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1) 2011 "Out of the Blue" - Best researched UFO documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
2) 2001 Disclosure Project - Dozens of high ranking goverment+military officials testify publicly of aliens+UFOs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
3) 2013 Citizen's Hearing - 40 researchers and military/agency/political witnesses testify for 30 hours before 6 former congress members: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... (part 1)
4) Bob Lazar Area51/S4 whistleblower - 10.5 hours of testimony : https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
5) Ex CIA death bed confession on reality of aliens/ufos - https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
6) List of countries that have disclosed UFO files: (loooong list) - http://www.disclosureproject.o...

I could go on, but there's already week's worth of material here alone.

I agree the question has been answered many times by several governments - but the answer, in several ocasions is: there are UFO, and ther eare humanoid-non homo sapiens being piloting some of them. It just depends on which persons of which governments you look at.

You can search for "disclosure project' and watch some of their videos - and decide for yourself which side is lying - and wetehr "terhe are no aliens" is the truth, or just the most comfortable position on the game. ( http://www.disclosureproject.org/ )

SG: And we've also now admitted that there were nuclear experiments done where people were literally injected and infected with plutonium, the deadliest substance known to man. So I think that the world didn't fall apart then; it was acknowledged that those things happened. I think that many people understand that extreme measures are taken in the fog of war, or in the fog of confusion of dealing with something like this. I don't know that people would be happy with it - they weren't happy when those other things were disclosed. But of course, the point that we've always made about disclosure, and I think it has to go from disclosing information and documents about UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligence to the next phase, which is what we're working on now, and that's the disclosure of the raison d'etre for the secrecy, meaning of course the actual very powerful energy and propulsion systems that are well known in very classified, corporatized projects, but which of course would result in the termination of the fossil fuel industry including all oil, coal, gas, centralized utilities and what have you. But this sort of disclosure is something which can be a positive event and again, one of the things I said many years ago to one of the senior Pentagon people is that if a disclosure is done that hits all the "hot buttons" of paranoia, and fear and insecurity that humans have..

Props for providing an honest to God LOL, /.

That's a total bullshit argument.

NASA would beg to differ...
Evidence: The Case For NASA UFO's - Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8524267568796529301

As would these 500 men ...
http://www.disclosureproject.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkswXVmG4xM

Finally, you'll get your dam personal proof in ~2030, and the we can stop arguing about these nonsense questions and get to the real questions -- "What is your view on Religion? Politics? Economics? Math?" .. and the most important one "Why the fuck do you look like humans?"

Presumably ET stole the links to the websites :-(

http://projectcamelotportal.com/

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

The Disclosure Project...there is much more out there than the official story. Educate yourself and demand answers.

See The Disclosure Project to start.

The SETI program is crap, has always been crap, and is a waste of time/resources...much like this article.

Some quick research around the article led me to http://www.disclosureproject.org/.

Mods, please forgive me for double posting the list of names.

The reason that I do this that, if the following people are hallucinating, we do have a significant problem recruiting and selecting people who command nuclear installations, aircraft carriers and so on.

Now if the following people are seeing things, often together with dozens of other people at their locations is one thing.

If SAC people start seeing things visually, and on radar, and at the same time all 10 missile missile silo's shutdown, while each is equipped with a triple redundant power system, you can tell there's something really really odd going on.

All the more if another base 50 miles further sees the same thing and experiences the same technological failures.

People here working with high-availability and high-reliability can surely appreciate that I'd say..

If both people and machines are hallucinating on that level and on this scale, I'm surprised that we are still alive at all!

Source: http://www.disclosureproject.org/aboutexecsumm.htm [disclosureproject.org]

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Testimony that Explains the Secrecy

Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command; Lt. Col. Charles Brown: US Air Force (Ret.); "Dr. B"; Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt: US Marine Corps; Maj. George A. Filer, III: US Air Force (Ret.); Nick Pope: British Ministry of Defense Official; Larry Warren: US Air Force, Security Officer; Sgt. Clifford Stone: US Army; Master Sgt. Dan Morris: US Air Force, NRO Operative; A.H.: Boeing Aerospace Employee; Officer Alan Godfrey: British Police; Sgt. Karl Wolf: US Air Force; Ms. Donna Hare: NASA Employee; Mr. John Maynard: DIA Official; Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer; Glen Dennis: NM UFO Crash Witness; Sgt. Leonard Pretko: US Air Force; Dr. Roberto Pinotti: Italian UFO expert; Dr. Paul Czysz: McDonnell Douglas Career Engineer; Astronaut Edgar Mitchell; John Callahan: FAA Head of Accidents and Investigations; Michael Smith: US Air Force Radar Controller; Franklin Carter: US Navy Radar Technician; Neil Daniels: United Airlines Pilot; Lt. Frederick Fox: US Navy Pilot; Captain Robert Salas: US Air Force, SAC Launch Controller; Prof. Robert Jacobs: US Air Force; Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy; James Kopf: US Navy Crypto Communications

Witness Testimony Overview

Astronaut Edgar Mitchell: May 1998; Monsignor Corrado Balducci: September 2000

Radar and Pilot Cases

FAA Division Chief John Callahan; Sgt. Chuck Sorrells: US Air Force (ret.); Mr. Michael W. Smith: US Air Force; Commander Graham Bethune: US Navy (ret.); Mr. Enrique Kolbeck: Senior Air Traffic Controller; Dr. Richard Haines; Mr. Franklin Carter: US Navy; Neil Daniels: Airline Pilot; Sgt. Robert Blazina (ret.); Lieutenant Frederick Marshall Fox: US Navy (ret.); Captain Massimo Poggi; Lt. Bob Walker: US Army; Mr. Don Bockelman: US Army

SAC/Nuke

Captain Robert Salas; Professor Robert Jacobs: Lt. US Air Force; Lt. Colonel Dwynne Arneson: US Air Force (ret.); Colonel Ross Dedrickson: US Air Force/AEC (ret.); Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy; Mr. James Kopf: US Navy/ National Security Agency; Lieutenant Colonel Joe Wojtecki, US Air Force; Staff Sergeant Stoney Campbell: US Air Force

Government Insiders/ NASA/ Deep Insiders

Astronaut Gordon Cooper; Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command; Lieutenant Colonel Charles Brown: US Air Force (ret.); Dr. Carol Rosin; ÃoeDr. B.Ã; Lance Corporal John Weygandt: U.S. Marine Corps; Major A. Filer III: U.S. Air Force; Mr. Nick Pope: British Ministry Of Defense; Admiral Lord Hill-Norton: Five-Star Admiral, Former Head of the British Ministry of Defense; Security Officer Larry Warren: United States Air Force; Captain Lori Rehfeldt; Sergeant Clifford Stone: United States Army; Major-General Vasily Alexeyev: Russian Air Force; Master Sergeant Dan Morris: US Air Force/NRO Operative (ret.); Mr. Don Phillips: Lockheed Skunkworks, USAF, and CIA Contractor; Captain

Sgt. Clifford Stone (US Army)

http://www.disclosureproject.org/witnesssamples.htm

"During the discussion of UFOs, the question, ultimately, is going to come up, can any government keep secrets, let alone the U.S. Government? And the answer to that is unequivocally yes. But one of the greatest weapons the intelligence community has at their disposal is a predisposition by the American people, the American politicians and the debunkers â" people who wish to try to debunk UFO information. They immediately come out and say, oh, we canâ(TM)t keep secrets, we canâ(TM)t keep secrets. Well, the truth is, yes, we can.

        "The National Reconnaissance Office remained secret for many, many years. The mere existence of the NSA remained secret. The development of the atomic weapon remained secret until once you exploded one you eventually had to tell some people what was going on.

        "And we are conditioned by our own paradigms not to accept the possibility or probability of a highly advanced intelligent civilization coming here to visit us. You have evidence in the form of highly credible reports of objects being seen, of the entities inside these objects being seen. Yet, we look for a prosaic explanation and we throw out the bits and pieces of the evidence that doesn't meet our paradigm. So it is a self-keeping secret. You can conceal it in plain sight. It is political suicide to go and start hitting up intelligence agencies to get this information released. So, most of your members of Congress, and I know Iâ(TM)ve worked with a lot of them along that line, will balk and try not to do it. I can name you three members of Congress that were point blank asked to have a congressional inquiry on what happened here at Roswellâ¦

        "We have got to get the documentation as it exists in the Government files. We have got to get it released before it ultimately is destroyed. A good example is the Blue Fly and Moon Dust files. I had classified documents the Air Force acknowledged. When I got members of Congress to help me open up more files, they were immediately destroyed and I can prove this.

        "Somewhere along the line, they may see that material and realize there is some very highly sensitive information that would have a damning effect upon the national security of United States should it become compromised. It needs to be further protected, to insure that there is only a limited access to that information to a small number of people. So small you can put them on a list of paper, on a piece of paper, and list them by name. Thus, you have the special access programs. The controls that were supposed to be put on the special access programs are not there. When Congress did their review of the way we protect documents, and the way we go ahead and implement our secrecy programs, they found that you had special access programs within special access programs â" that is was essentially impossible to keep control of them all by Congress. And, Iâ(TM)m telling you right now; it is essentially impossible to keep control of them all.

        "When it comes to UFOs, the same criteria applies. Therefore, only a small nucleus within the intelligence community, numbering less than a hundred * no, Iâ(TM)d suggest less than 50 * control all that information. It is not subject to congressional review or oversight at all. So, Congress needs to go ahead and ask the hard questions and convene a hearing."

Let me post that list again of people who would really like to TESTIFY UNDER OATH before Congress:
(and risk 15 years in jail if lying!). Mitchell is in good company with people who have very solid track records!

The world is more than ready to hear the truth once and for all so that we come put an end to these perpetuating dichotomies between 'believers' and 'skeptics'.

We don't need all the military, sensitive details and stuff: just a YES or NO, what they look like and their intentions.

Source: http://www.disclosureproject.org/aboutexecsumm.htm

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Testimony that Explains the Secrecy

Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command; Lt. Col. Charles Brown: US Air Force (Ret.); "Dr. B"; Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt: US Marine Corps; Maj. George A. Filer, III: US Air Force (Ret.); Nick Pope: British Ministry of Defense Official; Larry Warren: US Air Force, Security Officer; Sgt. Clifford Stone: US Army; Master Sgt. Dan Morris: US Air Force, NRO Operative; A.H.: Boeing Aerospace Employee; Officer Alan Godfrey: British Police; Sgt. Karl Wolf: US Air Force; Ms. Donna Hare: NASA Employee; Mr. John Maynard: DIA Official; Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer; Glen Dennis: NM UFO Crash Witness; Sgt. Leonard Pretko: US Air Force; Dr. Roberto Pinotti: Italian UFO expert; Dr. Paul Czysz: McDonnell Douglas Career Engineer; Astronaut Edgar Mitchell; John Callahan: FAA Head of Accidents and Investigations; Michael Smith: US Air Force Radar Controller; Franklin Carter: US Navy Radar Technician; Neil Daniels: United Airlines Pilot; Lt. Frederick Fox: US Navy Pilot; Captain Robert Salas: US Air Force, SAC Launch Controller; Prof. Robert Jacobs: US Air Force; Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy; James Kopf: US Navy Crypto Communications

Witness Testimony Overview

Astronaut Edgar Mitchell: May 1998; Monsignor Corrado Balducci: September 2000

Radar and Pilot Cases

FAA Division Chief John Callahan; Sgt. Chuck Sorrells: US Air Force (ret.); Mr. Michael W. Smith: US Air Force; Commander Graham Bethune: US Navy (ret.); Mr. Enrique Kolbeck: Senior Air Traffic Controller; Dr. Richard Haines; Mr. Franklin Carter: US Navy; Neil Daniels: Airline Pilot; Sgt. Robert Blazina (ret.); Lieutenant Frederick Marshall Fox: US Navy (ret.); Captain Massimo Poggi; Lt. Bob Walker: US Army; Mr. Don Bockelman: US Army

SAC/Nuke

Captain Robert Salas; Professor Robert Jacobs: Lt. US Air Force; Lt. Colonel Dwynne Arneson: US Air Force (ret.); Colonel Ross Dedrickson: US Air Force/AEC (ret.); Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy; Mr. James Kopf: US Navy/ National Security Agency; Lieutenant Colonel Joe Wojtecki, US Air Force; Staff Sergeant Stoney Campbell: US Air Force

Government Insiders/ NASA/ Deep Insiders

Astronaut Gordon Cooper; Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command; Lieutenant Colonel Charles Brown: US Air Force (ret.); Dr. Carol Rosin; âoeDr. B.â; Lance Corporal John Weygandt: U.S. Marine Corps; Major A. Filer III: U.S. Air Force; Mr. Nick Pope: British Ministry Of Defense; Admiral Lord Hill-Norton: Five-Star Admiral, Former Head of the British Ministry of Defense; Security Officer Larry Warren: United States Air Force; Captain Lori Rehfeldt; Sergeant Clifford Stone: United States Army; Major-General Vasily Alexeyev: Russian Air Force; Master Sergeant Dan Morris: US Air Force/NRO Operative (ret.); Mr. Don Phillips: Lockheed Skunkworks, USAF, and CIA Contractor; Captain Bill Uhouse: US Marine Corps (ret.); Lieutenant Colonel John Williams: US Air Force
(ret.); Mr. Don Johnson; A.H.: Boeing Aerospace, December 2000; British Police Officer Alan Godfrey; Mr. Gordon Creighton: Former British Foreign Service Official; Sergeant Karl Wolfe: US Air Force; Donna Hare: Former NASA Employee; Mr. John Maynard: Defense Intelligence Agency (ret.); Mr. Harland Bentley: US Army; Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer, ; Dr. Alfred Webre: Senior Policy Analyst Stanford Research

This is true, and the fact that some people have such a hard time believing it and how willing they are to ridicule others for even considering it just shows how skilled the tactics of those who wanted to discredit this in the eyes of the public were.

There are astronauts, governors, generals, colonels, Joint Cheifs from the Eisenhower white house and over 400 other military and government witnesses who have prepared testimoney under oath for congress (which you can view and read the transcripts from) that attests to this via the Disclosure Project.

These are people with nothing to gain and everything to lose who have come out because they are tired of the secrecy and of the fact that these technologies have been misppropriated.

I suggest that if you are truly interested in this you check out the Disclosure Project at http://www.disclosureproject.org/

Get the executive summary or the DVD or watch the download of the Natl Press Club event or download this material via your favorite file sharing method - it's not the usual UFO blurry video overproduced crap. I don't know anyone who has seen this who still doesn't believe.

You need extremely compartmentalized projects, like the Manhattan project. 100K people and most of them did not know the purpose.

Same with this topic, just hear the witnesses..

Disclosure Project:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1166743665260900218

Willing to testify before Congress under oath (15 jail time if lying..) are:

http://www.disclosureproject.org/aboutexecsumm.htm

Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command, Lt., Col. Charles Brown: US Air Force (Ret.), "Dr. B", Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt: US Marine Corps, Maj. George A. Filer, III: US Air Force (Ret.), Nick Pope: British Ministry of Defense Official, Larry Warren: US Air Force, Security Officer, Sgt. Clifford Stone: US Army, Master Sgt. Dan Morris: US Air Force, NRO Operative, A.H.: Boeing Aerospace Employee, Officer Alan Godfrey: British Police, Sgt. Karl Wolf: US Air Force, Ms. Donna Hare: NASA Employee, Mr. John Maynard: DIA Official, Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer, Glen Dennis: NM UFO Crash Witness, Sgt. Leonard Pretko: US Air Force, Dr. Roberto Pinotti: Italian UFO expert, Dr. Paul Czysz: McDonnell Douglas Career Engineer, Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, John Callahan: FAA Head of Accidents and Investigations, Michael Smith: US Air Force Radar Controller, Franklin Carter: US Navy Radar Technician, Neil Daniels: United Airlines Pilot, Lt. Frederick Fox: US Navy Pilot, Captain Robert Salas: US Air Force, SAC Launch Controller, Prof. Robert Jacobs: US Air Force, Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy, James Kopf: US Navy Crypto Communications

Witness Testimony

Astronaut Edgar Mitchell: May 1998
Monsignor Corrado Balducci: September 2000

Radar and Pilot Cases
FAA Division Chief John Callahan
Sgt. Chuck Sorrells: US Air Force (ret.)
Mr. Michael W. Smith: US Air Force
Commander Graham Bethune: US Navy (ret.)
Mr. Enrique Kolbeck: Senior Air Traffic Controller,
Dr. Richard Haines
Mr. Franklin Carter: US Navy
Neil Daniels: Airline Pilot
Sgt. Robert Blazina (ret.)
Lieutenant Frederick Marshall Fox: US Navy (ret.)
Captain Massimo Poggi
Lt. Bob Walker: US Army
Mr. Don Bockelman: US Army

SAC/Nuke
Introduction
Captain Robert Salas
Professor Robert Jacobs: Lt. US Air Force
Lt. Colonel Dwynne Arneson: US Air Force (ret.)
Colonel Ross Dedrickson: US Air Force/AEC (ret.)
Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy
Mr. James Kopf: US Navy/ National Security Agency
Lieutenant Colonel Joe Wojtecki, US Air Force
Staff Sergeant Stoney Campbell: US Air Force

Government Insiders/ NASA/ Deep Insiders
Astronaut Gordon Cooper
Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command
Lieutenant Colonel Charles Brown: US Air Force (ret.), October
Dr. Carol Rosin
ÃoeDr. B.Ã
Lance Corporal John Weygandt: U.S. Marine Corps,
Major A. Filer III: U.S. Air Force
Mr. Nick Pope: British Ministry Of Defense
Admiral Lord Hill-Norton: Five-Star Admiral, Former Head of the British Ministry of Defense

Disclosure Project:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1166743665260900218

http://www.disclosureproject.org/aboutexecsumm.htm

Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command, Lt., Col. Charles Brown: US Air Force (Ret.), "Dr. B", Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt: US Marine Corps, Maj. George A. Filer, III: US Air Force (Ret.), Nick Pope: British Ministry of Defense Official, Larry Warren: US Air Force, Security Officer, Sgt. Clifford Stone: US Army, Master Sgt. Dan Morris: US Air Force, NRO Operative, A.H.: Boeing Aerospace Employee, Officer Alan Godfrey: British Police, Sgt. Karl Wolf: US Air Force, Ms. Donna Hare: NASA Employee, Mr. John Maynard: DIA Official, Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer, Glen Dennis: NM UFO Crash Witness, Sgt. Leonard Pretko: US Air Force, Dr. Roberto Pinotti: Italian UFO expert, Dr. Paul Czysz: McDonnell Douglas Career Engineer, Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, John Callahan: FAA Head of Accidents and Investigations, Michael Smith: US Air Force Radar Controller, Franklin Carter: US Navy Radar Technician, Neil Daniels: United Airlines Pilot, Lt. Frederick Fox: US Navy Pilot, Captain Robert Salas: US Air Force, SAC Launch Controller, Prof. Robert Jacobs: US Air Force, Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy, James Kopf: US Navy Crypto Communications

Witness Testimony

Astronaut Edgar Mitchell: May 1998
Monsignor Corrado Balducci: September 2000

Radar and Pilot Cases
FAA Division Chief John Callahan
Sgt. Chuck Sorrells: US Air Force (ret.)
Mr. Michael W. Smith: US Air Force
Commander Graham Bethune: US Navy (ret.)
Mr. Enrique Kolbeck: Senior Air Traffic Controller,
Dr. Richard Haines
Mr. Franklin Carter: US Navy
Neil Daniels: Airline Pilot
Sgt. Robert Blazina (ret.)
Lieutenant Frederick Marshall Fox: US Navy (ret.)
Captain Massimo Poggi
Lt. Bob Walker: US Army
Mr. Don Bockelman: US Army

SAC/Nuke
Introduction
Captain Robert Salas
Professor Robert Jacobs: Lt. US Air Force
Lt. Colonel Dwynne Arneson: US Air Force (ret.)
Colonel Ross Dedrickson: US Air Force/AEC (ret.)
Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy
Mr. James Kopf: US Navy/ National Security Agency
Lieutenant Colonel Joe Wojtecki, US Air Force
Staff Sergeant Stoney Campbell: US Air Force

Government Insiders/ NASA/ Deep Insiders
Astronaut Gordon Cooper
Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command
Lieutenant Colonel Charles Brown: US Air Force (ret.), October
Dr. Carol Rosin
âoeDr. B.â
Lance Corporal John Weygandt: U.S. Marine Corps,
Major A. Filer III: U.S. Air Force
Mr. Nick Pope: British Ministry Of Defense
Admiral Lord Hill-Norton: Five-Star Admiral, Former Head of the British Ministry of Defense
Security Officer Larry Warren: United States Air Force,
Captain Lori Rehfeldt
Sergeant Clifford Stone: United States Army
Major-General Vasily Alexeyev: Russian Air Force,
Master Sergeant Dan Morris: US Air Force/NRO Operative (ret.)
Mr. Don Phillips: Lockheed Skunkworks, USAF, and CIA Contractor
Captain Bill Uhouse: US Marine Corps (ret.)
Lieutenant Colonel John Williams: US Air Force (ret.)
Mr. Don Johnson
A.H.: Boeing Aerospace, December 2000
British Police Officer Alan Godfrey
Mr. Gordon

SETI has been a failure because it's a deliberate cover up, just like the NASA space program. Yes, seriously.

Get the truth here: http://www.disclosureproject.org

There is a *shitload* more going on up there in space than most people ever dream of. Lets just say rocket technology belongs in the 19th century.

How much more proof does one need to understand that there is an intelligent presence in our skies?

http://www.disclosureproject.org/aboutexecsumm.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1166743665260900218

This is normally a taboo area for me as the tirades from the 'see no evil' brigade are normally more then I can stomach and aren't worth the time, however I have to say that from what I've read there's fairly significant circumstantial evidence that would imply they're already here and have been for quite some time. I don't necessarily believe that we're in contact with aliens but at the same time I can't prove otherwise. A theory has to be disproved or discredited before it can be discarded. Some of the people in the following links make some pretty big statements and the 'official' response is normally petty personal and defamatory attack which leads me to be just a little suspicious. Why deride someone when you can prove him wrong with fact? From what I've seen over the last decade regarding the BS media and outright lies from officials and governments I think if I had to I'd side with the ufoligists when it comes to trustworthiness. These are some of the best links I've found... anywayz as they say, The Truth is Out There. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=us er.viewprofile&friendid=62955347 http://www.disclosureproject.org/ http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/html/m15012/m1501228.html http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS 15-P-9625

They've visited us numerous times, and throughout our Earth's history (humans are relatively very young, and have only been around for a very small portion of time). But, for any semblance of proof, start at this non-profit organization. Then, read the hundreds of very well referenced books, talk to the thousands of witnesses, watch the videos, see the images. You can even cut out 99% of the stuff you find on the subject. Cut out the questionable sources that would make any illogical skeptic proud, and you would still have overwhelming evidences. You can even go into the in depth investigation of these by scientist doing nothing more than trying to get us closer to a truth.

There is in fact a cover-up, it's largely to blame for the missing "proof", and this has been known for decades to many of us. But, there will always be those that choose to believe that these ignorant beings are going to just fly around like bees without any regard for the humans that might be able to see them and ask "why haven't they landed in my front yard? I won't believe until then...", etc... There is far more evidence than what would be needed to prove their existence in a court of law, handily, easily, without question, over and over again. That should be good enough for most, but alas it is not.

Fermi's paradox is simply partly due to the cover-up, partly due to these beings being intelligent (don't want them to see us? no problem...), and partly due to people just not wanting to realizing the information that is out there for perusal. Nothing more...

Yeah it's almost 2 hours long, but it will blow your mind!

yawn, so will Dr. Greer's new book "Hidden Truth". Apparently, he can invite aliens to visit where ever he is on earth by Transcendental Meditation. Hell, he's been abducted by them too.

Crackpot central! Religious Agenda!

Don't believe me? Read the first two chapters here

And darn it, I thought Disclosure Project was for real. Turns out too good to be true.

Arrgghh!!

Yeah it's almost 2 hours long, but it will blow your mind!

yawn, so will Dr. Greer's new book "Hidden Truth". Apparently, he can invite aliens to visit where ever he is on earth by Transcendental Meditation. Hell, he's been abducted by them too.

Crackpot central! Religious Agenda!

Don't believe me? Read the first two chapters here

And darn it, I thought Disclosure Project was for real. Turns out too good to be true.

Arrgghh!!

He also swore an affidavit in 1993. It is very similar: http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Haut.html. These seem to be things he believed. I recall when Stanton Friedman http://www.stantonfriedman.com/ stayed as a guest at my home when I was a kid. He'd worked with my father, also a nuclear physicist, before and came to give a lecture on UFOs. He also believed what he was saying. I think you need to look for explanations that do not rely on impuning motive in some of these cases.

I'm not one to want to leave behind the delicious contemplation of the Fermi Paradox http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox, so I wait for stronger evidence, but there are many sincere people who are quite sure they've experienced something that can only be explained in this way: http://www.disclosureproject.org/.

I think Carl Jung took an interesting stab and an alternative explanation in this book: http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Saucers-C-G-Jung/dp/1 567311210/ref=sr_1_1/105-3124676-0728448?ie=UTF8&s =books&qid=1183345880&sr=1-1
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> it's all fake and made up.

NASA begs to differ...
and so do these government and military witnesses

Google for:
- Evidence: The Case For NASA UFO's
- The Disclosure Project

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Why does C++ still suck with this 'short', 'long long', and 'double' garbage??

How about:
http://ufoevidence.org/
http://www.nuforc.org/
http://disclosureproject.org/

And recently:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotiv e/columnists/chi-0701010141jan01,0,5874175.column

They did come forward:

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

So, why do you think nothing has happened?

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

These people talk alot about weaponisation* of space. It might be worth looking in to, for nothing else then another viewpoint.

*Did I get that word right?

On June 1, 2006 on the Coast to Coast radio program, Steven Greer (of the Disclosure Project) stated that a "senior official of SETI" had information about successful receipt of "multiple extraterrestrial signals."

Maybe NASA doesn't want China to expose all of the ancient ruins on the moon.

(just do ctrl+f and type "moon" to find the good parts right away)

Maybe NASA doesn't want China to expose all of the ancient ruins on the moon.

(just do ctrl+f and type "moon" to find the good parts right away)

I'd simply respond to that by pointing out to you the interesting read to be had at www.disclosureproject.org. If it's bullshit, it is at least thorough and mildly imaginative bullshit.

In this article he claims the information he found was the 'disclosure project'. This is not a secret NASA project, it is a hoax/nutjob group with thier own webpage Disclosure Project Everything this guy is saying is from the disclosure project.

Has slashdot completely jumped the shark? Not just the editors, but the readers as well. People actually makeing serious comments about some guy claiming the disclosure project is a secret nasa project?

Disclosure Project Document Gallery for more info on how your tax dollars are hard at work..

Disclosure Project - an apparently sincere site dedicated exposing the shocking truth (which does include 9/11 amongst other things) - that there is a grand plan and this is penultimate phase;

"Dr. Von Braun on his death-bed warned of such a plan. He warned us that after the Cold War, there would be 'rogue nations and nations of concern'; and that this would be followed by global terrorism; and that this would be followed by a threat from space - the ultimate trump-card of fear, whereby the entirety of humanity could be united to, as the movie 'Independence Day' put it, "kick alien butt!" "

Well, it was a crummy little conference with no one to watch it, look at the video. It was obvious that they just finally convinced an ex official and used his name to get into the headlines, to draw more attention to the subject. Thats understandable, unfortunately the old guy seemed nuttier than a bag of peanuts. But laser weapons aren't joke matterial anymore really. A simple search on popular mechanics will bring up a few examples of currently released projects http://www.popularmechanics.com/search?searchKeywo rds=Laser+Weapon&x=0&y=0. Imagine the ones they havent released. Couple that with videos of other shit like this http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/publish/articl e_2261.shtml (click on picture in middle) recorded on NASA sats and other shit like this http://www.azfamily.com/cgi-bin/video/wmPlayer.pl? title=www.azfamily.com/20040716_UFO.wmv&vsect=News . And last, but most certainly not least, check out President Eisenhowers farewell address to the nation http://www.disclosureproject.org/videogallery.htm. Fucking creepy I say.

The clincher will be when we finally get to the moon like our president says we will. What will go up first, a science lab, or a military/security installation?

> Check out TFA and read one of the three "non-government organizations":
> http://www.disclosureproject.org/

Alright, go to that site and read up on it instead of just to spout some uninformed opinion... Do you believe everything you were spoon-fed in school?

jokes aside, if you're at all serious about any of the facts that may exist back up the presumptions, check out this;

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

from their site;

"The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. We have over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret."

skeptics especially take a look. it's not all hullabaloo from backyard bumpkins with nothing better to do than make up stories about "men from the sky", rather it is testimony from people who America trusts with its defense, for example the same people who take care of nuclear weapons.

I went as far as buying the DVD and considered it to contain very honest and real testimony.

Lumping the Disclosure Project with Scientology is a fine example of how to quash critical thought on the matter of UFO's and the reality of intelligent beings in the universe. Scientology was the dream of a science fiction writer to convince the easily swayed via indoctrination of falsities for profit. Yes, there are many in the UFO field that do this too, but not the Disclosure Project. They are a nonprofit organization merely attempting to provide truth. The difference should be obvious. If "...over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret." isn't enough to even lift an eyebrow, then I would suggest reading "UFOs and the National Security State: Chronology of a Coverup, 1941-1973" by Richard M. Dolan and Jacques F. Vallee. An astounding book based merely on research of our governments own statements, documents, etc... showing that there is far more knowledge in this area than many who simply consider anyone who has done the research and realize the possibility of the reality of UFO's and the enormous impact it would have on all humanity as... "demented". That's an ignorant and very easy thing to say. Bravo. I would not consider you stupid, just ignorant. I wonder if I could do the same and do nothing more than merely call you demented for commenting on something you know nothing about and get modded up. Probably not...

Check out TFA and read one of the three "non-government organizations":

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

They're conspiracy theorists, and apparently they have followers around the world.

Let's remember that another UFO-believing group, the Church of Scientology, got famous followers like John Travolta, Tom Cruise, etc.

Cults happen.

On Wednesday, May 9th, over twenty military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses came forward at the National Press Club in Washington, DC to establish the reality of UFOs or extraterrestrial vehicles, extraterrestrial life forms, and resulting advanced energy and propulsion technologies. The weight of this first-hand testimony, along with supporting government documentation and other evidence, will establish without any doubt the reality of these phenomena, according to Dr. Steven M. Greer, director of the Disclosure Project which hosted the event.

Yes, it's obvious that this secret was not kept due to all the evidence that we have:

- http://www.ufoevidence.org/
- http://www.disclosureproject.org/
- http://www.mufon.com/

There are radar tapes, cases of jets being scambled, physical evidence, etc. That this has been denied does not make the issue go away.

It's not widely known, but nonetheless there is very strong evidence for the Nazis pursuing a range of extremely advanced technologies during the 2nd world war.

Nick Cook, highly respected aviation editor of the international defence industry's leading Janes Defence magazine put 10 years of unique and groundbreaking research into his book "The Hunt For Zero Point" (see Amazon.com), and found the Nazis to have been working on all sorts of stuff that your typical "conservative" /. reader might find wacky, but for which there is much conclusive evidence. Anti-gravity and zero-point energy were two of the prime examples.

What's more it's proven and disclosed fact that the US' Operation Paperclip at the end of the war both brought back leading Nazi scientists involved in this work to the US, employing them and giving them immunity to war crimes prosecution AND brought back technology in various stages of completion. These scientists then went on to drive the development of the atomic bomb. If you want to pursue this "line of questioning" there is also extremely strong evidence that they contributed to anti-gravity and zero-point energy research in the US, and launched black project efforts under the wing of the military industrial complex that continue to this day (and no, this is not conspiracy theory nonsense!). "Disclosure" by Dr. Steven Greer is the book to read here (Amazon.com also), or check out http://www.disclosureproject.org/

...or at least we should. If "over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret" isn't good enough, then dismiss all of these as swamp gas while you are at it.

What's the point in spending any money on a public space program when you've got a far far more advanced secret black space program?

http://www.disclosureproject.org/

In this light the budget cuts are not only sensible and necessary but go nowhere near far enough. NASA is more or less just a low tech show front diversion to keep eyes off where the real action's at. What a waste of tax payers money. Bring some of the secret program into the light and we can get on with expanding the colonisation of Mars or whatever the next step is from where we're really at right now.

Ah, secrecy - don't ya just love it?

See this. If "over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology" isn't good enough for you, then start here to research our gov's own documents, and then go here and dismiss these reports with "swamp gas" or "venus" or "a flock of birds". And lastly, read "UFOs and the National Security State", one of the very best and most referenced book on the subject using our own gov's documents once again.

This "we may contact other intelligent creatures someday" is a complete and utter farce.

The existence and anomalous nature of these craft has been known to anyone who has dared to think outside the box and recognize valid testimony (albeit unusual) for almost 60 years.

It has been testified to by countless (hundreds in fact) military officials and government authorities. The Air Force itself admitted that many craft sighted were not it's own even though they performed extremely complex aeronautical maneuevers. Please go here or here, or here if you would like to do further reading.

In case there is any question, no I am not wearing a tinfoil hat. Yes I am an aerospace engineer.

There is anecdotal evidence (look for "Caller" inthe text) that aliens are more interested in preventing the use of nuclear weapons than in provoking their use.

If they wanted to destroy us, assuming they've had centuries more time to develop technologically, wouldn't this be easy for them to do?

See this.

If "over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology" isn't good enough for you, then start here to research our gov's own documents, and then go here and dismiss these reports with "swamp gas" or "venus" or "a flock of birds". And when you're done there, pick up Richard Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State", possibly the best referenced and researched book on the subject.

This "we may contact other intelligent creatures someday" is a farce. They are here and have been for millenia.

They are here.

If "over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology" isn't good enough for you, then start hereto research our gov's own documents, and then go here and dismiss these reports with "swamp gas" or "venus" or "a flock of birds".

This "we may contact other intelligent creatures someday" is a farce. They are here and have been for millenia. SETI is merely a lightning rod for distraction, nothing more.

See this .

If "over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology" isn't good enough for you, then start here to research our gov's own documents, and then go here and dismiss these reports with "swamp gas" or "venus" or "a flock of birds".

This "we may contact other intelligent creatures someday" is a farce. They are here and have been for millenia.

See this.

If "over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology" isn't good enough for you, then start here to research our gov's own documents, and then go here and dismiss these reports with "swamp gas" or "venus" or "a flock of birds". This "we may contact other intelligent creatures someday" is a farce. They are here and have been for millenia.

Ahhh, but to believe Fermi's paradox, don't you also have to believe that we will never travel "seemingly" faster than light, and that we already aren't being visited by intelligent life?

Both of which I do not subscribe to.
Some others who may disagree with Fermi.

And for those that wish to toy with probability:

Universe is approx. 12.5 billions years old

our little planet is approx. 4.5 - 5 billions years old, relatively young

and humans have been on this planet for only approx. 200,000 years, far less time than the dinosaurs were around (150 million years compared to human's measly 200 thou). And yet, in that time we have put one of our kind on the moon.

We humans have been around for approx. 0.000016% of the age of the Universe.

Extremophiles: Life arises much easier than previously thought and the idea of life needing Earthlike conditions is quicly being proven false.

Extrasolar planets:
Current numbers show that there should be approx. 100 billion extrasolar planets in this galaxy alone. There are 100 billion galaxies.

All I'm saying is that the simple probability of intelligent life is gaining ground through the ongoing discovery of human knowledge about the universe we reside.