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Brazil, proofs produced by illegal means cannot be used

Same in America, and usually, that is how it works.

For a couple hundred pages of citations to the contrary, please read Constitutional Chaos. A bunch of under $10 used copies there, it's a very well-done book that every US citizen should understand before hitting the voting booth.

They wanted more info on the potential espionage. They didn't necessarily want it to use in a court of law.

Brazil, proofs produced by illegal means cannot be used

Same in America, and usually, that is how it works.

For a couple hundred pages of citations to the contrary, please read Constitutional Chaos. A bunch of under $10 used copies there, it's a very well-done book that every US citizen should understand before hitting the voting booth.

The most important aspect of the definition of theft is that it is about the deprivation of a rival good. If I steal a car from you, you are deprived of that car. That's how the word works, that's how the law works.

You (and just about everyone who makes this argument) keep missing the forest for the trees. No, a physical good is not lost in infringement, but value IS lost.

I would refer you to this item, which is a $50 audio CD by an indie artist. Apparently there is a market for this CD at a $50 pricepoint-- if there were not, the price would be lower. Now what do you suppose happens when something like that gets onto limewire or bittorrent? Do you think perhaps that either A) there are fewer buyers, B) the price is lowered, but revenue still declines, or C) the guy just stops making indie music?

There seem to be several assumptions from people who make your argument that are just wrong. One seems to be an implicit idea that infringement is OK because it lowers the price point and acts as a form of competition, but this ignores the fact that black markets do the same thing. Another seems to be that if the artist cant make money with piracy occuring, then he needs to change how he does things (ie, make less money) or go out of business; this basically says a whole range of small-time creators dont desesrve to exist (like Wo. A third invalid assumption is that since theft has been around forever and infringement has not, infringement must be less valid of a societal law. But copyright was built into the constitution, apparently because some 200 years ago the founders decided that not having copyright was not a good thing, and that certain ideas should in fact count as SOME kind of property for a limited time. You're free to argue that, but "infringement" isnt exactly new, and creative types have for a long time sought ways to protect their ideas.

Im not arguing that you are not correct in technical terms, but its sort of like arguing the difference between a record and a CD to your 60 yo father-- you may be technically right, but its not helpful to the discussion. For the intents and purposes discussed on slashdot, there is no important difference in this digital world between theft and infringement that I can discern.

Go back to your order, and leave packing feedback. Amazon has a nice form letting you vent about ridiculously-sized boxes.

Ever since they began collecting that data, I've noticed that my Amazon orders do seem to come in more appropriately-sized boxes (although they do still occasionally go ridiculously overboard). Their Frustration Free Packaging initiative is also great for consumers and the environment alike.

PC wrote the book on More Information Than You Require!

And yet you agreed to it. Fool.

> Oh well, I guess that makes it right and okay then.

Unconscionable terms are unenforceable. You're still a fool for agreeing to unread terms, though.

You can call me a fool yet how many end user licenses have you fully read through? All of your products and services? I know I would have no time to work or play if I had to read (and understand each one). And that's what we're talking about. I read through contracts that I have to go through the whole nine yards and sign....

But I buy a product, say this Soda Stream maker:
http://www.amazon.com/SodaStream-Soda-Seltzer-Maker-Starter/dp/B002SKHQS4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1277472294&sr=8-1

Only to find out after the fact that it has an end-user license dictating what cylinders you can put in (it has a propietary attachment) and all the like. I think we're all fools for putting up with it.

Hijacking an early post, because I am disgusted.

Comparing Chapter 11 reviews:

From TFR:

This final chapter I really enjoyed since I like to play with layouts. The layout module
is bundled as part of SketchUp Pro and is introduced in this final chapter for those who wish to explore the free trial before committing to Pro. You will learn how to bring together SketchUp models and artistic or rendered output into a screen presentation or printed portfolio, adding borders, text and dimensions.

From Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/SketchUp-7-1-Architectural-Visualization-Beginners/dp/1847199461/

Layout
is bundled as part of SketchUp Pro and is introduced in this final chapter for those who wish to explore the free trial before committing to Pro. You will learn how to bring together SketchUp models and artistic or rendered output into a screen presentation or printed portfolio, adding borders, text and dimensions.

Either awful copy-paste, or awful slashvertisement. I suspect someone with an interest of selling a lot of these books, trying to push favorable reviews as many places as possible.

This is pretty much a cut-and-paste of the Product Description from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/SketchUp-7-1-Architectural-Visualization-Beginners/dp/1847199461/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277316764&sr=8-1

Hate him or Loath him, Gates was a Geek. While he was at Microsoft he actually did some coding. Not the most elegant code mind you but it compiled most of the time and ran only a little less often.

*cough* Have you ever read "Barbarians Led By Bill Gates"? The quality of Gates' own code is just an amusing little footnote really, but it's an instructive one as far as your comment is concerned.

Seriously, check it out.

http://www.amazon.com/Monopoly-00035-Money/dp/B00000IWCW/ref=pd_bxgy_t_img_a

Ditto for Monopoly money too

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00031TXTU.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Lots of bad shit happens in the world. The best way to combat it isn't to commit more bad shit yourself.

Fine, I'm forgoing the mod points I've already spent in this thread, since there's so much damn cluelessness about the "value" of overwork.

For everyone who thinks habitual working hours over a sustainable 35-45 hour pace (which varies by individual) is a good thing, go read Tom DeMarco's book Slack. He neatly debunks the pointy-haired boss myths (and gullible, guiltable workaholic engineer myths) regarding overwork. Some examples: very quickly after working at maximum sustainable pace, your work output per hour starts to drop. Eventually, you've been pulling 60 hours or more for just a few weeks and you're not really getting any more done than you would have at your sustainable pace. For severe overwork, you're getting a LOT less done. Also, "undertime" becomes endemic at high workloads -- that need to "just pop out for a few hours" during working hours to deal with all of that life-stuff that's being neglected.

The larger points of the book surround how a concept of "slack" is vital to the success of any individual, team, and/or company that depends on knowledge work. This "slack" is an ingredient which supplies the ability to quickly respond to changing requirements, to seize opportunities, and to handle market shifts. One of my favorite distinctions that DeMarco draws in the book is between an organization's efficiency and effectiveness. In this context, efficiency is roughly defined as "how fast are we moving towards some goal?" while effectiveness is defined as "are we moving towards the right goal?" Many organizations optimize solely for efficiency -- moving forward at a breakneck pace -- and sacrifice effectiveness in so doing. The organizational ship becomes hard to steer, and often times ends up at the wrong goal.

Heck, Barbara Liskov (2008 ACM Turing Award winner) has a great quote on this topic... IIRC, to the effect of how she felt guilty for times when she worked less, until she realized that she was always more productive and energized during those times.

Ain't it foggy outside
All the planes have been grounded
Ain't the fire inside?
Let's all go stand around it
Funny, I've been there
And you've been here
And we ain't had no time to drink that beer

'Cause I understand you've been running from the man
That goes by the name of the Sandman
He flies the sky like an eagle in the eye
Of a hurricane that's abandoned

Ain't the years gone by fast
I suppose you have missed them
Oh, I almost forgot to ask
Did you hear of my enlistment?

Funny, I've been there
And you've been here
And we ain't had no time to drink that beer

'Cause I understand you've been running from the man
That goes by the name of the Sandman
He flies the sky like an eagle in the eye
Of a hurricane that's abandoned

I understand you've been running from the man
That goes by the name of the Sandman
He flies the sky like an eagle in the eye
Of a hurricane that's abandoned

I understand you've been running from the man
That goes by the name of the Sandman
He flies the sky like an eagle in the eye
Of a hurricane that's abandoned

I understand you've been running from the man
That goes by the name of the Sandman
He flies the sky like an eagle in the eye
Of a hurricane that's abandoned

http://www.amazon.com/Sandman-Album-Version/dp/B001OGTT10/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1277209003&sr=8-1

The AC100 is a little larger and more traditional. It's got a keyboard and a trackpad, but weighs just 870g, with a 10.1-inch display. It's 21mm thick, and will be running Android 2.1, placing it in a strange middle ground between mobile phone, a tablet and a netbook.

Oddly, it doesn't have a touchscreen -- just a traditional TFT. Controlling Android with a mouse and keyboard is an odd experience, but you get used to it relatively quickly, especially once you get used to the custom software that Toshiba has preloaded the device with. That software allows your homescreen to change based on what network you're connected to -- allowing you to have one for home, one for work, etc.

I own a touchscreen Windows 7 netbook, and either my touchscreen is incredibly imprecise or Windows is not the way to go.

Billy Thorpe - Children of the Sun
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_18?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-music&field-keywords=children+of+the+sun+billy+thorpe&x=0&y=0&sprefix=children+of+the+su

Gone anaon due to work-related opinions...

This guy wrote a book. He was on NPR recently toting it around.

The Checklist Manifesto: How to Get Things Right
http://www.amazon.com/Checklist-Manifesto-How-Things-Right/dp/0805091742/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277108854&sr=8-1

It's a good book. I bought it because some of the IT goons in my department had a hard time doing things correctly, consistently. Or, more honestly, they are a bunch of f--k-ups who need to be fired, but the boss won't. Make a flippin checklist. Google uses checklist. Smart people use checklists. Nobody with a brain expects themselves to do things 100% right 100% of the time, but when it counts for things like airplanes and surgery (how about oil rigs?), make a flippin checklist and have your work cross-verified by someone else.

This goes for server work and code too.

So, they are coming out with a phone that has 2 main differentiating factors.

1, it uses an OS that is based on the same one as their failed mp3 player. A failure, I might add, that enjoyed immense "grass roots" hype for months on end preceding its launch and now languishes at number 14 on the Amazon mp3 player bestseller list behind even the Sansa Clip. An OS that is also similar to the Kin phones that have not exactly lit the "feature phone without the features" category on fire and isn't looking likely to change soon.

2, The other differentiating characteristic of the Windows Phone 7 phones is that they lack even basic features that even the iPhone has had (cut and paste) or will have very shortly (multi-tasking). And they expect this thing to actually do anything in the marketplace?

Are there really that many XBox live afficionados out there that are dying to get the experience on their phones?

Oh, and before I forget, I remember having to scroll around on the display back in the eighties when the resolution was set at 1024x768 and the monitor only supported 800x600. It sucked then and it will suck now on this phone.

Amen, brother.

Quit Your Job Often And Get Big Raises - By Gordon Miller

I'm guessing it's less that the computer itself is dumbing anyone down, and more that they're doing it instead of other things. 8+ hours a day doesn't leave a lot of time to study.

It could be that using the computer can replace some studying. Games can help improve thinking skills as well as prepare people for careers. People can learn about running a business, or other things such as critical thinking skills, by playing the Hotdog Stand game. Amazon's description says "Students improve math, problem-solving, and communication skills in this real-life business simulation where they manage a busy concession stand in a big-city stadium. Students interpret information, keep records, determine prices, and plat (my comment - plot?) marketing strategies." Super Smart Games lists more games for learning.

Falcon

I don't think it's purely time, but something closer to perception of time or difficulty. When Jesper Juul surveyed a bunch of self-described "casual" and "hardcore" gamers for his book, he didn't really find a strong different in hours spent between the two--- there were plenty of casual gamers who put in 40-hour weeks playing their casual games, just like there are full-time FPS players. There seems to somehow be a feeling of less time investment, though, or perhaps more granularity of time investment (you'll never be stuck in a 30-minute sequence you can't save-and-exit from). Perhaps also less attention/effort required to some extent: casual games are more of an unwind-and-relax activity.

I think maybe people are smarter than you think they are. Would you like a Kin phone? You can get it cheap. Apparently in the past month since physical availability not one Amazon user has cared enough to even review the thing, even though you can now buy it for a penny ($349.98 off retail). Even the Microsoft haters don't care enough to log into their Amazon accounts to bash the thing, though you can be sure they will in the next day. Reports are that the platform (both Kin One and Kin Two) have moved an astounding 500 units in that month. Worldwide. That's not even one per store. Hell, that's not even one per member of the team that designed and produced the freaking thing. Just the marketing team probably has more than 500 members and even they can't be persuaded to buy it. The number is not very credible, but it's the only number we'll ever see because there's no way Microsoft is going to tell us the actual scale of their failure, and they can't deny the rumor without giving the number.

At some point in the next year a C?O is going to be troubleshooting his PC by pointing the user-side webcam of his iPhone or 'Droid at the inscrutable error display in an attempt to show exactly how his PC failed him to tech support. That'll happen with hundreds of CIOs, CEOs and CTOs, and then one accidentally freakishly intelligent member of that population will have the epiphany: the desktop sucks because it's using the wrong software, and the phone doesn't because it isn't. He'll fix it, and tell his friends, and they'll tell their friends. And then our long national nightmare will be over.

I'm thinking that Windows Phone 7 is going to be such a gorgeous failure that it will serve as a lesson to others throughout three decades of tech. It's looking like a trainwreck on the scale of a Hilton/Lohan/Spears girl's night out. It's Glitter meets Waterworld meets Uwe Boll, to give a cinematic reference. I'd make a car analogy, but such a disaster in the annals of automotive engineering doesn't come to mind. It's going to be lovely. I wish the Internet had a record button so I could replay this trainwreck over and over in slow motion in my declining years. It will be epic.

The ones that are dropping are because of two reasons...

1 - china made junk flooding the market. There is a metric crapload of really low grade Solar panels on the market from china. These low grade panels are also of the worst designs that are easiest to make that flat out suck in real world use.

http://www.amazon.com/Sunforce-50044-60-Watt-Solar-Charging/dp/B000CIADLG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1276875660&sr=8-1

for example is complete garbage. It's all marketing hype and they fail to tell you that any shadow, even a line from a cable across the panel reduces output drastically.

They do admit to being Amorphous.. I.E. the cheapest to make solar panel. They are about 6% efficient. However, there’s a reason why thin film solar panels haven’t replaced older types yet. They’re just not as efficient. With about a six percent conversion rate for energy drawn from the sun, they can only draw about half the wattage from sunlight that mono and polycrystalline panels do, making them take up twice as much installation space for the same amount of power.

Plus most of these are also built poorly. so the 6% is assuming they were built perfectly. The most I have seen from any of the cheap china panels out there has been around 4%...

I had better luck with really old burned industrial used ones from the solar farms out west. I have a pair of 6 foot panels I bought for $340.00 that are a dark brown from being in the sun for years that put out more power than 4 of the kits' linked above do.

The Man Whose Name Wouldn't Fit, published in 1968.

We should be far from being enthusiasthic about something which Apple touts now but, more or less, neglected a bit up to this point. Also, A5 might be a "major step up"...while at the same time ending up pretty much where other comparable SoCs are.

I don't think that the A4 is the next Skynet. I just think it is a necessary first step if Apple wants to control more in their chip design. We'll see where Apple goes with it.

I don't think your description of Apple's modus operandi is accurate BTW - they actually like to wooe people with first attractive implementation;

Which of Apple's products doesn't fit this mold? The iPod Classic pretty much as the same form factor now as it did when it first launched. The replaced the scroll wheel with the click-wheel, added video, etc. The Mac mini has only gotten smaller. The iMac still is an all-in-machine but now with LCD instead of CRT.

iPod which...is vastly outsold by media players from other manufacturers;

Do you have actual data to support that claim? From Amazon's top seller list, the iPod Touch (#2 and #3) are only out sold in Electronics by a Kindle. Out of the top 20 spots, 6 of them are iPods. #20 is the only other MP3 player, a Sansa. According to some estimates, the iPod holds about 73% of the market.

iTunes on the verge of loosing #1 spot in one of few markets where it's event present (Europe)

[Citation needed] First of all if you are referring to iTunes, the software, it's free so I don't see how it is losing any markets. If you are referring to the store, Apple sold it's 10 billionth song in February and is considered the #1 music store in the world surpassing Wal-mart 2 years ago. And that's just in music. It is the #1 App store at the present as well.

That also means everybody will do pretty much the same thing long term; there is not a lot of functionality which SoCs would need to have added, and limiting power consumption is something generally appreciated. Apple would have a hard time finding somebody who isn't also a competitor one way or another.

Apple is now firmly in control now is every aspect of their chip design. Before they would have to rely on Samsung to implement changes. If Apple wanted to implement encryption on the chip, they could do it instead of waiting for Samsung. They could also drop Samsung which wouldn't have been a practical option if they didn't do their own designs.

Yeah.... You could already buy a "Kill-a-watt" meter and hook it up to a device to see how much power it draws. Most people probably haven't bothered, even though it only costs $20 or so.

http://www.amazon.com/P3-International-P4400-Electricity-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU

The thing is, beyond taking steps to simply reduce usage of the device in question, or alter your usage patterns so you use it more at night (or otherwise deemed "off peak" electrical usage hours), you can't do anything else to make it cost less to operate. Your only option becomes getting rid of it and buying a new, more efficient alternative. And THAT usually costs FAR more than the savings is worth, unless you simply wait until the old one wears out and needs replacing anyway. Even then, some of these "super energy efficient" appliances sell at a large premium price. Will it pay for itself before it breaks down and is taken out of service? It's often a gamble!

I just finished reading the Zombie Survival Guide and no where in there does he mention the use of gold bricks as a weapon, but I think you're on to something here. Just because the world has turned into a disease ridden hell hole full of the undead corpses of those you once loved doesn't mean you can't protect yourself in style. You, good sir, are a visionary.

$89 dollars on amazon...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Q9GIPQ/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?ie=UTF8&cloe_id=fb1a8b31-b700-4cba-8ba8-f076f22666af&attrMsgId=LPWidget-A2&pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B003I7HM94&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=19JQS3Q4WPP7BS8ZFWM5 Doesnt anyone google anymore?

but if I had the money for ten printers

You don't have $700 bucks? Maybe you could go upstairs and ask your mom if she'll put it on her credit card.
http://www.amazon.com/Photosmart-C4780-Printer-Q8380A-ABA/dp/B0027ISA2S/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1276749250&sr=1-1

But by all means, keep posting your deep economic insights to Slashdot.

Is there really big money in catering to sites like cryptome and wikileaks?

Depends on your business model. If you have targeted ads, you might do well.

A well placed antacid advertisement might just hook a scumbag CEO reading about himself.

An amazon associate link to The Book of Virtues probably wouldn't go over so well to the same CEO.

I recommend reading The Geek Gap. It might give you some further insight into the topic (and, if nothing else, it might help your boss and their boss understand the importance of a proper department).

I also would recommend anyone in an IT or management position to read that book. It's a great read that can be finished over a weekend.

BTW, do you have any solid source at hand for thise 85% stat? Might be useful to me.

      Medical school. No seriously, it's in most medical texts that have to do with diagnostics/semiology and/or family medicine texts (Rakel would be a good place to start, I think I remember a break-down in the first few chapters, etc) that break down what patients consult for by disease type. I'm not a walking library and I can't hand you a reference with page numbers, etc, but I'm not making it up. Once you remove the non life-threatening allergies, the common viral infections (respiratory and digestive) that don't become complicated, and all those messy and painful but non life-threatening menstrual problems that women constantly complain about, all the sedentary overweight people with digestive and musculoskeletal complaints, and all the migraines, there's really not a lot left. But that little bit that's left MUST be treated by a physician or the patient will probably die from it.

Sorry, meant to attach a link: http://www.amazon.com/Hello-World-Computer-Programming-Beginners/dp/1933988495/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1276643304&sr=8-1

I know you think you're very smart. But you really don't understand how different clouds are, or you don't understand what a control group is.

If you were going to test a fishing lure, would you use a "control group" consisting of trout, bass, pike, baleen whales, and tiger sharks? Would you then apply the results to all "fish", despite the fact that some of those weren't fish at all? I would hope not.

This is the case with clouds.

If you'd like to know more, try Wallace and Hobbs. It's one of the cornerstones of modern atmospheric science. I know you're all hip and can make fancy [citation needed] fake-wiki code, but there are some subjects you can't be an expert on just by casually reading a page on the internet. Neurosurgery and cloud microphysics are two of those things.

Cheers!

I keep meaning to work through The Elements of Computing Systems: Building a modern computer from first principles.

There's a website that supports the book, and a Google tech-talk video.

Best of Byte - downloadable for $5 a volume:

http://www.amazon.com/Best-BYTE-Vol-Programming-Languages/dp/B000BQJ4U0

I have no idea where you live, because here in the US, the Xbox 360 is $250 and a 40 inch decent HDTV is no more than $900, while the cheapest 30 inch monitor which supports 2560 x 1600 in newegg is the LG W3000H-Bn at $1,150.

I could buy the Xbox 360 with two games and a decent HDTV for the price you paid for your monitor. But hey! You are able to play Crysis (a two year old mediocre game as far as gaming is concerned) in ultra high resolution!

I have no idea where you live, because here in the US, the Xbox 360 is $250 and a 40 inch decent HDTV is no more than $900, while the cheapest 30 inch monitor which supports 2560 x 1600 in newegg is the LG W3000H-Bn at $1,150.

I could buy the Xbox 360 with two games and a decent HDTV for the price you paid for your monitor. But hey! You are able to play Crysis (a two year old mediocre game as far as gaming is concerned) in ultra high resolution!

Or... even better... buy one of this
or this
With same results... as a living room appliance.

But then my local coffeeshop is my kitchen

This will soon be the case with us. We have an awesome espresso machine on our wedding registry, and someone in one of our families actually bought it! not sure who it was, but we've decided that whoever did it gets to take the leftover booze home after the party :-)

That was one of the most rewarding links I have ever followed from Slashdot. While reviewing a book [3rd ed.] by Bryan Garner, David Foster Wallace explains that ultimately the only reason that anyone should use "begging the question" to refer exclusively to the petitio principii fallacy is that otherwise hordes of Privileged White Men (and other initiates of Standard Written English) will be struck by the jarring violation of the rules of SWE and automatically discount the credibility of the writer and the "Ethical" force of the argument.

Thus, one can confidently use "begging" for "raising" so long as being thereby excluded from the SWE "Discourse Community" will not impair the force of one's argument or undermine one's intent. I contend that--at least on Slashdot--such exclusion is in fact quite detrimental to successful communication, and cite in support the (typical) tens of outraged grammar/syntax comments in this thread.

Oh blah, stupid AJAX in-line updating crap. I meant to link to this one.

You want a console with a Blu-Ray drive, built-in WiFi, and 250GB drive from a large company that has shady business products?

Here you go!

Textbook writers and professors knew all along that this stuff was elementary.

May I recommend a book for this class?

Elementary Differential Equations and Boundary Value Problems, 6th Edition
http://www.amazon.com/Elementary-Differential-Equations-Boundary-Problems/dp/0471089559

You're going to have to be more specific for the dummies like me. Take the United Nuclear link that has a laser but it's $30 for 30mW. The one this article is about is 1000mW. So on a per-watt basis it's 1/5th the price, which seems the better value really if what you care about is the setting things on fire part.

First of all if your interested in playing with more powerful lasers it's important you understand safety and basic laser theory.

There are plenty of resources out there.

The problem is, to do that you'd need a MUCH bigger solar panel. I have one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Powermonkey-eXplorer-Portable-Charger-Solar/dp/B000Y9KW9G
and the solar panel in full sunlight can just barely charge a phone. It can get the battery pack it comes with most of the way charged in a couple of days, which you can then use to recharge your phone. It's better than nothing, but it's not going to do that and be a light source too...

Please explain how this is not a handheld tv:

http://www.amazon.com/Innovative-Solutions-DHT235D-3-5-Inch-Digital/dp/B00385YJEW/ref=pd_cp_e_1

It hasn't even been 10 years yet.

Consider getting a UHF amp for her. I got one for my basement, and now it gets better reception than my living room. I'm pretty sure this is the one I have. It was a lot more than that when I bought it, I should buy another one for my living room.

You'll want to make or buy a better antenna too.

I believe I read that in either this book or this one.

I believe I read that in either this book or this one.

seriously, how many gamers have Wii's gathering dust in their closets already?

As of 10 AM ET this morning, the Will holds 11 of the top 25 slots - hardware and software - as best sellers in video games for Amazon.com.

a knockoff copy of their controller

Natal was always much more than a knock-off.