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Wikileaks Co-founder Julian Assange Arrested in London (theguardian.com)
Wikileaks co-founder Julian Assange has been arrested at the Ecuadorian embassy in London, where the WikiLeaks founder was granted refuge in 2012 while on bail in the UK over sexual assault allegations against him in Sweden. From a report: At the time, Assange claimed that if he was extradited to Sweden he might be arrested by the US and face charges relating to WikiLeaks's publication of hundreds of thousands of US diplomatic cables. The journalist and Assange supporter John Pilger called last week for people to "fill the street outside the embassy and protect him and show solidarity with a courageous man." US authorities have never officially confirmed that they have charged Assange, but in November 2018 a mistake in a document filed in an unrelated case hinted that criminal charges might have been prepared in secret. London's Metropolitan police released a statement which said officers had executed a warrant after the Ecuadorian government withdrew asylum.
You don't expose Hillary and just walk away.
At least Hillary didn't make president. She would have hung, drawn and quartered him.
Maybe the USA has had time to cool off. Me? I'm betting he'll be over there within three months.
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The worst thing that could happen to him now is that the US doesn't try to extradite him and England only questions him and lets him go. He'll have thrown away 7 years of his life voluntarily and look like a narcissistic idiot (more so than he already does).
Seems Ecuador decided to evict him, and once he was on the street, British police arrested him.
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Donald Trump pardons him and hands him a Medal of Honor.
The home secretary, Sajid Javid, said. Just.. Wow.
There are several things that can happen:
1) He is deported to Sweden, questioned and released
2) He is deported to Sweden and then send to Gitmo, the US or somewhere else
3) He is questioned in the UK and released.
The fact that the US wqill not get involved could mean that they want to paint him now as a silly person and play the "See we told you we wanted to do notiong"-card. If that is the case, in a few months he WILL be deprted somehow to the US.
It could also be that he is deprted to Sweden and convicted there. Swedes taker the blam for it, while the Mericans where the force behind it. I think that is the most likely situation.
And as a convicted criminal, they can make his life miserable in a lot of ways. Limiting his access to countries, putting him on a no-fly list and a lot of other legal shit.
Becausxe we all know the rape allegations where withrawn, so this has not been about the (Swedish legal definition of) rape in a long time.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
He treated his hosts badly and the change of government in Ecuador meant his days in the embassy were numbered. I don't think he thought about the end game. He had no hope of getting to Ecuador because diplomatic status is granted by the host country, in this case the UK. He jumped bail in the UK and they were going to get him for that if nothing else.
In depth analysis of the political situation surrounding his arrest, endless exploration of whether he'll be extradited to the US, complex discussions on why the police were permitted to enter the embassy to arrest him.
Not a single fucking mention of his cat.
What's happening to the cat! Come on BBC, step up, help us with the important question here.
At least Hillary didn't make president. She would have hung, drawn and quartered him.
Maybe the USA has had time to cool off. Me? I'm betting he'll be over there within three months.
Assange worked for Putin.
Assange worried America would nab him.
Putin controls Trump.
Trump ain't gonna do shit.
Assange's worries are over.
Or maybe not. Remains to be seen.
That Assange would not take care of his cat!
7 years of self enforced jail time which is probably longer than he'd have got even if he'd been found guilty in sweden for rape (which was a long way from a dead cert). Any moral authority he may have had he's long since lost and now he just appears as some sad middle aged man who escaped justice. Whatever happens now his days as any kind of go-to guy for privacy concerns are long since gone and who would trust this man with their whistle blowing secrets after the way he's behaved?
And it's a stinky, odious little neckbeard cunt. Fuck him.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
We don't need to know about this. Real TV news isn't talking about it this morning.
I would've expected lots of people to show up and make it impossible for the police to arrest the guy while he walks to another embassy.
Kinda interesting why he got booted, though: Changing political landscapes back in Equador. Who are now in bed with Chinese firms to roll out facial reconition to track all citizens in public "for safety".
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I notice there is a new review on airbnb...
Loved it so much didnt want to leave.
but the host started withholding internet.
food wasn't the most nutritious (nothing a few supplements wouldnt fix).
View wasn't the best and the balcony didnt get that much sun, but due to the pollution wasnt able to enjoy.
Kept trying to eavesdrop on my private affairs, interfering with my work..
I give it 2 ** stars.
Wont recommend
Wont be returning anytime soon eh mates!!!! You pack of whiney pricks said I could make myself at home, drink ya beer and then when Im a bit down on my luck they call the Old Bill tell them some wild yarn and get me arrested.. really not cool eh mate.
Because, forgive me if I'm wrong, he was demanded by the USA's congresscritters for "treason" after the Apache helicopter murderers' footage was released.
But to appease the USA the UK wasn't allowing the judges to judge whether an EAW would be valid if neither written by a judge nor for an individual who is wanted for arrest in the country issuing the EAW. All they were allowed to look at was whether the CHARGES were, if true, a crime in the UK.
Why?
Because if Sweden wanted him for arrest, they'd have to process and find him innocent or guilty (even if he was guilty, the case is now so screwed up by the prosecution it would be kicked out summarily), and if guilty, have to serve their sentence BEFORE some random country can demand the extradition. But someone accused of one can be given away to any country that says they have an arrest outstanding for them immediately, and doesn't have to be litigated like if it were a normal "law abiding" citizen of another EU country.
So Sweden don't have an arrest warrant for him because they want to give him over to the USA whenever they ask.
These retards extradit even own citizens to US (which is shame for any state pretending to be souvereign).
So in this case Sweden might be not involved at all.
The demand was to ask him about the incident, not arrest him, and Sweden have interviewed BY SKYPE someone they wanted for murder, so it clearly is possible for them to do it. One of the reasons why this entire case is a load of bollocks and clearly a way to pander to the USA. Though with trump's bullying cowardice and shitheaded arrogance it's entirely possible Sweden could ignore their prosecutor who is married to a politically connected american businessman (IIRC, he could be a lawyer too) and tell the USA that they won't deport merely on their say-so.
This arsehole has done far too much harm to the real cause of public scrutiny with his narcissistic and nonsensical antics.
Assange did good work with Wikileaks, years ago. Then he grew an inflated ego, and (um, literally) screwed around. Rather than face any charges (which, iirc, were never formally filed), he fled.
Ultimately, he imprisoned himself for 8 long years.
I have no idea whether the US would have tried to extradite him from Sweden. Maybe they would have, if Sweden had actually charged him with a crime. But in the meantime, the Swedish case has ended. And the UK can't charge him with much more than skipping a court appearance, which is pretty trivial. He should have long since left the embassy.
And now this. Ecuador has finally had enough, and tells him to leave. Rather than acting like an adult, and walking out with some dignity, he has to be carried out like a child throwing a tantrum. Pathetic.
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
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Assange was a criminal and the most corrupt of all involved, from the very beginning.
In public. Send a message.
It's obvious that journalism needs new economic models, but WikiLeaks is NOT one of them. Having read several books about WikiLeaks, I think the underlying problem was the lack of a viable economic model. There was a good idea under there, but it was buried so deeply and Assange got so far away from any form of actual journalism that the cart got in front of the horse.
At first WikiLeaks actually understood that the documents should be vetted to make sure they weren't being used to propagate propaganda. Also real journalism requires considering the possible negative ramifications of the release of the information, as when an innocent person might get murdered because their identity is revealed to a vengeful criminal. Multiple sources are important, too, and it is very rare that information cannot be verified by some method or other.
However Assange rather quickly decided it was more important to prioritize the releases of information for maximization of the value to WikiLeaks, including how the information would affect the increasingly important financial donations WikiLeaks needed. Fairly early in the process, they were overwhelmed with more information than they knew what to do with, so they were forced to start picking and choosing what to reveal, and when, and that is when Assange started tasting the poisonous fruit. Follow the money.
Solution time? My own proposed solution approach for the economic troubles of journalism would be a solution-based approach. The readers would be able to contribute to solution projects with the journalists earning a percentage for revealing and publicizing the problems. I think there would also need to be an independent entity (I call it the charity share brokerage) that would provide project guidance and evaluation, as well as handling the money.
Disappointed but not surprised that I couldn't find any substantive comments here on Slashdot, and especially not among the trolls' mods. Enough time for now, so I bid you ADSAuPR, atAJG.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
From the standpoint of the United States Assange is a hostile foreign intelligence agent, but that alone is not enough to try to charge and extradite him here, and he isn't an American citizen. So I'm wondering if they've got him on something more specific than publicizing the dirty laundry that other agents handed to him, because it sounds likely US officials are going to try to get him from the British authorities at some point.
Imagine the fireworks that would happen if Trump tried to pardon him instead...
So you have an organisation which very reliably publishes information to the citizens about what its managers are doing. That's what actual journalism is about, not the stuff you see on CNN or MSNBC.
So the managers tell you where to look instead: that Assange doesn't look after his cat. That he's a rapist and a bail jumper and a Russian stooge like Trump.For the rest nothing to see.
This is an assault on the freedom of the press. The purpose of all the propaganda is to make you cheer it. And by God, that is what you're doing.
Wikileaks has the Mueller report.
Either the report or Assange will be "released". Ecuador wanted nothing to do with this blackmail, so it rescinded asylum.
Would make a decent movie, maybe.
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Important background for journalists covering the arrest of Julian #Assange by Ecuador: the United Nations formally ruled his detention to be arbitrary, a violation of human rights. They have repeatedly issued statements calling for him to walk free--including very recently. pic.twitter.com/fr12rYdWUF
Presumably unindicted co-conspirator #1 will give him a nice pardon?
When you take action on something those actions have consequences. In this case he knew those leaks were classified and he chose to publish them. If he'd published those items showing illegal activity or gross wrongdoing (those journalists being killed by the US military when they suspected they might not be who they thought they were) then I doubt anyone including US prosecutors would be interested in pursuing this.
What he did do was leak every little bit of classified data which whilst interesting (perhaps) wasn't in the public interest, just to try and cause embarrassment.
Your actions have consequences and you have to be able to stand up and justify what you've done. you can't just do what you want and then expect that no one can touch you for it. If your defence is that your exposing serious wrongdoing then i think very few people would expect prosecution for that. He's blown that defense by leaking every bit of rubbish and in doing so has damaged the Leaking process which is really important to expose genuine wrongdoing. One diplomat suggesting another diplomat is a bit of an idiot, doesn't count.
Time to face up to your actions.
I think most sensible people lost faith in him a long time ago, I did when everybody else of substance left wikileaks and Assange made it his person ego trip and long before the Swedish charges.
While I still uphold the principles that wikileaks was supposed espouse he has ruined it so comprehensive it will never recover, I think the only hope is to build something fresh from the ground up with safeguards.
Extradite him get everything you can from him. Do the same to Snowden. Down with Russkie traitors.
It wasn't me! Some impostor using my slashdot handle!
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Don't forget that the stiffed his bail donors, reneging on his promise to stand trial, and thus the bail was confiscated. Supposedly, some of the donors are really pissed of, and have the means to aggressively pursue repayment (including, for example, the option to put a lien on the proceeds of any future book deals, etc. he might be offered). With interest, his debt is now to the tune of several million pounds. As soon as the first civil suit in this matter hits the courts, he will most likely have to surrender his passport because he certainly is a flight risk. I expect that will happen in the next days.
Yet, this is the US we are talking of. The US illegally kidnapped people before, with no legal standing. Sweden was one of their accomplices https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/05/cia-rendition-countries-covert-support
Could they do that with a famous target as Assange? Probably: in the end, they faced no consequences for the illegal renditions post 2001.
There were many calls to arrest Assange even by US lawmakers and members of government . There were calls for his assassination, both from Fox and CNN, and by other governments as well as the USA too.
Add to this that the prosecutor in Sweden did not act according to precedent either, by suspiciously refusing to conduct remote interrogation that had been adequate for much serious crimes. Add to that the suspicious conditions of Interpol chasing someone because a consenting partner wanted him to test for HIV.
Your argument relies on us expecting fair play, and there is no indication that that would have happened 7 years ago. It might happen now, after all the people failed to do shit about WikiLeaks disclosed crimes.
Assange is an arrogant, narcissistic asshole who deliberately offended his hosts by going against their wishes and rules. Be a dick, get kicked.
I really have no idea what they expected from a raping piecing of shit like Assange so this should have happened back in 2012.
There is no "-1 offended" or "-1 you don't agree with me" mod options for a reason.
Except for the DNC rigging their primary in 2016 and Assange being the one to make that public.
Oh wait, you are likely a liberal and fear freedom of speech and free and fair elections. I understand your stance now. If I hated free and fair elections I would also think him a criminal for pointing out that they were not. And I would also hate him for the freedom of speech thing which would allow him to point out this corruption in the DNC. Don't worry, Sanders got paid off for getting the election stolen from him, he is now bragging he is a millionaire!
Thanks for your input.
Go assassinate Vladimir Putin. A party primary is not an election, and there is no such thing as "rigging" it.
looking forward to see what the US does to him.
Funny how how wikileaks doesnt target certain states.
If it did then helping Trump would have paid off. He exposed financial records of a boatload of rich and powerful. In America that didn't really matter but the tax man in Europe and Asia took notice. This isn't about which members of the oligarchy he pissed off. The oligarchy takes care of their own. The 1% is like the mob or any other form of organized crime. Mess with one and you've messed with them all, and a hot like Assanage did was never gonna be forgiven.
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They're both members of the ruling class. And besides, if it's one thing The Mueller investigation did do it's show us Trump has a complete lack of gratitude for the folks who helped put him where he is.
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I support what Julian Assange has done as a news publisher. He should not be in any trouble for that. My issue is with his specific behavior with the whole detainment. We don't know anything about why he's being arrested. It's probable that the whole rape thing was governments finding something to silence him, but we don't know.
It's also dishonest to say he has been detained, when he was actually avoiding detainment. It's likely that had he turned himself in earlier or faced the charges against him, he would have been free long ago. We simply don't have enough information and the campaign to free him hasn't presented evidence that there was a global conspiracy to make him disappear.
Sadly, I think his paranoia got the best of him and he has suffered more because of that than any government conspiracy. I could be wrong though. If he disappears or something similar, his paranoia was justified. What I suspect is that he'll face the penalty for skipping bail and spend some time in jail, most likely in the UK. Only observation of what happens now can answer any of these questions.
nuff said
Pointing out a rigged election in the US makes liberals call you a Russian puppet?
My point stands. Liberals have seen the DNC rig an election and do nothing but make excuses for it being ok.
Remember Bush 2000? They claimed election rigged
Remember Trump 2016? They claimed Russia rigged election
Remember DNC primary 2016? It actually WAS rigged and they don't care
Kind of funny how if the wrong person loses it must be rigged, but if the right person wins the rigging doesn't matter.
Liberals HATE free and fair elections. And call you a Russian troll in attempt to abridge your freedom of speech for pointing it out.
Liberals = shit
If he was not such a dirty piece of shit he would not have been evicted.
Assange is a dead man walking. He embarrassed the powers that be. A trial would be to revealing of the reality of the world. So he will die. How he dies is hard to say. Plane crash maybe. Shot dead by a madman full of alleged moral outrage. He is a lose end and will be snipped from the land of the living. He is allegedly having psychological problems so a suspicious suicide. The ways an enemy of the state can die are many.
he does not have to return some vhs tapes to blockbuster
imagine the fees after 7 years
Assange had the support of the left wing because he released details of how the US killed civilians in the Iraq war and, and details of how it peddled influence across the world. The right wing hated him because they like war, and hate anyone who reveals the horrors of it.
Then he released Hilary's emails. The left wing decided he was a dumbass and helped Trump get elected. The right wing might like that he released the Hilary emails, but they never would forgive him for that they considered traitorous.
Politics matter Julian. Pick a side, dummy. You can't piss off EVERYONE.
The arrest of Assange demonstrates our freedom to criticize the state to evolve our culture is over. Dissent will not be tolerated and any illusion of First world freedom is a myth concocted to keep us in the mindset of slaves to interest rates on housing loans.
I've been studying the changes to freedom of speech and association laws in the US, UK, Canada (well the english half), Australia and, NZ. I've written hundreds of pages of submissions about Anti-terrorism law, its structure and wording to try to do anything I could to fight to preserve the freedom we have left and failed 95% of the time.
Knowing these laws, I can certainly say that I fear for Assange if he is charged under them. The absolute power the state has over an individual in that circumstance is terrifying and was previously reserved for those conducting espionage. Activism, such as what Assange has conducted, threatens the status quo so much it must be crushed with an iron fist. Soviet style.
In the first double bind of this law, the state assumes control of all evidence that can defend you which you are responsible for presenting. Even people witnessing an arrest and telling a family member can be charged and sentenced to 5 years jail. All sentences are strict liability so magistrates have no authority to vary time served. These laws are designed to destroy lives.
I only spend hundreds of hours doing what I do, these people give up everything trying to preserve our freedom. Whistle blowers are heros. More so, what does it tell us that more of these whistle blowers are from military and intelligence services. Snowden, Manning and lessor known people like Annie Machon (UK), David Shayler (UK) and Susan Lindauer (US) were all former intelligence agents trying to tell us the mess being made with these laws. Shayler died whilst arrested under these laws and an attempt was made to chemically lobotomize Lindauer and attack her mental health to destroy her reputation. Machon was the only one who refused to face arrest which has preserved her mental health.
The pages of law, in our first world countries, dictating how technology can be used to suppress the populace has grown from nothing in 2001 to well over 2400 pages in 2019, constitutionally adjusted to suit each nation. That's just the stuff I've read, there were bills I missed.
Lindauer suggests that these laws are lifted from the Soviet criminal code and looking at them it's not hard to believe it. I had to lobby against the power to body cavity search minors as young as 8 yrs as unacceptable for a first world democracy, the government changed it to 14.
Knowing this makes our countries a parody of the freedoms they once stood for.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Anybody remember Pentagon Papers? Then there was the Bay of Pigs.
More recently, NYT and other other leftist MSM have released mountains of classified leaks to smear Trump.
Why should wikileaks be treated differently?
Just saying...
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"Metropolitan Police said in a statement that he was "further arrested" on his arrival at a London police station on behalf of United States authorities, who have issued an extradition warrant."
https://www.local10.com/news/international/julian-assange-arrested-at-ecuadorian-embassy-in-london
We already know Assange worked with the Trump campaign. He may have decided to go public with what he knows and is now being disappeared.
I think Julian will be free in a year or, probably, less, similar to Bradley Manning. He is too big to be kept in a prison.
Who know the US chief prosecutor's name? No one, except some aficionados. But Assange is known all over the world, he is a cultural icon, a personage of historical, or even biblical scale.
The US has never asked anyone to arrest him with the intention of extraditing him.
Sadly the facts have now overtaken your careful and well-reasoned argument. The US has requested his extradition on computer hacking charges for helping Manning.
When Assange entered the embassy the U.K. and Obama administration said he was only wanted for questioning about the two women. But clearly now we see that was a lie just as Assange said.
He was telling the Truth.
Obama interfered with foreign elections, especially Israel. I guess you are calling for him to be arrested and prosecuted?
lol. Liberals are so stupid, they claim stuff is a crime that their own heroes have committed hundreds of times and they don't even know it.
What would you prefer - for Assange to be like Russia Madcow, who's paid $30,000 a day to lie to her viewers?
Baseless tautology/character assassination, and the rest of your post continues in the same vien. Assange's arrest proves once and for all that the rape charges were always a farce, that it was always a pretext to get Assange into US custody, and it's time for his haters to eat shit. Same as the Russiagaters need to eat shit now that Mueller has wrapped his investigation with there being no collusion between Trump and Russia.
The US has serious corruption issues. It is all too easy to hide needed information from the public by claiming national security as an excuse. The American public should be able to see and hear everything that any government employee or agency does in detail. I suspect that having all military abilities wide open for the world to see it would assure our safety. After all, if you are a Russian official you just might get the notion that the US really lacks strength and that could easily trigger a nuclear war. If our deepest secrets were revealed it does not tend to aid our enemies simply because a new weapon or technology takes years to put in place and by the time the enemy caught up we would have moved into a much different and superior technology. In a way it reminds me of the issue in the battery industry. Every week or two it seems that there is an advance in battery technology. Yet it takes several years to fund and build a facility to actually produce these batteries. Investors don't tend to like a situation in which a new multi billion dollar investment just might be useless due to a better battery being developed before they can even get into production. Imagine if we could see all the alternatives and the due date of the public arrival of the new battery would take place. You might decide to not buy an electric car until the new system is in place. Or you just might get a great price on an electric vehicle because sales are way down as people wait for the new technology. The free flow of information is vital both in industry and in government. Mr. Assange was on the right side in the fight for freedom.
Even now, you can see the same old character assassination and word salads being tossed at Assange, when he is arrested and the immediate talk is of extraditing him to the United States, NOT SWEDEN. This whole farce was nothing but a pretext to get him in US custody so he can be prosecuted for being a journalist. I hope people in the press that have spent years sneering and smearing at Assange find their own dumb asses indicted the next time they publish classified information that is leaked to them.
Like Russiagaters after the Mueller report, and Iraq war superfans after no WMD's were found, it's time for you to not just apologize for ten years of bullshit, but eat it up with a spoon.
Horseshit. Assange always offered to return to Sweden if the government would promise not to use the charges as a pretext to hand him over to the United States, for the crime of being a journalist.
And guess what this arrest proves, dipshit: Assange was always right, and tools like yourself were always wrong. Or did you not notice the extradition hearing is going to be to the United States, NOT SWEDEN?
Assange did basically nothing and he will never be prosecuted for any kind of crime related to confidential documents in the US. He owned a domain name and hosting space on a sever. Big fucking deal.
It was to be expected since Equator received their payment last month. It just took this long to find out if the trumped up charges of sex assault could still be used, or if it was time to open up the game and show what everybody knew, that it was the USA behind it all.
Equator's payment was $4.2bn from IMF - https://www.enca.com/business/imf-approves-42bn-loan-ecuador
Funny how many American apologists were all over themselves to scream that the US never wanted him in the first place, and that it was all just conspiracy theory that they were trying to lay their hands on him. And yet, the instant he's out of the embassy, there's a US extradition warrant waiting for him. Funny that, it's almost as if this was an obvious thing right from the start....
He coulda just walked out and disappeared into the crowd.
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You have three war crimes in that video:
Targeting civilians
Targeting journalists
Targeting first responders
And in a massively illegal war sold on lies. None of the liars or war criminals have been brought to account - but hey lets prosecute those who told us the truth!
Global warming takes another victim.
that's why you're not hearing anything. Never trust cats. Shoulda got a dog.
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If you follow the Wikileaks Twitter account, they have ben reporting for about a week that he would be evicted from the embassy, and the British police were waiting to arrest him... a number of videos they posted showed undercover police outside the embassy 24x7 for the last few days.
Hard to form a flash mob though when you don't have an exact time something will happen, just knowing it will happen soon is not enough as you can't keep a large crowd of people on standby. It would have been interesting to see if they could have got a small group together to march outside the embassy 24x7 for a week or so... but I guess no-one tried that.
Honestly I think JA may be better off outside what was essentially an Ecuadorian prison anyway. I wonder if he'll at least be allowed to communicate from a UK jail...
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That so many comments here are defending the US/UK governments, enjoy your so-called freedom. Orwell is right; Freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength.
Funny how many American apologists were all over themselves to scream that the US never wanted him in the first place, and that it was all just conspiracy theory that they were trying to lay their hands on him. And yet, the instant he's out of the embassy, there's a US extradition warrant waiting for him. Funny that, it's almost as if this was an obvious thing right from the start....
The narrative has changed. We're now living in a world full of bots who will make pro-Chinese posts on any Slashdot article slightly critical of the Chinese government. There's ample evidence the same is happening for anything regarding the US government. The mood on Assange here on Slashdot has suspiciously shifted to "he deserves to be jailed".
"Evil will always triumph over good, because good is dumb." - Dark Helmet (Spaceballs)
as the U.S. and the Swedish Government who railroaded the young women, even when they made it clear they were never raped. It'll be interesting to see if they are going to do everything they can to make him rot in an American prison, to make it clear that no one will talk about the crimes that the U.S. government commits.
He's plain and simple anti-American bias is one thing. The need to protect whistleblowers is one thing. Freedom of speech is another. Julian was neither. He contrived with others to steel information with the intent and deed of using it to hurt Americans. Americans and those who helped Americans abroad were killed soon afterward. He acted wilfully as an enemy of the United States -- not a whistleblower or an advocate of free speech. His intent was to harm. And a number of good people died because of him.
There is no question in my mind that Julian Assange is now going to a place worse than hell.
I am glad that this wek weedy freak is in jail.
Now arrest BRADLEY Manning. No the freak is NOT a woman.
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Trump loves and supports Wikileaks. Only shillary clint-fuck said she wanted to blow them up!
He's always looked older than he was, but now he looks like he's at least 65. In the video where they were dragging him out of the building he looked like a thin Santa Claus. I guess being trapped inside a building for years takes its toll on a person.
You have three war crimes in that video:
Actually ZERO war crimes. Just bad decisions on BOTH sides and the fog of war.
Targeting civilians
Civilians carrying arms (rifles and RPG) in an active combat zone, in an area where American forces had received fire from, an area where Americans were approaching. The arms and context make the group a legal target.
Targeting journalists
The journalists embedded themselves with a group of civilians carrying arms in a combat zone, the journalists were not wearing distinctive clothing identifying themselves. Additionally a shadow of the camera lens was mistakenly believed to be another RPG. The journalists were collateral damage. Regrettable but legal.
Targeting first responders
The van was not marked as a first responders vehicle. The civilians in a civilian van were mistakenly believed to be additional insurgents collecting insurgent wounded/dead *and weapons*. Very regrettable but legal.
Assange is not a US citizen, and is not subject to US laws.
Foreign citizenship and a foreign locale does not provide immunity for hacking into US computers. You might have noticed how Mueller had indicted Russians in Russia. Same thing here. Assange is accused of assisting Manning in the collection of classified data. Such assistance crosses the line and takes him outside of journalistic shielding, he did not merely publish if the accusations are accurate.
https://i.imgur.com/h0dSFk1.mp4
The video CLEARLY showed the SYSTEMATIC BUTCHERING OF ONLY CIVILIANS by that Apache pilot and gunner! THIS IS A WAR CRIME PUNISHABLE BY DEATH!
The BBC and other sources are saying that Assange is being charged and that he is facing extradition to the US. From the Justice Department:
WikiLeaks Founder Charged in Computer Hacking Conspiracy
From the BBC:
Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder arrested in London
Both the Clinton's and Obummer really want his ass since WikiLeaks showed what kind of ass clowns they all were.
if the readers are contributing how is that any different than buying a subscription to a website, newspaper or magazine?
I think our best bet is UBI so that folks who want to do Journalism can just do it and not worry about making a living off it.
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I think our best bet is UBI so that folks who want to do Journalism can just do it and not worry about making a living off it.
For every journalist freed from having to earn an income by UBI, a legion of trolls would also be freed.
In other words, instead of having paid Russian trolls drowning journalists out, it's volunteer trolls who are no longer inhibited by their lack of income.
I just don't think Hilary had much to do with it. We all forget how much Wikileaks did before Hilary because he helped give us Trump. But Assange leaked mountains of documents from the wealthiest people on Earth. There was no scenario where he got away with that in the current oligarchy. The Hilary stuff is small potatoes. She was always just another bag man for the ultra wealthy. She never once threatened to upset their apple carts. What doomed Assange was getting on the bad side of people with unlimited access to money and power. That he escaped them for as long as he did is a minor miracle.
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he helped give us Trump, and he should have known better. Trump is nobody's friend. Also he was irresponsibly leaking un-redacted documents. But the charges he fled were so obviously an excuse to get him into custody so that the US could extradite him as to be laughable. We don't need to ask if the US would have extradited him, the first thing the US did when he was no longer protected by Ecuador is file to extradite.
He's not a child throwing a tantrum, he's being railroaded because he crossed some very rich and very powerful people. His real crimes were those financial documents that got leaked and showed how much money was stored in offshore tax havens. It let us know just how much wealth the 1% has siphoned out of the economy and for anyone paying attention we now know why we're all living under austerity despite the biggest GDPs in history.
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you didn't notice because several economic booms fueled by technology ( post WWII, Internet, Housing/Investment Bubble ) hid the effects from a lot of us. You didn't notice because the economy was doing so well that the scraps the 1% leaves us were, for a short time, some mighty tasty scraps. They've noticed how good those scraps are now and are taking those too. Because of that you're starting to notice shit like this again.
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I didn’t believe they would try to extradite him, as I wasn’t aware of any crime he’d committed. The indictment makes it clear that he’s being charged for something which is a crime, but I’ll admit that I was wrong. I’ll be a bit surprised if it’s enough to get him actually extradited.
I’m still laughing that he got his sorry ass thrown out, though. Wrong or not, he’s still a self-aggrandizing biotch.
Or are you going to complain that that doesn't count because, well, it's merkin killers
Because the classification has no power in the UK. So fails at first hurdle there, cupcake.
It wasn't a war zone. It was a city. Where people live, some of them have cars. If I see you in a car, I'll pipe bomb your ass to hell, because you're not in an ambulance...
He didn't hack into shit. He published info that was given to him.
You can't run and you can't hide. Putin won't save you.
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It shouldn't be. And the EAW was invalid. It merely made claims, unsupported by any evidence given (done by a prosecutor, not a judge as was intended, but never coded into law, since they figured "ARREST warrant" made it clear enough) that the law court was RESTRICTED to considering if those claims met the burden of extradition under UK law. But, since you can make any old shit accusation you like, an arrest warrant on that is meaningless and invalid, which was why the law court was mandated to ignore.
Just because they were done by "your guys" doesn't change that, cupcake.
I'm american. Of course this was the only way it was going to go when he left the embassy. Keeping the legal proceedings hidden and denying their existence was an attempt to get the fish to bite the hook.
I can't stand the modern libtard crowd pretending to care about freedom
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Given the maximum sentence he faces for absconding is 1 year in prison.
He will likely receive a sentence at upper end because his actions were wilful, he's shown no remorse and resisted his arrest once the Ecuadorians threw him out.
They've arrested David Letterman by mistake.
Nullius in verba
He fought extradition all the way to the UK supreme court and lost at every stage.
I personally hope he does a dump of everything he has related to corruption within the US govt and political parties in exchange for immunity.
Wouldn't that be something?
He was arrested for jumping bail.
Do you really believe that shit or are you deliberately gaslighting?
Frankly he has proven himself a liar at every stage of this and his supporters repeatedly prove themself fools for parroting his nonsense.
His narcissism and ego have do far more damage to the cause of whistleblowing than anybody ever.
I really cannot decide, but the propensity of his apologists to just make shit up is quite staggering and very amusing.
Keep it up you're adding to his world of hurt.
Back then the claims was they they wanted to either put him in gitmo or straight out execute him and that he would be extradited in secret from Sweden. That is why those theories where deemed conspiracy theories. Now we have the DoJ wanting him for an actual crime with a maximum sentence of 5 years, not quite the same situation.
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Can't wait for his snivelling ass to be shipped to the US for the reaming it sorely deserves.
It's pathetic that so there are so many comments defending the US/UK government. Enjoy your so called freedom. Orwell is right; Freedom is Slavery.
Actually now is the least-bad time for him to be arrested. He helped Trump's campaign, and they both share a raging hate-boner for Hillary. Perhaps he can expect a presidential pardon?
Kind of an interesting comment, with traces of insight, though troll-modded into near invisibility.
To actually deserve the insightful mod (which is where the mod wars have left your comment at this time), I think you should have considered the underlying dynamics of journalism. The objective of all journalism, even at Wikipedia in the early days, is to reveal the truth. Not a problem except for people who have dirty secrets to hide, and there are plenty of them. Actually, if you are looking for dirty secrets to reveal, Trump is the mother lode.
Now if Trump thought that Assange was holding dirty secrets about him, then that would be the only factor determining whether or not Trump would intervene. If Trump believed that Assange was about to release Trump's tax returns unless he was pardoned, then you can safely bet Trump would pardon Assange in the proverbial New York minute.
In contrast, if Assange was a real journalist and he had received Trump's tax returns, then he would have first attempted to validate their authenticity, and if satisfied with their authenticity, he would have released them already. That was the original idea of WikiLeaks before Assange became the story. To me the question of guilt is whether Assange made himself into the story, in which case he is certainly guilty of bad journalism, or whether it was inevitable that Assange would become the story, in which case Assange is merely incompetent and the underlying crime is the state of journalism today.
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The mood on Assange here on Slashdot has suspiciously shifted to "he deserves to be jailed".
You really think that? Almost everybody suggesting a prison sentence is needed is referring to the UK law he broke.
I'm seeing very little to no support for locking him up in the US. You seem to be paranoid, agenda pushing or just fucking terrible at assessing written information.
When you say "insurance policy", are you speculating that Assange might have some interesting dirty on the great dirtbag himself? Perhaps more drone videos? This time showing Trump cheating at golf?
Seriously, I'd love to see a video of Trump kicking the other player's ball into the bunker.
Even more seriously, the FBI should be bugging Trump's phone to see if Assange calls to offer a deal for a pardon. LOTS of categories of information that a REAL journalist might have revealed... WikiLeaks must have some of it?
Hmm... That gave me a weird idea. Maybe it goes back to Putin and his plans for Trump? I'm actually skeptical that any P-tape exists (though perhaps I shouldn't believe in any limit to Trump's idiocy), but Assange wouldn't care about the authenticity at this point. If Putin gave such a putative tape to Assange and then recorded Trump talking with Assange about it... Well, the kompromat doesn't get any better than that.
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"Julian Assange's crime is to violate the fundamental principles of government, to lift the veil of secrecy that protects power from scrutiny and keeps it from evaporating. It is well understood by the powerful that lifting the veil may cause power to evaporate. It may even lead to authentic freedom and democracy if an aroused public comes to understand that force is on the side of the governed, and that it can be there for them if they choose to control their own fate. We should all thank Julian for his courage and integrity in providing us with this precious gift, at great cost to himself, much to our shame." - Noam Chomsky https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
's cute that people still think the US i follow any sort of rules or laws.
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I just don't think Hilary had much to do with it. We all forget how much Wikileaks did before Hilary because he helped give us Trump. But Assange leaked mountains of documents from the wealthiest people on Earth. There was no scenario where he got away with that in the current oligarchy. The Hilary stuff is small potatoes. She was always just another bag man for the ultra wealthy. She never once threatened to upset their apple carts. What doomed Assange was getting on the bad side of people with unlimited access to money and power. That he escaped them for as long as he did is a minor miracle.
I'm not sure he "escaped" them at all. He was effectively imprisoned, on Ecuador's dime no less. Win-win: "we" get him locked up and "they" pay the tab.
Had he not been destabilizing governments, smearing feces on the walls of his room[1], etc. the Ecuadorians might have let him stick around longer--after all, revoking asylum is not something any country would ever do lightly--it undermines their ability to make such offers to others in the future and have those "others" not seriously question the wisdom, or value, of such an offer.
[1]https://www.bild.de/politik/ausland/politik-ausland/wikileaks-assange-soll-botschafts-waende-mit-kot-beschmiert-haben-61193968.bild.html (German, I'll leave it to someone else to try and find reporting in English on the subject, if it even exists. To get some news you have to leave the realm of your own country, and quite often, language).
I would become an actual fan of Trump if he pardoned Assange. I'm not holding my breath, mind you, but it would be a heck of a symbol that the US still has some tenuous hold on the rule of law.
Really? You are SUCH a fanboi of that Narcissist that would become a fan of an avowed racist who separates children from the parents en masse (50,000 and counting), who has been accused by multiple women of rape (two while still children), who has called for open violence against real reporters (in constrast to 2-bit hackers who hole up in foreign embassies), who has encouraged foreign powers to meddle in our elections while running for office, who enriches himself at public expense in violation of the constitution, who is an admitted serial sexual assaulter of women ("I just grab 'em by the p*ssy") etc. ad nauseum, all because he would abuse his pardon power (yet again) to let your personal "hero" off?
The only thing correct is that our hold on the rule of law over here is tenuous, but not for any of the reasons you cite or imply. Trump and his enablers are the ones actively and constantly assaulting our institutions and rule of law. Not those trying to enforce it.
But then you know that, don't you. Because you're already a fan of Trump and Assange ... you just want to pretend you're not because you know how little gravitas that particular admission will grant you.
He didn't hack into shit. He published info that was given to him.
He is charged with assisting Manning, in particular in helping Manning hack a password. That makes him a co-conspirator.
The Founders of the United States fought for and established, as Thomas Jefferson summed up, A Government Of, For, And By the People. This inherently requires the people to know what their Business of Government is doing. The Grand Jury in this matter has been and continues to be in contempt of the peoples right to know. Why is it not obvious to those so against Assange? The Second Amendment is second for a reason, where the first is about talk as is made clear in Declaration of Independence.
So consider this a test for you, where do you stand in honoring the Founders of the United States or otherwise? This is about the Peoples Business of Government as intended by the Founders of the US, so a work order based on the Declaration of Independence and in consideration of population growth to the point the people are no longer being heard due population size, so read and do http://3seas.org/ , send it to your representatives to resolve this change in population to be in alignment with honoring the Founders of the United States!
Note: I have become aware of politicians hiring people to filter their mail with bs excuses of not being a constituent regardless of their working on a federal level that effects ALL US citizens.
Manning, Julian/Wikileaks & Snowden have honored the Founders of the United States, how about you?
The problem is that they probably want Trump to pardon Assange to claim obstruction...
There's more background here, but I don't really trust the same DoJ that wrote about wanting to lock in Trump in a formal, chargeable way after being caught illegally spying on his campaign and working with a large group of foreign spies to do so...
Jews killed Jesus! American Christians kill Assange! History repeats itself! I hope a better species takes over!
Even if WikiLeaks changed how they release the information there are other explanations. WikiLeaks had trouble with some media who were editorializing the information themselves. Yet they depended on them to censor out wat was really national security (and they did filter large parts of that)
On the other hand, incredibly little happened after the first big troves were released. The sheeple proved to have a minuscule span of attention, and the media was quick to ignore/minimize/divert the results on status Quo.
It's not certain, but controlled release of information still makes sense also with good intentions. I am seriously surprised at how easily Americans fall into Russian scaremongering, even those educated in prestigious universities. It's probably all those years under the Cold War propaganda machine.
Trump took office with the most Republican to date cabinet. Full of oligarchs, full of Hawks. He's been diligent to big oil, big Telco and big pharma. And actually, with the cuts, big dollar in general. You need no external influence to explain Trump. It's silly to ask for one. Occam is clear: American money gave you your president. Again
She can run an international pedophile ring out of a pizza parlor and never even get investigated.
Hillary is so skilled she can run it out of a building's basement even when it does not even have a basement.
And let's get someone who's not an egotistical cunt running wikileaks.
enjoy your troll mods, you son of a bitch. Don't waste our time with your fallacious bullshit.
Show me the man, and I'll show the the crime, as the saying goes.
Speaking of which, Assange probably figured he'd get tortured into believing he was a woman at some CIA black site, or worse, if he didn't find refuge in the embassy. Wait for him to announce how much he loves Big Brother, before disappearing completely from public view.
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the difference is that Trump vs Hilary didn't matter to anyone with any real power. Despite what Glen Beck will tell you Hillary really doesn't have a global kill squad of female assassins with the "Can I talk to your manager" haircut. She's just a dumb broad good at manipulating inter-party politics to her advantage (but not good enough to beat a moderately charismatic black guy from Hawaii).
The Hillary stuff didn't impact the People Who Matter (tm) because whether it was her or Trump they still won. Hillary was a right of center candidate who wants to accelerate corporatism and outsourcing. Trump's all that with a bit more Evangelical crazy (thanks to Pence) and a $1 trillion dollar tax cut. The tax cut was a nice bonus, but it was just that, a bonus.
Now, those other docs he leaked let the world know where those rich were hiding their taxable dollars. Parts of Europe are busy cracking down. They'll fail, because their voters will get distracted by nonsense like scary Muslims, Brexit, and whatever passes for wedge issues and minorities over there, but it'll take some effort to right that ship and get back to eliminating the middle class. Assange screwed with the plans of the powerful. The People Who Matter (tm). He's going to jail. Probably for the rest of his life.
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to what ever they charge him with in Sweden.
Swedish jails are luxury compared to US hell holes. And he aint getting out of a US jail any time soon. (Would need to have a democrat president give him a pardon.)
The more likely scenario is that the rape charges have nothing to do with the USA and that they are bogus.
The Swedish prosecutor is a rabid feminist. And her behavior throughout has been terrible. Always refusing to interview and charge Assange outside Sweden even thought the practice was common place.
So now she is in a bad place. She will need to put up or shut up. That will be the next phase in this farce.
But if Assange has any brains he will plead guilty to whatever he is charged with. Swedish jails are holiday camps compared to US hell holes.
(And with US "tough on crime" he is in for decades. The first charge is just to get him out of the UK.)
I think I agree with your reaction, especially the last part, and it is part of why I have reconsidered and reformed my position on this story. Not much credit to Slashdot, but mostly some other stuff I read and probably one video news story. (However your comment is now partial reinforcement for my new analysis.)
Now I'm thinking that Assange's big crime was bad journalism, and even though I think Assange was quite guilty of quite bad journalism, I now basically think it is wrong for the government to attack him only on that basis. Lots of better journalists could be attacked for their mistakes if every incident of "bad journalism" was a crime. Right now I'm not clear what crimes they think they can stick on him, but I'm even considering a theory that the current charges are deliberately "trumped up" so that Trump can prevent Assange from going down.
I do NOT think that Trump is capable of thinking up this strategy, but it is within the cunning and guile of Kellyanne Conway, the greatest liar still working for Trump. I think Trump is about to pardon Assange and claim he is a champion of free speech and "REAL" journalism.
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He's been falsely charged for so many things since he outed some of the US war crimes in Iraq, that it is a tedious job to even list them.
This is revenge and a threat to journalism which exposes US crimes, pure and simple.
What now, internet weirdos? Hunh? The EU Copyright Directive spells the utter and final defeat of what remains of the various "Pirate Parties", they'll disband soon. New legislation adopted worldwide is killing unchecked speech on the internet and has introduced widespread censorship. People are cheering these moves. I don't see the internet "routing around the damage" anywhere. Encryption is being outlawed left and right. Surveillance is everywhere. TPM is on all computers. Linux on the desktop is dead in the water. Tim Berners-Lee ended up supporting DRM. Looks like you're totally defeated without even having tried to fight. Not that you could really do anything, of course: you're not only cowardly but also inept. :)
I largely agree with you, but I'm seeing things differently after getting some more input on it.
My current theory is that they deliberately trumped up a ridiculous charge against Assange so that it will look relatively innocuous when Trump pardons Assange and proclaims himself the champion of free speech and non-fake journalism. Not actually Trump's idea. Nowhere near smart enough, but I think it's right in Kellyanne Conway's line of confusion. If so, the pardon might come out as soon as they Assange lands in the States (though Trump could not care less about any effects on the election in that shithole country Australia).
The only residual problem is if Assange does more bad journalism, but this time against Trump. On that theory they might be holding the cat hostage.
I do think Assange is pretty much worthless as a journalist. He made himself into the story, mostly in search of more money. However bad journalism is not a crime.
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US law applies around the world, even if you aren't a US citizen. The reach of US law enforcement is long, like my dick. You f with the US govt, they will grab you out of the hole you're hiding in half way around the world and drag your ass back to federal district court to face the music.
Those "theories" had more to do with Sweden having a proven record of secretly handing a prisoner to the US, who was subsquently tortured by the US.
The American arrest warrant was received and served after he had remanded to Southall for his breach of bail, which is why he had to be re-arrested.
The needs of the many (the Ecuadorian population) far outweigh the needs of the few (the autistic neckbeards who yak about "online rights") or the one (Assange). Pissing off a major economic power is not a good idea when your own economy is not that good. Besides, there wasn't any outcome from the Wikileaks revelations. People did not take it to the streets. No rebellion happened. Elections were not swayed. Nothing changed. People do not care about surveillance, and are mostly in favor of it. New restrictive laws that would have been unthinkable are now passed left and right to the approval of many. People feel safe with a stronger, centralized, all-seeing and all-powerful state. In the end, the concept of individual "freedom" was only a temporary phenomenon in a long history of tyranny. Serfdom is the natural state of humanity.
Being in the legal system fighting for yourself for YEARS is for some WORSE than being in prison. This is a high profile case and the punishment is unknown and a lot of nightmare situations are entirely realistically possible so he wasn't just facing a normal punishment he could legitimately be made to suffer in the worst ways imaginable or murdered or framed and murdered etc. He messed with the US and it's massive corrupt spy machine; which is NOT known for poison. At least with Russia he'd just get sick a short period and die, at random and if careful maybe a decade later. We are talking about a nation which committed war crimes, kidnapped people by mistake and then jailed them for life and force feeds them etc. Not to mention the BS of purposely putting somebody in another country and asking them to violate your laws... because dancing around the law is not bad enough.
You can't imagine the suffering and paranoia even if you've experienced being a victim of the legal system; even if you've been attacked by much of the media or attacked by politicians etc. What he had to face in the beginning years was so much worse and then yes it was much better but a mild hell drawn out all these years that was probably worse than a nice EU jail.
...so all we owe him is a "thank you". If the truth is highly damaging to your candidate - you must have an extremely shitty candidate, one who deserves to lose.
Assange didn't rig the DNC primary, wanted Trump as a general election opponent, force Hillary to be such a right wing warmongering racist, or prevent her from bothering to show up in the Rust Belt states that were decisive in the election.
For perfectly valid reasons, toolbag. Which is why Ecuador granted him aslylum in the first place, and why the UN declared his de facto detention unjust and arbitrary. And he only lost appeals in the UK because the country is as much a poodle of the United States today as it was during the the Bush Administration. But there's even precedent for the UK to block extradition for alleged hackers because the United States has a medieval prison system.
Look, this isn't hard. If this was ever really about alleged rape allegations, all Sweden had to do was promise not to hand Assange over to the United States. Even if you think Assange was lying about returning to Sweden upon such a promise, Ecuador would no longer have a reason to give him asylum, meaning Sweden would have him back one way or the other.
Heads you're wrong, tails you're wrong.
When. When has Assange lied about anything, much less "every stage". Unlike every pundit, media organization and online troll such as yourself, Assange and Wikileaks have a 100% record of authenticity.
But lets go ahead and say Assange was lying about his offer to return to Sweden if the government promised not to hand him over to the United States - if such a promise was made, Ecuador would no longer have a reason to grant Assange asylum, meaning Sweden would have him back in their custody regardless, in short order.
Your mindless character assassination on behalf of a club you'll never be allowed into is noted, shitweasel.