's released before purchase..... well the ones that have a brain are.
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I haven't used wired headphones for 3 years now. Bluetooth is so much more convenient and even in my car it's automatically connected.
Honestly, give up the cheap wired things and try the wireless stuff. It's extremely convenient. Both android and iphone are fantastic without wires. there really is no real reason to have to search for a cable to plug in or even dig the phone out of my pocket anymore.
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They keep pushing the costs just to see what they can get away with. Watch the faces of the consumers when the first tear down discloses how much the thing costs to build and enjoy the schadenfreude.
It would bring a tear to P.T. Barnum's eye I'm sure.
Apple should jump in the wayback machine and go ask Silicon Graphics how well their elitist pricing worked out for them.
You can get away with it for a while as long as you're the only game in town. Once you have competition, however, the game changes and you either adapt or cease to be.
To answer the original question of if I would buy one ? I'll borrow a far more colorful answer:
I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request.
Means "no".
Not sure why you say obscene. The iPhone margin isn't much higher than other high end smartphones, with the 7 being lower than the Note 3 and almost the same as the Pixel (https://www.techwalls.com/production-costs-of-smartphones/).
Those "profit margins" also just compare retail cost to materials cost. They don't include R&D, certification, developing the OS, shipping, retail staff, support, warranty, disposal, etc. Considering Apple makes their own OS instead of using one offered by an analytics company, you might easily consider the iPhone margin lower than high end Android phones.
The iPhone markup is high for a computer, similar to competing smartphones, and utterly insignificant compared to other types of luxury designer retail.
As any programmer, knows NOTHING is 100% when it comes to software/hardware in this day and age. There is always something that is not taken into account. As long as human beings create or design something, there will always be a way around any security measure put into place. Make it difficult? Yes, but currently it will NEVER be a 100% guarantee.
No, I wouldn't get an iPhone even if it were free. I don't want to buy into their ecosystem, nor do I want to reward their tax dodging, or their cult like practices.
My car is 5 years old so doesn't have Bluetooth as it wasn't standard in all cars back then.
As for "cheap wired things". The quality over wired headphones is greater than even the best possible Bluetooth headphones.
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Endless discussions on this matter are pointless. Just turn this into a poll and be done with it.
or a headphone jack?
If it had USB C I would be interested
things I would like :
USB C connector (they can do their Made For iPhone for everything but let me have a standard power jack please)
Iris scanner (not a crappy face scanner thats only for ruling out Iris defeat devices)
Fingerprint (touch ID Maintained via port on the back or power button)
Antennas (More of them, the antenna design needs a lot more work we could have multiple Wifi / LTE antenna if they didn't think thin but fast)
NFC responder (I'm fed up of carrying a badge around work to open doors, kill this already ! NFC reader is already in specs I want response)
Bluetooth 5 ( 5 is alive and they need to support more of the standard if not all of the relevant such as health device, HID, proximity and PAN )
Temperature (IR temperature reader exposed to developers to allow crowdsourced weather apps etc)
Navigation (full QZSS (japan), IRNSS(indian) Galileo(europe) and BeiDou(china) all merged together and error checking each other rather than just GPS/GLONASS )
I'd happily pay for that...
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I stepped off the upgrade bandwagon a while ago. Just like with cars, the used market offers fantastic value given the steep depreciation of electronics. Plus you get a year or so for other people to find the exploding batteries, dodgy touch sensors, update bugs, bending problems, wireless headphones to actually be shipped, etc. I guess there's always the "oooh factor", but honestly that goes away about a week after launch and no one gives a damn anymore, you just have another bar-shaped phone with a logo on it.
Wait, what was the question again? Ah, no I'm poor and still waiting for google to release a cheap nexus. Mean while I'm still on my nexus 5.
Sure there's some impressive stuff that phones can do these days, but frankly I expect to never again purchase a phone that's priced higher than "midrange." I pay for my own devices, and I'm not so well off that $1k+ is something I'd consider pocket change or even a purchase I'd make without a second thought.
Phones get dropped. Phones get wet. Phones get things dropped or placed on top of them. Phones get left behind. Phones get stolen. Because of the size and having them always with you, it's even easier for any of these to happen to a phone than to a laptop.
Get what will meet your realistic needs for a year or two at 1/3 the price of the New Hotness, set it up so if you lose it it's not a catastrophe (online backup, remote wipe, etc.), and in a year or two do the same thing again. If you're lucky you'll be able to sell the old one, but given all the bad things that can happen to phones don't count on it - it's a consumable, not an investment.
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You know, as soon as you FAndroids can tell me how to update this phone to the latest revision of Nougat (7.1.1), that was bought running Nougat (7.0), your pointless blustering might just hold a little bit of weight. For all this "versatility" and "lack of being stuck in Apple's walled garden" crap you folks blindly spew, it sure feels restrictive here in Android-ville.
Now lets wait for a bunch of little propellerheads to start asking "what phone?" and "have you rooted?" and pointing me to some blogs where some guy somewhere hacked the shit out of something until it "installed" but freezes and crashes like crazy. But it runs! lol. Hardly.
In case some of you don't get it, this is why Apple is STILL winning. This is why Apple devices are perceived as 'better' by the masses. Because, well, they are. Sure some certain Android running device may do something an Apple device doesn't. Same looking back the other direction as well, no? The point is Apple devices work. Reliably, predictably, and consistently. I have both, I carry both, but when I need to rely on my devices one of them clearly shines - and it ain't running Android. I really do like Nougat a lot, but it definitely irritates me that not only can I NOT upgrade to the latest builds, there's ZERO indication when I will be able to IF EVER! That is a losing proposition right there.
I'm also curious what he thinks Apple can implement with the extra margin that they can't already do on the iPhone? I'm sure they can put fancier, higher resolution screens, maybe a crazy camera, etc. But I don't think people are going to pay a 60-80% increase for a marginally better camera, and I don't think there is a killer new use case that is just waiting for this one expensive technology to be put on the phone.
Do they pay you the $1200 right when you take it, or do you have to use it continuously and they pay you over the course of a whole year, or what?
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I wouldn't drop 1,200 on ANY mobile device.
Well, unless it were also my computer which I could then dock and play games on ( desktop games, not mobile ). The dock and associated peripherals would have to be included in that 1,200, or no deal.
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So you sell something like 26(!) iToys, and then are amazed that someone paid you several times the price of a brand new iPhone 7? Boy, do you depreciate your property quickly!
I had a perfectly good 5s, but I wanted something w/ Apple Pay, and when my chance to upgrade arrived, iPhone 7 was just a couple of months away, so I waited. I then passed on the 5s to my niece, and got the 7. Originally, when I bought the 5s, I wasn't mindful that the 6 was just months away: had I been, I'd have waited then itself and not upgraded to 7.
Anyone who blindly says "yes" or "no" can be safely ignored.
As always, it depends on various factors. What features will it provide? Does it do what you want? Does it do something particularly attractive to you that no other phone does? Are those features worth it to you to pay the Apple Tax?
I just spent $1200 on an iPhone 7 Plus because I didn't want to be restricted in storage, and it's the only mobile device on the market that supports Bluetooth Power Class 1. Paired with a BeatsX headphone ($175), I have had audio quality that I didn't realize was even possible. I have had exactly one connection interruption and that was in a known area with exceptionally bad RF interference. This is in comparison to my previous setup where I couldn't even walk down the street without multiple interruptions.
My time is finite, and I choose not to waste it futzing around with an appliance that should Just Work(tm).
Also, I considered holding off my purchase and waiting till the 8 came out, but Apple hardware seems to work like Microsoft software. The early adopters invariable feel some kind of teething pains that can take months to sort out, and I wasn't willing to put up with that.
No. iTunes is truly awful software. Basic operations like copying pictures or music are a painful chore with it. Customers pay me to put up with that crap and I won't spend my time or money on it.
For $120 I can get a Samsung Galaxy Express Prime 2 with the same size screen as an iPhone 7, a removable battery, Headphone jack, and a MicroSD slot. Best of all, if I want to sync my music to it I can drag-and-drop the folder into the phone or sync them with Dropbox.
Fuck iTunes and the phones that require it.
No. Just no.
I love technology, but I'm not willing to pay anywhere near close to that for what is essentially a disposable device. I typically buy a new phone when the one I'm using doesn't do what I need it to do. I have a Honor 5X that I bought about a year and a half ago for $110. It sends texts, emails, takes pictures, and works fine for basic web browsing. The battery is still good condition so it may last another 1.5 years. You can keep a li-ion battery in "good shape" by keeping the charge between 30-85% and only full charging when you absolutely have a need to like traveling, etc. A phone is a tool, and unless there is a new version/device that will improve my productivity or is much more functional then there is no need to upgrade as long as it is operational. I treat everything this way. It's the reason I drove my last vehicle for 14 years. Yes it had some rust, etc. but it was functional, why waste money on an unneeded vehicle upgrade when it could be used elsewhere with better long term results?
It's not a paperclip, it's a money clip! Two totally different things!
$185 is actually pretty reasonable as far as money clips go. Check out the various models from M-Clip. They're all the same design, but you can pay anywhere from $60 on up to $4,500 for one with diamonds.
I bought two of the mid-range models and it was the first time in my life I truly understood what status symbols were about. Not just what the dictionary definition is, but what it really means when people buy these things. At a certain level of income any additional money you make becomes truly expendable. All of your needs have been paid for along with your future needs, so saving or investing the money for the future makes less and less sense compared to spending it on something fun for yourself. After all, you can't take it with you.
Finding ways to spend your money becomes an actual problem as you become more and more wealthy. That's why some people have big car and art collections, it's a place to keep their money. At some point you even start buying companies, islands, start charities and funds, etc.
That's far too high a price for a smartphone.
Honestly, give up the cheap wired things and try the wireless stuff.
The problem with wireless earphones is battery life. I can't find any that last more than a couple of hours on a single charge.
Until they solve that, I'll stick with my very excellent wired earphones, thanks.
I had an iPhone 4S. A 16GB device. The memory on that thing filled up so quickly with Podcasts and Music etc. It was a hassle.
Then I upgraded to an LG G4 which has a MicroSD card slot. Space was suddenly not an issue. I've even upgraded the memory card once since getting the phone because space became tight again. I can take that same memory card over to my next phone when I upgrade that.
Until Apple starts offering an expandable memory option in their phones, I'm not going back.
Simples!
Yes I can. My phone runs LineageOS.
https://lineageos.org/
It is AOSP (Android Open Source Project) based, so it is genuine android OS-- What makes it different? It does not have carrier-mandated bloatware baked in, *AND* is functional *WITHOUT GOOGLE APPS*. In fact, the installed base package does not have google apps installed at all!!
That means that if one so wishes, they can sideload the Amazon app store, and give google the finger, in totality.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/...
So YES, AC-- I *WILL* argue that-- because *YOU CAN*. iDevices? Shit no. Apple does not give out the source code, and does not allow custom compiled phone images to be created by anyone other than their internal development teams. You will never see a custom built iOS the way you will find projects like LineageOS.
I wouldn't take one if you gave it to me with free connectivity for life, or any other smartphone for that matter. If I want to be monitored 24/7/365, I'll go rob a bank and kill people so I get put in prison for the rest of my life. At least then I'll know for sure I'm being watched instead of having to wonder about it.
Rich kids will buy 50 of them and play Jenga.
>> Would You Buy the iPhone 8 If It Cost $1,200?
No.
>> Would You Buy the iPhone 8 ?
No.
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Yep, yur heard it. I would buy it. Then lose it within one week. Then talk about it. Then go back to my Western Electric black 1960's dial phone, which I cannot seem to lose.
Most Respectfully Yours Mark Allyn Bellingham, Washington
It better have a gtx 1080 built in.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
My phone needs, and my wife's phone needs would be handled nicely by any number of $200 or so Android phones. I need a decent camera, a little space for some tunes, a battery for a week of standby operation, and a decent enough screen to have maps on it. I use it for very little.
But the few $200-300 phones we bought were mangled incarnations of Android, full of bloatware and crapware. Those apps got auto-updated to the point where the phone ran out of space and was horrible to use for even a phone call.
So I spent $400 for a older model iPhone 5 for the wife on VM, and she was happy. I spent $400 on a closeout Nexus 6 a year later. We are now both on Ting and spend $35 on average for our usage (well, $30 for her usage, about $5 for my proportion...). $400 was too much for what we want the phones for, but I see the likelihood of having to shell out about $600 for an older model 6s for her in the next 6-12 months as her 3 year old phone is getting rather worse for wear.
So no way in hell am I shelling out anywhere near $1200 for an iPhone, or a Pixel knockoff of it, or a Samsung Flamer 8, etc. I'll troll the closeouts for something about 1/3 of that at most, and still be cranky for wasting so much on an appliance I primarily use to receive grocery list texts on.
But I hope sincerely the rest of you do; it's such a great idea, super awesome and just for people who "get it".
Do you think they believed that?
No. I will import some good chinee clones and sell them tho. ^_^
The only way I would pay $1200 for an iPhone was if it came with $1100 of easily removable gold plating. That way I could conceivably get my money's worth out of it.
HexaByte - he's a square and a half!
Increasingly, my cellphone has really become more of a pocket computer that I rely on constantly for both my work and personal communications. It often serves as the only camera or camcorder I'm carrying when I want to take photos or shoot video. It serves as my alarm clock each morning, and reminds me of appointments during the day. I often read the news on it while I'm out someplace. It might even be pressed into service as a flashlight or a ruler or bubble level in a pinch. I keep track of eBay auctions with it and track packages with it. I even get discounts at restaurants or earn points using their apps on it.
It's every bit as useful as my laptop that I happily spent 4 figures on.
The better question is what I'm going to get for my money if I buy it? I'm currently using an iPhone 7 Plus with 256GB of storage and it cost fairly close to $1,000. I have my whole music collection stored on it so it's accessible in my car or Jeep via Bluetooth at any time - justifying the extra cost for the extra storage. I'm pretty happy with the phone and it does most of what I need. So far, it sounds like the iPhone 8 will give me things like inductive charging, which is "nice to have" but not anything I'd spend a lot of money to get right now.
Truthfully? My cellular reception is one of my biggest hassles. All too often, I go inside some large building and find I don't have a good signal in part of it, or I travel someplace where my carrier has poor coverage (T-Mobile). It works well enough for what I pay each month for service. But if there was some way a new phone could promise a dramatically improved radio and antenna setup that would keep it locked in noticeably better on towers? I'd gladly pay to upgrade for that.
The good thing about cheap wired things is that they're cheap. I can leave them scattered about and if someone walks away with a pair I'm not too concerned.
I still use a flip phone. I don't need to be connected to the net every F'n minute of the day/night.
That's $1550 Canadian, so no .. no I wouldn't.
I wish I had a lawn.
I still use a 4S because it was so cheap at the time (and because it fits in my shirt and pants pockets, rather than requiring a small backpack to carry around).
Admittedly, it is getting harder to get replacement accessories, nowadays. My charging cord is purple, because the world seems to out of white or black iPod cables.
You asked if we would buy a product that has not been announced, one which will have new features about which we know nothing. This is like asking if I would spend $850 on a Bibbulous bike. Maybe! It depends what that is
Apple is not likely interested in making the most awesome phone, they are more likely interested in making the most profitable phone.
I wouldn't buy it if it costed $12.00
It simply isn't worth the effort of buying no matter how low the price.
LOL!
No.
I think this is ridiculous even if it is a Pro product. It's a phone, not a computer, or even an iPad. I don't upgrade every time now, at this price I'd buy a Samsung, especially as in the U.K. We seem to pay £1 per dollar on Apple product.
What I want is an iPhone with all the nifty new features that fits in all my shirt pockets and has a headphone jack. So far, I haven't seen anything that tempting to replace my 5S with.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
if they gave me one for free ...
strangely my $50 huawei android phone still seems to have way too many things installed, i mostly use the flashlight and recorder and thats about it, then again i have no friends (not even fakebook ones)
Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
Gruber made? Because of the volume of iPhone sales Apple is limited in what they can put in the phone. By selling a Pro model at a price that will lower that volume they can put components in the phone that they couldn't otherwise. maybe someone else mentioned this, but all the posts I'm seeing is "ha stoopid apple fanbois" I gotta get some better friends.
Like anyone can even know that
Mine last 20 hours on a single charge, Bose 35 and have been out for over a year now, only time I have a problem is international flights over 20 hours.
My daughters "skull Candy over the ear BT headphones go at least 12 hours on a single charge, those were a lot cheaper.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Nope. It's an iDevice, and I've never liked them since the first one I brought - and then sold on. (I will admit, it kept it's resale value).
120$, no. It's still an iDevice.
12$, yeah, I'd consider it.
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