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The Windows operating system imposes one of the primary bottlenecks at this speed. As one network administrator says, "When we want to stress test our network, we use Linux, not Microsoft." His experience is that contention and file-system-overhead issues within Windows limits 1 GE desktop links to 1.25 Mbps. Even a quad-processor server peaks at 250 to 300 Mbps, with the processor at 100% usage.

Yeah I'm a snob, but at least my OS works.

....aaah true except for that last part, for what is wrong with the industry will be righted soon, for the future of the industry is just around the corner....

Followed quickly by this around the very next.

....aaah true except for that last part, for what is wrong with the industry will be righted soon, for the future of the industry is just around the corner...

Actually, your closer to the truth than you may think. The part of software development that people dont see are the versions .99-RC2, .99-RC1, .98, .97 ad nasuem... The customer gets 1.0.

There have been literaly thousands of builds of windows. Very few get shipped to the customer.

The same holds true with the linux kernel. Test kernels,Very few will ever see one of them up and running. Its that way with all software.

...that IBM must be on crack. After all, they spent all that money advertising a technology that they obviously won't be able to make any money from because it's GPL'd.

so they don't like paying for stuff...
maybe they should try.. umm.... umm..... a free alternative, that will probably run a lot of there windows 95 umm... I mean dos apps.

I've been able to play more games using dosemu than using Windows, so I assume more dos application will run under dosemu than under Windows.
Linux 1 Windows (home goal).

If there still using Windows 95, I assume that there not running all the latest apps,in which case then chances are Linux does more than they could wish for, both on the desktop and as a server.
Linux 2, Windows 0

If there still using Windows 95 changes are they don't want to shell out $200 per windows, whatever crap they chuck in suit, seat, $100 for a bit on Linux tech support and a good choice of apps may suite them a hell of a lot better.

Draw.. (It depends what package they go for as to the TCO.)

Linux 2, Windows 0

If there using old custom applications chances are they'll run fine under wine, possibly betther that they will run under windows XP or longhorn.
Linux 1 Windows (home goal).

It looks like Microsofts need for greed and glitter has caught them short with 35% of there customers, Linux could easly move in and give them a more viable upgrade path.

Yes, Linux has to improve, but it has nothing to do with "market penetration". Hell, it's not even on the market!

This is the future.. it would be nice for fields like electrical engineering, where the core material was discovered and published several hundred years ago - but you still have to pay $200 every year or so for the texts. A standard reference text that could be improved, peer reviewed, and built upon year after year would be a tremendous boon to mankind. I think of all the useless projects and questions I worked out over the years, imagine if that work went towards improving a collective body of information. Perhaps, something like another collaborative effort we know.

Yes, this won't work for everything. But things like calculus, fourier transforms, electromagnetics, classical signal processing, statics, dynamics, statistics - this is cookie cutter stuff. Should apply right through the grade schools, too. I suppose I should be thankful those things are even allowed to be taught anymore, because you can do naughty things with them. :-)

I won't tell you how mad it made me lugging close to 100lbs of books around for 5 years when if things were sane, they could be accessed either online, or via pdf files.

If anyone wants to be a patron saint - opening those materials up would potentially help a lot of people. Books are very expensive. Moreso outside of the western world.

• A List Apart (good site to read, too!)
• kernel.org

• Art and the Zen of Web Sites (good info, though)
• and everybody's favorite, Google

I would like to see Windows running on a mainframe, then I would change my judgement maybe.

These worked for me. (Posted as AC to avoid whore-accusations. :) )

These worked for me. (Posted as AC to avoid whore-accusations. :) )

It originally meant Dirty Operating System before being purchased by MS.

But why so many DOS emulators???

Mr Gates,

please stop doing this on this board.

You have your own homepage.

Thank you.

The mm-sources are based on the development-sources and contain Andrew Morton's patch set. It assembles several other patches, like ext2/3 Extended Attributes and Access Control Lists, Page Table Sharing, the Orlov Allocator, non-linear mapping behaviour, etc into one patch set.

If you really want to live on the edge and you think development-sources are for wussies, then try out mm-sources.

As for interpretation of all this (e.g. do I want these patches?), beats the fuck out of me.

Sorry, bad link above

Here's a good link

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/Change Log-2.6.7

AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE!

While I like Linux and use it in some situations, I can tell you for sure that most distributions are far from competing with OpenBSD in terms of safety. You are right in saying that OpenBSD has a lot less resources than Linux, but they use their resources in a far more focused way.

• Yes, there are 3rd party patches which hack many anti-buffer overflow protections into the Linux kernel, similar to what OpenBSD has.

• Yes, there is a stateful firewall for Linux.

• Yes, there is ipv6 support for Linux.

But OpenBSD takes all of these things, which under Linux can be half baked and kludged, and packages them together as a polished, stable end product. Their PF work is quite frankly amazing. The features and documentation are unbeatable. Checkpoint and Cisco, watch out!

The key difference between GNU/Linux and the various BSDs is integration. The BSDs assure you that the various things will play together properly. Features are added more conservatively, but they are going to work. The system as a whole is stable.

You know that for example the buffer overflow protections are not going to break half your userland applications, because it has been thouroughly tested on the system as a whole. Some example results of this:

• You know that the packet filter will play nice with the IPv6 subsystem.
• You know that Systrace will work on an SMP kernel.

You also don't get silly things like stable kernels which corrupt your filesystem or ripping out the virtual memory subsystem in a stable kernel and completely changing it.

All these things are very nice when you are running serious production servers.

Linux can perform a large number of roles adequately.

OpenBSD can perform a smaller number of roles excellently

These will probably work fine in thin clients connected to a server running a stable, multitasking, multi-user OS. Actually, they may even be overkill for that.

Imagine a tiny motherboard using one of these with a basic amount of soldered-in RAM, on-board video and NIC, and an on-board boot flash containing LTSP. Voila, a compact, cheap license-free, diskless, plug-and-play, workstation! How's that for putting Linux on the desktop?

An open hardware project, anyone?

Does this irk anyone else as much as it does me?

I wouldn't advise looking at the latest Linux Kernel releases, then. Both the 2.2 and 2.4 branches are at 2.x.26 at the moment.
Not only using two-digit numbers after the dot, but actually having 2 dots.

I guess it just requires adjusting to the fact that software-versioning although looking like a decimal number, often isn't a decimal number and therefore can't really be parsed as same.

Look at the various "geek issues"... it's all about doing whatever they want with no responsibility or cost. Downloading music for free. Downloading software for free.

P.S. We're currently looking for couriers, so if you've got mad bandwidth then apply within!

Look at the various "geek issues"... it's all about doing whatever they want with no responsibility or cost. Downloading music for free. Downloading software for free.

P.S. We're currently looking for couriers, so if you've got mad bandwidth then apply within!

But the kernel already has a central bugzilla: bugzilla.kernel.org

Dating back to when linux (the kernel) didn't even have a version number, code was always attributed to where it came from. I'm sure everyone is familiar with at least the changelog and its attributions. And of course actual comments with names and email addresses are all over the sourcecode itself.

Now, Mr. McKusick might have a partial point. Its entirely possible that some gremlin over at Caldera took a bunch of SCO's 'Intelectual' Property and threw it into the main kernel under the GPL. In which case once the lines of code are actually identified, I suspect we will know who contributed them in under 20 minutes (10 minutes of which will be the article sitting on /. in The Mysterious Future!) In the unlikely event of SCO ever saying which lines are thiers, we may end up with the interesting situation where a Caldera/SCO employee put them there - and get to slap SCO for abusing the legal system.

In any event, I'd be willing to put money on Linux's source code source documentation beating SCO's out any day of the week.

--Here you go:

Kernel Traffic

Linux Weekly News

Linux Kernel Mailing List Digest (from google, not tested by me)

--Try and find a site that details the inner workings of the NT kernel, on a weekly or any regular basis -- really -- I dare ya. If you can *find* the date on the NT kernel file, compare it with the downloadable kernels that you can find here:

Kernel.Org

oh, dont worry, I'll just haxx0r your lunix machine with my linux machine via DDoS

No, no, it was just that Linus had really boring at school, so he hacked to the M$ network and stole this and related files from their labs, and put his name and street address under it.

It should have become the kernel of their new, more advanced version of Windows, but as the code was leaked they decided to abandon it, blamed the leakage to its head developer and fired him - some guy called Stallman - and hired Cutler to his place.

This was a brief history of Windows NT and Linux, and an explanaition why Windows sucks and Linux rocks today. Stallman, on the other hand, felt pissed and took the lead of certain miserable and insignificant foundation called FSF, which developed viral licenses to communistic IP-dishonoring hippies, and later on claimed himself its founder.

By they way, I also heard recently that Linus' file in Finnish citizenship registry keeps magically getting erased at random times ever since the said registry was moved to run on .NET platform.

But now you have to excuse me, as I'm out of crack and my hands are shaking too badly.

I've heard for some time about how IBM is supporting Linux. But the 2.6.5->2.6.6 changelog really drove the point home, to me. It's amazing to see how much stevef@stevef95.austin.ibm.com has contributed, probably on IBM's nickel. :-) Keep it up, IBM.

Here's a DNS RR: ftp://ftp.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6. If you're in some other country feel free to replace the .us with your own country code, but there are probably enough mirrors in the country code to go around. Be sure to check the signatures of course :)

New 2.4 versions appeared quite quickly as well in the early days. See the dates in the file listing. It just needs some time to mature...

I have to say that 2.6.5 seems to be quite okay on my home server already. I wouldn't even think about running it on a colocated server (ie one with an unreachable reset-button and a certain level of importance) though. Just because of my experiences with other early kernels...

Can't help you on the build time, but this will save you time on the download, seeing as you already have the 2.6.5 source;

http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/

patch-2.6.6.bz2 09-May-2004 20:18 2.4M

Hmm. Maybe Apple ? Because, you know, there is no company called 'Mac' that creates operating systems, or applications. mac.com is a portal for .Mac.

And you can't really list a website for Linux, short of kernel.org. Maybe DistroWatch.

I'm in the processing of mirroring the updated iso now, but I've made the first livecd iso available at http://mirrors.kernel.org/suse/i386/live-cd-9.1/

You can get it via ftp, http, or rsync. The -01 cd will take about an hour from the time this message is posted to appear.

Enjoy! Note that we don't currently actively mirror SuSE so there's a large chance that this area will bitrot later since I'm manually making this available.

-- Nathan Laredo

Here's the URL's to some other updates that'll "patch" things up:

• Apple
• FreeBSD
• Linux

Enjoy!

Get your patch for MacOSX here.

oh and here..

oh and here.. and here...oh and over there!

Yes, because no-one is going to make things if other people can just take a copy without paying.

• does run Linux
  
  
• proofs that Mirosoft is making bad software
  
  
• shows how stealing intellectual property simply cannot be wrong ("Actually, it is not stealing") because every fucking idiot does it
  
  
• assumes that any law preventing child molesters from distributing their filthy shit is an attack on Free Speech
  
  
• promotes homosexual, interracial or interspecial cohibitation
  

Used PAM to login to a Linux box lately? PAM comes from Sun.

Some of it comes with the base debian install:

GCC,G++
<flamewar>vim/emacs</flamewar>
links-ssl/curl-ssl-wget
ssh
Perl

Then a whole lotta debs for Gnome/KDE...

Then the actual desktop GUI:
GDM
IceWM
Idesk
Endeavour 2


Then the base apps
Anjuta (C++ IDE)
Gedit Notepad
Mplayer + plugins
XMMS + plugins
ALSA framework
Frozen Bubble!
the GIMP
Open Office
Thunderbird+Firefox
GAIM
Gnome-meeting

And the latest 2.6.x kernel

I've created a CD which will give you all the above in one disk. Automatic installations. Just create a linux/swap partition, and it will install to the largest available 'nix partition, also adding any windows partitions to the lilo.conf

ALSA Sound support is ready (though you must edit /etc/modules with whatever soundcard module you have)

X GUI starts in SVGA mode (best to xf86config and choose your GUI)
USB mouse support through /dev/input/mice

I'm considering putting it up online, but at about 620MB for the ISO I'd need some decent hosting space for that. So far we're using it at work to convert windows desktops to dual-boot... it's XP themes so the windows lusers can figure it out rather easily.

It's also configured to build the base menu structure when a user logs in... and idesk will mount a CD+browse with endeavour on doubleclick, or unmount+eject on a right-click.

Never read any kernel changelogs, eh? Look at the very last line on this one.
I'd say Linus is very open, especially posting his open letters to SCO awhile back.

GT3 is not free software as in free speech unless you write on Linux.
... or Mac.

I don't comment about the "everyone" thing, but can you point out some big OS projects on Windows? Anything as big as KDE? I can't remember, but please tell me some big projects and communities if there's such. Do they do cross-platform stuff too?

QT is not free as in speech or free as in beer. So what do you mean with free? Isn't Linux kernel free as it isn't licensed under BSD/LPGL license as you're trying to tell me or what?

I am sure that before I have finished writing this comment many people will have already suggested GNUWin, TheOpenCD, Knoppix, Morphix, Dyne:bolic, Debian and GNU CDs but instead of jumping on the bandwagon and posting links to them (even though with no doubt those are great examples of software which every library should definitely have) I will suggest including some software which is less popular but which students might learn much more from (and in the end, is that not the whole purpose of a library?), id est: Debian GNU/Hurd, OpenBSD and EROS. Lots of useful software one can buy with a magazine, but these systems are much harder to find, while much more revolutionary and unquestionably invaluable if we want people to actually learn something important instead of only "clicking" the mouse. It is also very important to note that these systems would introduce students to real security, something which is hard to find and understand, yet even much harder to overestimate in the terrorism era and the invasion of our privacy with things like NSAKEY in Windows and NSAttributedString in Mac OS X. That is why I think that actively promoting them in every library would be the most insightful idea.

diff -urN linux-2.4.25/mm/mremap.c linux-2.4.26/mm/mremap.c
--- linux-2.4.25/mm/mremap.c 2004-02-18 05:36:32.000000000 -0800
+++ linux-2.4.26/mm/mremap.c 2004-04-14 06:05:41.000000000 -0700
@@ -77,12 +77,16 @@
static int move_one_page(struct mm_struct *mm, unsigned long old_addr, unsigned long new_addr)
{
int error = 0;
- pte_t * src;
+ pte_t * src, * dst;

spin_lock(&mm->page_table_lock);
src = get_one_pte(mm, old_addr);
- if (src)
- error = copy_one_pte(mm, src, alloc_one_pte(mm, new_addr));
+ if (src) {
+ dst = alloc_one_pte(mm, new_addr);
+ src = get_one_pte(mm, old_addr);
+ if (src)
+ error = copy_one_pte(mm, src, dst);
+ }
spin_unlock(&mm->page_table_lock);
return error;
}

When the kernel.org bandwidth meter maxes out.

See this bug. I have the same PDC20265 hardware and had constant crashes until I read this bug and downgraded to 2.4.

Just install the patch. kernel.org/.../patch-2.4.26.bz2

why don't we have a team ... telling MS what to do?

We do, they're located here, here, and here

But why couldnt they squeeze in 2.6.4 at the time they were getting ready to relese the ISOs'? I used to be a Mandrake user, but I got sick of the fact that once you install, there are no easely automated ways to update yoyr software. I use Gentoo, primarily because I think portage (I also use FreeBSD ;)) is the best thing since sliced bread. I also have the 2.6.5 kernel thanks to portage, and USB 2 support is better then ever.

I really think Mandrake, LLC (or what is it?) should concider using a different package/software manager in future releases. This gentoo forums post even describes how to install the superb portage on other distros.

Anyway, someone feel free to correct me or mod me down.

I know a guy who pronounces it both ways...and he's a Debian developer.

On the other hand, "I pronounce leenux leenux." ;)

I just heard about this Linux thing. I really think it has potential. You should check it out.

What they do need: 1) ftp-able ISOs. No jigdo crap.

You mean like this one, or would you prefer a different mirror.

2) Recent updates. Something from the 21st century would be nice.

Well, could be wrong, but looks like gnome 2.6.0 packages began appearing on 3/27 for x86, and yesterday for power pc. How much more recent do you want? (does any other distro have gnome 2.6 yet?)

Debian's "stable" is positively ancient.

True, and I'm not happy about it either. But as I understand it consensus last summer was to wait on the new installer. Holdup seems to be getting folks to test it on all the different platforms Debian supports. Meanwhile Debian's "testing" is more stable than most folks releases; hell, so's their "unstable" for that matter.

Last I read Debian hopes to release "Sarge" this summer. You can help that happen by testing the installer.