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See the daily Amazon.com ranking since 2003-07-22 at fff. The market for new straight to DVD episodes would be huge.

There you go:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=8&t=7387

Enjoy, Jabba The Wuss.

I'm not sure that you can map Amazon DVD sales rankings to any actual dollar amount, but Fireflyfans.net has tracked daily chart positions for the Firefly box-set and Serenity and both have been selling very well compared to movies with much better box office earnings.

I'm not sure that you can map Amazon DVD sales rankings to any actual dollar amount, but Fireflyfans.net has tracked daily chart positions for the Firefly box-set and Serenity and both have been selling very well compared to movies with much better box office earnings.

Two words: Battlestar Galactica.

Of course, Serenity was *in* BG.

see: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=15563

So does this mean we can expect Firefly to be resurrected as well?


Maybe, maybe not: Recent Whedon quotes about the future of Firefly

the Firefly http://www.fireflyfans.net/main.asp series were a blast, and the movie Serenity http://www.serenitymovie.com/ is a must be seen too! Especially since it took a different turn: no aliens, just humans in space! Nice thought pattern as it reintroduces the frontier and outlaws in space!

Well that depends. In some circles, one could argue that China and the US would inevitably join forces as a global super-power. This is exemplified in the series Firefly. It is certainly an interesting theory.

A better link, for the raw numbers used in the above chart:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/amazon.asp

Or is it coincidence that someone else used the same description of the trailer?

Try http://fireflyfans.net/feature.asp?f=42.

Just wait till I've finished downloading it :)

It's actually a bit more impressive than that even as far as the DVD sales go.

One of the fansites has an Amazon tracker. From it, we get:
-- The show sold out of preorders on Amazon in three days in July 2003, never falling out of the top ten the whole time.
-- When it came available again in September, it went straight to number 1.
-- Excepting two days, it didn't fall out of the top 100 through the next July.
-- It's never been below 400 in the rankings.

Not bad for a show which only got half a season.

For a Firefly fan, you're awfully bitter. We're getting Serenity, so calm down. Now, remember that a Fox exec admitted to mismanaging the show, which he did, so there is a strong case.

And just in case you get to thinking that I'm one of those "crappy" Whedon fans, I watched Firefly from the first airing of "The Train Job" and I've participated in every fan campaign from the Variety ad through all of the letter writing campaigns, etc.

Please, let Enterprise die an honorable death, and I will love you more!

The worst thing I felt was wrong with Enterprise was the unneccessary trip down time-travel lane... SciFi just can't seem to leave that plot device alone, and it corrupts many more stories than it helps. You start out Enterprise with this great start to a story (human kind just learning warp travel, the universe is open!), and years of canon material, and what do they do? Introduce a time-travelling war between two factions barely mentioned in the other series, and you've scrambled any hope of living up to your audience's expectations.

Battlestar Galactica has quite a different approach, an almost documentary like feel to the action. Everything has a matter-of-fact explanation (so far) with no magicks, psychics, time-travelling, quantum flux capacitors, whatever. Like Firefly, and any good science fiction story, the characters' storyline progresses outside of the science that carries it... There were some good character building episodes to Enterprise, don't get me wrong, but when you have things like the Fast Aging Clone episode, I can't put that aside. That's what I feel is the biggest difference, and why Enterprise disappoints.

..Voyager, and then Enterprise proved that the producers have completely lost their marbles, and totally lost touch with the core audience.

As soon as I heard the Enterprise opening theme, I knew it was dead.

I think trek needs to die, and stay dead for another 15 years or so. Only then will it be ready for another revival.

Such wasted effort on tripe like Enterprise, when stuff like Firefly is far more deserving.

Hank Parnell of the Texas Mercury asserts that Fox deliberately killed Firefly for political reasons. Personally, I don't think Fox's politics had anything to do with it, but his article is entertaining. The complete essay is on fireflyfans.net. I copied the most inflammatory, er, interesting, excerpts below:

They wanted to kill this show. I believe that, as surely as I do that the sun rises in the east...

The conscious patterning of the Firefly milieu on the Confederate defeat that Whedon publicly stated was the case may have not set very well in the Yankee-dominated halls of Political Correctness that rules modern America, be they "liberal" or "conservative" ("neoconservative"; again, the two are virtually indistinguishable). Firefly was an unabashed post-Civil War space Western where the losers were the good guys; and everything about the series echoed that, from the desert settings of the frontier moons and planets, the costumes, the music, even the characters' patterns of speech. We knew who these people really were. They had no slavery to fight for, only the right of self-governance...

Firefly, in its way, was, in this post 9-11 climate, almost downright seditious. The Alliance enforcers--the "bad guys"--were called "Feds." The attempt to unite and homogenize people was seen, by Firefly, as not a "good" thing; and yet it is the undeniable Zeitgeist of the modern age and behind every bit of mischief and misadventure in the world today...

Nor do most people agree with Captain Reynolds' words (as quoted by Reverend Book in the episode "War Stories"), "The government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned."...Do not think that Firefly was not drawing allusions and parallels to our own society and its attendant beliefs, or that this implicit criticism went unnoticed by the powers-that-be...

And Firefly made the case, through Reynolds, as persuasively as it has ever been made in American fiction, print, TV, film or otherwise, in my opinion, for the ultimate superiority of the rule of honor over the rule of law...For you see, the rule of honor demands what law must defer: individual responsibility, personal culpability, what is fair and what is just, of every man (and woman) who lives by it...And it is the greatest offense, the greatest affront, that Firefly could give to our vaunted modern age, and why, in my opinion, Fox never gave the show any kind of a chance.

The offical Serinity site:

http://browncoats.serenitymovie.com/serenity/?u=tu sk

And the most popular fan site:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/

You can of course buy the DVD's if you want to see this great series too, at Amazon or elsewhere.

Absolutely. Here's the run-down:

The original Fox "OB" (official board) -- the navigation on this site takes a bit of getting used to (you should immediately go to preferences and set the number of posts displayed per page to the max when you register/sign in) and you should stay out of the off-topic forum if you don't have thick skin (there are a lot of political threads and it gets very heated at times); however, this is among the oldest and largest FF communities, it's very friendly and chatty (some threads look more like IM/IRC chat logs than newsgroup threads -- say a quick hello in the infamous "Serenity Saloon" thread if you want to see what I mean) and folks like Chris Buchanan and Adam Baldwin post there (Adam mostly in the political threads; Chris mostly to announce news)

FireflyFans.net -- also one of the first FF sites, the volume is lower than the OB (although some would argue with a better S/N ratio) -- threads here stay pretty show-focused, with only an occasional political thread that is easily avoided. Includes a great "blue sun room" section for fan-created artwork, fanfic, and filk (fan lyrics)

The new official movie site forum. still getting its legs under it, and not as popular yet as the two major sites above, but it's growing (11K+ members) and they have a point earning system to win T-shirts and stuff (note my restraint in not giving you the URL that would have given me recruitment points!) ;)

Also, be sure to check out BrownCoats.com -- it's not a forum but a great resource/catalog/archive/pedia of firefly information (episode info, bloopers, costuming, history, interviews, etc.)

I had remembered reading several discussions about this on FireflyFans.net and I could have swore I read one where they said Joss admitted they made a mistake with the gun needing air to fire, but I couldn't find it. I did find this thread, though, which is still an entertaining read:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=73 9

Battlestar Galactica and Firefly had the same FX people. It was a technique that was developed for Firefly that fitted in with the camera style of the show. Quite a hard technique to do, as it involved far more work on the CGI side of things to get shots that looked correct as it was easier to arse up.

Incidentally, did you know that Serenity appears in a scene in Battlestar Galactica? ;)

http://www.fireflyfans.net/bluesunimages/3F99F4D04 A501127C11B979B1E1AEBEC.jpg

mrwonton was probably referring to the news story posted on fireflyfans.net in which Nathan Fillion is quoted as having said that if the movie does well it will come back as a trilogy, not a television series.

That said, one would not think it completely beyond the realm of possibility that if the movie was successful enough be spun off into a series of sequels, that someone might also think that good profits could be made by continuing the television show.

No. They will not continue to record the series. The movie is all thats left, unfortunately. It was a terrific series.

Let the characters have flaws, let them make mistakes. Put irony and humor into it in difficult situations. Make the leaders make difficult choices.

There is such a show. It's called Firefly.

Unfortunately, it's been cancelled, but a movie is in production.

*Rant on*
Well, let's see...could it be... fireflyfans.net? Not obvious enough for ya?

Oh wait, that was sarcasm wasn't it? hmmm... Trying to suggest that there are no firefly fans? I guess Universal's making that $50M Firefly movie for no one?

Don't try to lay the cancellation on the lack of fans. I think we've proved that we are many through the DVD set sales. A combination of Friday nights, no promotion, and airing the pilot as the final episode was why the viewership suffered.
*Rant off*

Apart from the obvious reference to the village I live in (Svista), is this some Firefly reference going on right under our noses?

For those who read slashdot, they already posted about the fact that the Firefly Movie has been greenlit.

Firefly Movie Gets The Green Light

Also check out
FireFlyFans.net for all new firefly gabbing and info.
and
Whedonesque.com for all Joss Whedon News.

It depends on who you talk too, but it seems like the general concensus over at fireflyfans.net (original discussion) is that its a single system and they dont have FTL, dont rememebr if joss said anything about it on the comentaries tho.

It depends on who you talk too, but it seems like the general concensus over at fireflyfans.net (original discussion) is that its a single system and they dont have FTL, dont rememebr if joss said anything about it on the comentaries tho.

You may want to check out the favorite one-liners thread.

Given the flurry of fan activity over Joss Weldon's last show, Firefly, and the subsequent snubbing by the other networks when they wanted someone to pick up the show... the cynic in me wouldn't be surprised if this show also fades into oblivion.

It'll be like a certain Joss Whedon Show

A much better space series....

In a surprising move, Fox sold all the property and the rights of Firefly to Universal. Fox will have nothing to do with any more TV or Movies. IMDB has Firefly in the Database with unknown status. According to some news on fireflyfans.net , all the original cast has signed on for the movie.

You are aware that Firefly is being made into a motion picture Movie and that the series will be returning to FOX with all of it's original cast, right? If not, Merry Christmas.

Firefly is a canceled science fiction program that once aired on Fox, and is now being made into a movie.

Dregonfly BSD is a fork of FreeBSD, taking a look at scalability.

Where's my promised Firefly content?

To those not in the know, Firefly's set in a future where China became one of the dominant superpowers, influential enough that all the English-speaking characters can easily communicate... well, curse anyway... in Chinese (and Serenity's system alarms are bilingual, English and Cantonese). Could be that Joss Whedon's idea for a background might not be so farfetched!

Firefly made no money to speak of as a television show.

Like I said...

I fail to see how any show that doesn't make money and gather a following in series Televsion catches the eye of movie producers.

It did gather a large following.
In fact, fans even bought an ad for the show in an industry magazine!

Not to mention that as soon as the DVD was announced for preorder it rose in the top 5 of DVD sales on amazon and they stopped accepting preorders within 24 hours because the demand exceeded the amount of DVDs they had to offer.

THAT is how they caught the eye of movie producers.

You can also go read my one and only entry in my /. journal for more info on why firefly is so loved despite its early cancellation.

The Firefly DVD set is slated for release this December. I know I'll be happy to release the 8 hours of Firefly that are stashed on my PVR drive when that DVD hits my hands. Check out FireflyFans.net for the latest Firefly news!

The scripts of the three unaried episodes were auctioned on ebay and two of them were later released by the buyer. Go grab Heart of Gold' and 'Trash'.

The scripts of the three unaried episodes were auctioned on ebay and two of them were later released by the buyer. Go grab Heart of Gold' and 'Trash'.

Like Firefly?
Recycle the old, we know it works!

Another example is such minor technology as the six-shooters that most of the character carry. Most people have been assuming its just part of the "stagecoach in space" theme. But in fact it's part of a complicated set of hard SF assumptions and interences that only a self-proclaimed geek like Joss Whedon would care about. Here's a thread on the subject.

I don't have any hard conclusions, but I noticed a few things. The info page explicitely says that they are not affiliated. "Is this site affiliated with Mutant Enemy Production or 20th Century Fox? Nope. But if you want to visit an official website, please visit The Official Firefly Website at FOX." At the bottom it also says "This website IS NOT affiliated with the Official Firefly Site, Mutant Enemy, Inc., or 20th Century Fox."

Also, it states that the site took 40 hours to develop. So in 40 hours he developed a site with full chat, community, logins, dynamic news, dynamic episode guide, and a full database of character and episode info and the whole thing is blazingly fast while being slashdotted. I'm impressed.

As for domains, advancemania.com isn't registered, but fireflyfans.net, choi.org and plzfeedme.com all have the same admin contact in Kihei, HI.

There's a heavy western/civil war feel (supposedly it's all inspired by The Killer Angels and Stagecoach), but it's not just old adventure stories in SF drag (anyone notice the similarity between Balance of Terror and The Enemy Below?). It's something new and original, and I'm looking forward to it a lot more than I ever did a Farscape ep.

This fan site has more info than does the official site, including a lot of good stills.

There's a heavy western/civil war feel (supposedly it's all inspired by The Killer Angels and Stagecoach), but it's not just old adventure stories in SF drag (anyone notice the similarity between Balance of Terror and The Enemy Below?). It's something new and original, and I'm looking forward to it a lot more than I ever did a Farscape ep.

This fan site has more info than does the official site, including a lot of good stills.